[00:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/746111 [00:23] Ubuntu bug 746111 in Xubuntu Website "Xubuntu website has incorrect hardware requirement information" [Low,New] [00:23] should I just s/192/256 on the site? [00:23] http://xubuntu.org/getubuntu [00:24] s/256/512/ s/192/256/ s/128/192/ [00:24] sounds good to me [00:24] let's go for that for now, and rethink that after natty [00:24] ok [00:24] imo [00:25] we probably need to rethink most of the texts in the website anyway with the new site, so this can wait for that as well [00:26] * pleia2 nods [00:28] ok, updated the ticket so we know what the original text was, and fix committed [00:28] thanks knome :) [00:28] no problem [00:28] s/committed/released! [00:29] hihi [00:33] pleia2, btw [00:33] the site says "Visit the Fridge" [00:33] but that's called the ubuntu news... [00:33] fridge is having an identity crisis [00:33] heh [00:33] x) [00:33] okay.. [00:34] you probably knew, but the shot at "What is Xubuntu?" is QUITE old [00:35] yeah, if someone wants to screenshot a maverick I'd be happy to put it up [00:35] heh [00:35] does it need to be default layout? :P [00:36] yeah, that's why I haven't done it yet :) [00:36] yeah.. [00:36] I should just toss it on a vm real quick, but I r teh lazy [00:36] lemme make a bug and then it will annoy me enough to do it [00:36] well, we'll get to change that image as well ;) [00:36] haha, well okay, if that makes you do it [00:36] we need to take new shots when natty is released anyway [00:36] so is it worth it? [00:37] * pleia2 shrugs [00:37] I think there are a few other screenshots on the site, I should really just go through the whole thing and inventory [00:38] yeah [00:38] there are quite a meny [00:38] *many [00:38] plus it'll give me a list for every release when we need to go screenshot happy [00:38] unless we add/remove shots :) [00:39] oh, thoughts on making our wiki less eye-bleeding? [00:39] our wiki? [00:39] wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu [00:39] right, that [00:39] I'm thinking just making all the blocks light blue [00:39] the first one is ok, the other 3 are :( [00:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Toolbox/MenuNew [00:40] that's an idea. [00:40] orange on dark blue is hard to read [00:40] actually I guess dark blue is ok, it's that medium blue that's the trouble [00:41] I like that though, aside from the middle one [00:41] i know, but the colors are pretty easy to change [00:41] well, the non-link colors [00:41] * pleia2 nods [00:42] charlie-tca does such a good job at keeping our meeting notes up to date [00:43] * knome tries not to giggle and burst to tears at the same time [00:43] btw, the new smiley's at the wiki are awful [00:44] the new branding ones? [00:44] yeah [00:45] hm, they are worse than I remember [00:45] yeah [00:45] ! [00:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Toolbox/MenuNew [00:46] oh, nice [00:47] ok, I'll poke some people about putting that one in [00:47] my eyes will be so much happier [00:47] heh [00:47] can't we just put that in right now? [00:47] I dunno, I don't want to upset anyone :) [00:47] hah [00:48] i want to [00:48] ;] [00:48] upset people? [00:48] hehhe :P [00:48] no i mean, it's an improvement for everybody [00:48] yeah, ok, it's a wiki, we can revert if there are protests in the street [00:48] it looks good and is readable, unlike now [00:48] in the street? i ain't going outside, so no worries, but if they come in... [00:49] haha [00:49] yay! [00:49] well yeah [00:50] that looks very good knome, thank you :) [00:50] i know we have the governance where everything goes through charlie-tca, but that takes a long time, and i actually showed that to charlie already and the only concern was the colors [00:50] ah good [00:51] i think we need some padding [00:56] i added some padding [00:56] should look more clean now, the wiki header [00:57] yeah that's good [00:59] i think i'll hit the bed now [00:59] night knome :) [00:59] 3am, and i'm planning to go to city @noon tomorrow [00:59] good luck [00:59] night, and have a nice day! [01:00] back from dinner [01:00] wb charlie-tca [01:01] pleia2: can we use natty screenshots on the website, we are only 4 weeks from release now [01:01] charlie-tca: ok, maybe from the natty beta1 tomorrow? [01:01] I'll toss up a VM and get screenshotting [01:01] or just wait until release [01:01] sure [01:01] I can do a hardware install and screenshot it if you want [01:02] yeah, that works too :) [01:02] I don't have one handy, my last installs were for Ubuntu [01:02] I need to toss up a beta1 vm this week to make sure I'm ready for the jam this weekend anyway [01:03] I think I did about 16 sat and sun, and another 8 or 10 today [01:03] nice :) [10:17] 'o [14:43] Good morning [14:43] Do we want to do any blueprints for UDS this time? [14:43] cut off for them is May 5 [14:45] sry, i'm not really sure i know what the blueprints are about/good for, could you elaborate a bit? [14:45] they are what is normally used to decide all the major changes for each release [14:46] UDS is a place to take the blueprints, discuss them, and make the decisions. That way things get decided within the first month and the blueprint gives the plan to implement the changes [14:46] but you're talking about xubuntu specific blueprints in our case, right? [14:47] right [14:47] do you think anyone will care about those at UDS? [14:47] no ;D [14:47] Instead of waiting to discuss the changes in meetings and then the ML, we could blueprint it and track it easier, maybe [14:47] I was asked last time if there were any xubuntu sessions [14:47] right [14:48] charlie-tca: are you going to UDS? [14:48] mr_pouit: you going to UDS this time or is that just not your thing? [14:48] ochosi: hopefully, yes. as QA [14:48] k [14:49] I go for the QA stuff, accessibility, and then try to keep things from running Xubuntu over in the process [14:49] There has been at least one change at two UDS [14:49] yes? [14:50] that did not take place that would have adversely affected us [14:50] what was that change? [14:50] Sure, ask me that [14:51] no, I don't go to UDS, as I don't know what I could do there :} [14:51] 40 sessions + each UDS, my brain doesn't remember details well. I just remember getting my side of it in [14:51] this will be my second in-person UDS. [14:52] i'm just wondering what we would gain from UDS (apart from opinions/feedback of ubuntu people) especially if we have to implement the changes we want ourselves anyway [14:52] I can understand that, mr_pouit . Unless we pushed all the Xubuntu changes through the blueprints, it doesn't affect Xubuntu as a project so much [14:53] That would depend on how many of us got there, too [14:53] mmh [14:53] ochosi: moreover, we don't want to control the xfce development, and don't want to overpatch everything ;> [14:54] mr_pouit: completely agree with you on that. if there were a xfce-DS that might make more sense for us :) [14:54] I would like to see us get rid of more gnome dependencies if possible. Also, I stll want midori ;-) [14:55] yes, more xfce-apps would be cool [14:55] I fear we will see more dependencies as Xfce incorporates accessibility into 4.10 [14:55] actually one thing i would really love to see is some alternative to xscreensaver [14:56] It is better then gnome-screensaver in actual use. What else do we have to pick from? [14:56] not sure there's much else tbh [14:57] my search has mainly turned up those two [14:57] and iirc mr_pouit said that gnome-screensaver has gained a few really bad dependencies [14:57] yup [14:57] Changes were made to the wiki last night. [14:57] so actually it doesn't seem like we have a choice [14:57] Has anyone noticed? [14:57] not yet [14:57] xubuntu wiki? [14:58] yup [14:58] or generally the ubuntu wiki [14:58] right [14:58] header [14:58] let me have a look [14:58] I don't use the default theme, and it fails bad now [14:58] Borders are around the boxes, and show up in "rightsidebar" theme, at least [14:59] it feels a bit snappier [15:00] Works a little better as far as colors with the orange, in the default theme [15:01] but it feels like a work in progress, if it won't work with other themes besides the default [15:01] mhm [15:02] i'll try to switch themes now (was using "ubuntu" before) [15:04] http://imagebin.org/145887 is what I get now [15:04] yeah, looks kinda odd [15:04] It doesn't fit the page, borders should not be there, and under Contribute, the links run together bad [15:05] the light theme seems to work ok [15:05] at least better than most other themes [15:05] We need to find a way to make the links separate, on all the themes [15:06] I kind of like the table under xubuntu, but it too looks wrong, with the extra little column on the end [15:06] yes, that's definitely not nice code [15:08] charlie-tca: what do you think of just collecting ideas for natty+1 internally somewhere instead of UDS blueprints? (maybe even on a wiki-page) [15:08] you can still discuss the things that are ready by UDS with the people there and get feedback [15:09] Kind of like adding something to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap, either directly on the page or an additional draft page? [15:09] I don't think I can ever learn to spell owneyerick correctly, though [15:10] :) [15:10] charlie-tca: maybe it's a good idea to start with a rather blank page and move the items that have been discussed somehow to the roadmap page [15:11] that way there would be some intermediary step to help us distinguish between "approved"/"discussed" items and proposed items [15:11] damn, too slow typing. I agree [15:11] ok cool [15:11] We could add an O page and start in [15:11] good [15:12] i already have a few ideas for greybird, and maybe we can add a list of apps we' [15:12] Will you do that, with a link off the Roadmap page? [15:12] d like to review for oneiric as well [15:12] yeah, good idea [15:12] Great! Thanks [15:13] I give up putting in claws-mail, it just doesn't have the user interface, unless we consider our users advanced. [15:13] yeah, i agree [15:13] maybe we can review postler for oneiric [15:13] the development has been steady there lately [15:13] What is it? [15:13] it's a pretty simplistic mail-client (same dev as midori) [15:14] Really? I will go find it then and look at it [15:14] yes, there should be a ppa already iirc [15:14] um, as a side note, Ubuntu may go to Thunderbird this time, too. [15:14] right [15:14] at least that would mean more messaging menu integration [15:15] oh, one more note on postler: as you will quickly notice it only supports imap, so no pop emails :) [15:15] How many more dependencies will it create (with gnome), I wonder? [15:15] people still use pop? [15:15] no clue :) [15:15] i wouldn't use pop [15:16] i think it's ok, but it's one of the very few shortcomings of postler [15:16] I will go looking for that too, then. If it is still needed for a large population, we will have to support it [15:16] also be sure to check out the address-application called "dexter", in the same ppa [15:16] also, what about migration? [15:16] with imap you won't need much migration [15:17] but you can import mailboxes afaik [15:17] I got about 15,000 messages in claws-mail [15:17] right [15:17] not to mention, the about 100 folders [15:17] https://launchpad.net/~postler-dev/+archive/ppa [15:17] Thanks [15:17] np [15:18] but you have all those messages in claws as an offline archive? [15:18] (meaning: not on your imap server) [15:23] yes [15:23] I store very few on the imap server [15:23] I don't have enough space to keep them there [15:24] right, i thought keeping the emails there was the reason for imap [15:24] well, it works if the message base isn't too big, but mine is something like montrous [15:26] I could be wrong about the size on my hard drive, too. [15:34] charlie-tca: one last thing, it might be worth posting a notice to the ML to invite everyone to contribute ideas for oneiric [15:34] Agreed. [15:35] That's why I brought blueprints. I think we need to get an email out and get things rolling soon [19:26] hi charlie-tca are you around? [19:31] beardygnome, anything i can help with? [19:32] not sure knome [19:32] i emailed charlie earlier in the week and was wondering if he'd had a chnace to look at it yet [19:32] what was it about [19:33] i was wondering how flexible the weekly meeting times / dates were [19:33] i suppose not so flexible, but we can propose to change the regular time [19:34] my personal circumstances are changing and thursdays aren't going to be practical for me going forward [19:34] on the other hand, i don't want to put everyone else to any inconvenience [19:37] the thursday evenings are not very well for me either [19:39] so i wouldn't be the only one who'd benefit from a change then.... [19:39] yup [20:23] charlie-tca: guessing there's no meeting today [20:23] hihi [20:23] ;) [20:24] They said last time that we were going to skip this time [20:24] * pleia2 nods [20:25] * micahg seems to have missed that [20:25] there was no message to the devel ML though, so people who didn't attend didn't know about that [20:26] * micahg attend, but was only partially present [20:27] right, I am behind on meeting minutes, but the logs are available to anyone that wants to write them up, too [20:28] beardygnome: looking into possible days and times [20:28] thanks charlie-tca [20:46] Sorry, micahg. I got caught up trying to get the candidates tested and lost track of messages [22:37] Hello, vinnl [22:37] not out yet [22:38] well, unless you read OMG! Ubuntu [22:38] Hi [22:38] Crap [22:38] Haha I thought I'd ask here first :P [22:39] If you need to, release it and we will be okay. [22:39] We really need to make sure we do made the announcements this time around. [22:39] How long will it take? I've got a few little things I've still got to do [22:39] Yeah [22:40] by the way, news goes to the planet now, too [22:40] Yeah I saw, great :) [22:40] There are some edits being made to the Ubuntu web site for the announcement, then it will be made. [22:41] Tried to give you some things to work with in the release notes. Do we do our own notes for the Beta2 now, since it repaces the RC? [22:41] I don't know, I've never really made release notes [22:42] heh, me either [22:42] but I learn quick... [22:42] Wasn't there some guy a while ago who offered to do it and did it once? [22:42] yes, and hasn't been heard from since [22:43] Want to try it that way again for the final? I thought maybe I could throw something together, since I have a pretty good idea of where we went and what we are doing now. [22:44] That last option should be fine, I guess [22:45] Anyway, my laptop broke down, which I had imported from the US, and tech support is online now, which means I have reasons to stay online too :P [22:49] Sorry, that makes it much harder to get things done with it. [23:00] vinnl: announcement went out just a few minutes ago. Let's go ahead with ours, too. [23:01] \o/ [23:02] * Unit193 should probably subscribe to the ML... [23:42] Thank you all for the great work done to get this Natty Narwhal Beta1 out! It is shaping up to be a really good release, and I think we will gain users because of all your work! [23:44] * micahg hopes people like gmusicbrowser :) [23:44] micahg: sure thing ;) [23:45] How could they not like it? [23:45] ochosi: did you talk to squentin? [23:45] for the same reason they didn't like when we presented exaile as the default music player? :P [23:45] knome: exaile wasn't that great [23:46] micahg: yes, he was a bit hesitant at first but i guess he'll release a new version sometime soon so it'll supersede the version in debian [23:46] neither is gmusicbrowser for all users [23:46] o hai ochosi [23:46] well, people seem to realise those things one release late [23:46] bluebird is having a pretty good phase again atm :) [23:46] all in all i think we have nothing to worry about [23:46] we did a lot of good work and i think 11.04 will be so much better than 10.10 [23:47] yep, I think 4.8 by itself is a big draw [23:47] yes [23:48] change is hard for some of us, even when it is for the best. [23:48] I think I will wait for alpha2 on oneiric before I upgrade from natty [23:49] yeah, i'm kinda wondering what suprises the ubuntu-folks keep for us in oneiric [23:49] maybe more gtk-hacking [23:49] (and maybe more breakage) [23:50] well, there will be finishing the port to gnome3 and the start of deprecation of the unsupported gnome2 pieces [23:50] We will have that. Also, they do not intend to keep the fallback for oneiric. It will only have Unity, apparently. [23:51] * micahg guesses it'll be installable, just not available in the default install [23:51] judging from what happened with kubuntu in 8.04, i'm sure they don't want to make it unaccessible