[00:00] <tremolux> I think I can just suppress the error message
[00:00] <patrickmw> tremolux, yes
[00:00] <tremolux> actually, if it's just a warning, would that still cause trouble?
[00:00] <tremolux> or do you think that this might actually be something else that causes the issue with Mago?
[00:00] <patrickmw> tremolux, I'm really not sure if that's the root cause of my actual ptoblem
[00:01] <patrickmw> tremolux, sorry for the confusing on that bug, its misplaced
[00:14] <davmor2> kenvandine: I've just noticed a scripting issue on FB like under natty's gwibber {u'count': 1, u'data': [{u'name': u'Rebecca Firstenfeld', u'id': u'1707592767'}]} users liked this it's on jono's lastest post here
[00:16] <kenvandine> davmor2, fixed in 2.91.93 released a couple hours ago
[00:16] <kenvandine> facebook changed their json output...
[00:17] <davmor2> kenvandine: sounds about right :D
[00:27] <davmor2> kenvandine: also typing in facebook or twitter on the main lens (hit the ubuntu icon) does show up gwibber as a suggestion FB shows empathy for chat.
[00:52] <GunnarHj> kenvandine: Hi Ken, available for an urgent problem?
[02:20] <kenvandine> GunnarHj, what's up?
[02:34] <GunnarHj> kenvandine: Hello! It's about a gdm security update in lucid and maverick leading to the backports binaries no longer being the latest versions. I wanted to ask if there is some shortcut available for dealing with the issue. What I'm about to do is making new backports branches that include the update.
[02:36] <micahg> GunnarHj: you just need to open a backports bug with a new version rebased on top of the security update
[02:41] <GunnarHj> micahg: Yes, that's what I thought. (There already are two bugs from people who were surprised... That's why I said to kenvandine that it's urgent.) Thanks!
[02:41] <kenvandine> GunnarHj, cool... i actually don't know much about backports
[02:41] <kenvandine> glad micahg was here :)
[02:43] <GunnarHj> kenvandine, micahg: Yep. Good to know that I'm on the right track.
[02:46] <micahg> GunnarHj: I'd suggest next time just asking the question rather than pinging someone if it's general
[02:48]  * micahg hugs kenvandine 
[02:49] <GunnarHj> micahg: Right. Point taken. :)
[02:49]  * micahg almost tried for ubuntu-backporters
[06:29] <RAOF> chrisccoulson_: Hey, do you still frequently see bug #740126 ?
[06:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740126 in compiz "compiz hangs randomly several times per day" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740126
[06:40] <TheMuso> RAOF: Hrm seems I have a blank screen with nouveau on powerpc, KMS enabled, latest natty kernel. Does this dmesg show you anything in particular as to what may be going on?
[06:40] <TheMuso> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/588125/
[06:41] <RAOF> Mmmmm, TV out :)\
[06:41] <RAOF> I take it that you're not actually trying to do display over the TV output?
[06:42] <TheMuso> No, the card doesn't have one.
[06:42] <TheMuso> The card has a DVI port, and an ADC port (ADC is DVI + power for Apple monitors). I am using teh DVI port with a DVI -> VGA adapter.
[06:43] <RAOF> I presume this worked at one point?
[06:43] <TheMuso> Yeah I think so, I'd need to go back and test prior versions to be sure.
[06:44] <RAOF> Given how awkward radeon support is for macs it wouldn't surprise me that the card doesn't actually have a connector table in there and requires a hand-built table in the driver.
[06:44] <TheMuso> Fnny you should mention radeon for powerpc, with KMS enabled it throws an oops.
[06:44] <TheMuso> I have every intension of filing a bug upstream with the oops to get it addressed.
[06:45] <RAOF> So, nouveau thinks you've got a VGA output, a TMDS output (which would be some form of digital output), and a TV output.
[06:45] <TheMuso> heh right.
[06:45] <TheMuso> Actually the ADC port may do VGA, I am not entirely sure.
[06:45] <RAOF> Furthermore, it's detecting that there's something connected to the TV output :)
[06:46] <TheMuso> haha well that their aint. Let me double check the card, but I am sure there is no TV out on it.
[06:46] <TheMuso> Ok no there isn't.
[06:47] <TheMuso> I'll file a bug upstream about this too.
[06:48] <RAOF> That'd be a winner.
[06:48] <TheMuso> So does the FDO bug tracker deal with dri kernel bugs?
[06:48] <RAOF> Although if there's a kernel that works correctly they're likely to ask you to bisect; I don't think many nouveau developers have a mac for testing.
[06:49] <TheMuso> Right, I need to backtrack to an earlier kernel.
[06:49] <TheMuso> to see what I can find out.
[06:50] <RAOF> I'd file it under xorg/drivers/nouveau; intel and radeon have DRI/drm/intel and DRI/drm/radeon respectively, but nouveau isn't there.
[06:50] <TheMuso> ok
[06:51] <bryceh> TheMuso, yes bugs@fdo handles dri kernel bugs
[06:51] <TheMuso> Will get to all of that on the weekend hopefully.
[06:51] <TheMuso> bryceh, RAOF, thanks.
[06:51] <bryceh> TheMuso, I've a tool you can use to help with the bug forwarding - http://www.bryceharrington.org/cgi-bin/send_upstream.cgi
[06:52] <TheMuso> bryceh: Thanks. I don't think there are any LP bugs for this, I plan to file upstream directly.
[06:52] <bryceh> alrighty
[07:04] <RAOF> The problem with the 1st of April is that you can neven be sure whether the delay of GNOME 3.0 to September is a joke or not…
[07:04] <bryceh> heh
[07:05] <bryceh> RAOF, btw wanted to ask if you'd given thought to any UDS sessions we might want to hold?
[07:05] <RAOF> I've given some thought, but haven't really come up with anything.
[07:05] <bryceh> yeah same
[07:06] <RAOF> I'd like to work out whether we can ship libdxtn, but that's hardly a session.
[07:06] <bryceh> yeah there's some toolish things I'm interested in but dunno that it's of very widespread interest
[07:07] <RAOF> There are probably enough Xers now to justify having a session.
[07:07] <RAOF> Oh!
[07:07] <RAOF> Yes.  Session: what drivers to drop from -all.
[07:08] <bryceh> mmm
[07:08] <jcastro> RAOF: I was thinking the exact same thing wrt. the gnome thing
[07:08] <bryceh> reminds me with beta out I can cleanup the arm drivers list
[07:09] <RAOF> jcastro: It looks plausible, but how soon is GTK4, really?
[07:09] <bryceh> RAOF, yeah we should probably have a general X meeting like normal, and maybe another canonical-x internal one
[07:10] <didrocks> good morning
[07:10] <bryceh> hi didrocks
[07:10] <didrocks> hey bryceh!
[07:10] <bryceh> wow, we didn't even use the word 'blueprint' and jcastro showed up :-)
[07:10] <bryceh> didrocks, how're things?  X working better for you?
[07:11] <RAOF> bryceh: And possibly another stakeholders meeting; again, I'd like a venue for our internal consumers of X to say ‘we'd like it to be able to do $THING’.
[07:11] <bryceh> RAOF, the 8xx'ers have been piling on the bug tracker a lot the last few days.  :-/  I feel really bad continually telling them "no support for you!"
[07:11] <jcastro> bryceh: I am watching for outliers to the naming convention.
[07:12] <didrocks> bryceh: you mean the "magnetic" issue? It's even worst! so, loicm has it as well. Surprinsingly, I don't get it at all with multimonior and twinview, just on single monitor with twinview deactivated
[07:12] <didrocks> bryceh: apart from that, in a rush, but everything's generally fine, thanks ;)
[07:12] <didrocks> and you?
[07:12] <bryceh> didrocks, that's the one
[07:12] <bryceh> didrocks, yep doing good.
[07:13] <RAOF> bryceh: I keep seeing a handful of ‘855 is special, don't step on its toes’ commits floating past.  It's somewhat surprising that it *ever* worked *at all* :)
[07:13] <bryceh> my 1.5 yr old son likes to hang out in the garage with me, so today I made him a little workbench.  He likes to bang nails into the wood and explore my parts drawers
[07:14] <bryceh> and he's learned how to climb the ladder out there...  :-+
[07:15] <bryceh> RAOF, so far most of the 8xx bugs have resembled other bugs we're seeing on 9xx so maybe they're just general issues
[07:19] <GunnarHj> Good morning! Anybody with gdm upload rights who can sponsor me with bug 746694? Think it should be considered an urgent matter...
[07:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746694 in maverick-backports "GDM_LANG overrides my locales" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746694
[07:24] <pitti> Good morning
[07:25] <didrocks> hey pitti
[07:26] <micahg> GunnarHj: backports don't work like that, I believe you need approval before it can be uploaded
[07:26] <micahg> GunnarHj: can we move to -devel?
[07:26] <GunnarHj> micahg: Ok.
[07:27] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ca va?
[07:28] <didrocks> pitti: I'm fine thanks :) you?
[07:46] <pitti> didrocks: aaah, intltool!
[07:46] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, it was the little guilty guy! ;)
[08:07]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[08:07] <pitti> didrocks: ... but it says "There is no easter-egg!"!!!11!!one!
[08:07]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[08:08] <Sweetshark> Morning all!
[08:08] <didrocks> pitti: but is telling not having one is already having one? :-)
[08:08] <pitti> hey Sweetshark, how are you?
[08:08] <didrocks> pitti: was a cheap and the less full-bug way to get it! :-)
[08:08] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark
[08:09] <pitti> didrocks: I think this question brings this prank to an unduly high philosophical level
[08:09] <desrt> pranks?
[08:09] <didrocks> pitti: exactly, like "you have 4 hours" :)
[08:09] <desrt> where?  i love pranks
[08:09] <Sweetshark> pitti: a bit stressed by the deadlines (there is one every week -- today: 3.4 branchoff) but otherwise fine ;)
[08:09] <pitti> <jedi wave>There is no prank; I'm all 100% serious about this
[08:10] <Sweetshark> didrocks: is that bug I mailed you fitting?
[08:10] <bryceh> heya guys good mornings
[08:10] <pitti> hey bryceh
[08:10] <didrocks> Sweetshark: I think it does, right
[08:13] <Sweetshark> Anyone already having a "best of" of this years april fools already? Something like slashdots OMG Ponys or http://blog.thebehrens.net/2009/04/01/how-openofficeorg-will-switch-to-a-dscm/
[08:19] <pitti> Sweetshark: still a bit early in the day, isn't it?
[08:25] <Sweetshark> pitti: well, yeah. so its even more important not to be caught halfawake of some shocking news that is really just a joke. I remember my hyperventilating as pretty badly as a gentoo zealot back then, when I read this:http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030401-newsletter.xml#doc_chap1_sect2
[08:25] <pitti> Sweetshark: heh, I remember that one
[08:34] <vish> FISHWARE!!!
[08:35] <micahg> vishware?
[08:35] <vish> Bug #747014
[08:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747014 in unity "Major Natty regression: No fish!" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/747014
[08:37] <Sweetshark> I think the gentoo folks started to get careful after some people said "thats a great idea!" after reading about geNToo (gentoo on windows) ...
[08:44] <didrocks> wooowwww first ABI stable nux update!
[08:46] <RAOF> didrocks: I thought that was technically impossible for C++ ABIs :P
[08:47] <didrocks> RAOF: Neil made a list minute commit to change just a slightely issue with nux trunk and it fixes the ABI break issue for this release (at least ;))
[08:47] <didrocks> RAOF: so, zomg, that means that you can push C++ code and not breaking the ABI!
[08:47]  * didrocks is *shocked*
[09:01] <mvo> didrocks: dude, we do it all the time with libapt ;) its a PAIN though. does he know about the abichecker script that we use in libapt?
[09:02] <didrocks> mvo: oh no!
[09:02] <didrocks> mvo: link link link? ;-)
[09:02]  * didrocks will add that to his release script
[09:03] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:04] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_
[09:04] <rodrigo_> hi didrocks
[09:05] <mvo> didrocks: http://ispras.linux-foundation.org/index.php/ABI_compliance_checker , check lp:apt and there abicheck/run_abi_test for a example of the usage, works really well for us
[09:05] <mvo> I even bloged about it a good while ago (shocking!) http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/goodbye-accidental-abi-breaks/
[09:05] <mvo> its really cool stuff
[09:07] <mvo> whoever did "revert button layout" in the appearence properties is my hero-of-the-hour
[09:08] <didrocks> mvo: when you change the theme with a custom layout?
[09:08] <mvo> yeah
[09:08] <mvo> well, I have [x] title [min][max] since about forever
[09:09] <didrocks> mvo: I did that in lucid dude! time to ugprade! ;)
[09:09] <mvo> and a theme change used to just kill that, now I can just revert
[09:09] <mvo> hm? first time I see it, it usually just killed my custom window manager layout settings
[09:10] <mvo> anyway, /me hugs did'hero-of-the-hour'rocks
[09:14] <didrocks> mvo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:2.30.0-0ubuntu2 (if (previoustheme->button_layout && (strcmp (previoustheme->button_layout, tmpbutton_layout) != 0)))
[09:14] <didrocks> mvo: from the first implementation ;)
[09:15] <didrocks> mvo: seems that ken touched it again in February, pretty sure it worked on lucid, but didn't test it since (seems that themes can be saved in a file now, so maybe it impacted it)
[09:16] <mvo> odd really, but I don't complain that it works now for me :)
[09:18] <huats> mornin
[09:37] <seb128> one cycle later and update-manager still trigger apport if you close the password dialog by error :-(
[09:44] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, it also says lots of apps have crashed, when they haven't, as in last cycle, iirc
[09:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, hey
[09:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, what? apport?
[09:44] <rodrigo_> yes
[09:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, well it catches python exceptions
[09:44] <rodrigo_> hi seb128 btw :)
[09:44] <rodrigo_> ah, ok
[09:44] <seb128> uncaught exceptions rather
[09:44] <seb128> well the apport dialog is ok
[09:44] <rodrigo_> yes, it indeed happens in python apps, like accerciser
[09:45] <seb128> what is annoying is that update-manager hangs for 5 minutes then
[09:45] <seb128> like it goes waiting for a timeout
[09:45] <seb128> with the ui blocked while it does that
[09:45] <mvo> seb128: let me look at this
[09:45] <seb128> mvo, hey
[09:45] <seb128> mvo, sorry to keep ranting about your softwares, I still love you ;-)
[09:47] <rodrigo_> :)
[09:48] <chrisccoulson_> good morning everyone
[09:52] <seb128> lol
[09:52] <seb128> GNOME3 delayed to septembre then
[09:52] <seb128> we are on track for it ;-)
[09:53] <seb128> http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/2011-04-gnome-3.0-rescheduled.html
[09:53] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson_
[09:53] <chrisccoulson_> hi seb128, how are you?
[09:54] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[09:54] <chrisccoulson_> yeah, i just saw the announcement too
[09:54] <chrisccoulson_> perhaps we should delay natty until then? ;)
[09:54]  * chrisccoulson_ runs
[09:54]  * desrt shakes his head
[09:54] <chrisccoulson_> hi desrt!
[09:55] <desrt> hey :)
[09:55] <desrt> i don't think it really makes sense for you guys to delay natty
[09:55] <desrt> gnome is merely one of your upstreams
[09:56] <seb128> desrt, I think that was a joke ;-)
[09:56] <desrt> they did the 6 month delay so that gnome3 will sync up with your next release
[09:56] <desrt> seb128: ah.  of course.
[09:56] <chrisccoulson_> desrt - so, gtk 4 coming soon too? (according to the announcement). you don't happen to know how soon do you?
[09:56] <desrt> i'm in a bit of an annoyed mood today because of the announcement
[09:56] <seb128> desrt, why? seems an ok decision
[09:56] <desrt> chrisccoulson_: we were saying on the order of 1 year, but i think it may be more like 1.5-2
[09:57] <chrisccoulson_> desrt, ok, that's not too bad :)
[09:57] <desrt> so i'm not sure that delaying for gtk4 is really a good idea
[09:57] <seb128> desrt, it feels border line ready, could be shipped as a bit shacky but a 6 month delay will make it great
[09:57] <chrisccoulson_> one of the redhat firefox maintainers is currently porting to gtk3, but i had a thought there that gtk4 might come along before it's reviewed and landed ;)
[09:57] <desrt> does that mean you guys will switch to it in 6 months? :)
[09:58] <seb128> desrt, btw seems people realize at least now that using firefox non public stable bits can bite
[09:58] <desrt> seb128: i realised this a long time ago and tried to get them to change to seed
[09:58] <desrt> but i understand why they feel that 'yield' is really essential
[09:58] <desrt> it's a bit of a difficult problem, really :/
[09:58] <seb128> yeah...
[09:58] <desrt> i think they may try to do a private library now
[09:59] <chrisccoulson_> it's not too much of a problem now, as we have a proper spidermonkey lib in ubuntu ;)
[09:59] <seb128> desrt, "will switch to it", it being GNOME3 I was going to say "yes for sure"
[09:59] <seb128> but that gtk4 point you raise makes me nervous
[09:59] <desrt> seb128: shell :)
[09:59] <seb128> like we don't want to do another GTK transition before the next lts
[09:59] <desrt> gtk4 is at least a year out
[09:59] <seb128> ok great
[10:00] <desrt> maybe 2
[10:04] <rodrigo_> vuntz, hey, what's the april fools joke, the delay of 3.0 or the tarballs due on Monday?
[10:06] <seb128> doh, I didn't even check what day we are
[10:06] <rodrigo_> seb128, :)
[10:08] <desrt> rodrigo_: bad boy
[10:08] <rodrigo_> desrt, well, I'm confused, since he sent the 2 mails at the same time
[10:09] <rodrigo_> desrt, ah, you were trying to confuse seb128? :)
[10:09] <seb128> rodrigo_, I would assume the real email is tarball due
[10:09] <rodrigo_> seb128, :)
[10:09] <chrisccoulson_> lol
[10:10] <desrt> we'll never tell!
[10:10] <desrt> ....until tomorrow
[10:10] <rodrigo_> :D
[10:10] <seb128> let's say I don't find official joke announces as fun jokes
[10:11] <seb128> that's why I tend to don't read news on that day if they don't come via email in my inbox ;-)
[10:12] <desrt> seb128: i think you do have a point though
[10:12] <desrt> gnome3 is certainly not a kde4
[10:12] <desrt> but it's also not 100%
[10:12] <seb128> the delay would be credible if the goal was to have something high quality
[10:13] <seb128> it's also fine to ship it as it this cycle
[10:13] <desrt> 3.2 will obviously be a better release
[10:13] <desrt> seb128: the code is actually pretty high quality right now
[10:13] <seb128> was gtk4 in the next year or two also an april joke?
[10:13] <desrt> just a few rough edges, like everyone else
[10:13] <desrt> no
[10:13] <seb128> ok ;-)
[10:13] <desrt> we've been planning that for a while
[10:13] <desrt> we're planning our next hackfest in september
[10:14] <desrt> maybe somewhere nice in france :)
[10:14] <rodrigo_> seb128, yeah, don't trust desrt today
[10:14] <desrt> hey!  don't blame me!
[10:14] <pitti> seb128: how sure are you that bug 740765 really started with 1:2.32.2.1-0ubuntu9?
[10:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740765 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740765
[10:15] <desrt> so omgubuntu seemed quite convinced...
[10:15] <pitti> seb128: I can't see how http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?h=gnome-2-32&id=9142d259dcaa6b011604cbd560b94ce31d314b88 can possibly cause this..
[10:15] <seb128> pitti, I just matched the day we started receiving bugs about that and the uploads
[10:15]  * pitti scratching head
[10:15] <seb128> pitti, well of course it could be a side effect of some other lib change
[10:17] <pitti> hm, omgubuntu -> wasn't that xkcd a couple of years back?
[10:19] <seb128> pitti, it doesn't make to me either that this commit would create the bug...
[10:19] <vish> well, i guess desrt nailed the coffin with his support ;p
[10:19] <desrt> vish: ?
[10:19] <vish> desrt: "I support release team"
[10:20] <vish> desrt: ha! just checked the tags on that OMG post, it says "fooled you"
[10:21] <vish> but still people are wildly debating there :p
[10:21] <desrt> dbarth_: ping
[10:27] <dbarth_> desrt: hi
[10:28]  * Sweetshark wonders if we should join the Canterbury project ...
[10:31] <pitti> Sweetshark: I heard it's great!
[10:35] <Sweetshark> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35859
[10:35] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 35859 in Localisation "Missing string in french translation" [Normal,New]
[10:36] <Sweetshark> ^- that one is esp. for our french zealots here ...
[10:36] <seb128> got to go for some errands, be back in one hour
[10:37] <pitti> seb128: hah, I know
[10:42] <rickspencer3> seb128, pitti, vish, desrt ... beta 1 is out, whats the work on the street?
[10:42] <pitti> rickspencer3: you mean "how's the whale in the Thames?"
[10:42] <rickspencer3> pitti,  uuh
[10:43] <rickspencer3> I am not familiar with that particular vernacular, but sure!
[10:43] <pitti> rickspencer3: can you please look out of the window and confirm what google maps shows?
[10:43] <vish> s/whale/narwhal
[10:43] <rickspencer3> how's the whale in the Tames?
[10:43] <rickspencer3> lol
[10:43] <rickspencer3> let me see
[10:43] <pitti> if it's still there, please wave to him for me, would you?
[10:43] <rickspencer3> yes, there is a whale
[10:43] <rickspencer3> well, there's already a crowd
[10:45] <rickspencer3> it is a narhwal, actually, I think
[10:45] <rickspencer3> and it appears to be yellow
[10:45] <rickspencer3> anywhoooo, whales aside, any response to beta 1 so far?
[10:46] <pitti> rickspencer3: didn't hear much yet
[10:46] <rickspencer3> hmmmm
[10:46] <rickspencer3> I guess that's good from a quality POV, but not so good from a popularity pov ;)
[11:02] <GunnarHj> pitti: Have you read the comments on bug 742857? Because of them, I'm about to convert the proposed document to a help document belonging to language-selector. Thought I'd ask for your general view first, to not reach another deadlock.
[11:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 742857 in ubuntu-docs "i18n matters ought to be properly documented" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742857
[11:04] <pitti> GunnarHj: hm, this is more developer oriented, isn't it? I wonder if it would be better suited in the wiki
[11:06] <GunnarHj> pitti: My intention was to write a document for users. What makes you think it's developer oriented?
[11:07] <pitti> GunnarHj: the other bug comments so far (haven't looked at the actual document yet, was too busy with beta-1 release)
[11:12] <GunnarHj> pitti: I see. It is a little more than "click this, select X from that, ...", but aiming for users.
[11:12] <pitti> GunnarHj: ah, ok; language-selector help sounds great then
[11:13] <GunnarHj> pitti: Then I'll make a try.
[11:18] <chrisccoulson_> finally, i've figured out how to write a working mochitest for firefox \o/
[11:18] <pitti> mochitest?
[11:19] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mochitest
[11:19] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: hey, did you have the time to add a static quicklist to firefox (see
[11:19] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/747128
[11:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747128 in unity "open new firefox window" [Undecided,New]
[11:19] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - i need to write a test for making sure that scrolling works when you select text in a scrolled area
[11:19] <didrocks> (well, it needs to fiddling with dpm about the .desktop translation)
[11:20] <chrisccoulson_> which means synthesizing fake mouse events and stuff like that ;)
[11:20] <chrisccoulson_> didrocks, i uploaded it yesterday ;)
[11:20] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: awesome \o/
[11:20] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: how did you dealt with i18n?
[11:21] <chrisccoulson_> didrocks, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2011-March/010406.html
[11:21] <chrisccoulson_> for translations, we have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/FirefoxDesktop
[11:21] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: oh, a brand new automated process? ;)
[11:21] <chrisccoulson_> lol
[11:21] <chrisccoulson_> we need to make it automated ;)
[11:21] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: nice work, thanks for tackling that :)
[11:22] <didrocks> now, I can just stare at Sweetshark for quicklist and openoffice!
[11:22] <chrisccoulson_> didrocks, well, it was cdbs who modified the desktop file ;)
[11:22] <chrisccoulson_> (i just added the extra translations before i uploaded yesterday)
[11:23] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: oh, that's already nice then ;)
[11:23] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: is open a tab before open a window?
[11:23] <chrisccoulson_> didrocks, i haven't added the open tab item yet
[11:23] <didrocks> ok ;)
[11:23] <didrocks> I was wondering how it would behave with:
[11:23] <cdbs> didrocks, chrisccoulson_: hi
[11:24] <chrisccoulson_> didrocks, we kept the translations on the wiki to give us the option of adding it later on if we wanted to
[11:24] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[11:24] <chrisccoulson_> but i want to save some space for other quicklist items really ;)
[11:24] <didrocks> hey cdbs
[11:24] <pitti> GunnarHj: took a look at the document; this looks great, thanks!
[11:24]  * pitti follows up to the bug
[11:24] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: agreed, opened a new tab should be more a dynamic QL I think
[11:24] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: and the good news is that I just wired up the latest pieces!
[11:25] <chrisccoulson_> nice!
[11:25] <GunnarHj> pitti: Good to know, thanks!
[11:27] <pitti> GunnarHj: followed up
[11:27] <pitti> GunnarHj: so in short, I think it'll live well in language-selector itself
[11:28] <pitti> impressive unity changelog again
[11:30] <didrocks> (and a lot of spam \o/)
[11:34] <chrisccoulson_> yeah, i think i migth go and grab a coffee before i read the unity changelog!
[11:34] <chrisccoulson_> **might
[11:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: double dose will be better )
[11:34] <didrocks> :)
[11:34] <chrisccoulson_> heh :)
[11:48] <TheMuso> pitti: So the desktop powerpc image is currently oversized, and I have been looking through the seeds trying to work out what could be dropped. Just about everything that is included could be considered as needed. Thoughts?
[11:48] <TheMuso> pitti: I was thinking of possibly dropping some or all of the games packages, as they take up a fair amount of disk space.
[11:49] <pitti> TheMuso: gnome-games sounds like a good "first against the wall" indeed
[11:49] <pitti> TheMuso: you could win a lot by dropping tomboy and banshee and adding rhythmbox instead, but that would deviate quite a lot
[11:49] <pitti> TheMuso: do we still ship two different kernels there, or why are these so big?
[11:49] <TheMuso> pitti: Yeah I would really rather only cut things that aren't absolutely necessary.
[11:50] <pitti> TheMuso: I believe we also ship some toolchain bits
[11:50] <TheMuso> pitti: 2 different kernels for 32-bit and 64-bit powerpc. These kernels could do with a lot of fat being removed, but not enough time this cycle.
[11:50] <pitti> TheMuso: like kernel headers, gcc, etc.; dropping those will also win a lot
[11:50] <TheMuso> pitti: Kernel headers have been dropped, I could also drop gcc.
[11:51] <TheMuso> The interesting thing is with the current desktop seeds, the alternate disk is fine size wise.
[11:51] <pitti> TheMuso: we have a lot of bz2/lzma compressed packages, which certainly help a lot
[11:51] <TheMuso> Ok, I'll drop gnome-games and gcc et al, and we'll see where that leads us.
[11:51] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[12:11] <seb128> re
[12:11] <seb128> pitti, oh, apport abort -> nice catch!
[12:12] <seb128> pitti, it tells us that it was right to do as well since that one seems to hit quite some users and didn't get reported before
[12:12] <pitti> seb128: right; I just wonder why it failed to extract the message there; it's a normal g_assert..
[12:13] <seb128> pitti, the stacktrace has "<value optimized out>" for the message
[12:14] <pitti> but it should still be in the global variable in the core dumpl.
[12:14] <pitti> ..
[12:15] <seb128> pitti, yeah, not sure, but that also explain why we started getting so indicator sigabrt crashes
[12:15] <seb128> nice that we catch extra bugs
[12:15] <seb128> but I will try to investigate if I ran into one of those locally
[12:17] <pitti> wohooo! non-crashing unity! live is soo good
[12:18]  * pitti hugs the DX team
[12:20] <seb128> ;-)
[12:20] <seb128> mpt, could you not play close reopen close games on bugs please? it's wasting effort for everybody that could be used in a better way
[12:21] <didrocks> so, upload on Friday can make people happy ;)
[12:21] <mpt> seb128, sorry, I don't know what you mean
[12:22] <seb128> mpt, you just reopened a bug that was set invalid because it was not closed with a reference to the other bug
[12:23] <mpt> oh, I thought I marked that one as a duplicate, sorry
[12:24] <seb128> mpt, ok, sorry for assuming that it was because you disagree with the way the bug was closed (there is a recurrent argument about whether those bugs should be closed or let open until somebody will triage the bug properly)
[13:26] <pgraner> Has anyone seen probs with gdm/X after todays updates on Intel? Everytime at the gdm login prompt that I touch the touchpad X crashes and restarts.
[13:27] <seb128> hey pgraner
[13:27] <seb128> mpt is discussing a similar issue on #ubuntu-x at the moment if you want to join that channel
[13:31] <pgraner> seb128, thx
[13:39] <mvo> new nux stopped my unity from crashing when I press alt-f2 \o/
[13:40] <pitti> yeah, and I'm running unity again, too
[13:40] <pitti> it was impossible to stabilize in the last week
[13:40] <mvo> yeah, same here
[13:40] <seb128> it's working great there for a while
[13:40] <mvo> works well so far on my two machines
[13:40] <seb128> you guys probably did something to upset didrocks
[13:40] <mvo> I had loads and loads of crashes lsat week on my nvidia box
[13:40] <pitti> my wife hasn't complained yet, though, and she's still running last weekend's version
[13:40] <seb128> but it seems he got over it and stop hating you ;-)
[13:41] <mvo> seb128: yeah, USER==mvo ;)
[13:41] <seb128> it's like mvo hating me with update-manager
[13:41] <seb128> ;-)
[13:41] <mvo> seb128: dude!
[13:41] <seb128> mvo, alter!
[13:41] <mvo> seb128: I looked at this problem but got confused by all the defer magic and put it on hold :(
[13:41] <seb128> mvo, it's a non issue nowadays since polkit stopped crashing every second use
[13:42] <seb128> I just ran into it today by accident
[13:42] <seb128> it was driving me crazy when polkit was crashing ;-)
[13:42] <mvo> its still something that needs to get fixed
[13:42] <mvo> I hope that glatzor can give me some idea
[13:51] <didrocks> mvo: seb128 asked me to make it crashing for your computer :)
[13:52] <seb128> heh
[13:52] <mvo> didrocks: you french …
[13:52] <didrocks> "I eat you", isn't it? :p
[13:52] <mvo> lol
[13:52] <mvo> I ate you
[13:54] <didrocks> oh right, better with this accent ;)
[13:56] <cyphermox> seb128, was there something wrong about my evolution-mapi merge? I see it has been uploaded but the merge request has not changed (still Needs Review)
[13:56] <seb128> hi
[13:56] <seb128> no, I just though the autoimporter would close it
[13:57] <seb128> since it's using the standard location
[13:57] <cyphermox> ah, ok :)
[13:58] <rickspencer3> didrocks, bryceh, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/747205
[13:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747205 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[arrandale] GPU lockup (ESR: 0x00000001 IPEHR: 0x7a005502)" [Undecided,New]
[13:58] <seb128> rickspencer3, it's being handled
[13:59] <rickspencer3> seb128, thanks
[13:59] <rickspencer3> seb128, note I updated teh bug report
[13:59] <seb128> rickspencer3, well it was discussed on the next channel and forwarded upstream, tjaalton is on it
[13:59] <didrocks> email sent :)
[13:59] <rickspencer3> with no external monitor, it works fine
[13:59] <seb128> tjaalton, ^
[14:00] <tjaalton> oh, that's good info, I guess
[14:01] <rickspencer3> tjaalton, I'll be here for another few hours, if you want me to try anything
[14:02] <tjaalton> rickspencer3: well, I need to run in a minute, but ping Sarvatt / bryceh to continue from here :)
[14:03] <rickspencer3> k
[14:03] <rickspencer3> thanks tjaalton
[14:03] <tjaalton> once they're available
[14:03] <tjaalton> and when ickle has something to share (on the upstream bug
[14:03] <tjaalton> )
[14:05] <rickspencer3> didrocks, when can I test if the fix for bug #738864 worked for me?
[14:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 738864 in compiz "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in free()" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/738864
[14:06] <didrocks> rickspencer3: should be published by now
[14:07] <didrocks> rickspencer3: I think this fix was in unity itself, not compiz, let me checkc
[14:08] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yeah it is, so you should be able to test with the new unity
[14:08] <didrocks> (3.8.2)
[14:14]  * pitti grabbed the .debs from LP the minute it was built :)
[14:16] <didrocks> seb128: see, pitti lives on edge as well ;)
[14:17] <seb128> didrocks, I got it from the mirror now ;-)
[14:17] <didrocks> :)
[14:17] <seb128> didrocks, the alt-f2 is still screwed :-(
[14:17] <didrocks> ok tell me how it goes, I'll upload if it works
[14:17] <didrocks> oh wait! ;-)
[14:17] <didrocks> update*
[14:17] <didrocks> seb128: how screwed?
[14:17] <ari-tczew> mterry: you're not yet core-dev? I thought so :)
[14:17] <seb128> if you are hitting enter before the model update it doesn't run the command
[14:18] <seb128> didrocks, you hate people who type faster than you right? ;-)
[14:18]  * didrocks slaps seb128 ;)
[14:18] <seb128> ;-)
[14:18] <didrocks> seb128: that's because gord's merge wasn't merged it seems
[14:18] <mterry> ari-tczew, I like to take things slow  :)
[14:18] <didrocks> and I think nobody thought to revert the "fix committed" status
[14:19] <ari-tczew> mterry: good luck on meeting then
[14:19] <didrocks> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~gordallott/unity/unity-31-03-11-places-fixes/+merge/55765
[14:19] <mterry> ari-tczew, thanks!
[14:19] <didrocks> oh no, the bugs are still opened, all is good
[14:20] <seb128> didrocks, ok
[14:20]  * mterry HATES April 1st on the Internet
[14:21] <ari-tczew> mterry: my wishes weren't prima aprillis :>
[14:21] <mterry> ari-tczew, I know.  Unrelated  :)
[14:21] <ari-tczew> okok
[14:27] <chrisccoulson_> mterry - "I like to take things slow" - perhaps not as slow as me though ;)
[14:27] <chrisccoulson_> i've been meaning to apply for over a year now ;)
[14:28] <mterry> chrisccoulson_, :)  no time like the present
[14:29] <mvo> seb128: ha! I get constantly hit by this bug as well, *t<pause>y<pause>p<pause>e* ssssssllllloooowwwwllllly
[14:38] <bcurtiswx> good morn all
[15:08] <Q-FUNK> seb128: it could be a good idea to read bug reports, before pasting a boilerplate reply. :)
[15:10] <seb128> Q-FUNK, well I didn't read the bug description but I can't do a lot without a crash report
[15:10] <seb128> Q-FUNK, what stop you to switch to a vt to copy the .crash to an usb disk or something?
[15:10] <seb128> Q-FUNK, or to startx from a vt rather than use gdm
[15:10] <Q-FUNK> seb128: appart enabled, but crash not found.
[15:11] <Q-FUNK> öö.. apport.
[15:11] <seb128> Q-FUNK, can check Xorg.0.log
[15:11] <seb128> can you
[15:11] <seb128> or /var/log/gdm/...
[15:11] <bcurtiswx> woah, my computers a timebomb
[15:11] <Q-FUNK> did that
[15:11] <seb128> there is no stacktrace in the logs?
[15:11] <Q-FUNK> non
[15:12] <Q-FUNK> none whatsoever
[15:12] <seb128> very weird
[15:12] <seb128> so it's crashing but without dumping a crash or triggering apport
[15:12] <Q-FUNK> and gdm only reported x :0 being temporariliy unavailable
[15:12] <Q-FUNK> yup
[15:12] <seb128> nothing useful in the /var/log/gdm logs?
[15:12] <Q-FUNK> this beingn said, the new synaptics apparently restored basic X operation
[15:12] <seb128> there was a trackpad crash there
[15:13] <Q-FUNK> nope.  that's the first place I checked
[15:13] <seb128> but yours seems different
[15:13] <seb128> can you figured which of the 2 updates broke for you?
[15:13] <Q-FUNK> looking at my /var/crash content, I currently have kernel oopses and python-rsvg crashes.  nothing else.
[15:15] <Q-FUNK> well, even though I had my mouse plugged-in and was using that, synaptics apparently was the cause nonetheless.
[15:15] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - you can probably sponsor packagekit from bug 740815 now btw
[15:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740815 in xulrunner-1.9.2 "[FFe] Updates to enable us to drop xulrunner from main" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740815
[15:16] <chrisccoulson_> that should work now
[15:16] <Q-FUNK> as soon as I went and installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu10 directly from LP's build cache and rebooted, the issue was gone.
[15:17] <pitti> chrisccoulson_: oh, nice
[15:17] <pitti> chrisccoulson_: currently working on something else, will do ASAP, though
[15:17] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - thanks
[15:17] <seb128> Q-FUNK, so your issues are fixed now?
[15:19] <Q-FUNK> seb128: basic X operation is back.   notification area icons are not. :)
[15:19] <seb128> ok, that's "normal" then ;-)
[15:19] <Q-FUNK> heh ;)
[15:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson_, mterry, tedg: bug #743404 seems to happen on compiz crashes if that's useful info
[15:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 743404 in indicator-appmenu "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in menu_entry_realized()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743404
[15:20] <seb128> crashes or restarts
[15:20] <seb128> if someone of you want to claim it
[15:20] <seb128> oh, it's assigned to ted already
[15:22] <tjaalton> rickspencer3: jane's bug is fixed by libdrm 2.4.24. guess we'll need to get that in natty :)
[15:22]  * tjaalton gone again
[15:22] <rickspencer3> cool tjaalton
[15:32] <seb128> tedg, hey
[15:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, hey
[15:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, bug #649809 an user say he still get it...is there any debug info printf we could had that would be useful?
[15:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 649809 in gdm "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649809
[15:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, like is there any way to get the pid which own the xsetting?
[15:52] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, via xprop, but I see there is no argument to
[15:53] <rodrigo_> hmm
[16:05] <ricotz> seb128, hi
[16:05] <seb128> hey ricotz, how are you?
[16:05] <ricotz> seb128, fine, thanks
[16:05] <ricotz> seb128, i am looking at rhythmbox 2.91 and noticed that you disabled all patches with the last 0.13 update
[16:06] <seb128> the one yesterday?
[16:06] <ricotz> yes
[16:06] <ricotz> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/67826042/rhythmbox_0.13.3-0ubuntu3_0.13.3-0ubuntu4.diff.gz
[16:07] <seb128> urg
[16:07] <seb128> ricotz, thanks for noticing!
[16:07] <seb128> I did a ls new_name > series
[16:07] <ricotz> seb128, np ;)
[16:08] <seb128> rather than >>
[16:09] <seb128> didrocks, hey, can you do a quick upload for me?
[16:09] <didrocks> seb128: sure
[16:10] <seb128> didrocks, debcheckout rhythmbox, ls *.patches > series and upload, thanks to ricotz who noticed
[16:10] <seb128> didrocks, I did a ls new_patch > series rather than >> series yesterday
[16:10] <didrocks> seb128: sure, doing ;)
[16:10] <seb128> didrocks, thanks, I'm the middle of some debugging now and can't really build or upload
[16:11] <didrocks> no worry!
[16:15] <Laney> gudev-sharp-1.0 was demoted for some reason
[16:15] <Laney> and now banshee is depwait
[16:17] <bcurtiswx> whew, what a ride.
[16:17] <davmor2> Guys sorry to interrupt after the latest updates if I touch the trackpad my system system restarts to gdm.  If I hit enter on gdm then type in my password so I get to unity and then touch the trackpad it restarts to gdm again.  is this known?
[16:17] <pitti> Laney: hm, has it ever been in main? It's not on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt either
[16:17] <Laney> pitti: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gudev-sharp-1.0/+publishinghistory
[16:18] <seb128> davmor2, upgrade again, there has been an upload to fix that today
[16:18] <pitti> Laney: ah, in bug 607291
[16:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 607291 in taglib-sharp "[MIR] banshee" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607291
[16:18] <bcurtiswx> seb128, that fix disables the two finger scroll (in case that wasn't warranted)
[16:18] <pitti> Laney: was banshee just uploaded? c-m should have it otherwise
[16:19] <seb128> bcurtiswx, ?
[16:19] <pitti> Laney: promoted to main
[16:19] <seb128> bcurtiswx, dunno, ask on #ubuntu-x, I just know the crash is fixed
[16:19] <Laney> pitti: 21 hours ago. I don't know how often it's generated, but if daily then that is fair enough
[16:19] <bcurtiswx> seb128, OK
[16:19] <Laney> thanks for fixing
[16:19] <pitti> Laney: hourly actually
[16:22] <davmor2> seb128: Confirmed the fix works :)
[16:32] <pitti> seb128, didrocks: did you see a major influx of bug reports today?
[16:32] <didrocks> pitti: not really, why?
[16:32] <pitti> didrocks: just curious
[16:32] <didrocks> no, suprinsgly quiet (quiet the unity way of course ;))
[16:32] <seb128> pitti, no but usually the inbox issue happens on monday after betas
[16:32] <seb128> not on friday
[16:32] <pitti> *nod*
[16:32] <seb128> quite some users wait on the weekend it seems
[16:32] <pitti> thanks
[16:33] <seb128> np
[16:50] <rodrigo_> can someone please merge this -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/couchdb-glib/0_7_2_release/+merge/55956 (already uploaded)
[16:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, doing
[16:52] <rodrigo_> seb128, thanks
[16:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, that makes me think about e-d-s btw
[16:53] <seb128> seems we get quite some e-d-s-adressbook crash bugs
[16:54] <rodrigo_> seb128, with u1 addressbooks?
[16:54] <cyphermox> rodrigo_, afaik not only u1... google has some issues too, and I've had trouble with LDAP recently
[16:55] <rodrigo_> hmm, the evo-.couchdb branch I've got coming fixes a nasty issue with dbus in threads, maybe it's the same for other backends?
[16:55] <cyphermox> rodrigo_, depends what bugs seb128 is referring to
[16:56] <rodrigo_> seb128, the accompanying evo-couchdb branch -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/evolution-couchdb/0_5_3_release/+merge/55957 (already uploaded also)
[16:56] <seb128> rodrigo_, right, I was just checking your commit in git
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> oh, my bfb just changed colour!
[16:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, well, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/720531
[16:57] <ubot2> seb128: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 720531 not found
[16:58] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/738552
[16:58] <ubot2> seb128: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 738552 not found
[16:58] <rodrigo_> seb128, I fixed it with an ugly hack, so don't look much at that commit :)
[16:58] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/740181
[16:58] <ubot2> seb128: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 740181 not found
[16:58] <rodrigo_> seb128, looking
[16:58] <seb128> thanks
[16:58] <seb128> rodrigo_, well the init is not enough
[16:59] <seb128> libdbus is just not safe to use in threads
[16:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, with the _init call it seems so
[16:59] <seb128> it's creating issues in gvfs with libgnome-keyring as well
[16:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/720531 is a duplicate of the bug I was fixing with my 2 branches
[16:59] <ubot2> rodrigo_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 720531 not found
[16:59] <seb128> rodrigo_, can you please close it as duplicate?
[16:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, yeah, gnome-keyring was the cause for the evo-couchdb bug
[16:59] <seb128> thanks
[16:59] <rodrigo_> yes
[17:01] <rodrigo_> hmm, 727370 is already a duplicate of this one
[17:01] <rodrigo_> ah, no
[17:01] <rodrigo_> but lp doesn't let me do it
[17:02] <rodrigo_> seb128, can you try?
[17:02]  * rodrigo_ looks at the other bugs
[17:03] <seb128> rodrigo_, try to dup which one from which one?
[17:03] <rodrigo_> trying to mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/720531 as dup of https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution-couchdb/+bug/727370
[17:03] <ubot2> rodrigo_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 720531 not found
[17:04] <rodrigo_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/738552 is another issue
[17:04] <ubot2> rodrigo_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 738552 not found
[17:04] <rodrigo_> and so is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/740181
[17:04] <ubot2> rodrigo_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 740181 not found
[17:09] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, done, it didn't like the duplicates from the bug you tried to duplicate
[17:09] <rodrigo_> ah ok, thanks!
[17:09] <seb128> rodrigo_, worked after changing the duplicate number for a few of those and retrying
[17:09] <seb128> it was hitting a timeout in launchpad before
[17:10]  * didrocks waves goodbye
[17:10] <rodrigo_> bye didrocks
[17:10] <didrocks> bye rodrigo_ :)
[17:10] <seb128> rodrigo_, btw bug #724640
[17:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 724640 in evolution-couchdb "Missing dependency from evolution-couchdb to avahi-daemon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724640
[17:10] <seb128> didrocks, bye
[17:10] <didrocks> seb128: bon week-end!
[17:11] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, why would it need to depend on that?
[17:12] <seb128> rodrigo_, dunno, read the bug comment
[17:12] <seb128> rodrigo_, http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch/Documentation/Troubleshooting
[17:12] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah, ok, moving to desktopcouch
[17:12] <seb128> "Verify that you have Avahi running: #506601 Pairing and replication does not work if Avahi is down. "
[17:13] <seb128> rodrigo_, oh right, it's a couchdb thing, not an evo-couchdb one
[17:13] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[17:13] <rodrigo_> yeah, moving it now
[17:43] <rodrigo_> ok, going out for some (hot) air, so have a good weekend all!
[17:50] <kklimonda> rodrigo_:  hot air? lucky you :)
[17:51] <kklimonda> it's got really cold today in Warsaw :/
[18:02] <ricotz> kklimonda_, hi :)
[18:03] <kklimonda_> ricotz: hey, thanks for your gtkmm 3.0 packaging - I'll try to work on it this weekend
[18:03] <ricotz> kklimonda_, your welcome, perhaps this can get an FFe
[18:07] <kklimonda_> ricotz: we'll see :)
[18:07] <kklimonda_> that would be great though
[18:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, blue bfb is the new claim for attention animation thing ;-)
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it's confusing, because it makes me think i should click on it (which just opens the dash, and doesn't actually help)
[18:14] <ricotz> seb128, are you ok with these two packages going in the gnome3 ppa? https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing/+packages
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> so, if the messaing icon goes blue, i need to click on it. but, if the bfb goes blue, i need to just hover the mouse over it ;)
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> that's strange
[18:15] <seb128> re
[18:15] <seb128> how did I close that tab?
[18:15] <seb128> ricotz, I was checking on your ppa
[18:15] <seb128> ricotz, seems fine yes
[18:15] <seb128> ricotz, we usually do merge summaries the other way around though, list the remaining ubuntu changes
[18:15] <seb128> but don't bother for a ppa upload ;-)
[18:16] <ricotz> seb128, ok, doing it this way was easier for now
[18:17] <seb128> ricotz, ok
[18:19] <ricotz> seb128, the gnome3 environment getting quite complete for my usage
[18:20] <seb128> nice
[18:21] <ricotz> seb128, there are some packages in the ppa that are worth to go into natty
[18:21] <seb128> which ones?
[18:21] <ricotz> like totem-pl-parser
[18:21] <ricotz> mutter, avahi
[18:24] <seb128> ricotz, it's a bit broken that things like totem-pl-parser went in the ppa to start with
[18:26] <ricotz> seb128, totem depends on this specific version and the freeze made it necessary
[18:28] <seb128> ricotz, well there should be a merge request or sponsoring upload going with such updates
[18:29] <ricotz> seb128, actually i made one for mutter 2.91.92
[18:29] <ricotz> which is obsolete by now
[18:30] <seb128> ricotz, well mutter doesn't interest me but I would have sponsoring  the totem-pl-parser update while I was doing sponsoring yesterday if there had been a request for it
[18:30]  * dobey hopes his freeze exception is granted soon
[18:30] <seb128> dobey, try pinging on #ubuntu-release
[18:31] <ricotz> seb128, i see, i was waiting for debian to catch up, so it could be synced
[18:38] <pitti> have a nice weekend everyone!
[18:39] <kenvandine> you too pitti
[18:43] <seb128> pitti, thanks, you as well
[18:43] <seb128> ricotz, right, that's the reason why it was not updated by somebody else in natty as well, we were waiting to sync ;-)
[18:44] <seb128> but from the moment someone do the update it should be trivial to do a merge request against the vcs
[19:34] <sweeze> using gnome3 ppa, looks like all gtk3 apps are displayed w/ raleigh theme... any way to change/debug this?
[19:37] <sweeze> also, network-manager icon is "not found" icon?
[19:41] <Ampelbein> hmm, are the amd64 retracers not working at the moment?