[00:03] <Compacthack> Morning all, 
[01:08] <head_victim> ikt: yeah it's getting close, made beta now.
[01:09] <head_victim> Compacthack: good morning
[01:10] <head_victim> Whoops, look at the time, I have to go do some mowing so I can be back for the translation jam. Hope to see some people here for that
[01:33] <Compacthack> Hey has anyone tried 11.04 Beta in VB? I'm having all kinds of fun.
[02:57] <head_victim> Compacthack: I had a hardware meltdown about 6 months ago and haven't had a chance to redo my VMs for this release cycle :/ Is it shaping up ok?
[03:55] <head_victim> So anyone here for the translation jam?
[04:07] <head_victim> Well if anyone drops in for the translation jam please just give me a ping, I'm hoping some people will drop by as they have time. I've started working on the translations but will still be here for anyone needing help getting started or has any questions
[04:27] <sagaci> yep
[04:27] <sagaci> head_victim: ping
[04:27] <head_victim> sagaci: welcome :)
[04:27] <head_victim> So how far into the documentation on the wiki did you get?
[04:28] <sagaci> for translations?
[04:28] <head_victim> Yeah https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Translation
[04:28] <head_victim> I'm just trying to see if you're comfortable doing translation alone or if you wanted some help getting started.
[04:29] <sagaci> oh, I thought you meant the main documentation
[04:29] <head_victim> Hah yeah, get it finished already ;)
[04:29] <sagaci> what area are you going to focus on
[04:30] <head_victim> I've actually started on kubuntu-docs
[04:30] <sagaci> ah ok
[04:30] <sagaci> I started banshee the other day but only got through about a third of it
[04:30] <head_victim> It was kinda random, I was looking for examples so those who weren't sure how to do it I could have some examples ready to go
[04:31] <head_victim> Sweet, well if you want to continue on that, I am hoping people can just make a note of what packages they finish so we can show "what we did" sort of thing
[04:31] <head_victim> But yeah it's good to konw who's working on what so we don't all trip up on each other
[04:31] <sagaci> how does karma work on launchpad
[04:32] <sagaci> i understand you get karma by doing things but then how do you lose it
[04:32] <head_victim> Ah it expires after a year
[04:32] <head_victim> So it's only a snapshot of time
[04:33] <head_victim> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Karma is the in depth information on that
[04:43] <head_victim> I actually like translating the -doc stuff because it teaches me things at the same time :)
[04:44] <head_victim> I found out about some features in exaile I didn't know about until I translated that package
[05:02] <blahdeblah> Hi folks, i've had a request from http://www.highanddrycomputers4u.org/ to help them with rolling out Ubuntu on some of their donated computers.  Their licensing negotiations with Microsoft have fallen down :-D and they are wondering what help we can give them to get Ubuntu-based computers into needy familes' hands.  Any thoughts?
[05:04] <Blank__> hmm, good question
[05:05] <Blank__> support is probably the most important thing, because people who are used to other operating systems (or none at all) will need it
[05:06] <blahdeblah> yep
[05:06] <head_victim> Installation will be easy, the support is the issue like Blank__ said 
[05:06] <head_victim> Depends on the recipients really, are they going to be mum and dads or computer saavy people?
[05:06] <Blank__> there might be a few fiddly installs though, systems with prop drivers and systems requiring workarounds, but nothing too severe
[05:07] <blahdeblah> head_victim: H&D are targeting the most needy families, and small businesses
[05:07] <Blank__> for small businesses we should get a list of management software, GNUCash etc
[05:07] <head_victim> blahdeblah: well I have a bunch of business cards still if they'd be useful
[05:08] <blahdeblah> I wonder how many people we could pull together for an install- and training-fest.
[05:08] <head_victim> Where are the computers though, in Brisbane?
[05:08] <head_victim> I'd be happy to come along to an installfest and help organise a training session
[05:08] <blahdeblah> Yeah - although target area is Ipswich mostly.
[05:09] <blahdeblah> They're working with the Ipswich City Council, i think.
[05:09] <Blank__> it's sad because i can't drive and therefore can't go anywhere to help :( being on the NSW South Coast is annoying when it's not close to the action
[05:09] <head_victim> That's easy travel for me and if people were worried about travel I'd be more than happy to carpool people from my house
[05:12] <MoLE_> sorry I'm late everyone
[05:12] <head_victim> MoLE_: no worries, it's only me and sagaci at this point.
[05:12] <head_victim> MoLE_: how experience with translation work are you?
[05:12] <blahdeblah> Did i gate-crash something else?  I haven't been keeping up with the mailing list or IRC much lately.
[05:12] <MoLE_> head_victim, I'm pretty experienced.  I've been on the uau translation team for almost a year
[05:13] <head_victim> blahdeblah: we're having a translation jam but this is more an organisation area so no worries with other conversation as well
[05:13] <blahdeblah> OK
[05:13] <head_victim> MoLE_: cool, well feel free to dive in to anything you want, sagaci is working on banshee and I'm going through kubuntu-docs. If you can please just keep a record of what packages you've completed so we can show "what we accomplished"
[05:13] <ikt> ah
[05:14] <head_victim> MoLE_: feel free to ask any questions you always wanted to ask as well :)
[05:14] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Better for me to send something to the mailing list as well?
[05:14] <ikt> oversleeping ftl :/
[05:14] <head_victim> blahdeblah: but yeah what sort of numbers of computers are we talking about?
[05:14] <blahdeblah> Let me find out for you
[05:14] <head_victim> blahdeblah: sounds good, you thinking of coming to the release party for Natty? Could be a good item of discussion there as well
[05:14] <head_victim> ikt: sleep is so good sometimes though
[05:14] <blahdeblah> I hadn't checked the date yet
[05:14] <MoLE_> Ok, I usually work on gnumed and openmolar  (kind of medical apps)  I'll ask away if I have problems head_victim 
[05:15] <ikt> brb
[05:15] <head_victim> MoLE_: cool, thanks mate. This is all about getting as much done as possible before the string freeze for natty
[05:16] <MoLE_> head_victim, when is that btw?
[05:16] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I'm not a big "this is how to do this" kind of person but more than willing to help out with organisation and stuff. If I get enough notice I can even submit a request to Canonical for official CDs and some paraphernalia
[05:16] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule according to that the 7th of April ;)
[05:18] <blahdeblah> There's no way in the world they're gonna make that date.
[05:18] <blahdeblah> They've only just released beta 1
[05:18] <ikt> did you have a link to the translation docs head_victim ?
[05:19] <ikt> blahdeblah: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[05:19] <ikt> ?
[05:19] <head_victim> ikt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Translation is where I put most of it
[05:19] <head_victim> ikt: have you done much translation before?
[05:20] <ikt> not really, only just looked around at the docs when this was first annouced
[05:20] <head_victim> AH k no dramas
[05:20] <head_victim> Well you have a launchpad account right?
[05:20] <blahdeblah> Ah, was the 7th the translation cutoff rather than the release date?
[05:20] <head_victim> blahdeblah: yep :)
[05:21] <MoLE_> looking at the "todo" list on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+lang/en_AU it looks like firefox needs some serious love
[05:21] <ikt> head_victim: yeah
[05:22] <head_victim> MoLE_: that it does, I never quite got around to that one yet
[05:22] <head_victim> MoLE_: you sticking your hand up to tackle that one today?
[05:22] <head_victim> ikt: sweet that makes it easy
[05:22] <head_victim> ikt: first of all you need to join those teams on launchpad that are mentioned on the wiki, this will allow you to translate enAU
[05:22] <MoLE_> head_victim, I'll do it.  I'm just finishing off remmina (replacing tsclient in natty I think)
[05:23] <head_victim> MoLE_: cool, just making sure we all know where we're at so we don't trip over each other :) I'm looking like I'll finish the Kubuntu-Docs today.
[05:25] <MoLE_> :)
[05:25] <MoLE_> hey, should grayscale be "greyscale" or leave as-is
[05:26] <MoLE_> I'm inclining to the latter
[05:26] <head_victim> I always change to grey
[05:26] <MoLE_> cool
[05:26] <MoLE_> thanks
[05:27] <MoLE_> remmina is done - starting firefox
[05:27] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation#Translation%20Guidelines is a great resource for "hmm I wonder about ..."
[05:28] <head_victim> We are pretty much identical to enGB so I don't want to rewrite it all
[05:29] <head_victim> ikt: how you going with joining those teams?
[05:29] <ikt> done
[05:29] <head_victim> Sweet
[05:30] <ikt> was just reading over the differences, should be mandatory reading in school :|
[05:30] <head_victim> I assume you are proficient in enAU, if you have doubts feel free to ask or check that link I just posted.
[05:30] <MoLE_> should be.  I did well in high school english :D
[05:30] <head_victim> Yeah it's a really good reference. I'm fairly pedantic when it comes to spelling and grammar. I was so poor at it in primary school I made a thing of it to make it perfect.
[05:30] <MoLE_> I weep for the children though - I saw "pretty" spelt "pritty" on ebay recently.
[05:31] <head_victim> MoLE_: maybe it was pritty and we just don't know what pritty is?
[05:31] <ikt> lol
[05:31] <MoLE_> let me just google that...
[05:31] <ikt> urban dictionary 
[05:33] <MoLE_> scary
[05:34] <ikt> used to describe quantity; 
[05:34] <ikt> hahaha
[05:34] <MoLE_> I've just noticed that having the English - Australia dictionary loaded for firefox spellchecking can be quite handy
[05:34] <head_victim> MoLE_: it's a godsend
[05:34] <ikt> head_victim: is there any paticular package I should work on?
[05:34] <head_victim> But only works on multi line boxes unless you tell it otherwise
[05:35] <MoLE_> ok I'll keep that in mind
[05:35] <ikt> particular*
[05:35] <head_victim> ikt: really, whatever it is you use the most is a good start. MoLE_ is working on firefox at the moment, sagaci is working on banshee and I'm on Kubuntu-Docs
[05:35] <MoLE_> you can help me with firefox if you like
[05:35] <head_victim> Nah can only have one at a time or you'll double up
[05:35] <MoLE_> Just use the filter for untranlated items
[05:35] <MoLE_> *untranslated
[05:36] <head_victim> According to the gods in Ubuntu-Translation if you both hit that at the same time you'll both get the same strings then when you hit save you'll save over each other
[05:36] <head_victim> ukedron: hi, welcome :)
[05:36] <ikt> kk
[05:36] <MoLE_> ok that's fair enough then head_victim 
[05:36] <MoLE_> thanks for the tip
[05:36] <head_victim> MoLE_: yeah I checked on that, I was hoping we could all have a crack at firefox together and get it done this afternoon as a goal for the day or something
[05:37] <ikt> i'll hit up software centre
[05:37] <MoLE_> cool ikt
[05:37] <head_victim> ikt: good work, just keep a list of what packages you finish off so we can add it to the wiki page at the end to show our work
[05:38] <ikt> kk
[05:41] <head_victim> Just a note that threw me when I first started, if you see weird characters like _ thrown in it's important to ensure they stay there. For example _ indicates a shortcut key so _Save would mean alt+S would activate that shrotcut
[05:42] <head_victim> THere are a couple of others I've run across, if in doubt in the future and no one is here, the people in #ubuntu-translators are always good to ask, they are very helpful
[05:42] <MoLE_> Cracked the 5000!  now only 4991 items to translate for firefox!
[05:42] <head_victim> MoLE_: Yay!
[05:43] <MoLE_> how are you going on kubuntu-docs head_victim 
[05:43] <ikt> Failed to submit usefulness <- o_O?
[05:43] <head_victim> MoLE_: about two thirds through
[05:43] <head_victim> ikt: not seen that error before, is that on a string or on when you hit save and continue?
[05:43] <MoLE_> ikt, sounds like chaiwanese
[05:44] <head_victim> Oh it's a string? Hmm.
[05:46] <ikt> yeah it's something to translate
[05:46] <head_victim> Is there any further information in the notes? If not I'd submit a bug.
[05:47] <head_victim> Ah hang on. Does the software centre have a "usefulness" indicator on applications?
[05:47] <head_victim> That might be a string to give you an error if you use that and it hasn't worked?
[05:47] <head_victim> croppa: Hi, welcome 
[05:47] <ikt> might just leave it as no translation
[05:48] <MoLE_> or you could flag it for review?
[05:49] <head_victim> MoLE_: good idea, don't be scared to use that, I do it all the time when I'm not sure
[05:49] <MoLE_> me too
[05:49] <ikt> ah good call
[05:53] <sagaci> package banshee has 1500 cases that need to be translated, is that a lot, average/normal amount for one package
[05:53] <head_victim> sagaci: depends on the package, firefox has over 5k
[05:54] <head_victim> Some of the kubuntu-docs ones I'm doing only have 50 - 100
[05:54] <MoLE_> head_victim, now 4902 for firefox
[05:54] <MoLE_> remmina only had 75
[05:56] <sagaci> just making sure i'm doing this 100% correct, if you have a page with 10 cases on it and all don't need translation, you just hit save and continue down the bottom, right
[05:57] <head_victim> sagaci: Hm not sure, I have always hit the blue arrow for each string
[05:57] <head_victim> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45015261@N04/5580664639/ is a highlighted image of what I do
[05:58] <MoLE_> sagaci, you explicitly need to enter the translation, otherwise it goes untranslated
[05:58] <head_victim> Is the number of untranslated items going down?
[06:00] <sagaci> I don't like that, if something doesn't need to be translated, it should be just left there
[06:00] <head_victim> Well all the kubuntu-docs are finished. I might start on ubuntu-docs now
[06:01] <MoLE_> I can see why though sagaci, as for the non-english translations, it would need to be entered explicitly
[06:01] <MoLE_> So the infrastructure needs to be consistent.
[06:02] <MoLE_> Would be nice to have a checkbox at the bottom of the page like "copy all base translations on this page to current language"
[06:03] <sagaci> yeah and someone that is lazy could just go save continue, etc
[06:04] <sagaci> but does this work roll over to the next release
[06:04] <head_victim> Yes, unless they change the strings
[06:05] <MoLE_> head_victim, you sure about that, cause I'm getting lots of previously translated strings coming up as 'suggestions'
[06:05] <head_victim> MoLE_: that's for string sin other packages
[06:05] <head_victim> So if it finds strings in other packages the same it gives you suggestions
[06:05] <MoLE_> Ah.  firefox 3 is different to firefox 4
[06:06] <MoLE_> that makes sens
[06:06] <MoLE_> *sense
[06:06] <head_victim> Yep :)
[06:10] <MoLE_> gtg guys sorry - visitors
[06:10] <head_victim> MoLE_: no worries
[06:14] <sagaci> head_victim: how big is ubuntu-docs
[06:14] <head_victim> Looks like a couple of thousand strings still to be done
[06:14] <head_victim> It's a collection of about 15 packages
[06:14] <head_victim> Some of them only have 50 some of them have over 500
[06:14] <sagaci> ah ok
[06:14] <sagaci> so it's like a meta-package
[06:15] <head_victim> Yeah I'd say that's exactly what it is https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/ubuntu-docs/
[06:17] <sagaci> when does this work sync... at translation freeze?
[06:17] <head_victim> I believe so
[06:18] <head_victim> I'm not 100% on all the technical details on when it all happens, etc. But the release schedule should give you pointers to more in depth info if you wanted it. 
[06:19] <sagaci> 24% through banshee
[06:20] <head_victim> Awesome. I always like picking packages I use a lot myself so I can be sure I don't get words like "color" and "optimize" thrown at me
[06:20] <sagaci> which is why i started with banshee
[06:21] <head_victim> We aren't all American thank goodnees
[06:33] <head_victim> Oh one thing to come out of the english mailing list recently that I probably should have said earlier, all references to "Trash" should be labelled "Rubbish Bin"
[06:34] <head_victim> They found there were about 10 different ways people were translating "Trash" so they just decided that "Rubbish Bin" was the most appropriate.
[06:41] <ikt> good decision imo
[06:42] <head_victim> Definitely more enAU than Trash, but the problem is there's about 10 different ways of doing it already in the strings :/
[06:47] <sagaci> any way to increase the number of strings per page
[06:48] <head_victim> Not that I know of. What I've found useful when sitting here doing nothing but translating is to do 2 - 3 packages at once so when it's "saving" I can work on another set of strings to reduce downtime.
[06:48] <head_victim> I didn't suggest it today because I didn't want 5 people all trying to do the same packages :/
[06:49] <sagaci> nah, i haven't got the brainpower to multitask
[06:54] <sagaci> head_victim: using firefox?
[06:55] <head_victim> Yeah
[07:03] <head_victim> So how are we all going?
[07:04] <ikt> finished a few now
[07:04] <ikt> just might need you to review a few of them
[07:04] <ikt> look for: Software-center
[07:04] <ikt> ubuntuone-client
[07:04] <ikt> ubuntuone-control-panel
[07:04] <head_victim> That's fine, just mark them for review and we'll all check on each other :)
[07:05] <head_victim> I'm down to about 1000 strings in ubuntu-docs so I figure I'll knock that off in the next while
[07:07] <ikt> yeah I'm going through all the easy ones :P
[07:07] <head_victim> Hah that's good though, it's nice to see lists of completed packages
[07:07] <head_victim> It's all got to be done :)
[07:08] <ikt> A++ on the layout
[07:08] <ikt> this couldn't be easier for us
[07:09] <head_victim> It's the one thing I figured I knew enough about to host a session on. Sorry it's not as exciting as papercuts or bugs or something but at least we're doing somethign :)
[07:09] <sagaci> 300 for banshee
[07:09] <ikt> head_victim this is awesome
[07:09] <ikt> do you know hew?
[07:10] <ikt> he's an ubuntu member, lives in sydney, and does a lot of translations, but he's not in ubu au?
[07:10] <head_victim> Glad you're liking it. The idea was that I could impart some knowledge and hopefully get some people doing this on a continued basis.
[07:10] <head_victim> Hew did used to come in here with the nick Hew :)
[07:10] <head_victim> Been a while though
[07:12] <head_victim> I was hoping a couple of the translation tragic's would come out for this but it's been good that I wasn't sitting here alone :)
[07:13] <head_victim> I'm always worried I'll end up organising something that I'll be the only one at :P
[07:13] <ikt> haha I hear that :P
[07:13] <ikt> we're a recovering team though, and a few people inc. me have been getting really busy irl
[07:14] <ikt>  /wave kermaic if you see this
[07:14] <head_victim> Me to, I've been going crazy looking for another job so that's taking up 20 or more hours a week 
[07:21] <ikt> gg
[07:24] <ikt> sorry getting distracted
[07:24] <ikt> every time we get a spam email through I have to go over and see what went wrong
[07:24] <head_victim> Hah that's fair enough, we are running over time a bit here. I'm just happy we've got as much done as we've achieved already.
[07:25] <ikt> nice :)
[07:35] <head_victim> Yay under 500 to go for ubuntu-docs
[07:42] <sagaci> banshee done
[07:42] <ikt> ^^
[07:42] <ikt> gz :D
[07:42] <sagaci> i just spend an hour and a half turning a red bar green
[07:42] <head_victim> Doesn't it feel good :)
[07:43] <sagaci> well it does since I use that package
[07:43] <sagaci> but to be honest I don't think i'd enjoy doing a package I don't use
[07:44] <head_victim> Well I'm sure there's plenty to do on the ones you do use
[07:45] <sagaci> yep
[07:45] <ikt> brb
[07:46] <sagaci> 180000 translatable strings
[07:46] <sagaci> 49.34% done
[07:50] <ikt> that's a lot of strings
[07:50] <sagaci> that's more % than I expected
[07:51] <head_victim> It's not a bad effort considering th enumber of packages that are involved
[07:52] <sagaci> so "Empty Trash" should be "Empty Rubbish Bin"
[07:53] <head_victim> Yeah that's the consensus
[07:56] <head_victim> ikt: have you been doing english (Australia) ? I've looked at software center and ubuntu one and they are still untranslated?
[07:59] <head_victim> Hah nah they're good I was just looking somewhere else apaprently
[08:00] <head_victim> sagaci: you beat me to them :P
[08:01] <sagaci> head_victim: certain center's you shouldn't translate though
[08:01] <sagaci> like install the software-center package
[08:01] <head_victim> Yeah, when they're in file names
[08:04] <sagaci> translations are only for packages in main?
[08:08] <head_victim> Nah they're for anyone who's willing to organise translations on launchpad, don't have to even be Ubuntu related at all
[08:20] <sagaci> is there any benefit trying to get all of it translated... what I'm asking is if in theory, if we were to finish it all this cycle, would it lessen the burden or number of strings to translate for the oneiric dev cycle?
[08:20] <head_victim> Definitely
[08:21] <head_victim> Only when strings are changed do they need translating agian
[08:21] <sagaci> yeah so obviously it's a never-ending job because new strings are created but is it worth trying to get down to say ~20,000 
[08:22] <head_victim> Well if you get it down to 0 then all you have to do is keep up with them as they change strings
[08:22] <sagaci> yeah, being realist though
[08:22] <sagaci> has it ever been at 0?
[08:23] <head_victim> sagaci, ikt, MoLE_ if you all want to check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Translation to make sure I didn't miss anything
[08:23] <head_victim> sagaci: not to my knowledge
[08:27] <sagaci> just remember 180399
[08:27] <sagaci> see how much today's effort has brought that down
[08:28] <head_victim> I keep waiting for my karma to update to know how many I've done :)
[08:36] <sagaci> would that be at 0:00 UTC
[08:37] <head_victim> I read somewhere it's meant to update close to hourly
[08:37] <head_victim> BUt that could be wrong
[08:43] <head_victim> Alright, I'm out for a while. Might be back on later so I can shoot an email to the list about the efforts.
[08:47] <sagaci> Did about 2000 in a couple of hours
[09:27] <ikt> beta still a little bit buggy :/
[09:28] <head_victim> Oh, my karma just updated, around 2500 is what I got this afternoon :D
[09:28] <head_victim> I'm nearly 6000 now :)
[09:32] <head_victim> I'm wondering if I stuffed something up the other day when I rebuilt this PC, the temp is supposedly sitting above 75 :/ I guess I'll be back in an hour or two after checking
[10:41] <sagaci> head_victim, karma updated?
[10:44] <ikt> sagaci: did yours?
[10:45] <sagaci> Don't know, on a crappy phone
[10:46] <ikt> I think it will
[10:46] <ikt> has*
[10:46] <ikt> because mine updated as well
[10:46] <sagaci> How much
[10:48] <sagaci> I'll look mine up now
[10:52] <ikt> mines @ 2500 because I do a lot of bug work
[10:52] <ikt> not sure how much of it is translations
[10:53] <sagaci> Wow guys, 180399 down to 174999
[10:55] <ikt> nice :)
[11:49] <sagaci> head_victim, ping
[11:49] <head_victim> sagaci: it's sitting at 174699 now :D
[11:49] <head_victim> Oh gday
[11:50] <sagaci> yeah, noted that before... so a good 5000 done today
[11:50] <head_victim> 5700 :)
[11:52] <sagaci> yeah, that's assuming it hadn't changed much since we actually did start, I collected the 180399 about halfway through, but I doubt it would have changed much up til then
[11:52] <head_victim> Is that what you were pinging about?
[11:52] <sagaci> yeahp
[11:52] <head_victim> Hah great minds think alike
[11:52] <sagaci> head_victim, you still going?
[11:53] <head_victim> Nah not really.
[11:53] <head_victim> I pulled this pc apart again, I still can't get sound to work either on board or through a sound card (that may or may not be working) and the temperature is suggesting the CPU is on 75 but it's now.
[11:53] <head_victim> not*
[11:54] <sagaci> oh ok
[11:54] <head_victim> Given up for now and just hope I can afford the new atoms sooner rather than later.
[11:54] <sagaci> so how many people participated today
[11:55] <head_victim> ikt, MoLE_, yourself and I were the people who indicated they were around
[11:55] <sagaci> righteo
[11:55] <sagaci> nisshh, were you jamming?
[11:56] <head_victim> Gotta love april fools - http://www.junauza.com/2011/04/lady-gaga-goes-gaga-over-ubuntu.html
[11:59] <nisshh> sagaci, ?
[12:00] <sagaci> did you translate today?
[12:00] <nisshh> no
[12:00] <nisshh> i write code, i dont translate
[12:00] <nisshh> code + docs, is what i do
[12:01] <sagaci> head_victim, where was that indepth karma explanation?
[12:01] <head_victim> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Karma
[12:01] <sagaci> head_victim, you've got it bookmarked don't you
[12:01] <head_victim> Nope, just searched the channel scrollback
[12:02] <head_victim> I have just over a month in my buffer
[12:03] <sagaci> guess so, since this channel is pretty low-volume
[12:03] <sagaci> there's sometimes consecutive days where there's no activity here
[12:03] <head_victim> Helps I have 5k scrollback set as well
[12:03] <sagaci> i checked the logs for something else a while back
[12:19] <sagaci> head_victim, should try to knock firefox over next weekend
[12:20] <head_victim> sagaci: yeah I was going to try for it during the week
[12:21] <sagaci> head_victim, you start and 0, I start at 4000, finish at the same time, gg
[12:22] <head_victim> Hah no worries looking up keyboards now though
[12:22] <sagaci> like that mouse the other day?
[12:23] <head_victim> http://www.deckkeyboards.com/product_info.php?products_id=53 is the kb I'm looking at
[12:29] <head_victim> I need backlit due to lighting in this room and difficulty hitting keys accurately for kvm stuffs late at night. Mechanical seems to be the go so combining those 2 things pointed to the deck :D
[12:32] <sagaci> but $150 on a keyboard
[12:32] <sagaci> is that normal
[12:32] <head_victim> Not sure, I don't buy them often. But the backlit ones are all over 70
[12:32] <sagaci> or is this just coming from an oblivious non-geek
[12:33] <sagaci> backlit fair enough
[12:33] <head_victim> And I want a standard keyboard, it runs through a kvm so most "extra" keys don't make it to the PC
[12:34] <sagaci> head_victim, or on a different scale, we translated about 2.5% today
[12:35] <head_victim> sagaci: that's a good number for  4 peole in one day
[12:36] <sagaci> uk is no. 1 obviously, 6900 strings to go
[12:37] <sagaci> but we're pretty significant with only 81 contributors
[12:37] <head_victim> Yeah I was hoping we could get more involved today
[12:38] <head_victim> BUt we can do them again
[12:38] <sagaci> once a cycle?
[12:38] <head_victim> I just saw an opportunity to line up with the Global Jam
[12:40] <ikt> head_victim: double check the au wiki, just changed the web groups thingo so it's a lot closer and not as seperated
[12:40] <head_victim> ikt: like we discussed the other week on your test page?
[12:41] <ikt> nah
[12:41] <ikt> decided not to do as big a change as the test page
[12:41] <ikt> just made the web groups under 1 banner instead of 5
[12:41] <head_victim> Ah ok, I liked the test page :P
[12:41] <head_victim> But yeah how itis now is ok (btw I'm sneaky, I'm subscribed to the whole team wiki so as soon as it's edited I konw ;) )
[12:42] <ikt> i saw that :P
[12:42] <ikt> the test wiki was good, I just want some feed back from people who are almost 'lost' looking for ubu au info before I propose it
[12:42] <ikt> also what else was there to do to get the loco re-approved?
[12:43] <head_victim> Just activity in general
[12:43] <head_victim> We've adressed most of the rest
[12:43] <ikt> hrmm
[12:43] <head_victim> Need to keep up to date on the meetings and reports but other than that getting out there and doing stuff is about it
[12:44] <ikt> if only there was something we could all do as a team frequently
[12:44] <ikt> like once a week
[12:44] <ikt> gaming comes to mind but it's hard to find a game everyone likes to play
[12:44] <head_victim> I want to start a Ubuntu hour in brisbane but can't until I get a mon - fri 9-5
[12:47] <ikt> I want a 9-5 that doesn't pay minimum wage :P
[12:47] <ikt> what type of job are you going after?
[12:47] <ikt> I'm looking at helpdesk sorta stuff
[12:47] <head_victim> Government admin stuffs.
[12:47] <ikt> admin!
[12:47] <head_victim> Looking at AO5/6 maybe a 4 if I like it
[12:48] <ikt> A05 ? citrix xenapp?
[12:48] <head_victim> Nah, admin as in paper pusher.
[12:48] <head_victim> Nothing IT related. I have no IT qualifications or experience.
[12:48] <ikt> ah
[12:49] <head_victim> AO4/5/6 are payscales, indicative of the level of office.
[12:50] <ikt> just looking at it now
[12:54] <sagaci> head_victim, do you work weekends
[12:54] <head_victim> sagaci: I'm currently working 4 days on 4 days off so every week I work different days.
[12:55] <sagaci> head_victim, well just do it one saturday morning or afternoon and see how it goes
[12:56] <head_victim> Yeah I'm hoping to bring it up at the release party
[13:06] <sagaci> btw, the ubuntu installer is looking pretty swish these days
[13:07] <head_victim> Yeah it's all of about 5 or 6 questions and you're done
[13:07] <sagaci> and the first slideshow slide is slick
[14:19]  * head_victim waves to duanedesign 
[14:19] <duanedesign> hello head_victim 
[14:45] <ikt> want ice cream now :(
[14:45] <ikt> thanks google :/
[14:48] <head_victim> sagaci & ikt & everyone else in here, I am planning on going for Ubuntu Membership this week. If anyone has the inclination if they could please add a nice comment at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris
[14:48] <ikt> gl, i'll add to it tomorrow, bit late atm
[14:48] <head_victim> ikt: no worries
[14:52] <ikt> removed banshee, but it still showed up in the sound menu
[14:52] <ikt> click on banshee == unity crash