[04:24] bts3685|vps: Thanks. I lost the game. [04:24] darn screen sessions with backlog === IdleOne is now known as WolfOne === jackson_ is now known as jackson [05:06] there is a war going on for your mind, if you are thinking you are winning. [05:07] looks like I'm losing that as well [05:07] unless you're thinking of the game like bts3685|vps [05:08] I was not thinking of that game, I was reminded of a song by Flobots called "we are winning" from the album "fight with tools". An excellent record if i do say so myself. === WolfOne is now known as IdleOne [05:36] I have a mind, thank you very much. [05:36] I am NOT loosing that! [05:36] However every birth day I seem to loose a bit of something . . . . . . [05:37] a piece of my . . . . youth [05:38] o/ [05:39] I'd easily agree to a million losses of 'the game' to exchange for one single win of a piece of lost youth. [07:38] effing hell you guys. it's true. screen + irssi is like a timebomb for the Game. which i just lost. === anduril___ is now known as anduril === jackson_ is now known as jackson === anduril___ is now known as anduril [18:31] ChinnoDog, you never said if you actually wanted a diaspora invite [19:27] I wouldn't know what to do with it [19:27] Is it FB without the proprietaryness? [19:44] more or less [19:44] it's reminiscent of fb before it got so annoying [19:47] it's facebook but without all the people you signed up to facebook to communicate with ;) [19:49] exactly [19:50] those people are what made it annoying [19:50] everyone on diaspora knows how to communicate with you properly so you don't even need to log into it ever [19:51] the perfect social network :) === anduril___ is now known as anduril [20:39] pleia2: I never have to log into it? [20:40] So I sign up and then forget it ever existed in the first place? [20:41] yep [20:41] tbh that's probably what i'll end up doing [20:42] What is the point of that? [20:42] I already don't use identi.ca [20:45] I'm way ahead of all of you..... [20:45] I don't use any of those things :-D [20:49] It isn't even out of alpha [20:49] It only exists because a few people were dissapointed in Facebook's privacy policy, and they hardly represent the majority [20:53] * ChinnoDog thinks it is destined for mediocrity [22:09] Anyone need any 2gb hard drives? [22:10] ... [22:10] do you mean thumb drives? [22:10] cause otherwise 0_o [22:21] hehe [22:21] You could put an adapter on it, but it wouldn't fit in your pocket very well [22:21] At least if it was on your keychain you wouldn't be able to lose it very easily. [22:22] Hardware goes into my closet to die.. this is so sad [22:22] doubt it'd work for very long those old drives werent very shock proof [22:22] They are Quantum drives too. Not very reliable. [22:24] I have 4 2gb, 2 20gb, and a 18gb 68-pin SCSI drive [22:25] I should probably zero them out before I chuck them. [22:25] I've taken on a burden instead of making use of old parts [22:25] or smash em [22:25] too much wokr [22:25] work [22:26] I have an external USB to IDE adapter [22:30] no external SCSI adapter though [22:30] I might have to harvest its magnets for my refridgerator [22:34] * ChinnoDog writes some zeros [22:52] This must be the slowest 20gb hard disk on earth [22:52] No worries here. No one will have the patience to ever look for data on it. [22:55] So izzat where you'll stuff your pr0n ? [22:56] It isn't fast enough for pr0n [22:56] mm cold pizza [22:59] http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseywest/5581885011 [22:59] Title: It's Happy Hour, Damnit. | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com) [23:20] ChinnoDog: zeroing out doesn't prevent recovery from things like foremost or testdisk. might want to get yourself some thermite insteaad [23:24] bts3685|vps: Reference one verified report of data recovered from a modern hard drive that has been wiped [23:25] that's like saying "reference one verified report of mysql serving requests"; it's status quo. http://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/storage/8257-how-to-recover-lost-files-after-you-accidentally-wipe-your-hard-drive [23:25] Title: How to recover lost files after you accidentally wipe your hard drive | Linux.com (at www.linux.com) [23:26] That is about how to reconstruct data that is already there [23:26] there's a difference between recovering deleted files and recovering information thats been wiped with multiple passes of zeros [23:26] nope [23:26] That is not recovery of data after the disk has been erased [23:27] You only need one pass of zeros on a modern disk [23:27] No one has ever recovered data from a modern disk below the level of what was written [23:27] three passes doesnt take that long :) [23:27] That is like the argument for taking vitamin suppliments. It doesn't cost much, no one knows if you need it, might as well do it [23:31] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_remanence like always wikipedia has some decent links about this stuff [23:31] Title: Data remanence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [23:32] I thought 3 passes was the DoD level but apparently it was 7 but now they require physical destruction or degaussing instead [23:33] That is theoretical [23:33] It was much easier to do on old hard disks with low density platters [23:33] Even then it isn't that easy [23:33] huh. lookit that, as long as the drive is over 15GB and modern ATA, one pass suffices [23:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_remanence#Feasibility_of_recovering_overwritten_data [23:34] Title: Data remanence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [23:34] yup [23:35] i wish they mentioned which specific ATA spec though. prolly ATA-II? [23:36] See that, I could have just save y'all hours of sitting around waiting for disks to be erased [23:36] Also, this will help kill the dd suspense: http://fosswire.com/post/2007/08/command-line-progress-bar-a-progress-bar-for-dd/ [23:36] Title: Command line progress bar - a progress bar for dd | FOSSwire (at fosswire.com) [23:37] know about that, already... i usually use DBAN (and overwrite with randomized data rather than zero-ing out), which has a nice and purty ncurses(?) interface with progress bar and all [23:38] i can't remember if dban iso runs in freedos image or uses a tiny linux kernel... [23:38] or shred/wipe [23:40] shred should be a part of coreutils (i'm on ver. 8.10), and wipe is at wipe.sourceforge.net [23:47] which reminds me, rm was updatd to prevent accidental -rf /'s. but i wonder what effect dd if=/dev/zero of=`mount|grep " / "|awk '{print $1}'|grep dev` bs=512 will do... [23:48] time to load up an inconsequential VM! :D [23:57] Wiping would be a lot more convenient if it was built into the hdd firmware [23:58] hahahaha. whooooo boy. [23:58] so i have good news and bad news. [23:58] good news is that the rm -rf / obfuscation i mentioned above using mount, grep, etc. TOTALLY works. [23:59] the bad news is that it totally works. [23:59] * bts3685|vps goes off to #ubuntu to test it out [23:59] There isn't going to be any protection from you working around the warnings for noobs [23:59] "HOW TO HACK WIRELESS! is actually a script built into ubuntu! dd if=/dev/zero..."