[08:33] <dpm> good morning all
[08:34] <andrejz> good morning dpm
[08:35] <andrejz> just writing a blog post about slovenian translation marathon. It should appear on ubuntu planet soon ;)
[08:38] <dpm> hey andrejz, cool, :-)
[08:41] <head_victim> Question, if you're translating on launchpad itself, you have multiple people working on the same package or does that confuse launchpad? I want to attack a package (firefox) that has a large number of strings to be translated wiht a few people all at once but don't want to kill it
[08:42] <dpm> head_victim, no, that doesn't confuse LP, but it might confuse humans :-) You might want to coordinate with the few people who are doing it
[08:42] <andrejz> head_victim
[08:43] <andrejz> just be sure you are not working on the same strings, that's it
[08:43] <andrejz> someone can work on strings 0-100, other on 100-200 and so on
[08:44] <head_victim> andrejz: so that's not automatically taken care of by launchpad when you pick "untranslated"?
[08:44] <head_victim> dpm: part of a translation jam ;)
[08:45] <andrejz> yes, but if too people work on the same strings at the same time they might overwrite other person's work
[08:45] <head_victim> andrejz: ah ok I might just spread them out then to be safe
[08:46] <andrejz> for example if i choose untrasnlated firefox strings
[08:46] <head_victim> This one will be more about just showing people how easy it is to do so they can go off and do it themselves.
[08:46] <andrejz> launchpad will show me fist 10 untranslated strings in firefox
[08:46] <andrejz> if anyone else click's on the same link, they will see the same 10 strings
[08:47] <head_victim> Ah I was hoping that those 10 strings would somehow have been "allocated" so that the next person would automatically get a new set of strings
[08:48] <andrejz> no it doesn't work like that automatically AFAIK
[08:48] <head_victim> No worries, glad I checked now :)
[08:48] <andrejz> only after you click save and continue button strings will be marked as translated
[08:48] <head_victim> That makes sense
[09:00] <andrejz> there it is - http://ubuntu-slovenija.blogspot.com/2011/03/schedule-for-slovenian-translation.html
[09:05] <dpm> andrejz, http://www.facebook.com/ubuntu.translators :-)
[09:06] <dpm> andrejz, head_victim, you can work concurrently in Launchpad, the only thing is that you'll have to refresh the browser to see the other people's translations if they've done them after you've loaded a page
[12:22] <artnay> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/746374 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/746370 can you find more? :-)
[12:22] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 746374 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Translation difficulties with %(service_name)s variable (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:06] <artnay> shoudn't rosetta refrain from overwriting translations done in launchpad when doing upstream importing?
[13:06] <artnay> dpm:
[13:07] <dpm> artnay, in general yes. If that's not the case, I'd suggest filing a bug or talking to henninge on the #launchpad channel
[13:14] <artnay> dpm: are some tags used for natty translation(s) in bug reports?
[13:15] <artnay> ie. natty-i18n
[13:15] <artnay> not just natty but a release
[13:16] <artnay> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/746397
[13:16] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 746397 in ubuntu-sso-client "Missing translation when unknown user tries to do a review in software-center (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:16] <artnay> 3rd translation bug report from today...
[13:16] <dpm> artnay, you don't need to add tags. Just add a bug task for the ubuntu-translations project (btw, good work testing translations and filing reports! :)
[13:16] <artnay> I mean, if there was some tag which would be recommended for translators to use, it would be easier to track translation bugs
[13:18] <dpm> artnay, yeah, that's what we do in the ubuntu-translations project in LP. If you add a bug task for it (use the "Also affects project" link on a bug report), we can keep track of them in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/
[13:18] <artnay> dpm: yeah, done it before
[13:18] <artnay> my gripe is the UI
[13:19] <dpm> what UI?
[13:19] <artnay> try to add ubuntu-translations without knowing the exact wording
[13:19] <artnay> eg. click the also affects... winnnnnnnno
[13:19] <artnay> damn logitech...
[13:19] <dpm> artnay, yeah, but you do know the exact wording now ;-)
[13:20] <artnay> if I write "translation", "translators" or something, I'll get more than 11 pages of results and none of them is ubuntu-translations
[13:20] <artnay> even though I search for "ubuntu-translations" :-)
[13:22] <artnay> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1011999/err-where-is-it.png that's what I mean
[13:23] <artnay> those are the actual results for "ubuntu-translations"
[13:25] <artnay> "is there a bug for that?" :-)
[13:26] <artnay> could +1 for it
[13:26] <dpm> artnay, there might be, probably at https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad
[13:28] <artnay> here you go https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/471328
[13:28] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 471328 in launchpad "Also affects search error - too many matches (affects: 8) (dups: 3) (heat: 7)" [High,Triaged]
[13:29] <artnay> well, it's not 1:1 but related
[13:31] <artnay> seems like all fixes in libwnck have been overwritten by upstream importing - fixes done in rosetta aren't even suggested
[13:34] <dpm> artnay, please file a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug and add a task for ubuntu-translations, that's the only way we cant track this
[13:35] <artnay> dpm: sure, I actually was just looking for henninge first
[13:36] <artnay> and crying out loud here just to inform other translators and maybe to receive "+1" :-)
[13:36] <artnay> hi henninge, I was looking for you at #launchpad
[13:37] <henninge> artnay: Hi!
[13:38] <artnay> henninge: so, umh, many translations which were fixed in rosetta have been overwritten by upstream imports. the overwritten fixes aren't even suggested anymore.
[13:39] <artnay> upstream is kind of picky when it comes to Launchpad translations... hence not all fixes have been taken into upstream
[13:39] <henninge> artnay: which project is that?
[13:39] <artnay> henninge: for example https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/libwnck/+pots/libwnck/fi/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=ty%C3%B6tila
[13:40] <artnay> Current workspace: "%s"
[13:40] <artnay> it was just a few minutes ago wrongly translated (by upstream, Suggested by Pauli Virtanen on 2007-08-20)
[13:40] <artnay> then I fixed it 8 minutes ago
[13:40] <artnay> and it shows as Translated by Jiri Grönroos on 2010-03-23
[13:40] <artnay> and that wasn't even suggested 8 minutes ago
[13:41] <artnay> so Launchpad somehow remembers I've fixed it, forgots it (and overwrites) during upstream importing
[13:41] <artnay> now as I fixed it (once again) after upstream importing, I've "reviewed" the non-existent suggestion
[13:42] <artnay> hopefully you understood a bit :-)
[13:42] <henninge> artnay: yes, old strings are remembered and re-activated when they are entered again.
[13:42] <artnay> henninge: shouldn't Launchpad refrain from overwriting?
[13:42] <henninge> artnay: I am checking right now why it does that.
[13:43] <artnay> henninge: great, thanks. I'm able to give you more examples as I find them
[13:47] <artnay> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-panel/+pots/gnome-panel-2.0/fi/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=napsauttamalla+t%C3%A4t%C3%A4 that's another example. #176 was changed during maverick cycle but it has been overwritten by upstream import. no suggestion(s) visible.
[13:49] <henninge> artnay: can you re-enter your translation on that one, please? I just cleared the translation to try something.
[13:49] <henninge> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-panel/+pots/gnome-panel-2.0/fi/176/+translate
[13:51] <artnay> henninge: maybe I can't remember the exact wording since LP tells me "translated/reviewed 1 min ago"
[13:51] <artnay> exact wording from maverick cycle, I mean
[13:54] <artnay> henninge: so it has been changed now. can you somehow force/schedule upstream importing for Finnish gnome-panel-2.0 / libwnck so we'll see what happens
[13:55] <artnay> I could file a bug about it and get back in touch after the next import (if the problem still persists)
[13:56] <henninge> artnay: Are you sure taht the translation was overwritten *today* or did you only notice it today?
[13:57] <artnay> henninge: never said anything about today. I guess it has been overwritten earlier, not today
 it was just a few minutes ago wrongly translated (by upstream, Suggested by Pauli Virtanen on 2007-08-20)
[13:58] <artnay> I'm on ati and need fglrx (powersaving), that's why I'm late testing natty.
[13:58] <artnay> henninge: yes, I meant it was translated that way (from 2007) and only changed a few minutes ago by me
[13:59] <henninge> ah, I see
[13:59] <henninge> artnay: https://translations.qastaging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/libwnck/+pots/libwnck/fi/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=ty%C3%B6tila
[13:59] <henninge> artnay: Looks like it was overwritten in January.
[14:00] <henninge> (qastaging has a slightly older database)
[14:00] <henninge> artnay: we had a but that caused that in January.
[14:00] <henninge> See dpm's mails to the translators list.
[14:01] <artnay> henninge: ok, good catch. I guess the problem has been solved (for now). thank you for co-operation.
[14:01] <artnay> didn't know about qastaging