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snap-lhttp://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/01/i-am-jef-spaleta/00:03
snap-lI really am not looking forward to tomorrow00:03
_stink_oh god.  me neither.01:09
rick_h_crap, I read that at first and wondered wtf, didn't realize tomorrow is april tools day :/01:10
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rick_h_ok, so if you can't copy and paste code from a pastebin to your project does that mean I get to revoke your dev card?12:38
brouschdamnit. i hate april fools. i never know if something is real12:38
brouschyes, revoke away12:39
rick_h_heh, make sure you hit up xkcd, but not via rss12:42
brouschgo to a web page? barbaric12:42
rick_h_yea, I know, some of this stuff is borderline...so not funny that it's almost believable so you have to go "could they really be that stupid?"12:42
brouschnot even stupid, just unsure if its real12:44
brouschhttp://massive.immersedcode.org/2011/staging/projects/default/python/flask-enterprise/12:44
rick_h_ phew, so march is done, 44.613 GB of podcast downloads12:44
rick_h_heh, well flask was an april fools joke to start with12:45
brouschi know12:45
brouschso is this weirdly-licensed thing with no access to source code real?12:45
rick_h_only if it's downloaded some 15k times12:46
brouschi think it must be fake. the license and no ability to contribute patches gives it away12:47
brouschwhoa, freaky xkcd12:48
rick_h_yea12:54
brouschsigh http://garbaginator.cartwheelweb.com/12:59
rick_h_yea, saw that one13:02
rick_h_no offense, but no need to dupe the horrible april fools stuff, get enough of it already :)13:02
brouschright13:02
jrwreni like the readme.rst on garbaginator github13:29
jrwrenhahaha, and hte LICENSE.xt13:30
brouschhah, i didn't go into the actual code13:54
brouschactual repo i should say13:54
wolfger<_<13:54
wolfger>_>13:54
wolfgerGood morning.13:55
brouschoooh, viewsonic gtab for $299, no joke http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=721223113:55
brousch10.1" android tablet13:55
wolfgerthinkgeek always is full of win on April 1st14:00
wolfgerto make up for the rest of the internet sucking14:00
snap-lYeah, they're getting slashdotted.14:00
wolfgerand, as usual, they have some gag products people would actually buy14:01
brouschi want those pork rinds14:01
wolfgerI mean, I would love to see the No-3D glasses available, so that people will quit bitching about 3D movies. :-)14:02
brouschthinkgeek is in ann arbor. do they have a storefront there?14:02
snap-lUm, TG is in VA14:02
brouschit is?14:02
brouschdarnit14:02
snap-land has a warehouse in Ohio14:02
tjagodaThere is no storefront14:03
snap-lbrousch: And the Dexter office is in... wait for it... Dexter Michigan14:03
wolfgerbrousch: snap-l is April foolin' you14:03
brouschfine, put the store in dexter14:03
snap-lnot to be confused with Dexter's Lab or Dexter14:03
wolfgerThey are in AA. I'll take you there sometime14:03
wolfgerIt's very cool place.14:03
wolfger:-)14:03
snap-lbrousch: I'll be happy to sell you things in Ann Arbor14:03
snap-land we ca call it Thinkgeek if you want14:03
brouschbring some of those pork rinds sunday14:04
snap-lsince it'll be a satellite store, it won't have the full selection14:04
brouschweak14:04
snap-lin fact, it'll just be me taking your money14:05
tjagodahttp://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/looflirpa/e8bb/?pfm=AprilFools_homepage_Featured_914:05
tjagodaahhh thinkgeek14:05
tjagoda<314:05
snap-l!openmetalcast goes clubbing, with the very first Club Metal episode: http://ur1.ca/3q39o (no fooling). Implant it in your biochip now!14:06
* wolfger is dubious... Club Metal?14:07
snap-lIt's an industrial show14:07
wolfgerSo far, I <3 <3 <3 the instrumentalcasts and :( :( :( anything else.14:08
snap-lwolfger: You should try this14:09
snap-lI think you might like it14:09
wolfgerOK, I will try it.14:09
tjagodahttp://www.r2d2central.com/story/front/New_Full_Size_R2D2_Vacuum_137420.asp14:10
snap-lI'm not clicking on any links today. ;)14:10
tjagodaWeak.14:10
snap-lhttp://freelish.us/14:32
snap-lrick_h_: ^^14:32
wolfgerNice double-standard there14:34
greg-g?14:34
wolfger"I'm not clicking any links today. Oh, btw, here's a link..."14:34
greg-gdudes, hulu.com14:34
wolfgerso who's using Gmail Motion? ;-)14:36
rick_h_heh, I thought it was april fools at first: freelish.us is a microblogging service. Users post short (0 character) notices which are broadcast to their friends and fans using the Web, RSS, or instant messages.14:36
wolfger0-character? That *is* short!14:36
rick_h_yea14:37
snap-lYeah, I thought it was a joke as well14:37
snap-lwolfger: Let me rephrase: I'm not clicking on stupid links today. ;)14:38
rick_h_but yea, that's what we were looking at, ostatus and such14:38
greg-grick_h_: nice 44 gigs of lococast!14:38
_stink_haha, Kids in the Hall clips.14:38
snap-l_stink_: we all know who was watching Channel 9 when they were younger. ;)14:39
_stink_hehe14:39
snap-l"I watched Mr. Dressup and Sesame Street in French"14:39
snap-lJoDee didn't like Sesame Street. I blame the French version of Sesame Street.14:40
snap-lThe Spanish version was far superior14:40
tjagodahttps://blog.opendns.com/2011/04/01/announcing-the-%25e2%2580%259cinternet-phonebook%25e2%2580%259d/14:41
greg-gugh14:46
greg-gJonathanD: I have to admit, I don't think I've met you, have I? I don't remember knowing any Freenode staff, at least.14:47
JonathanDgreg-g: you haven't :P14:49
greg-gJonathanD: well that's good then, at least my memory isn't as bad as what my gf says :)14:49
wolfgergreg-g: lucky guess != good memory :-)15:02
greg-gwolfger: fair15:08
wolfgerHoly crap. IE9 scores 100% on ACID3?15:16
tjagodahttp://www.ironsky.net/site/support/therace/15:17
snap-lI am currently streaming from my computer via the Squeezebox server to my iPhone using Safari, connecting to http://lister:9000/stream.mp3, playing Testament15:32
snap-lWe are truly living in the future.15:32
* wolfger drags snap-l kicking and screaming back to the present.15:50
wolfgerno flying cars for you15:50
JonathanDgreg-g: I'm from PA :)15:58
JonathanDOne of my "jobs" with freenode though is to help organize events in the eastern US, which is why I'm in a lot of ubuntu-us-state channels.15:58
greg-gJonathanD: ahh, right on15:58
greg-gwell, welcome, make yourself at home :)15:59
JonathanDKeeping the ear to the ground and all that.15:59
* greg-g nods15:59
snap-lHopefully we don't lose our charter. ;)16:01
wolfgerBig Brother is here. He's surveilling us. :-p16:01
* _stink_ stomps loudly16:01
MilyardoHas anyone else used libhibernate in Maverick?16:25
wolfgerhttp://textaligncentaur.com/16:26
MilyardoNot as cool as EyeDrops but funny none the less16:28
snap-lhttp://www.eclipsephase.com/original-art-auction-support-libyan-rebels16:50
snap-lhttp://identi.ca/notice/7020985816:56
_stink_zing!16:57
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jrwrenMilyardo: is libhybernate the java library?17:11
snap-lrick_h_: Got some feedback on the Jasom Smith interview.17:12
rick_h_snap-l: oh yea?17:25
greg-gstupid frat boys playing rave music on the diag disturbing my work environment18:03
brouschgo tell those kids to get off yer lawn18:04
snap-lgreg-g: you have my permission to blast them with whatever music you have available to you18:04
brouschurination is discouraged though18:06
wolfgerI encourage it. In the appropriate facilities.18:11
greg-gsnap-l: :) blast them some OMC out of my..... erm, laptop speakers :(18:19
snap-lgreg-g: I'll be right over with the big guns. ;)18:20
greg-gsweet18:20
jrwrensaving the world from bad music, 1 tank of gas at a time.18:20
Milyardojrwren: Yeah, I keep getting ClassNotFound exceptions for org.hibernate.validator.HibernateValidator even though I have hibernate-validaor.jar in my classpath18:22
wolfgergreg-g: Tell them if they're going to play rave music, they have to supply you with some E. Or even e17. ;-)18:23
Milyardoalso I was wonder why the libhibernate-entitymanager-java package conflicts with libhibernate318:23
Milyardo*wondering18:23
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Milyardohrmm libhibernate3-entitymanager-java says its its a dependency of of libhibernate3-java but libhibernate3-java doesn't list list libhibernate-entitymanager-java as a dependecy18:33
Milyardotime to file bug reports18:34
jrwrenit should be a DAG.18:40
jrwrencycles are bad, mmm kay18:40
MilyardoDAG?18:40
jrwrendirected acyclic graph18:41
Milyardooh for the depedencies18:42
MilyardoIn the meantime I wonder why I'm getting the ClassNotFound exception18:43
Milyardounless HibnernateValidator is in entitymanager18:43
Milyardowhich would be counterintuitive18:43
greg-gwolfger: :P18:45
greg-ghttp://coffeecommon.com/post/4258699301/single-cup-vs-single-cup18:50
greg-gno aprilfools, don't worry18:50
snap-lIs there a command-line debugger for PHP code?18:52
tjagodaThe following is a quote from the Sysadmin words of wisdom list18:53
tjagoda"Never... under any circumstances... use a Dell GX270 for anything that is even remotely important... ever. "18:53
snap-lI'll shut up about squeezebox server in a bit, but I'm running mpg123 http://localhost:9000/stream.mp3 on my home machine.18:54
snap-ltjagoda: Those machines should be practically run as thin clients if anything18:55
Milyardolibhibernate3-java has hibernate-entitymanager-jar in it, so why is there a libhibernate-entitymanager?18:59
Milyardo*.jar18:59
Milyardogrrrr18:59
snap-lWelcome to Java18:59
MilyardoI'm not sure if thats a Java issue, more like a really dumb packaging issue19:00
snap-lhttp://i.imgur.com/u9g93.jpg <- Blue Ray Player19:00
snap-lI think one leads to the other19:01
greg-gummmm, snap-l rick_h_ _stink_ : https://identi.ca/doc/bookmarklet19:05
rick_h_greg-g: yea, saw that with their bookmark specific status.net today19:06
rick_h_http://freelish.us/19:06
snap-lThat's also one of the ideas that I had19:07
snap-lie: federated bookmarks19:07
rick_h_right19:07
rick_h_it sure seems they're shoe-horning this into existing status.net though19:07
snap-lrick_h_: Yeah, it is19:07
snap-lBut it goes to show that we're not the only ones thinking that Delicious was a walled bookmark garden19:08
rick_h_oh yea19:08
rick_h_like I said when it came up earlier, it's the same thing I've got set to look at, ostatus and pubsub kind of thing19:08
snap-lyep19:09
snap-lWe'll conquer the world yet19:09
snap-land get our own Cayman islands19:09
snap-lI want the one on the left.19:09
rick_h_heh, anyone know the right sql for altering a column in pgsql from char to int?19:10
snap-lDROP TABLE xxx;19:10
snap-lCREATE TABLE xxx... ;)19:10
snap-l(not offhand, though it's likely ALTER TABLE)19:10
greg-grick_h_: definite shoe-horning, yes19:10
rick_h_bah, casting error now19:11
greg-g(sorry, I'm dumping links and leaving, only coming back a fwe minutes later to reply, one of those days)19:11
snap-lIt's because greg-g is busy saving the Internet19:12
snap-lThe Copyright Crusader19:12
greg-gactually, this one thing I'm working on, I could argue that is indeed what I'm doing (in a very convoluted logical process, but still)19:12
brouschadd int column, run script to convert them all, del char column, rename int column?19:12
snap-lfighting corporate whores by day19:12
rick_h_there we go, <3 http://www.postgresonline.com/journal/archives/29-How-to-convert-a-table-column-to-another-data-type.html19:13
rick_h_brousch: yea, trying to run an app in pgsql19:13
rick_h_between all the damn camel case, and defining columns as string in one table and int in another...not going as smooth as hoped19:13
snap-lI hated that at Chrysler19:14
jrwrensounds like a terrible schema.19:14
rick_h_it is19:14
rick_h_I've been slowly correcting it since I got here19:14
snap-lone of the tables they had was clearly intended to not be varchar19:14
rick_h_but can only do so much without blowing it up19:14
snap-lso they had shit in there for data19:14
rick_h_finally have almost allof it in ORM vs manual queries19:14
snap-lso they'd get stuff in there like ...19:15
snap-lOr N/A19:15
rick_h_lol19:15
snap-lYay, cumulative security update for IE619:17
brouschyou use ie6?19:19
brouschhow many of you will be there sunday?19:19
snap-lbrousch: I have a corporate Xp laptop. Need you ask?19:19
snap-lI'm planning on being there on Sunday.19:20
tjagodaOi vey19:20
tjagodaI need a new Tech track head for 2012 penguicon19:20
tjagodaDo we have any young impressionable tech folks? =P19:20
rick_h_brousch: will be there as well19:20
snap-ltjagoda: What happened this time around?19:21
snap-lIs Krunal not working out?19:21
snap-lor is he not doing it again19:21
tjagodaWell19:21
tjagodaHe never attended meetings/asked questions/did anything19:21
tjagodaand when challenged responds "nobody ever told me"19:22
brouschdoesn't it all just fall into place by itself?19:22
tjagodaso not working out/not doing it19:22
tjagoda /murder brousch19:22
snap-lWhy does it seem that the tech track always ends in tears ?19:23
rick_h_PC has a tech track :P19:23
rick_h_?19:23
tjagodastfu19:23
rick_h_sorry, just kidding19:23
snap-lHah hah only serious19:23
tjagodaIt's hard to find tech people whom have organizational skills and are non-lazy19:23
rick_h_yea, and aren't crazy busy19:24
tjagodaPeople tend to use busy as an excuse more than they are actually busy I have found19:24
tjagodaBut I will give you the point19:24
snap-land have high tolerance for BS.19:24
tjagodaOh yeah19:24
tjagodaThat too19:24
tjagodaIt is a very young organization after all19:24
brouschd00d i am busy playing mario kart wii19:24
tjagodaseriously19:26
tjagodamario kart is srs bsns19:26
snap-lBlu Sprks FTW!19:27
brouschwhat is srs bsns?19:29
brouschi d not understand this canadian slang19:29
tjagodasrs bsns = serious business19:29
tjagodaAnybody want to design a penguicon website for 2012?19:33
tjagodahttp://www.penguicon.org is ugly19:33
tjagodaSilence overwhelming ;)19:35
brouschtjagoda: are you seizing control of pc? lining up tech leads and web sites19:36
snap-ltjagoda: I think we're all weighing the need vs the bickering that will occurring.19:36
snap-linsert appropriate tense in that last sentence.19:36
tjagodabrousch: I am the convention head for the year of 201219:36
* snap-l is way too jaded for my own good19:36
Milyardousing upstream jars makes all my problems go away \o/ should upload them to my PPA19:36
snap-lMilyardo: Awesome19:37
tjagodabrousch's interest clearly signals that he will do the project19:37
* tjagoda chains 19:37
MilyardoHow does mone package jars? should be easy right? you don't do any compliation19:38
snap-lMilyardo: Not sure19:38
brouschtjagoda: my site will be 25% uglier than the existing site19:39
tjagodaUNPOSSIBLE19:39
brouschand i will use django so no one will help me19:39
* jrwren raises hand for Sunday19:39
tjagodaI should just use a stock drupal site or something19:40
brouschyes, then you will get a lot of help19:41
brouschfrom exprienced php devs19:41
snap-land inexperienced PHP devs19:44
snap-land from homeless people19:44
tjagodaI'll take the homeless, as long as they dont flake or give me lice19:45
* jrwren holds up his WILL write <?php for food cardboard sign19:46
* snap-l listens to Frank Zappa Absolutely Free19:49
brouschweb2pyramid. ouch.20:02
greg-gsnap-l: dude, is JoDee serious about her cousins getting married at a pizza joint?20:03
binbrainzing20:03
binbrainso the joke here, I'm guessing, is the awful design of web2py, again, I'm guessing, but I've heard things20:04
binbrainbrousch, where did you find that?20:07
snap-lgreg-g: Partially.... they're my cousins20:07
snap-land I shit thee not20:07
greg-ghahahaha20:07
greg-gI loved the "partially...." part20:07
snap-lEither they're pulling a huge prank on my family, or they're as stupid as they seem20:08
brouschbinbrain: twitter feed20:08
brouschi think the flask guys were pimping it20:08
binbrainahh20:09
snap-lgreg-g: They're getting married at the Shields on Tlegraph20:09
binbrainits a nice looking site for just apr fools joke, logos and all20:09
snap-lcalled my parents to let them know this past weekend because "somebody cancelled"20:10
brouschbinbrain: maybe it's real!20:10
snap-lWe're still trying to figure out what the hell was the rush for them to get married on a Friday20:10
snap-lgreg-g: get me drunk enough, and I'll tell you the whole story at GJ20:11
* brousch picks up some dirty bastard20:12
binbrainbrousch: no chance20:12
rick_h_binbrain: yea, big joke20:13
rick_h_there was a HUGE thread in convore from pycon with people bashing web2py20:13
binbrainwell, web2py grow into something it wasn't supposed to be20:13
rick_h_https://convore.com/pycon-2011/a-bias-survey-of-python-frameworks/20:14
rick_h_yea, but the main guys are very happy to defend what most consider really bad practices20:14
binbrainreally20:14
jcastrohey are there after-UGJ activities?20:15
jcastrolike we going for beers after or ... ?20:15
binbrainI heard one of them explain what went wrong with design aspects of web2py, I think it was at an old pycon20:15
rick_h_jcastro: yea, plan is to hit some place afterwards20:16
rick_h_though not sure how long I can stay20:16
jcastrok20:16
jcastroman, talk about work from homeish.20:16
jcastroI drove to lunch20:16
jcastroand drove past a cop pulling some guy over20:16
jcastroand realized I totally forgot to renew my registration20:16
binbrain"Zope Through The Web editing feature is finally back in our stack, we're sorry for taking so long."20:16
jcastrosince I never drive20:16
binbrainhaha20:16
jcastrooh nice20:16
jcastroAND my license is expired20:17
jcastroawesome20:17
snap-lhttp://dev.twitter.com/pages/display_guidelines20:18
snap-lSo, should we do a dead-pool on Gwibber?20:19
snap-land twit vim?20:19
greg-gbrousch: mmmmm dirty bastard20:21
brouschgreg-g: it's not for you, it's to get snap-l drunk20:21
greg-gsnap-l: that would be a great april fools for the family20:21
greg-gbrousch: bah20:22
greg-gjcastro: another yes to beers after, for a bit, but not for long given prior commitments20:22
jcastroindeed20:23
jcastroI am in for like 2 or 320:23
greg-g:)20:23
jcastromake fun of jay wren, curse your town, and then move on20:23
jrwren:(20:23
jrwrenjust for that, imma buy smokes and make you smoke with me.20:25
jcastroheh20:25
greg-ghaha20:26
brouschewwwwww20:26
rick_h_woo! have everything but the mysql trigger moved over to postgres in my little test20:43
snap-lnice!20:49
brouschi plan to spend UGJ with a beer in my hand ,sitting behind rick_h_ and watching over his shoulder as he works his flying fingers20:58
rick_h_I plan on doing a lot of thinking, so I'll be sitting still except for the stroking of my beard20:59
rick_h_very pensively20:59
greg-gI love stroking rick_h_'s, I mean, my beard21:01
rick_h_it's the one true reason to have one :) to pensively stroke while thinking. Best code ideas come from that21:02
snap-lGod, is there anything more miserable than attachments in SOAP?21:59
brouschi was going to download natty beta to some CDs for sunday and i'm a little confused22:36
brouschi thought they killed off the netbook version22:37
brouschbah, nevermind, there's an ARM netbook image and a "netboot" image that i read as "netbook"22:42
snap-lI'm doing daily nightly downloads via zsyn22:50
snap-lc22:50
brouschit's always good to have some physical CDs along with the usb installers22:56
snap-lI'm going to make some USB keys22:57
brouschi need to install linux on something before i arrive so rick_h_ and jcastro don't stomp on my macbook23:03
jcastroit's ok23:03
jcastroI am used to hanging out with snap-l23:03
jcastrohey snap-l23:03
jcastroI tried to make a USB key but I failed23:03
jcastrosnap-l: when you make them23:03
jcastrosnag a daily ISO from tonight or tomorrow23:04
jcastrothere were so many unity fixes that landed this morning that the fresher the better23:04
brouschso these betas i just downloaded are crap?23:30
brouschrick_h_: can you add a pycon tag or category to lococast? i'd like to link to just the interviews23:31
brouschjcastro: are you going to drop a giant wad f fixes again tomorrow?23:49

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