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tremoluxI think I can just suppress the error message00:00
patrickmwtremolux, yes00:00
tremoluxactually, if it's just a warning, would that still cause trouble?00:00
tremoluxor do you think that this might actually be something else that causes the issue with Mago?00:00
patrickmwtremolux, I'm really not sure if that's the root cause of my actual ptoblem00:00
patrickmwtremolux, sorry for the confusing on that bug, its misplaced00:01
davmor2kenvandine: I've just noticed a scripting issue on FB like under natty's gwibber {u'count': 1, u'data': [{u'name': u'Rebecca Firstenfeld', u'id': u'1707592767'}]} users liked this it's on jono's lastest post here00:14
kenvandinedavmor2, fixed in 2.91.93 released a couple hours ago00:16
kenvandinefacebook changed their json output...00:16
davmor2kenvandine: sounds about right :D00:17
davmor2kenvandine: also typing in facebook or twitter on the main lens (hit the ubuntu icon) does show up gwibber as a suggestion FB shows empathy for chat.00:27
GunnarHjkenvandine: Hi Ken, available for an urgent problem?00:52
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kenvandineGunnarHj, what's up?02:20
GunnarHjkenvandine: Hello! It's about a gdm security update in lucid and maverick leading to the backports binaries no longer being the latest versions. I wanted to ask if there is some shortcut available for dealing with the issue. What I'm about to do is making new backports branches that include the update.02:34
micahgGunnarHj: you just need to open a backports bug with a new version rebased on top of the security update02:36
GunnarHjmicahg: Yes, that's what I thought. (There already are two bugs from people who were surprised... That's why I said to kenvandine that it's urgent.) Thanks!02:41
kenvandineGunnarHj, cool... i actually don't know much about backports02:41
kenvandineglad micahg was here :)02:41
GunnarHjkenvandine, micahg: Yep. Good to know that I'm on the right track.02:43
micahgGunnarHj: I'd suggest next time just asking the question rather than pinging someone if it's general02:46
* micahg hugs kenvandine 02:48
GunnarHjmicahg: Right. Point taken. :)02:49
* micahg almost tried for ubuntu-backporters02:49
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RAOFchrisccoulson_: Hey, do you still frequently see bug #740126 ?06:29
ubot2Launchpad bug 740126 in compiz "compiz hangs randomly several times per day" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74012606:29
TheMusoRAOF: Hrm seems I have a blank screen with nouveau on powerpc, KMS enabled, latest natty kernel. Does this dmesg show you anything in particular as to what may be going on?06:40
TheMusoRAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/588125/06:40
RAOFMmmmm, TV out :)\06:41
RAOFI take it that you're not actually trying to do display over the TV output?06:41
TheMusoNo, the card doesn't have one.06:42
TheMusoThe card has a DVI port, and an ADC port (ADC is DVI + power for Apple monitors). I am using teh DVI port with a DVI -> VGA adapter.06:42
RAOFI presume this worked at one point?06:43
TheMusoYeah I think so, I'd need to go back and test prior versions to be sure.06:43
RAOFGiven how awkward radeon support is for macs it wouldn't surprise me that the card doesn't actually have a connector table in there and requires a hand-built table in the driver.06:44
TheMusoFnny you should mention radeon for powerpc, with KMS enabled it throws an oops.06:44
TheMusoI have every intension of filing a bug upstream with the oops to get it addressed.06:44
RAOFSo, nouveau thinks you've got a VGA output, a TMDS output (which would be some form of digital output), and a TV output.06:45
TheMusoheh right.06:45
TheMusoActually the ADC port may do VGA, I am not entirely sure.06:45
RAOFFurthermore, it's detecting that there's something connected to the TV output :)06:45
TheMusohaha well that their aint. Let me double check the card, but I am sure there is no TV out on it.06:46
TheMusoOk no there isn't.06:46
TheMusoI'll file a bug upstream about this too.06:47
RAOFThat'd be a winner.06:48
TheMusoSo does the FDO bug tracker deal with dri kernel bugs?06:48
RAOFAlthough if there's a kernel that works correctly they're likely to ask you to bisect; I don't think many nouveau developers have a mac for testing.06:48
TheMusoRight, I need to backtrack to an earlier kernel.06:49
TheMusoto see what I can find out.06:49
RAOFI'd file it under xorg/drivers/nouveau; intel and radeon have DRI/drm/intel and DRI/drm/radeon respectively, but nouveau isn't there.06:50
TheMusook06:50
brycehTheMuso, yes bugs@fdo handles dri kernel bugs06:51
TheMusoWill get to all of that on the weekend hopefully.06:51
TheMusobryceh, RAOF, thanks.06:51
brycehTheMuso, I've a tool you can use to help with the bug forwarding - http://www.bryceharrington.org/cgi-bin/send_upstream.cgi06:51
TheMusobryceh: Thanks. I don't think there are any LP bugs for this, I plan to file upstream directly.06:52
brycehalrighty06:52
RAOFThe problem with the 1st of April is that you can neven be sure whether the delay of GNOME 3.0 to September is a joke or not…07:04
brycehheh07:04
brycehRAOF, btw wanted to ask if you'd given thought to any UDS sessions we might want to hold?07:05
RAOFI've given some thought, but haven't really come up with anything.07:05
brycehyeah same07:05
RAOFI'd like to work out whether we can ship libdxtn, but that's hardly a session.07:06
brycehyeah there's some toolish things I'm interested in but dunno that it's of very widespread interest07:06
RAOFThere are probably enough Xers now to justify having a session.07:07
RAOFOh!07:07
RAOFYes.  Session: what drivers to drop from -all.07:07
brycehmmm07:08
jcastroRAOF: I was thinking the exact same thing wrt. the gnome thing07:08
brycehreminds me with beta out I can cleanup the arm drivers list07:08
RAOFjcastro: It looks plausible, but how soon is GTK4, really?07:09
brycehRAOF, yeah we should probably have a general X meeting like normal, and maybe another canonical-x internal one07:09
didrocksgood morning07:10
brycehhi didrocks07:10
didrockshey bryceh!07:10
brycehwow, we didn't even use the word 'blueprint' and jcastro showed up :-)07:10
brycehdidrocks, how're things?  X working better for you?07:10
RAOFbryceh: And possibly another stakeholders meeting; again, I'd like a venue for our internal consumers of X to say ‘we'd like it to be able to do $THING’.07:11
brycehRAOF, the 8xx'ers have been piling on the bug tracker a lot the last few days.  :-/  I feel really bad continually telling them "no support for you!"07:11
jcastrobryceh: I am watching for outliers to the naming convention.07:11
didrocksbryceh: you mean the "magnetic" issue? It's even worst! so, loicm has it as well. Surprinsingly, I don't get it at all with multimonior and twinview, just on single monitor with twinview deactivated07:12
didrocksbryceh: apart from that, in a rush, but everything's generally fine, thanks ;)07:12
didrocksand you?07:12
brycehdidrocks, that's the one07:12
brycehdidrocks, yep doing good.07:12
RAOFbryceh: I keep seeing a handful of ‘855 is special, don't step on its toes’ commits floating past.  It's somewhat surprising that it *ever* worked *at all* :)07:13
brycehmy 1.5 yr old son likes to hang out in the garage with me, so today I made him a little workbench.  He likes to bang nails into the wood and explore my parts drawers07:13
brycehand he's learned how to climb the ladder out there...  :-+07:14
brycehRAOF, so far most of the 8xx bugs have resembled other bugs we're seeing on 9xx so maybe they're just general issues07:15
GunnarHjGood morning! Anybody with gdm upload rights who can sponsor me with bug 746694? Think it should be considered an urgent matter...07:19
ubot2Launchpad bug 746694 in maverick-backports "GDM_LANG overrides my locales" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74669407:20
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pittiGood morning07:24
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didrockshey pitti07:25
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micahgGunnarHj: backports don't work like that, I believe you need approval before it can be uploaded07:26
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micahgGunnarHj: can we move to -devel?07:26
GunnarHjmicahg: Ok.07:26
pittibonjour didrocks, ca va?07:27
didrockspitti: I'm fine thanks :) you?07:28
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pittididrocks: aaah, intltool!07:46
didrockspitti: yeah, it was the little guilty guy! ;)07:46
* pitti hugs didrocks08:07
pittididrocks: ... but it says "There is no easter-egg!"!!!11!!one!08:07
* didrocks hugs pitti back08:07
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SweetsharkMorning all!08:08
didrockspitti: but is telling not having one is already having one? :-)08:08
pittihey Sweetshark, how are you?08:08
didrockspitti: was a cheap and the less full-bug way to get it! :-)08:08
didrockshey Sweetshark08:08
pittididrocks: I think this question brings this prank to an unduly high philosophical level08:09
desrtpranks?08:09
didrockspitti: exactly, like "you have 4 hours" :)08:09
desrtwhere?  i love pranks08:09
Sweetsharkpitti: a bit stressed by the deadlines (there is one every week -- today: 3.4 branchoff) but otherwise fine ;)08:09
pitti<jedi wave>There is no prank; I'm all 100% serious about this08:09
Sweetsharkdidrocks: is that bug I mailed you fitting?08:10
brycehheya guys good mornings08:10
pittihey bryceh08:10
didrocksSweetshark: I think it does, right08:10
SweetsharkAnyone already having a "best of" of this years april fools already? Something like slashdots OMG Ponys or http://blog.thebehrens.net/2009/04/01/how-openofficeorg-will-switch-to-a-dscm/08:13
pittiSweetshark: still a bit early in the day, isn't it?08:19
Sweetsharkpitti: well, yeah. so its even more important not to be caught halfawake of some shocking news that is really just a joke. I remember my hyperventilating as pretty badly as a gentoo zealot back then, when I read this:http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030401-newsletter.xml#doc_chap1_sect208:25
pittiSweetshark: heh, I remember that one08:25
vishFISHWARE!!!08:34
micahgvishware?08:35
vishBug #74701408:35
ubot2Launchpad bug 747014 in unity "Major Natty regression: No fish!" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74701408:35
SweetsharkI think the gentoo folks started to get careful after some people said "thats a great idea!" after reading about geNToo (gentoo on windows) ...08:37
didrockswooowwww first ABI stable nux update!08:44
RAOFdidrocks: I thought that was technically impossible for C++ ABIs :P08:46
didrocksRAOF: Neil made a list minute commit to change just a slightely issue with nux trunk and it fixes the ABI break issue for this release (at least ;))08:47
didrocksRAOF: so, zomg, that means that you can push C++ code and not breaking the ABI!08:47
* didrocks is *shocked*08:47
mvodidrocks: dude, we do it all the time with libapt ;) its a PAIN though. does he know about the abichecker script that we use in libapt?09:01
didrocksmvo: oh no!09:02
didrocksmvo: link link link? ;-)09:02
* didrocks will add that to his release script09:02
rodrigo_morning09:03
didrockshey rodrigo_09:04
rodrigo_hi didrocks09:04
mvodidrocks: http://ispras.linux-foundation.org/index.php/ABI_compliance_checker , check lp:apt and there abicheck/run_abi_test for a example of the usage, works really well for us09:05
mvoI even bloged about it a good while ago (shocking!) http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/goodbye-accidental-abi-breaks/09:05
mvoits really cool stuff09:05
mvowhoever did "revert button layout" in the appearence properties is my hero-of-the-hour09:07
didrocksmvo: when you change the theme with a custom layout?09:08
mvoyeah09:08
mvowell, I have [x] title [min][max] since about forever09:08
didrocksmvo: I did that in lucid dude! time to ugprade! ;)09:09
mvoand a theme change used to just kill that, now I can just revert09:09
mvohm? first time I see it, it usually just killed my custom window manager layout settings09:09
mvoanyway, /me hugs did'hero-of-the-hour'rocks09:10
didrocksmvo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:2.30.0-0ubuntu2 (if (previoustheme->button_layout && (strcmp (previoustheme->button_layout, tmpbutton_layout) != 0)))09:14
didrocksmvo: from the first implementation ;)09:14
didrocksmvo: seems that ken touched it again in February, pretty sure it worked on lucid, but didn't test it since (seems that themes can be saved in a file now, so maybe it impacted it)09:15
mvoodd really, but I don't complain that it works now for me :)09:16
huatsmornin09:18
seb128one cycle later and update-manager still trigger apport if you close the password dialog by error :-(09:37
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, it also says lots of apps have crashed, when they haven't, as in last cycle, iirc09:44
seb128rodrigo_, hey09:44
seb128rodrigo_, what? apport?09:44
rodrigo_yes09:44
seb128rodrigo_, well it catches python exceptions09:44
rodrigo_hi seb128 btw :)09:44
rodrigo_ah, ok09:44
seb128uncaught exceptions rather09:44
seb128well the apport dialog is ok09:44
rodrigo_yes, it indeed happens in python apps, like accerciser09:44
seb128what is annoying is that update-manager hangs for 5 minutes then09:45
seb128like it goes waiting for a timeout09:45
seb128with the ui blocked while it does that09:45
mvoseb128: let me look at this09:45
seb128mvo, hey09:45
seb128mvo, sorry to keep ranting about your softwares, I still love you ;-)09:45
rodrigo_:)09:47
chrisccoulson_good morning everyone09:48
seb128lol09:52
seb128GNOME3 delayed to septembre then09:52
seb128we are on track for it ;-)09:52
seb128http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/2011-04-gnome-3.0-rescheduled.html09:53
seb128hey chrisccoulson_09:53
chrisccoulson_hi seb128, how are you?09:53
seb128I'm fine thanks09:54
chrisccoulson_yeah, i just saw the announcement too09:54
chrisccoulson_perhaps we should delay natty until then? ;)09:54
* chrisccoulson_ runs09:54
* desrt shakes his head09:54
chrisccoulson_hi desrt!09:54
desrthey :)09:55
desrti don't think it really makes sense for you guys to delay natty09:55
desrtgnome is merely one of your upstreams09:55
seb128desrt, I think that was a joke ;-)09:56
desrtthey did the 6 month delay so that gnome3 will sync up with your next release09:56
desrtseb128: ah.  of course.09:56
chrisccoulson_desrt - so, gtk 4 coming soon too? (according to the announcement). you don't happen to know how soon do you?09:56
desrti'm in a bit of an annoyed mood today because of the announcement09:56
seb128desrt, why? seems an ok decision09:56
desrtchrisccoulson_: we were saying on the order of 1 year, but i think it may be more like 1.5-209:56
chrisccoulson_desrt, ok, that's not too bad :)09:57
desrtso i'm not sure that delaying for gtk4 is really a good idea09:57
seb128desrt, it feels border line ready, could be shipped as a bit shacky but a 6 month delay will make it great09:57
chrisccoulson_one of the redhat firefox maintainers is currently porting to gtk3, but i had a thought there that gtk4 might come along before it's reviewed and landed ;)09:57
desrtdoes that mean you guys will switch to it in 6 months? :)09:57
seb128desrt, btw seems people realize at least now that using firefox non public stable bits can bite09:58
desrtseb128: i realised this a long time ago and tried to get them to change to seed09:58
desrtbut i understand why they feel that 'yield' is really essential09:58
desrtit's a bit of a difficult problem, really :/09:58
seb128yeah...09:58
desrti think they may try to do a private library now09:58
chrisccoulson_it's not too much of a problem now, as we have a proper spidermonkey lib in ubuntu ;)09:59
seb128desrt, "will switch to it", it being GNOME3 I was going to say "yes for sure"09:59
seb128but that gtk4 point you raise makes me nervous09:59
desrtseb128: shell :)09:59
seb128like we don't want to do another GTK transition before the next lts09:59
desrtgtk4 is at least a year out09:59
seb128ok great09:59
desrtmaybe 210:00
rodrigo_vuntz, hey, what's the april fools joke, the delay of 3.0 or the tarballs due on Monday?10:04
seb128doh, I didn't even check what day we are10:06
rodrigo_seb128, :)10:06
desrtrodrigo_: bad boy10:08
rodrigo_desrt, well, I'm confused, since he sent the 2 mails at the same time10:08
rodrigo_desrt, ah, you were trying to confuse seb128? :)10:09
seb128rodrigo_, I would assume the real email is tarball due10:09
rodrigo_seb128, :)10:09
chrisccoulson_lol10:09
desrtwe'll never tell!10:10
desrt....until tomorrow10:10
rodrigo_:D10:10
seb128let's say I don't find official joke announces as fun jokes10:10
seb128that's why I tend to don't read news on that day if they don't come via email in my inbox ;-)10:11
desrtseb128: i think you do have a point though10:12
desrtgnome3 is certainly not a kde410:12
desrtbut it's also not 100%10:12
seb128the delay would be credible if the goal was to have something high quality10:12
seb128it's also fine to ship it as it this cycle10:13
desrt3.2 will obviously be a better release10:13
desrtseb128: the code is actually pretty high quality right now10:13
seb128was gtk4 in the next year or two also an april joke?10:13
desrtjust a few rough edges, like everyone else10:13
desrtno10:13
seb128ok ;-)10:13
desrtwe've been planning that for a while10:13
desrtwe're planning our next hackfest in september10:13
desrtmaybe somewhere nice in france :)10:14
rodrigo_seb128, yeah, don't trust desrt today10:14
desrthey!  don't blame me!10:14
pittiseb128: how sure are you that bug 740765 really started with 1:2.32.2.1-0ubuntu9?10:14
ubot2Launchpad bug 740765 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74076510:14
desrtso omgubuntu seemed quite convinced...10:15
pittiseb128: I can't see how http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?h=gnome-2-32&id=9142d259dcaa6b011604cbd560b94ce31d314b88 can possibly cause this..10:15
seb128pitti, I just matched the day we started receiving bugs about that and the uploads10:15
* pitti scratching head10:15
seb128pitti, well of course it could be a side effect of some other lib change10:15
pittihm, omgubuntu -> wasn't that xkcd a couple of years back?10:17
seb128pitti, it doesn't make to me either that this commit would create the bug...10:19
vishwell, i guess desrt nailed the coffin with his support ;p10:19
desrtvish: ?10:19
vishdesrt: "I support release team"10:19
vishdesrt: ha! just checked the tags on that OMG post, it says "fooled you"10:20
vishbut still people are wildly debating there :p10:21
desrtdbarth_: ping10:21
dbarth_desrt: hi10:27
* Sweetshark wonders if we should join the Canterbury project ...10:28
pittiSweetshark: I heard it's great!10:31
Sweetsharkhttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3585910:35
ubot2Freedesktop bug 35859 in Localisation "Missing string in french translation" [Normal,New]10:35
Sweetshark^- that one is esp. for our french zealots here ...10:36
seb128got to go for some errands, be back in one hour10:36
pittiseb128: hah, I know10:37
rickspencer3seb128, pitti, vish, desrt ... beta 1 is out, whats the work on the street?10:42
pittirickspencer3: you mean "how's the whale in the Thames?"10:42
rickspencer3pitti,  uuh10:42
rickspencer3I am not familiar with that particular vernacular, but sure!10:43
pittirickspencer3: can you please look out of the window and confirm what google maps shows?10:43
vishs/whale/narwhal10:43
rickspencer3how's the whale in the Tames?10:43
rickspencer3lol10:43
rickspencer3let me see10:43
pittiif it's still there, please wave to him for me, would you?10:43
rickspencer3yes, there is a whale10:43
rickspencer3well, there's already a crowd10:43
rickspencer3it is a narhwal, actually, I think10:45
rickspencer3and it appears to be yellow10:45
rickspencer3anywhoooo, whales aside, any response to beta 1 so far?10:45
pittirickspencer3: didn't hear much yet10:46
rickspencer3hmmmm10:46
rickspencer3I guess that's good from a quality POV, but not so good from a popularity pov ;)10:46
GunnarHjpitti: Have you read the comments on bug 742857? Because of them, I'm about to convert the proposed document to a help document belonging to language-selector. Thought I'd ask for your general view first, to not reach another deadlock.11:02
ubot2Launchpad bug 742857 in ubuntu-docs "i18n matters ought to be properly documented" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74285711:02
pittiGunnarHj: hm, this is more developer oriented, isn't it? I wonder if it would be better suited in the wiki11:04
GunnarHjpitti: My intention was to write a document for users. What makes you think it's developer oriented?11:06
pittiGunnarHj: the other bug comments so far (haven't looked at the actual document yet, was too busy with beta-1 release)11:07
GunnarHjpitti: I see. It is a little more than "click this, select X from that, ...", but aiming for users.11:12
pittiGunnarHj: ah, ok; language-selector help sounds great then11:12
GunnarHjpitti: Then I'll make a try.11:13
chrisccoulson_finally, i've figured out how to write a working mochitest for firefox \o/11:18
pittimochitest?11:18
chrisccoulson_pitti - https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mochitest11:19
didrockschrisccoulson_: hey, did you have the time to add a static quicklist to firefox (see11:19
didrockshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74712811:19
ubot2Launchpad bug 747128 in unity "open new firefox window" [Undecided,New]11:19
chrisccoulson_pitti - i need to write a test for making sure that scrolling works when you select text in a scrolled area11:19
didrocks(well, it needs to fiddling with dpm about the .desktop translation)11:19
chrisccoulson_which means synthesizing fake mouse events and stuff like that ;)11:20
chrisccoulson_didrocks, i uploaded it yesterday ;)11:20
didrockschrisccoulson_: awesome \o/11:20
didrockschrisccoulson_: how did you dealt with i18n?11:20
chrisccoulson_didrocks, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2011-March/010406.html11:21
chrisccoulson_for translations, we have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/FirefoxDesktop11:21
didrockschrisccoulson_: oh, a brand new automated process? ;)11:21
chrisccoulson_lol11:21
chrisccoulson_we need to make it automated ;)11:21
didrockschrisccoulson_: nice work, thanks for tackling that :)11:21
didrocksnow, I can just stare at Sweetshark for quicklist and openoffice!11:22
chrisccoulson_didrocks, well, it was cdbs who modified the desktop file ;)11:22
chrisccoulson_(i just added the extra translations before i uploaded yesterday)11:22
didrockschrisccoulson_: oh, that's already nice then ;)11:23
didrockschrisccoulson_: is open a tab before open a window?11:23
chrisccoulson_didrocks, i haven't added the open tab item yet11:23
didrocksok ;)11:23
didrocksI was wondering how it would behave with:11:23
cdbsdidrocks, chrisccoulson_: hi11:23
chrisccoulson_didrocks, we kept the translations on the wiki to give us the option of adding it later on if we wanted to11:24
didrocksyeah ;)11:24
chrisccoulson_but i want to save some space for other quicklist items really ;)11:24
didrockshey cdbs11:24
pittiGunnarHj: took a look at the document; this looks great, thanks!11:24
* pitti follows up to the bug11:24
didrockschrisccoulson_: agreed, opened a new tab should be more a dynamic QL I think11:24
didrockschrisccoulson_: and the good news is that I just wired up the latest pieces!11:24
chrisccoulson_nice!11:25
GunnarHjpitti: Good to know, thanks!11:25
pittiGunnarHj: followed up11:27
pittiGunnarHj: so in short, I think it'll live well in language-selector itself11:27
pittiimpressive unity changelog again11:28
didrocks(and a lot of spam \o/)11:30
chrisccoulson_yeah, i think i migth go and grab a coffee before i read the unity changelog!11:34
chrisccoulson_**might11:34
didrockschrisccoulson_: double dose will be better )11:34
didrocks:)11:34
chrisccoulson_heh :)11:34
TheMusopitti: So the desktop powerpc image is currently oversized, and I have been looking through the seeds trying to work out what could be dropped. Just about everything that is included could be considered as needed. Thoughts?11:48
TheMusopitti: I was thinking of possibly dropping some or all of the games packages, as they take up a fair amount of disk space.11:48
pittiTheMuso: gnome-games sounds like a good "first against the wall" indeed11:49
pittiTheMuso: you could win a lot by dropping tomboy and banshee and adding rhythmbox instead, but that would deviate quite a lot11:49
pittiTheMuso: do we still ship two different kernels there, or why are these so big?11:49
TheMusopitti: Yeah I would really rather only cut things that aren't absolutely necessary.11:49
pittiTheMuso: I believe we also ship some toolchain bits11:50
TheMusopitti: 2 different kernels for 32-bit and 64-bit powerpc. These kernels could do with a lot of fat being removed, but not enough time this cycle.11:50
pittiTheMuso: like kernel headers, gcc, etc.; dropping those will also win a lot11:50
TheMusopitti: Kernel headers have been dropped, I could also drop gcc.11:50
TheMusoThe interesting thing is with the current desktop seeds, the alternate disk is fine size wise.11:51
pittiTheMuso: we have a lot of bz2/lzma compressed packages, which certainly help a lot11:51
TheMusoOk, I'll drop gnome-games and gcc et al, and we'll see where that leads us.11:51
TheMusoYeah.11:51
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seb128re12:11
seb128pitti, oh, apport abort -> nice catch!12:11
seb128pitti, it tells us that it was right to do as well since that one seems to hit quite some users and didn't get reported before12:12
pittiseb128: right; I just wonder why it failed to extract the message there; it's a normal g_assert..12:12
seb128pitti, the stacktrace has "<value optimized out>" for the message12:13
pittibut it should still be in the global variable in the core dumpl.12:14
pitti..12:14
seb128pitti, yeah, not sure, but that also explain why we started getting so indicator sigabrt crashes12:15
seb128nice that we catch extra bugs12:15
seb128but I will try to investigate if I ran into one of those locally12:15
pittiwohooo! non-crashing unity! live is soo good12:17
* pitti hugs the DX team12:18
seb128;-)12:20
seb128mpt, could you not play close reopen close games on bugs please? it's wasting effort for everybody that could be used in a better way12:20
didrocksso, upload on Friday can make people happy ;)12:21
mptseb128, sorry, I don't know what you mean12:21
seb128mpt, you just reopened a bug that was set invalid because it was not closed with a reference to the other bug12:22
mptoh, I thought I marked that one as a duplicate, sorry12:23
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seb128mpt, ok, sorry for assuming that it was because you disagree with the way the bug was closed (there is a recurrent argument about whether those bugs should be closed or let open until somebody will triage the bug properly)12:24
pgranerHas anyone seen probs with gdm/X after todays updates on Intel? Everytime at the gdm login prompt that I touch the touchpad X crashes and restarts.13:26
seb128hey pgraner13:27
seb128mpt is discussing a similar issue on #ubuntu-x at the moment if you want to join that channel13:27
pgranerseb128, thx13:31
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mvonew nux stopped my unity from crashing when I press alt-f2 \o/13:39
pittiyeah, and I'm running unity again, too13:40
pittiit was impossible to stabilize in the last week13:40
mvoyeah, same here13:40
seb128it's working great there for a while13:40
mvoworks well so far on my two machines13:40
seb128you guys probably did something to upset didrocks13:40
mvoI had loads and loads of crashes lsat week on my nvidia box13:40
pittimy wife hasn't complained yet, though, and she's still running last weekend's version13:40
seb128but it seems he got over it and stop hating you ;-)13:40
mvoseb128: yeah, USER==mvo ;)13:41
seb128it's like mvo hating me with update-manager13:41
seb128;-)13:41
mvoseb128: dude!13:41
seb128mvo, alter!13:41
mvoseb128: I looked at this problem but got confused by all the defer magic and put it on hold :(13:41
seb128mvo, it's a non issue nowadays since polkit stopped crashing every second use13:41
seb128I just ran into it today by accident13:42
seb128it was driving me crazy when polkit was crashing ;-)13:42
mvoits still something that needs to get fixed13:42
mvoI hope that glatzor can give me some idea13:42
didrocksmvo: seb128 asked me to make it crashing for your computer :)13:51
seb128heh13:52
mvodidrocks: you french …13:52
didrocks"I eat you", isn't it? :p13:52
mvolol13:52
mvoI ate you13:52
didrocksoh right, better with this accent ;)13:54
cyphermoxseb128, was there something wrong about my evolution-mapi merge? I see it has been uploaded but the merge request has not changed (still Needs Review)13:56
seb128hi13:56
seb128no, I just though the autoimporter would close it13:56
seb128since it's using the standard location13:57
cyphermoxah, ok :)13:57
rickspencer3didrocks, bryceh, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/74720513:58
ubot2Launchpad bug 747205 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[arrandale] GPU lockup (ESR: 0x00000001 IPEHR: 0x7a005502)" [Undecided,New]13:58
seb128rickspencer3, it's being handled13:58
rickspencer3seb128, thanks13:59
rickspencer3seb128, note I updated teh bug report13:59
seb128rickspencer3, well it was discussed on the next channel and forwarded upstream, tjaalton is on it13:59
didrocksemail sent :)13:59
rickspencer3with no external monitor, it works fine13:59
seb128tjaalton, ^13:59
tjaaltonoh, that's good info, I guess14:00
rickspencer3tjaalton, I'll be here for another few hours, if you want me to try anything14:01
tjaaltonrickspencer3: well, I need to run in a minute, but ping Sarvatt / bryceh to continue from here :)14:02
rickspencer3k14:03
rickspencer3thanks tjaalton14:03
tjaaltononce they're available14:03
tjaaltonand when ickle has something to share (on the upstream bug14:03
tjaalton)14:03
rickspencer3didrocks, when can I test if the fix for bug #738864 worked for me?14:05
ubot2Launchpad bug 738864 in compiz "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in free()" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73886414:05
didrocksrickspencer3: should be published by now14:06
didrocksrickspencer3: I think this fix was in unity itself, not compiz, let me checkc14:07
didrocksrickspencer3: yeah it is, so you should be able to test with the new unity14:08
didrocks(3.8.2)14:08
* pitti grabbed the .debs from LP the minute it was built :)14:14
didrocksseb128: see, pitti lives on edge as well ;)14:16
seb128didrocks, I got it from the mirror now ;-)14:17
didrocks:)14:17
seb128didrocks, the alt-f2 is still screwed :-(14:17
didrocksok tell me how it goes, I'll upload if it works14:17
didrocksoh wait! ;-)14:17
didrocksupdate*14:17
didrocksseb128: how screwed?14:17
ari-tczewmterry: you're not yet core-dev? I thought so :)14:17
seb128if you are hitting enter before the model update it doesn't run the command14:17
seb128didrocks, you hate people who type faster than you right? ;-)14:18
* didrocks slaps seb128 ;)14:18
seb128;-)14:18
didrocksseb128: that's because gord's merge wasn't merged it seems14:18
mterryari-tczew, I like to take things slow  :)14:18
didrocksand I think nobody thought to revert the "fix committed" status14:18
ari-tczewmterry: good luck on meeting then14:19
didrocksseb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~gordallott/unity/unity-31-03-11-places-fixes/+merge/5576514:19
mterryari-tczew, thanks!14:19
didrocksoh no, the bugs are still opened, all is good14:19
seb128didrocks, ok14:20
* mterry HATES April 1st on the Internet14:20
ari-tczewmterry: my wishes weren't prima aprillis :>14:21
mterryari-tczew, I know.  Unrelated  :)14:21
ari-tczewokok14:21
chrisccoulson_mterry - "I like to take things slow" - perhaps not as slow as me though ;)14:27
chrisccoulson_i've been meaning to apply for over a year now ;)14:27
mterrychrisccoulson_, :)  no time like the present14:28
mvoseb128: ha! I get constantly hit by this bug as well, *t<pause>y<pause>p<pause>e* ssssssllllloooowwwwllllly14:29
bcurtiswxgood morn all14:38
Q-FUNKseb128: it could be a good idea to read bug reports, before pasting a boilerplate reply. :)15:08
seb128Q-FUNK, well I didn't read the bug description but I can't do a lot without a crash report15:10
seb128Q-FUNK, what stop you to switch to a vt to copy the .crash to an usb disk or something?15:10
seb128Q-FUNK, or to startx from a vt rather than use gdm15:10
Q-FUNKseb128: appart enabled, but crash not found.15:10
Q-FUNKöö.. apport.15:11
seb128Q-FUNK, can check Xorg.0.log15:11
seb128can you15:11
seb128or /var/log/gdm/...15:11
bcurtiswxwoah, my computers a timebomb15:11
Q-FUNKdid that15:11
seb128there is no stacktrace in the logs?15:11
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Q-FUNKnon15:11
Q-FUNKnone whatsoever15:12
seb128very weird15:12
seb128so it's crashing but without dumping a crash or triggering apport15:12
Q-FUNKand gdm only reported x :0 being temporariliy unavailable15:12
Q-FUNKyup15:12
seb128nothing useful in the /var/log/gdm logs?15:12
Q-FUNKthis beingn said, the new synaptics apparently restored basic X operation15:12
seb128there was a trackpad crash there15:12
Q-FUNKnope.  that's the first place I checked15:13
seb128but yours seems different15:13
seb128can you figured which of the 2 updates broke for you?15:13
Q-FUNKlooking at my /var/crash content, I currently have kernel oopses and python-rsvg crashes.  nothing else.15:13
Q-FUNKwell, even though I had my mouse plugged-in and was using that, synaptics apparently was the cause nonetheless.15:15
chrisccoulson_pitti - you can probably sponsor packagekit from bug 740815 now btw15:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 740815 in xulrunner-1.9.2 "[FFe] Updates to enable us to drop xulrunner from main" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74081515:15
chrisccoulson_that should work now15:16
Q-FUNKas soon as I went and installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu10 directly from LP's build cache and rebooted, the issue was gone.15:16
pittichrisccoulson_: oh, nice15:17
pittichrisccoulson_: currently working on something else, will do ASAP, though15:17
chrisccoulson_pitti - thanks15:17
seb128Q-FUNK, so your issues are fixed now?15:17
Q-FUNKseb128: basic X operation is back.   notification area icons are not. :)15:19
seb128ok, that's "normal" then ;-)15:19
Q-FUNKheh ;)15:19
seb128chrisccoulson_, mterry, tedg: bug #743404 seems to happen on compiz crashes if that's useful info15:20
ubot2Launchpad bug 743404 in indicator-appmenu "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in menu_entry_realized()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74340415:20
seb128crashes or restarts15:20
seb128if someone of you want to claim it15:20
seb128oh, it's assigned to ted already15:20
tjaaltonrickspencer3: jane's bug is fixed by libdrm 2.4.24. guess we'll need to get that in natty :)15:22
* tjaalton gone again15:22
rickspencer3cool tjaalton15:22
seb128tedg, hey15:32
seb128rodrigo_, hey15:50
seb128rodrigo_, bug #649809 an user say he still get it...is there any debug info printf we could had that would be useful?15:50
ubot2Launchpad bug 649809 in gdm "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64980915:50
seb128rodrigo_, like is there any way to get the pid which own the xsetting?15:50
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, via xprop, but I see there is no argument to15:52
rodrigo_hmm15:53
ricotzseb128, hi16:05
seb128hey ricotz, how are you?16:05
ricotzseb128, fine, thanks16:05
ricotzseb128, i am looking at rhythmbox 2.91 and noticed that you disabled all patches with the last 0.13 update16:05
seb128the one yesterday?16:06
ricotzyes16:06
ricotzhttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/67826042/rhythmbox_0.13.3-0ubuntu3_0.13.3-0ubuntu4.diff.gz16:06
seb128urg16:07
seb128ricotz, thanks for noticing!16:07
seb128I did a ls new_name > series16:07
ricotzseb128, np ;)16:07
seb128rather than >>16:08
seb128didrocks, hey, can you do a quick upload for me?16:09
didrocksseb128: sure16:09
seb128didrocks, debcheckout rhythmbox, ls *.patches > series and upload, thanks to ricotz who noticed16:10
seb128didrocks, I did a ls new_patch > series rather than >> series yesterday16:10
didrocksseb128: sure, doing ;)16:10
seb128didrocks, thanks, I'm the middle of some debugging now and can't really build or upload16:10
didrocksno worry!16:11
Laneygudev-sharp-1.0 was demoted for some reason16:15
Laneyand now banshee is depwait16:15
bcurtiswxwhew, what a ride.16:17
davmor2Guys sorry to interrupt after the latest updates if I touch the trackpad my system system restarts to gdm.  If I hit enter on gdm then type in my password so I get to unity and then touch the trackpad it restarts to gdm again.  is this known?16:17
pittiLaney: hm, has it ever been in main? It's not on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt either16:17
Laneypitti: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gudev-sharp-1.0/+publishinghistory16:17
seb128davmor2, upgrade again, there has been an upload to fix that today16:18
pittiLaney: ah, in bug 60729116:18
ubot2Launchpad bug 607291 in taglib-sharp "[MIR] banshee" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60729116:18
bcurtiswxseb128, that fix disables the two finger scroll (in case that wasn't warranted)16:18
pittiLaney: was banshee just uploaded? c-m should have it otherwise16:18
seb128bcurtiswx, ?16:19
pittiLaney: promoted to main16:19
seb128bcurtiswx, dunno, ask on #ubuntu-x, I just know the crash is fixed16:19
Laneypitti: 21 hours ago. I don't know how often it's generated, but if daily then that is fair enough16:19
bcurtiswxseb128, OK16:19
Laneythanks for fixing16:19
pittiLaney: hourly actually16:19
davmor2seb128: Confirmed the fix works :)16:22
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pittiseb128, didrocks: did you see a major influx of bug reports today?16:32
didrockspitti: not really, why?16:32
pittididrocks: just curious16:32
didrocksno, suprinsgly quiet (quiet the unity way of course ;))16:32
seb128pitti, no but usually the inbox issue happens on monday after betas16:32
seb128not on friday16:32
pitti*nod*16:32
seb128quite some users wait on the weekend it seems16:32
pittithanks16:32
seb128np16:33
rodrigo_can someone please merge this -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/couchdb-glib/0_7_2_release/+merge/55956 (already uploaded)16:50
seb128rodrigo_, doing16:50
rodrigo_seb128, thanks16:52
seb128rodrigo_, that makes me think about e-d-s btw16:53
seb128seems we get quite some e-d-s-adressbook crash bugs16:53
rodrigo_seb128, with u1 addressbooks?16:54
cyphermoxrodrigo_, afaik not only u1... google has some issues too, and I've had trouble with LDAP recently16:54
rodrigo_hmm, the evo-.couchdb branch I've got coming fixes a nasty issue with dbus in threads, maybe it's the same for other backends?16:55
cyphermoxrodrigo_, depends what bugs seb128 is referring to16:55
rodrigo_seb128, the accompanying evo-couchdb branch -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/evolution-couchdb/0_5_3_release/+merge/55957 (already uploaded also)16:56
seb128rodrigo_, right, I was just checking your commit in git16:56
chrisccoulsonoh, my bfb just changed colour!16:57
seb128rodrigo_, well, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/72053116:57
ubot2seb128: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 720531 not found16:57
seb128https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/73855216:58
ubot2seb128: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 738552 not found16:58
rodrigo_seb128, I fixed it with an ugly hack, so don't look much at that commit :)16:58
seb128https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/74018116:58
ubot2seb128: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 740181 not found16:58
rodrigo_seb128, looking16:58
seb128thanks16:58
seb128rodrigo_, well the init is not enough16:58
seb128libdbus is just not safe to use in threads16:59
rodrigo_seb128, with the _init call it seems so16:59
seb128it's creating issues in gvfs with libgnome-keyring as well16:59
rodrigo_seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/720531 is a duplicate of the bug I was fixing with my 2 branches16:59
ubot2rodrigo_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 720531 not found16:59
seb128rodrigo_, can you please close it as duplicate?16:59
rodrigo_seb128, yeah, gnome-keyring was the cause for the evo-couchdb bug16:59
seb128thanks16:59
rodrigo_yes16:59
rodrigo_hmm, 727370 is already a duplicate of this one17:01
rodrigo_ah, no17:01
rodrigo_but lp doesn't let me do it17:01
rodrigo_seb128, can you try?17:02
* rodrigo_ looks at the other bugs17:02
seb128rodrigo_, try to dup which one from which one?17:03
rodrigo_trying to mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/720531 as dup of https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution-couchdb/+bug/72737017:03
ubot2rodrigo_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 720531 not found17:03
rodrigo_https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/738552 is another issue17:04
ubot2rodrigo_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 738552 not found17:04
rodrigo_and so is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/74018117:04
ubot2rodrigo_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 740181 not found17:04
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seb128rodrigo_, ok, done, it didn't like the duplicates from the bug you tried to duplicate17:09
rodrigo_ah ok, thanks!17:09
seb128rodrigo_, worked after changing the duplicate number for a few of those and retrying17:09
seb128it was hitting a timeout in launchpad before17:09
* didrocks waves goodbye17:10
rodrigo_bye didrocks17:10
didrocksbye rodrigo_ :)17:10
seb128rodrigo_, btw bug #72464017:10
ubot2Launchpad bug 724640 in evolution-couchdb "Missing dependency from evolution-couchdb to avahi-daemon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72464017:10
seb128didrocks, bye17:10
didrocksseb128: bon week-end!17:10
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, why would it need to depend on that?17:11
seb128rodrigo_, dunno, read the bug comment17:12
seb128rodrigo_, http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch/Documentation/Troubleshooting17:12
rodrigo_seb128, ah, ok, moving to desktopcouch17:12
seb128"Verify that you have Avahi running: #506601 Pairing and replication does not work if Avahi is down. "17:12
seb128rodrigo_, oh right, it's a couchdb thing, not an evo-couchdb one17:13
seb128thanks ;-)17:13
rodrigo_yeah, moving it now17:13
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rodrigo_ok, going out for some (hot) air, so have a good weekend all!17:43
kklimondarodrigo_:  hot air? lucky you :)17:50
kklimondait's got really cold today in Warsaw :/17:51
ricotzkklimonda_, hi :)18:02
kklimonda_ricotz: hey, thanks for your gtkmm 3.0 packaging - I'll try to work on it this weekend18:03
ricotzkklimonda_, your welcome, perhaps this can get an FFe18:03
kklimonda_ricotz: we'll see :)18:07
kklimonda_that would be great though18:07
seb128chrisccoulson, blue bfb is the new claim for attention animation thing ;-)18:13
chrisccoulsonseb128 - it's confusing, because it makes me think i should click on it (which just opens the dash, and doesn't actually help)18:13
ricotzseb128, are you ok with these two packages going in the gnome3 ppa? https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing/+packages18:14
chrisccoulsonso, if the messaing icon goes blue, i need to click on it. but, if the bfb goes blue, i need to just hover the mouse over it ;)18:14
chrisccoulsonthat's strange18:14
seb128re18:15
seb128how did I close that tab?18:15
seb128ricotz, I was checking on your ppa18:15
seb128ricotz, seems fine yes18:15
seb128ricotz, we usually do merge summaries the other way around though, list the remaining ubuntu changes18:15
seb128but don't bother for a ppa upload ;-)18:15
ricotzseb128, ok, doing it this way was easier for now18:16
seb128ricotz, ok18:17
ricotzseb128, the gnome3 environment getting quite complete for my usage18:19
seb128nice18:20
ricotzseb128, there are some packages in the ppa that are worth to go into natty18:21
seb128which ones?18:21
ricotzlike totem-pl-parser18:21
ricotzmutter, avahi18:21
seb128ricotz, it's a bit broken that things like totem-pl-parser went in the ppa to start with18:24
ricotzseb128, totem depends on this specific version and the freeze made it necessary18:26
seb128ricotz, well there should be a merge request or sponsoring upload going with such updates18:28
ricotzseb128, actually i made one for mutter 2.91.9218:29
ricotzwhich is obsolete by now18:29
seb128ricotz, well mutter doesn't interest me but I would have sponsoring  the totem-pl-parser update while I was doing sponsoring yesterday if there had been a request for it18:30
* dobey hopes his freeze exception is granted soon18:30
seb128dobey, try pinging on #ubuntu-release18:30
ricotzseb128, i see, i was waiting for debian to catch up, so it could be synced18:31
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pittihave a nice weekend everyone!18:38
kenvandineyou too pitti18:39
seb128pitti, thanks, you as well18:43
seb128ricotz, right, that's the reason why it was not updated by somebody else in natty as well, we were waiting to sync ;-)18:43
seb128but from the moment someone do the update it should be trivial to do a merge request against the vcs18:44
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sweezeusing gnome3 ppa, looks like all gtk3 apps are displayed w/ raleigh theme... any way to change/debug this?19:34
sweezealso, network-manager icon is "not found" icon?19:37
Ampelbeinhmm, are the amd64 retracers not working at the moment?19:41
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