[00:28]  * genii-around sips and kicks his computer
[00:32] <juan_> hello hamra
[00:34] <juan_> i have a problem with samba
[00:35] <juan_> gadmin-samba saids "Status: Activated, inactive servers winbindd"
[00:40] <juan_> hello any body?
[00:42] <DarthFrog> I don't think you really need winbindd.
[01:14] <ironfroggy_> I know this is a common question, but what steps should i take to diagnose a fresh install on a new machine with audio not working? no errors, just no audible playback
[01:19] <Hamra> ironfroggy_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:40] <ironfroggy_> hmm.. audio works if i attach external speakers. is there any software reason the internal speakers could be muted separately or does this mean my internal speakers are dead?
[01:44] <Hamra> no idea... open alsamixer in konsole, and see if something is lowered, raise all volumes
[01:48] <ironfroggy_> yeah i tried that already with no luck :-/
[01:50] <ironfroggy_> i have another machine with the same hardware, same laptop model, and running ubuntu and the sound works there
[01:51] <ironfroggy_> if i could figure out some comparison between the configuration...
[03:16] <dac> # #ubuntu
[03:16] <dac> join ##ubuntu
[03:17] <nata> dac: add "/"infront of join
[03:46] <green__> hi
[03:49] <green__> sex
[03:55] <darkdelusions> I really am starting to hate realtek sound cards
[03:56] <darkdelusions> everytime I have PC with nix on it i have to go threw and try and find the right option to but in my alsa.conf to get my speakers to mute and it takes forever to track down the right flag
[04:00] <zortog> Good evening everyone I have a really simple question. Is it possible in kubuntu to have distinct wallpapers for distinct workspaces?
[04:01] <darkdelusions> zortog: there is a way I am trying to remember how
[04:02] <zortog> darkdelusions: thank you kindly i have been beating up gnome for three hours now and it wont cooperate so i figured i would give kde a try
[04:02] <darkdelusions> In gnome there is no way to do it but my roommate (who isnt home atm figured it out in kde)
[04:03] <darkdelusions> ok found it you have to use activites
[04:03] <zortog> alright this environment is very new to me i am going to need some hand holding lol
[04:04] <darkdelusions> zortog: check out http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=62528
[04:04] <darkdelusions> I have never done it myself since it is not as easy as it was in kde 3.X
[04:06] <zortog> darkdelusions: i have hit a hang up already, it says select zoom out, but that option is not present
[04:06] <darkdelusions> let try it 1 sec
[04:10] <zortog> darldelusions: i got something similar to what i need, i figure i can manage to get something together !! Thanks for the help!
[04:11] <darkdelusions> np
[04:11] <darkdelusions> Sorry I couldnt be more helpful I just havent played with it
[04:43] <folorn> anyone who's played alot of open arena could you tell me where the screenshots is hidden after you take them?
[04:45] <TheBuntu> anyone have any idea what replace /boot/grub/menu.lst in 11.04
[04:48] <folorn> any folks here good with open arena questions ?
[04:54] <Daskreech> folorn: Maybe the open arena IRC?
[04:56] <Daskreech> http://openarena.wikia.com/wiki/Manual <--- or read that
[04:56] <Daskreech> !grub2 | TheBuntu
[05:00] <TheBuntu> Daskreech: that dont help...its telling me what im trying to do...but menu.lst isent in /boot/grub
[05:01] <Daskreech> TheBuntu: do you see grub.cfg ?
[05:02] <Daskreech> It's mentioned in the second link
[05:03] <TheBuntu> i got it...grub.cfg took the place of menu.lst
[05:06] <Daskreech> TheBuntu: Read the second link
[05:34] <folorn> where is that at daskreech?
[05:58] <Daskreech> folorn: Hmm?
[06:00] <Daskreech> folorn: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.anynet.org&amp;channel=%23openarena
[06:07] <folorn> thanks
[06:58] <navatwo> Hey, so I recently updated my kubuntu box and now I cannot connect to my wired network. Any ideas?
[07:08] <c2tarun> navatwo: which version are you using?
[07:08] <navatwo> uhm, how would one check
[07:09] <c2tarun> navatwo: nevermind :) run ifconfig on terminal and show me the output.
[07:09] <navatwo> err, not sure how I can do that lol
[07:10] <c2tarun> you using kubuntu?
[07:10] <dmatt> navatwo: run following in terminal: lsb_release -a
[07:10] <navatwo> I'm piping it to a text file and using a flash drive to move it over lol
[07:10] <navatwo> dmatt: `No LSB modules are available`
[07:11] <dmatt> navatwo: run it with -a option
[07:11] <navatwo> I did
[07:12] <dmatt> navatwo: do you use *ubuntu ? :)
[07:12] <navatwo> dmatt: it states ubuntu in there too
[07:12] <navatwo> sorry :P
[07:12] <c2tarun> navatwo: try cat /etc/issue and tell the output.
[07:12] <dmatt> which release
[07:12] <c2tarun> navatwo:  cat /etc/issue
[07:13] <navatwo> c2tarun: http://pastebin.com/ZpRhKQjr
[07:14] <navatwo> im using 10.10 kubuntu btw
[07:14] <tinlys> im 10.04LTS
[07:14] <navatwo> and c2tarun that showed `Ubuntu 10.10 \n \l`
[07:14] <c2tarun> navatwo: ok, your ethernet devices are fine. what kind of connection do you have?
[07:15] <navatwo> wired
[07:15] <navatwo> (I'm on my netbook atm)
[07:15] <navatwo> (which is wifi..)
[07:15] <tinlys> netia tel.
[07:17] <c2tarun> navatwo: I guess your wifi card is also working fine but still please open additional drivers.
[07:19] <navatwo> my desktop is having the issues
[07:19] <navatwo> it does not have a wifi card
[07:20] <c2tarun> navatwo: actually I asked you to run ifconfig on your desktop :)
[07:22] <navatwo> I did! :P
[07:22] <navatwo> that was the output
[07:23] <darkdelusions> he did its in that past bin
[07:23] <c2tarun> navatwo: I am assuming that you connection is fine, your output shows that your system should respond to your connection. hang around here, someone will help you
[07:23] <c2tarun> darkdelusions: yup got that :)
[07:23] <darkdelusions> his eth0 is showing up as something odd
[07:23] <navatwo> I hope so.. I need to get internet access.. o.O
[07:24] <darkdelusions> well the device that has an ip that is
[07:24] <navatwo> eth0 is not showing up as any connection, the cord is clearly in and I'm using the router for wifi currently
[07:30] <darkdelusions> navatwo:  try doing a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart from console
[07:30] <navatwo> Hey, so I recently updated my kubuntu box and now I cannot connect to my wired network. /etc/network/interfaces is OK and `ifconfig` output is located here: http://pastebin.com/ZpRhKQjrttp://pastebin.com/ZpRhKQjr
[07:31] <navatwo> oops lol
[07:31] <navatwo> darkdelusions: it didnt change anything.
[07:31] <navatwo> btw, I've tried booting an older kernel, no luck
[07:33] <darkdelusions> what do you get when you do a dhclient eth0
[07:33] <darkdelusions> errr
[07:33] <darkdelusions> sudo dhclient eth0
[07:34] <navatwo> its running atm
[07:35] <darkdelusions> just running
[07:35] <darkdelusions> it probally gonna sit there till it times out
[07:35] <darkdelusions> ctrl c it
[07:35] <navatwo> its changing intervals it appears
[07:36] <navatwo> kk
[07:36] <darkdelusions> try ifup eth0
[07:36] <darkdelusions> with sudo
[07:36] <navatwo> unknown interface
[07:38] <darkdelusions> from console do a cat /etc/network/interfaces and paste the out put into pastebin
[07:41] <navatwo> darkdelusions http://paste.villavu.com/show/550/
[07:44] <navatwo> darkdelusions: I need to sleep. Thanks for the help tough
[07:45] <darkdelusions> np
[07:45] <darkdelusions> I am not sure on that one
[07:45] <darkdelusions> I am sorry
[07:45] <navatwo> thought*
[07:45] <navatwo> though*
[07:45] <navatwo> Its OK, the effort is nice either way. :)
[07:45] <darkdelusions> i don't normally upgrade from apt i normally just download the new distro and frap my /partition
[08:53] <stephdg> Riddell: you around?
[08:54] <zoiss> hey guys. does anyone have a logitech wireless illuminated k800 keyboard? i've managed to get most of the special keys working but the calculator key does not throw an event. is there someone with an workaround?
[08:54] <stephdg> when one is using kubuntu and if my plasma keeps crashing when i shut down, where would i file the bug report? with KDE or kubuntu?
[08:55] <zoiss> I would start at kubuntu. if it's a KDE only problem you will be forwarded :-)
[08:56] <stephdg> ok thanks zoiss
[08:57] <zoiss> np. I heard that a lot of crashes appear due to failures in implementation which are not KDE bugs - actually. but I'm not an expert there
[09:01] <stephdg> zoiss: implementation?
[09:04] <zoiss> integration
[09:05] <Axlin> personally i was having that same problem until i upgraded to 4.6
[09:05] <stephdg> Axlin: i have 4.6.1
[09:05] <stephdg> i have the plasma netbook version...
[09:05] <Axlin> ah, interesting. well i'm using the regular desktop
[09:05] <zoiss> I have plasma crashes when shutting down, too. not every time although. -> 4.6.1
[09:08] <stephdg> zoiss: it seems to be *every* time...at least the last 2 times its happened
[09:09] <zoiss> here it does not appear every time. but i cannot remember the last time it never came up:-)
[10:36] <naftilos76> hello everyone, if i install 11.04 form here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ , shall i be able to update to the official release when it is released?
[11:16] <N41T> hi all i have a  problem with mi wireless connection
[11:17] <N41T> I see the network, but I did not connect, I'm now writing from ubuntu
[11:17] <N41T> how can I do?
[12:25] <n8w> ive noticed that my kde takes a lot of cpu resources...it hasnt been like this ever since,it just started perhaps with the few last kde updates...would reinstallin kde help?
[13:37] <hangman13us> test
[13:37] <hangman13us> Can anyone see my chats?
[13:38] <marxjohnson> hangman13us: nope ;-)
[13:39] <hangman13us> :D
[13:39] <hangman13us> 10x
[13:39] <hangman13us> First time I'm using this IRC client
[13:39] <hangman13us> I'm making some test with my new KUBUNTU - looks great :)
[13:44] <navatwo> Hi, I updated my kde to the experimental packages.. they look great but now I cannot connect to wifi. I'm running plasma-netbook and the application switcher crashes kde as well. Any words of wisdom?
[13:47] <lukrop> navatwo: are you using 10.10? you could upgrade to natty.. but no guarantee :P
[13:47] <navatwo> I am, that's an option.
[14:53] <inj3ct0r> hi to all
[14:55] <inj3ct0r> im sorry i have a problem with my kubuntu 10.10 dekstop when i fix resolution it became correct but when i resrart i should to fix it again what i should do now\?
[14:59] <inj3ct0r> im sorry i have a problem with my kubuntu 10.10 dekstop when i fix resolution it became correct but when i resrart i should to fix it again what i should do now\?
[15:15] <inj3ct0r> im sorry i have a problem with my kubuntu 10.10 dekstop when i fix resolution it became correct but when i resrart i should to fix it again what i should do now\?
[15:15] <inj3ct0r> no body want help me?
[16:16] <n8w> how do i get rid of the laggin while resizing a window in kde?
[16:19] <inj3ct0r> im sorry i have a problem with my kubuntu 10.10 dekstop when i fix resolution it became correct but when i resrart i should to fix it again what i should do now\?
[16:20] <Alvo> hello, with kde from kubuntu-desktop 1.205 installed from Ubuntu i cannot connect to the wlan, with gnome it works, caqn i fix the problem somehow?
[16:23] <inj3ct0r> no body want to answer me?
[16:25] <BluesKaj> Alvo, did you stup the knetworkmanager with the same settings as in gnome?
[16:25] <inj3ct0r> hi can any body see me?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> inj3ct0r, the resolution depends a lot on your graphics driver , make sure you have the recommended driver installed , kmenu/applications/settings/additional hardware , choose the recommended driver
[16:28] <inj3ct0r> the problem is when i fix rezolution i cant save and come up after restart
[16:28] <inj3ct0r> i mean changs do not save
[16:29] <BluesKaj> inj3ct0r, did you do whay I suggested?..I know what your problem is .
[16:29] <BluesKaj> whay=what
[16:31] <inj3ct0r> no proprietary drivers are in use on this system
[16:35] <BluesKaj> inj3ct0r, have you updated since installing ? Also enable other software sources including partners in the kpackagekit settings , then update
[16:37] <BluesKaj> !pm | inj3ct0r
[16:54] <Technicus> Hello, how can I reset the KDE color setting to default?
[16:59] <WaltzingAlong> Technicus: should be able to, yes. in system settings
[17:00] <php5engineer> Sometimes when I touch my mouse, Kubuntu previews all of open windows. How can I deactivate this gesture?
[17:01] <Technicus> WaltzingAlong: There is a problem with that, it is not working, not all the colors that are supposed to change change.
[17:02] <WaltzingAlong> Technicus: could ask in #kde as well. so which ones then stay the same? not which colors but which elements?
[17:02] <Technicus> WaltzingAlong: Text.
[17:03] <WaltzingAlong> as in you would need to close that window then open it again before the changes take effect?
[17:16] <rosco_y> I'm getting copyright infringment notices from my provider:  I wonder if it's possible that ktorrent can be used as a bridge to help transfer files from point A, over Bridge, to Point B?
[17:17] <tsimpson> as long as you aren't transferring anything you don't have permission to transfer, it shouldn't matter
[17:17] <rosco_y> my ktorrent daemon automatically runs, but I never use it
[17:18] <rosco_y> I wonder if there is a way to inspect the ktorrent's activity history?
[17:18] <BluesKaj> rosco_y, ktorrent has a blocklist option if you care to look at it.
[17:18] <tsimpson> open it up, it shows what it's transferring
[17:18] <rosco_y> BluesKaj: thank you, I'll take a look at that
[17:19] <tsimpson> it could be that your ISP has noticed you're using bittorrent and assumes that you're doing something illegal, ISPs are dumb like that
[17:20] <tsimpson> ask them to tell you what copyright you are supposedly violating
[17:20] <rosco_y> This is getting frustrating, today I got my third notice from them
[17:20] <rosco_y> well, today it was for the "Dexter" TV series
[17:21] <tsimpson> assuming you aren't sharing that, check if anyone else has access to your connection
[17:21] <LurkMore> why are u using torrent for filesharing, thats last century-stuff. i use torrents only for distros and cc-licensed stuff, its well known torrent is monitored
[17:22] <rosco_y> I wish I was more savvy, a good tech might be able to unravel what's going on
[17:22] <tsimpson> ISPs send notices to the account holder, rather than the person doing the sharing...
[17:22] <rosco_y> LurkMore: I'm a fan of getting music at Jamendo, and they recommend using bittorrent for their ogg files
[17:23] <tsimpson> and if you're on wifi, make sure you're using WPA rather than WEP
[17:23] <rosco_y> I wanted to see if ogg seemed better than mp3, as it is, I never was able to find any of their music in the torrent venue anyways
[17:23] <BluesKaj> LurkMore, so waht do you recommend for us last century users ? :)
[17:23] <tsimpson> WEP can be broken rather easily
[17:23] <LurkMore> BluesKaj: as i say, cc-licensed stuff
[17:23] <BluesKaj> stuff?
[17:23] <LurkMore> thingies
[17:24] <WaltzingAlong> rosco_y: never made your way to jamendo.com then i take it? can grab the suff in ogg vorbis
[17:24] <rosco_y> I am using wpa, and I used a website to generate a "maximum security key"
[17:24] <WaltzingAlong> grc passwords? ok
[17:24] <rosco_y> WaltzingAlong: I don't understand what you're telling me....
[17:25] <WaltzingAlong> rosco_y: you can find some music available in ogg vorbis at jamendo.com/
[17:25] <rosco_y> I never noticed "ogg vorbis"
[17:25] <LurkMore> BluesKaj: get jdownloader, runs pretty well with jre 1.6 and stay with one-click-hosters
[17:25] <rosco_y> I"m looking for it now...
[17:26] <BluesKaj> well if I own a cd or lp(vinyl) then I have the right in this country to copy it in whatever form I wish ...the law hasn't officially changed here in Canada yet despite the pressure from US senators to adopt their copyright laws
[17:26] <WaltzingAlong> rosco_y: i saw you mention ogg vs mp3; i expanded ogg to ogg vorbis as you likely mean the audio codec and not just the container
[17:27] <rosco_y> WaltzingAlong: is ogg better than mp3 then?
[17:27] <rosco_y> I'm just going to uninstall my ktorrent client--I never use it anyways, but before I do that, I want to try to figure out what's happening
[17:27] <LurkMore> generally, yes. expect for very low bitrates
[17:28] <LurkMore> except
[17:28] <rosco_y> :)
[17:28] <WaltzingAlong> would have to define what you mean by better. if better = can be opened by vanilla itunes then no
[17:28] <LurkMore> urgh itunes
[17:30] <rosco_y> aaarrrggghhh is right--as if I have enough time to do the things that I need to do....
[17:30] <rosco_y> Well, thanks everybody, you've been a great help as always!
[17:30] <WaltzingAlong> until next time!
[17:51] <root_> Is there gonna be support for iPod playlists in the next AmaroK/Kubuntu?
[17:55] <WaltzingAlong> root_: how about in #amarok ? next amarok being the one released after 2.4.1beta1? and what about ipod playlist support? does it not already do this? only partially?
[17:57] <WaltzingAlong> root_: as for what 2.4.1 should contain, guess you could check at amarok.kde.org
[17:59] <root_> WaltzingAlong: no it doesn't support playlists on th ipod
[18:03] <LurkMore> easy solution, get rid of ipod
[18:05] <inj3ct0r> hi to all i have problem with my kubuntu 10.10 dikstop when i fix rezolution it became correct but when i reboot it gone like a bird and i should to fix it again what i should do now?
[18:05] <WaltzingAlong> root_: do not know. there was talk about implementing it for 2.4 but that was talk from before summer (northern) 2010
[18:06] <WaltzingAlong> stop rebooting
[18:07] <WaltzingAlong> muhaha
[18:08] <dmatt> inj3ct0r: what graphics card?
[18:08] <inj3ct0r> what do you mean?
[18:09] <Ron__> Hello room...have problems anyone in kmix (kde 4.6) ?
[18:09] <root_> No it's working for me Ron__
[18:10] <Ron__> controls show all ?
[18:11] <inj3ct0r> dmatt:can i come and chat with you ?
[18:21] <inj3ct0r> dmatt?
[18:25] <inj3ct0r> hi to all i have problem with my kubuntu 10.10 dikstop when i fix rezolution it became correct but when i reboot it gone like a bird and i should to fix it again what i should do now?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> inj3ct0r,  what graphics card doyou have? , open a terminal and do , lspci | grep VGA
[18:40] <inj3ct0r> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3)
[18:43] <inj3ct0r> blueskaj : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3)
[18:45] <Liquido___> helo
[18:45] <Liquido___> hello*
[18:46] <Liquido___> how I could configure dns through console?
[18:46] <Liquido___> I some distros I just need to add correct info to the /etc/resolv.conf
[18:46] <Liquido___> but on kubuntu this does not work
[18:46] <Liquido___> may I ask where I should put dns server info ?
[18:46] <Liquido___> please
[18:49] <DarthFrog>  /etc/resolv.conf
[18:49] <Liquido___> DarthFrog: that file doesnt exist\
[18:50] <Liquido___> if I create new one I see that dns isnt updated
[18:50] <tsimpson> it certainly should exist
[18:51] <Liquido___> it never existed on kubuntu tbh
[18:51] <tsimpson> it should do
[18:52] <tsimpson> it's used by pretty much anything that does network access
[18:52] <Liquido___> ye it should , but it doesnt exist
[18:52] <tsimpson> it's always existed for me
[18:52] <tsimpson> I've never had to create it
[18:52] <Liquido___> maybe u ran some 3rd soft and never configured ur network manuall
[18:52] <Liquido___> manually
[18:52] <tsimpson> nope, never
[18:53] <tsimpson> KNetworkManager even writes to it
[18:53] <Liquido___> thats the worst program @kubuntu
[18:53] <Liquido___> it just don't work
[18:53] <Liquido___> and I see that menu of it changed with each release
[18:53] <tsimpson> obviously it does, or I wouldn't be talking here
[18:54] <tsimpson> and it's not Kubuntu specific, it's in KDE
[18:54] <Liquido___> I'm running on 9.04
[18:54] <tsimpson> I'm running 10.04, but resolv.conf is certainly not new
[18:54] <Liquido___> maybe you know how I could change default gateway with route command for eth0 ?
[18:54] <Liquido___> I forgot correct line :S
[18:55] <Liquido___> I could bet for 10 dollars that 'm right
[18:55] <tsimpson> right about what?
[18:56] <Liquido___> that resolv.conf isn't available by default on kubuntu
[18:56] <Liquido___> and
[18:56] <tsimpson> well you're wrong :)
[18:56] <Liquido___> it does nothing when you make and fill it with settings
[18:56] <tsimpson> I've used Kubuntu since 5.10, it's always been there
[18:56] <Liquido___> I don't use drugs btw
[18:56] <tsimpson> dhclient usually creates it, at least before NM existed
[18:57] <tsimpson> it's even used by the C library
[18:58] <tsimpson> man route tells me that "route add default gw gateway" is how you add a default gateway, add "dev eth0" to limit to eith0
[19:00] <php5engineer> How can I disable a gestures in Kubuntu? Sometimes when I touch mouse I see windows switcher like windows flip
[19:12] <areichman> php5engineer: I believe that's in System Settings > Workspace Behaivor > Screen Edges
[19:12] <woner> hello world
[19:18] <php5engineer> areichman, thank you
[19:18] <areichman> did it work?
[19:19] <php5engineer> yes, it works
[20:06] <Daughain> Wht channel would be best for help setting up a *buntu based media server?
[20:07] <James147> Daughain: proball #ubuntu-server
[20:07] <Daughain> Thanks.
[20:08] <James147> ^^ although you can also try here or #ubuntu ^^
[20:09] <Daughain> Actually, there was a chanel I used to frequent a few years ago, I just cant remember the name.....
[20:17] <rats__> hello
[20:18] <rats__> hello
[20:19] <rats__> hello
[20:19] <James147> Hi rats__
[20:21] <rats__> Hi James147 just ckecking irssi stopped responding to this channel but others worked fine
[20:35] <rats__> hmmm
[20:52] <MaximLevitsky> What you folks use for IRC in KDE?
[20:52] <DarthFrog> !konversation
[20:52] <MaximLevitsky> I always used kopete, but it doesn't support IRC :-(
[20:53] <DarthFrog> Konversation and Quassel are the two primary IRC GUI clients in KDE.
[20:53] <MaximLevitsky> I used Quassel, don't like it
[20:53] <DarthFrog> !info konversation
[20:53] <MaximLevitsky> Maybe I'll stick with pidgin for a while
[20:53]  * claydoh uses quassel and likes it
[20:53] <DarthFrog> I prefer Konversation to Quassel myself.
[20:54] <MaximLevitsky> GTK application's don't suck in KDE any more
[20:54] <DarthFrog> An app is an app.  GTK or Qt, it doesn't matter.  They're tools, not religious choices. :-)
[20:54] <MaximLevitsky> Indeed
[20:55] <MaximLevitsky> And I have learned that the hard way
[20:55] <MaximLevitsky> I used KDE3, then Gnome, now I am back to KDE
[20:56] <MaximLevitsky> I have few suggestions to you to make it easier to absorb Gnome dictatorship environment refugees like me
[20:56] <MaximLevitsky> First, the KWallet
[20:57] <MaximLevitsky> It is really anooying that it asks for a password every time
[20:57] <MaximLevitsky> And the fact that it pops up a window about 'allow to use me?' every time
[20:58] <MaximLevitsky> I keep answering yes for all, but it keeps asking
[20:59] <MaximLevitsky> Can I remove 'Favorite Folders' list from Kmail?
[21:01] <claydoh> MaximLevitsky: yes, it is in kmail's settings somewhere
[21:01] <claydoh> Appearance >> layout
[21:02] <MaximLevitsky> I love you KDE
[21:02] <MaximLevitsky> No, these bastards won't take a single setting from me anymore
[21:02] <MaximLevitsky> :-)
[21:03] <claydoh> and you can turn off kwallet, or change it settings as well. I use the wallet on my laptop as it is readily accessible so iwant my email, logins somewhat protected from snoopy people
[21:04] <MaximLevitsky> About KWin, it rivals compiz in features, but its keyboard shortcuts are somehow lacking
[21:04] <MaximLevitsky> Didn't find a way to assign ctrl+alt+mouse1 to show the cube
[21:05] <MaximLevitsky> It seems not to support that at all
[21:07] <rats__> ctrl+F11 will make cube MaximLevitsky
[21:07] <MaximLevitsky> I know
[21:07] <MaximLevitsky> but thats not easy to use
[21:08] <rats__> for easy just set the screen edge
[21:08] <rats__> to make cube
[21:09] <MaximLevitsky> I did that :-)
[21:11] <rats__> if your going to use mouse and keyboard wouldn't be easier to just use mouse
[21:12] <rats__> or just keyboard
[21:12] <MaximLevitsky> I used to these settings and all compiz users are
[21:13] <rats__> ok I just use Metacity for desktop effects
[21:13] <MaximLevitsky> BTW, congratulations for an option to select different WM, in few clicks I could use compiz as well. isn't Democracy wonderful
[21:14] <rats__> not as wonderful as KDE lol
[21:14] <rats__> not even close
[21:14] <MaximLevitsky> still key+mouse shortcuts should be there, really
[21:15] <rats__> true
[21:15] <MaximLevitsky> for example in compiz I can do alt+mouse wheel to change transparency of windows
[21:17] <rats__> Compiz does do more than Metacity but allI need is my cube and a few other basic effects and I'm happy
[21:18] <gaelle> hi, i can't find the debug package for nepomuk in kubuntu 10.10 with kde 4.6.1? nepomuk crashes everytime i start it, but i don't have the debug packages
[21:18] <rats__> don't need rain drops
[21:23] <MaximLevitsky> Also I really miss system monitor
[21:24] <MaximLevitsky> I didn't find any plasma widget that just shows temperature of CPU/GPU...
[21:24] <MaximLevitsky> There is one but it shows graphs and displays temperature in Fahrenheits. No thanks
[21:24] <rats__> There is one for both of those MaximLevitsky
[21:26] <MaximLevitsky> Where
[21:26] <MaximLevitsky> I see the 'Hardware temperature
[21:46] <cecko> hi all, messing around my system I deleted my /tmp, now  even if I recreate it with 755 permissions, I cannot even log in... could anybody please help me?
[22:00] <DarthFrog>  /tmp should have 1777 permissions.
[22:02] <DarthFrog> The leading "1" (could also use "2" for SGID or "4" for SUID) sets the so-called sticky bit (i.e. the "t" you see when you list permisssions) which means only the owner of the file can delete is.
[22:02] <DarthFrog> it.
[22:03] <MaximLevitsky> Yep, temperature monitor shows Celsius now, didn't pick regional settings till reboot
[22:03] <MaximLevitsky> Dashboard is nice btw.
[22:04] <MaximLevitsky> At least a mac os feature that doesn't suck...
[22:04] <MaximLevitsky> unlike global menu that ubuntu forces on its users
[22:05] <rats__> MaximLevitsky: did you find system monitor widget
[22:06] <MaximLevitsky> there is the 'temperature' widget
[22:07] <MaximLevitsky> It contains quite a lot of redundant stuff, but I put it to the dashboard
[22:07] <MaximLevitsky> Doesn't support nvidia binary driver too
[22:08] <MaximLevitsky> don't really need that much, I only keep an eye on temperature when I use nouveau
[22:09] <rats__> ya I watch temp when I make vidio DVDs
[22:10] <rats__> in CLI sensors gives alot of info
[22:18] <MaximLevitsky> Dolphin need a background
[22:18] <MaximLevitsky> Really miss that feature from nautilus
[22:22] <rats__> Backgrounds in Dolphin ? I do like split screens though
[22:23] <MaximLevitsky> Yes, thats a feature that somehow survived in nautilus
[22:23] <rats__> file tranfer the easy way
[22:24] <MaximLevitsky> Yep, here I don't see that connect to server option, right?
[22:28] <rats__> not sure
[23:10] <uriel_> hi
[23:17] <sixofour1234> I just instaleld kubuntu 9.10 [10.10 won't work properly] and I would like to remove KDE and use gnome, is there a guide of sorts on how to do this or may someone assist me in it?
[23:17] <sixofour1234> had to use kubuntu 9.10 [older cd i had] because ubuntu 10.10 won't work
[23:19] <Hamra> i believe installing the package "ubuntu-desktop" will install alongise it everything needed to run a GNOME desktop
[23:19] <Hamra> !package ubuntu-desktop
[23:20] <Axlin> after installing ubuntu-desktop: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnomekarmic
[23:20] <sixofour1234> apt-getting ubuntu-desktop now
[23:20] <sixofour1234> k thanks
[23:21] <Axlin> just leave out the "&& sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" in the command they give, as that would be redundant :P
[23:21] <sixofour1234> :P
[23:22] <sixofour1234> eh, this kinda sucks, they give you a big command to paste into terminal, but you cannot select all of it
[23:22] <sixofour1234> to copypaste it
[23:22] <MaximLevitsky> sixofour1234: you'll be sorry!!!! :-)
[23:23] <MaximLevitsky> I used gnome for about 2 years
[23:23] <sixofour1234> nah, i had kde for awhile, i prefer gnome
[23:23] <MaximLevitsky> Their feature removal attitude finally got me
[23:23] <sixofour1234> my biggest gripe is the file browser
[23:24] <sixofour1234> it was pretty bad when i used it before [in 9.10]
[23:24] <Axlin> sixofour1234: http://pastebin.com/jZ6kz3L7
[23:24] <MaximLevitsky> To be honest nautilus isn't much better
[23:24] <MaximLevitsky> That was the last straw: http://lwn.net/Articles/433409/
[23:24] <sixofour1234> axlin so i run this command - the ubuntu-desktop install..then reboot?
[23:24] <Hamra> to be honest, both dolphin and nautilus are kinda aweful... :P
[23:24] <Axlin> yep sixofour1234
[23:25] <MaximLevitsky> They think we are clowns or something
[23:25] <Axlin> i kinda like dolphin... but this is in comparison to nautilus, thunar, and os x's finder :P
[23:27] <MaximLevitsky> none are good to be honest
[23:28] <sixofour1234> everyone knows the best is explorerer
[23:28] <sixofour1234> explorer*
[23:28] <MaximLevitsky> nah, it gets on my nerves as well
[23:28] <Hamra> good old KDE3.5 konqueror was very good... the kpart responsible for file browsing, while majorly improved in latest 4.6... still feels weird
[23:29] <MaximLevitsky> konqueror was good
[23:29] <sixofour1234> wow its still installing ubuntu-desktop
[23:29] <sixofour1234> says i got 4 minutes left
[23:29] <sixofour1234> must be big
[23:29] <Hamra> cd and ls are my file browser nowadays...
[23:29] <MaximLevitsky> But I decided that I rather suffer a minor problem there or there rather that see all settings disapper
[23:29] <MaximLevitsky> Just try Unity and you will know what I mean
[23:30] <Hamra> heard lots about unity... might install gnome after natty is release just to see what all this hype is
[23:30] <sixofour1234> i'm not that hardcore of a user really, so its no big deal for me, i think alot of the changes to gnome have to do with idiot proofing, while users who are advanced find it annoying
[23:31] <MaximLevitsky> nope, to idiot proof the linux, one needs first to fix bugs and create simple applications for tasks
[23:31] <MaximLevitsky> like take simple-scan for instance, thats is really good step forward
[23:31] <sixofour1234> also, kde seems to run slower than gnome for me every time i tried it
[23:31] <sixofour1234> like jsut now clicking the links posted in chat, took a few seconds to open
[23:32] <sixofour1234> with konquruer
[23:32] <MaximLevitsky> sixofour1234: that is kwin fault
[23:32] <sixofour1234> and i had to triple click, which is weird
[23:32] <MaximLevitsky> kwin here is order of magnitude slower that compiz
[23:32] <Hamra> well... yes, it's no secret, KDE requires more from a computer than gnome
[23:32] <sixofour1234> and my computer isn't rich
[23:32] <sixofour1234> :P
[23:32] <MaximLevitsky> But **drum roll*** you can easily use compiz in KDE
[23:33] <MaximLevitsky> You even now have an drop down menu which WM to use
[23:33] <sixofour1234> i don't need to see my desktop turned into an icecube that actually melts any time soon
[23:33] <MaximLevitsky> And look at Unity
[23:34] <sixofour1234> what is unity?
[23:34] <MaximLevitsky> A new interface like plasma for gnome
[23:34] <sixofour1234> oh
[23:34] <MaximLevitsky> it replaces toolbar and desktop
[23:34] <sixofour1234> is it any good?
[23:35] <MaximLevitsky> guees what it has zero 1-1, 5^0-1 settings
[23:35] <sixofour1234> as far as visuals are concerned i rarely do more than change colors and fonts
[23:35] <sixofour1234> you lost me MaximLevitsky
[23:35] <sixofour1234> lol
[23:35] <MaximLevitsky> forget any applets
[23:35] <MaximLevitsky> meet the forced mac-style global menu
[23:36] <MaximLevitsky> you can't even launch 2 copies of same application
[23:36] <sixofour1234> yeah i read about that
[23:36] <sixofour1234> but i don't think it prevents you from doing it, maybe it jsut makes it more inconvienent?
[23:36] <MaximLevitsky> its launch menu is full screen and you need a hour to find anything there
[23:37] <sixofour1234> lol
[23:37] <MaximLevitsky> And all of this is _by design_
[23:37] <MaximLevitsky> And it mandates compiz, but doesn't let you use the cube!
[23:37] <MaximLevitsky> its like raping it...
[23:38] <MaximLevitsky> Gnome shell is more or less the same beast
[23:38] <sixofour1234> that's what i normally use
[23:38] <MaximLevitsky> And it acts as a composing manager, so there you can't run compiz at all
[23:39] <MaximLevitsky> needs 3d too, but draws none of it
[23:39] <sixofour1234> well, how about don't run compiz :D all my problems solved
[23:39] <MaximLevitsky> just read this http://lwn.net/Articles/433409/
[23:39] <sixofour1234> i had it before but its pretty novelty to me
[23:40] <sixofour1234> well
[23:40] <sixofour1234> if i could open the link i will
[23:40] <MaximLevitsky> well, with gnome-shell you get all the compiz problems (slow, uses resources, etc) but none of its nice features
[23:41] <MaximLevitsky> and its forced on you, and zero settings
[23:41] <MaximLevitsky> I mean this time gnome really stepped the line
[23:41] <MaximLevitsky> I like Gnome 2 as it is, but thats is just too far
[23:42] <MaximLevitsky> In gnome 3, they even hid the shutdown button
[23:42] <MaximLevitsky> I mean to shutdown, you will need to press alt, then open a menu and select shutdown
[23:42] <michi911> hi all
[23:43] <michi911> ive a problem with the volano java chat....
[23:43] <michi911> if i open the chat i cant close the java  windows
[23:44] <michi911> can someone help me
[23:45] <michi911> using ff 3.6/4.0, jre6.20/6.24 but nothing works
[23:45] <MaximLevitsky> michi911: well, bugs, bugs, bugs
[23:48] <sixofour1234> well MaximLevitsky most of the things mentioned in that article are fairly shitty, but we'll just see how gnome works now, if its too bad for me i can try kde again, it really boils down to which i can get to run faster
[23:49] <MaximLevitsky> sixofour1234: currenly gnome is quite good
[23:50] <sixofour1234> only problems i had really
[23:50] <sixofour1234> was keymappings
[23:50] <sixofour1234> my laptop had a broken enter button, so i had to remap enter to rshift
[23:50] <sixofour1234> it was a pain in the butt
[23:50] <sixofour1234> i had to make a script that loads on  linux boot
[23:50] <sixofour1234> a very rigged way of doing it
[23:51] <sixofour1234> also pressing the "disable mouse" button on the laptop right above the mouse tracker, caused gnome to freeze requiring a reboot
[23:51] <MaximLevitsky> There is one good saying: Make it simple but not too simple
[23:51] <sixofour1234> i eventually ripped that button out because i kept hitting it
[23:52] <MaximLevitsky> Currently gnome contains the minimum of settings. Its possible to adjust to it, but not that easy
[23:53] <MaximLevitsky> Gnome 3 is well below the minumum, its just unusable
[23:57] <MaximLevitsky> WOW, kwin4 unlike compiz actually doesn't allow a window to span 2 desktops
[23:57] <MaximLevitsky> I absolutely hate that compiz feature
[23:59] <gomiboy> but it's cool to play a video on the border of the cube :D