[00:06] grrrr, locked out now for some reason [00:09] hamitron: debugging obsfucated code is fun :D [00:14] :) [01:05] sddfkljhsdaldfhnasdnkjn [01:05] hamitron: keyboard test? [01:06] no, just in a bad mood [01:06] was that or the mouse was gonna meet the wall [01:07] just had cops round, so kinda hyped up [01:07] hamitron: :o! What happened?! [01:08] sisters mobile is still registered at this address, and she had to phone the police because of her bf beating her (again) [01:08] seems someone was talking abut TuxGuitar earlier! I use that! [01:08] hamitron: ouch :( [01:08] don't need them calling around, not even knowing the name of who called [01:09] really high stress [01:09] can imagine! [01:09] once they confirmed it was her, and we gave the other address, they won't even contact us to let us know she is safe [01:10] hamitron: not wonderful [01:10] lucky, this time he hadn't broken her phone [01:10] so we could contact her [01:10] but last time her phone was smashed and we were in the dark [01:11] cba to fix my vps I broke now [01:11] so just gonna try chill [02:26] hamitron: play starcraft 2 with me and my mate :D [02:31] HazRPG: don't own it [02:31] :) [02:31] but ty for offer [02:32] I got a trial key for steam, but it is a huge download [02:32] so not bothered [02:35] hamitron: new xkcd is in 3D!!!!! [02:35] :o!!!!!!!!! [02:35] this is FREAKY! [02:38] xkcd? [02:38] hamitron: .... your kidding right? [02:38] no... [02:38] hamitron: hit it! http://xkcd.com [02:38] web comic for geeks :) [02:39] so epic! [02:39] I am not a geek ;) [02:40] hamitron: lies ;) [02:40] I just never got into all these "geek interests" [02:40] tbh, I consider myself more of an engineer in general, than an IT guy [02:42] hamitron: then you'll love xkcd! [02:42] it has physic! [02:42] science! [02:42] IT stuffs! [02:43] the time wasted reading comics, can be spent doing something useful [02:43] the only problem is I tend to spend that time moaning instead [02:43] but... but... [02:43] well what are you doing now? [02:43] exactly! [02:43] hit the link :D [02:43] installing ubuntu [02:43] ;/ [02:43] hit it... [02:43] hittttt itttttt [02:47] busy [02:47] and off to bed soon [02:47] considering getting the new IL-2 game coming out [02:47] 128 player online! [02:49] hamitron: get sc2 ;( [02:51] I always played C&C more [02:51] but lost interest in that series with all the DRM [03:25] coophi: finally! [03:25] oh hai [03:26] probably a good idea to register your nick now [03:26] if it isn't already [03:26] /msg nickserv help [03:27] told you it needed to drop the 'e' :P [03:28] I said yeah [03:28] *eye roll* [03:28] * HazRPG pokes hamitron, shauno to see if there is any activity [03:30] coophi: when was the last time your used irc? [03:31] coophi: in fact... what was the last client for irc you use to use dude? [03:31] lol LOOONG time ago [03:31] the name escapes me.. it was the javascript one for a-eng though [03:32] 8-) [03:32] i never used the client coz i was never logged into it when i was at home [03:32] heh [03:32] I use to use mIRC back in 1998 [03:37] coophi: do a whois on me [03:53] how does one go about getting a mask on irc again? (other than via tunnels, vps, etc) [04:37] hi [04:37] good morning! [04:38] mornin ^^ [04:41] szymon_g: sup dude [04:41] wassup ;) [04:41] hm... that unity is quite nice btw [04:42] i've installed it yesterday, seems to be ok [04:42] (apart from fact, that when i've resumed from hibernation, all side icons were gone) [04:42] still in alpha/beta [04:42] check to see if there's a bug :) [04:43] if not, file one! \o/ [04:44] hm... i didn't even know where to report it. anyway- it works fine now. and i thought Unity is stable now? /ubuntu 10.10/ [04:54] unity 2D is stable [04:55] Unity 3D (aka the one being created for narwal 11.04) isn't yet [04:55] when I say unity 2D, I mean the one that's been used on the netbook editions of ubuntu for a while [04:57] szymon_g: btw, bugs get filed here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity [04:58] if you look on there, unity is far from stable [04:58] slowly getting there though [05:03] szymon_g: does this sound about right: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/609472 [05:03] Ubuntu bug 609472 in unity (Ubuntu) "After resume, all the launcher icons are white boxes" [Medium,Triaged] [05:10] yeap, thats that [05:10] thanx HazRPG lubotu3 [05:10] hehe lubotu3 automatically just repeats any bug numbers to tell you what the bug is [05:11] try typing the bug number and you'll see what I mean [05:11] ... ;) [05:12] 609472 [05:12] ... :| [05:12] * szymon_g has to go to bed [05:12] se ya! [05:12] *see ya [05:28] hmm [05:28] #609472 [05:28] random... [05:32] mornin [05:36] yo ^^ [07:03] morning all [07:03] \o [07:03] I need to go trash my car now [07:04] sleepy time [07:21] AlanBell: trash it why? [07:22] also, mornin' guys :) [07:22] MartijnVdS: o/ [07:26] morning HazRPG [07:28] how's it going? [07:28] Just woke up.. reading some of Linus' rants on LKML [07:28] ("RAAAH ARM MAINTAINERS") [07:29] lol [07:29] HazRPG: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/3/17/492 (not family-safe, maybe) [07:29] (it _is_ a Linus rant) [07:33] xD [07:34] even linus himself gets pi**ed off ;) [07:34] HazRPG: often [07:34] heh [07:34] good reasons for I'm guessing though [07:35] yes, but there are other ways of getting your point across [07:35] its one thing to release your code, and its another thing to release and find many people trying to screw it up [07:35] I agree though, but its funny xD [07:35] Shouting obscenities works.. but people will remember just the obscenities. [07:36] didn't realise you subbed to lkml [07:37] any reason for ? Or just generally nosey at what's happening in the community? [07:37] I don't [07:37] But some of those "shouting matches" get posted to reddit :) [07:37] ah [07:37] lol [07:38] is reddit actually any good? [07:38] shauno: http://i.imgur.com/z5cDb.jpg [07:39] HazRPG: it's a great time sink (beware) [07:39] every time I look at it, it just looks like another digg to me [07:39] oh dear [07:39] shauno: he awakens! [07:39] \o/ [07:40] guessing you weren't on the night shift last night then [07:44] But some of those "shouting matches" get posted to reddit :) [07:44] uhm [07:44] http://hurrdurr.it/#url=http://www.ubuntu-uk.org [07:45] upnp support in rhythmbox sucks [07:47] MartijnVdS: this is better :) http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/albuquerque [07:48] Jibadeeha: s/upnp support in // [07:48] ftfy [07:48] lol [07:49] HazRPG: I know the lyrics. All of them. [07:49] MartijnVdS: :P same [07:49] Hey mom, what's up with all the sauerkraut? [07:49] wacka wacka doo doo yeahhhhhhhhh [07:52] MartijnVdS: You got any jelly doughnuts? [07:52] HazRPG: No, we're out of jelly doughnuts. [07:53] that'd explain why it's doritos for breakfast [07:53] MartijnVdS: You got any Bavarian cream filled doughnuts? [07:54] shauno: \o/ [07:54] HazRPG: No, we're out of Bavarian cream filled doughnuts! [07:54] shauno: I had the half a burger for breakfast from last night, technically... lol [07:55] MartijnVdS: Cinnamon rolls? [07:55] No [07:55] MartijnVdS: apple fritters!? [07:55] * MartijnVdS goes check [07:57] :P [07:58] "Besides, now he's got a really cute nickname: Torsoboy" [08:05] everyone Jamming later? [08:06] Jamming? [08:06] global jamming [08:06] and I hope you like jamming too [08:07] *insert bob marley song here* [08:12] AlanBell: hmm, is there something for the whole day? (looks at email again) [08:13] there are sessions at various random times [08:14] but I think we will take a pirates code approach to the timetable [08:14] tis more of a guideline than an actual law. Arrrrrrr [08:14] heh :P [08:14] just lookin' at the 10AM stuff [08:15] I think I have most of that down by now [08:15] minus maybe the wiki personal page [08:15] yeah, we put that one up front to help people get started [08:15] oh, well perfect, you can do that bit then [08:15] I keep meaning to! [08:15] I just never know how to describe myself >_< [08:16] or etc [08:18] fine, getting over hurdles like that is *exactly* what this is about [08:51] willy_1977: you'll need to drag yourself into the main channel ("Global Jam") otherwise no one will here you [08:51] oh, has it connected now... [08:52] it was doing it's thing this end for ages ;) [08:52] thanks HazRPG [08:52] willy_1977: no problem :) [08:52] nope client crash :( [08:52] willy_1977: alt. you can double-click on "global jam" and it'll do the same effect :) [08:53] some weird stuff going on here, so will reboot and be back shortly ;) [08:53] AlanBell: isn't there a way to make a channel the default one? [08:53] willy_1977: no problem :) [08:55] AlanBell: I'm not sure how you've set it up, but this is one way of doing it: http://mumble.sourceforge.net/MurmurCL#Setting_a_default_channel [09:09] AlanBell: Just found an alternative to that method, depending on how you've setup mumble (either to use sqlite as the database, etc)... you just need to change/add the records in the "config" table as: server_id = 1; key = "defaultchannel"; value = id_number_of_channel (should be 0); [09:10] I use an sqlite browser to add/remove stuff in mine, however I'm sure there's a terminal tool for the same job [09:11] just food for thought, since I'm sure the whole channel thing might be confusing to some [09:18] heh, I'm use to doing this in windows [09:19] managed to find the database though, its found in /var/lib/mumble-server/mumble-server.sqlite [09:23] don't you hate it when you've had something working perfectly well and then on the day when you need it... [09:24] yup! [09:24] mumble - All I have is an unresponsive app after hitting connect (I've tried both hostnames) [09:25] ok, time to think logically I guess :) [09:25] check the port number :) [09:25] hang on, it says your in channel though [09:26] hmmmm... [09:26] did you hear anything just then? [09:26] nope... [09:27] port number is: 64738 [09:27] btw [09:28] Should have gone now? [09:28] yeah [09:29] hmm interesting mumble was going fine but the gui is getting hung up on itself... [09:29] try removing it and installing it again [09:30] will do - next on the list... it seems to get caught up when trying to sort SSL out... [09:31] didn't realise it did SSL stuff [09:32] willy_1977: might also be worth adding the ppa for the latest version of mumble (1.2.3) which is the version I'm running on [09:33] I *think* this is going to install 1.2.3-1ubuntu6 (mumble) [09:33] hmm [09:34] didn't realise they'd updated it on the ubuntu repo [09:34] the one I'm rolling with is 1.2.3-1~ppa~maverick1 (mumble) [09:34] although both sound similar [09:35] true, I'll see if this works... if it does I may have been a complete numpty... more to follow on that if so :) [09:35] :P [09:36] right I'm going to scavenge some food from the kitchen somewhere [09:36] bbl [09:36] kk [09:36] oh, btw, says your on the server again (just thought I'd let you know) [09:37] thanks... flipping thing... [09:59] morning all [10:07] morning, still having mumble issues here :( [10:11] just restarting the mumble server to give it more memory and a default channel [10:11] Ok, I think I'm having issues with my firewall etc. tbh. [10:11] ok, we can get that sorted [10:12] *routers firewall [10:12] some noncey firmware on there that I haven't figured out yet... [10:12] * danfish will be joining in later - the normal Saturday morning kids stuff first ;) [10:13] willy_1977: ok, so you need to get outbound TCP access to the default mumble port [10:14] AlanBell: yep, so far I can open a set range of ports e.g. ssh, telnet etc. but there doesn't seem to be anywhere to add services / ports :( [10:14] I'm not quite sure what's changed because as you know it was working the other night. [10:14] willy_1977: on most domestic routers outbound ports should be open anyway [10:14] :/ [10:15] ah, ok, so is it just outbound it needs then? [10:18] yup [10:18] hmmm maybe then my suspicions on firewall were incorrect [10:18] port 64738, but it shouldn't be an issue [10:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HazRPG [10:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LeeWilliams is me... ;) [10:23] \o/ [10:25] yeah I've been meaning to ask what does \o/ mean then? [10:26] willy_1977, What version of ubuntu are you using? [10:26] person waving both hands in the air [10:26] o/ <- waving one hand [10:26] AlanBell: thought as much [10:26] Daviey: 11.04 [10:27] willy_1977, Ah... are you fully up to date on updates? [10:27] thought I was, will check now. [10:28] I found mumble unusable for months under Natty... only recently has it worked better with the UI. [10:28] * willy_1977 fetches coat [10:29] I'm beginning to doubt myself a little then :) but I could've sworn it was working on 11.04 the other night... [10:29] There was a known, "minimize and lose it forever" issue aswell. [10:36] jamespage, here for the JAM? :) [10:37] * willy_1977 we're jammin' [10:37] jamespage1, here for the JAM? :) [10:37] oops, did I break the server? [10:38] AlanBell: seems that way! [10:46] I've just had a automatic bug report come through when exiting the update-manager gui , it appears to have been logged before is there anyway I can attach my info to that bug, i.e. does the auto reporting tool store it's reports and if so where? [10:55] Hi all, we are now moving on to sorting out the wiki pages http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ListOfUKTeamPages [10:55] good morning everyone. [10:56] sorry i am late. [10:56] brobostigon: good morning :) [10:56] HazRPG: goodmorning, :) [10:56] let mefire mumble up. [10:57] sure :) [10:58] Update my wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HazRPG [11:10] HazRPG: You should add "Future plans for Ubuntu: Remove unity" [11:10] xD [11:14] MartijnVdS: or, replace with gnome3. :) [11:15] brobostigon: or that. [11:15] For now, I'm sticking to classic [11:15] ♥ panels [11:17] :) [11:33] * jacobw likes Unity === gary_ is now known as Guest39961 [11:38] agrees ♥ panels :) [11:38] classic ftw [11:41] HazRPG: Stuff you have done -- set up an IPv6 tunnel ;) [11:41] :P [11:41] ta :) [11:42] setup ipv6 routing. [11:42] that as well [11:42] setup a radvd,whatever description fits. [11:42] addr advertising ? [11:43] yeah :) [11:45] updated, how does that look :) [11:54] HazRPG: let me check, oneminute. [11:59] HazRPG: looks good, :) [12:00] brobostigon: thanks :) [12:02] HazRPG: :) [12:02] HazRPG: youre welcome. [12:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre/+bug/743486 [12:14] Ubuntu bug 743486 in calibre "library/server/ doesn't listen on ipv6" [Undecided,Fix released] [12:17] HazRPG, Have you undergone the HE 'tasks'? [12:18] Daviey: erm...? The tests? [12:18] if so, then yeah :) [12:19] HazRPG, http://ipv6.he.net/certification/ [12:19] I certainly have :) [12:19] http://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=hazrpg [12:29] Daviey: guessing you saw my blog post :) [12:30] HazRPG, yeah.. glad to see you used HE, rather than Sixxs [12:30] Daviey: I tried Sixxs a year or two ago, and well... I didn't like it, simply put [12:32] even tried miredo (ubuntu) and teredo (win machine) a few years back [12:32] So sixxs still have the uptime rules? [12:33] I think so [12:33] HazRPG, I really disliked sixxs for being complete asses. :) [12:33] * Daviey explains verbally. [12:37] sixxs dont have uptime rules with the way i connect ti them, [12:41] Yay, new laptop arrived and a live usb of natty works nicely on it [12:42] anyone around that's worked in translations for 3+ cycles? [12:42] Daviey: apparently tee's go out in batches I've been informed [12:42] ahh [12:42] HazRPG, I guess i should do my glue stuff then. [12:42] Daviey: indeed :) [12:47] hi from u^3 in Manchester [12:47] penguin42: howdy :D [12:48] Now to create recovery discs for win7, free up some space & install ubuntu [12:49] penguin42: U³ [12:49] Not U96 or U235 [12:49] DJones: hurrah \o/ [12:49] HazRPG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwc0shJ2aYc [12:50] MartijnVdS: that is random xD [12:50] No, that's U96 :) [12:53] Daviey: hopefully my blog post will help some others curious about ipv6 [13:11] * willy1977 is just setting a few more things up... [13:20] \o/ [13:20] for vnc n stuff [13:22] have got further it's asking me for a password for registered users? [13:22] *mumble I mean :) [13:22] hmm [13:23] as far as I know... there isn't one [13:23] agreed, there isnt. [13:23] what's the url for the mumble server then? in case I've got the wrong one? [13:23] mumble.libertus.co.uk [13:24] port 64738 [13:36] http://virt-manager.et.redhat.com/page/StorageManagement [13:39] Almost ready to install ubuntu, should I go with 32 or 64 bit & 10.10 or 11.04 beta, decisions, decisions ...., its nice to have to make decisions like this [13:41] DJones, probably 10.10 but you'll probably want to reinstall 11.04 in a month's time [13:42] sagaci: Just been trying 11.04, unity is going to take some getting used to [13:44] sagaci: I can do some bug testing as well, although I could do 10.10 and then try 11.04 in a vm [13:44] DJones, you can fallback to gnome 2.32.x [13:46] I've seen that, must admit I normally install/update once they hit beta, so I'll probably go with natty as the main install, now I've got a decent machine it'll be good to see what its capeable of [13:48] just expect hitches [13:48] HazRPG, yeah, it was a good blog post! [13:52] anyone else want to come and join in our Natty install over VNC? [13:52] vncviewer libertushost1.libertus.co.uk:5906 [13:53] password is ubuntuuk [13:53] and join the mumble thing to talk about it as we go [13:53] the idea is to file bugs against the installer [13:55] I had a problem with the install when I checked the "Install this third-party software" - install did not complete [14:32] next session is at 16:00 going through the Natty install with the screenreader option and filing bugs [14:44] * BigRedS claims that inistence upon swap partition is a bug [14:47] does it actually demand one now? I thought it used to just pop up a warning making sure you know what you're doing [14:51] yeah, it warns, but it makes it sound like it's a terribly bad idea [14:51] is it a terribly bad idea? [14:51] yes [14:51] :) [14:51] I think it should just ask how big a swap file you want somewhere along the way. I completely don't get the obsession with separate partitions for swap [14:52] especially since we don't put anything else in separate partitions by default, and swap gains the least from being on its own [14:52] where would you put the swap file? [14:52] ahhh... swap partition/file = virtual memory I see! [14:52] popey: / [14:52] Personally, probably just in /. That's where mine are [14:53] the idea always was that swap actually does gain a lot from being one contiguous region [14:53] I don't know if thre's a fhs opinion on it or something [14:54] swapd could be an interesting option one day. it doesn't seem to react fast enough when things go wrong tho [14:54] shauno: it is as a file, too; it's a contiguous file. [14:55] it's probably still the case that swap on a separate partition is faster; I'm also not sure the magic in hibernation [14:55] penguin42: its not [14:56] Popular opinion seems to be that on a separate opinion 'makes sense' for some reson, as far as easily seeing what's going on [14:57] But I think that, especially for new desktop users, everything-in-one-partition would be a handy thing to be able to do [14:57] (and I suspect the seeing what's going on argument is based on the tradition of having a swap partiton) [14:57] it does make sense for people who upgrade RAM [14:58] who want/have to resize their swap space [14:58] although, i believe they're toying with the idea of hiding the hibernate option entirely in natty [14:58] because it's slow and rarely works [14:58] I don't think I've ever resized a swap file, I suspect it's non-trivial (but the non-trivia can be done all behind the scenes) [14:59] yeah, resuming from hibernate takes longer than a cold boot [14:59] hibernation is for bears... [14:59] hah [14:59] hahaha [14:59] as long as the swap file doesn't dynamicly grow/shrink (except in explicit cases like memory size changing) i'v always felt that it makes more sense over a fixed partition [15:00] no matter the OS it's just painful in my experience anyhow... [15:01] yeah, I thought it was unique to Linux, but then I tried it on a windows box and that was even worse [15:01] I was happy :) [15:01] i have to use an sd card as a swap parition on this netbook, because you can't change the partition layout in order to create a swap partition inside it :( [15:01] * BigRedS wanders off to file a wishlist bug [15:03] argh. One day I'll get the hang of launchpad [15:04] is Ubiquity the name of the installer? [15:05]