| pleia2 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/746111 | 00:23 |
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| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 746111 in Xubuntu Website "Xubuntu website has incorrect hardware requirement information" [Low,New] | 00:23 |
| pleia2 | should I just s/192/256 on the site? | 00:23 |
| pleia2 | http://xubuntu.org/getubuntu | 00:23 |
| knome | s/256/512/ s/192/256/ s/128/192/ | 00:24 |
| pleia2 | sounds good to me | 00:24 |
| knome | let's go for that for now, and rethink that after natty | 00:24 |
| pleia2 | ok | 00:24 |
| knome | imo | 00:24 |
| knome | we probably need to rethink most of the texts in the website anyway with the new site, so this can wait for that as well | 00:25 |
| * pleia2 nods | 00:26 | |
| pleia2 | ok, updated the ticket so we know what the original text was, and fix committed | 00:28 |
| pleia2 | thanks knome :) | 00:28 |
| knome | no problem | 00:28 |
| pleia2 | s/committed/released! | 00:28 |
| knome | hihi | 00:29 |
| knome | pleia2, btw | 00:33 |
| knome | the site says "Visit the Fridge" | 00:33 |
| knome | but that's called the ubuntu news... | 00:33 |
| pleia2 | fridge is having an identity crisis | 00:33 |
| knome | heh | 00:33 |
| knome | x) | 00:33 |
| knome | okay.. | 00:33 |
| knome | you probably knew, but the shot at "What is Xubuntu?" is QUITE old | 00:34 |
| pleia2 | yeah, if someone wants to screenshot a maverick I'd be happy to put it up | 00:35 |
| knome | heh | 00:35 |
| knome | does it need to be default layout? :P | 00:35 |
| pleia2 | yeah, that's why I haven't done it yet :) | 00:36 |
| knome | yeah.. | 00:36 |
| pleia2 | I should just toss it on a vm real quick, but I r teh lazy | 00:36 |
| pleia2 | lemme make a bug and then it will annoy me enough to do it | 00:36 |
| knome | well, we'll get to change that image as well ;) | 00:36 |
| knome | haha, well okay, if that makes you do it | 00:36 |
| knome | we need to take new shots when natty is released anyway | 00:36 |
| knome | so is it worth it? | 00:36 |
| * pleia2 shrugs | 00:37 | |
| pleia2 | I think there are a few other screenshots on the site, I should really just go through the whole thing and inventory | 00:37 |
| knome | yeah | 00:38 |
| knome | there are quite a meny | 00:38 |
| knome | *many | 00:38 |
| pleia2 | plus it'll give me a list for every release when we need to go screenshot happy | 00:38 |
| knome | unless we add/remove shots :) | 00:38 |
| pleia2 | oh, thoughts on making our wiki less eye-bleeding? | 00:39 |
| knome | our wiki? | 00:39 |
| pleia2 | wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | 00:39 |
| knome | right, that | 00:39 |
| pleia2 | I'm thinking just making all the blocks light blue | 00:39 |
| pleia2 | the first one is ok, the other 3 are :( | 00:39 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Toolbox/MenuNew | 00:39 |
| knome | that's an idea. | 00:40 |
| pleia2 | orange on dark blue is hard to read | 00:40 |
| pleia2 | actually I guess dark blue is ok, it's that medium blue that's the trouble | 00:40 |
| pleia2 | I like that though, aside from the middle one | 00:41 |
| knome | i know, but the colors are pretty easy to change | 00:41 |
| knome | well, the non-link colors | 00:41 |
| * pleia2 nods | 00:41 | |
| pleia2 | charlie-tca does such a good job at keeping our meeting notes up to date | 00:42 |
| * knome tries not to giggle and burst to tears at the same time | 00:43 | |
| knome | btw, the new smiley's at the wiki are awful | 00:43 |
| pleia2 | the new branding ones? | 00:44 |
| knome | yeah | 00:44 |
| pleia2 | hm, they are worse than I remember | 00:45 |
| knome | yeah | 00:45 |
| knome | ! | 00:45 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Toolbox/MenuNew | 00:45 |
| pleia2 | oh, nice | 00:46 |
| pleia2 | ok, I'll poke some people about putting that one in | 00:47 |
| pleia2 | my eyes will be so much happier | 00:47 |
| knome | heh | 00:47 |
| knome | can't we just put that in right now? | 00:47 |
| pleia2 | I dunno, I don't want to upset anyone :) | 00:47 |
| knome | hah | 00:47 |
| knome | i want to | 00:48 |
| knome | ;] | 00:48 |
| pleia2 | upset people? | 00:48 |
| pleia2 | hehhe :P | 00:48 |
| knome | no i mean, it's an improvement for everybody | 00:48 |
| pleia2 | yeah, ok, it's a wiki, we can revert if there are protests in the street | 00:48 |
| pleia2 | it looks good and is readable, unlike now | 00:48 |
| knome | in the street? i ain't going outside, so no worries, but if they come in... | 00:48 |
| pleia2 | haha | 00:49 |
| pleia2 | yay! | 00:49 |
| knome | well yeah | 00:49 |
| pleia2 | that looks very good knome, thank you :) | 00:50 |
| knome | i know we have the governance where everything goes through charlie-tca, but that takes a long time, and i actually showed that to charlie already and the only concern was the colors | 00:50 |
| pleia2 | ah good | 00:50 |
| knome | i think we need some padding | 00:51 |
| knome | i added some padding | 00:56 |
| knome | should look more clean now, the wiki header | 00:56 |
| pleia2 | yeah that's good | 00:57 |
| knome | i think i'll hit the bed now | 00:59 |
| pleia2 | night knome :) | 00:59 |
| knome | 3am, and i'm planning to go to city @noon tomorrow | 00:59 |
| pleia2 | good luck | 00:59 |
| knome | night, and have a nice day! | 00:59 |
| charlie-tca | back from dinner | 01:00 |
| pleia2 | wb charlie-tca | 01:00 |
| charlie-tca | pleia2: can we use natty screenshots on the website, we are only 4 weeks from release now | 01:01 |
| pleia2 | charlie-tca: ok, maybe from the natty beta1 tomorrow? | 01:01 |
| pleia2 | I'll toss up a VM and get screenshotting | 01:01 |
| pleia2 | or just wait until release | 01:01 |
| charlie-tca | sure | 01:01 |
| charlie-tca | I can do a hardware install and screenshot it if you want | 01:01 |
| pleia2 | yeah, that works too :) | 01:02 |
| charlie-tca | I don't have one handy, my last installs were for Ubuntu | 01:02 |
| pleia2 | I need to toss up a beta1 vm this week to make sure I'm ready for the jam this weekend anyway | 01:02 |
| charlie-tca | I think I did about 16 sat and sun, and another 8 or 10 today | 01:03 |
| pleia2 | nice :) | 01:03 |
| Aquina | 'o | 10:17 |
| charlie-tca | Good morning | 14:43 |
| charlie-tca | Do we want to do any blueprints for UDS this time? | 14:43 |
| charlie-tca | cut off for them is May 5 | 14:43 |
| ochosi | sry, i'm not really sure i know what the blueprints are about/good for, could you elaborate a bit? | 14:45 |
| charlie-tca | they are what is normally used to decide all the major changes for each release | 14:45 |
| charlie-tca | UDS is a place to take the blueprints, discuss them, and make the decisions. That way things get decided within the first month and the blueprint gives the plan to implement the changes | 14:46 |
| ochosi | but you're talking about xubuntu specific blueprints in our case, right? | 14:46 |
| charlie-tca | right | 14:47 |
| ochosi | do you think anyone will care about those at UDS? | 14:47 |
| mr_pouit | no ;D | 14:47 |
| charlie-tca | Instead of waiting to discuss the changes in meetings and then the ML, we could blueprint it and track it easier, maybe | 14:47 |
| charlie-tca | I was asked last time if there were any xubuntu sessions | 14:47 |
| ochosi | right | 14:47 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: are you going to UDS? | 14:48 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: you going to UDS this time or is that just not your thing? | 14:48 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: hopefully, yes. as QA | 14:48 |
| ochosi | k | 14:48 |
| charlie-tca | I go for the QA stuff, accessibility, and then try to keep things from running Xubuntu over in the process | 14:49 |
| charlie-tca | There has been at least one change at two UDS | 14:49 |
| ochosi | yes? | 14:49 |
| charlie-tca | that did not take place that would have adversely affected us | 14:50 |
| ochosi | what was that change? | 14:50 |
| charlie-tca | Sure, ask me that | 14:50 |
| mr_pouit | no, I don't go to UDS, as I don't know what I could do there :} | 14:51 |
| charlie-tca | 40 sessions + each UDS, my brain doesn't remember details well. I just remember getting my side of it in | 14:51 |
| charlie-tca | this will be my second in-person UDS. | 14:51 |
| ochosi | i'm just wondering what we would gain from UDS (apart from opinions/feedback of ubuntu people) especially if we have to implement the changes we want ourselves anyway | 14:52 |
| charlie-tca | I can understand that, mr_pouit . Unless we pushed all the Xubuntu changes through the blueprints, it doesn't affect Xubuntu as a project so much | 14:52 |
| charlie-tca | That would depend on how many of us got there, too | 14:53 |
| ochosi | mmh | 14:53 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: moreover, we don't want to control the xfce development, and don't want to overpatch everything ;> | 14:53 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: completely agree with you on that. if there were a xfce-DS that might make more sense for us :) | 14:54 |
| charlie-tca | I would like to see us get rid of more gnome dependencies if possible. Also, I stll want midori ;-) | 14:54 |
| ochosi | yes, more xfce-apps would be cool | 14:55 |
| charlie-tca | I fear we will see more dependencies as Xfce incorporates accessibility into 4.10 | 14:55 |
| ochosi | actually one thing i would really love to see is some alternative to xscreensaver | 14:55 |
| charlie-tca | It is better then gnome-screensaver in actual use. What else do we have to pick from? | 14:56 |
| ochosi | not sure there's much else tbh | 14:56 |
| ochosi | my search has mainly turned up those two | 14:57 |
| ochosi | and iirc mr_pouit said that gnome-screensaver has gained a few really bad dependencies | 14:57 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 14:57 |
| charlie-tca | Changes were made to the wiki last night. | 14:57 |
| ochosi | so actually it doesn't seem like we have a choice | 14:57 |
| charlie-tca | Has anyone noticed? | 14:57 |
| ochosi | not yet | 14:57 |
| ochosi | xubuntu wiki? | 14:57 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 14:58 |
| ochosi | or generally the ubuntu wiki | 14:58 |
| ochosi | right | 14:58 |
| charlie-tca | header | 14:58 |
| ochosi | let me have a look | 14:58 |
| charlie-tca | I don't use the default theme, and it fails bad now | 14:58 |
| charlie-tca | Borders are around the boxes, and show up in "rightsidebar" theme, at least | 14:58 |
| ochosi | it feels a bit snappier | 14:59 |
| charlie-tca | Works a little better as far as colors with the orange, in the default theme | 15:00 |
| charlie-tca | but it feels like a work in progress, if it won't work with other themes besides the default | 15:01 |
| ochosi | mhm | 15:01 |
| ochosi | i'll try to switch themes now (was using "ubuntu" before) | 15:02 |
| charlie-tca | http://imagebin.org/145887 is what I get now | 15:04 |
| ochosi | yeah, looks kinda odd | 15:04 |
| charlie-tca | It doesn't fit the page, borders should not be there, and under Contribute, the links run together bad | 15:04 |
| ochosi | the light theme seems to work ok | 15:05 |
| ochosi | at least better than most other themes | 15:05 |
| charlie-tca | We need to find a way to make the links separate, on all the themes | 15:05 |
| charlie-tca | I kind of like the table under xubuntu, but it too looks wrong, with the extra little column on the end | 15:06 |
| ochosi | yes, that's definitely not nice code | 15:06 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: what do you think of just collecting ideas for natty+1 internally somewhere instead of UDS blueprints? (maybe even on a wiki-page) | 15:08 |
| ochosi | you can still discuss the things that are ready by UDS with the people there and get feedback | 15:08 |
| charlie-tca | Kind of like adding something to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap, either directly on the page or an additional draft page? | 15:09 |
| charlie-tca | I don't think I can ever learn to spell owneyerick correctly, though | 15:09 |
| ochosi | :) | 15:10 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: maybe it's a good idea to start with a rather blank page and move the items that have been discussed somehow to the roadmap page | 15:10 |
| ochosi | that way there would be some intermediary step to help us distinguish between "approved"/"discussed" items and proposed items | 15:11 |
| charlie-tca | damn, too slow typing. I agree | 15:11 |
| ochosi | ok cool | 15:11 |
| charlie-tca | We could add an O page and start in | 15:11 |
| ochosi | good | 15:11 |
| ochosi | i already have a few ideas for greybird, and maybe we can add a list of apps we' | 15:12 |
| charlie-tca | Will you do that, with a link off the Roadmap page? | 15:12 |
| ochosi | d like to review for oneiric as well | 15:12 |
| ochosi | yeah, good idea | 15:12 |
| charlie-tca | Great! Thanks | 15:12 |
| charlie-tca | I give up putting in claws-mail, it just doesn't have the user interface, unless we consider our users advanced. | 15:13 |
| ochosi | yeah, i agree | 15:13 |
| ochosi | maybe we can review postler for oneiric | 15:13 |
| ochosi | the development has been steady there lately | 15:13 |
| charlie-tca | What is it? | 15:13 |
| ochosi | it's a pretty simplistic mail-client (same dev as midori) | 15:13 |
| charlie-tca | Really? I will go find it then and look at it | 15:14 |
| ochosi | yes, there should be a ppa already iirc | 15:14 |
| charlie-tca | um, as a side note, Ubuntu may go to Thunderbird this time, too. | 15:14 |
| ochosi | right | 15:14 |
| ochosi | at least that would mean more messaging menu integration | 15:14 |
| ochosi | oh, one more note on postler: as you will quickly notice it only supports imap, so no pop emails :) | 15:15 |
| charlie-tca | How many more dependencies will it create (with gnome), I wonder? | 15:15 |
| charlie-tca | people still use pop? | 15:15 |
| ochosi | no clue :) | 15:15 |
| ochosi | i wouldn't use pop | 15:15 |
| ochosi | i think it's ok, but it's one of the very few shortcomings of postler | 15:16 |
| charlie-tca | I will go looking for that too, then. If it is still needed for a large population, we will have to support it | 15:16 |
| ochosi | also be sure to check out the address-application called "dexter", in the same ppa | 15:16 |
| charlie-tca | also, what about migration? | 15:16 |
| ochosi | with imap you won't need much migration | 15:16 |
| ochosi | but you can import mailboxes afaik | 15:17 |
| charlie-tca | I got about 15,000 messages in claws-mail | 15:17 |
| ochosi | right | 15:17 |
| charlie-tca | not to mention, the about 100 folders | 15:17 |
| ochosi | https://launchpad.net/~postler-dev/+archive/ppa | 15:17 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks | 15:17 |
| ochosi | np | 15:17 |
| ochosi | but you have all those messages in claws as an offline archive? | 15:18 |
| ochosi | (meaning: not on your imap server) | 15:18 |
| charlie-tca | yes | 15:23 |
| charlie-tca | I store very few on the imap server | 15:23 |
| charlie-tca | I don't have enough space to keep them there | 15:23 |
| ochosi | right, i thought keeping the emails there was the reason for imap | 15:24 |
| charlie-tca | well, it works if the message base isn't too big, but mine is something like montrous | 15:24 |
| charlie-tca | I could be wrong about the size on my hard drive, too. | 15:26 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: one last thing, it might be worth posting a notice to the ML to invite everyone to contribute ideas for oneiric | 15:34 |
| charlie-tca | Agreed. | 15:34 |
| charlie-tca | That's why I brought blueprints. I think we need to get an email out and get things rolling soon | 15:35 |
| beardygnome | hi charlie-tca are you around? | 19:26 |
| knome | beardygnome, anything i can help with? | 19:31 |
| beardygnome | not sure knome | 19:32 |
| beardygnome | i emailed charlie earlier in the week and was wondering if he'd had a chnace to look at it yet | 19:32 |
| knome | what was it about | 19:32 |
| beardygnome | i was wondering how flexible the weekly meeting times / dates were | 19:33 |
| knome | i suppose not so flexible, but we can propose to change the regular time | 19:33 |
| beardygnome | my personal circumstances are changing and thursdays aren't going to be practical for me going forward | 19:34 |
| beardygnome | on the other hand, i don't want to put everyone else to any inconvenience | 19:34 |
| knome | the thursday evenings are not very well for me either | 19:37 |
| beardygnome | so i wouldn't be the only one who'd benefit from a change then.... | 19:39 |
| knome | yup | 19:39 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: guessing there's no meeting today | 20:23 |
| knome | hihi | 20:23 |
| knome | ;) | 20:23 |
| Unit193 | They said last time that we were going to skip this time | 20:24 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:24 | |
| * micahg seems to have missed that | 20:25 | |
| knome | there was no message to the devel ML though, so people who didn't attend didn't know about that | 20:25 |
| * micahg attend, but was only partially present | 20:26 | |
| charlie-tca | right, I am behind on meeting minutes, but the logs are available to anyone that wants to write them up, too | 20:27 |
| charlie-tca | beardygnome: looking into possible days and times | 20:28 |
| beardygnome | thanks charlie-tca | 20:28 |
| charlie-tca | Sorry, micahg. I got caught up trying to get the candidates tested and lost track of messages | 20:46 |
| charlie-tca | Hello, vinnl | 22:37 |
| charlie-tca | not out yet | 22:37 |
| charlie-tca | well, unless you read OMG! Ubuntu | 22:38 |
| vinnl | Hi | 22:38 |
| vinnl | Crap | 22:38 |
| vinnl | Haha I thought I'd ask here first :P | 22:38 |
| charlie-tca | If you need to, release it and we will be okay. | 22:39 |
| charlie-tca | We really need to make sure we do made the announcements this time around. | 22:39 |
| vinnl | How long will it take? I've got a few little things I've still got to do | 22:39 |
| vinnl | Yeah | 22:39 |
| charlie-tca | by the way, news goes to the planet now, too | 22:40 |
| vinnl | Yeah I saw, great :) | 22:40 |
| charlie-tca | There are some edits being made to the Ubuntu web site for the announcement, then it will be made. | 22:40 |
| charlie-tca | Tried to give you some things to work with in the release notes. Do we do our own notes for the Beta2 now, since it repaces the RC? | 22:41 |
| vinnl | I don't know, I've never really made release notes | 22:41 |
| charlie-tca | heh, me either | 22:42 |
| charlie-tca | but I learn quick... | 22:42 |
| vinnl | Wasn't there some guy a while ago who offered to do it and did it once? | 22:42 |
| charlie-tca | yes, and hasn't been heard from since | 22:42 |
| charlie-tca | Want to try it that way again for the final? I thought maybe I could throw something together, since I have a pretty good idea of where we went and what we are doing now. | 22:43 |
| vinnl | That last option should be fine, I guess | 22:44 |
| vinnl | Anyway, my laptop broke down, which I had imported from the US, and tech support is online now, which means I have reasons to stay online too :P | 22:45 |
| charlie-tca | Sorry, that makes it much harder to get things done with it. | 22:49 |
| charlie-tca | vinnl: announcement went out just a few minutes ago. Let's go ahead with ours, too. | 23:00 |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 23:01 |
| * Unit193 should probably subscribe to the ML... | 23:02 | |
| charlie-tca | Thank you all for the great work done to get this Natty Narwhal Beta1 out! It is shaping up to be a really good release, and I think we will gain users because of all your work! | 23:42 |
| * micahg hopes people like gmusicbrowser :) | 23:44 | |
| ochosi | micahg: sure thing ;) | 23:44 |
| charlie-tca | How could they not like it? | 23:45 |
| micahg | ochosi: did you talk to squentin? | 23:45 |
| knome | for the same reason they didn't like when we presented exaile as the default music player? :P | 23:45 |
| micahg | knome: exaile wasn't that great | 23:45 |
| ochosi | micahg: yes, he was a bit hesitant at first but i guess he'll release a new version sometime soon so it'll supersede the version in debian | 23:46 |
| knome | neither is gmusicbrowser for all users | 23:46 |
| knome | o hai ochosi | 23:46 |
| ochosi | well, people seem to realise those things one release late | 23:46 |
| ochosi | bluebird is having a pretty good phase again atm :) | 23:46 |
| ochosi | all in all i think we have nothing to worry about | 23:46 |
| ochosi | we did a lot of good work and i think 11.04 will be so much better than 10.10 | 23:46 |
| micahg | yep, I think 4.8 by itself is a big draw | 23:47 |
| ochosi | yes | 23:47 |
| charlie-tca | change is hard for some of us, even when it is for the best. | 23:48 |
| charlie-tca | I think I will wait for alpha2 on oneiric before I upgrade from natty | 23:48 |
| ochosi | yeah, i'm kinda wondering what suprises the ubuntu-folks keep for us in oneiric | 23:49 |
| ochosi | maybe more gtk-hacking | 23:49 |
| ochosi | (and maybe more breakage) | 23:49 |
| micahg | well, there will be finishing the port to gnome3 and the start of deprecation of the unsupported gnome2 pieces | 23:50 |
| charlie-tca | We will have that. Also, they do not intend to keep the fallback for oneiric. It will only have Unity, apparently. | 23:50 |
| * micahg guesses it'll be installable, just not available in the default install | 23:51 | |
| knome | judging from what happened with kubuntu in 8.04, i'm sure they don't want to make it unaccessible | 23:51 |
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