| andrew | bts3685|vps: Thanks. I lost the game. | 04:24 |
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| andrew | darn screen sessions with backlog | 04:24 |
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| MutantTurkey | there is a war going on for your mind, if you are thinking you are winning. | 05:06 |
| andrew | looks like I'm losing that as well | 05:07 |
| ssweeny | unless you're thinking of the game like bts3685|vps | 05:07 |
| MutantTurkey | I was not thinking of that game, I was reminded of a song by Flobots called "we are winning" from the album "fight with tools". An excellent record if i do say so myself. | 05:08 |
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| InHisName | I have a mind, thank you very much. | 05:36 |
| InHisName | I am NOT loosing that! | 05:36 |
| InHisName | However every birth day I seem to loose a bit of something . . . . . . | 05:36 |
| InHisName | a piece of my . . . . youth | 05:37 |
| jackson | o/ | 05:38 |
| InHisName | I'd easily agree to a million losses of 'the game' to exchange for one single win of a piece of lost youth. | 05:39 |
| bts3685|vps | effing hell you guys. it's true. screen + irssi is like a timebomb for the Game. which i just lost. | 07:38 |
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| ssweeny | ChinnoDog, you never said if you actually wanted a diaspora invite | 18:31 |
| ChinnoDog | I wouldn't know what to do with it | 19:27 |
| ChinnoDog | Is it FB without the proprietaryness? | 19:27 |
| ssweeny | more or less | 19:44 |
| ssweeny | it's reminiscent of fb before it got so annoying | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | it's facebook but without all the people you signed up to facebook to communicate with ;) | 19:47 |
| ssweeny | exactly | 19:49 |
| ssweeny | those people are what made it annoying | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | everyone on diaspora knows how to communicate with you properly so you don't even need to log into it ever | 19:50 |
| ssweeny | the perfect social network :) | 19:51 |
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| ChinnoDog | pleia2: I never have to log into it? | 20:39 |
| ChinnoDog | So I sign up and then forget it ever existed in the first place? | 20:40 |
| ssweeny | yep | 20:41 |
| ssweeny | tbh that's probably what i'll end up doing | 20:41 |
| ChinnoDog | What is the point of that? | 20:42 |
| ChinnoDog | I already don't use identi.ca | 20:42 |
| rmg51 | I'm way ahead of all of you..... | 20:45 |
| rmg51 | I don't use any of those things :-D | 20:45 |
| ChinnoDog | It isn't even out of alpha | 20:49 |
| ChinnoDog | It only exists because a few people were dissapointed in Facebook's privacy policy, and they hardly represent the majority | 20:49 |
| * ChinnoDog thinks it is destined for mediocrity | 20:53 | |
| ChinnoDog | Anyone need any 2gb hard drives? | 22:09 |
| anduril | ... | 22:10 |
| anduril | do you mean thumb drives? | 22:10 |
| anduril | cause otherwise 0_o | 22:10 |
| ChinnoDog | hehe | 22:21 |
| ChinnoDog | You could put an adapter on it, but it wouldn't fit in your pocket very well | 22:21 |
| ChinnoDog | At least if it was on your keychain you wouldn't be able to lose it very easily. | 22:21 |
| ChinnoDog | Hardware goes into my closet to die.. this is so sad | 22:22 |
| anduril | doubt it'd work for very long those old drives werent very shock proof | 22:22 |
| ChinnoDog | They are Quantum drives too. Not very reliable. | 22:22 |
| ChinnoDog | I have 4 2gb, 2 20gb, and a 18gb 68-pin SCSI drive | 22:24 |
| ChinnoDog | I should probably zero them out before I chuck them. | 22:25 |
| ChinnoDog | I've taken on a burden instead of making use of old parts | 22:25 |
| anduril | or smash em | 22:25 |
| ChinnoDog | too much wokr | 22:25 |
| ChinnoDog | work | 22:25 |
| ChinnoDog | I have an external USB to IDE adapter | 22:26 |
| ChinnoDog | no external SCSI adapter though | 22:30 |
| ChinnoDog | I might have to harvest its magnets for my refridgerator | 22:30 |
| * ChinnoDog writes some zeros | 22:34 | |
| ChinnoDog | This must be the slowest 20gb hard disk on earth | 22:52 |
| ChinnoDog | No worries here. No one will have the patience to ever look for data on it. | 22:52 |
| InHisName | So izzat where you'll stuff your pr0n ? | 22:55 |
| ChinnoDog | It isn't fast enough for pr0n | 22:56 |
| anduril | mm cold pizza | 22:56 |
| waltman | http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseywest/5581885011 | 22:59 |
| PennBot | Title: It's Happy Hour, Damnit. | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com) | 22:59 |
| bts3685|vps | ChinnoDog: zeroing out doesn't prevent recovery from things like foremost or testdisk. might want to get yourself some thermite insteaad | 23:20 |
| ChinnoDog | bts3685|vps: Reference one verified report of data recovered from a modern hard drive that has been wiped | 23:24 |
| bts3685|vps | that's like saying "reference one verified report of mysql serving requests"; it's status quo. http://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/storage/8257-how-to-recover-lost-files-after-you-accidentally-wipe-your-hard-drive | 23:25 |
| PennBot | Title: How to recover lost files after you accidentally wipe your hard drive | Linux.com (at www.linux.com) | 23:25 |
| ChinnoDog | That is about how to reconstruct data that is already there | 23:26 |
| anduril | there's a difference between recovering deleted files and recovering information thats been wiped with multiple passes of zeros | 23:26 |
| bts3685|vps | nope | 23:26 |
| ChinnoDog | That is not recovery of data after the disk has been erased | 23:26 |
| ChinnoDog | You only need one pass of zeros on a modern disk | 23:27 |
| ChinnoDog | No one has ever recovered data from a modern disk below the level of what was written | 23:27 |
| anduril | three passes doesnt take that long :) | 23:27 |
| ChinnoDog | That is like the argument for taking vitamin suppliments. It doesn't cost much, no one knows if you need it, might as well do it | 23:27 |
| anduril | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_remanence like always wikipedia has some decent links about this stuff | 23:31 |
| PennBot | Title: Data remanence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) | 23:31 |
| anduril | I thought 3 passes was the DoD level but apparently it was 7 but now they require physical destruction or degaussing instead | 23:32 |
| ChinnoDog | That is theoretical | 23:33 |
| ChinnoDog | It was much easier to do on old hard disks with low density platters | 23:33 |
| ChinnoDog | Even then it isn't that easy | 23:33 |
| bts3685|vps | huh. lookit that, as long as the drive is over 15GB and modern ATA, one pass suffices | 23:33 |
| bts3685|vps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_remanence#Feasibility_of_recovering_overwritten_data | 23:34 |
| PennBot | Title: Data remanence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) | 23:34 |
| ChinnoDog | yup | 23:34 |
| bts3685|vps | i wish they mentioned which specific ATA spec though. prolly ATA-II? | 23:35 |
| ChinnoDog | See that, I could have just save y'all hours of sitting around waiting for disks to be erased | 23:36 |
| ChinnoDog | Also, this will help kill the dd suspense: http://fosswire.com/post/2007/08/command-line-progress-bar-a-progress-bar-for-dd/ | 23:36 |
| PennBot | Title: Command line progress bar - a progress bar for dd | FOSSwire (at fosswire.com) | 23:36 |
| bts3685|vps | know about that, already... i usually use DBAN (and overwrite with randomized data rather than zero-ing out), which has a nice and purty ncurses(?) interface with progress bar and all | 23:37 |
| bts3685|vps | i can't remember if dban iso runs in freedos image or uses a tiny linux kernel... | 23:38 |
| bts3685|vps | or shred/wipe | 23:38 |
| bts3685|vps | shred should be a part of coreutils (i'm on ver. 8.10), and wipe is at wipe.sourceforge.net | 23:40 |
| bts3685|vps | which reminds me, rm was updatd to prevent accidental -rf /'s. but i wonder what effect dd if=/dev/zero of=`mount|grep " / "|awk '{print $1}'|grep dev` bs=512 will do... | 23:47 |
| bts3685|vps | time to load up an inconsequential VM! :D | 23:48 |
| ChinnoDog | Wiping would be a lot more convenient if it was built into the hdd firmware | 23:57 |
| bts3685|vps | hahahaha. whooooo boy. | 23:58 |
| bts3685|vps | so i have good news and bad news. | 23:58 |
| bts3685|vps | good news is that the rm -rf / obfuscation i mentioned above using mount, grep, etc. TOTALLY works. | 23:58 |
| bts3685|vps | the bad news is that it totally works. | 23:59 |
| * bts3685|vps goes off to #ubuntu to test it out | 23:59 | |
| ChinnoDog | There isn't going to be any protection from you working around the warnings for noobs | 23:59 |
| bts3685|vps | "HOW TO HACK WIRELESS! is actually a script built into ubuntu! dd if=/dev/zero..." | 23:59 |
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