[00:00] <hamitron> phonex01: if you can't, you can have a virtual network, so then have a virtual adapter on the host, then configure like a basic NAT router
[00:00] <hamitron> but I think I have seen this come up before, and it can be done
[00:01] <phonex01> man the virtual machine can not deal with the HSPA service  !
[00:01] <phonex01> it is broadband connection
[00:02] <HazRPG> shauno: bridging?
[00:02] <hamitron> http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html#networkingmodes
[00:03] <hamitron> I would personally use the built-in NAT mode
[00:03] <shauno> ditto
[00:03] <HazRPG> I usually use bridging... but I have read the scroll-back
[00:03] <shauno> bridging gives it a second IP on the same network as the host.  HSPA isn't going to give you more than one IP on the isp's network.
[00:04] <HazRPG> ah, good point
[00:04] <hamitron> shauno: in vmware you can "bridge" on the same IP, not sure about virtualbox
[00:04] <shauno> the NAT mode will use the host OS as a router for the guest
[00:05] <hamitron> but NAT is cleaner imho
[00:05] <HazRPG> brobostigon-g1: you alright dude?
[00:07] <brobostigon-g1> HazRPG: not really, no.
[00:07] <hamitron> :/
[00:07] <hamitron> brobostigon-g1: wazzzzzup?
[00:08] <HazRPG> brobostigon-g1: yeah dude, what's up?
[00:09] <brobostigon-g1> HazRPG: you really want to know?
[00:11] <HazRPG> brobostigon-g1: only if your up for telling I guess.
[00:13] <HazRPG> brb bathroom break
[00:14]  * brobostigon-g1 screams and shouts and curses at the top of his voice,
[00:14] <hamitron> :(
[00:14] <brobostigon-g1> That is all. Endof;
[00:16] <brobostigon-g1> Sorry
[00:18] <hamitron> my thin client should arrive tomorrow
[00:19] <hamitron> :)
[00:19] <popey> gord: just fyi, Rubbish Bin still says "empty trash"
[00:19]  * popey goes to bed
[00:19] <brobostigon-g1> :)
[00:19] <hamitron> laters pops
[00:20] <HazRPG> brobostigon-g1: sure ok.
[00:20] <HazRPG> back btw :)
[00:20] <brobostigon-g1> HazRPG: sorry I missed you're meeting hosting.
[00:21] <HazRPG> brobostigon-g1: its fine dude, can always check out the minutes :).
[00:21] <brobostigon-g1> HazRPG: nothing like being there live.
[00:22] <brobostigon-g1> Umm,
[00:23] <brobostigon-g1> Can I go cry now please.
[00:23] <hamitron> :(
[00:25] <phonex01> yes you can !
[00:25] <phonex01> but why yuo want to do that ?
[00:25] <phonex01> is it that urgent ?
[00:25] <brobostigon-g1> Thank you
[00:25]  * brobostigon-g1 goes and cries in the corner
[00:25] <phonex01> i mean you have to cry or you can delay it
[00:26] <brobostigon-g1> No,
[00:27] <phonex01> ok dont cry today
[00:27] <brobostigon-g1> Why not?
[00:28] <brobostigon-g1> Today like any other day sucks.
[00:28] <brobostigon-g1> So I give up.
[00:28] <phonex01> ok then cry  !
[00:28] <phonex01> you know something
[00:28] <hamitron> don't give up damn it
[00:28] <hamitron> :/
[00:28] <phonex01> if you think you are suffering you are wrong
[00:29]  * brobostigon-g1 goes bang his head on some hard surface.
[00:30] <brobostigon-g1> I don't want to sware.
[00:30] <hamitron> pops has gone to bed.... but i hear he keeps 1 eye open all night
[00:30] <directhex> phonex01, you can't bridge devices you can't shift into the required mode. in the case of wwan connections, you can't just bridge your VM's MAC and expect your HSPDA provider to issue you an IP, since that kinda breaks their business model
[00:30] <directhex> phonex01, short version: use NAT
[00:30] <HazRPG> Woop! My post IS on the planet ubuntu-uk \o/
[00:30] <HazRPG> 2nd one down!
[00:31] <HazRPG> check it!
[00:31] <brobostigon-g1> HazRPG: yay
[00:31] <HazRPG> also, sporting my big-hair-couldn't-give-to-cut-it-picture :D
[00:31] <phonex01> ok thank you
[00:31] <phonex01> hi HazRPG
[00:31] <phonex01> nice to meet you
[00:32] <HazRPG> phonex01: howdy dude :)
[00:32] <phonex01> hi im hit
[00:32] <dutchie> HazRPG: ew, truncated articles in feeds
[00:32] <phonex01> i was protesting and i got two stones again
[00:33]  * brobostigon-g1 goes to beat up his bedroom and go to sleep.
[00:33] <phonex01> man have you ever seen police use stones !!!
[00:33] <shauno> hah, have fun making hackergotchi out of that hair
[00:34] <brobostigon-g1> Fuey
[00:35] <brobostigon-g1> No, let me go play quake.
[00:35] <hamitron> the orig?
[00:35] <hamitron> :)
[00:35] <brobostigon-g1> Don't matter,
[00:36] <brobostigon-g1> I want to go kill something.
[00:36] <brobostigon-g1> :)
[00:36] <hamitron> :)
[00:36] <hamitron> I've never found killing stuff in games helps
[00:37] <HazRPG> kill a stone :)
[00:37] <hamitron> I like to drive in some racing game
[00:37] <shauno> it makes the game much easier :o)
[00:37]  * brobostigon-g1 goes and cries somemore
[00:37] <HazRPG> that way, it dies... and well its fine, cos its not really alive
[00:37] <HazRPG> as a thing
[00:37] <HazRPG> brobostigon-g1: *hugs* it'll be fine dude
[00:38]  * brobostigon-g1 hugs HazRPG back
[00:41]  * brobostigon-g1 cries
[00:42] <hamitron> can you put a project on launchpad with some closed source stuff?
[00:42] <brobostigon-g1> Open stuff, I have.
[00:47] <brobostigon-g1> Good night, I eont burdon you chaps andgals with my mind anymore.
[00:48] <shauno> night bob.  tc.
[00:48] <brobostigon-g1> Night shauno
[00:49] <hamitron> think I should get a coffee, build another comp, then get to bed I think
[00:49]  * hamitron sighs
[00:51] <shauno> did the new one arrive yet?
[00:52] <hamitron> the thin client?
[00:52] <hamitron> no, should be here tomorrow
[00:52] <hamitron> got an email from shit it express earlier
[00:52] <hamitron> and excited \o/
[00:53] <shauno> well, let's hope yours doesn't go via kazakhstan :/
[00:53] <hamitron> hmmm?
[00:54] <shauno> waiting for a new laptop.  it make a stop in kazakhstan this morning.  was rather surprised, myself
[00:54] <shauno> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/ups.jpg
[00:55] <hamitron> oh dear
[00:55] <hamitron> :/
[00:55] <hamitron> my cable from china has been 27 days now
[00:55] <hamitron> but the seller has shipped me another now
[00:55] <shauno> it's currently in germany, and telling me it'll take 4 days.  it took 1 day to do asia, the scenic route.  and now it's going to take 4 to do germany to ireland?
[00:55] <hamitron> he claims he sent one before anyway
[00:56] <hamitron> :/
[00:56] <hamitron> I'm always scared of import duties
[00:56] <shauno> intl shipping is always weird.
[00:56] <hamitron> never bought anything big
[00:56] <shauno> I bought something off ebay, from the UK, while I was living in the US
[00:57] <shauno> it hadn't shown up by time paypal's dispute window was closing, so I told him I was filing a dispute because it was "now or never".
[00:57] <penguin42> international shipping can be awesome if you pay a lot of money and shout 'I need it tomorrow - really, PLEEEEEASE'
[00:57] <hamitron> hehe
[00:58] <shauno> it eventually showed up nearly 2 months later  (this was a jiffy bag sized package, not something daft).  so I paid him again 'n felt like a git
[00:58] <hamitron> :/
[00:59] <HazRPG> shauno: heh, typical
[00:59] <shauno> no-one ripped anyone off, but paypal only give you so long (28 days I think?) after a transaction to dispute it.  which is rather counter-productive when shipping goes awry
[01:00] <HazRPG> I agree
[01:00] <penguin42> shauno: You leave that as the vendors problem
[01:00] <hamitron> I'll just leave negative feedback with this, was only £250
[01:00] <hamitron> £2.50
[01:00] <hamitron> ;/
[01:00] <HazRPG> also, why is test-ipvt6.com reckon I only got 9/10 for IPv6 stability and readiness...
[01:00] <HazRPG> ahhh
[01:00] <HazRPG> ISP DNS = no IPv6...
[01:01] <shauno> he.net have a dns server you can use too
[01:01] <hamitron> brb
[01:01] <HazRPG> ooo really?
[01:01] <shauno> it's on the details page for your tunnel, anycast dns server.  it'll have two addresses, one v6 & one v4
[01:01] <shauno> I just use the v6 one, and let v4 queries go the normal route
[01:02] <HazRPG> win
[01:03] <shauno> (you should still get AAAA records from your normal dns server, but tests will mark you down for not having a "all-v6" readiness)
[01:04] <shauno> if you don't get AAAA records from your normal server, mail your isp old fish, and use google's :)
[01:05] <shauno> I use google's anyway, because my isp have started serving up "search pages" instead of NXDOMAIN, which I find rather evil
[01:06] <hamitron> the internet is full of evil
[01:06] <hamitron> :/
[01:06] <shauno> indeed
[01:07] <shauno> I really wish they'd learn that the more obtrusive their adverts are, the more I'll go out of my way to remove them
[01:08] <shauno> (eg, if you give me a fullscreen ad "while this page loads", I hit back. and growl.  and make a mental note that this site isn't viable anymore)
[01:08] <hamitron> growl, haha
[01:10] <shauno> doesn't everyone growl when they put adverts on top of content?
[01:10] <hamitron> yeh, I guess
[01:10] <hamitron> :)
[01:11] <shauno> those really bug me.  expanding thumbnails into modal floating blobs was bad enough
[01:11] <shauno> now you go onto sites and they pop up a floating layer trying to get you to sign up for their newsleter.  or do a questionaire.  or some other random gaff that I didn't read because I was too busy hitting Back
[01:22] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] I am Jef Spaleta - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/01/i-am-jef-spaleta/
[01:45] <matti> ;]
[01:51] <hamitron> right
[01:51] <hamitron> sleep ;D
[01:51] <hamitron> nn o/
[02:59] <shauno> ooh .. minecraft 1.4 is out.  \o/ wolves!
[03:18] <Azelphur> shauno: my server is up on 1.4 :P
[03:19] <shauno> ditto.  already killed my first pet :/
[03:19] <Azelphur> lol
[03:19] <shauno> apparently I need to rethink my use of lava
[03:19] <Azelphur> shauno: fun fact, if pvp is off (server side) you can still use wolfs to kill people \o/
[03:19] <shauno> yeah, I read that already
[03:20] <shauno> I'll find it a sec, because it was funny :)
[03:21] <Azelphur> shauno: I was "testing" it with one of my other staff :P
[03:21] <Azelphur> aka spawn camping him while he screamed "NOOOOOOOO" on mumble
[03:21] <Azelphur> xD
[03:21] <shauno> > yes, my ten year old died this morning when her friend accidentally hit her in front of her wolf on a peaceful server this morning.
[03:21] <Azelphur> haha
[03:22] <shauno> also,
[03:22] <shauno> > I tame my first wolf and loudly proclaim to my server: "I AM THE FIRST TO TAME A WOLF!" Then my "friend" who is a mod teleports to me. Kills my wolf and teleports home.
[03:23] <Azelphur> \o/
[03:23] <shauno> in other news, they won't attack trees :(
[03:23] <Azelphur> I got a fleet of 10 wolfs and terrorized people :D
[03:25] <shauno> this is interesting
[03:25] <shauno> >  I also found out that if you get hit with your own arrow, you get attacked by all your wolves.
[03:25] <Azelphur> xD
[03:25] <shauno> I'm not sure how one goes about shooting themselves, but apparently the wolves are willing to help
[03:26] <shauno> one I found myself is that the difference between left & right click actually matters.  if you hit a wolf with a bone, he'll hit you back
[03:27] <Azelphur> lol
[03:27] <shauno> introduced 2 friends to minecraft this evening
[03:27] <shauno> one, I gave a sword, and he announced he was going for a walk.  came back dead.
[03:28] <shauno> the other apparently hasn't played many first-person games, and spends a lot of time stood in one place staring at the floor
[03:28] <Azelphur> shauno: haha
[03:28] <shauno> had to teach her w/asd .. not sure how to teach her mouselook
[03:29] <Azelphur> how old is she? XD
[03:29] <shauno> heh
[03:30] <shauno> I've never asked, but I'd have to guess closer 40 than 30
[03:30] <Azelphur> surely you can just say "Move the mouse" and it's obvious? XD
[03:31] <shauno> apparently not :)
[03:33] <shauno> it was a good chuckle, but a bit bizarre at times.  "why's my screen flashing?"  "you're on fire."  "oh."
[03:35] <shauno> can't wait for new laptop tho.  this one's struggling running client & server together
[03:48] <Azelphur> hehe
[03:48] <Azelphur> shauno: I have a public dedi server :)
[03:50] <shauno> yeah, you showed me :)
[03:51] <shauno> I think this one'll be fine once my laptop shows up, I can bump the stack size & leave it to it
[03:51] <shauno> also, they didn't fix soil halos :)
[03:52] <Azelphur> hehe
[03:55] <shauno> if you build a ring of dirt above where a tree is going to grow, it resets what height it thinks it is once it reaches the dirt
[03:55] <shauno> soil on 4 sides = ground level, so it starts again
[03:56] <shauno> so build a few rings in midair, plant tree, feed it bones, and insta-mammoth-tree
[03:58] <shauno> keep meaning to play with the spacing & figure out what the best way to make a multi-tier farm that way is
[04:03] <Azelphur> shauno: awesome haha I have to try that
[04:07] <shauno> they're not the prettiest trees if you leave chunks of dirt in them :/  but I've a feeling it'll be great for farms
[04:11] <shauno> I seem to do most my farming underground now.  I have a cute little farmhouse in the middle of nowhere, with tiers of pig & wheat farms underneath it
[04:12] <Azelphur> shauno: I'm trying to do that tree thing but not getting anywhere
[04:12] <shauno> hm, gimme a minute
[04:21] <shauno> heh, it worked with the last one I tried.  now I'm getting even stranger results
[04:22] <shauno> I've just grown a large chunk of invincible foilage.  it just grows back
[04:23] <Azelphur> haha
[04:23] <Azelphur> shauno: care to show me on my server? :P
[04:25] <shauno> seems to work with 3 spaces between the ground & the soil
[04:25] <shauno> with two I just got a boring tree.
[04:25] <Azelphur> o.O
[04:29] <shauno> hm, I just got the buggy version instead again
[04:36] <shauno> it seems to freak out if I spam-click bones.  if I'm gentle, I get megatree.  if I spamclick, I get trunkless tree
[04:37] <shauno> (tree grows, but sapling stays where it is.  then trunk disappears)
[04:37] <Azelphur> :P
[04:37] <shauno> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/2011-04-01_04.35.13.png
[04:37] <shauno> that I just 'built' .. video is uploading (but slower  heh)
[04:38] <Azelphur> hehe
[04:38] <shauno> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/tree.mov
[04:38] <shauno> vanilla server btw, not bukkit.  no idea how much difference that makes
[04:39] <Azelphur> shauno: eww apple :P
[04:39] <shauno> but that's how I build the soil rings.  took 3 attempts to grow the tree before the sapling despawned tho
[04:40] <shauno> heh, yes apple.  gave up using linux on the desktop 5-6 years ago.  guess how long it's been since I last compiled my video driver because a random kernel update left me staring at gdm's freakout screen :p
[04:41] <Azelphur> probably about the same time as me :D
[04:43] <shauno> I keep hitting minor gripes with differences in bsd vs gnu userlands.  that can be fun.  otherwise I'm quite happy with it :)
[04:45] <Azelphur> :p
[04:49] <shauno> trunkless tree is well weird.  it's mostly fire resistant
[04:49] <shauno> and seems to stick around.  it acts like lag, but doesn't get over it
[04:49] <Azelphur> hehe
[04:50] <shauno> grew nicely the third time I planted it tho :)
[04:51] <shauno> tempted to try a third ring, and put walls between the second & third.  see if you can grow an instant treehouse.
[04:51] <shauno> but not tonight.  just noticed it's dangerously close to being this morning, and I work saturday, so I can't break my sleep pattern again :)
[06:23] <HazRPG> anyone know why a User Agent would ever show up as being blank? Because surely all browsers should at least have one (and search engines)
[06:24]  * HazRPG is checking stats of his site
[07:16] <HazRPG> hmm...
[07:16] <HazRPG> apparently ping6 and ip aren't showing up as bash commands on this high-light text thing for <pre> tags
[07:16] <HazRPG> how rather odd :/
[07:18] <HazRPG> also, what sort of highlight scheme would conf files technically be under?
[07:18] <HazRPG> or is there no defacto standard on that?
[07:21] <AlanBell> http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/comments.shtml/366/ sound like a nice pub?
[07:22] <AlanBell> have a look on Google maps along the thames near millbank :)
[07:23] <HazRPG> ooo
[07:24] <HazRPG> T_T this code hi-lite is being a pain... thought I'd test it out on the IPv6 post I've got, but well if its only going to hi-lite half, there's no point
[07:24] <danfish> AlanBell: admittedly not universal praise :( but by central London pub standards.....
[07:32] <danfish> right, time to take kids to nursery
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> http://www.krenn.nl/aprilfools/
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: is the ipv6 article popular? :)
[07:49] <HazRPG> I'm not sure...
[07:49] <HazRPG> as a thing... StatPress tells me "Visitors this month (Apr, 2011): 20"
[07:49] <HazRPG> not inc crawlers...
[07:50] <MartijnVdS> 20 inch visitors?
[07:50] <HazRPG> xD
[07:50] <MartijnVdS> are you on planet?
[07:50] <HazRPG> I am now \o/
[07:50] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[07:50]  * AlanBell wonders what planet the 20" visitors are from
[07:50] <AlanBell> we come in peace
[07:50] <HazRPG> :P
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: maybe it's more an "adult entertainment actor" thing
[07:52] <HazRPG> Well, all visitors so far have either been from: WinXP, WinNT 4, a few "blank" O/S's, and 3 Linux users (one ubuntu)
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> "The 20" visitor" sounds like a title in that genre
[07:52] <HazRPG> so I wouldn't be surprised if most of these hits are just usual spam dudes
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> I looked at the page
[07:52] <AlanBell> shall we all guess what country MartijnVdS is in :)
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> so that would be the Ubuntu one :)
[07:53] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: We use centimeters here ;)
[07:53] <HazRPG> xD
[07:53]  * HazRPG can never understand these stats properly
[07:54] <HazRPG> This is why as a thing I usually make my own stats generator
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: have you tried google analytics
[07:54] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: erm... Google Webtools?
[07:54] <HazRPG> Got my site on that
[07:54] <AlanBell> popey: do you fully understand the risks you are taking? http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/collections/p006rg17
[08:08] <AlanBell> is there a sound recording app in the default Ubuntu?
[08:08] <HazRPG> AlanBell: yup
[08:09] <HazRPG> AlanBell: app->sound & video->sound recorder
[08:09] <HazRPG> AlanBell: or gnome-sound-recorder in term
[08:10]  * HazRPG trying to work out where to place this file in wordpress
[08:10] <HazRPG> pretty new to the whole wordpress stuff really
[08:10] <AlanBell> thanks HazRPG
[08:10] <HazRPG> phpBB I've coded WAY too much stuff for that, never really done much for WP
[08:10] <HazRPG> AlanBell: no problem :)
[08:10] <AlanBell> I always use Audacity, but I have an idea for an interesting project that involves lots of people
[08:10] <HazRPG> see I know things :D
[08:11] <HazRPG> See I use Audacity too, really love it
[08:11] <HazRPG> but sometimes you just want to record some plain files quickly with a simple interface
[08:25] <popey> morning
[08:33] <diplo> morning
[08:38] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> http://www.usedbandwidth.com/
[08:42] <HazRPG> AlanBell: apparently my email to the mailing list was rejected (for the meeting stuff)
[08:43] <HazRPG> I'll try and forward that through again, and see what happens
[08:45] <AlanBell> just got it
[08:56] <MooDoo> hello
[09:00] <gord> hrm, i have been suspicious about that jono guy for years, confirmed.
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> gord: hm?
[09:10] <gord> MartijnVdS, go read his blog :P
[09:13] <AlanBell> right, I wonder if my car will make it as far as the garage
[09:13] <AlanBell> czajkowski: first time I have moved it since the plugfest!
[09:14] <czajkowski> AlanBell: eh?
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning earthlings
[09:14] <AlanBell> czajkowski: my car
[09:14] <AlanBell> morning TheOpenSourcerer
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell 's car is borked
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning AlanBell - will it start?
[09:15]  * AlanBell grabs phone and puts on best pushing boots
[09:15] <AlanBell> I think it will start
[09:15] <Tommeh> "The Ubuntu team is pleased to announce the release of Ubuntu 11.04 beta"
[09:15] <Tommeh> \o/
[09:15] <Tommeh> Upgrade day!
[09:15] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm - release the Beta on April Fool's day... Careful, there be dragons ahead.
[09:18] <czajkowski> AlanBell: context is a wonderful thing :)
[09:18]  * czajkowski was rather lost in farnham last night 
[09:18] <bigcalm> Morning kids
[09:20]  * oimon hopes sabdfl's comment on bug 739812 is an april fool :(
[09:20] <bigcalm> Today is stupids day :(
[09:23] <willy_1977> take the p*** day...
[09:24] <czajkowski> http://bit.ly/fR7hIZ  :D
[09:24] <oimon> i would prefer if all dumb articles are removed after lunchtime april 1st. then i can continue reading the interenet, but when you read the article a week late...
[09:25] <daubers> Morning
[09:25] <willy_1977> morning
[09:25] <willy_1977> czajkowski: :) I like that.
[09:27] <oimon> czajkowski: have you seen it in 3D? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/267551063.jpg
[09:36] <czajkowski> oimon: oh nice I tend not to read omgubuntu
[09:36] <b1ackcr0w> Hello all!
[09:37]  * b1ackcr0w doing a little light bug hunting in natty beta
[09:38] <b1ackcr0w> I think I've found one but would like a bit of help filing the bug
[09:38] <b1ackcr0w> specifically, where to file it
[09:39] <BigRedS> what is it?
[09:39] <gord> oh-hum i guess its april fools day. *looks around for co-workers to prank*
[09:39] <gord> i guess i'll pranky my cat
[09:41] <oimon> heheh http://xkcd.com/880/
[09:41] <b1ackcr0w> Basically - you can't maximise an app window in unity using a desktop touchscreen
[09:42] <b1ackcr0w> I've made a screencast
[09:42] <b1ackcr0w> to demonstrate the problem
[09:42]  * b1ackcr0w has yet to go to thinkgeek.com to see their Fools day prank
[09:44] <gord> b1ackcr0w, you haven't tried pressing the maximise button?
[09:44] <gord> or double tapping the window titlebar
[09:44] <b1ackcr0w> you're supposed to be able to do it with a gesture
[09:45] <gord> ah. new multi-touch gesture stuff is landing next release so maybe wait for that to be built and test with that before filing a bug
[09:45] <b1ackcr0w> but your finger runs into the screen bezel stopping the maximize
[09:46] <b1ackcr0w> gord: is that beta 2?
[09:46] <gord> b1ackcr0w, should be building today
[09:46] <gord> we just couldn't release it until late yesterday because the archives didn't open until beta 1 was released
[09:47] <b1ackcr0w> gord: cool, I have to have version upgrades on to get that from update manager right?
[09:48] <gord> b1ackcr0w, eh nope. if your running natty you'll get it regardless
[09:48] <b1ackcr0w> gord: top banana - thanks for the heads up
[09:50] <b1ackcr0w> FWIW - I'm pleasantly surprised by beta 1 - it's the best linux touchscreen implementation i've seen yet
[09:52] <gord> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdg-specs/commit/?id=b6381cb31953070ba7b641bb6fbdb16758bd8356 :)
[09:52] <b1ackcr0w> btw - is there another package I have to install to get multitouch gestures to work? My system only seems to like single touch ATM
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> http://www.chromercise.com/
[09:52] <gord> not sure, backend mt is handled by a different team
[09:54] <b1ackcr0w> i think it might be utouch - i'll do some mooching
[09:58] <bigcalm> Cor, today's XKCD is something special
[09:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol: http://www.debian.org/
[10:01] <kazade> TheOpenSourcerer, that's actually pretty cool, I love that they've linked all those other distros along the top :)
[10:01] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: the best bit is they excluded fedora :P
[10:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> oimon: And Ubuntu.
[10:02] <oimon> i don't see ubuntu without also thinking debian, and vice versa
[10:04] <b1ackcr0w> you have to love XKCD - that is pretty cool
[10:04] <phonex01> how can i recored my desktop ?
[10:04] <phonex01> video recored
[10:04] <b1ackcr0w> i think i've found thinkgeek's april fool
[10:04] <b1ackcr0w> http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/looflirpa/e8bb/?pfm=Carousel_20110401_Apple_Store_2
[10:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> !info recordmydesktop
[10:05] <b1ackcr0w> warming up Banshee with Joe Cocker's cover of "Feelin' Alright" - good times :)
[10:08] <b1ackcr0w> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001JQQCUG/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk2
[10:08] <b1ackcr0w> no better way to invest 98p
[10:08] <JamesTait> Guten Morgen! :D
[10:09] <b1ackcr0w> lo
[10:11] <kazade> http://www.youtube.com/user/Google#p/a/u/0/blB_X38YSxQ
[10:11] <kazade> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu927_ul_X0&feature=player_embedded
[10:11] <kazade> :)
[10:12] <kazade> actually, this is a better link: http://mail.google.com/mail/help/motion.html
[10:18] <AlanBell> the car got there
[10:18] <bigcalm> Search for Helvetica on Google
[10:19] <AlanBell> heh
[10:19] <kazade> bigcalm, nice :)
[10:19] <bigcalm> Via my boss
[10:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:27] <brobostigon> http://mail.google.com/mail/help/motion.html
[10:27] <brobostigon> i get the feeling this is a april fools.
[10:28] <Mez> orly?
[10:28] <brobostigon> Mez: have you tried it?
[10:28] <Laney> it's not, i used it
[10:28] <brobostigon> ok, interesting then.
[10:29] <Mez> brobostigon - yeah - I just can't get used to the gestures though... It's like BSL - but not... it'll take a while to learn.
[10:29] <brobostigon> Mez: agreed. yes.
[10:29] <Mez> Lucky they're not turning off the keyboard/mouse combinatin to access it for a couple of months.
[10:30] <Mez> http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/mountain-view/autocompleter/index.html <-- should I apply?
[10:31] <DJones> Mez: Should forward that to the mailing list
[10:33] <Mez> DJones: nah, it's Mountain View...
[10:33] <Mez> not really relevant to the UK
[10:33] <brobostigon> something doesnt fit with that job description.
[10:34] <Myrtti> http://google.com/romance <3
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> http://eu.techcrunch.com/2011/04/01/spotify-announces-us-launch-closing-european-service-to-fund-it/
[10:34] <AlanBell> "Post multiple profiles with
[10:34] <AlanBell> a bulk upload file, you sleaze"
[10:36]  * oimon ignores the internet for the reset of the day
[10:37] <oimon> trying out elementary Os on my eee ..working quite nippy on the old dog
[10:37] <BigRedS> well, untill midday
[10:37] <BigRedS> ah, midday UTC+12, which is the rest of the day
[10:39] <oimon> doesn't look like i'll be able to use ubuntu on my eee after natty :(
[10:41] <brobostigon> oimon: why?
[10:42] <oimon> brobostigon: cos of what MarkS said : ubuntu classic won't be in natty+1
[10:42] <BigRedS> someone's bound to package gnome for it
[10:42] <oimon> unity doesn't work on my 800x480 screen
[10:42] <BigRedS> pre-gnome-shell-gnome
[10:43] <brobostigon> oimon: i am using gnome3 here, i dont perticulerly like unity myself, gnome-shell should work fairly well onthat kind of small screen.
[10:44] <Myrtti> xfce ♥
[10:44] <oimon> i tried gnomeshell - seems rather...lacking. will try again when they finish, but i don't think i will like it. is it true or april fool that they are delaying another 6 mo's for gnome3?
[10:45] <brobostigon> oimon: it should be release and of this month, ui freeze has already gone, so only bug fixes untill release.
[10:46] <brobostigon> end of*
[10:46] <BigRedS> Myrtti: I keep thinking about trying xfce out again. I hear it's much better now than it used to be
[10:49] <screen-x> good morning :)
[10:50] <screen-x> it seems that google body browser now has a male, and a cow.
[10:50] <oimon> not the most flattering screenshots of xfce though http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.8-1.png
[10:50] <slackthumbz> oimon: probably april fools, they've been in code freeze for a couple of weeks now and previously stated there'd be a 3.0.0 stable code release in early april/
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: seems like EVERY google project has its own April Fools bit :)
[10:51] <oimon> yeah, website says 5 days
[10:51] <Myrtti> hm. -25% off of Fon2.0n
[11:02] <Laney> hope you have all remembered mothers day!
[11:02] <davmor2> morning all
[11:02] <bigcalm> Card posted yesterday
[11:03] <bigcalm> Bloody card company holiday
[11:03] <davmor2> sweet Jesus there is a pink unicorn as the freenode message of the day
[11:03] <czajkowski> :D
[11:03] <Laney> that is pretty
[11:03] <bigcalm> Yes, I thought it cute
[11:04] <bigcalm> There are some very clever people out there who master the art of ascii art
[11:05] <davmor2> lads it's pink and a unicorn those are two things you shouldn't admit to being pretty or cute :D
[11:05] <directhex> :( @ adsl
[11:05]  * davmor2 blames czajkowski for the horrific unicorn and prods her
[11:06]  * Laney can see the exchange from the kitchen window
[11:06]  * Laney therefore ♥ adsl
[11:07]  * kazade is attempting to build an ISO of Ubuntu + Gnome 3 :)
[11:09] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:10] <czajkowski> davmor2: behave!
[11:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: it's the kinda evil that you'd do though ;)
[11:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: http://www.comics.chickennation.com/archive/worst-unicorn/ # no safe for sane mindes
[11:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: safe for me then my minds never sane
[11:13] <bigcalm> My appologies to everybody else who followed that link
[11:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'd think you would apologise too
[11:14]  * screen-x now has a slightly altered view of unicorns
[11:14] <bigcalm> Ah, I was close enough
[11:17] <Myrtti> http://www.fimm.fi/en/scientific_highlights/moomin_genome_explains_creature-s_peculiar_features-holds_clues_to_evolution_of_fable_characters/
[11:18] <bigcalm> Myrtti: heh
[11:19] <bigcalm> I just like the idea of a Finnish Institute of Moomin Medicine
[11:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: for a decent depiction of a unicorn you really need to see http://is.gd/uMcZgS
[11:23] <AlanBell>  /kick davmor2
[11:23] <bigcalm> davmor2: 2007 called, they want their 1987 music video back
[11:23] <bigcalm> And I quite like that track...
[11:23] <davmor2> AlanBell: I couldn't resist sorry :D
[11:31] <daubers> bigcalm: DID YOU WARN THEM ABOUT JAPAN!?!?!?!?!
[11:31] <bigcalm> :D
[11:31] <BigRedS> :)
[11:32] <bigcalm> Yes, we all <3 xkcd
[11:32] <screen-x> talking of which, xkcd seems to be in an odd semi 3d world today
[11:32] <bigcalm> Indeed
[11:33] <daubers> urgh... caffeine withdrawl sucks
[11:33] <bigcalm> Have a cuppa tea
[11:33] <daubers> and todays xkcd doesn't help
[11:33] <dwatkins> hehe, I like it, screen-x
[11:33] <BigRedS> daubers: stick with it, then when you have actual caffeinated coffee, it really works
[11:34] <oimon> screen-x: hey i didn't notice that cos i read it via RSS
[11:34]  * daubers orders one of http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/looflirpa/e8bf/?pfm=Carousel_20110401_Nether_Portal_5 to stick his brain into
[11:39] <dwatkins> you'd probably have to cut it up first, sadly
[11:42] <screen-x> daubers: does that have some sort of shredder for absorbing paper?
[11:56] <bigcalm> screen-x: watch the video
[12:00] <screen-x> bigcalm: I did, but it doesn't actually send reports to the nether ;-)
[12:02] <bigcalm> Sure it does, the internet doesn't lie!
[12:02] <czajkowski> I seem to have broken the work latop again
[12:03] <screen-x> czajkowski: <irish accent>have you tried turning it off and turning it on again?</irish accent>
[12:03] <czajkowski> screen-x: it wont turn on after I turn it off
[12:04] <daubers> czajkowski: So how do you then turn it off again if it's not on?
[12:04]  * daubers files a bug report
[12:04] <daubers> "Cannot turn power off if laptop is not no"
[12:04] <daubers> s/no/on
[12:07] <phonex01> hi guys is there any tool can be used as wifi spy chanalyzer on ubuntu ?
[12:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: I'll hold daubers you hit him :D
[12:16] <dwatkins> What's that, ph<tab> oh.... left the channel
[12:17] <oimon> lol..
[12:17] <oimon> i think there are better rooms to ask questions that he/she asks
[12:19] <czajkowski> Good god I HATE_DRUPAL!
[12:20] <dwatkins> oimon: or places where the answer won't just be "don't ask for things like that, it smacks of black-hat-ery"
[12:20] <bigcalm> E_DRUPAL
[12:20]  * bigcalm sniggers
[12:20] <dwatkins> ERROR_SUCCESS
[12:21] <s-fox> Nice error message
[12:22] <oimon> is starvin' like marvin
[12:22] <MooDoo> oimon: +1
[12:23] <oimon> not sure whether to get fish+chips even though i'm having curry oinght
[12:24] <bigcalm> oimon: what does your tummy say?
[12:24] <oimon> bigcalm: i've learned not to trust my tummy
[12:24] <oimon> sometimes he lies
[12:25] <oimon> and changes his mind
[12:25] <gord> huh, if i put an sd card in my printer, it mounts in ubuntu. i love modern technology
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> so your printer is a cardreader.. woo :)
[12:27] <langus> nick llewangus
[12:27] <langus> nic llewangus
[12:27] <gord> i only put an sd card in it because i had an sd card i knew i was going to lose and saw an empty slot ;)
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> langus: forgot a / in front of that
[12:27] <langus> Sorry
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> langus: /nick foobar
[12:27] <langus> Hi everyone
[12:28] <screen-x> \o langus
[12:28] <llewangus> There we go who was that wierdo langus huh ;-)
[12:31] <llewangus> I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction - I'm not sure what I did but when I try scrol through menues like the application menu it does not always open the next menu and I have to double click - I have tried loads of search terms - but I don't know what I am actually asking.... Any help would be very gratfully recieved.
[12:31] <Mez> gord: you see something not in a slot so put it in a slot regularly ? :P
[12:34] <gord> Mez, it was either that or leave the sd card all alone on my desk for a few days until it magically vanishes never to be found again!
[12:35] <kvarley> Anybody here use glc-capture? I can't get it to work with enemy territory wolfenstein
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> what is it
[12:35] <Mez> gord: never mind, there was a joke in there somewhere :D
[12:36] <gord> i'm sure archaeologists in years to come will unearth it
[12:39] <kvarley> "ERROR: ld.so: object 'libglc-hook.so.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored."
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: libglc-hook.so.0 doesn't exist, or is of the wrong architecture, I guess
[12:41] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Hmmm bizarre
[12:50] <Myrtti> czajkowski: count your blessings with Drupal tho
[12:51] <Myrtti> czajkowski: you ain't seen hell before you've tried something built on Java, such as Liferay.
[12:52] <Myrtti> *shudder*
[12:52] <AlanBell> bother, I think I am going to have to scrap my car
[12:53] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: why?
[12:53] <AlanBell> garage doesn't want to MOT it because it will go bang on the emissions test
[12:53] <AlanBell> they are looking up the price of a new engine
[12:53] <gord> really hope this 1911 filter on youtube is going to stay forever. eating my lunch time sammich is much improved
[12:54] <seeker> Cut some holes in the floor. Flintstonetastic.
[12:56] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Its something specific to this game because it works for sauerbraten and other games so the library is there
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: the game could be 32-bit on a 64-bit system
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> if the library is 64-bit, it won't work
[12:57] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Ohhhhhhh, interesting. Yes I imagine sauerbraten is 64 bit and so is the library. However, this game is 32 bit :/ hhhmmm
[12:58] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Would putting the 32 bit library there instead of the current one work?
[12:59] <DJones> AlanBell: What is so seriously wrong that it needs a new engine
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: I think so.. as long as all the 32-bit libraries that the library depends on are available
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: why are you LD_PRELOADing anyway?
[13:00] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: It's a capture program for games so it needs to be loaded first I think. I just realised that I should have symlinked the libraries on install...DOH
[13:00] <AlanBell> DJones: it lost some power and is making a bad knocking sound
[13:01] <davmor2> did it go tick tick tick boom
[13:01] <DJones> AlanBell: Ouch, sounds like blown piston/valve
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> could just be a bad spark plug
[13:10] <njpatel> davmor2, ping, is this still an issue for you? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/728393
[13:34] <davmor2> njpatel: not as such no however I think there maybe a new issue related.  open the apps lens and drag an icon into the launcher (I did solitare) for me I just had a blank space with a a black arrow reading label to the right of it
[13:35] <njpatel> Dave2, right, could you drop the icon into that space? or do you mean after dropping it was still black?
[13:36] <davmor2> njpatel: after dropping the icon into the space I'll reproduce asap and bug it just short of time at the minut
[13:36] <njpatel> sweet, thanks. I'll close the other one and please re-open if it comes back
[13:36] <njpatel> (DND bug seems different)
[13:37] <davmor2> njpatel: no worries
[13:37] <njpatel> davmor2, actuall, unity 3.8.2 is just building, could you check if it still happens with that (DND bug) before opening?
[13:37] <njpatel> I made some tweaks and hopefully it's fixed
[13:38] <davmor2> njpatel: when does it hit the install tomorrow?
[13:38] <njpatel> it should be available in a few hours
[13:39] <davmor2> njpatel: okay cool give me a ping when it's ready and I'll give it a blast for you
[13:39] <njpatel> awesome, thanks!
[13:43]  * brobostigon plays morewith mumble to get it setup right for tmrw.
[13:44] <penguin42> brobostigon: My experience with it is that the important thing is to entirely ignore the bar graphs and stuff in the wizard and just try to talk to someone
[13:45] <brobostigon> penguin42: i am trying everything, thank you for the pointers.
[13:49] <matti> ;]
[13:49] <brobostigon> good afternoon matti
[13:57] <matti> Hey brobostigon
[13:58] <brobostigon> hey matti
[13:59] <HazRPG> daubers: Just posted on the Cumbrian LUG mailing list about the Sci-Fi exhibit, let me know when you've started a doodle, or any other news and I'll keep them posted :). I might also forward the discussions on the Ubuntu-UK mailing list to... what do you think? Or have you already posted something?
[13:59] <brobostigon> good afternoon HazRPG :)
[14:00] <HazRPG> brobostigon: good afternoonings :)
[14:00] <HazRPG> brobostigon: noticed ya logged in a few times onto mumble, I wasn't around at the time
[14:00] <brobostigon> HazRPG: sorry about last  night, i was feeling in a really bad way.
[14:00] <oimon> wow found an A4 note in my pigeon hole someone had actually written rather than typed. must have taken ages. my hand gets worn out now writing any more than a postit note
[14:00] <brobostigon> HazRPG: on your server, yes.
[14:00] <HazRPG> brobostigon: don't be dude, its fine... we all have our moments from time to time :).
[14:01] <HazRPG> oimon: I can agree with that one!
[14:01] <brobostigon> HazRPG: thank you for understanding.
[14:01] <HazRPG> oimon: Ya can always tell how angry someone is, if they've had to write it out by hand!
[14:01] <HazRPG> brobostigon: :)
[14:01] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[14:02] <HazRPG> Right... I think its food time! I'm STARVING!
[14:02] <HazRPG> *belly grumbles at me*
[14:02] <HazRPG> catch ya all in a bit :)
[14:02] <brobostigon> good plan, :)
[14:02] <brobostigon> bye HazRPG :)
[14:03] <oimon> arggh what's the last date for deposit into ISAs?
[14:03] <oimon> 4 april?
[14:03] <HazRPG> brobostigon: speak later :)
[14:03] <brobostigon> not a clue.
[14:04] <brobostigon> HazRPG: speak later, :)
[14:06] <hamitron> new toy is ace
[14:06] <hamitron> :)
[14:13] <oimon> spotted an april fool on launchpad : bug 747014
[14:21] <oimon> anyone running natty care to confirm a bug for me?
[14:22] <brobostigon> oimon: what is the bug?
[14:23] <oimon> setup 2 users on the machine e.g. local and local2. login to unity session with local2. then ssh to the box as local user. attempt to restart system as local2 user, and the machine fails to boot, only logs you out
[14:25] <brobostigon> that will take some setting up, i dont have two users setup,
[14:28]  * BigRedS stumbles across the caterbury distribution
[14:30] <oimon> BigRedS: i like the name - very english feel
[14:32] <gord> thats it, for the thousand time someone has posted "In a life without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates? !linux" - on identica. i'm unsubscribing from the !linux group
[14:32] <hamitron> :)
[14:33] <oimon> gord: isn't that based off a windows slogan?
[14:33] <oimon> Windows®. Life without Walls™. Acer recommends Windows 7.
[14:33] <gord> i don't know, i don't care, its lame and people need to stop saying it as if its some awesome new profound statement that surely no one else has heard before
[14:34] <directhex> gord++
[14:34] <gord> its especially stupid as we all use walls and fences, they are awesome, keeps my house up
[14:34] <oimon> somebody actually had something like that as their sugnature on a office email at work. i was not impressed
[14:34] <oimon> i got that acer quote off the page for their linux aspire revo :)
[14:34] <davmor2> gord: I prefer the T-shirt slogan I got at LRL the one year.  Microsoft sells you Windows.  Linux gives you the whole house!
[14:35] <shauno> it can't be any worse than the ones about printing your email :/
[14:35] <directhex> how about we focus on a superior product rather than smug slogans? it'd help
[14:35] <oimon> yeah lol, usually that sig makes the email go onto 2 pages isntead of 1
[14:37] <hamitron> hehe directhex
[14:38] <directhex> too many people talk about their use of linux on the basis of it being not windows. like they're "sticking it to microsoft" or somesuch
[14:38] <directhex> it's all very childish
[14:41] <shauno> I don't see that so often anymore.  only the few stragglers that didn't get the memo about apple-bashing being 'in' this year :p
[14:41] <BigRedS> gord: Identi.ca is where lame setatements that people need to stop saying are repeated
[14:41] <diplo> I believe all the systems have there places and uses, I use lot's of different distros and think they all have the place.
[14:41] <hamitron> best way is to just bash and moan about everything imo
[14:41] <diplo> Just don't agree with pricing/licensing of some that's about it for me
[14:42] <hamitron> constructive to try improve something imo ;)
[14:42] <hamitron> regardless of becoming the best
[14:42] <hamitron> the best can get better
[14:43] <AlanBell> well I  have my car back now
[14:43] <hamitron> :D
[14:43] <AlanBell> anyone know how to scrap a car?
[14:43] <BigRedS> diplo: I'm the opposite, I've settled on somethingm, it works everywhere(ish) and so that's what I generaly aim to use
[14:43] <oimon> identica sounds useful - if all the numpties hang out there, then i can avoid it
[14:43] <oimon> AlanBell: leave it somewhere in E London - it will be gone by the next day
[14:44] <directhex> AlanBell, getting a SORN is a good start
[14:44] <BigRedS> AlanBell: also there's new tax/insurance/sorn related rules that I've forgotten
[14:44] <BigRedS> I think as soon as there's no insurance now, it needs to be sorned
[14:44] <hamitron> don't they normally give you £20 for scrapping your car?
[14:44] <BigRedS> rather than just when the tax runs out as it was before
[14:45] <hamitron> BigRedS: you sure?
[14:45] <hamitron> I know they were taling about doing that
[14:45] <hamitron> talking*
[14:45] <BigRedS> hamitron: I don't know if it's happened *yet*
[14:45] <oimon> don't know how genuine this is..high result on google http://www.scrap-car-uk.com/
[14:46] <diplo> BigRedS, I use windows on my work machine for one reason, and that's because I can't get the fans to stop going Full pelt under Linux otherwise I think I could run solely on Ubuntu now
[14:46] <BigRedS> but it is a certainty, though the only dates I've seen are 'early 2011' which is getting more and more useless as a date ...
[14:46] <BigRedS> diplo: just unplug the fans :)
[14:46] <oimon> diplo: which model machine is it?
[14:46] <hamitron> do you need insurance to drive something to get an MOT?
[14:46] <BigRedS> hamitron: yeah
[14:47] <gordonjcp> hamitron: yes
[14:47] <hamitron> thought so
[14:47] <gordonjcp> hamitron: no insurance is about the only thing you *cannot* get away with
[14:47] <BigRedS> getting tax depends upon both insurance and MOT, but *having* tax doesn't until these new rules
[14:47] <hamitron> you had to show insurence details to get tax....
[14:47] <diplo> Lappy
[14:48] <diplo> HP Probook 4720s
[14:49] <gordonjcp> hamitron: long story short, you must have insurance for it to be even look like it's on a road
[14:49] <hamitron> well, I'm not declaring mine sorn if I have to delay buying insurence, if I have paid for the tax disc
[14:49] <gordonjcp> hamitron: you can drive to the MOT station without an MOT, as long as it's booked in, and you can drive between the MOT station and the place you're going to get the MOT failure fixed
[14:50] <hamitron> sell all my bikes if it gets a hassle :/
[14:50] <BigRedS> gordonjcp: I'm pretty sure the latter part of that is not so
[14:50] <gordonjcp> and if you have no tax disc you technically can get done for that, but if you're on the way to the MOT station then you'll generally get away with it
[14:50] <gordonjcp> BigRedS: going by the MOT Tester Manual...
[14:50] <AlanBell> if the MOT is booked you can drive there
[14:51] <hamitron> gordonjcp: they can't "do you" for no tax disc, when the MOT is a requirement to get one
[14:51] <hamitron> :/
[14:51] <gordonjcp> hamitron: well, you are strictly committing an offence
[14:51] <BigRedS> gordonjcp: Ah, that's quite canonical on the subject :)
[14:52] <gordonjcp> BigRedS: it's also a bit out-of-date
[14:52] <BigRedS> hamitron: the offence is being on the road without a tax disk. If you've no tax they expect you to trailer it there.
[14:52] <BigRedS> but the whole thing makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
[14:52] <gordonjcp> but I'm MOTing at least a car a month at the moment
[14:52] <gordonjcp> so I'll ask next time I'm in
[14:53] <gordonjcp> anyway I had an Ubuntu question, but I'm glad to see that this channel is at off-topic as my other favourite IRC channels ;-)
[14:53] <hamitron> time they did something useful, like clamp down on uninsured drivers
[14:53] <hamitron> oh, sorry
[14:53] <hamitron> :)
[14:53] <gordonjcp> old people who can't see properly and have no idea what speed they're doing
[14:53] <hamitron> shoot them
[14:53] <hamitron> \o/
[14:54] <BigRedS> we're normally pretty good at sticking to the 'uk' bit of the topic...
[14:54] <gordonjcp> and thus drive at 37mph *everywhere* regardless of speed limit, until they drive up the back of my tractor
[14:54] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I wont be online tomorrow for UGJ
[14:54] <darkwingduck_> uk
[14:54] <gordonjcp> anyway
[14:54] <hamitron> I got pulled by police doing 25 mph in a 60mph zone :/
[14:54] <gordonjcp> I have 10.04, and I want to get the volume control working
[14:54] <bigcalm> darkwingduck_: I'm fine thank you, how are you? ;)
[14:54] <gordonjcp> at the moment it shows a speaker symbol and three dashes
[14:55] <darkwingduck_> me so fine
[14:55] <darkwingduck_> bored
[14:57] <darkwingduck_> welcome to the uk
[14:58] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: click on it and uncheck the mute checkbox
[14:58] <czajkowski> darkwingduck_: howdy
[14:58] <gordonjcp> there isn't a mute checkbox
[14:58] <darkwingduck_> not a yank
[14:58] <gordonjcp> there's a greyed-out option for "Mute All"
[14:58] <dutchie> is there a sound prefs thing?
[14:59] <dutchie> i have a mute box there on maverick, think it was onther on hardy too
[14:59] <dogmatic69> anyone know if/how i could run my own personal 'dynamic dns' server?
[14:59] <hamitron> dogmatic69: you could
[15:00] <gordonjcp> dutchie: yes, but when I click on sound preferences I get a message "Waiting for sound system to respond" after about a minute
[15:00] <darkwingduck_> dydns
[15:00] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: run a DNS such as bind9 and give your records really low TTL
[15:00] <dogmatic69> cool
[15:00] <dogmatic69> is it much work to setup a dns?
[15:00] <hamitron> my question to dogmatic69 would be "why?" ;)
[15:00] <darkwingduck_> its easy
[15:00] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: if you need to ask how to set up DNS, I don't think that you're ready to run your own dyndns farm
[15:01] <dutchie> gordonjcp: not much good at debugging sound stuff more complex than that, sorry
[15:01] <dogmatic69> im just to tight to pay for doing <something>.dogmatic69.com when i can do it for free
[15:01] <darkwingduck_> no i dont think he is
[15:01] <darkwingduck_> do u know what dns stands for even
[15:01] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: I use joker.com. They offer dyndns facilities for free
[15:01] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: i know very little about dns, need to learn :)
[15:01] <dogmatic69> domain name server..
[15:02] <dogmatic69> system... close enough
[15:02] <gordonjcp> is it possibly a pulseaudio thing?
[15:02] <hamitron> brb, need to see if ANY comp here has CF slot :/
[15:02] <shauno> bind's nowhere near as terrifying as you'd imagine.  just make liberal use of named-checkconf  and named-checkzone every time you push anything
[15:03] <dogmatic69> 6 months ago i knew nothing about linux... now i can get around terminal, mostly ;)
[15:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[15:04] <czajkowski> davmor2: meh
[15:04] <czajkowski> 14:49 < czajkowski> hmm did latest updates of natty, rebooted and not coming back to life... either my laptop is messed up, or latest updates breaks things, jcastro any idea?
[15:04] <czajkowski> 14:53 < czajkowski> hmm every time I put my mouse over the text box to click on the user nick to log in the screen goes BLACK
[15:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: I've said it before I'll say it again "STOP UPDATING/UPGRADING YOUR MACHINE, YOU BREAK IT EVERYTIME YOU DO" ;)
[15:06] <hamitron> :)
[15:07] <czajkowski> :s
[15:07] <davmor2> czajkowski: this is on gdm right you're trying to login to your computer correct?
[15:08] <czajkowski> aye
[15:08] <dogmatic69> czajkowski: you update to the april 1st version by chance?
[15:08] <oimon> lol
[15:09] <AlanBell> 4/30
[15:10] <darkwingduck_> yawn
[15:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: I have no idea how you would go about fixing gdm I've never managed to break it that bad.  You can try ALT-CTRL-F1 login sudo service gdm restart and then A-C-F7 see if that fixes it
[15:13] <czajkowski> seem teh mouse pad is ultra sensative...
[15:13] <czajkowski> wont let me click on it
[15:14] <czajkowski> but as soon as I touch on it , it alternatives between gdm and command line
[15:14] <czajkowski> I really do break things
[15:15] <davmor2> czajkowski: You should be banned from using computer for their safety :P
[15:16] <czajkowski> oh if I plug in a mouse I can login....
[15:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: turn down the sensitivity of the pad once your in then
[15:18] <bigcalm> Spitting out slabs of lime scale is a sure sine the kettel needs some attention
[15:20] <silner> It's amazing how much limescale there has to be before you start to taste it
[15:20] <silner> Or it could just be my tastebuds are dead
[15:21] <hamitron> we have a ball of wire mesh to help
[15:21] <hamitron> rolls around in the kettle and it turns to a ball of limescale that you take out and smash :)
[15:22] <hamitron> for the most part it works
[15:22] <DJones> hamitron: Isn't a ball of wire mesh better know as a brillowpad
[15:24] <czajkowski> davmor2: odd, changing the sensitivity of the mouse makes no difference.
[15:24] <czajkowski> it's liek the think pad area has a mind of it's own
[15:24] <silner> They look pretty similar
[15:24] <hamitron> DJones: shrugs
[15:25] <davmor2> czajkowski: are you changing the sensitivity of the trackpad or the mouse?
[15:25] <czajkowski> tackpad
[15:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: does for me so no idea must be a thinkpad think that or God hates you and this is your penance :D
[15:26] <hamitron> DJones: similar I suppose
[15:26] <hamitron> http://www.discountsuperstore.co.uk/products/53615/
[15:26] <davmor2> s/think/thing
[15:28] <njpatel> davmor2, dude, 3.8.2 is available
[15:28] <davmor2> njpatel: cool I'll give it a try asap
[15:30] <njpatel> thanks
[15:30] <czajkowski> davmor2: not feeling the love buddy!
[15:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: Sorry sweetness but there no a lot I can do from here for your machine not work there even if I knew how to fix it :(
[15:33] <czajkowski> how on earth do I log a bug against a track pad for flip sake
[15:33] <czajkowski> :(
[15:33] <czajkowski> I shouldnt be allowed near computers you know
[15:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: that was my earlier triage for your bug
[15:35] <exobuzz> 3:35pm. too early for the pub ?
[15:36] <brobostigon> exobuzz: never, :)
[15:36] <gord> czajkowski, xserver normally i think
[15:36] <exobuzz> i think im going to agree and have a pint then
[15:37] <davmor2> gord: that's what I thought but xserver is now automatic so nothing will show up there, hence I'd of thought of toning down the speed via the mouse settings
[15:38] <screen-x> shade your eyes! http://www.dokuwiki.org
[15:39] <davmor2> screen-x: we all thought you were our friend and then you go and do that to us
[15:39] <Mez> can anyone reccomend a spanish company for dedi servers?
[15:40] <czajkowski> gord: thanks
[15:40] <directhex> el space del rack?
[15:43] <davmor2> njpatel: seems to of fixed it partially.  There is a glitch when dnd record my desktop icon in.  The icon changes to an all grey ? however once dropped it changes to the record my desktop icon again
[15:44] <njpatel> davmor2, weird....that's definitely a bug
[15:44] <njpatel> (thanks for testing too :)
[15:44] <Mez> directhex: rackspace?
[15:50] <czajkowski> gord: when I type xsever it tabs to xserver- ?
[15:50] <czajkowski> any idea what I should put it against
[15:52] <davmor2> czajkowski: ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg
[15:58] <bigcalm> If you double click on a word in a web browser, it will sellect that word. I'm using some JS to give a span an action. Is there a way to stop double the hilighting with multiple clicks?
[15:58] <oimon> czajkowski: often i update natty halfway during the builds process and it breaks *everything* - have you tried a subsequent pacakge update since your breakage?
[16:03] <screen-x> bigcalm: you could attempt to disable selection with css, but that doesn't work in IE :(
[16:05] <bigcalm> Ah well
[16:05] <bigcalm> I could make them <buttons> instead
[16:10] <pwuertz> hi! does anybody know about a qt example application for graph-node-editing like this? http://ktown.kde.org/~zrusin/quasar1.png
[16:12] <screen-x> pwuertz: that looks like quartz composer
[16:12] <pwuertz> screen-x, exactly
[16:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: I get that not 2 on gdm definitely a bug.  You can of course do what I did and click on enter then type in your password :)
[16:14] <czajkowski> davmor2: eh
[16:15] <screen-x> pwuertz: have you had a look at http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/quasar/ ?
[16:15] <hamin> :D
[16:16] <screen-x> hi hamin :)
[16:16] <hamitron> that is on my thin client
[16:16] <hamitron> :)
[16:17] <pwuertz> screen-x, ahh thanks, I didn't know about this site
[16:17] <screen-x> what sort of thin client hamitron?
[16:18] <hamitron> erm
[16:18] <davmor2> czajkowski: your bug is infectious
[16:18] <hamitron> http://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/VXLpercio/index.shtml
[16:18] <hamitron> running tinycore on it
[16:18] <screen-x> its a real live parallel port!
[16:19] <hamitron> I seem to ahve lost the terminal on it
[16:19] <davmor2> czajkowski: they say there is an update that fixes it so you need to do apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:20] <czajkowski> ok
[16:20] <czajkowski> davmor2: so not me going mad then!!!!!!!
[16:20] <czajkowski> whats the bug number so I can go me too!
[16:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: I don't know I just asked on the right channel and was told to upgrade again it had been fixed
[16:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: you should see a xserver-xorg-synaptics  in the list of packages being updated
[16:23] <davmor2> or something similar
[16:25] <czajkowski> ok
[16:27] <domjohnson> Hi
[16:28] <davmor2> domjohnson: hello
[16:28] <dogmatic69> o/
[16:28] <domjohnson> I have a problem while copying to/from an SD card onto my computer. I'm trying o copy a video file from it, both via the internal SD card reader and a USB adapter, and it copies a couple of hundred megabytes before failing with an "Input/Output Error"
[16:28] <dogmatic69> disk full?
[16:28] <bigcalm> domjohnson: possibly the SD card is curropt
[16:29] <domjohnson> bigcalm - perhaps, but the camera has no problems with it, and its the same for two different SD cards that have been used in two different cameras.
[16:30] <bigcalm> Try copying the files one by one
[16:30] <bigcalm> To see where it fails
[16:31] <oimon> also /var/log/messages may have some useful infgo
[16:31] <czajkowski> davmor2: hmmm
[16:31] <czajkowski> still no change
[16:31] <davmor2> czajkowski: you need to reboot
[16:32] <domjohnson> bigcalm - I have tried copying one by one - but its a big file...out of about 700MB, it fails on 209
[16:33] <domjohnson> Seems that the device disconnects itself
[16:33] <pwuertz> screen-x, I'm very sorry, but how do I checkout this directory you posted? Svn refuses to download it because of some relocate error...
[16:51] <screen-x> pwuertz: "svn co svn://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/quasar" works for me
[16:52] <mgdm> popey: ping?
[16:53] <pwuertz> screen-x, ah ok.. tried http :/
[17:06]  * DJones debates, faster processer/smaller screen or slower processor/larger screen for a laptop
[17:06] <Laney> how small is smaller?
[17:06] <DJones> 1366x768 v 1600x900
[17:07] <DJones> Its not as if I do anything that would be processor hungry
[17:07] <DJones> I don't play games, occasionally a bit of video conversion but thats about all
[17:08] <popey> mgdm: pong?
[17:08] <bigcalm> popey: he needs a bath
[17:09] <mgdm> popey: in our discussion about web servers the other day - I forgot to ask if you've got APC or Xcache or some other accelerator like that installed
[17:09] <BigRedS> smaller screen!
[17:09] <BigRedS> assuming everything else gets smaller also
[17:11] <DJones> BigRedS: I like the larger screen space though
[17:11] <popey> mgdm: none of those
[17:11] <Laney> I find my 13" MBP to be a perfect size
[17:12] <mgdm> popey: ! - install php5-apc, I think the package is called - usually improves performance by about 40% on WP installs, in my experience
[17:12] <popey> will try that on my blog, thanks!
[17:13] <popey> does it need configuring?
[17:14] <mgdm> not for your purposes
[17:14] <mgdm> for the common cases the defaults are fine
[17:15] <popey> thanks
[17:15]  * Laney is going to try ikiwiki for le blog soon
[17:15] <popey> +1 on the 13" mbp
[17:17] <willy_1977> I think I'd go smaller if I had a choice... less weight when I cycle in :p
[17:18] <hamitron> I am tempted with this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/215084
[17:18] <willy_1977> plus I can always plug in to a monitor with more space (caveats on graphics card of course) when I get to the office / customers
[17:20] <DJones> Size/weight aren't that much of a consideration, 99% of the time it'll be used at one place, current screen size is 1600x1200 which is why I'm more tempted to the larger screen
[17:21] <hamitron> well, I like my dell laptop
[17:21] <hamitron> old, heavy and saves on gym fees
[17:22] <DJones> hamitron: Sounds like mine, saves visiting a museum as well, just look at the laptop & see ancient history
[17:22] <hamitron> :))
[17:22] <hamitron> I've even upgraded to a geforce 4 now
[17:22] <hamitron> so even better \o/
[17:23] <DJones> If its been upgraded, it can't be a "classic" though, yours is the 8200 from memory
[17:23] <hamitron> 8100
[17:23] <hamitron> came with a geforce 2
[17:23] <DJones> Same as mine then
[17:24] <hamitron> my 2nd one still has a geforce 2
[17:24] <hamitron> ;)
[17:24] <hamitron> dedicated scalextric pitstop control system \o/
[17:25] <DJones> Comparing it to whats out now and comparing the prices makes me think though, I bought it when it was released back in the Windows ME days
[17:25] <hamitron> £2300ish? ;)
[17:26] <hamitron> mine was anyway :/
[17:26] <DJones> Yep
[17:26] <hamitron> oh, tell a lie
[17:26] <hamitron> my 2nd laptop is the latitude C810
[17:26] <hamitron> the one I wanted at the time that cost £3850
[17:27] <hamitron> was out of budget :/
[17:27] <hamitron> bought it for £40
[17:28] <DJones> Heh
[17:28] <hamitron> so guess that kinda puts devaluation into perspective
[17:28] <DJones> I wonder how many of todays laptops will still be working and day to day use in 10 years time though
[17:29] <gord> lots of people still use windows xp laptops, windows xp was what 10 years ago?
[17:29] <hamitron> my friend got a time laptop at the same time as me getting the dell..... he is on his 5th laptop....
[17:29] <DJones> gord: About that, I got the laptop in the last days of Windows ME, I tried changing the order before it was delivered to XP put on it
[17:30] <DJones> Ah well, home time now
[17:30] <hamitron> I got XP and always wanted ME :/
[17:30] <hamitron> I was 2 weeks late for ME
[17:30] <gord> these days i prefer low power usage/long battery life in my portable machines. my desktop can be my powerhouse, i don't need a laptop to be all that powerful. just enough to get by
[17:31] <hamitron> gord: I never actually run off battery still
[17:31] <hamitron> it is more of a portable desktop+monitor
[17:31] <shauno> if the battery's 10 years old too, I can't blame you :p
[17:31] <hamitron> but for most uses, I agree with you
[17:31] <hamitron> shauno: still get 2 hours
[17:32] <gord> i found myself in a similar situation, so i decided to stop using my laptop and get a desktop. nice big monitor - nice powerful machine
[17:32] <gord> use a netbook for my portable stuff. only use the laptop when traveling
[17:33] <hamitron> I still use my inspiron for old games
[17:33] <hamitron> :)
[17:33] <hamitron> no drivers for win98 for my last 3 desktop machines :/
[17:34] <hamitron> desktops are better for sure
[17:34] <hamitron> and netbooks are more portable
[17:34] <hamitron> but there is some use for that inbetween where you want a bit more power and to move around
[17:35] <hamitron> I did a lot of CAD work on my laptop when studying
[17:35] <hamitron> now a netbook......
[17:35] <hamitron> :(
[17:36] <gord> of course we are all stupid, in five years everyone will be using tablets and won't even know what a desktop/laptop *is*.
[17:36] <hamitron> I'd replace "everyone" with "most people"
[17:37] <brobostigon> or "alot of people"
[17:37] <hamitron> yeh
[17:37] <hamitron> for the average joe pratting about on facebook, a tablet is all they need
[17:37] <hamitron> but I don't think the world has moved on enough, to the point we can all do no work
[17:38] <hamitron> tbh, I'd prefer a world where on computer has an OS
[17:38] <hamitron> no*
[17:39] <hamitron> then we all carry our "comp" around as a usb stick
[17:39] <brobostigon> that wouldbe no fun.
[17:39] <gord> i was being sarcastic
[17:39] <hamitron> boot our OS of choice
[17:39] <gord> i think most people will still use laptops
[17:39] <hamitron> gord: I could see your joking actually happening :)
[17:40] <mgdm> I rather suspect the computer on a USB stick thing might be a VM somewhere that you connect to, assuming pervasive network access
[17:40] <hamitron> mgdm: maybe, yeh
[17:42] <hamitron> whatever happens, can be sure they will leave 5-10% of the population behind, due to technical limitations
[17:44] <hamitron> bbl.food
[18:05] <KrimZon> AHA!
[18:05] <penguin42> hamitron: Well, you could fit a reasonable machine on a USB stick
[18:05] <penguin42> hamitron: Think about a high end mobile but remove pesky things like the battery, lcd, and phone stuff
[18:06] <KrimZon> this time, I was reading mail in gmail, and the thumbnail icon for a youtube video linked in the email but added to the page by gmail, popped up in a new tab - this might be due to optimizegoogle
[18:08] <KrimZon> unless gmail always does that without the extension
[18:17] <hamitron> penguin42: my image is more, just a storage device like we have now, but everyone boots off them into their OS/system of choice
[18:17] <penguin42> hamitron: Oh you mean just an actual USB key ?
[18:17] <hamitron> yeh
[18:18] <penguin42> boring!
[18:18] <hamitron> what you suggest would be more fun
[18:18] <penguin42> oh, cpu, storage, ram - just plug in a monitor and keyboard
[18:18] <hamitron> but the most important thing to most people is their data
[18:19] <directhex> moo.
[18:19] <hamitron> if each public pc had no storage, it would be easier to administrate, alongside all users having their data and choice of software
[18:20] <penguin42> indeed, that's all the thinclient stuff
[18:20] <davmor2> MOO!
[18:20] <penguin42> or ChromeOS
[18:21] <hamitron> yeh
[18:21]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski as she isn't here to retaliate muhahahahaha
[18:21] <hamitron> only google has this idea of everything being stored on their cloud
[18:21] <hamitron> :/
[18:22] <hamitron> apps run remotely
[18:22] <hamitron> if the OS and apps are stored on the local usb key, speed would be much better
[18:23] <penguin42> hamitron: Actually given USB sticks normal speed I'm not sure if that's true
[18:23] <hamitron> usb3....
[18:23] <hamitron> ssd usb3.0 drives
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> esata \o/
[18:24] <hamitron> or esata
[18:24] <mgdm> Magic data pixies \o/
[18:24] <hamitron> or magic pixies
[18:24] <hamitron> erm... ;/
[18:25] <hamitron> I think usb is the best, as there is a wide range of devices already with it
[18:25] <hamitron> not many comps with cases that have front facing esata
[18:26] <shauno> I don't have any machines with front-facing usb3 :)
[18:26] <hamitron> but usb2 is enough!
[18:27] <hamitron> slower, but functional
[18:27] <hamitron> also, usb is easier to multiply ports
[18:28] <hamitron> geeks could get usb keys with built in devices, like sound cards, etc
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> my 3G modem comes with built-in micro-SD reader
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> for some useless reason
[18:29] <hamitron> MartijnVdS: reckon you could boot off it?
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> No, it's in "CD-mode" then
[18:30] <hamitron> but anyway, I think all this boot stuff would be cool in the public place
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> you have to poke it with usb-modeswitch before it shows itself (3G modem + SD reader)
[18:33]  * daubers just had to ring the rozzers after having stuff hurled at him at junction 12
[18:34] <brobostigon> :(
[18:34] <brobostigon> ouh.
[18:34] <daubers> Ah well, shall let the authorities deal with them
[18:35] <brobostigon> yes. :)
[18:35] <hamitron> stuff?
[18:40] <directhex> MartijnVdS, you want to know the reason?
[18:40] <daubers> hamitron: No idea what it was
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> directhex: for what?
[18:40] <directhex> MartijnVdS, the sd slot
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Sure
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> Because the "CD-ROM" part contains the Windows/MacOS drivers..
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> it's not for that
[18:41] <directhex> MartijnVdS, the chipset inside the dongle is pretty much off-the-shelf for use inside phones
[18:41] <directhex> MartijnVdS, so the chipset already has an SD controller
[18:42] <directhex> wiring it up is a cheap way to advertise moar features
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> integrated circuit is integrated :)
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> more integrated than I realized :)
[18:43] <directhex> wonder what i did wit5h my dongle, since i don't need it
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> I don't really use mine either.. my laptop has a built-in Gobi 2000
[19:12] <shauno> bored of april fools' already.  all my feeds are full of junk :(
[19:15] <brobostigon> same here,
[19:16] <BigRedS> yeah, I've avoided twitter today mostly
[19:16] <BigRedS> and slashdot
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> Everyone in the Netherlands is tweeting from "#FE11"
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> doing outrageous things.. or so they say
[19:20] <directhex> MartijnVdS, does your gobi sometimes randomly drop & reappear during use?
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> I don't use it that often
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> haven't noticed it
[19:21] <directhex> i'm on mine right now. thanks, BT!
[19:22] <shauno> my dongle seems to drop if it gets to warm :(
[19:22]  * mgdm quotes that out of context
[19:22] <shauno> someone had to
[19:23] <shauno> but still, been tempted to take a dremel to it :/  usb sticks shouldn't need heatsinks
[19:35]  * MartijnVdS is seldom tempted to dremel hardware
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> but I might be strange
[19:38] <directhex> i can't play any minecraft :(
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> because of the upgradE?
[19:39] <directhex> MartijnVdS, dsl's gone poof
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> ah
[19:39] <shauno> you ran out of internets and you're worried about mc?
[19:39] <directhex> shauno, i have super slow 3g
[19:41] <suprengr> b00!
[19:41]  * suprengr is on 1st of 3 days off... bokkie o' beer in hand.  Feeling sarcastic... warning ;)
[19:41] <brobostigon> ok, see you chaps nd gals later, i am going out nd having fun.
[19:42] <zleap> i found a hdd with breezy on to day :D
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> zleap: wow.. stone-age :)
[19:42] <zleap> yeah, i took a few old hard disks in to where i am volunteering to try and get a computer working,
[19:43] <zleap> so tried to install 9.04 and it showed up on the patition screen 5.10 breezy
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> wow
[19:43] <zleap> we think there is an issue with the primaryt ide channel as it won't boot,  i can install when it finds the hdd (hence the above)
[19:45] <suprengr> zleep checked the cable from ide1 outlet to hdd?  an often missed instant problem solver.
[19:46] <zleap> i will do
[19:46] <suprengr> cool
[19:46] <zleap> next friday need to put ram back in and check everything over again
[19:46] <directhex> IDE? that's the interface based on smoke signals, right?
[19:46] <zleap> hmm
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> Nah, you can use eclipse to attach disks?! :)
[19:46] <zleap> one of the other hdds i tried has windows on it
[19:47] <zleap> but that just blue screened
[19:47] <suprengr> ide... [no it's just an ide[a]  :)
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> don't forget to do "long" SMART tests
[19:48]  * MartijnVdS had a 1.5TB disk die this week :(
[19:48] <zleap> ouch
[19:48]  * suprengr cries for MartijnVdS 
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> Good thing it was in my NAS in RAID1
[19:48] <zleap> i did a fsck last week and a disk check today no errors
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> fsck isn't enough
[19:48] <zleap> it would be funny if it could come up with an error if it finds windows
[19:48] <zleap> ah
[19:48] <zleap> what about disk check from the ubuntu install
[19:49] <suprengr> zleap: [ckeck that cable
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> suprengr: €60 got me a new disk.. and a nice cup of tea with a good friend :)
[19:49] <zleap> ok
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> suprengr: (who lives just around the corner)
[19:49] <zleap> well this comptuer when working should have a whole 512 mb ram
[19:49] <suprengr> MartijnVdS: like it ;)
[19:50] <zleap> which is better than having other computers with 3 64mb sticks of pc100 or 133 in
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> speaking of memory.. I need to check this machine
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> I don't remember if I put in 2x2GB or 4x1GB sticks of RAM
[19:51] <zleap> thats it rub it in
[19:51] <zleap> the lighthouse IT department welcome donations of such computers :D
[19:51] <hamitron> I just built mine, so know I ahve 2x4gb ;)
[19:51]  * DJones rubs a bit harder and is going for 2 laptops tomorrow, both with 4Gb
[19:51] <hamitron> :))
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: That's why I'm checking :) I want more gigabyteses
[19:52] <daubers> I have a dozen 12TB NAS boxes on the bench in the office with 12GB of RAM in each :)
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> but I also want a Sandy Bridge i7, but that'd mean replacing the motherboard
[19:52] <hamitron> I need a 256Mb PC133 144 pin SODIMM if anyone has any spare
[19:52]  * MartijnVdS shakes his fist at daubers
[19:52] <zleap> hmm if anything i have 64mb
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: I have 64M
[19:52] <zleap> or 128
[19:52] <suprengr> daubers: ... boasting!
[19:52] <hamitron> my new box has 64mb already ty
[19:53] <zleap> 64mb ram
[19:53] <daubers> suprengr: They've all ben sold to clients though :( Just going through load testing
[19:53] <suprengr> ;(
[19:53] <DJones> hamitron: If thats the machine you posted a pic of before, I'm sure I've got some old memory sticks that are bigger than that box
[19:54] <hamitron> DJones: hehe
[19:54] <suprengr> daubers: was going to ask for 1 till last comment!
[19:54] <hamitron> DJones: I am focused on it, max out the ram and it will be sweet
[19:54]  * suprengr gets wallet out
[19:54] <hamitron> linux kernel doesn't know of SIS cpu, but seems to work fine
[19:54] <DJones> daubers: What about the one that fell off the workbench
[19:55] <daubers> DJones: I have got a smashed up one that was dropped on it's way to the IoM
[19:55] <zleap> lol
[19:55] <zleap> IoM
[19:55] <zleap> isle of mann
[19:55] <daubers> Need to write a report for the insurance peoples
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> did it sink? :)
[19:56] <suprengr> rebuild, rebuild, superglue,. wallet.... mmmmm
[19:56] <daubers> suprengr: MoBo has a crack in it...
[19:56] <zleap> duct tape (or is that duck tape) can never remember
[19:57] <suprengr> daubers: /me withdraws offer as fast as /me can run
[19:57] <daubers> suprengr: I also have no idea what damage has been done to the disks after that kind of wallop
[19:57] <suprengr> ...& runs faster still!
[19:58] <jacobw> How do you start gnome terminal on Unity :|
[19:59] <suprengr> zleap: duct tape is the strong one - duck tape requires a cassette player to listen to... quack!
[19:59] <zleap> ah
[19:59] <zleap> so use the former, duct tape
[20:00] <suprengr> unless you like  "quake"
[20:00] <zleap> yeah
[20:00] <suprengr> or "quack"
[20:00] <zleap> not played that much
[20:00] <zleap> i played doom a lot though
[20:00]  * mgdm prefers gaffer tape
[20:00] <jacobw> Hmm, I found terminal now.
[20:00]  * suprengr prefers Doom and gaffer tape
[20:01] <zleap> ctrl-alt+T brings up terminal
[20:01] <jacobw> Some parts of Unity are intuitive, other parts are just like APP FOR THAT! APP FOR THAT!
[20:01] <zleap> well on 10.04 it does
[20:01] <zleap> but its getting more mac like
[20:01] <zleap> even the menus a like how macs work
[20:04] <mgdm> I've not tried unity yet
[20:05] <jacobw> I gave my netbook running Unity to my Dad to show him the new developments, all he did was open Firefox and went straight to GroupOn
[20:05] <zleap> OK
[20:06] <jacobw> All people care about is websites :|
[20:06] <zleap> i installed gnomeDO the other day and failed to work out it actually does
[20:06] <jacobw> I don't whether we should embrace this or not :s
[20:06] <jacobw> Its like Alt-F2 on steroids
[20:06] <directhex> jacobw, more or less
[20:06] <suprengr> Anyone know the way around this..?  HAD KVM installed (didn't like) so went for Virtualbox... but I get VirtualBox can't operate in VMX root mode. Please disable the KVM kernel extension, recompile your kernel and reboot (VERR_VMX_IN_VMX_ROOT_MODE).
[20:07] <directhex> jacobw, try enabling plugins of use to you, then it'll make more sense
[20:07] <directhex> jacobw, e.g. you can hit win-space and type the name of an artist you like (or a few letters of their name), to play them in RB or banshee
[20:07] <directhex> jacobw, it only works if you use it a lot, and correct it when it picks the wrong thing, via arrows/tab
[20:07] <directhex> jacobw, with training, 2 letters is enough for your most common tasks
[20:09] <jacobw> -> zleap
[20:09] <zleap> yeah
[20:10] <zleap> well gnome do puts a huge dialog box on the screen
[20:10] <directhex> win-space "m" = minesweeper!
[20:12] <jacobw> Its an omni-launcher
[20:12] <zleap> ok
[20:13] <zleap> whats omni then
[20:14] <jacobw> Heh, I meant that its supposed to be the way you access everything
[20:15] <jacobw> Its like a command line with autocompletion really, press meta+space and type ban<tab> return to start Banshee etc
[20:15] <directhex> zleap, here's an example. every Host: line in your ~/.ssh/config is understood by the SSH plugin. so you can hit windows-space, and type some of a hostname, hit enter, and you'll ssh that host. it'll spawn a window and log you in. saves opening a terminal and typing the ssh line
[20:16] <zleap> ok
[20:16] <directhex> also uses, say, your firefox history and bookmarks
[20:17] <zleap> ok
[20:17] <zleap> maybe it needs demonstrating
[20:17] <zleap> it just displayed a box with an icon and very little else
[20:18] <gord> i may have only just realised that 7up is not actually green.. its just the bottle that is
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> directhex: except the window closes as soon as you close the connection
[20:18] <jacobw> I don't use it so I can't describe it in detail, but idea is clever :)
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> which might not be what you want
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> Alt+F2 FTW :)
[20:51] <AlanBell> anyone want to jump onto mumble and check their settings for tomorrow?
[20:52] <Pendulum> AlanBell: sure :)
[20:53] <DJones> Are there any reasons _not_ to install 64bit ubuntu on a new machine now?
[20:54] <hamitron> if you are on a machine with less memory, 32 bit will use less?
[20:54] <DJones> Picking a new machine up tomorrow which is 64-bit with 4gb memory, potentially upgradable to 8gb
[20:55] <DJones> Flash always used to be an issue on 64bit machines, from what I can remember, I thought flash was ok now
[20:56] <hamitron> I'd guess so
[20:56] <hamitron> plenty of people here post youtube links anyway, and some of them are sure to be on 64 bit
[20:58] <DJones> Might give natty beta a try with it
[20:59] <hamitron> my ubuntu machine can only handle 2gb ram, so not something that has worried me much
[20:59] <DJones> hamitron: Lucky you, mine can only take 512mb ):
[21:00] <hamitron> :/
[21:00] <hamitron> 512Mb is starting to feeel like a pinch now, I am finding
[21:00] <hamitron> you can't go crazy on it for sure
[21:01] <DJones> Yes, I'm debating whether to reinstall using lubuntu on it or xubuntu
[21:01] <hamitron> imo, best to install a cli, then just install what you want
[21:01] <hamitron> LXDE is a nice choice
[21:02] <hamitron> but I prefer to not have to download lots of different images
[21:02] <hamitron> and just stick to the official alternative cd
[21:03] <andres_kain> hum.. hi, how strict is it to do translations (submit sugestions) without going through the registering emailing list and such...
[21:06] <Neoti> hey people, me again , whats a good MP3 CD ripper for ubuntu i want to rip my CD collection on to my computer @ 192K ish ...
[21:08] <shauno> andres_kain: you might want to try asking in #ubuntu-translators
[21:08] <shauno> I've no idea myself, but they'd surely know where to start :)
[21:09] <andres_kain> OK I'll check that channel.  Hope it's not frowned upon... launchpad lets me so I guess it's not that bad.
[21:16] <andres_kain> didn't need to check the channel. silly me. for suggestions there is no need to get into all that stuff.
[21:17] <DJones> Ouch, I know its El Reg, but this review doesn't do many favours http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/01/ubuntu1004_beta_review/
[21:17] <DJones> Neoti: I use Sound Juicer to rip cd's
[21:20] <Neoti> thanks DJones
[21:21] <shauno> they're less subtle about it, but seem to echo what I'm hearing from everyone else
[21:22] <hamitron> imo ubuntu's high was 8.04
[21:22] <hamitron> 10.04 ok too, but not like 10.x
[21:22] <hamitron> not like 8.04 I mean
[21:23] <directhex> 8.04 was the design high-point
[21:23] <directhex> every theme is uglier since
[21:24] <shauno> heh, I don't judge a distro by the theme.  I always go straight back to Industrial anyway :o)
[21:25] <hamitron> 10.04 seems solid enough, but it just annoys me with some things
[21:26] <hamitron> 1) hardware support... open source is trying to advance faster than hardware is replaced
[21:26] <hamitron> 2) they've tried to make it nicer, by adding things in.... and they just sit unused and get me asking "why?"
[21:27] <hamitron> 3) it just isn't as snappy
[21:27] <hamitron> think that is all, off top of my head
[21:27] <hamitron> :)
[21:28] <suprengr> 4) they keep aiming at unity requiring higher hardware requirement & forgetting original intention!
[21:28]  * suprengr runs for cover!
[21:30] <hamitron> #1 and #3 are not directly because of ubuntu though
[21:31] <hamitron> but I include them, because I am considering the overall experience
[21:32] <Azelphur> shauno: we're trying to do the tree thing on my server
[21:32] <Azelphur> care to join? XD
[21:32] <hamitron> tree thing?
[21:32] <Azelphur> hamitron: super tall trees :P
[21:32] <hamitron> miencraft?
[21:33] <Azelphur> indeed
[21:33] <hamitron> minecraft*
[21:33] <hamitron> how is that done?
[21:33] <Azelphur> hamitron: he did it with like booster rings
[21:33] <Azelphur> but we can't seem to get it to work :(
[21:33] <hamitron> booster rings?
[21:34] <Azelphur> hamitron: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/tree.mov shauno's video :p
[21:35] <hamitron> k
[21:53] <popey> evening
[21:54] <Pendulum> hiya popey
[22:01] <daubers> o/
[22:03] <andres_kain> oye.. estoy usando ubuntu 10.04 porque no me actualiza firefox a 4.0_
[22:03] <andres_kain> ups. wrong channel
[22:03] <andres_kain> but same question
[22:04] <andres_kain> Iḿ with ubuntu 10.04 why doesnt it update 4?
[22:05] <directhex> firefox 4, you mean?
[22:05] <andres_kain> yep
[22:06] <directhex> it breaks a lot of things in the archive, so it's difficult to arrange
[22:06] <directhex> there are many things using firefox's browser engine which need patching or porting or rewriting to use ff4's engine
[22:07] <andres_kain> wow...
[22:07] <andres_kain> so if I want firefox 4 I need to go to 10.9 or 11.04_
[22:07] <directhex> type "apt-cache rdepends xulrunner-1.9.2" in a terminal
[22:08] <DJones> andres_kain: Its also the ubuntu policy to do updates for security reasons, but they don't update to new software versions just because they're released
[22:08] <DJones> andres_kain: You might find that there is a ppa for firefox 4 for 10.04
[22:09] <directhex> there is.
[22:09] <directhex> eventually, moving old releases to 4.0 will be needed, because mozilla are crap at security support for anything that isn't their latest
[22:09] <directhex> but that will bring pain and suffering
[22:10] <andres_kain> I see... that ppa thing rings a bell. I think I did it for inkscape 0.48.. needed la latex improvement
[22:11] <hamitron> couldn't ff4 be installed inside its own folder in /opt?
[22:11] <directhex> hamitron, sure. doesn't help with ff3.6 security woe though
[22:11] <DJones> !ff4
[22:11] <hamitron> no, just lets a user use ff4 alongside
[22:12] <hamitron> or that
[22:12] <andres_kain> so.. i took an added risk by installing beta firefox in windows xp. like adding a grain of sand on to a mountain...
[22:12] <hamitron> ;/
[22:36] <andres_kain> tuxguitar?
[23:01] <penguin42> hmm I should go to bed shortly if I'm going to be up for U^3
[23:08] <andres_kain> U^3 or U$^3$ or $U^3$?
[23:35] <hamitron> bah
[23:35] <hamitron> how I update tar from lucid-updates when I can't install anything?
[23:40] <penguin42> why can't you install anything?
[23:40] <hamitron> it is on a vps, with an old kernel
[23:41] <hamitron> and there is a bug with tar on kernels older than 2.6.22
[23:42] <hamitron> fixed in tar_1.22-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[23:42] <penguin42> does dpkg -i work?
[23:42] <hamitron> no
[23:42] <penguin42> hmm
[23:42] <hamitron> tar: ./postinst: Cannot utime: Bad file descriptor
[23:43] <directhex> extract the package on another machine
[23:43] <penguin42> ok, so you need to get yourself a tar, bundle it up with something like cpio and then get it to your machine
[23:43] <directhex> scp across
[23:43] <ali1234> how did you manage to get into this condition in the first palce?
[23:43] <directhex> replace binary
[23:43] <ali1234> an update?
[23:43] <penguin42> yeh
[23:43] <directhex> dpkg -x foo.deb /tmp/foobar
[23:43] <directhex> tar binary should be enough
[23:44] <hamitron> on the other machine?
[23:44] <directhex> yes
[23:50] <hamitron> ty, fixed
[23:50] <directhex> my invoice is in the mail.
[23:50] <hamitron> ;/
[23:55] <hamitron> dunno what caused it
[23:55] <hamitron> I assume they did a kernel update
[23:55] <hamitron> but why didn't I get that error before?