[00:03] <snap-l> http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/01/i-am-jef-spaleta/
[00:03] <snap-l> I really am not looking forward to tomorrow
[01:09] <_stink_> oh god.  me neither.
[01:10] <rick_h_> crap, I read that at first and wondered wtf, didn't realize tomorrow is april tools day :/
[12:38] <rick_h_> ok, so if you can't copy and paste code from a pastebin to your project does that mean I get to revoke your dev card?
[12:38] <brousch> damnit. i hate april fools. i never know if something is real
[12:39] <brousch> yes, revoke away
[12:42] <rick_h_> heh, make sure you hit up xkcd, but not via rss
[12:42] <brousch> go to a web page? barbaric
[12:42] <rick_h_> yea, I know, some of this stuff is borderline...so not funny that it's almost believable so you have to go "could they really be that stupid?"
[12:44] <brousch> not even stupid, just unsure if its real
[12:44] <brousch> http://massive.immersedcode.org/2011/staging/projects/default/python/flask-enterprise/
[12:44] <rick_h_>  phew, so march is done, 44.613 GB of podcast downloads
[12:45] <rick_h_> heh, well flask was an april fools joke to start with
[12:45] <brousch> i know
[12:45] <brousch> so is this weirdly-licensed thing with no access to source code real?
[12:46] <rick_h_> only if it's downloaded some 15k times
[12:47] <brousch> i think it must be fake. the license and no ability to contribute patches gives it away
[12:48] <brousch> whoa, freaky xkcd
[12:54] <rick_h_> yea
[12:59] <brousch> sigh http://garbaginator.cartwheelweb.com/
[13:02] <rick_h_> yea, saw that one
[13:02] <rick_h_> no offense, but no need to dupe the horrible april fools stuff, get enough of it already :)
[13:02] <brousch> right
[13:29] <jrwren> i like the readme.rst on garbaginator github
[13:30] <jrwren> hahaha, and hte LICENSE.xt
[13:54] <brousch> hah, i didn't go into the actual code
[13:54] <brousch> actual repo i should say
[13:54] <wolfger> <_<
[13:54] <wolfger> >_>
[13:55] <wolfger> Good morning.
[13:55] <brousch> oooh, viewsonic gtab for $299, no joke http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7212231
[13:55] <brousch> 10.1" android tablet
[14:00] <wolfger> thinkgeek always is full of win on April 1st
[14:00] <wolfger> to make up for the rest of the internet sucking
[14:00] <snap-l> Yeah, they're getting slashdotted.
[14:01] <wolfger> and, as usual, they have some gag products people would actually buy
[14:01] <brousch> i want those pork rinds
[14:02] <wolfger> I mean, I would love to see the No-3D glasses available, so that people will quit bitching about 3D movies. :-)
[14:02] <brousch> thinkgeek is in ann arbor. do they have a storefront there?
[14:02] <snap-l> Um, TG is in VA
[14:02] <brousch> it is?
[14:02] <brousch> darnit
[14:02] <snap-l> and has a warehouse in Ohio
[14:03] <tjagoda> There is no storefront
[14:03] <snap-l> brousch: And the Dexter office is in... wait for it... Dexter Michigan
[14:03] <wolfger> brousch: snap-l is April foolin' you
[14:03] <brousch> fine, put the store in dexter
[14:03] <snap-l> not to be confused with Dexter's Lab or Dexter
[14:03] <wolfger> They are in AA. I'll take you there sometime
[14:03] <wolfger> It's very cool place.
[14:03] <wolfger> :-)
[14:03] <snap-l> brousch: I'll be happy to sell you things in Ann Arbor
[14:03] <snap-l> and we ca call it Thinkgeek if you want
[14:04] <brousch> bring some of those pork rinds sunday
[14:04] <snap-l> since it'll be a satellite store, it won't have the full selection
[14:04] <brousch> weak
[14:05] <snap-l> in fact, it'll just be me taking your money
[14:05] <tjagoda> http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/looflirpa/e8bb/?pfm=AprilFools_homepage_Featured_9
[14:05] <tjagoda> ahhh thinkgeek
[14:05] <tjagoda> <3
[14:06] <snap-l> !openmetalcast goes clubbing, with the very first Club Metal episode: http://ur1.ca/3q39o (no fooling). Implant it in your biochip now!
[14:07]  * wolfger is dubious... Club Metal?
[14:07] <snap-l> It's an industrial show
[14:08] <wolfger> So far, I <3 <3 <3 the instrumentalcasts and :( :( :( anything else.
[14:09] <snap-l> wolfger: You should try this
[14:09] <snap-l> I think you might like it
[14:09] <wolfger> OK, I will try it.
[14:10] <tjagoda> http://www.r2d2central.com/story/front/New_Full_Size_R2D2_Vacuum_137420.asp
[14:10] <snap-l> I'm not clicking on any links today. ;)
[14:10] <tjagoda> Weak.
[14:32] <snap-l> http://freelish.us/
[14:32] <snap-l> rick_h_: ^^
[14:34] <wolfger> Nice double-standard there
[14:34] <greg-g> ?
[14:34] <wolfger> "I'm not clicking any links today. Oh, btw, here's a link..."
[14:34] <greg-g> dudes, hulu.com
[14:36] <wolfger> so who's using Gmail Motion? ;-)
[14:36] <rick_h_> heh, I thought it was april fools at first: freelish.us is a microblogging service. Users post short (0 character) notices which are broadcast to their friends and fans using the Web, RSS, or instant messages.
[14:36] <wolfger> 0-character? That *is* short!
[14:37] <rick_h_> yea
[14:37] <snap-l> Yeah, I thought it was a joke as well
[14:38] <snap-l> wolfger: Let me rephrase: I'm not clicking on stupid links today. ;)
[14:38] <rick_h_> but yea, that's what we were looking at, ostatus and such
[14:38] <greg-g> rick_h_: nice 44 gigs of lococast!
[14:38] <_stink_> haha, Kids in the Hall clips.
[14:39] <snap-l> _stink_: we all know who was watching Channel 9 when they were younger. ;)
[14:39] <_stink_> hehe
[14:39] <snap-l> "I watched Mr. Dressup and Sesame Street in French"
[14:40] <snap-l> JoDee didn't like Sesame Street. I blame the French version of Sesame Street.
[14:40] <snap-l> The Spanish version was far superior
[14:41] <tjagoda> https://blog.opendns.com/2011/04/01/announcing-the-%25e2%2580%259cinternet-phonebook%25e2%2580%259d/
[14:46] <greg-g> ugh
[14:47] <greg-g> JonathanD: I have to admit, I don't think I've met you, have I? I don't remember knowing any Freenode staff, at least.
[14:49] <JonathanD> greg-g: you haven't :P
[14:49] <greg-g> JonathanD: well that's good then, at least my memory isn't as bad as what my gf says :)
[15:02] <wolfger> greg-g: lucky guess != good memory :-)
[15:08] <greg-g> wolfger: fair
[15:16] <wolfger> Holy crap. IE9 scores 100% on ACID3?
[15:17] <tjagoda> http://www.ironsky.net/site/support/therace/
[15:32] <snap-l> I am currently streaming from my computer via the Squeezebox server to my iPhone using Safari, connecting to http://lister:9000/stream.mp3, playing Testament
[15:32] <snap-l> We are truly living in the future.
[15:50]  * wolfger drags snap-l kicking and screaming back to the present.
[15:50] <wolfger> no flying cars for you
[15:58] <JonathanD> greg-g: I'm from PA :)
[15:58] <JonathanD> One of my "jobs" with freenode though is to help organize events in the eastern US, which is why I'm in a lot of ubuntu-us-state channels.
[15:58] <greg-g> JonathanD: ahh, right on
[15:59] <greg-g> well, welcome, make yourself at home :)
[15:59] <JonathanD> Keeping the ear to the ground and all that.
[15:59]  * greg-g nods
[16:01] <snap-l> Hopefully we don't lose our charter. ;)
[16:01] <wolfger> Big Brother is here. He's surveilling us. :-p
[16:01]  * _stink_ stomps loudly
[16:25] <Milyardo> Has anyone else used libhibernate in Maverick?
[16:26] <wolfger> http://textaligncentaur.com/
[16:28] <Milyardo> Not as cool as EyeDrops but funny none the less
[16:50] <snap-l> http://www.eclipsephase.com/original-art-auction-support-libyan-rebels
[16:56] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/notice/70209858
[16:57] <_stink_> zing!
[17:11] <jrwren> Milyardo: is libhybernate the java library?
[17:12] <snap-l> rick_h_: Got some feedback on the Jasom Smith interview.
[17:25] <rick_h_> snap-l: oh yea?
[18:03] <greg-g> stupid frat boys playing rave music on the diag disturbing my work environment
[18:04] <brousch> go tell those kids to get off yer lawn
[18:04] <snap-l> greg-g: you have my permission to blast them with whatever music you have available to you
[18:06] <brousch> urination is discouraged though
[18:11] <wolfger> I encourage it. In the appropriate facilities.
[18:19] <greg-g> snap-l: :) blast them some OMC out of my..... erm, laptop speakers :(
[18:20] <snap-l> greg-g: I'll be right over with the big guns. ;)
[18:20] <greg-g> sweet
[18:20] <jrwren> saving the world from bad music, 1 tank of gas at a time.
[18:22] <Milyardo> jrwren: Yeah, I keep getting ClassNotFound exceptions for org.hibernate.validator.HibernateValidator even though I have hibernate-validaor.jar in my classpath
[18:23] <wolfger> greg-g: Tell them if they're going to play rave music, they have to supply you with some E. Or even e17. ;-)
[18:23] <Milyardo> also I was wonder why the libhibernate-entitymanager-java package conflicts with libhibernate3
[18:23] <Milyardo> *wondering
[18:33] <Milyardo> hrmm libhibernate3-entitymanager-java says its its a dependency of of libhibernate3-java but libhibernate3-java doesn't list list libhibernate-entitymanager-java as a dependecy
[18:34] <Milyardo> time to file bug reports
[18:40] <jrwren> it should be a DAG.
[18:40] <jrwren> cycles are bad, mmm kay
[18:40] <Milyardo> DAG?
[18:41] <jrwren> directed acyclic graph
[18:42] <Milyardo> oh for the depedencies
[18:43] <Milyardo> In the meantime I wonder why I'm getting the ClassNotFound exception
[18:43] <Milyardo> unless HibnernateValidator is in entitymanager
[18:43] <Milyardo> which would be counterintuitive
[18:45] <greg-g> wolfger: :P
[18:50] <greg-g> http://coffeecommon.com/post/4258699301/single-cup-vs-single-cup
[18:50] <greg-g> no aprilfools, don't worry
[18:52] <snap-l> Is there a command-line debugger for PHP code?
[18:53] <tjagoda> The following is a quote from the Sysadmin words of wisdom list
[18:53] <tjagoda> "Never... under any circumstances... use a Dell GX270 for anything that is even remotely important... ever. "
[18:54] <snap-l> I'll shut up about squeezebox server in a bit, but I'm running mpg123 http://localhost:9000/stream.mp3 on my home machine.
[18:55] <snap-l> tjagoda: Those machines should be practically run as thin clients if anything
[18:59] <Milyardo> libhibernate3-java has hibernate-entitymanager-jar in it, so why is there a libhibernate-entitymanager?
[18:59] <Milyardo> *.jar
[18:59] <Milyardo> grrrr
[18:59] <snap-l> Welcome to Java
[19:00] <Milyardo> I'm not sure if thats a Java issue, more like a really dumb packaging issue
[19:00] <snap-l> http://i.imgur.com/u9g93.jpg <- Blue Ray Player
[19:01] <snap-l> I think one leads to the other
[19:05] <greg-g> ummmm, snap-l rick_h_ _stink_ : https://identi.ca/doc/bookmarklet
[19:06] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, saw that with their bookmark specific status.net today
[19:06] <rick_h_> http://freelish.us/
[19:07] <snap-l> That's also one of the ideas that I had
[19:07] <snap-l> ie: federated bookmarks
[19:07] <rick_h_> right
[19:07] <rick_h_> it sure seems they're shoe-horning this into existing status.net though
[19:07] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, it is
[19:08] <snap-l> But it goes to show that we're not the only ones thinking that Delicious was a walled bookmark garden
[19:08] <rick_h_> oh yea
[19:08] <rick_h_> like I said when it came up earlier, it's the same thing I've got set to look at, ostatus and pubsub kind of thing
[19:09] <snap-l> yep
[19:09] <snap-l> We'll conquer the world yet
[19:09] <snap-l> and get our own Cayman islands
[19:09] <snap-l> I want the one on the left.
[19:10] <rick_h_> heh, anyone know the right sql for altering a column in pgsql from char to int?
[19:10] <snap-l> DROP TABLE xxx;
[19:10] <snap-l> CREATE TABLE xxx... ;)
[19:10] <snap-l> (not offhand, though it's likely ALTER TABLE)
[19:10] <greg-g> rick_h_: definite shoe-horning, yes
[19:11] <rick_h_> bah, casting error now
[19:11] <greg-g> (sorry, I'm dumping links and leaving, only coming back a fwe minutes later to reply, one of those days)
[19:12] <snap-l> It's because greg-g is busy saving the Internet
[19:12] <snap-l> The Copyright Crusader
[19:12] <greg-g> actually, this one thing I'm working on, I could argue that is indeed what I'm doing (in a very convoluted logical process, but still)
[19:12] <brousch> add int column, run script to convert them all, del char column, rename int column?
[19:12] <snap-l> fighting corporate whores by day
[19:13] <rick_h_> there we go, <3 http://www.postgresonline.com/journal/archives/29-How-to-convert-a-table-column-to-another-data-type.html
[19:13] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, trying to run an app in pgsql
[19:13] <rick_h_> between all the damn camel case, and defining columns as string in one table and int in another...not going as smooth as hoped
[19:14] <snap-l> I hated that at Chrysler
[19:14] <jrwren> sounds like a terrible schema.
[19:14] <rick_h_> it is
[19:14] <rick_h_> I've been slowly correcting it since I got here
[19:14] <snap-l> one of the tables they had was clearly intended to not be varchar
[19:14] <rick_h_> but can only do so much without blowing it up
[19:14] <snap-l> so they had shit in there for data
[19:14] <rick_h_> finally have almost allof it in ORM vs manual queries
[19:15] <snap-l> so they'd get stuff in there like ...
[19:15] <snap-l> Or N/A
[19:15] <rick_h_> lol
[19:17] <snap-l> Yay, cumulative security update for IE6
[19:19] <brousch> you use ie6?
[19:19] <brousch> how many of you will be there sunday?
[19:19] <snap-l> brousch: I have a corporate Xp laptop. Need you ask?
[19:20] <snap-l> I'm planning on being there on Sunday.
[19:20] <tjagoda> Oi vey
[19:20] <tjagoda> I need a new Tech track head for 2012 penguicon
[19:20] <tjagoda> Do we have any young impressionable tech folks? =P
[19:20] <rick_h_> brousch: will be there as well
[19:21] <snap-l> tjagoda: What happened this time around?
[19:21] <snap-l> Is Krunal not working out?
[19:21] <snap-l> or is he not doing it again
[19:21] <tjagoda> Well
[19:21] <tjagoda> He never attended meetings/asked questions/did anything
[19:22] <tjagoda> and when challenged responds "nobody ever told me"
[19:22] <brousch> doesn't it all just fall into place by itself?
[19:22] <tjagoda> so not working out/not doing it
[19:22] <tjagoda>  /murder brousch
[19:23] <snap-l> Why does it seem that the tech track always ends in tears ?
[19:23] <rick_h_> PC has a tech track :P
[19:23] <rick_h_> ?
[19:23] <tjagoda> stfu
[19:23] <rick_h_> sorry, just kidding
[19:23] <snap-l> Hah hah only serious
[19:23] <tjagoda> It's hard to find tech people whom have organizational skills and are non-lazy
[19:24] <rick_h_> yea, and aren't crazy busy
[19:24] <tjagoda> People tend to use busy as an excuse more than they are actually busy I have found
[19:24] <tjagoda> But I will give you the point
[19:24] <snap-l> and have high tolerance for BS.
[19:24] <tjagoda> Oh yeah
[19:24] <tjagoda> That too
[19:24] <tjagoda> It is a very young organization after all
[19:24] <brousch> d00d i am busy playing mario kart wii
[19:26] <tjagoda> seriously
[19:26] <tjagoda> mario kart is srs bsns
[19:27] <snap-l> Blu Sprks FTW!
[19:29] <brousch> what is srs bsns?
[19:29] <brousch> i d not understand this canadian slang
[19:29] <tjagoda> srs bsns = serious business
[19:33] <tjagoda> Anybody want to design a penguicon website for 2012?
[19:33] <tjagoda> http://www.penguicon.org is ugly
[19:35] <tjagoda> Silence overwhelming ;)
[19:36] <brousch> tjagoda: are you seizing control of pc? lining up tech leads and web sites
[19:36] <snap-l> tjagoda: I think we're all weighing the need vs the bickering that will occurring.
[19:36] <snap-l> insert appropriate tense in that last sentence.
[19:36] <tjagoda> brousch: I am the convention head for the year of 2012
[19:36]  * snap-l is way too jaded for my own good
[19:36] <Milyardo> using upstream jars makes all my problems go away \o/ should upload them to my PPA
[19:37] <snap-l> Milyardo: Awesome
[19:37] <tjagoda> brousch's interest clearly signals that he will do the project
[19:37]  * tjagoda chains 
[19:38] <Milyardo> How does mone package jars? should be easy right? you don't do any compliation
[19:38] <snap-l> Milyardo: Not sure
[19:39] <brousch> tjagoda: my site will be 25% uglier than the existing site
[19:39] <tjagoda> UNPOSSIBLE
[19:39] <brousch> and i will use django so no one will help me
[19:39]  * jrwren raises hand for Sunday
[19:40] <tjagoda> I should just use a stock drupal site or something
[19:41] <brousch> yes, then you will get a lot of help
[19:41] <brousch> from exprienced php devs
[19:44] <snap-l> and inexperienced PHP devs
[19:44] <snap-l> and from homeless people
[19:45] <tjagoda> I'll take the homeless, as long as they dont flake or give me lice
[19:46]  * jrwren holds up his WILL write <?php for food cardboard sign
[19:49]  * snap-l listens to Frank Zappa Absolutely Free
[20:02] <brousch> web2pyramid. ouch.
[20:03] <greg-g> snap-l: dude, is JoDee serious about her cousins getting married at a pizza joint?
[20:03] <binbrain> zing
[20:04] <binbrain> so the joke here, I'm guessing, is the awful design of web2py, again, I'm guessing, but I've heard things
[20:07] <binbrain> brousch, where did you find that?
[20:07] <snap-l> greg-g: Partially.... they're my cousins
[20:07] <snap-l> and I shit thee not
[20:07] <greg-g> hahahaha
[20:07] <greg-g> I loved the "partially...." part
[20:08] <snap-l> Either they're pulling a huge prank on my family, or they're as stupid as they seem
[20:08] <brousch> binbrain: twitter feed
[20:08] <brousch> i think the flask guys were pimping it
[20:09] <binbrain> ahh
[20:09] <snap-l> greg-g: They're getting married at the Shields on Tlegraph
[20:09] <binbrain> its a nice looking site for just apr fools joke, logos and all
[20:10] <snap-l> called my parents to let them know this past weekend because "somebody cancelled"
[20:10] <brousch> binbrain: maybe it's real!
[20:10] <snap-l> We're still trying to figure out what the hell was the rush for them to get married on a Friday
[20:11] <snap-l> greg-g: get me drunk enough, and I'll tell you the whole story at GJ
[20:12]  * brousch picks up some dirty bastard
[20:12] <binbrain> brousch: no chance
[20:13] <rick_h_> binbrain: yea, big joke
[20:13] <rick_h_> there was a HUGE thread in convore from pycon with people bashing web2py
[20:13] <binbrain> well, web2py grow into something it wasn't supposed to be
[20:14] <rick_h_> https://convore.com/pycon-2011/a-bias-survey-of-python-frameworks/
[20:14] <rick_h_> yea, but the main guys are very happy to defend what most consider really bad practices
[20:14] <binbrain> really
[20:15] <jcastro> hey are there after-UGJ activities?
[20:15] <jcastro> like we going for beers after or ... ?
[20:15] <binbrain> I heard one of them explain what went wrong with design aspects of web2py, I think it was at an old pycon
[20:16] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, plan is to hit some place afterwards
[20:16] <rick_h_> though not sure how long I can stay
[20:16] <jcastro> k
[20:16] <jcastro> man, talk about work from homeish.
[20:16] <jcastro> I drove to lunch
[20:16] <jcastro> and drove past a cop pulling some guy over
[20:16] <jcastro> and realized I totally forgot to renew my registration
[20:16] <binbrain> "Zope Through The Web editing feature is finally back in our stack, we're sorry for taking so long."
[20:16] <jcastro> since I never drive
[20:16] <binbrain> haha
[20:16] <jcastro> oh nice
[20:17] <jcastro> AND my license is expired
[20:17] <jcastro> awesome
[20:18] <snap-l> http://dev.twitter.com/pages/display_guidelines
[20:19] <snap-l> So, should we do a dead-pool on Gwibber?
[20:19] <snap-l> and twit vim?
[20:21] <greg-g> brousch: mmmmm dirty bastard
[20:21] <brousch> greg-g: it's not for you, it's to get snap-l drunk
[20:21] <greg-g> snap-l: that would be a great april fools for the family
[20:22] <greg-g> brousch: bah
[20:22] <greg-g> jcastro: another yes to beers after, for a bit, but not for long given prior commitments
[20:23] <jcastro> indeed
[20:23] <jcastro> I am in for like 2 or 3
[20:23] <greg-g> :)
[20:23] <jcastro> make fun of jay wren, curse your town, and then move on
[20:23] <jrwren> :(
[20:25] <jrwren> just for that, imma buy smokes and make you smoke with me.
[20:25] <jcastro> heh
[20:26] <greg-g> haha
[20:26] <brousch> ewwwwww
[20:43] <rick_h_> woo! have everything but the mysql trigger moved over to postgres in my little test
[20:49] <snap-l> nice!
[20:58] <brousch> i plan to spend UGJ with a beer in my hand ,sitting behind rick_h_ and watching over his shoulder as he works his flying fingers
[20:59] <rick_h_> I plan on doing a lot of thinking, so I'll be sitting still except for the stroking of my beard
[20:59] <rick_h_> very pensively
[21:01] <greg-g> I love stroking rick_h_'s, I mean, my beard
[21:02] <rick_h_> it's the one true reason to have one :) to pensively stroke while thinking. Best code ideas come from that
[21:59] <snap-l> God, is there anything more miserable than attachments in SOAP?
[22:36] <brousch> i was going to download natty beta to some CDs for sunday and i'm a little confused
[22:37] <brousch> i thought they killed off the netbook version
[22:42] <brousch> bah, nevermind, there's an ARM netbook image and a "netboot" image that i read as "netbook"
[22:50] <snap-l> I'm doing daily nightly downloads via zsyn
[22:50] <snap-l> c
[22:56] <brousch> it's always good to have some physical CDs along with the usb installers
[22:57] <snap-l> I'm going to make some USB keys
[23:03] <brousch> i need to install linux on something before i arrive so rick_h_ and jcastro don't stomp on my macbook
[23:03] <jcastro> it's ok
[23:03] <jcastro> I am used to hanging out with snap-l
[23:03] <jcastro> hey snap-l
[23:03] <jcastro> I tried to make a USB key but I failed
[23:03] <jcastro> snap-l: when you make them
[23:04] <jcastro> snag a daily ISO from tonight or tomorrow
[23:04] <jcastro> there were so many unity fixes that landed this morning that the fresher the better
[23:30] <brousch> so these betas i just downloaded are crap?
[23:31] <brousch> rick_h_: can you add a pycon tag or category to lococast? i'd like to link to just the interviews
[23:49] <brousch> jcastro: are you going to drop a giant wad f fixes again tomorrow?