[14:54] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:14] <knome> Spotify support for gmusicbrowser
[15:14] <knome> The Shimmer Project has decided to give a free Spotify account for a month to everybody using gmusicbrowser, alongside their new Spotify plugin for gmusicbrowser, which is to be released late tonight. Those who want the free Spotify account are asked to send email to spotify@shimmerproject.org along with their name and a screenshot or a photograph of them using gmusicbrowser.
[15:14] <knome> This offer is valid for one week from now, so act quickly.
[15:14] <knome> http://shimmerproject.org/2011/04/spotify-support-for-gmusicbrowser/
[15:14] <charlie-tca> knome: are you going to fix the header for the wiki to work in all themes? It might be better to go back to the old header and just change the color
[15:15] <knome> charlie-tca, is there still problems? i changed the background color to veyr light blue. can you maybe send me a screenshot so i can see what would work with the link colors for you
[15:15] <knome> *very
[15:16] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/145887
[15:16] <knome> right... that doesn't look so bad to my eyes really
[15:17] <knome> it's not *beautiful*, but it works
[15:17] <charlie-tca> It is not the color, it is the code used. It does not lkook complete at all when not using the 
[15:17] <charlie-tca> default theme
[15:17] <knome> hmm... yeah
[15:17] <charlie-tca> Why have I got those borders? Why are the links running together?
[15:17] <knome> so maybe remove the table borders?
[15:17] <knome> the links are pretty much as supposed to be
[15:17] <charlie-tca> Why can't it fit the page now?
[15:18] <knome> fit the page?
[15:18] <charlie-tca> The links then need to be re-done
[15:18] <charlie-tca> The header is using about 2/3 of the page in the screenshot
[15:18] <knome> mmh
[15:18] <knome> have to look at that
[15:18] <charlie-tca> It should be the same size as the text
[15:19] <knome> that's definitely something about the theme you're using
[15:19] <charlie-tca> It is not just this theme. It is all the themes except the default
[15:19] <knome> right
[15:19] <charlie-tca> The old header fit
[15:19] <knome> that's really weird
[15:19] <knome> it has the same tablestyle as the old onw
[15:19] <knome> *one
[15:19] <charlie-tca> It might be better to keep the old header and just change the colors
[15:20] <knome> imo not, i'll rather fix this
[15:20] <charlie-tca> That was the issue with it, right?
[15:20] <knome> being ugly as well
[15:20] <charlie-tca> It was not ugly, it was desig
[15:21] <charlie-tca> it was designed by cody-somerville, and that makes you decide it was bad
[15:21] <knome> no, i didn't know it was designed by cody
[15:21] <knome> and i did a refresh for it, if you don't remember
[15:21] <charlie-tca> It worked a lot better than this is. This looks half finished now
[15:21] <knome> please don't assume i'm bashing all the work others have done
[15:22] <charlie-tca> I am sorry for that statement then. I thought you knew
[15:22] <charlie-tca> But I really need a nice header that works in all the themes for the wiki.
[15:22] <knome> yeah, i'll try to fix the new one
[15:22] <knome> i didn't know it broke in all the other themes
[15:22] <charlie-tca> I like the colors, I will work on the links to make them more useable.
[15:23] <charlie-tca> You work on making the header look right, okay?
[15:23] <knome> yup, i'm working on it right now
[15:23] <charlie-tca> You are good with the design features. I have a lot of experience fixing links to look right
[15:25] <charlie-tca> I won't touch it today. and maybe not until next week. I can play on my own wiki to make it look like the links fit. 
[15:26] <charlie-tca> Maybe I didn't notice them on the old one because it spread them out more. I understand the need to squash it to fit the new non-resizing wiki defaults, but hopefully, we can make it all work.
[15:27] <knome> how does the menu look now?
[15:27] <knome> is it as spread
[15:28] <charlie-tca> what the hell do I have to do in FF4 to get the page refreshed now?
[15:29] <knome> ctrl+r ?
[15:29] <knome> or click the button right to the location bar
[15:29] <charlie-tca> didn't work. I wound up clearing history, and have to log in again
[15:30] <charlie-tca> Nothing like the long way to refresh, huh?
[15:30] <knome> heh
[15:31] <charlie-tca> make the borders invisible, too, please
[15:32] <knome> sure
[15:32] <charlie-tca> It does fit better
[15:32] <knome> did it work now?
[15:32] <knome> okay
[15:32] <charlie-tca> I think
[15:32] <knome> actually for me, there is no change
[15:32] <knome> that must be because i edited the MenuNew page
[15:32] <knome> :P
[15:33] <charlie-tca> I might be wrong and did not work. 3.6 shows the short header, 4.0 shows it longer ?
[15:33] <knome> well, it's better now
[15:33] <knome> but still not 100%
[15:33] <charlie-tca> yes, that is an improvement. 
[15:34] <charlie-tca> and does it still fit with the default theme, too?
[15:35] <knome> probably
[15:35] <knome> hard to test several themes per time, but it really much should
[15:35] <knome> as the width values are now percents
[15:36] <charlie-tca> that new theme is a pain to work with. We told them making it fixed width was bad for accessibility, but they shoved it through anyway, with a promise to work on it.
[15:37] <knome> it's working more or less now
[15:37] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:38] <charlie-tca> that just resized to the text width
[15:38] <knome> yup, all the 'sections' are now 25%
[15:39] <charlie-tca> That does make a difference. 
[15:39] <micahg> knome: you need another FFe to get a new plugin in
[15:43] <knome> micahg, the help stuff wouldn't necessarily be plugin, and it doesn't matter if it was after natty release. it would just be cool to get it in natty *one day*, since gmb became the default in natty
[15:44] <micahg> knome: new features are only allowed in -backports unless there's a tech board exception
[15:45] <charlie-tca> Team Reports are due this week for March 2011. I plan on seeing this wiki update in there.
[15:45] <knome> micahg, SRU then
[15:46] <knome> micahg, i mean, it's a bit comical if one can't get a "Help" -link in...
[15:46] <charlie-tca> knome, micahg, ochosi, pleia2 : are all invited to make updates to the Team Report too
[15:46] <micahg> knome: no, features aren't allowed in an SRU
[15:47] <charlie-tca> It is the Team Report, not the Team Leader must type everything Report
[15:47] <knome> if something that gives help in using things X is a feature, then it sucks.
[15:47] <charlie-tca> micahg: can we get an FFe for the plugin?
[15:58] <charlie-tca> micahg: can we get an FFe for the plugin?
[15:59] <micahg> charlie-tca: it can go right behind bug 747014 :)
[16:00] <charlie-tca> sorry I asked ;-)
[16:01] <knome> ;]
[16:09] <charlie-tca> Maybe I could file a bug report about there being too many bug reports?
[16:09] <knome> maybe
[17:33] <charlie-tca> for the record: I hate April 1 a lot
[17:48] <pleia2> charlie-tca: I just ignore the internet all day except for obvious jokes that people point out
[17:48]  * pleia2 quite liked http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=21-24+Millbank+London+SW1P+4QP++United+Kingdom&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Millbank+Tower,+21-24+Millbank,+London,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.492774,-0.12454&spn=0.005571,0.013937&z=17
[17:48] <pleia2> (ubuntu related!)
[17:49] <micahg> haha
[17:49] <micahg> did Google do that?
[17:49] <pleia2> yeah
[19:07] <pleia2> charlie-tca: created 11/March and added website stuff
[19:08] <charlie-tca> heh?
[19:08] <charlie-tca> team report?
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Great!
[20:14] <pleia2> love the slideshow :)
[21:07] <pleia2> charlie-tca: I have a bunch of stupid testing questions but I want to go through the docs a bit more thoroughly before asking, will you be around this evening or tomorrow much?
[21:08] <pleia2> I'm putting together a little flier for our global jam on sunday and want to make sure the live testing process is properly described
[21:14] <charlie-tca> I can be around, yes. I will make an effort to be around all weekend with the global jam going, even if it is in and out at times
[21:14] <pleia2> ok, I'm sure I'll catch you then :)
[21:14] <charlie-tca> Questions are good. It helps to get the documentation correct for anyone to use. 
[21:15] <charlie-tca> I wrote it so I could understand it, but that doesn't always work.
[21:16] <mr_pouit> FYI, existing natty users might experience a breakage of their panel config because of my latest changes (this is necessary to fix a more annoying bug).
[21:16] <pleia2> I think my current challenge is reconciling http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing
[21:16] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit ...
[21:16] <pleia2> but I'll ask questions when I read more :)
[21:16] <charlie-tca> We only use the qa tracker during the milestone pre-testing
[21:17] <charlie-tca> It won't be used again now until right before the beta2 release
[21:17] <pleia2> ok, good to know
[21:17] <pleia2> so I just have people use the wiki page, and do regular apport bug reporting?
[21:17] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I see you could not reproduce my workspace bug. I can do it reliably, too.
[21:18] <charlie-tca> On two different hardware systems, to further mess things up
[21:18] <charlie-tca> I suspect we will see duplicates come in against that bug when the final release happens
[21:19] <mr_pouit> (sorry for the config breakage, but otherwise users will be hit by Bug #747137)
[21:19] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: yeah, I'll retry later to reproduce
[21:19] <charlie-tca> yeah, I saw that report too. We will be okay, in the long run
[21:28] <mr_pouit> ah, interesting, it might not break too much existing configs after all