[00:01] <jayant> knome: what is the difference between both of them ?
[00:02] <knome> jayant, between xubuntu and lubuntu?
[00:02] <knome> jayant, xubuntu uses xfce as desktop environment, lubuntu uses lxde
[00:02] <knome> jayant, there are some other differences as well, but that's the most notable
[00:03] <jayant> knome: what is the difference between xfce and lxde ?
[00:04] <knome> jayant, lxde is a bit less user-friendly and has a less features than xfce
[00:04] <knome> jayant, lxde is still usable, though :)
[00:04] <jayant> knome: what does less user-friendly mean ??
[00:05] <knome> jayant, not as easily configurable etc.
[00:05] <jayant> knome: ok..thank you
[00:05] <knome> jayant, i don't know much details about lxde, so i'm not able to compare better
[00:05] <knome> no problem
[00:05] <jayant> knome: i think i will study a bit about both of them and then choose which one to install
[00:05] <knome> yeah. 256 might be just a bit too little mem for xubuntu
[00:06] <jayant> which package will i have to download to install lubunu, like xubuntu-desktop for xubuntu ?
[00:06] <knome> i suppose lubuntu-desktop, but when you finally made your choice, i suggest a clean install
[00:06] <jayant> knome: maybe, but on xubuntu's website, it's given minimum 128MB and recommended 256 MB
[00:07] <jayant> knome: what will be the difference between clean install and installing that package ?
[00:07] <knome> minimun means it'll boot. recommended 256 means that it can pretty much run one application at a time and not totally freeze
[00:07] <jayant> if i remove all the gnome and kde packages, then will it be same as clean install ?
[00:07] <knome> yes, pretty much
[00:07] <jayant> ah, ok !!
[00:07] <knome> clean install is just easier
[00:08] <knome> if you want to go adventurous, you can even try the minimal cd, which by default only installs the base system (eg. not even eny graphical interface!)
[00:08] <knome> !minimal
[00:08] <jayant> clean install will require heavy download
[00:09] <knome> lubuntu is the same as installing minimum, and from there, lubuntu-desktop
[00:09] <jayant> knome, i am new to ubuntu, i can barely use terminal commands
[00:09] <knome> yeah, then maybe better sticking with the live installer cd's
[00:09] <jayant> so i dont want to be that adventurous right now :)
[00:09] <knome> mm-hmm
[00:10] <knome> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[00:10] <jayant> lubuntu is 80.8 MB download and xubuntu is 98.9MB...What if i download both one by one ?
[00:10] <knome> that's actually the most accurate info about requirements :)
[00:11] <knome> you can install them one by one, yes
[00:11] <knome> you can't remove installed packages easily, though
[00:11] <jayant> how will i switch between them ?
[00:11] <knome> you should be able to select the session in the login screen
[00:12] <jayant> what do you mean by "you can't remove installed packages easily, though" ?? I just didnt got it
[00:12] <jayant> knome: ok
[00:12] <knome> okay, i'll explain
[00:12] <knome> xubuntu-desktop is a metapackage
[00:12] <knome> which means it'll install packages x, y, z, a, b, c, ...
[00:12] <knome> though some of those packages might already be installed in your system
[00:13] <knome> let's say x, y, and b
[00:13] <jayant> i know about that
[00:13] <knome> there's no easy way to know that you need to remove z, a, and c
[00:13] <jayant> the size i told you
[00:13] <knome> yeah
[00:13] <knome> id you remove the xubuntu-desktop metapackage, none of the packages it installed are removed though
[00:13] <jayant> was what i read in the terminal when i tried sudo-apt get install xubuntu-desktop
[00:13] <knome> yes
[00:13] <jayant> knome: oh...ok
[00:14] <knome> !purexfce
[00:14] <knome> there are things like that
[00:14] <knome> but those aren't 100% reliable
[00:15] <jayant> should i remove all kde and gnome packages before installing xubuntu or lubuntu
[00:15] <jayant> or can i remove them later on too
[00:15] <knome> no
[00:15] <jayant> ?
[00:15] <knome> you should remove them later
[00:15] <jayant> ok
[00:15] <knome> (if you necessarily do want to remove them)
[00:17] <jayant> will installing the xubuntu-desktop package also install the light-weight apps that are there on xubuntu ?
[00:17] <knome> yes
[00:18] <jayant> according to what i am seeing is, xubuntu is running windows on classic style and lubuntu is running windows 98 :)
[00:18] <knome> heh, something like that
[00:18] <knome> we're refreshing the xubuntu style for 11.04, though
[00:19] <jayant> are you a ubuntu developer ?
[00:19] <knome> i help xubuntu with the artwork+stuff
[00:19] <knome> so yeah, i think that kind of makes me a ubuntu developer :)
[00:19] <jayant> hmm
[00:20] <jayant> thats nice
[00:20] <knome> http://shimmerproject.org/files/2011/03/greybird.png - preview of xubuntu 11.04 :)
[00:20] <jayant> what does 0 upgraded, 139 newly installed, 2 to remove and 281 not upgraded. mean ??
[00:21] <jayant> i mean what does remove and not upgraded mean ?
[00:21] <jayant> i see this when i install something from terminal
[00:21] <knome> 2 packages need to be removed
[00:22] <knome> 281 will kept not upgraded, since you didn't select to upgrade, you wanted to install new packages
[00:22] <knome> sudo apt-get upgrade if you want to upgrade first
[00:22] <jayant> why are packages required to removed ?
[00:22] <knome> some packages conflict, and can't be installed at the same time in the same computer
[00:23] <knome> that's probably nothing to worry about though
[00:23] <jayant> ok
[00:23] <jayant> the new look that you gave a link for, is pretty much same as ubuntu
[00:24] <jayant> just a classic theme
[00:24] <jayant> and not much gradients
[00:24] <knome> mmh, true
[00:25] <jayant> the link that you gave me before, about system requirements...there were a lot many distros mentioned there and puppy seems to be the best one
[00:25] <jayant> shall i give that a try too ?
[00:26] <knome> it's really not user-friendly
[00:26] <jayant> but still, if i start using it, it will become user-friendly for me :)
[00:27] <jayant> does lubuntu come with google chrome ?
[00:27] <knome> umm, well, it's really hard
[00:27] <knome> re: lubuntu+chrome: i think, yeah
[00:27] <knome> if you want to save resources though, you should think of some other browser, if that's at all possible
[00:27] <knome> and you can also have chrome in xubuntu
[00:28] <jayant> knome, i dont use chrome, but i have it installed thought
[00:28] <knome> (ubuntu, xubuntu and lubuntu share the repositories, so any application you can have in one, you can have in the other)
[00:28] <jayant> though*
[00:28] <knome> btw,
[00:28] <jayant> i actually asked it because i saw this on terminal: http://shimmerproject.org/files/2011/03/greybird.png
[00:28] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/getubuntu is updated
[00:28] <jayant> oops...forgot to copy
[00:28] <jayant> wt
[00:29] <jayant> i pressed ctrl+C on the termianl to copy
[00:29] <jayant> and the download was aborted
[00:29] <knome> hmm
[00:29] <jayant> will it resume if i start it again
[00:29] <jayant> ?
[00:29] <knome> yeah, that's the abort command
[00:29] <knome> yeah, it should
[00:29] <knome> at least from the beginning of the last package you were downloading
[00:30] <jayant> the first package was 1 chromium-browser 8,745kB/15.4MB 56%
[00:30] <jayant> thats why i asked you about chrome
[00:30] <knome> with lubuntu? mm-hmm
[00:30] <jayant> yeah with lubuntu
[00:30] <knome> they do use chrome as default afaik
[00:31] <jayant> whats afaik ?
[00:31] <knome> afaik == as far as i know :)
[00:31] <jayant> This time i got "Need to get 79.9MB/80.8MB of archives." what does that mean ?
[00:31] <jayant> ok
[00:31] <jayant> will it download 79.9MB or 80.8 ?
[00:31] <knome> 79.9MB
[00:32] <jayant> i got it
[00:32] <knome> 80.8MB is the amount what you have to download, and 0.9MB is already downloaded
[00:32] <jayant> the download resumes
[00:32] <jayant> :D
[00:32] <jayant> hmm
[00:33] <jayant> do you use C++ ?
[00:33] <knome> nope, i'm an artist rather than a coder
[00:34] <jayant> ok....do you make 3d models ??
[00:34] <knome> not really :)
[00:35] <jayant> i googled system requirements for puppy and got this : "Hard Drive : Optional "
[00:35] <knome> yeah.
[00:36] <jayant> see this...http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=101137
[00:37] <jayant> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=101137
[00:37] <jayant> my cell phone has a better configuration :D
[00:37] <knome> yeah
[00:37] <knome> but puppy linux is not really a sunny day to install
[00:37] <jayant> can i install it on my cellphone then ?
[00:38] <jayant> hmm
[00:38] <knome> if it puppy supports the architecture (which i suppose it doesn't), why not?
[00:39] <jayant> what does architecture mean ?
[00:40] <jayant> 20% of lubuntu-desktop package download was chromium browser
[00:41] <knome> architecture == i386, amd64, ...
[00:41] <jayant> oh ok...
[00:42] <jayant> does architecture mean processor ?
[00:43] <knome> well, processor architecture ;)
[00:44] <jayant> hmm
[00:44] <jayant> which application do you use for image editing ?
[00:45] <knome> inkscape mostly
[00:45] <jayant> can i pause something running in terminal ?
[00:45] <jayant> ok..
[00:45] <knome> umm, i suppose you can...
[00:46] <jayant> how ?
[00:46] <knome> ctrl+z if i remember correctly
[00:47] <jayant> that stopped it
[00:47] <jayant> how do i continue it ?
[00:49] <knome> fg
[00:49] <jayant> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[00:49] <jayant> whats fg ?
[00:49] <knome> fg continues
[00:49] <jayant> ok
[00:49] <jayant> thank you
[00:49] <jayant> :)
[00:49] <knome> you can't upgrade/install something else if you have something installing/upgrading already
[00:49] <jayant> hmm
[00:50] <knome> so you have to wait that this upgrade is finished
[00:50] <jayant> i hope you dont mind me asking this, but you are from which country ?
[00:51] <knome> finland, and no problem :)
[00:51] <knome> (and i need to go to bed soon - 3am here :P)
[00:51] <jayant> 5:21 AM here.... :D
[00:52] <jayant> my cousin went to finland once and he says that it's the best country in the world as regards to natural beauty
[00:52] <knome> that's weird timezone :)
[00:52] <jayant> all that comes to my mind with finland is Children of Bodom :D
[00:52] <jayant> it's GMT +5:30
[00:53] <knome> yeah. timezones rarely are :30
[00:53] <jayant> hmm
[00:54] <jayant> my last question, then i wont disturb you anymore :)
[00:54] <jayant> how will i get to know if puppy will run on  Intel PXA27x 312 MHz processor ?
[00:55] <knome> jayant, that's a normal pc processor?
[00:55] <jayant> knome: no
[00:56] <knome> phone?
[00:56] <jayant> it's the processor my cell phone uses
[00:56] <jayant> yeah
[00:56] <knome> well, don't hold your breath
[00:56] <knome> and ask the puppy devs;)
[00:56] <jayant> on #puppy ??
[00:57] <knome> #puppylinux
[00:57] <jayant> hmm
[00:57] <jayant> ok thankyou
[00:57] <knome> no problem
[00:57] <jayant> thanks a lot for all your help and good night :)
[00:58] <knome> have fun with linux :)
[00:58] <knome> good night
[00:58] <jayant> same 2 u :)
[03:26] <ljsoftnet> can i use my usb joystick on supertux and supertuxcart?
[04:14] <xubuntu474> hi!
[04:15] <Unit193> Hello xubuntu474
[06:18] <Rogan11> Hey guys... Did a dumb thing, disabled some startup things, specifically xfce settings helper and the check for new hardware drivers...
[06:19] <Rogan11> Now, obviously on boot I don't have a mouse or keyboard... Anyway to turn those back on, from either commandline on boot or by editing a file (from livecd)
[06:25] <Rogan11> That's a... "You're screwed."?
[06:26] <Unit193> That, or we are all asleep...
[06:58] <alpha999> hi
[06:58] <alpha999> I'm running xubuntu 10.10 off a live cd on amd64 platform.. When I try to start gparted > http://pastebin.com/PP0GicMa
[07:54] <ljsoftnet> how do i edit the xfce menu?
[08:51] <jorge_y> hi, I've been trying to set shortcuts on a new installation of xubuntu 10.10 on a asus r101. I expected to have to set a new profile on the window setup, keyboard section, but I have no profile list there. What am I doing wrong?
[09:34] <Sysi> iirc some old xfce had those profiles, not anymore
[09:34] <Sysi> window hotkeys are in window manager settings
[09:34] <jorge_y> hi sysi
[09:35] <Sysi> hi
[09:35] <jorge_y> ok, and how can you set a new one, I mean, I have no button for defining a new one
[09:36] <jorge_y> or am I missing something?
[09:36] <Sysi> keyboard settings
[09:36] <Sysi> there is shortcuts-tab and button for adding new
[09:37] <jorge_y> I will check again, but I thought, I have seen none
[09:38] <jorge_y> ok, thank you
[10:01] <jorge_y> I'm back. I have only two buttons there, one to emptying the list and the other one to set the defaults back. No more.
[10:02] <Sysi> i have three.. what xubuntu/xfce version?
[10:41] <jorge_y> sorry sysi, i was afk
[10:42] <jorge_y> I had a 10.04 xubuntu on it and upgraded to 10.10
[11:00] <wereyoda> hi I have problem chown dont have enought rights su root dont work??? sudo chown do nothing..
[11:01] <wereyoda> any ideas?
[11:04] <wereyoda> I know I could boot but actually I want to know how root is managed in xubuntu ecause command chown is much needed
[11:06] <Sysi> there isn't root passwd by default, use sudo -s or sudo -i
[11:07] <knome> 'sudo chown' by itself shouldn't do anything
[11:10] <wereyoda> thanks.. so everything is ok and fresh just installed
[11:11] <TheSheep> wereyoda: note also that you might not have permissions to change rights on network-mounted filesystems, even as root
[11:20] <wereyoda> owned root:plugdev and files are in ntfs partition, I copy those to native
[11:29] <wereyoda> the solution was just to copy files from ntfs to native partition :)
[12:00] <penoss> Soon he placed his cock head at my sphincter and said "it's time." Slowly he pushed forward until the head popped beyond the sphincter. Then he stopped to let me relax. After a few seconds of adjustment I started to slowly push back onto him. It was incredible!!!! He reached around and started to play with my clit - I saw stars and came continuously!!! When he came I could feel him swell and
[12:00] <penoss> spurt into my ass.
[12:01] <knome> eh
[12:39] <jorge_y> @sysi i have xubuntu 10.10 with xfce 4.6.2
[12:40] <Sysi> hum, definitely should be there
[12:40] <jorge_y> well... i don't see it... :(
[12:42] <jorge_y> it's a german version, and i have only two buttons "Leeren" and "Standardwerte setzen"
[12:43] <knome> jorge_y, should be a button with green plus there
[12:43] <jorge_y> nop
[12:43] <knome> how did you open the dialog?
[12:43] <knome> does your user have sudo rights?
[12:44] <jorge_y> i have only one user, and i can sudo in the terminal
[12:44] <knome> mm-hmm
[12:44] <knome> so how did you open the dialog?
[12:44] <knome> from the applications mennu?
[12:44] <knome> -n
[12:44] <jorge_y> well, from menu
[12:45] <jorge_y> anwendungen/einstellungsverwaltung für xfce4/einstellungen
[12:46] <jorge_y> applications/setup for xcfe4/setup in my translation
[12:46] <knome> mm-hmm
[12:47] <jorge_y> i have a 10" display, but i cannot find anything hidden
[12:47] <knome> jorge_y, it should be in the left bottom
[12:47] <knome> jorge_y, left to "remove"
[12:47] <jorge_y> it should...
[12:48] <jorge_y> should i reinstall something
[12:48] <knome> yeah, really weird
[12:48] <jorge_y> just to be shure?
[12:48] <jorge_y> sure
[12:48] <knome> jorge_y, you can try reinstalling xubuntu-desktop
[12:48] <knome> and upgrading everything
[12:48] <jorge_y> ok, i can try
[12:49] <jorge_y> as i said, i did an upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10
[12:49] <jorge_y> maybe it didn't function allright
[12:49] <knome> yeah, possible
[12:50] <jorge_y> ok, just to be sure, then i upgrade the desktop only
[12:50] <jorge_y> isn't it?
[12:50] <knome> upgrade everything :)
[12:50] <jorge_y> ok
[12:50] <jorge_y> apt-get?
[12:50] <knome> for example yeah
[12:50] <jorge_y> ok
[12:50] <knome> brb
[12:51] <jorge_y> brb?
[12:51] <knome> be right back
[12:51] <jorge_y> ok
[12:51] <jorge_y>  :)
[12:51] <jorge_y> i'll try, thank you
[12:59] <jorge_y> ok
[12:59] <jorge_y> i'm deinstalling the desktop
[14:09] <mark76> Hey cody. What's the CLI command that tells you what kind of soundcard your machine's packing?
[14:13] <TheSheep> mark76: lshw
[14:13] <mark76> Ta
[14:13] <mark76> That's a big i, right?
[14:14] <TheSheep> no
[14:14] <TheSheep> it's a small L
[14:14] <mark76> Ah right
[14:14] <TheSheep> (it's a short for 'list hardware')
[14:15] <mark76> So obvious when you see it written down
[14:16] <mark76> Ooh. I have firewire.
[14:16] <mark76> I thought that was a Mac thing
[16:32] <jorge_y> well, i did an apt-get remove xubuntu* xfce*, a shutdown, and apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. All the same, i don't have the third button to define new shortcuts. I give up.
[18:06] <valadares> how can i make xubuntu detects my wlan adapter? model:USB-11N-NTX(LOOP)
[19:20] <mark76> Does anyone here use 64 bit?
[19:21] <istok> no
[19:21] <knome> yes
[19:22] <mark76> Do you an nividia msp61 audio xhip, knome?
[19:22] <knome> no
[19:22] <mark76> mcp
[19:22] <knome> what is the problem?
[19:22] <mark76> I can't get sound in
[19:22] <knome> in?
[19:22] <mark76> Yes
[19:22] <mark76> As opposed to out
[19:22] <knome> i can't get sound in either from my audigy 2 line in
[19:22] <mark76> I can't think of a better way to put it
[19:23] <knome> yeah, i asked just because usually it is out :P
[19:23] <mark76> Unless you're recording
[19:23] <knome> yes, of course.
[19:23] <knome> have you checked the pulseaudio controls?
[19:24] <mark76> So 64 bit Ubuntu fails with Audigy cards too?
[19:24] <mark76> Yes
[19:24] <mark76> Though I use alsa
[19:24] <knome> no, it's not that it's 64-bit, it's because it just doesn't work in this release
[19:24] <mark76> The Nvidia has never worked
[19:25] <knome> the audigy2 card worked maybe 2 years ago.
[19:25] <mark76> I was hoping someone would have solved it by now
[19:26] <knome> me too, but since it's not critical for me, i haven't had much time to use to solve the problem
[19:27] <mark76> I'm going to send a telegram to the main distro's support channel
[20:06] <An_Ony_Moose> Is it possible to use a multitouch trackpad in xfce?
[20:06] <An_Ony_Moose> the driver is fine, it works in the GNOME desktop
[20:07] <Sysi> it's about xorg preferences and settings, gnome has own controls for mouse settings
[20:09] <An_Ony_Moose> Sysi: so I have to edit xorg.conf? I'll see if I can find anything about using this specific device on xubuntu, if not I'll be back ;)
[20:09] <Sysi> you can use xinput too, or maybe some GUI
[20:10] <An_Ony_Moose> Sysi: xinput... *googles*
[20:11] <An_Ony_Moose> eh, that gives me loads of stuff about xbox controllers >_>
[20:12] <An_Ony_Moose> wait hey, it's already working
[20:12] <An_Ony_Moose> just that middle-click and right-click are switched
[20:12]  * An_Ony_Moose looks at xorg.conf
[20:13] <An_Ony_Moose> oh wait I forgot that doesn't exist anymore
[20:14] <An_Ony_Moose> and multitouch scrolling works too
[20:14] <knome> if you have an xorg.conf file, it will be used
[20:14] <An_Ony_Moose> I'm so used to it that I use it without even noticing it's already working
[20:14] <An_Ony_Moose> xD
[20:15] <An_Ony_Moose> isn't there some replacement for xorg.conf now though?
[20:16] <Sysi> no, xorg just can live without it
[20:16] <knome> yeah, automatic settings
[20:18] <An_Ony_Moose> ah ok. Now how do I switch around the two-finger tap and the three-finger tap >.<
[20:21] <Sysi> may i ask what multitouch device?
[20:23] <An_Ony_Moose> Sysi: eeepc integrated trackpad
[20:30] <An_Ony_Moose> oh yeah, THAT'S what xinput is! I completely forgot. I think I can figure this out myself now, thanks for the help Sysi and knome
[20:30] <knome> no problem
[20:31] <An_Ony_Moose> yup I got it
[20:32] <An_Ony_Moose> are settings made with xinput permanent?
[20:32] <Sysi> no
[20:32] <An_Ony_Moose> ah, then I still have a problem...
[20:33] <Sysi> make a script and put it to autostart
[20:33] <An_Ony_Moose> xinput set-button-map 12 1 3 2 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12  did the job perfectly... so how do I make it always do that
[20:33] <An_Ony_Moose> ok
[20:33] <An_Ony_Moose> um, autostart
[20:33] <Sysi> if it's one command you don't need separate script file propable
[20:33] <Sysi> settings
[20:34] <Sysi> → session and startup → autostart
[20:34] <An_Ony_Moose> thanks!
[20:35] <An_Ony_Moose> ok that means I can now use xubuntu with no problems whatsoever
[20:35] <An_Ony_Moose> including speed
[20:35] <An_Ony_Moose> :D
[20:35] <An_Ony_Moose> thanks very much
[21:29] <sigl> anyone want to help me with finding an error that is causing a crash/freeze?
[21:29] <sigl> i've looked in a few log files and can't find anything so far