[00:00] I think I can just suppress the error message [00:00] tremolux, yes [00:00] actually, if it's just a warning, would that still cause trouble? [00:00] or do you think that this might actually be something else that causes the issue with Mago? [00:00] tremolux, I'm really not sure if that's the root cause of my actual ptoblem [00:01] tremolux, sorry for the confusing on that bug, its misplaced [00:14] kenvandine: I've just noticed a scripting issue on FB like under natty's gwibber {u'count': 1, u'data': [{u'name': u'Rebecca Firstenfeld', u'id': u'1707592767'}]} users liked this it's on jono's lastest post here [00:16] davmor2, fixed in 2.91.93 released a couple hours ago [00:16] facebook changed their json output... [00:17] kenvandine: sounds about right :D [00:27] kenvandine: also typing in facebook or twitter on the main lens (hit the ubuntu icon) does show up gwibber as a suggestion FB shows empathy for chat. [00:52] kenvandine: Hi Ken, available for an urgent problem? === asac_ is now known as asac [02:20] GunnarHj, what's up? [02:34] kenvandine: Hello! It's about a gdm security update in lucid and maverick leading to the backports binaries no longer being the latest versions. I wanted to ask if there is some shortcut available for dealing with the issue. What I'm about to do is making new backports branches that include the update. [02:36] GunnarHj: you just need to open a backports bug with a new version rebased on top of the security update [02:41] micahg: Yes, that's what I thought. (There already are two bugs from people who were surprised... That's why I said to kenvandine that it's urgent.) Thanks! [02:41] GunnarHj, cool... i actually don't know much about backports [02:41] glad micahg was here :) [02:43] kenvandine, micahg: Yep. Good to know that I'm on the right track. [02:46] GunnarHj: I'd suggest next time just asking the question rather than pinging someone if it's general [02:48] * micahg hugs kenvandine [02:49] micahg: Right. Point taken. :) [02:49] * micahg almost tried for ubuntu-backporters === kklimonda_ is now known as Guest17427 === Guest17427 is now known as kklimonda_` === kklimonda_` is now known as kklimonda_ === kklimonda_ is now known as Guest63630 === Guest63630 is now known as kklimonda_` === kklimonda_` is now known as kklimonda_ === Amaranth is now known as Itsh00k === Itsh00k is now known as Amaranth [06:29] chrisccoulson_: Hey, do you still frequently see bug #740126 ? [06:29] Launchpad bug 740126 in compiz "compiz hangs randomly several times per day" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740126 [06:40] RAOF: Hrm seems I have a blank screen with nouveau on powerpc, KMS enabled, latest natty kernel. Does this dmesg show you anything in particular as to what may be going on? [06:40] RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/588125/ [06:41] Mmmmm, TV out :)\ [06:41] I take it that you're not actually trying to do display over the TV output? [06:42] No, the card doesn't have one. [06:42] The card has a DVI port, and an ADC port (ADC is DVI + power for Apple monitors). I am using teh DVI port with a DVI -> VGA adapter. [06:43] I presume this worked at one point? [06:43] Yeah I think so, I'd need to go back and test prior versions to be sure. [06:44] Given how awkward radeon support is for macs it wouldn't surprise me that the card doesn't actually have a connector table in there and requires a hand-built table in the driver. [06:44] Fnny you should mention radeon for powerpc, with KMS enabled it throws an oops. [06:44] I have every intension of filing a bug upstream with the oops to get it addressed. [06:45] So, nouveau thinks you've got a VGA output, a TMDS output (which would be some form of digital output), and a TV output. [06:45] heh right. [06:45] Actually the ADC port may do VGA, I am not entirely sure. [06:45] Furthermore, it's detecting that there's something connected to the TV output :) [06:46] haha well that their aint. Let me double check the card, but I am sure there is no TV out on it. [06:46] Ok no there isn't. [06:47] I'll file a bug upstream about this too. [06:48] That'd be a winner. [06:48] So does the FDO bug tracker deal with dri kernel bugs? [06:48] Although if there's a kernel that works correctly they're likely to ask you to bisect; I don't think many nouveau developers have a mac for testing. [06:49] Right, I need to backtrack to an earlier kernel. [06:49] to see what I can find out. [06:50] I'd file it under xorg/drivers/nouveau; intel and radeon have DRI/drm/intel and DRI/drm/radeon respectively, but nouveau isn't there. [06:50] ok [06:51] TheMuso, yes bugs@fdo handles dri kernel bugs [06:51] Will get to all of that on the weekend hopefully. [06:51] bryceh, RAOF, thanks. [06:51] TheMuso, I've a tool you can use to help with the bug forwarding - http://www.bryceharrington.org/cgi-bin/send_upstream.cgi [06:52] bryceh: Thanks. I don't think there are any LP bugs for this, I plan to file upstream directly. [06:52] alrighty [07:04] The problem with the 1st of April is that you can neven be sure whether the delay of GNOME 3.0 to September is a joke or not… [07:04] heh [07:05] RAOF, btw wanted to ask if you'd given thought to any UDS sessions we might want to hold? [07:05] I've given some thought, but haven't really come up with anything. [07:05] yeah same [07:06] I'd like to work out whether we can ship libdxtn, but that's hardly a session. [07:06] yeah there's some toolish things I'm interested in but dunno that it's of very widespread interest [07:07] There are probably enough Xers now to justify having a session. [07:07] Oh! [07:07] Yes. Session: what drivers to drop from -all. [07:08] mmm [07:08] RAOF: I was thinking the exact same thing wrt. the gnome thing [07:08] reminds me with beta out I can cleanup the arm drivers list [07:09] jcastro: It looks plausible, but how soon is GTK4, really? [07:09] RAOF, yeah we should probably have a general X meeting like normal, and maybe another canonical-x internal one [07:10] good morning [07:10] hi didrocks [07:10] hey bryceh! [07:10] wow, we didn't even use the word 'blueprint' and jcastro showed up :-) [07:10] didrocks, how're things? X working better for you? [07:11] bryceh: And possibly another stakeholders meeting; again, I'd like a venue for our internal consumers of X to say ‘we'd like it to be able to do $THING’. [07:11] RAOF, the 8xx'ers have been piling on the bug tracker a lot the last few days. :-/ I feel really bad continually telling them "no support for you!" [07:11] bryceh: I am watching for outliers to the naming convention. [07:12] bryceh: you mean the "magnetic" issue? It's even worst! so, loicm has it as well. Surprinsingly, I don't get it at all with multimonior and twinview, just on single monitor with twinview deactivated [07:12] bryceh: apart from that, in a rush, but everything's generally fine, thanks ;) [07:12] and you? [07:12] didrocks, that's the one [07:12] didrocks, yep doing good. [07:13] bryceh: I keep seeing a handful of ‘855 is special, don't step on its toes’ commits floating past. It's somewhat surprising that it *ever* worked *at all* :) [07:13] my 1.5 yr old son likes to hang out in the garage with me, so today I made him a little workbench. He likes to bang nails into the wood and explore my parts drawers [07:14] and he's learned how to climb the ladder out there... :-+ [07:15] RAOF, so far most of the 8xx bugs have resembled other bugs we're seeing on 9xx so maybe they're just general issues [07:19] Good morning! Anybody with gdm upload rights who can sponsor me with bug 746694? Think it should be considered an urgent matter... [07:20] Launchpad bug 746694 in maverick-backports "GDM_LANG overrides my locales" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746694 === Amaranth is now known as its_gnarf === its_gnarf is now known as Amaranth [07:24] Good morning === Amaranth is now known as its_gnarf === its_gnarf is now known as Amaranth [07:25] hey pitti === Amaranth is now known as oops_my_bad [07:26] GunnarHj: backports don't work like that, I believe you need approval before it can be uploaded === oops_my_bad is now known as Amaranth [07:26] GunnarHj: can we move to -devel? [07:26] micahg: Ok. [07:27] bonjour didrocks, ca va? [07:28] pitti: I'm fine thanks :) you? === Amaranth is now known as not_gandalf === not_gandalf is now known as Amaranth === Amaranth is now known as slept_with_ganda === slept_with_ganda is now known as Amaranth [07:46] didrocks: aaah, intltool! [07:46] pitti: yeah, it was the little guilty guy! ;) [08:07] * pitti hugs didrocks [08:07] didrocks: ... but it says "There is no easter-egg!"!!!11!!one! [08:07] * didrocks hugs pitti back === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:08] Morning all! [08:08] pitti: but is telling not having one is already having one? :-) [08:08] hey Sweetshark, how are you? [08:08] pitti: was a cheap and the less full-bug way to get it! :-) [08:08] hey Sweetshark [08:09] didrocks: I think this question brings this prank to an unduly high philosophical level [08:09] pranks? [08:09] pitti: exactly, like "you have 4 hours" :) [08:09] where? i love pranks [08:09] pitti: a bit stressed by the deadlines (there is one every week -- today: 3.4 branchoff) but otherwise fine ;) [08:09] There is no prank; I'm all 100% serious about this [08:10] didrocks: is that bug I mailed you fitting? [08:10] heya guys good mornings [08:10] hey bryceh [08:10] Sweetshark: I think it does, right [08:13] Anyone already having a "best of" of this years april fools already? Something like slashdots OMG Ponys or http://blog.thebehrens.net/2009/04/01/how-openofficeorg-will-switch-to-a-dscm/ [08:19] Sweetshark: still a bit early in the day, isn't it? [08:25] pitti: well, yeah. so its even more important not to be caught halfawake of some shocking news that is really just a joke. I remember my hyperventilating as pretty badly as a gentoo zealot back then, when I read this:http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030401-newsletter.xml#doc_chap1_sect2 [08:25] Sweetshark: heh, I remember that one [08:34] FISHWARE!!! [08:35] vishware? [08:35] Bug #747014 [08:35] Launchpad bug 747014 in unity "Major Natty regression: No fish!" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/747014 [08:37] I think the gentoo folks started to get careful after some people said "thats a great idea!" after reading about geNToo (gentoo on windows) ... [08:44] wooowwww first ABI stable nux update! [08:46] didrocks: I thought that was technically impossible for C++ ABIs :P [08:47] RAOF: Neil made a list minute commit to change just a slightely issue with nux trunk and it fixes the ABI break issue for this release (at least ;)) [08:47] RAOF: so, zomg, that means that you can push C++ code and not breaking the ABI! [08:47] * didrocks is *shocked* [09:01] didrocks: dude, we do it all the time with libapt ;) its a PAIN though. does he know about the abichecker script that we use in libapt? [09:02] mvo: oh no! [09:02] mvo: link link link? ;-) [09:02] * didrocks will add that to his release script [09:03] morning [09:04] hey rodrigo_ [09:04] hi didrocks [09:05] didrocks: http://ispras.linux-foundation.org/index.php/ABI_compliance_checker , check lp:apt and there abicheck/run_abi_test for a example of the usage, works really well for us [09:05] I even bloged about it a good while ago (shocking!) http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/goodbye-accidental-abi-breaks/ [09:05] its really cool stuff [09:07] whoever did "revert button layout" in the appearence properties is my hero-of-the-hour [09:08] mvo: when you change the theme with a custom layout? [09:08] yeah [09:08] well, I have [x] title [min][max] since about forever [09:09] mvo: I did that in lucid dude! time to ugprade! ;) [09:09] and a theme change used to just kill that, now I can just revert [09:09] hm? first time I see it, it usually just killed my custom window manager layout settings [09:10] anyway, /me hugs did'hero-of-the-hour'rocks [09:14] mvo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:2.30.0-0ubuntu2 (if (previoustheme->button_layout && (strcmp (previoustheme->button_layout, tmpbutton_layout) != 0))) [09:14] mvo: from the first implementation ;) [09:15] mvo: seems that ken touched it again in February, pretty sure it worked on lucid, but didn't test it since (seems that themes can be saved in a file now, so maybe it impacted it) [09:16] odd really, but I don't complain that it works now for me :) [09:18] mornin [09:37] one cycle later and update-manager still trigger apport if you close the password dialog by error :-( [09:44] seb128, hmm, it also says lots of apps have crashed, when they haven't, as in last cycle, iirc [09:44] rodrigo_, hey [09:44] rodrigo_, what? apport? [09:44] yes [09:44] rodrigo_, well it catches python exceptions [09:44] hi seb128 btw :) [09:44] ah, ok [09:44] uncaught exceptions rather [09:44] well the apport dialog is ok [09:44] yes, it indeed happens in python apps, like accerciser [09:45] what is annoying is that update-manager hangs for 5 minutes then [09:45] like it goes waiting for a timeout [09:45] with the ui blocked while it does that [09:45] seb128: let me look at this [09:45] mvo, hey [09:45] mvo, sorry to keep ranting about your softwares, I still love you ;-) [09:47] :) [09:48] good morning everyone [09:52] lol [09:52] GNOME3 delayed to septembre then [09:52] we are on track for it ;-) [09:53] http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/2011-04-gnome-3.0-rescheduled.html [09:53] hey chrisccoulson_ [09:53] hi seb128, how are you? [09:54] I'm fine thanks [09:54] yeah, i just saw the announcement too [09:54] perhaps we should delay natty until then? ;) [09:54] * chrisccoulson_ runs [09:54] * desrt shakes his head [09:54] hi desrt! [09:55] hey :) [09:55] i don't think it really makes sense for you guys to delay natty [09:55] gnome is merely one of your upstreams [09:56] desrt, I think that was a joke ;-) [09:56] they did the 6 month delay so that gnome3 will sync up with your next release [09:56] seb128: ah. of course. [09:56] desrt - so, gtk 4 coming soon too? (according to the announcement). you don't happen to know how soon do you? [09:56] i'm in a bit of an annoyed mood today because of the announcement [09:56] desrt, why? seems an ok decision [09:56] chrisccoulson_: we were saying on the order of 1 year, but i think it may be more like 1.5-2 [09:57] desrt, ok, that's not too bad :) [09:57] so i'm not sure that delaying for gtk4 is really a good idea [09:57] desrt, it feels border line ready, could be shipped as a bit shacky but a 6 month delay will make it great [09:57] one of the redhat firefox maintainers is currently porting to gtk3, but i had a thought there that gtk4 might come along before it's reviewed and landed ;) [09:57] does that mean you guys will switch to it in 6 months? :) [09:58] desrt, btw seems people realize at least now that using firefox non public stable bits can bite [09:58] seb128: i realised this a long time ago and tried to get them to change to seed [09:58] but i understand why they feel that 'yield' is really essential [09:58] it's a bit of a difficult problem, really :/ [09:58] yeah... [09:58] i think they may try to do a private library now [09:59] it's not too much of a problem now, as we have a proper spidermonkey lib in ubuntu ;) [09:59] desrt, "will switch to it", it being GNOME3 I was going to say "yes for sure" [09:59] but that gtk4 point you raise makes me nervous [09:59] seb128: shell :) [09:59] like we don't want to do another GTK transition before the next lts [09:59] gtk4 is at least a year out [09:59] ok great [10:00] maybe 2 [10:04] vuntz, hey, what's the april fools joke, the delay of 3.0 or the tarballs due on Monday? [10:06] doh, I didn't even check what day we are [10:06] seb128, :) [10:08] rodrigo_: bad boy [10:08] desrt, well, I'm confused, since he sent the 2 mails at the same time [10:09] desrt, ah, you were trying to confuse seb128? :) [10:09] rodrigo_, I would assume the real email is tarball due [10:09] seb128, :) [10:09] lol [10:10] we'll never tell! [10:10] ....until tomorrow [10:10] :D [10:10] let's say I don't find official joke announces as fun jokes [10:11] that's why I tend to don't read news on that day if they don't come via email in my inbox ;-) [10:12] seb128: i think you do have a point though [10:12] gnome3 is certainly not a kde4 [10:12] but it's also not 100% [10:12] the delay would be credible if the goal was to have something high quality [10:13] it's also fine to ship it as it this cycle [10:13] 3.2 will obviously be a better release [10:13] seb128: the code is actually pretty high quality right now [10:13] was gtk4 in the next year or two also an april joke? [10:13] just a few rough edges, like everyone else [10:13] no [10:13] ok ;-) [10:13] we've been planning that for a while [10:13] we're planning our next hackfest in september [10:14] maybe somewhere nice in france :) [10:14] seb128, yeah, don't trust desrt today [10:14] hey! don't blame me! [10:14] seb128: how sure are you that bug 740765 really started with 1:2.32.2.1-0ubuntu9? [10:14] Launchpad bug 740765 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740765 [10:15] so omgubuntu seemed quite convinced... [10:15] seb128: I can't see how http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?h=gnome-2-32&id=9142d259dcaa6b011604cbd560b94ce31d314b88 can possibly cause this.. [10:15] pitti, I just matched the day we started receiving bugs about that and the uploads [10:15] * pitti scratching head [10:15] pitti, well of course it could be a side effect of some other lib change [10:17] hm, omgubuntu -> wasn't that xkcd a couple of years back? [10:19] pitti, it doesn't make to me either that this commit would create the bug... [10:19] well, i guess desrt nailed the coffin with his support ;p [10:19] vish: ? [10:19] desrt: "I support release team" [10:20] desrt: ha! just checked the tags on that OMG post, it says "fooled you" [10:21] but still people are wildly debating there :p [10:21] dbarth_: ping [10:27] desrt: hi [10:28] * Sweetshark wonders if we should join the Canterbury project ... [10:31] Sweetshark: I heard it's great! [10:35] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35859 [10:35] Freedesktop bug 35859 in Localisation "Missing string in french translation" [Normal,New] [10:36] ^- that one is esp. for our french zealots here ... [10:36] got to go for some errands, be back in one hour [10:37] seb128: hah, I know [10:42] seb128, pitti, vish, desrt ... beta 1 is out, whats the work on the street? [10:42] rickspencer3: you mean "how's the whale in the Thames?" [10:42] pitti, uuh [10:43] I am not familiar with that particular vernacular, but sure! [10:43] rickspencer3: can you please look out of the window and confirm what google maps shows? [10:43] s/whale/narwhal [10:43] how's the whale in the Tames? [10:43] lol [10:43] let me see [10:43] if it's still there, please wave to him for me, would you? [10:43] yes, there is a whale [10:43] well, there's already a crowd [10:45] it is a narhwal, actually, I think [10:45] and it appears to be yellow [10:45] anywhoooo, whales aside, any response to beta 1 so far? [10:46] rickspencer3: didn't hear much yet [10:46] hmmmm [10:46] I guess that's good from a quality POV, but not so good from a popularity pov ;) [11:02] pitti: Have you read the comments on bug 742857? Because of them, I'm about to convert the proposed document to a help document belonging to language-selector. Thought I'd ask for your general view first, to not reach another deadlock. [11:02] Launchpad bug 742857 in ubuntu-docs "i18n matters ought to be properly documented" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742857 [11:04] GunnarHj: hm, this is more developer oriented, isn't it? I wonder if it would be better suited in the wiki [11:06] pitti: My intention was to write a document for users. What makes you think it's developer oriented? [11:07] GunnarHj: the other bug comments so far (haven't looked at the actual document yet, was too busy with beta-1 release) [11:12] pitti: I see. It is a little more than "click this, select X from that, ...", but aiming for users. [11:12] GunnarHj: ah, ok; language-selector help sounds great then [11:13] pitti: Then I'll make a try. [11:18] finally, i've figured out how to write a working mochitest for firefox \o/ [11:18] mochitest? [11:19] pitti - https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mochitest [11:19] chrisccoulson_: hey, did you have the time to add a static quicklist to firefox (see [11:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/747128 [11:19] Launchpad bug 747128 in unity "open new firefox window" [Undecided,New] [11:19] pitti - i need to write a test for making sure that scrolling works when you select text in a scrolled area [11:19] (well, it needs to fiddling with dpm about the .desktop translation) [11:20] which means synthesizing fake mouse events and stuff like that ;) [11:20] didrocks, i uploaded it yesterday ;) [11:20] chrisccoulson_: awesome \o/ [11:20] chrisccoulson_: how did you dealt with i18n? [11:21] didrocks, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2011-March/010406.html [11:21] for translations, we have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/FirefoxDesktop [11:21] chrisccoulson_: oh, a brand new automated process? ;) [11:21] lol [11:21] we need to make it automated ;) [11:21] chrisccoulson_: nice work, thanks for tackling that :) [11:22] now, I can just stare at Sweetshark for quicklist and openoffice! [11:22] didrocks, well, it was cdbs who modified the desktop file ;) [11:22] (i just added the extra translations before i uploaded yesterday) [11:23] chrisccoulson_: oh, that's already nice then ;) [11:23] chrisccoulson_: is open a tab before open a window? [11:23] didrocks, i haven't added the open tab item yet [11:23] ok ;) [11:23] I was wondering how it would behave with: [11:23] didrocks, chrisccoulson_: hi [11:24] didrocks, we kept the translations on the wiki to give us the option of adding it later on if we wanted to [11:24] yeah ;) [11:24] but i want to save some space for other quicklist items really ;) [11:24] hey cdbs [11:24] GunnarHj: took a look at the document; this looks great, thanks! [11:24] * pitti follows up to the bug [11:24] chrisccoulson_: agreed, opened a new tab should be more a dynamic QL I think [11:24] chrisccoulson_: and the good news is that I just wired up the latest pieces! [11:25] nice! [11:25] pitti: Good to know, thanks! [11:27] GunnarHj: followed up [11:27] GunnarHj: so in short, I think it'll live well in language-selector itself [11:28] impressive unity changelog again [11:30] (and a lot of spam \o/) [11:34] yeah, i think i migth go and grab a coffee before i read the unity changelog! [11:34] **might [11:34] chrisccoulson_: double dose will be better ) [11:34] :) [11:34] heh :) [11:48] pitti: So the desktop powerpc image is currently oversized, and I have been looking through the seeds trying to work out what could be dropped. Just about everything that is included could be considered as needed. Thoughts? [11:48] pitti: I was thinking of possibly dropping some or all of the games packages, as they take up a fair amount of disk space. [11:49] TheMuso: gnome-games sounds like a good "first against the wall" indeed [11:49] TheMuso: you could win a lot by dropping tomboy and banshee and adding rhythmbox instead, but that would deviate quite a lot [11:49] TheMuso: do we still ship two different kernels there, or why are these so big? [11:49] pitti: Yeah I would really rather only cut things that aren't absolutely necessary. [11:50] TheMuso: I believe we also ship some toolchain bits [11:50] pitti: 2 different kernels for 32-bit and 64-bit powerpc. These kernels could do with a lot of fat being removed, but not enough time this cycle. [11:50] TheMuso: like kernel headers, gcc, etc.; dropping those will also win a lot [11:50] pitti: Kernel headers have been dropped, I could also drop gcc. [11:51] The interesting thing is with the current desktop seeds, the alternate disk is fine size wise. [11:51] TheMuso: we have a lot of bz2/lzma compressed packages, which certainly help a lot [11:51] Ok, I'll drop gnome-games and gcc et al, and we'll see where that leads us. [11:51] Yeah. === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:11] re [12:11] pitti, oh, apport abort -> nice catch! [12:12] pitti, it tells us that it was right to do as well since that one seems to hit quite some users and didn't get reported before [12:12] seb128: right; I just wonder why it failed to extract the message there; it's a normal g_assert.. [12:13] pitti, the stacktrace has "" for the message [12:14] but it should still be in the global variable in the core dumpl. [12:14] .. [12:15] pitti, yeah, not sure, but that also explain why we started getting so indicator sigabrt crashes [12:15] nice that we catch extra bugs [12:15] but I will try to investigate if I ran into one of those locally [12:17] wohooo! non-crashing unity! live is soo good [12:18] * pitti hugs the DX team [12:20] ;-) [12:20] mpt, could you not play close reopen close games on bugs please? it's wasting effort for everybody that could be used in a better way [12:21] so, upload on Friday can make people happy ;) [12:21] seb128, sorry, I don't know what you mean [12:22] mpt, you just reopened a bug that was set invalid because it was not closed with a reference to the other bug [12:23] oh, I thought I marked that one as a duplicate, sorry === rodrigo__ is now known as rodrigo_ [12:24] mpt, ok, sorry for assuming that it was because you disagree with the way the bug was closed (there is a recurrent argument about whether those bugs should be closed or let open until somebody will triage the bug properly) [13:26] Has anyone seen probs with gdm/X after todays updates on Intel? Everytime at the gdm login prompt that I touch the touchpad X crashes and restarts. [13:27] hey pgraner [13:27] mpt is discussing a similar issue on #ubuntu-x at the moment if you want to join that channel [13:31] seb128, thx === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:39] new nux stopped my unity from crashing when I press alt-f2 \o/ [13:40] yeah, and I'm running unity again, too [13:40] it was impossible to stabilize in the last week [13:40] yeah, same here [13:40] it's working great there for a while [13:40] works well so far on my two machines [13:40] you guys probably did something to upset didrocks [13:40] I had loads and loads of crashes lsat week on my nvidia box [13:40] my wife hasn't complained yet, though, and she's still running last weekend's version [13:40] but it seems he got over it and stop hating you ;-) [13:41] seb128: yeah, USER==mvo ;) [13:41] it's like mvo hating me with update-manager [13:41] ;-) [13:41] seb128: dude! [13:41] mvo, alter! [13:41] seb128: I looked at this problem but got confused by all the defer magic and put it on hold :( [13:41] mvo, it's a non issue nowadays since polkit stopped crashing every second use [13:42] I just ran into it today by accident [13:42] it was driving me crazy when polkit was crashing ;-) [13:42] its still something that needs to get fixed [13:42] I hope that glatzor can give me some idea [13:51] mvo: seb128 asked me to make it crashing for your computer :) [13:52] heh [13:52] didrocks: you french … [13:52] "I eat you", isn't it? :p [13:52] lol [13:52] I ate you [13:54] oh right, better with this accent ;) [13:56] seb128, was there something wrong about my evolution-mapi merge? I see it has been uploaded but the merge request has not changed (still Needs Review) [13:56] hi [13:56] no, I just though the autoimporter would close it [13:57] since it's using the standard location [13:57] ah, ok :) [13:58] didrocks, bryceh, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/747205 [13:58] Launchpad bug 747205 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[arrandale] GPU lockup (ESR: 0x00000001 IPEHR: 0x7a005502)" [Undecided,New] [13:58] rickspencer3, it's being handled [13:59] seb128, thanks [13:59] seb128, note I updated teh bug report [13:59] rickspencer3, well it was discussed on the next channel and forwarded upstream, tjaalton is on it [13:59] email sent :) [13:59] with no external monitor, it works fine [13:59] tjaalton, ^ [14:00] oh, that's good info, I guess [14:01] tjaalton, I'll be here for another few hours, if you want me to try anything [14:02] rickspencer3: well, I need to run in a minute, but ping Sarvatt / bryceh to continue from here :) [14:03] k [14:03] thanks tjaalton [14:03] once they're available [14:03] and when ickle has something to share (on the upstream bug [14:03] ) [14:05] didrocks, when can I test if the fix for bug #738864 worked for me? [14:05] Launchpad bug 738864 in compiz "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in free()" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/738864 [14:06] rickspencer3: should be published by now [14:07] rickspencer3: I think this fix was in unity itself, not compiz, let me checkc [14:08] rickspencer3: yeah it is, so you should be able to test with the new unity [14:08] (3.8.2) [14:14] * pitti grabbed the .debs from LP the minute it was built :) [14:16] seb128: see, pitti lives on edge as well ;) [14:17] didrocks, I got it from the mirror now ;-) [14:17] :) [14:17] didrocks, the alt-f2 is still screwed :-( [14:17] ok tell me how it goes, I'll upload if it works [14:17] oh wait! ;-) [14:17] update* [14:17] seb128: how screwed? [14:17] mterry: you're not yet core-dev? I thought so :) [14:17] if you are hitting enter before the model update it doesn't run the command [14:18] didrocks, you hate people who type faster than you right? ;-) [14:18] * didrocks slaps seb128 ;) [14:18] ;-) [14:18] seb128: that's because gord's merge wasn't merged it seems [14:18] ari-tczew, I like to take things slow :) [14:18] and I think nobody thought to revert the "fix committed" status [14:19] mterry: good luck on meeting then [14:19] seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~gordallott/unity/unity-31-03-11-places-fixes/+merge/55765 [14:19] ari-tczew, thanks! [14:19] oh no, the bugs are still opened, all is good [14:20] didrocks, ok [14:20] * mterry HATES April 1st on the Internet [14:21] mterry: my wishes weren't prima aprillis :> [14:21] ari-tczew, I know. Unrelated :) [14:21] okok [14:27] mterry - "I like to take things slow" - perhaps not as slow as me though ;) [14:27] i've been meaning to apply for over a year now ;) [14:28] chrisccoulson_, :) no time like the present [14:29] seb128: ha! I get constantly hit by this bug as well, *type* ssssssllllloooowwwwllllly [14:38] good morn all [15:08] seb128: it could be a good idea to read bug reports, before pasting a boilerplate reply. :) [15:10] Q-FUNK, well I didn't read the bug description but I can't do a lot without a crash report [15:10] Q-FUNK, what stop you to switch to a vt to copy the .crash to an usb disk or something? [15:10] Q-FUNK, or to startx from a vt rather than use gdm [15:10] seb128: appart enabled, but crash not found. [15:11] öö.. apport. [15:11] Q-FUNK, can check Xorg.0.log [15:11] can you [15:11] or /var/log/gdm/... [15:11] woah, my computers a timebomb [15:11] did that [15:11] there is no stacktrace in the logs? === Pici is now known as ZarroBoogs [15:11] non [15:12] none whatsoever [15:12] very weird [15:12] so it's crashing but without dumping a crash or triggering apport [15:12] and gdm only reported x :0 being temporariliy unavailable [15:12] yup [15:12] nothing useful in the /var/log/gdm logs? [15:12] this beingn said, the new synaptics apparently restored basic X operation [15:12] there was a trackpad crash there [15:13] nope. that's the first place I checked [15:13] but yours seems different [15:13] can you figured which of the 2 updates broke for you? [15:13] looking at my /var/crash content, I currently have kernel oopses and python-rsvg crashes. nothing else. [15:15] well, even though I had my mouse plugged-in and was using that, synaptics apparently was the cause nonetheless. [15:15] pitti - you can probably sponsor packagekit from bug 740815 now btw [15:15] Launchpad bug 740815 in xulrunner-1.9.2 "[FFe] Updates to enable us to drop xulrunner from main" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740815 [15:16] that should work now [15:16] as soon as I went and installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu10 directly from LP's build cache and rebooted, the issue was gone. [15:17] chrisccoulson_: oh, nice [15:17] chrisccoulson_: currently working on something else, will do ASAP, though [15:17] pitti - thanks [15:17] Q-FUNK, so your issues are fixed now? [15:19] seb128: basic X operation is back. notification area icons are not. :) [15:19] ok, that's "normal" then ;-) [15:19] heh ;) [15:20] chrisccoulson_, mterry, tedg: bug #743404 seems to happen on compiz crashes if that's useful info [15:20] Launchpad bug 743404 in indicator-appmenu "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in menu_entry_realized()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743404 [15:20] crashes or restarts [15:20] if someone of you want to claim it [15:20] oh, it's assigned to ted already [15:22] rickspencer3: jane's bug is fixed by libdrm 2.4.24. guess we'll need to get that in natty :) [15:22] * tjaalton gone again [15:22] cool tjaalton [15:32] tedg, hey [15:50] rodrigo_, hey [15:50] rodrigo_, bug #649809 an user say he still get it...is there any debug info printf we could had that would be useful? [15:50] Launchpad bug 649809 in gdm "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649809 [15:50] rodrigo_, like is there any way to get the pid which own the xsetting? [15:52] seb128, hmm, via xprop, but I see there is no argument to [15:53] hmm [16:05] seb128, hi [16:05] hey ricotz, how are you? [16:05] seb128, fine, thanks [16:05] seb128, i am looking at rhythmbox 2.91 and noticed that you disabled all patches with the last 0.13 update [16:06] the one yesterday? [16:06] yes [16:06] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/67826042/rhythmbox_0.13.3-0ubuntu3_0.13.3-0ubuntu4.diff.gz [16:07] urg [16:07] ricotz, thanks for noticing! [16:07] I did a ls new_name > series [16:07] seb128, np ;) [16:08] rather than >> [16:09] didrocks, hey, can you do a quick upload for me? [16:09] seb128: sure [16:10] didrocks, debcheckout rhythmbox, ls *.patches > series and upload, thanks to ricotz who noticed [16:10] didrocks, I did a ls new_patch > series rather than >> series yesterday [16:10] seb128: sure, doing ;) [16:10] didrocks, thanks, I'm the middle of some debugging now and can't really build or upload [16:11] no worry! [16:15] gudev-sharp-1.0 was demoted for some reason [16:15] and now banshee is depwait [16:17] whew, what a ride. [16:17] Guys sorry to interrupt after the latest updates if I touch the trackpad my system system restarts to gdm. If I hit enter on gdm then type in my password so I get to unity and then touch the trackpad it restarts to gdm again. is this known? [16:17] Laney: hm, has it ever been in main? It's not on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt either [16:17] pitti: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gudev-sharp-1.0/+publishinghistory [16:18] davmor2, upgrade again, there has been an upload to fix that today [16:18] Laney: ah, in bug 607291 [16:18] Launchpad bug 607291 in taglib-sharp "[MIR] banshee" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607291 [16:18] seb128, that fix disables the two finger scroll (in case that wasn't warranted) [16:18] Laney: was banshee just uploaded? c-m should have it otherwise [16:19] bcurtiswx, ? [16:19] Laney: promoted to main [16:19] bcurtiswx, dunno, ask on #ubuntu-x, I just know the crash is fixed [16:19] pitti: 21 hours ago. I don't know how often it's generated, but if daily then that is fair enough [16:19] seb128, OK [16:19] thanks for fixing [16:19] Laney: hourly actually [16:22] seb128: Confirmed the fix works :) === alecu is now known as alecu-lunch [16:32] seb128, didrocks: did you see a major influx of bug reports today? [16:32] pitti: not really, why? [16:32] didrocks: just curious [16:32] no, suprinsgly quiet (quiet the unity way of course ;)) [16:32] pitti, no but usually the inbox issue happens on monday after betas [16:32] not on friday [16:32] *nod* [16:32] quite some users wait on the weekend it seems [16:32] thanks [16:33] np [16:50] can someone please merge this -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/couchdb-glib/0_7_2_release/+merge/55956 (already uploaded) [16:50] rodrigo_, doing [16:52] seb128, thanks [16:53] rodrigo_, that makes me think about e-d-s btw [16:53] seems we get quite some e-d-s-adressbook crash bugs [16:54] seb128, with u1 addressbooks? [16:54] rodrigo_, afaik not only u1... google has some issues too, and I've had trouble with LDAP recently [16:55] hmm, the evo-.couchdb branch I've got coming fixes a nasty issue with dbus in threads, maybe it's the same for other backends? [16:55] rodrigo_, depends what bugs seb128 is referring to [16:56] seb128, the accompanying evo-couchdb branch -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/evolution-couchdb/0_5_3_release/+merge/55957 (already uploaded also) [16:56] rodrigo_, right, I was just checking your commit in git [16:57] oh, my bfb just changed colour! [16:57] rodrigo_, well, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/720531 [16:57] seb128: Error: bug 720531 not found [16:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/738552 [16:58] seb128: Error: bug 738552 not found [16:58] seb128, I fixed it with an ugly hack, so don't look much at that commit :) [16:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/740181 [16:58] seb128: Error: bug 740181 not found [16:58] seb128, looking [16:58] thanks [16:58] rodrigo_, well the init is not enough [16:59] libdbus is just not safe to use in threads [16:59] seb128, with the _init call it seems so [16:59] it's creating issues in gvfs with libgnome-keyring as well [16:59] seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/720531 is a duplicate of the bug I was fixing with my 2 branches [16:59] rodrigo_: Error: bug 720531 not found [16:59] rodrigo_, can you please close it as duplicate? [16:59] seb128, yeah, gnome-keyring was the cause for the evo-couchdb bug [16:59] thanks [16:59] yes [17:01] hmm, 727370 is already a duplicate of this one [17:01] ah, no [17:01] but lp doesn't let me do it [17:02] seb128, can you try? [17:02] * rodrigo_ looks at the other bugs [17:03] rodrigo_, try to dup which one from which one? [17:03] trying to mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/720531 as dup of https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution-couchdb/+bug/727370 [17:03] rodrigo_: Error: bug 720531 not found [17:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/738552 is another issue [17:04] rodrigo_: Error: bug 738552 not found [17:04] and so is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/740181 [17:04] rodrigo_: Error: bug 740181 not found === jcastro_ is now known as jcastro [17:09] rodrigo_, ok, done, it didn't like the duplicates from the bug you tried to duplicate [17:09] ah ok, thanks! [17:09] rodrigo_, worked after changing the duplicate number for a few of those and retrying [17:09] it was hitting a timeout in launchpad before [17:10] * didrocks waves goodbye [17:10] bye didrocks [17:10] bye rodrigo_ :) [17:10] rodrigo_, btw bug #724640 [17:10] Launchpad bug 724640 in evolution-couchdb "Missing dependency from evolution-couchdb to avahi-daemon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724640 [17:10] didrocks, bye [17:10] seb128: bon week-end! [17:11] seb128, hmm, why would it need to depend on that? [17:12] rodrigo_, dunno, read the bug comment [17:12] rodrigo_, http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch/Documentation/Troubleshooting [17:12] seb128, ah, ok, moving to desktopcouch [17:12] "Verify that you have Avahi running: #506601 Pairing and replication does not work if Avahi is down. " [17:13] rodrigo_, oh right, it's a couchdb thing, not an evo-couchdb one [17:13] thanks ;-) [17:13] yeah, moving it now === alecu-lunch is now known as alecu [17:43] ok, going out for some (hot) air, so have a good weekend all! [17:50] rodrigo_: hot air? lucky you :) [17:51] it's got really cold today in Warsaw :/ [18:02] kklimonda_, hi :) [18:03] ricotz: hey, thanks for your gtkmm 3.0 packaging - I'll try to work on it this weekend [18:03] kklimonda_, your welcome, perhaps this can get an FFe [18:07] ricotz: we'll see :) [18:07] that would be great though [18:13] chrisccoulson, blue bfb is the new claim for attention animation thing ;-) [18:13] seb128 - it's confusing, because it makes me think i should click on it (which just opens the dash, and doesn't actually help) [18:14] seb128, are you ok with these two packages going in the gnome3 ppa? https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing/+packages [18:14] so, if the messaing icon goes blue, i need to click on it. but, if the bfb goes blue, i need to just hover the mouse over it ;) [18:14] that's strange [18:15] re [18:15] how did I close that tab? [18:15] ricotz, I was checking on your ppa [18:15] ricotz, seems fine yes [18:15] ricotz, we usually do merge summaries the other way around though, list the remaining ubuntu changes [18:15] but don't bother for a ppa upload ;-) [18:16] seb128, ok, doing it this way was easier for now [18:17] ricotz, ok [18:19] seb128, the gnome3 environment getting quite complete for my usage [18:20] nice [18:21] seb128, there are some packages in the ppa that are worth to go into natty [18:21] which ones? [18:21] like totem-pl-parser [18:21] mutter, avahi [18:24] ricotz, it's a bit broken that things like totem-pl-parser went in the ppa to start with [18:26] seb128, totem depends on this specific version and the freeze made it necessary [18:28] ricotz, well there should be a merge request or sponsoring upload going with such updates [18:29] seb128, actually i made one for mutter 2.91.92 [18:29] which is obsolete by now [18:30] ricotz, well mutter doesn't interest me but I would have sponsoring the totem-pl-parser update while I was doing sponsoring yesterday if there had been a request for it [18:30] * dobey hopes his freeze exception is granted soon [18:30] dobey, try pinging on #ubuntu-release [18:31] seb128, i see, i was waiting for debian to catch up, so it could be synced === zyga is now known as zyga-brb [18:38] have a nice weekend everyone! [18:39] you too pitti [18:43] pitti, thanks, you as well [18:43] ricotz, right, that's the reason why it was not updated by somebody else in natty as well, we were waiting to sync ;-) [18:44] but from the moment someone do the update it should be trivial to do a merge request against the vcs === zyga-brb is now known as zyga === zyga is now known as zyga-dinner === skaet is now known as skaet_afk === nessita is now known as pamela === pamela is now known as nessita [19:34] using gnome3 ppa, looks like all gtk3 apps are displayed w/ raleigh theme... any way to change/debug this? [19:37] also, network-manager icon is "not found" icon? [19:41] hmm, are the amd64 retracers not working at the moment? === zyga-dinner is now known as zyga === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf === skaet_afk is now known as skaet