[04:24] <andrew> bts3685|vps: Thanks. I lost the game.
[04:24] <andrew> darn screen sessions with backlog
[05:06] <MutantTurkey> there is a war going on for your mind, if you are thinking you are winning.
[05:07] <andrew> looks like I'm losing that as well
[05:07] <ssweeny> unless you're thinking of the game like bts3685|vps
[05:08] <MutantTurkey> I was not thinking of that game, I was reminded of a song by Flobots called "we are winning" from the album "fight with tools". An excellent record if i do say so myself.
[05:36] <InHisName> I have a mind, thank you very much.
[05:36] <InHisName> I am NOT loosing that!
[05:36] <InHisName> However every birth day I seem to loose a bit of something . .   .    .     .     .
[05:37] <InHisName> a piece of my    .   .   .   .   youth
[05:38] <jackson> o/
[05:39] <InHisName> I'd easily agree to a million losses of 'the game' to exchange for one single win of a piece of lost youth.
[07:38] <bts3685|vps> effing hell you guys. it's true. screen + irssi is like a timebomb for the Game. which i just lost.
[18:31] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog, you never said if you actually wanted a diaspora invite
[19:27] <ChinnoDog> I wouldn't know what to do with it
[19:27] <ChinnoDog> Is it FB without the proprietaryness?
[19:44] <ssweeny> more or less
[19:44] <ssweeny> it's reminiscent of fb before it got so annoying
[19:47] <pleia2> it's facebook but without all the people you signed up to facebook to communicate with ;)
[19:49] <ssweeny> exactly
[19:50] <ssweeny> those people are what made it annoying
[19:50] <pleia2> everyone on diaspora knows how to communicate with you properly so you don't even need to log into it ever
[19:51] <ssweeny> the perfect social network :)
[20:39] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: I never have to log into it?
[20:40] <ChinnoDog> So I sign up and then forget it ever existed in the first place?
[20:41] <ssweeny> yep
[20:41] <ssweeny> tbh that's probably what i'll end up doing
[20:42] <ChinnoDog> What is the point of that?
[20:42] <ChinnoDog> I already don't use identi.ca
[20:45] <rmg51> I'm way ahead of all of you.....
[20:45] <rmg51> I don't use any of those things :-D
[20:49] <ChinnoDog> It isn't even out of alpha
[20:49] <ChinnoDog> It only exists because a few people were dissapointed in Facebook's privacy policy, and they hardly represent the majority
[20:53]  * ChinnoDog thinks it is destined for mediocrity
[22:09] <ChinnoDog> Anyone need any 2gb hard drives?
[22:10] <anduril> ...
[22:10] <anduril> do you mean thumb drives?
[22:10] <anduril> cause otherwise 0_o
[22:21] <ChinnoDog> hehe
[22:21] <ChinnoDog> You could put an adapter on it, but it wouldn't fit in your pocket very well
[22:21] <ChinnoDog> At least if it was on your keychain you wouldn't be able to lose it very easily.
[22:22] <ChinnoDog> Hardware goes into my closet to die.. this is so sad
[22:22] <anduril> doubt it'd work for very long those old drives werent very shock proof
[22:22] <ChinnoDog> They are Quantum drives too. Not very reliable.
[22:24] <ChinnoDog> I have 4 2gb, 2 20gb, and a 18gb 68-pin SCSI drive
[22:25] <ChinnoDog> I should probably zero them out before I chuck them.
[22:25] <ChinnoDog> I've taken on a burden instead of making use of old parts
[22:25] <anduril> or smash em
[22:25] <ChinnoDog> too much wokr
[22:25] <ChinnoDog> work
[22:26] <ChinnoDog> I have an external USB to IDE adapter
[22:30] <ChinnoDog> no external SCSI adapter though
[22:30] <ChinnoDog> I might have to harvest its magnets for my refridgerator
[22:34]  * ChinnoDog writes some zeros
[22:52] <ChinnoDog> This must be the slowest 20gb hard disk on earth
[22:52] <ChinnoDog> No worries here. No one will have the patience to ever look for data on it.
[22:55] <InHisName> So izzat where you'll stuff your pr0n ?
[22:56] <ChinnoDog> It isn't fast enough for pr0n
[22:56] <anduril> mm cold pizza
[22:59] <waltman> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseywest/5581885011
[22:59] <PennBot> Title: It's Happy Hour, Damnit. | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com)
[23:20] <bts3685|vps> ChinnoDog: zeroing out doesn't prevent recovery from things like foremost or testdisk. might want to get yourself some thermite insteaad
[23:24] <ChinnoDog> bts3685|vps: Reference one verified report of data recovered from a modern hard drive that has been wiped
[23:25] <bts3685|vps> that's like saying "reference one verified report of mysql serving requests"; it's status quo. http://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/storage/8257-how-to-recover-lost-files-after-you-accidentally-wipe-your-hard-drive
[23:25] <PennBot> Title: How to recover lost files after you accidentally wipe your hard drive | Linux.com (at www.linux.com)
[23:26] <ChinnoDog> That is about how to reconstruct data that is already there
[23:26] <anduril> there's a difference between recovering deleted files and recovering information thats been wiped with multiple passes of zeros
[23:26] <bts3685|vps> nope
[23:26] <ChinnoDog> That is not recovery of data after the disk has been erased
[23:27] <ChinnoDog> You only need one pass of zeros on a modern disk
[23:27] <ChinnoDog> No one has ever recovered data from a modern disk below the level of what was written
[23:27] <anduril> three passes doesnt take that long :)
[23:27] <ChinnoDog> That is like the argument for taking vitamin suppliments. It doesn't cost much, no one knows if you need it, might as well do it
[23:31] <anduril> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_remanence like always wikipedia has some decent links about this stuff
[23:31] <PennBot> Title: Data remanence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[23:32] <anduril> I thought 3 passes was the DoD level but apparently it was 7 but now they require physical destruction or degaussing instead
[23:33] <ChinnoDog> That is theoretical
[23:33] <ChinnoDog> It was much easier to do on old hard disks with low density platters
[23:33] <ChinnoDog> Even then it isn't that easy
[23:33] <bts3685|vps> huh. lookit that, as long as the drive is over 15GB and modern ATA, one pass suffices
[23:34] <bts3685|vps> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_remanence#Feasibility_of_recovering_overwritten_data
[23:34] <PennBot> Title: Data remanence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[23:34] <ChinnoDog> yup
[23:35] <bts3685|vps> i wish they mentioned which specific ATA spec though. prolly ATA-II?
[23:36] <ChinnoDog> See that, I could have just save y'all hours of sitting around waiting for disks to be erased
[23:36] <ChinnoDog> Also, this will help kill the dd suspense: http://fosswire.com/post/2007/08/command-line-progress-bar-a-progress-bar-for-dd/
[23:36] <PennBot> Title: Command line progress bar - a progress bar for dd | FOSSwire (at fosswire.com)
[23:37] <bts3685|vps> know about that, already... i usually use DBAN (and overwrite with randomized data rather than zero-ing out), which has a nice and purty ncurses(?) interface with progress bar and all
[23:38] <bts3685|vps> i can't remember if dban iso runs in freedos image or uses a tiny linux kernel...
[23:38] <bts3685|vps> or shred/wipe
[23:40] <bts3685|vps> shred should be a part of coreutils (i'm on ver. 8.10), and wipe is at wipe.sourceforge.net
[23:47] <bts3685|vps> which reminds me, rm was updatd to prevent accidental -rf /'s. but i wonder what effect dd if=/dev/zero of=`mount|grep " / "|awk '{print $1}'|grep dev` bs=512 will do...
[23:48] <bts3685|vps> time to load up an inconsequential VM! :D
[23:57] <ChinnoDog> Wiping would be a lot more convenient if it was built into the hdd firmware
[23:58] <bts3685|vps> hahahaha. whooooo boy.
[23:58] <bts3685|vps> so i have good news and bad news.
[23:58] <bts3685|vps> good news is that the rm -rf / obfuscation i mentioned above using mount, grep, etc. TOTALLY works.
[23:59] <bts3685|vps> the bad news is that it totally works.
[23:59]  * bts3685|vps goes off to #ubuntu to test it out
[23:59] <ChinnoDog> There isn't going to be any protection from you working around the warnings for noobs
[23:59] <bts3685|vps> "HOW TO HACK WIRELESS! is actually a script built into ubuntu! dd if=/dev/zero..."