[00:12] <skaet> highvoltage,  :)
[00:13] <skaet> slangasek,  blog entry done.  Seems I don't have permissions for that final step though.
[00:13] <slangasek> what's the final step/
[00:13] <slangasek> ?
[00:13] <skaet> Post announcement to Launchpad (ubuntu-drivers members have posting rights)
[00:14] <skaet> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+announce
[00:14] <slangasek> seems I don't have access anymore either
[00:14] <slangasek> I think you need someone on the TB then
[00:15]  * skaet nods
[00:16] <skaet> yeah, we need to change that comment as well then.
[00:21] <skaet> cjwatson, pitti ^^
[00:46] <skaet> slangasek, cjwatson, pitti - kees helped out,  step 5 done.
[00:46] <skaet> And with that - I call it a day.
[00:46] <slangasek> ok, great :)
[00:46] <slangasek> congrats on the beta!
[00:47] <skaet> thank you all,  for getting the beta out!   awesome teamwork.  :)
[01:00] <slangasek> oh geez
[01:00] <slangasek> Build status
[01:00] <slangasek> [NEEDSBUILD] Needs building
[01:00] <slangasek>     Start 2011-04-03
[01:00] <slangasek> wtf, ppc
[01:10] <kirkland> could I get permission to upload this to natty?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/588060/
[01:11] <kirkland> i have a couple of other fixes coming for cobbler, but this one in particular is making iterative development difficult
[01:11]  * kirkland uploads, as I know you'll reject if there's a problem
[01:19] <kirkland> Okay, just uploaded cobbler part 2 of obvious fixes
[01:19]  * micahg thought the archive was open again
[01:19] <kirkland> i have some more functional ones coming tomorrow
[01:19] <kirkland> for now, I'm worn out
[07:25] <pitti> skaet: congratulations!
[12:48] <cjwatson> skaet: do we have to have the release meeting today?  dunno about you but I'm knackered. :-)
[12:48] <cjwatson> (I notice you haven't sent out the agenda yet, so was wondering if you were contemplating cancelling)
[13:11] <Daviey> fwiw, our team has nothing new/scary to report.
[13:35] <pitti> cjwatson, skaet: FYI, cd image cronjobs turned back on
[13:36] <pitti> nothing major from desktop either
[13:36] <pitti> except that the latest unity fixed a gazillion crashes, it's actually stable again :)
[13:45] <Daviey> pitti, seems 2d unity was fixed aswell!
[13:46]  * cjwatson is still deep inside a horrifically complex gdb/qemu session for wubi
[13:46] <cjwatson> 18 breakpoints with a bunch of custom commands ...
[14:11]  * ogra_ wouldnt have much to report for armel either ... and wouldnt mind skipping this week
[14:22] <ScottK> cjwatson or pitti (or any other release team member): Please look at the utouch-grail upload that just went up and the commentary in Bug 742582.  I think it's completely out of line.
[14:22] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 742582 in utouch-grail (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Add touch gesture events (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742582
[14:23] <ScottK> "if anyone has any problems with this change, they need to take it up with Mark Shuttleworth" and then uploads.
[14:32] <cjwatson> ScottK: I'm not hugely fond of that comment, but pitti had already approved the FFE (comment #8)
[14:33] <ScottK> OK.
[14:33] <ScottK> I'd missed that.
[14:44] <pitti> not that I'd massively like it either, but there wasn't a lot to decide about this :/
[14:51] <ScottK> Agreed.
[14:51] <ScottK> I think it had to be approved, but the take it up with ... comment is really out of line.
[14:52] <ScottK> It was also, as cjwatson thankfully pointed out to  me, completely unneeded since you'd already approved it.
[14:53] <ScottK> Given that the function was specified and Unity depended on it, they could have even reasonably argued it was a bug fix.
[15:08] <skaet> cjwatson, pitti, Daviey - yeah, ran out of energy to get the agenda updated with the latest bugs after finishing the release.   I figured a quick round table might be prudent though to make sure we're all set on plans for the next couple of weeks.   I want to make sure everyone is aware of the freeze dates we talked about on u-release maillist,  for instance.
[15:09] <skaet> don't bother preparing reports, just interested if there are any critical issues.
[15:11] <skaet> would also like to see what the results are like from the testing and hardware cert teams.
[15:21] <skaet> ScottK,  Riddell,  ^^
[15:22] <ScottK> OK.
[16:43] <matttbe> Hello
[16:43] <matttbe>  I'm part of the Cairo-Dock team and I want to update Cairo-Dock packages on Ubuntu. I've opened two bug reports (cairo-dock and its plug-ins) one month ago (before the FF) with two linked branches: https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/723994 & https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/723995.
[16:43] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 723994 in cairo-dock (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "FFe: Please update Cairo-Dock to 2.3.0~0rc1 version (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Wishlist,New]
[16:43] <matttbe> I've contacted a few people on IRC and we said to me last time that I'd to do this request today (due to the beta freeze).
[16:43] <matttbe> So... is it possible to help me?
[16:59] <matttbe> Ok I'll be back later but I hope somebody may help me!
[17:12] <skaet> matttbe,  sorry  we were in release meeting
[17:14] <skaet> pitti,  around?
[17:14] <pitti> skaet: yes
[17:15] <skaet> pitti,  any reservations on accepting the new cairo-dock in?
[17:15]  * pitti looks
[17:16] <pitti> skaet: if you looked at it, fine for me; it's an universe leaf package
[17:18] <skaet> pitti,   haven't gone through the code yet,  but will do the check then if it has a chance.   it seems to have been overlooked, and a probable good thing to have.
[17:19] <skaet> micahg,  you had some issues on the cairo-dock plug-ins   did they get resolved?
[17:23] <micahg> skaet: I wanted to look into the option of merging from Debian, but at this point, I would just take what he has if it's upload worthy and merge next cycle
[17:23] <skaet> micahg,  ok.
[17:24] <skaet> thanks
[17:24] <Laney> he disagrees with how Debian has done the packaging
[17:27] <ScottK> skaet and micahg: We need to be careful not to fork the package from Debian.
[17:27] <Laney> why do we have cairo-dock-plugins and cairo-dock-plug-ins?
[17:27] <micahg> right, he says it's not in the spirit of upstream, I was going to review that, but he said that we never merged from Debian before
[17:27] <Laney> looks like the former has never even built
[17:27] <ScottK> One is a transitional package.
[17:27] <micahg> Laney: that's another problem
[17:27] <ScottK> Or our package naming is different.
[17:29] <Laney> we should probably remove & blacklist it until this is sorted out
[17:29] <Laney> and encourage him to speak to Debian
[17:29] <micahg> yep, we've never merged with Debian before for cairo-dock, so I'd say we can worry about that next cycle, the -plug-ins -plugins issue is another story, we should probably just drop the Debian one for this cycle and get it sorted out early in oneiric
[17:30] <micahg> IMHO
[17:30] <micahg> Laney: he already has, but maybe we can help facilitate better communication
[17:30] <Laney> yeah
[17:30] <Laney> do we have a clear description of what the problems are?
[18:31] <micahg> skaet: ping
[18:32] <skaet> micahg:  yup?
[18:33] <micahg> skaet: hi, there's a thunderbird update planned for during final freeze (april 19), but that might slip a couple days, wondering if we should try to get it in or stage it in the security PPA
[18:33]  * skaet checking some dates ... sec
[18:35] <skaet> micahg, april 19 is way too late for Natty,  so it will have to go in after.
[18:35] <skaet> is it a security fix?   if not,  should probably go through the SRU side.
[18:35] <cjwatson> -security rather than SRU
[18:35] <cjwatson> (SRU => -proposed/-updates)
[18:35] <micahg> skaet: ok, we can probably upload it once it hits the beta channel upstream (apr 4), I'm just wondering about any potential respins
[18:35] <skaet> :)
[18:36] <micahg> probably has security fixes
[18:37] <skaet> fair enough then.
[18:37] <skaet> 4/11 is when we freeze for beta 2 - so best if its in before then.
[18:39] <micahg> skaet: well, I or chrisccoulson can get whatever the current build candidate is by then, I'm wondering what to do though if there's a respin after that point
[18:39] <skaet> After that,  -security option,  if there are true security bug fixes that still need to be applied.    -proposed for other bug fixes.   ok?
[18:40] <skaet> micahg,  don't wait until 4/11 please - earlier is better.
[18:41] <micahg> skaet: well, here's the real question, do we risk having a non-final build at release if there's a respin
[18:41] <micahg> or do we release the security update potentially 9 days late
[18:41] <skaet> bug fixes will be reviewed and accepted for beta 2, and up 4/21.
[18:42] <skaet> so,  4/19 could conceivably squeak in if the bug fixes are reasonable.   But would want it as diffs, rather than full image, so we know what's there.
[18:43] <micahg> skaet: ok, anything for the respins would be bug fix
[18:43] <skaet> If there wasn't security fixes involved,  I'd be tempted to just wait until oneiric.
[18:43] <skaet> thanks micahg
[18:44] <micahg> skaet: ok, so to summarize so I'm clear, we should get in the candidate build as soon as possible and bug fixes to the candidate build would most likely be ok up until 4/21
[18:45] <skaet> micahg, since we'll be doing the release images build on 4/21,  best plan on fixes up to 4/20.
[18:45]  * micahg hopes they release on time then
[18:45]  * skaet agrees.
[18:45] <micahg> skaet: I'll actually be off 4/19 and 4/20, but hopefully we'll know the week before
[18:45] <cjwatson> I think that may be bug 742967 dead at last
[18:45] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 742967 in grub2 (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "Natty Wubi grub prompt on install (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742967
[18:46] <cjwatson> ev will need to build a new Wubi binary though
[18:46] <cjwatson> (after it's built)
[18:46] <skaet> otherwise,  its probably going to be get it into the -security queue,  and have it ready as a 0-day fix.
[18:46] <ev> will do
[18:46] <skaet> cjwatson,  that's great to hear.  :)
[18:46] <micahg> skaet: BTW, it's on xubuntu that would be impacted by this if an ISO respin was needed
[18:46] <micahg> *only
[18:46] <ScottK> skaet: I suspect getting it in between Beta 2 and when we spin the final candidate images would be OK.
[18:47] <cjwatson> ev: upgrading to grub-pc 1.99~rc1-8ubuntu1 should be sufficient
[18:47] <ScottK> It = Thunderbird.
[18:48] <ev> cjwatson: congratulations on hopefully getting to the bottom of it
[18:48] <skaet> micahg,  Thunderbird does tend to get used by alot of Ubuntu users as well, so not sure its just Xubuntu impact.
[18:48] <ev> and noted
[18:48] <cjwatson> ev: I did eventually manage to distil a non-Wubi test environment out of it
[18:48] <micahg> skaet: right, but I think that's the only ISO impacted
[18:49] <skaet> micahg - fair 'nuf.  :)
[18:49] <ev> cjwatson: in that you were able to reproduce the bug outside of a wubi install, or you crafted something reusable for further testing of grub?
[18:50] <cjwatson> if you have a config file on a loopback device that re-loopbacks itself and then calls loadfont on unicode.pf2 (to allocate lots of memory and force the freed memory out), and then a big pile of comments to ensure that you go onto another disk block, then some random echo comments, the echo commands will fail to run correctly
[18:50] <micahg> skaet: I'm wrong, the DVD is as well...
[18:50] <cjwatson> it's not a reliable test, but it was good enough to check that I'd got it right
[18:51] <ev> nice
[18:51] <cjwatson> in the Wubi environment, I just forced it to skip over the re-loopback, and confirmed that I got to a GRUB menu that way
[18:52] <cjwatson> (forced> using a very carefully-selected breakpoint and 'jump' in gdb)
[18:56] <skaet> micahg,  ack.   4/20 for fixes in, else plan on zero day updates.
[18:56] <dobey> hi all
[18:56]  * skaet --> lunch and some errands,  back on later. 
[18:56] <dobey> i was wondering about the progress on the exception request for bug #733327
[18:56] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 733327 in libubuntuone (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[UI FFE] Notify user of missing MP3 support (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733327