[00:00] <thiebaude> :)
[00:00] <bandit63> :P
[00:00] <Suhn> 1.5GB 194mb 1.3GB 13% /recover
[00:00] <bandit63> Suhn, cd /
[00:00] <bandit63> umount /dev/sda1
[00:00] <voidmage> Does anybody know what happened to session restore?
[00:00] <bandit63> void as soon as my update finishs i will look
[00:00] <Suhn> sudo
[00:00] <Suhn> umount?
[00:00] <bandit63> sudo umount /dev/sda1
[00:01] <bandit63> sorry
[00:01] <Suhn> ok worked
[00:01] <Suhn> its no longer on df -h
[00:01] <bandit63> session restore for ubuntu or firefox voidmage ?
[00:02] <voidmage> bandit63: for ubuntu
[00:02] <bandit63> ok Suhn sudo mount /dev/sda2 /recover
[00:02] <voidmage> bandit63: gnome-session-properties doesn't even have the session save tab anymore
[00:02] <Suhn> worked
[00:02] <voidmage> bandit63: and whenever i login it just shows me a blank desktop
[00:02] <bandit63> voidmage, i will look in a min
[00:02] <bandit63> still updating
[00:03] <bandit63> suhn cd /recover
[00:03] <bandit63> cd ubuntu
[00:03] <Suhn> Worked
[00:03] <bandit63> ok good
[00:03] <bandit63> cd disks
[00:04] <bandit63> ls -l
[00:04] <bandit63> should be a root.disk
[00:04] <bandit63> file
[00:05] <bandit63> Suhn, you there?
[00:05] <Suhn> yea
[00:05] <bandit63> is there a root.disk file?
[00:05] <Suhn> its on root.disk
[00:05] <Suhn> yup
[00:05] <bandit63> ok type this sudo mkdir /recover1
[00:06] <bandit63> sudo mount ./root.disk /recover1
[00:06] <Suhn> ye
[00:06] <bandit63> then sudo nautilus
[00:06] <voidmage> bandit63: great. it somehow deleted my saved sessions.
[00:06] <Suhn> brought up a windows
[00:06] <bandit63> what saved session info did it delete?
[00:06] <Suhn> and GtK-WARNINGS in terminal
[00:07] <bandit63> Suhn, good now look at the left column is /recover1 listed?
[00:07] <voidmage> bandit63: everything in ~/.config/session-state and ~/.config/gnome-session/saved-session
[00:07] <voidmage> so, everything
[00:07] <Suhn> no
[00:07] <Suhn> root, Desktop. File System Network and Trash
[00:08] <bandit63> voidmage, i dont know whats included in those files
[00:08] <bandit63> again when its down updating i will look at mine
[00:08] <voidmage> bandit63: the second one has all your programs you left open. the first one has everything those had open
[00:08] <voidmage> so for example, in nautilus all your open tabs
[00:08] <voidmage> or gedit all your open files
[00:08] <bandit63> ahhh i never used that feature
[00:09] <voidmage> i hope i'm not the only one that used that
[00:09] <voidmage> :|
[00:09] <bandit63> i will have to look at how to enable with natty
[00:09] <voidmage> brb <s>ragequitting</s> restarting
[00:09] <Suhn> natty lite
[00:09] <bandit63> Suhn, click on filesystem
[00:09] <Suhn> k
[00:09] <bandit63> then look for recover1
[00:10] <voidmage> nope, did it again
[00:10] <voidmage> blank desktop
[00:10] <Suhn> nothing in recover1
[00:10] <bandit63> grumble
[00:10] <Suhn> and it brings up more GtK warnings in terminal
[00:10] <bandit63> when you typed in sudo mount ./root.disk /recover1 what did it say?
[00:11] <Suhn> i dont belive i typed that
[00:11] <bandit63> close nautilus
[00:11] <Suhn> k
[00:11] <bandit63> hit ctrl+c
[00:11] <Suhn> k
[00:11] <bandit63> ls -l
[00:11] <Suhn> got my path back
[00:11] <bandit63> does it still show root.disk?
[00:11] <Suhn> yes
[00:12] <bandit63> ok type in sudo mount ./root.disk /recover1
[00:12] <Suhn> now nautilus again?
[00:12] <bandit63> no
[00:12] <bandit63> type in df -h
[00:13] <bandit63> see if /root.disk is listed or something like that
[00:13] <Suhn> sda2 is mounted to recover
[00:13] <bandit63> you could type mount to look as well
[00:13] <Suhn> root.disk is not on there
[00:13] <Suhn> wait
[00:13] <Suhn> theres an error
[00:13] <voidmage> bandit63: oh ,it was removed intentionally
[00:13] <voidmage> :|
[00:13] <Suhn> ... is not a block device
[00:13] <voidmage>     debian/patches/06_nuke_session_saving.patch: (added)
[00:13] <voidmage>     - remove saved session handling: it's broken right now with multiple
[00:13] <voidmage>       sessions and should get a proper upstream refactoring (discussions still
[00:13] <voidmage>       ongoing)
[00:13] <voidmage>     - remove the option in the gnome-session-properties as well
[00:13] <Suhn> maybe try -o loop?
[00:13] <voidmage> whoops, lines
[00:14] <bandit63> voidmage, sick of things getting removed how about you?
[00:14] <bandit63> suhn yes try sudo mount -o loop ./root.disk /recover1
[00:14] <voidmage> bandit63: but that's my favorite part!
[00:14] <voidmage> i mean yes
[00:14] <voidmage> i am
[00:15] <bandit63> voidmage, me 2
[00:15] <Kurdistan> hey :) the release is not many days left
[00:15] <Suhn> k
[00:15] <voidmage> i don't even know if this is on gnome 3 or what
[00:15] <voidmage> so if it will auto suspend my laptop when i close it and there's nothing i can do about it
[00:15] <bandit63> i am not trying to talk about all the hard work thats goin into it
[00:15] <Suhn> dev/loop1
[00:15] <Suhn> is not mounted to recover1
[00:15] <bandit63> Suhn, try ls /recover1
[00:16] <mrdeb> well, this seems well now
[00:16] <Suhn> k
[00:16] <voidmage> bug 703653
[00:16] <mrdeb> if you remove indicator applet to remvoe maximus, gnoem si back to normal
[00:16] <bandit63> Suhn,  did it list any files?
[00:16] <Suhn> bandit63: i get a list of stuff bin boot cdrom
[00:16] <bandit63> cool
[00:17] <bandit63> ok now sudo nautilus
[00:17] <Suhn> :/
[00:17] <bandit63> what?
[00:17] <Suhn> brought up the thing again
[00:17] <bandit63> good
[00:17] <bandit63> dont worry about the errors
[00:17] <Suhn> k
[00:17] <Suhn> file system>recovery1?
[00:18] <bandit63> yes
[00:18] <Suhn> YEY
[00:18] <bandit63> you see files?
[00:18] <Suhn> yea
[00:18] <Suhn> idk where my desktop stuff is tho
[00:18] <bandit63> how about a home folder?
[00:18] <bandit63> click on home
[00:18] <Suhn> ther it is
[00:19] <Suhn> :D
[00:19] <Suhn> :D
[00:19] <bandit63> ok
[00:19] <bandit63> you need to turnonhiddenfiles as well
[00:19] <voidmage> Oh. great. this patch i pointed to has no bug attached to it
[00:19] <delac_> bandit63: you are pretty patient man, bandit :) good job
[00:19] <Suhn> I agree
[00:19] <bandit63> ty delac_
[00:19] <Suhn> tyvm for helping a noob
[00:19] <bandit63> Suhn, click onit prefrences ed
[00:20] <bandit63> on edit prefrencese and click the box that says show gidden files
[00:20] <Suhn> Shouldnt i just drag the stuff i need to my flash drive?
[00:20] <bandit63> i would turn on hidden files first
[00:20] <bandit63> on edit prefrencese and click the box that says show hidden files
[00:20] <Suhn> i dont have any hidden files
[00:20] <Suhn> i see all the ones i need
[00:21] <bandit63> ok but its better safe than sorry ;)
[00:21] <bandit63> you have and bookmarks you want from firefox or email from thunderbird/
[00:21] <Suhn> nope
[00:21] <Suhn> Ill just redo the bookmarks
[00:21] <Suhn> i only need a few thing on here
[00:21] <bandit63> your call
[00:21] <Suhn> tthat took a while
[00:22] <bandit63> i am sure there is a faster way to do it but i dont know anything about wubi
[00:22] <bandit63> i have never used it :D
[00:22] <Suhn> Its good, i got all my files
[00:22] <Suhn> that i need :D
[00:22] <bandit63> you can wait and try the ubi installer for 11.04 when its fixed or reinstall 10.10
[00:23] <Suhn> ill just use my disk for 11.04
[00:23] <bandit63> if you copy the whole user folder over then you can copy it back and will have all your setting the way they where
[00:23] <Suhn> id rather not mess with wubi
[00:23] <Suhn> i dont like it
[00:23] <Suhn> anymore
[00:23] <bandit63> you cant install wubi from the disk
[00:23] <bandit63> if you install from the 11.04 disk it will wipe your windows install
[00:23] <Suhn> ive installed from a sik
[00:24] <Suhn> disk on my server pc
[00:24] <bandit63> oh ok
[00:24] <Suhn> it did not wipe the windows install
[00:24] <bandit63> cool
[00:24] <Suhn> Wait
[00:24] <Suhn> tno
[00:24] <Suhn> the disk had wubi on it
[00:24] <Suhn> i ran the disk while in windows
[00:24] <bandit63> glad we got your files back
[00:24] <bandit63> any other files you need off that wubi install?
[00:25] <Suhn> Is there any way to have 11.04 and windows together to boot?
[00:25] <Suhn> Choose between
[00:25] <bandit63> you can dual boot or use wubi but you need to look that up
[00:25] <thiebaude> install windows first  then ubuntu
[00:25] <Suhn> I have windows arleady
[00:25] <thiebaude> cool
[00:25] <bandit63> and you would need to repartition
[00:26] <Suhn> but i geuss if i install ubuntu now, it will get rid of windows
[00:26] <thiebaude> then your all set to dual boot
[00:26] <Suhn> wait
[00:26] <Suhn> I can install without wubi and still dual boot?
[00:26] <thiebaude> insatll the live ubuntu cd
[00:26] <thiebaude> then when you get to the partioning part
[00:26] <Suhn> Ok, and it for sure will not wipe windows?
[00:27] <thiebaude> choose how you want to allocate space
[00:27] <Suhn> alright im going to stay here
[00:27] <Suhn> so if im unsure when i get to the partition ill ask
[00:27] <thiebaude> its not suppose to, but i never say never ,lol
[00:27] <thiebaude> i have done many dual boots in the past
[00:27] <bandit63> Suhn, glad i could help you get your files back
[00:28] <Suhn> bandit63: i appreciate it very much
[00:28] <bandit63> thiebaude, he has 3 partitions on that disk already
[00:28] <tensorpudding> wubi and natty don't mix yet
[00:28] <Suhn> w8
[00:28] <Suhn> lemme uninstall the old ubuntu with wubi
[00:28] <bandit63> Suhn,  glad i could help
[00:28]  * Suhn 
[00:29]  * Suhn gives bandit63 7 cookies
[00:29] <bandit63> :)
[00:30] <thiebaude> a windows ubuntu and swap partition?
[00:30] <bandit63> i dont think so
[00:30] <thiebaude> ok
[00:30] <bandit63> he had windows installed
[00:30] <bandit63> and ubuntu with wubi on the windows partiont
[00:30] <Suhn> lemme uninstall the ubuntu with wubi
[00:30] <Suhn> then ill install 11.04
[00:31] <thiebaude> hmm
[00:31] <bandit63> wow 11.04 makes my harddrives spin funny :|
[00:31] <Suhn> it did when i was using the live cd
[00:31] <Suhn> Wasnt the disk either
[00:31] <penguin42> bandit63: Can you explain?
[00:31] <bandit63> i am getting random mspin downs and spin ups
[00:32] <bandit63> spin'
[00:32] <bandit63> sounds nasty
[00:32] <penguin42> how often?
[00:32] <Suhn> ubuntu takes 1 second to uninstall lol
[00:32] <bandit63> i am thinking about that
[00:32] <thiebaude> yep
[00:32] <bandit63> i cant really tell seems like every 30 min
[00:33] <bandit63> but it could be putting a drive to sleep and then i save something to it and it has to wake it back up
[00:33] <penguin42> not as bad as it couid be I guess; are you on battery?
[00:33] <bandit63> desktop
[00:34] <penguin42> bandit63: Have you got 'spin down hard disks when possible' set in Power Management Preferences ?
[00:34] <Suhn> ok im booting from the CD
[00:34] <Suhn> And if i create a new partition it wont do anything to windows?
[00:34] <bandit63> penguin42, yes that was turned on
[00:35] <voidmage> bandit63: another feature i lost: being able to drag/drop items on the bottom panel taskbar
[00:35] <voidmage> to reorder
[00:35] <Suhn> Suhn: hi
[00:35] <Suhn> Suhn, test
[00:35] <thiebaude> penguin42, i just enabled that myself
[00:35] <bandit63> penguin42,  you think i should leave it turned on?
[00:35] <thiebaude> since you mentiones it,lol
[00:35] <thiebaude> mentioned
[00:35] <penguin42> bandit63: Dunno - my guess is that there is a limit to how often it turns it off (there was a nasty case a few years ago where it was doing it every few minutes and really being very very bad for drives)
[00:36] <bandit63> yes i turned that off on my laptop was that around 8.04 i cant remember been to long
[00:36] <delac_> Suhn: you probably should do disk defragmentation before you start the installation
[00:37] <delac_> Suhn: from the Windows
[00:37] <Suhn> My laptop is only a month or two old
[00:37] <Suhn> And im already in the installation disk
[00:37] <thiebaude> i still have 1 bad sector on my disk
[00:37] <Suhn> Should i restart to windows again?? to do this?
[00:37] <delac_> Suhn: also, you do have all the important data on the Windows backed up too?
[00:38] <bandit63> yes you cant defrag ntfs from linux
[00:38] <bandit63> or chkdsk'
[00:38] <Suhn> :/
[00:38] <Suhn> i dont have my files backed up
[00:38] <Suhn> Is it that risky?
[00:38] <delac_> Suhn: this is pretty safe operation, but something could go wrong too
[00:38] <Kurdistan> guys/girls how is the battery time in natty comparing to maverick?
[00:38] <Suhn> Ill go for it if its safe
[00:38] <bandit63> delac_, thanks for taking over
[00:39] <delac_> bandit63: i wouldnt say i'mm taking over
[00:39] <Suhn> laptop is plugged in
[00:39] <delac_> bandit63: just giving some pointers
[00:39] <bandit63> well thanks i dont run ubuntu that way so i would be lost yet again
[00:40] <delac_> Suhn: I highly recommend you do the backups before you install Ubuntu
[00:40] <Suhn> Ugh
[00:40] <Suhn> im already installig
[00:40] <Suhn> DL
[00:40] <Suhn> D:
[00:40] <bandit63> oh wow
[00:40] <bandit63> you need to do backups regularly any way Suhn
[00:40] <delac_> Suhn: at what point are you now?
[00:40] <Suhn> The files arent installing
[00:41] <Suhn> Im just going throuhg the warnings and stuff
[00:41] <Suhn> Also
[00:41] <delac_> Suhn: what warnings?
[00:41] <Suhn> Windows automatically restores basically every day
[00:41] <Suhn> not warnings. "For best results"
[00:41] <delac_> Suhn: the backups need to be on external drive
[00:41] <Suhn> Oh
[00:41] <Suhn> i dont have an external drive
[00:41] <Suhn> i have a 2gb flash drive
[00:42] <delac_> Suhn: is that enough for your files?
[00:42] <Suhn> Nope
[00:42] <Suhn> I have 70gb full
[00:42] <delac_> Suhn: get a external drive
[00:42] <thiebaude> wow
[00:42] <Suhn> Also, none of my files are to important.
[00:42] <Suhn> Mostly songs and games
[00:42] <bandit63> all of your files are important!!!!
[00:42] <Suhn> And i can get my games back through steam
[00:43] <Suhn> Well i dont have an external drive
[00:43] <delac_> Suhn: well, those you can "probably" get back from internet, but photos and works you should back up
[00:43] <tensorpudding> you probably don't want to back up steam games then
[00:43] <Suhn> I dont have the money for one either
[00:43] <tensorpudding> you can just download them over again right?
[00:43] <Suhn> I dont have any photos
[00:43] <delac_> Suhn: can you fit all your importan files on the usb stick?
[00:44] <Suhn> I dont have any files that i would need
[00:44] <Suhn> I dont have any personal stuff
[00:44] <Suhn> Im 15 its mostly games and media and such
[00:44] <delac_> Suhn: ...
[00:44] <bandit63> famous last words
[00:44] <Suhn> yea
[00:44] <delac_> indeed :)
[00:44] <Suhn> Honestly
[00:44] <tensorpudding> if there nothing you miss while using a guest account, it is safe to wipe without making backups
[00:45] <Suhn> How dangerous is this?
[00:45] <delac_> Suhn: in that case, you can proceed
[00:45] <bandit63> dangerous not so much iritating to lose all your stuff yes
[00:45]  * thiebaude come on bandit63 lets get a drink,lol
[00:45] <thiebaude> :)
[00:45] <delac_> Suhn: not highly dangerous, but I wouldn take any risks with my important work files and photos
[00:46] <Suhn> Yea, if i had a business or a bunch of school work on here i would back it up
[00:46] <Suhn> Oh it says Install ubuntu alongside windows 7 :D
[00:46] <thiebaude> you guys have a good night- peace out folks :)
[00:46] <bandit63> thiebaude, that sounds like a good idea
[00:46] <bandit63> thiebaude, night
[00:46] <thiebaude> tc
[00:46] <delac_> Suhn: yes, and there is a slider that you can use to select the size of the partiotion for the ubuntu
[00:47] <Suhn> Yea i think 70 gigs is enough
[00:47] <Suhn> I dont store much on ubuntu
[00:47] <bandit63> i hate reinstalling everything after a fresh install
[00:47] <bandit63> Suhn,  how big a harddrive do you ahve?
[00:47] <syn-ack> bandit63, look into kickstarting then
[00:47] <Suhn> 320
[00:47] <bandit63> oh i am going to kickstart somthing starting with natty
[00:48] <delac_> Suhn: 70 sound fine then
[00:48] <bandit63> its been couple years since i did a fresh install so i guess it was time
[00:48] <Suhn> For future refrence. it is mounted on /dev/sda3
[00:49] <bandit63> well you need write that down or remember it
[00:49] <Suhn> This is something that i would remember
[00:49] <Suhn> if it comes up again
[00:50] <Suhn> Oh wow
[00:50] <Suhn> it gives me an option to import my old account
[00:51] <Suhn> wait nvm
[00:51] <Suhn> tahts my windows act
[00:51] <Suhn> afk
[00:51] <bandit63> ok been fun people i am out of here
[00:52] <delac_> bb
[00:52] <bazhang> thanks
[00:52] <bandit63> Suhn, hope your install gies well
[00:56] <Suhn> Thanks bandit
[00:57] <Suhn> delac you still there?
[00:57] <Suhn> delac_: you still there?*
[00:57] <delac_> yes
[00:58] <Suhn> 11.04 will have support for newer drivers right? My aux headphone jack did not work on 10.10
[00:59] <delac_> Suhn: it will have some newer drivers. cant say anything about that particular headphone though
[00:59] <Suhn> Yea nbd. Also, intelHD graphics chip seems to have problems with java games like minecraft. Are the drivers different for 11.04
[01:01] <delac_> Suhn: well, Intels integrated GPUs are really not for playing games, so you cant expect much from them
[01:01] <delac_> Suhn: does Minecraft work well on the Windows?
[01:02] <Suhn> delac_: The new one works great for games like CS:S and GMOD. And so said is made for light gaming. But, it gets worse FPS then the 3 year old intel gpu
[01:02] <Suhn> Minecraft does not work well on windows either, but it does work very differently
[01:02] <Suhn> Garrys Mod on full settings full resolution
[01:03] <Suhn> Ok, so my new thing is grub
[01:03] <Suhn> is taht how i load windows to?
[01:03] <delac_> yes, you can select either ubuntu or windows from there
[01:03] <delac_> ubuntu is on top of the list
[01:04] <delac_> windows will be somewhere on the bottom, but you can change that
[01:04] <Suhn> Yup
[01:06] <syn-ack> want to have some fun? Configure NTLDR to chainload linux
[01:06] <syn-ack> I know it's not NTLDR anymore, but it is in XP still so yeah
[01:08] <Suhn> Well, ty delac_
[01:08] <Suhn> the installation worked
[01:08] <Suhn> and i have my files
[01:08] <bazhang> Suhn, nice to hear
[01:09] <bazhang> Suhn, and no more wubi
[01:09] <Suhn> :D
[01:10] <Suhn> Where can i make quicker access to my applications
[01:10] <Suhn> the panels arent the same
[01:11] <delac_> Suhn: yes, it's pretty different from earlier ubuntus
[01:11] <tensorpudding> super+a brings up the applications menu
[01:11] <tensorpudding> from there, you can search by name
[01:12] <tensorpudding> if you narrow it down to one choice you can hit enter and it will load it
[01:12] <delac_> Suhn: try it out for a while, if you dont like it, you can get the more classic gnome back from the login window. just select ubuntu classic from there
[01:12] <Suhn> K
[01:12] <Suhn> i like the new one
[01:12] <Suhn> alright well i g2g
[01:12] <Suhn> thanks again
[01:26] <tensorpudding> is there a way to remove recommendations
[01:28] <carl0s-_> this is still so totally screwed, just like it was two months ago. This must be the "invisible windows" that's mentioned on the bug list. It's hardly "unusual circumstances" though is it. Can anybody open Sound Preferences ? It's obviously opening, invisibly.. cos the mouse is making sound stuff happen. I just can't see the window though.
[01:29] <tensorpudding> carl0s-_: hit super+d, it'll appear in the dock and you can right-click -> quit it
[01:30] <carl0s-_> tensorpudding, hmm. i'll try that! I've just logged out, and the login screen says that I'm logged in (as though I've chosen to Switch User instead of log out), and after coming back in, my theme is going weird as though half of my gnome session is running as a different user, like when you su an app
[01:32] <ceed^> I struggling with this annoying problem. Suddenly Unity won't autohide and stays on top of everything. Is it some key combo I'm accidentally hitting or is it a bug?
[01:32] <carl0s-_> I had all this about two months ago though. I couldn't use OpenOffice/Loff Calc.. I was clicking and stuff was obviously going to a different window that wasn't visible. I was having to drag windows off to the bottom right of the screen to be able to perform mouse actions on them.
[01:32] <tensorpudding> yes, that happens to me too
[01:32] <carl0s-_> I then gave up, and went back to 10.whatever
[01:32] <carl0s-_> and thought I've try Natty again today, but it's still just as bad.
[01:36] <carl0s-_> oh well. It has to be the invisible windows thing that I noticed in the beta install notes. It's a pretty huge show stopper though. I hope it gets fixed prior to release. I've gotta be honest, there's not much that's hitting me as "good" about Natty. I'd at least hope for something drastically cool, e.g. like Exchange MAPI finally working, or something else kick ass. Instead it seems like problems without obvious reasons
[01:38] <Milos_SD> Hi
[01:38] <Milos_SD> I just did upgrade to Natty :)
[01:38] <Milos_SD> Unity is nice :)
[01:38] <Milos_SD> but I have one little problem :D
[01:38] <Milos_SD> is there a way to change order of icons on launcher?
[01:39] <trism> Milos_SD: yes, grab it and drag it off the launcher, and without letting go drag it somewhere else
[01:43] <mikehh> libc6-dev seems incorrect, wrong files installed
[02:06] <Milos_SD> Hi
[02:08] <Milos_SD> why "Blur" compiz plugin isn't working?
[02:08] <Milos_SD> My hardware and drivers supports it
[02:09] <mrdeb> the removal of the menu bar makes some applicaitons crash
[02:12] <arand> mrdeb: Do report bugs for those apps.
[02:15] <mrdeb> ok
[02:19] <benzaldehyde> call me crazy but i am just going to go on another 5 hour install advenure
[02:32] <Chr|s> anyone try to install gnome from ppa yet?
[02:47] <benzaldehyde> Chr|s: what is ppa
[02:48] <Chr|s> benzaldehyde: Personal Packaging Archive
[02:48] <Chr|s> you can add keys to install third party content
[02:48] <benzaldehyde> i have a few keys added
[02:49] <benzaldehyde> for debian and apple software
[02:50] <Chr|s> I just want to check out the new gnome
[02:50] <Chr|s> I don't think I am ready for Unity yet
[02:50] <benzaldehyde> what is unity
[02:51] <benzaldehyde> i hear it talked about a lot
[02:51] <Chr|s> benzaldehyde: you know what channel your in right?
[02:51] <benzaldehyde> natty narwhal
[02:51] <Chr|s> It is the default windows system for natty
[02:51] <Chr|s> it wont be gnome
[02:51] <benzaldehyde> windows, system as in manager?
[02:51] <Chr|s> yes
[02:52] <benzaldehyde> huh
[02:52] <benzaldehyde> i did not know that
[02:52] <Chr|s> yup, totally different from gnome
[02:52] <benzaldehyde> does not matter for me though i would most likely use fluxbox as i always have
[02:53] <benzaldehyde> in the short time i've used linux
[02:53] <Chr|s> I see
[02:54] <benzaldehyde> i don't know but i would imagine unity is more resource intense, seems to be a trend with most updates these days, they don't get faster or lighter but they do get more intricate, bulky and slugish, though i don't know for sure
[02:55] <benzaldehyde> Chr|s: eye candy is important if you got the cpu cycles though so don't get me rong
[02:56] <benzaldehyde> powerpc64 just can't get over that hill
[02:58] <Chr|s> Yeah
[03:03] <benzaldehyde> i need to focus on this, seeya
[03:24] <myk_robinson> can anyone advise of a fast, working mirror for Natty Beta?
[03:24] <myk_robinson> i'm on a 25M connection, and the official one is saying 1 Day to complete :(
[03:26] <myk_robinson> cancel, think I finally got one.
[03:53] <Z_Man> i just had the ubuntu beta of 11.04 kernel panic (or something on me) i got a screenshot of a call stack, i can give my hardware configuration and everything too
[03:53] <Z_Man> something to do with a scsi driver maybe
[03:53] <Z_Man> im running on one of those new sandy bridge platforms
[03:53] <Z_Man> will post to pastebin
[03:58] <Z_Man> anyone awake or nobody care? :)
[03:58] <Z_Man> just trying to be helpful
[03:58] <Z_Man> or maybe there is no devs in here
[03:58] <rww> best to report a bug about it
[03:58] <Z_Man> wheres the best place to do so?
[03:59] <rww> !bug
[04:00] <Z_Man> thanks
[04:04] <DrakasX> I'm having problems booting using the pae kernal, is there a way to boot to generic through grub as a default?
[04:06] <Z_Man> was a kernel oops
[04:06] <Z_Man> forgot about those
[04:06] <Z_Man> i just assumed it was a panic
[04:06] <DrakasX> ?
[04:07] <Z_Man> dont worry about it :)
[04:09] <DrakasX> Could you perhaps help me out?
[04:13] <digitalfiz> you guys know of how to get icons in the sidebar that arent standard apps? I have some scripts that start games I play and Id like them to be in the sidebar
[04:13] <digitalfiz> on unity
[04:14] <DrakasX> Is there a way to change the kernel grub uses by default? the generic-pae kernel causes services to fail on start in 11.04, unless i drop to shell and sudo service gdm start. HOWEVER if i switch to the linux-generic kernel it boots fine
[04:16] <pmatulis> DrakasX: remove the offending kernel is one way, the most recent one will be used
[04:16] <jsjgruber_> DrakasX, yes there is. You change a config file to set the default you want and then remake grubs config
[04:17] <DrakasX> pmatulis: can you walk me through it? or is there a guide i can refer to
[04:17] <pmatulis> DrakasX: pastebin the output to 'dpkg -l 'linux-image*'
[04:18] <litropy> I'm not interested in getting the "very latest" packages from php5, but I do want to install php5 with its cURL packages. Will the guide within the following SO page work without screwing anything else up? http://serverfault.com/questions/230529/how-to-install-php-from-source-with-latest-curl-package-on-linux
[04:20] <DrakasX> pmatulis: http://pastebin.com/AGQmyXaT
[04:21] <DrakasX> sorry wrong command
[04:21] <pmatulis> dpkg -l 'linux-image*' | grep '^ii'
[04:23] <DrakasX> pmatulis: http://pastebin.com/RRA99yEt
[04:24] <pmatulis> DrakasX: so you want to remove 'linux-image-2.6.38-7-generic-pae' then?
[04:24] <DrakasX> 2.6.28-7-generic-pae causes problems when trying to load, mostly services crashing on start
[04:24] <DrakasX> so yes
[04:24] <pmatulis> DrakasX: 'sudo aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.38-7-generic-pae'
[04:24] <litropy> hm. never mind. while aptitude couldn't find php5 and its dependencies, apt-get could. odd.
[04:26] <DrakasX> give me a second to install aptitude
[04:26] <DrakasX> i just finally got around the boot issue today
[04:26] <pmatulis> DrakasX: you can use apt-get
[04:27] <DrakasX> running
[04:27] <DrakasX> could this possibly be cause by me running this on a macbook pro?
[04:28] <DrakasX> now how do i re-run grub? restart?
[04:29] <pmatulis> DrakasX: grub is handled automatically
[04:30] <DrakasX> so restart? Here's the pastebin output
[04:30] <DrakasX> http://pastebin.com/1ShwCS7C
[04:31] <pmatulis> DrakasX: looks good
[04:31] <DrakasX> sweet, that hopefully means smooth boot next time
[04:31] <pmatulis> DrakasX: theoretically, yes
[04:32] <DrakasX> I haven't noticed boot issues on any other pc in my possession EXCEPT my macbook, could the EFI be the problem?
[04:33] <pmatulis> DrakasX: i don't know anything about macs
[05:42] <Suhn> Helo
[05:42] <Suhn> Where can i change appearence prefrences?
[05:43] <J697> I installed beta 1 and everything is ok, but I have found some bug that keeps um, bugging me
[05:43] <J697> I can't install anything through the Ubuntu Software Center
[05:43] <Suhn> Yea, i have that bug to a bit
[05:43] <Suhn> sometimes it says it didnt installj but it actually did
[05:45] <Suhn> How do i get to system preferences with this new ubuntu?
[06:08] <alkisg> Hi, will there be a linux-image-generic-lts-backport-natty package available for lucid?
[06:09] <coz_>  good day all
[06:09] <SwedeMike> alkisg: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/37
[06:11] <alkisg> SwedeMike: thanks, those are not in the official archives though, are they?
[06:11] <SwedeMike> alkisg: I have no idea, I just googled for it. There were more hits, I only gave you the first one.
[06:50] <magn3ts> Trying to install one version of Natty over an old one... or install extra codecs at install time is broken.
[06:50] <magn3ts> One of the two.
[06:50] <magn3ts> Left my machine unbootable -- wasn't reinstalling grub.
[07:18] <ubuntuguy> ok
[07:18] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: hi
[07:18] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: So, continuing
[07:18] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: Download the ISO for the beta
[07:18] <ubuntuguy> but I have no cd slot
[07:18] <ubuntuguy> on my laptop
[07:18] <ubuntuguy> so I won't be able to use it
[07:18] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: Which version of Ubuntu are you currently running?
[07:18] <ubuntuguy> 10.10
[07:18] <trijntje> its possible to install from usb
[07:19] <ubuntuguy> how so?
[07:19] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: so, you download the ISO and then use startup disk creator to put it on a usb
[07:19] <ubuntuguy> where is the start-up creator located
[07:19] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: Its in the System->Administration menu
[07:20] <ubuntuguy> ANd can you provide instructions on how to do this
[07:20] <ubuntuguy> and I will be able to test it out without installing using this method right
[07:20] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: yes you will be able to test without installing
[07:20] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: download the ISO first
[07:20] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: then, open the startup disk creator
[07:20] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: insert an EMPTY usb drive
[07:21] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: point startup disk creator to the downloaded ISO
[07:21] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: and it'll write it to the USB disk
[07:21] <ubuntuguy> Alright, thanks
[07:21] <ubuntuguy> :}
[07:21] <ubuntuguy> Have you tried ubuntu 11.04 as of yet?
[07:22] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: I am running it at the moment :)
[07:22] <ubuntuguy> And, how is it?
[07:22] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: not very stable, but ace
[07:22] <ubuntuguy> How is unity in your opinion?
[07:23] <cdbs> ubuntuguy: I am a Unity developer :) and I'd (surely) say its awesome
[07:23] <ubuntuguy> Oh, that's great man!
[07:24] <ubuntuguy> I'm going to def try it out when it finishes the long download
[07:25] <trijntje> will there be a lot of changes to unity before natty is released?
[07:25] <cdbs> trijntje: mainly bug fixes, and only some minor UI tweaks from now onwards
[07:29] <trijntje> cdbs, ok, thanks. I have to admit i'm a bit worried about unity, I dont think it works better than gnome yet
[07:29] <trijntje> though I like it a lot on my netbook
[07:34] <cdbs> trijntje: /w 19
[07:34] <cdbs> oops sorry
[07:35] <trijntje> np ;)
[08:11] <TheNumb> Hello there :)
[08:11] <TheNumb> I am experiencing some problems with nvidia 270.xx drivers. Compiz freezest just after gdm starts. Any ideas?
[08:11] <TheNumb> freezes*
[08:21] <TheNumb> ;z
[08:21] <TheNumb> Nobody knows the solution :(
[08:22] <SwedeMike> be patient and hang around in the channel.
[08:23] <TheNumb> Unfortunately it's driver's fault. The same thing happens on other distros :(
[08:24] <SwedeMike> then you should bug report it to nvidia, I would imagine there is nothing ubuntu can do about it.
[08:31] <designgears> are nvidia drivers (260.19.44) compatible with 11.04 beta1?
[08:32] <TheNumb> designgears: I don't think so. Why are you asking?
[08:32] <designgears> just installed them and it didn't go over so well.
[08:33] <designgears> do the ones that come up under additional drivers work?
[08:37] <designgears> ok, that worked
[08:56] <Chr|s> anyone try to install gnome 3 yet on natty? if so please share how to do it
[09:00] <Najaaaaa> yes :)
[09:00] <Chr|s> ok!
[09:02] <Najaaaaa> you can install www.snowlinux.de/
[09:02] <Najaaaaa> if you want then
[09:02] <Chr|s> lol
[10:11] <delac> does anyone know if the Unity Lenses (Apps, Files, Media Apps, Internet Apps) are manageable per user (configuration somewhere in the home folder), or is the only way to get more/rid of them by Synaptic?
[10:15] <gordonjcp> I guess I ought to boot into Ubuntu and see if Unity is any better yet
[10:20] <phibxr> running any kind of opengl-game seems to render the unity-interface pretty much unusable as long as an opengl-game is running. the dash won't even show, actually. I guess this is compiz-related, no?
[10:30] <Milos_SD> Why some indicator are not clickable?  For example, network manager? To get to it, I need to click on sound or date-time indicator, and then go to it witch coursor... :S
[10:32] <robbit10> Question: In the final version of Natty, will you be able to use vanilla GNOME 3.0, or will you be forced to use Unity?
[10:40] <NielsMkn> coz_ you here?
[10:40] <coz_> yep
[10:41] <coz_> NielsMkn,  what's up?
[10:41] <NielsMkn> so how was it? Very different from ubuntu 10.10?
[10:42] <coz_> NielsMkn,  well..at first log in you are on the Unity desktop... if you have seen screenshots of it..it is specifically designed for netbooks , however , if you then log off and log onto the  classic gnome desktop,, it is pretty much the same as gnome is on previous version
[10:43] <coz_> NielsMkn,  actually that first log in depends on you haveing either intel or ati video card
[10:43] <NielsMkn> Well I am working on a cross-platform game using ogre3d(mainly) but I was using 10.10 to test my games. Now I'm worried if my game will work on 11.04
[10:43] <NielsMkn> Well I have a Nvidia Card
[10:44] <coz_> NielsMkn,  I dont think think there will be an issue,, and nvidia card will default to classic gnome desktop until you install the nvidia driver
[10:44] <NielsMkn> ah
[10:44] <coz_> NielsMkn,  I also have nvidia on my two machines here
[10:45] <coz_> NielsMkn,  so its no big deal , however ,, it is not perfect yet:)
[10:45] <coz_> NielsMkn,   if you dont need to install natty , dont... wait until it is released
[10:45] <jihedamine> Hi, when I try to bootup Natty live cd, modeset sets the screen brightness to very dark (having intel graphic card). Is there a way to fix this ?
[10:46] <coz_> jihedamine,  I am not familiar, personally, with intel especially on natty
[10:48] <NielsMkn> well I didn't have any problem on 10.10 with nvidia. Is this an unresolved issue of 11.04 or with nvidia drivers?
[10:51] <coz_> NielsMkn,  there is no issue with nvidia  in 11.04  ,, as usual you have to install via  jockey-gtk
[10:51] <coz_> or jockey-kde ,  depending on your  DE
[10:52] <NielsMkn> so what did you mean by 'not perfect'?
[10:52] <coz_> NielsMkn,   I meant natty is not perfect yet :)
[10:52] <coz_> 11.04  is not perfect yet :)
[10:52] <coz_> not the nvidia driver
[10:52] <NielsMkn> ah
[10:52] <coz_> NielsMkn,  ok  sorry for rasing the blood pressure there :)
[10:52] <NielsMkn> well thanks, I guess I'll wait then :)
[10:53] <NielsMkn> hehe I am sorry for misunderstanding :)
[10:53] <coz_> NielsMkn,  well as I said,, unless you enjoy testing  beta software,, if there is no need for it ,, just wait til rlease  and I would suggest a clean install instead of an upgrade
[10:53] <NielsMkn> oh
[10:53] <NielsMkn> why a clean install?
[10:54] <coz_> NielsMkn,  unless your situation   doesnt allow a back up,, with a clean install..if there are any issues that arise,, you can be confident it had nothing to do with the upgrade
[10:55] <NielsMkn> I see
[10:57] <coz_> NielsMkn,  however,  and I say this with some reservation,, ,many people to upgrades,,   the reason I prefer  clean installs  is a "clean slate" to work with
[10:58] <coz_> many people "do" upgrade
[10:59] <NielsMkn> well I'll do a clean install just to remove unnecessary files as well :D
[10:59] <coz_> NielsMkn,  cool :)
[11:00] <Milos_SD> Why some indicators are not clickable?  For example, network manager? To get to it, I need to click on sound or date-time indicator, and then go to it with coursor... :S
[11:11] <NielsMkn> gtg
[11:11] <NielsMkn> see ya all later
[11:34] <lapion> is anyone in here actually using unity ? It confuses the heck outa me
[11:36] <BUGabundo> not me
[11:36] <lapion> doesn't confuse you ? or you are not using it ?
[11:36] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[11:36] <BUGabundo> lapion: not using it
[11:37] <lapion> good mourning to anyone using unity
[11:37] <lapion> and good morning to you
[11:37] <genii-around> Yes, "mourning" is somewhat apt, as opposed to "morning"
[11:38] <lapion> well I wont be mournig when I do APTitude purge unity
[11:39] <BUGabundo> genii-around: but it always reminds me of Allo Allo
[11:39] <lapion> ah the memories of allo allo...
[11:40] <lapion> at least there was no unity in that town
[11:40] <lapion> afk ots
[12:05] <lapion> ba
[12:05] <BUGabundo> bo
[12:06] <genii-around> be
[12:07] <lapion> so are there any plans to put unity as a secondary, or a completely separately installed distro disc...
[12:07] <lapion> hence ubunity
[12:08] <BUGabundo> no
[12:08] <coz_> lapion,  I thought Unity1  would be good :)
[12:09] <lapion> have you tried it ?
[12:09] <m4rtin> unity is pretty good, but I have a few qualms: not being able to see menus until I hover in global bar is annoying. Not being able to see all running windows likewise makes switching far slower.
[12:09] <coz_> lapion,  me?  yes I have natty installed on another machine
[12:10] <lapion> coz_, you can always select classic desktop at login, or after logging out, and logging in again
[12:10] <coz_> m4rtin,  well.. the alternative is to log off ,, and choose the classic gnome session
[12:10] <coz_> lapion,  yep I know that :)
[12:11] <m4rtin> coz_: yes, if I want classic gnome, I was just pointing out the areas that I don't feel work so well at present
[12:11] <coz_> m4rtin,  well I have said this many times... global menu is good for screens smaller thatn 15"
[12:11] <lapion> m4rtin, try resizing a windows that's not full screen..
[12:12] <lapion> coz_, only if the screen has a resolution less then 1024x600
[12:12] <lapion> too apple-y
[12:12] <m4rtin> lapion: isn't there a patch in progress for that (I haven't tried this but read people moaning)
[12:13] <m4rtin> coz_: I think it's a good idea in principle (I waste so much screen space with a dock bar and a menu bar), I just haven't got used to it yet
[12:13] <coz_> m4rtin,  well   I dont find any use for global menu especially on dual monitors
[12:14] <lapion> m4rtin, it's difficult to have an app as a smaller window hovering "on top" of the full-screen app being used to cut paste or some other stuff..
[12:14] <m4rtin> coz_: how does it work out across 2 screens? Does the menu correctly appear on the screen where the window is?
[12:14] <coz_> m4rtin,  it is a mac menuing like system... good enought for mac on screens 9"  but not on large monitor setups,, too far a distance to travel for  File  Edit  View
[12:14] <coz_> m4rtin,  no the menus all appear on global menu  far far away to the left of the set up:)
[12:15] <m4rtin> coz_: ah, now that's going to really annoy me on my desktop
[12:15] <coz_> m4rtin,  what could possibly make it less frustrating is using easystroke
[12:15] <lapion> ifn a galaxy far far away..
[12:15] <lapion> in
[12:16] <coz_> m4rtin,  easystroke if you are on larger monitors,,, and want to stay in Unity
[12:17] <coz_> it is fortunate that you have the options  in sessions
[12:18] <coz_> m4rtin,  are you planning on testing Natty?
[12:18] <m4rtin> coz_: I've been running a liveCD and will probably move to a dist upgrade at Beta2
[12:18] <m4rtin> on my laptop that s
[12:18] <m4rtin> *is
[12:18] <coz_> m4rtin,  ah cool.. dont let my opinions alter your experience..
[12:19] <m4rtin> it seems pretty good on my laptop
[12:19] <coz_> m4rtin,  on a laptop it should be just about perfect
[12:19] <m4rtin> keyboard shortcuts are particularly nice
[12:21] <coz_> m4rtin,  there you go :)
[12:22] <soreau> http://pastebin.com/mN79sGgK
[12:23] <lapion> well I use 6 workspaces, 3 separate instances of the browser xchat, skype, empathy deluge a vt deluge etc etc most on a separate workspace.
[12:24] <m4rtin> lapion: I'm guessing unity doesn't handle that so well
[12:25] <lapion> one workspace for im, 3 for browsing of which one also has deluge, 1 for xchat, 1 for vt
[12:26] <lapion> well having to open the workspace switcher, that then takes over the whole screen....
[12:26] <kklimonda> hmm, is the wallpaper with two narhwals on the aubergine background the new default?
[12:26] <coz_> kklimonda,  not last time I installed this.. it was that purple thingy
[12:27] <coz_> kklimonda,  although I like that double narwhol
[12:27] <lapion> furthermore I have a windows-list at the bottom with all apps, one at the top with only those for the current workspace
[12:29] <kklimonda> coz_: hmm.. right, the warty-final.png is still pointing to the old wallpaper, I wonder how did it change on my system..
[12:29] <lapion> whenever I use unity, feel the same way I do whenever I am on a windows (prison)
[12:29] <coz_> kklimonda,  I dont know.. do you like the aubergine narwhols?
[12:30] <kklimonda> coz_: sure, but are you suggesting that Ubuntu can now read my mind? damn
[12:30] <coz_> lol
[12:31] <coz_> kklimonda,  yes I think it is in the package  telepathy-common :)
[12:31] <m4rtin> just attempting to get Zotero setup under LibreOffice and FF4 on Natty; my only crucial requirement :P
[12:32] <coz_> mm
[12:33] <coz_> m4rtin,  watching video on zotero
[12:34] <m4rtin> coz_: fantastic piece of software, but requires sun java which can be a bitch (it's in Maverick partner repo)
[12:35] <coz_> m4rtin,  you  can get sun java on natty as well ,, I have already installed it there
[12:35] <m4rtin> coz_: I'm just installing from Maverick partner repo, didn't seem to be in Natty
[12:36] <coz_> m4rtin,  well it was in the partner repos on my system here,, so I believe it will be there,, there are applications that require sun java  so it is still what I use
[12:36] <m4rtin> coz_: hmmm, wonder how I missed it :/
[12:36] <coz_> m4rtin,  did you enable the partner repos?  not sure they can be enabled from live cd though
[12:36] <coz_> ooo zotero stand alone alpha :)
[12:37] <m4rtin> coz_: I added them manually to apt sources deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu natty partner
[12:37] <coz_> ah  mmm
[12:37]  * soreau wonders why it stinks in here
[12:37] <coz_> let me check on my natty  machine to be sure
[12:38] <coz_> soreau,  it must be the beer :)
[12:38] <soreau> ah, coz_. Must be you
[12:38] <coz_> m4rtin,   no it is definitly on there
[12:39] <coz_> i just showered  and I smell all clean and fresh :)
[12:40] <m4rtin> coz_: hmm ok, well will see if I can get it working from Maverick partner for now. I mean, I've got sun java working, but fouled up the LibreOffice integration when I tried last night
[12:40] <coz_> m4rtin,  its the same version of sun java form maverick so I dont see an issue
[12:41] <m4rtin> coz_: hmmm, I get nasty errors when enabling the plugin in LibreOffice :/
[12:42] <m4rtin> going to try the older word processor plugin
[12:42] <msucan> hello guys
[12:42] <msucan> i am trying to install nvidia-96 and i can't
[12:43] <msucan> xorg-video-abi-8.0 - unavailable packeg
[12:43] <msucan> broken deps
[12:43] <msucan> *package
[12:43] <msucan> what can i do?
[12:43] <msucan> nvidia-current fails for me, because my video card is too old
[12:46] <head_victim> msucan: nvidia-legacy?
[12:46] <msucan> head_victim: no, package nvidia-96
[12:46] <msucan> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/nvidia-96
[12:47] <coz_> msucan, did you download the package from there?
[12:47] <msucan> coz_: no
[12:47] <coz_> msucan,  oh ok
[12:47] <msucan> coz_: i use sudo apt-get update
[12:47] <msucan> then install nvidia-96
[12:47] <coz_> msucan,   try sudo apt-get install -f
[12:47] <msucan> just pasted the link for ref
[12:47] <msucan> coz_: that's not the recommended way to install broken packages, is it? :)
[12:48] <msucan> coz_: who can i ping to get that fixed?
[12:48] <coz_> msucan,   not sure,,, you may have to report this
[12:48] <msucan> where and to who? :)
[12:49] <smallfoot-> how can i know which window manager / compositor is currently in use?
[12:50] <smallfoot-> and in my Appearence Preferences there is Visuals tab, so how do i enable Compiz?
[12:51] <coz_> smallfoot-,  which video card do you have?
[12:51] <coz_> msucan,    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[12:51] <mrdeb> smallfoot-: compiz is used. you neeed install compiz settings manager to tweak it
[12:51] <coz_> smallfoot-,  yes ,, if you have intel or ati video compiz is already running
[12:52] <smallfoot-> coz_, geforce8600
[12:52] <smallfoot-> oh
[12:52] <coz_> smallfoot-,  did you already install the driver for that>?
[12:52] <smallfoot-> i use proprietary nvidia driver cuz open source driver was buggy and slow and lacking in funcionality for gaming
[12:52] <coz_> smallfoot-,  then compiz is running
[12:53] <smallfoot-> i use gnome, not unity, cuz unity sucks
[12:53] <coz_> smallfoot-,  right,  did you log into  classic gnome  or classic gnome (no effects)
[12:53] <smallfoot-> classic gnome
[12:53] <coz_> smallfoot-,  yep compiz is running
[12:53] <smallfoot-> ok thanks
[12:53] <gordonjcp> right, time to try 11.04 again
[12:54] <smallfoot-> was unsure if it was maybe metacity or mutter
[12:54] <mrdeb> smallfoot-: did you tweak gnome to go back to normal
[12:54] <mrdeb> like removing the file menu from panel
[12:54] <smallfoot-> 11.04 is pretty good, except that nothing is new, and unity sucks, and there are some bugs
[12:54] <coz_> smallfoot-,  no mutter in 11.04  it was replaced by compiz
[12:54] <smallfoot-> mrdeb, no, i didnt tweak anything, but the file menu isnt in the panel anyways
[12:54] <mrdeb> coz_: why
[12:55] <coz_> mrdeb, why compiz replaces mutter>?
[12:55] <mrdeb> smallfoot-: i remoeve the file thing that maximizes and then it goes doewn to each program window again, and so programs dont crash
[12:55] <mrdeb> yes
[12:55] <coz_> mrdeb,  because ...at least last time I tried mutter,, it was slow,, and a resource hog... compiz is far superior
[12:55] <mrdeb> resource hog
[12:55] <smallfoot-> mrdeb, dont know what you mean
[12:55] <mrdeb> it was using 800mb ram on my system
[12:55] <carl0s-> I hate to whinge, but is this really beta ?? Everything that I remember being broke months ago is still broke. Invisible windows opening up, who take my mouse input even though I can't see them. I have to drag my window off to the bottom right of the screen to get my mouse input into it, because the invisible window is taking the input. the invisible window is somehting I tried to open but appeared not to open..  and now
[12:55] <carl0s-> I can see that SFTP/ssh is thru nautilus is broke too just like it was last time I tried Natty :(
[12:56] <mrdeb> carl0s-: yes windows are still issue
[12:56] <mrdeb> carl0s-: it's caused by the maximus
[12:56] <carl0s-> maximus ? I'll google it. How about my SFTP:// bookmarks that I have.. they're not working :(
[12:57] <carl0s-> (nautilus bookmarks)
[12:57] <mrdeb> it's the thing tat moves the menu to the top panel
[12:57] <carl0s-> oh I see.
[12:57] <mrdeb> if you use gnome desktop and remove it, windows are fine
[12:57] <carl0s-> the thing that doesn't quite move firefox or libreoffice ?
[12:57] <mrdeb> what
[12:58] <carl0s-> well, isn't the point of that thing, that as well as the close/min/max widgets moving, that the file, edit, view, tool should shift up there too?
[12:58] <ceed^> carl0s-: There's a plugin for Libreoffice taking care of that. Can't remember what it's called tho.
[12:58] <carl0s-> ah I see
[12:58] <carl0s-> I did read about that on omgubuntu
[12:58] <mrdeb> yes it is
[12:59] <carl0s-> so for now, I can remove maximus, and ignore unity for another month or so, then my stuff might mostly work? :)
[13:00] <carl0s-> ooops
[13:00] <carl0s-> guess what
[13:00] <carl0s-> sftp:// is fine. I'm a dick.
[13:00] <gordonjcp> is there any way to improve the user-unfriendly error message?
[13:00] <coz_> lol
[13:00] <mrdeb> yeah
[13:00] <coz_> carl0s-,  that  "lol"  was for you :)
[13:00] <gordonjcp> every so often I get an error "System program problem detected"
[13:00] <carl0s-> sleeping pill not worn off yet. I was clicking on a local sftp:// bookmark, but I'm not at the office.
[13:00] <carl0s-> coz_, :D
[13:00] <gordonjcp> which tbh is totally bloody useless
[13:01] <mrdeb> also you can tweak unity
[13:01] <mrdeb> using gconf-editor or compiz settings
[13:01] <carl0s-> mrdeb, for me?
[13:01] <mrdeb> anyone
[13:01] <ceed^> mrdeb: What aspects can be tweaked in gconf? I know the Compiz configs
[13:02] <carl0s-> mrdeb, are you talking about the unfriendly messages, or an alternate to me removing maximus and going gnome-classic for a while?
[13:02] <smallfoot-> luckily maximus isnt even installed on my system, dont know why
[13:02] <mrdeb> i mena things like the icon sizes and way windows behave
[13:02] <carl0s-> oh ok
[13:03] <mrdeb> i dont konw if it's called maximum or whatnot
[13:03] <mrdeb> that's waht it was in the earlier netbook remixes
[13:03] <carl0s-> I think for the minute I will go back to classic, and home that I don't have the invisible window thing. It is a *huge* show stopper though honestly.
[13:03] <mrdeb> do you have a problem with ram usage beign high
[13:03] <carl0s-> it's why I gave up on the alpha and reloaded 10.10
[13:03] <carl0s-> hope/hom
[13:03] <ceed^> I have never had one hidden window. Wonder if it depends on graphics card used?
[13:04] <mrdeb> well unity is not ready yet
[13:04] <gordonjcp> is there a way to make ALT-F2 work properly?
[13:04] <mrdeb> there is no setting panel fori
[13:04] <carl0s-> ceed^, maybe.. I'm on a thinkpad x301, it's intel something or other
[13:04] <gordonjcp> most of the time if I press alt-f2 and type a command, nothing happens
[13:04] <ceed^> carl0s-: I'm on an ASUS laptop with nvidia graphics using the nonfree driver
[13:05] <gordonjcp> I have to type very very slowly and let it finally try every possible auto-suggestion then click on the app I want
[13:05] <mrdeb> alt f2 works for me
[13:05] <mrdeb> it's just slow
[13:06] <ceed^> What's really broken is the AskUbunutu thing. It keeps telling me it's daemon died, but it's still alive (or revived) and when I ask it something it's moping telling me nothing.
[13:06] <carl0s-> ceed^, hmm. I always would have thought Intel to be most easily supported. I've been very happy with 10.10 anyway, but might have made a mistake by trying the upgrade to 11.04  again
[13:06] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: that's part of the problem
[13:06] <mrdeb> lol
[13:07] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: I don't want to have to wait until it catches up, then click on a little square
[13:07] <ceed^> carl0s-: I have a Samsung laptop also with Intel graphics. Far more problematic than the ASUS
[13:07] <carl0s-> here another annoyance.. anybody use Google Chrome ?
[13:07] <mrdeb> i found some problems using it: windows being blank, huge ram usage (twice previous ubuntu 1010), applications crashing with the window menu moved up to top
[13:07] <gordonjcp> really all I want to do is just detect if my software is being run under Ubuntu, and exit gracefully if it is
[13:08] <mrdeb> gordonjcp: i know yeah. you can also install openbox, i suppose lol
[13:08] <carl0s-> and click on images that pop up in their own title-bar-less window ("click for larger image") things ??> they open up off the top of the screen, and there's no close widget to be found anywhere!
[13:08] <mrdeb> haha
[13:08] <mrdeb> try alt +f4?
[13:08] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: ?
[13:08] <carl0s-> mrdeb, yep that's what I've been doing, or "File -> Close" on the maximus bar thing
[13:08] <mrdeb> alt f4 closes a window
[13:08]  * ceed^ 's major gripe is the "censored" notification area/ system tray
[13:09] <mrdeb> or ctrl q or w
[13:09] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: no, I want to prevent some software I wrote being run in Ubuntu, since it basically doesn't work at the moment
[13:09] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: sound and graphics are too broken in Ubuntu to support
[13:09] <mrdeb> what do you mean
[13:10] <mrdeb> i am thinking that the best thign to do may be to do a base install and use plain gnome over it
[13:10] <carl0s-> hmm. I just tried it again and the chrome child-windows are behaving now.
[13:10] <mrdeb> fixes?
[13:10] <mrdeb> fixed
[13:10] <carl0s-> anyway, gotta go. thanks for the chat and help.
[13:10] <mrdeb> good luck
[13:10] <gordonjcp> I see there's still no way of removing the headache-inducing drop shadow
[13:11] <nerdshell> can I install the first beta just to try it without any risk ?
[13:12] <gordonjcp> nerdshell: you can run it from a usb stick or cd
[13:12] <gordonjcp> and not install it at all
[13:12] <nerdshell> yeah, I just have to install the osi, in a flash drive?
[13:13] <gordonjcp> nerdshell: pretty much
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> any url on natty improvements?
[13:13] <gordonjcp> I have no idea why they still use .iso files
[13:13] <gordonjcp> does anyone even use CDs any more?
[13:13] <mrdeb> yes
[13:13] <gordonjcp> nerdshell: it's not really worth trying to install
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> for older systems might be usefull gordonjcp
[13:14] <mrdeb> people use discs for movies
[13:14] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: how old?
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> not all systems got usb boot
[13:14] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: I haven't even seen a PC with a CD drive less than ten years old
[13:14] <nerdshell> gordonjcp: no I just download the beta, install it on a flash drive and run Natty from the flash drive that's it
[13:14] <gordonjcp> games consoles aside, I can't remember the last time I used optical media
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> i agree that flash drives are the future
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> but also still everybody uses phyical hd too
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> instead of ssd
[13:15] <gordonjcp> right, but that's not the same thing
[13:15] <nerdshell> gordonjcp: no I just download the beta, install it on a flash drive and run Natty from the flash drive that's it
[13:15] <mrdeb> how do you dispose of a hdd
[13:16] <gordonjcp> nerdshell: you said that already
[13:16] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: I just binned a few
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> im running maverick on ssd
[13:16] <mrdeb> how
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> boots in 5sec
[13:16] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: open bin, drop drive in, close bin
[13:16] <mrdeb> what arey ou talking about
[13:16] <gordonjcp> 13:15 < mrdeb> how do you dispose of a hdd
[13:17] <mrdeb> i mean physicallly
[13:18] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: I just told you, I disposed of some drives recently by throwing them in the bin
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:18] <mrdeb> in the garbage ?
[13:18] <gordonjcp> I suppose technically they should go to some specialised electronic waste disposal centre
[13:19] <mrdeb> what about data cleaning
[13:19] <gordonjcp> there's nothing on them worth bothering about
[13:19] <mrdeb> you dont put any personal things on it
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> some companys recover data
[13:19] <mrdeb> what do you do, keep paper copies
[13:19] <mrdeb> ?
[13:19] <gordonjcp> if you're that fussed, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whatever
[13:19] <gordonjcp> paper copies of what?
[13:19] <mrdeb> personal stuff
[13:20] <gordonjcp> I'm not sure what you mean
[13:20] <gordonjcp> what "personal stuff" would I even keep on a computer?
[13:20] <mrdeb> i mean like bank records taht sort of stuff
[13:20] <mrdeb> what most ppl keep
[13:20] <gordonjcp> well, my bank posts out paper bank statements anyway
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> hd eraser package
[13:20] <phibxr> mrdeb, if your information potentially is worth more than it would cost someone to restore it, then, yes, by all means, destroy the disk physically. :P
[13:21] <gordonjcp> phibxr: well yeah
[13:21] <mrdeb> it's better to be safe
[13:21] <mrdeb> so you use dd to overwrite
[13:21] <gordonjcp> but bear in mind that for any disk larger than about 1GB, a single pass of zeroes will completely destroy all data beyond hope of recovery
[13:21] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: no, the drives were faulty, that's why I binned them
[13:22] <mrdeb> ok, well, we need some way to crush the drive
[13:22] <mrdeb> like crushign cars at a yard
[13:23] <gordonjcp> if someone wants to go through all the trouble and expense of picking through my rubbish to find a broken hard disk and then spend time and money looking at stuff I did ten years ago, then more power to them
[13:23] <mrdeb> well that is yoru choice
[13:23] <mrdeb> but it's not a chance i would want to take
[13:23] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: well, if the drive is faulty, it's faulty and no-one is going to get data off it
[13:24] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: and if it's not faulty, zero it out
[13:24] <mrdeb> if it's faulty, they may be abl eto do it still with techniques
[13:24] <mrdeb> so zero with dd?
[13:24] <mrdeb> 3 tiems
[13:24] <gordonjcp> yeah
[13:24] <gordonjcp> no, just once is enough
[13:24] <mrdeb> what about guttman method, 7 times
[13:24] <gordonjcp> a single pass of *anything* that writes to every sector will do it
[13:25] <gordonjcp> is there an IRC channel specifically for Unity?
[13:26] <ceed^> gordonjcp: Unity is so perfect no one needs to talk about it....not! :)
[13:26] <mrdeb> yes
[13:26] <gordonjcp> ceed^: heh
[13:26] <mrdeb> well that's not what i read about single passes
[13:27] <ceed^> I just discovered the lenses for Unity. That's pretty cool. Trying the Gwibber one now.
[13:27] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: there's a lot of rot talked about how you can deduce what the bit was from the print-through on either side of the track
[13:27] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: but that pertains to very, very old disks
[13:27] <mrdeb> new disks differ?
[13:28] <gordonjcp> massively so
[13:28] <mrdeb> oh really
[13:28] <mrdeb> how so
[13:28] <gordonjcp> making drives hold more data isn't just about making the bits smaller
[13:28] <gordonjcp> there's only so far you can go recording ones and zeroes as flips in the magnetic domain
[13:29] <gordonjcp> modern drives write data to the drive using something not totally unlike QAM
[13:29] <gordonjcp> so a single "bit time" is more like an analogue value that encodes a group of bits
[13:29] <mrdeb> im unfamiliar with oam
[13:29] <mrdeb> how is it safer logically
[13:30] <gordonjcp> the theory was that if you read a bit off a drive that was a 1, then it might actually read as 1.1 meaning it had a bit of "leftover" magnetism from being a 1 before, or 0.9 meaning it was a 0 before
[13:30] <gordonjcp> so you could reconstruct data from the printed-through old data of the last pass
[13:30] <mrdeb> hmm
[13:30] <gordonjcp> now there are more than two values that a bit could be
[13:31] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: okay, QAM - Quadrature Amplitude Modulation - imagine you've got two signals 90 degrees out of phase
[13:31] <mrdeb> they use more than 2 values now?
[13:31] <mrdeb> ok
[13:32] <gordonjcp> depending on which signal is on or off, you have (I=0, Q=0), (I=1, Q=0), (I=0, Q=1) and (I=1, Q=1)
[13:32] <mrdeb> that sound almost unreal that it would work
[13:32] <gordonjcp> where I is "in phase" and Q is "quadrature", or 90 degrees out of phase
[13:32] <gordonjcp> so each "bit time" can then encode two bits
[13:33] <gordonjcp> now in practice you actually use your two phases with more than just on or off
[13:33] <mrdeb> ok
[13:33] <gordonjcp> so a single bit time might encode one of 16 values, or four bits
[13:33] <gordonjcp> or more
[13:33] <gordonjcp> it's how digital TV, cable modems and wifi works
[13:34] <mrdeb> that;s amazing
[13:35] <mrdeb> so there is no recovery way
[13:35] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: not really, no
[13:36] <gordonjcp> you'd have to watch that there wasn't fragments left in mapped-out bad blocks
[13:36] <mrdeb> i'd tsill like to be able to buy something to phsyically crush the device
[13:36] <mrdeb> what do you tihnk of wifi signals, are they safe for the human body?
[13:37] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: got a drill?
[13:37] <gordonjcp> drill some holes through it
[13:37] <mrdeb> what size drill
[13:37] <mrdeb> and i'd need goggle i think
[13:39] <mrdeb> thank for the info
[13:39] <mrdeb> thanks
[13:43] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: small enough that you're not drilling for hours, large enough that you don't have to drill millions of holes
[13:43] <gordonjcp> I'd try about 8-10mm
[13:44] <mrdeb> and drill all the way through
[13:44] <gordonjcp> or just mash it up with a big hammer
[13:45] <mrdeb> that would be more satisfying
[13:45] <mrdeb> you just have to go somewhere where no one sees you lol
[13:53] <mrdeb> hat is the chance of a hard drive failing nowadays
[13:53] <Jeruvy> same as it ever was
[13:54] <mrdeb> how do you dispose of yours
[13:56] <Jeruvy> we have e-cyclers that they are disposed at
[13:56] <mrdeb> where are those located
[13:58] <Jeruvy> check your yellow pages. mrdeb
[14:00] <mrdeb> ~ok
[14:20] <frybye> anybody done a fresh install of natty as dual boot on a pc with win7 and a nvidia gt240?
[14:20] <frybye> if so what problems if any/how to fix...?
[14:20] <mrdeb> i did a fresh install yesterday
[14:21] <frybye> dual boot??? which grafic card?
[14:21] <mrdeb> single boot. nvidia
[14:21] <thiebaude> i did a frsh install i use nvidia 8400 gs, no dual boot :)
[14:21] <thiebaude> fresh
[14:21] <frybye> and it went fine - the live cd works o-of-the-box??
[14:22] <mrdeb> it works, but ther eare issues in the desktop
[14:22] <mrdeb> unity is not finished
[14:22] <Daekdroom> No 3d support out-of-the-box
[14:22] <Daekdroom> But the binary driver is working
[14:22] <frybye> so you install the propriatory drivers or.. to get the 3d..?
[14:22] <thiebaude> the graphical install on the live cd did not worked but i used the text installer
[14:22] <Daekdroom> Yep.
[14:23] <frybye> how to do that - the text install? - need a particular iso for that??
[14:23] <BajK> frybye: the alternate install iso
[14:23] <thiebaude> its an option on the live cd
[14:23] <BajK> any ideas why HTML5 playback is not working? In the Kubuntu release notes for Natty Beta they explicitly claim the better html5 playback support due to gstreamer backend, but all I get in youtube is a black player wit a length of 0 seconds
[14:24] <Daekdroom> BajK, Firefox doesn't have H264 codec.
[14:24] <BajK> Daekdroom: using Rekonq.
[14:24] <thiebaude> well i mean dvd not cd ,lol
[14:24] <frybye> and does one need to know a load of stuff to do a text install?? or does it walk me thru...?
[14:24] <thiebaude> its simple
[14:24] <gordonjcp> right, that's enough Ubuntu Natty for one day
[14:24] <thiebaude> frybye,
[14:24] <BajK> which is also used in the release notes pictures
[14:24] <gordonjcp> reboot time, with an hour or two off for the headache to subside
[14:24] <thiebaude> mainly defaults
[14:25] <sim1> hi all. I run Vidalia in natty, but when i hide the windows the icon doesn't appears. How can i find the hided windows?
[14:25] <mrdeb> gordonjcp: i found an article about new hdds that supports your view
[14:25] <gordonjcp> I wish there was a way to get rid of the drop shadows
[14:25] <frybye> so i d-load and burn the alternate dvd and then what do I do .. sorry but I have no formal it training or very little..?
[14:25] <Daekdroom> BajK, did you tick the option in the installer that installs proprietary software, such as the codecs?
[14:26] <Daekdroom> I have HTML5 playback in Liferea.
[14:26] <thiebaude> just burn it to dvd
[14:26] <BajK> Daekdroom: i did
[14:26] <sim1> hi all. I run Vidalia in natty, but when i hide the windows the icon doesn't appears. How can i find the hided windows?
[14:26] <frybye> thie and when I boot it will walk me thru for a dual boot or...?
[14:26] <BajK> and normally there would be a systray popup indicating "there is additional codecs required for full multimedia capabilities" or something like that
[14:26] <sim1> sorry sorry for double post!
[14:26] <thiebaude> at the partioning part yes
[14:27] <BajK> does the ubuntu alternate installer still not allow to set the Bootable flag ?
[14:27] <thiebaude> you will see options
[14:27] <frybye> e e e with the alternate dvd .. ok I will set up some partitions in advance... one for the natty and one swap at least.. and I hope to gawd that I still have access to my win7 i need for other stuff.. hmmm...
[14:28] <thiebaude> ok good luck frybye  :)
[14:28] <frybye> see you later folks... have another pc if it goes real bad.. bye now..
[14:29]  * thiebaude hopes unity works out for ubuntu
[14:29] <jihedamine> Hi, when booting Natty beta 1 from a live usb, I get a very low brightness with modeset (Intel Corporation Mobile 4 graphics card). Is there a way to fix modesetting ?
[14:31] <BajK> Daekdroom: I already installed all the gstreamer codecs available on the repo but no luck
[14:33] <mrdeb> some p[eople say the new firefox and unity are complete messes
[14:33] <Daekdroom> The new firefox is ok.
[14:33] <mrdeb> where is the home button
[14:33] <mrdeb> menus are slower
[14:33] <gordonjcp> ah, that's better
[14:33] <gordonjcp> back in Arch
[14:33] <frybye> re: I don't find an alternate dvd iso? is it in fact the install/live dvd...? and if so how to I get to do a text install with that...?
[14:33] <mrdeb> arch huh
[14:33] <gordonjcp> jihedamine: don't install natty
[14:33] <gordonjcp> only ever run it from a USB stick
[14:34] <gordonjcp> the installer has a fatal showstopper bug that will destroy your bootloader
[14:34] <mrdeb> oh really
[14:34] <mrdeb> i didnt have a problem thankfull
[14:34] <Daekdroom> mrdeb, I have to agree the home button is in a very strange place, but I changed it.
[14:34] <mrdeb> add on bar is on the bottom too. bad
[14:34] <jihedamine> grodonjcp: ok, but actually even using it as a live disk, it sets brightness to a very low level
[14:35] <frybye> mrdeb forgive my ignorance but I have only every used the gui for installing ubuntu and apparently that does not work with natty/nvidia..
[14:35] <mrdeb> i installed it using the live usb
[14:35] <mrdeb> no issues
[14:35] <Daekdroom> mrdeb, I changed that too :p
[14:35] <frybye> with a nvidia card??
[14:35] <mrdeb> yes, older geforce 6 series
[14:36] <jihedamine> what's strange is that I didn't find similar bug reports
[14:36] <frybye> hmm I have a gt240 not sure if that will be the same - the alpha3 for sure did not work..
[14:36] <mrdeb> well you have a new card, so that may be the issue
[14:36] <phoenix__> hello everyone
[14:36] <frybye> mrdeb not that new - ca 1y or so.. hmmm
[14:36] <jihedamine> beta 1, intel gma, modesetting making brightness extremely low
[14:37] <mrdeb> yeah
[14:37] <frybye> and how to get to the text install - am I right there is no seperate alternate dvd iso??
[14:37] <charlie-tca> correct, there is a text installer cd only
[14:37] <mrdeb> has anyone tried doing a base install and installing regular gnome over it
[14:37] <mrdeb> does it still bring in other dependencies
[14:38] <frybye> oh right... will look for that charlie-tca
[14:38] <charlie-tca> it is in the daily image -
[14:38] <charlie-tca> !daily
[14:39] <phoenix__> flash videos are not getting hardware accelerated. My GPU is Nvidia 9400 Gt . I have installed the proprietary software using the jockey. How do is know that VDPAU is working properly?
[14:39] <gordonjcp> oh well
[14:39] <gordonjcp> Ubuntu's just killed itself
[14:39] <mrdeb> there is aplugin for flash acceleration
[14:39] <mrdeb> gordonjcp: are you using arch
[14:40] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: I am now; after updating Natty my bootloader was destroyed
[14:40] <gordonjcp> mrdeb: so I've reinstalled grub so it's back the way it should be
[14:40] <mrdeb> of the update did it?
[14:40] <gordonjcp> that's about the end of the line for Ubuntu, as far as I'm concerned
[14:40] <mrdeb> how did you reinsall grub.
[14:40] <gordonjcp> booted into Arch, ran grub-install
[14:40] <mrdeb> on the drive itself
[14:41] <mrdeb> arch still uses 0.98 grub though
[14:41] <mrdeb> you can still use lts
[14:41] <mrdeb> unity shoul be fixed in a few years
[14:44] <Daekdroom> I want to move to Gnome shell asap
[14:45] <mrdeb> it should be otu soon, i think
[14:45] <gordonjcp> Daekdroom: that's got much the same problems as Unity
[14:50] <mikehh> hi, any devs around?
[14:52] <mrdeb> i dont know , but you can ask your quesiton
[14:53] <mikehh> ok, I installed libc6 and libc6-dev and it does not install things like libm.a etc
[14:53] <mikehh> anywhere that I can find
[14:54] <mikehh> I checked this on Ubuntu i386 11.04 beta and Kubuntu amd64 11.04 beta (they are in 10.10 on both)
[14:55] <mrdeb> hmm. i dont know
[14:55] <damien> anyone know if unity is now able to specify which monitor (on a dual monitor setup) contains the unity bar?
[14:55] <mrdeb> can you just dpkg install it
[14:55] <mrdeb> i ahvent tried that, Daekdroom
[14:55] <mrdeb> damien:
[14:55] <damien> hi mrdeb
[14:56] <mrdeb> hi
[14:56] <sburwood1> could I get feedback on 11.04?  Is it stable? Is the Wubi problem solved?  If I have 10.10 64bit, will I safely be able to update?
[14:56] <mrdeb> i installed it yesterday, 32bit
[14:56] <mrdeb> tried out both
[14:57] <sburwood1> and ...?
[14:57] <damien> sburwood1: if you want long term stability, i have always found it best to wait until milestone is released
[14:57] <sburwood1> damien: You mean when the final release comes out on Apr 29th?
[14:57] <mrdeb> someone had isues with grub update breaking it
[14:57] <damien> mrdeb: i am not on nvidia myself but seen this - http://askubuntu.com/questions/17074/dual-monitor-unity-launcher-opening-on-wrong-monitor
[14:57] <mrdeb> windows are blank hwen using unity sometimes
[14:57] <damien> sburwood1: bingo
[14:57] <mrdeb> it uses a LOT of ram
[14:57] <sburwood1> ok
[14:58] <sburwood1> Is 3GB enough?
[14:58] <m4rtin> damien: someone said earlier that it will go to the leftmost monitor of the setup
[14:58] <mrdeb> but yo ucan work with it
[14:58] <mrdeb> yes, it uses like 800mb tops
[14:58] <m4rtin> damien: didn't say whether it could be changed
[14:58] <sburwood1> brb bye
[14:59] <damien> aye
[15:00] <damien> i would have expected that, but it recognizes my left/right setup (as in, where the mouse will extend to) but unity is still on the right monitor
[15:00] <lcb> mikehh, http://packages.ubuntu.com/ca/natty/i386/libc6-dev/filelist
[15:02] <mikehh> lcb: I checked that and it should contain things like /usr/lib/libm.a and others
[15:02] <lcb> damien, i had same issue as yours and with updates was fixed. try failsafe and reconfigure defaults
[15:03] <lcb> mikehh, is listed as one of installed files
[15:04] <damien> at the moment i have no choice but to failsake, reconfigure and restart x to actually boot
[15:04] <lcb> mikehh, with synaptics, for example, open 'installed files
[15:04] <damien> i'm going to try out a live os now
[15:04] <lcb> damien, i would do that...
[15:05] <lcb> damien, but if not fixed yet it will be. on mine is fixed. not the option to select on what monitor we want to have the bar
[15:05] <mikehh> lcb - it ain't there plus a whole bunch of other libraries required by gcc/g++ with -lm etc
[15:06] <lcb> mikehh, hmm try install linux headers, if not
[15:06] <mikehh> lcb, been there, done that, something is serioously wrong here
[15:07] <lcb> mikehh, apt-get -f install && apt-get check
[15:08] <lcb> both do more or less the same but.. just in case
[15:08] <mikehh> lcb: I tried building perl 5.12.3 and the libraries just are not anywhere
[15:09] <lcb> mikehh, other option is booting to grub recovery and trying to automatically check for things wrong. (shift before grub loading)
[15:10] <Milos_SD> Hi
[15:10] <mikehh> lcb: the install files list for libc and libc-dev is incomplete (compared with 10.10 for example)
[15:10] <Milos_SD> When I minimize some application, and then focuse it again, I lose main menu from global menu ...
[15:11] <Milos_SD> Only "File -> Close" is displayed
[15:11] <jiohdi> I followed the instructions for upgrading to 11.04 beta, but when I type cat /etc/*release* it still tells me that its 10.10
[15:11] <jiohdi> what should I be doing?
[15:12] <lcb> mikehh, i would update/upgrade everything. don't forget things are still very volatile at the moment so frequent updates are necessary, besides -f install(s)
[15:13] <lcb> Milos_SD, maximize it and youĺl get the menus. drag to one of the sides of display
[15:14] <charlie-tca> jiohdi: you should file a bug agains update-manager for that issue.
[15:14] <jiohdi> the update-manager did not seem to have the right setting for upgrading.... it did not have a release button as the instructions indicated
[15:14] <jiohdi> but there should be a command line to do it, no?
[15:15] <Milos_SD> lcb, you don't get what I want to say. I have Firefox or Evolution maximized (there is a menu), I minimized them, and then maximize again, I don't have a menu :(
[15:15] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[15:15] <lcb> jiohdi, should say: DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu | DISTRIB_RELEASE=11.04 | DISTRIB_CODENAME=natty | DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu Natty (development branch)". something went wrong in there
[15:16] <jiohdi> what is the command line to do a distro upgrade?
[15:16] <charlie-tca> jiohdi: the correct command is update-manager -d as the release specify
[15:17] <charlie-tca> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[15:17] <BluesKaj> jiohdi, sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:17] <lcb> jiohdi,  update-manager -d
[15:17] <lcb> oops
[15:17] <BluesKaj> jiohdi, sudo do-release-upgrade -d for natty
[15:17] <jiohdi> actually the update-manager -d seems to be working
[15:18] <lcb> jid
[15:18] <mrdeb> oh really
[15:18] <mrdeb> jiohdi: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:18] <lcb> jiohdi, do a update then upgrade then dist-upgrade before anything else
[15:18] <BluesKaj> jiohdi, update manager works...if you trust update managers:)
[15:18] <mrdeb> before it, run apt-get update
[15:18] <mrdeb>  i purged update manager
[15:18] <jiohdi> all done... but the update manager ran with the option to upgrade and its working
[15:18] <charlie-tca> jiohdi: again, I would suggest reading the release notes, also. Just to avoid nasty surprises
[15:19] <lcb> of course, read that on the url you got the image
[15:19] <jiohdi> charlie-tca, sure... when is the official release sch for?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> jiohdi,  we should have advised you to remove or disable any ppas added after your last install
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Officially end of april see
[15:19] <charlie-tca> !schedule
[15:21] <BluesKaj> mrdeb, then run sudo do-release-upgrade -d . no need for update manager
[15:21] <mrdeb> i know how to do it
[15:21] <lcb> Milos_SD, sorry, missed ur last comment. check on top left near the menu/bar icon
[15:22] <Milos_SD> lcb, I know where main menu is on panel... But after minimize -> maximize, I only get this in global menu "File -> Close"
[15:24] <lcb> Milos_SD, there are still things to be fixed, that is one of them for sure. even tough there the menu items should be shown, on the active app window or pannel's top left
[15:24] <mrdeb> is anyone here using the LTS release still
[15:25] <mrdeb> i think there was a notable upgrade with the .30 kernel
[15:26] <lcb> Milos_SD, try dragging a bit that active window... ALT + drag
[15:28] <Milos_SD> lcb, doesn't help ... there is one more thing I noticed now... It only happends if I minimize all apps, and go to desktop... If I have some other app maximized, menu is showed after I restore minimized app ... :S
[15:34] <rigved> hi everyone...when i tried to use synaptic to install python unittest2 and importlib, it showed an empty UNAUTHENTICATED category. also, it said that amount to download was nil (0 KB).
[15:34] <rigved> so i cancelled it and ran synaptic again. this time it downloaded and installed the two packages properly.
[15:35] <IdleOne> glitch in the matrix maybe
[15:35] <lcb> rigved, sometimes reloading helps
[15:36] <rigved> IdleOne, lcb: ya reloading did work
[15:36] <rigved> hopefully not a problem...
[15:37] <lcb> internet one, probably. repos not loaded
[15:38] <rigved> lcb: seemed that they were loaded. because i only cancelled and clicked on apply again, without reloading the repos or restarting
[15:40] <lcb> rigved, don't worry about it. in Libya is worst :)
[15:40] <rigved> lcb: :)
[15:41] <rigved> also, i wanted to ask why does synaptic ask for my password everytime i start it. it should cache the password for some time, like maybe not the ask the password for 5 minutes after it was entered successfully
[15:42] <rigved> like it currently works in lucid. it shows a key sign in the top panel for as long as i can do chain administrative tasks without entering my password
[15:42] <charlie-tca> rigved: change in how it is handled due to security concerns
[15:43] <delac> charlie-tca: oh, what kind of security concerns?
[15:44] <rigved> charlie-tca: ok. you mean like the small gap in which all admin tasks can be completed without the need for the password?
[15:44] <charlie-tca> I think the fact that if the password is left open after the app closes, someone else can come along, gain access to root , and do harm
[15:44] <rigved> that was a security risk? got it
[15:44] <mrdeb> how many times do you need to keep synaptic open
[15:44] <mrdeb> open it one and leave it open
[15:45] <delac> charlie-tca: does this affect the terminal too?
[15:45] <rigved> mrdeb: actually i'm working on fixing a bug that requires all package managers to be closed before the app is run
[15:45] <charlie-tca> delac: I don't know
[15:45] <mrdeb> hmm
[15:45] <mrdeb> is the bug in lts?
[15:46] <delac> charlie-tca: is there a thread somewhere where this decision was made?
[15:47] <charlie-tca> I can't honestly remember where I saw it discussed, whether it was an ML or on IRC.
[15:54]  * thiebaude updates, yay,lol :)
[15:55] <delac> did they fix the panel shadow problem?
[15:55] <jiohdi> it says 3hrs to do the upgrade... doe that sound right?
[15:56] <jiohdi> anyone know if docky has any issues with 11.04?
[15:56] <shaneo> hey guys having this error
[15:56] <shaneo> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 7859B2D5CA763386
[15:56] <shaneo> can anyone help ?
[15:58] <jiohdi> shaneo, you can find the public key by google search
[15:58] <shaneo> where do i put it when i find it
[15:58] <jiohdi> and how to install it
[15:58] <shaneo> ok thank you
[15:58] <jiohdi> there is usually a wget command
[15:59] <adz21c> Hi, I have installed Kubuntu Natty Beta 1 (actually I have been using it since about Alpha 2). Since then when ever I reboot into Windows (7) I get a "Crtical Kernel-Power" error which forces a reboot after which the PC returns to normal. Additionally instead of a rebooting if I shutdown then the next time I boot the PC forces a reboot mid post so the next post fails stating my previous boot failed. Any ideas why this could be
[15:59] <adz21c> happening or how I could go about identifying the issue? (Note I tried a 10.10 live CD today and that does not cause the issue)
[16:01] <trancegeek> ok why can't i use wep with adhoc on 11.04?
[16:01] <trancegeek> i set it up for wep etc
[16:01] <lcb> adz21c, Beta 1 with WUBI?
[16:01] <trancegeek> and it just creates an ad hoc network that's unsecured
[16:02] <jiohdi> wubi should be banned... it cripples systems
[16:02] <adz21c> lcb: Wubi is the windows based installer right?
[16:02] <thiebaude> !wubi
[16:02] <lcb> adz21c, yes
[16:02] <thiebaude> :)
[16:02] <adz21c> lcb: No I used Live CD
[16:02] <trancegeek> agrees, wubi should be removed
[16:03] <thiebaude> yes it should, i agree
[16:03] <trancegeek> it adds compatibility issues clearly
[16:03] <lcb> adz21c, not recommended on this beta
[16:03] <lcb> yet
[16:03] <jiohdi> wubi generally works fine until the first update, than the records change and it makes everything go haywire
[16:03] <trancegeek> any idea what's up with adhoc in networkmanager?
[16:04] <trancegeek> i can't get it to work with wep, it just creates the network without security even if it's set up for wep
[16:04] <adz21c> lcb: but how would wubi improve my install to prevent this error?
[16:05] <lcb> adz21c, not at this stage Release note: "There is a known issue (746257) that prevents Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 from being used with WUBI at this time. Please consider waiting for a few more days for updated desktop images that fix this issue, or use the Live CD or USB images to try out Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1. "
[16:05] <jiohdi> wubi creates a very large file within windows 7 it does not make a true install, and when the points change due to update, it makes the boot system go crazy
[16:05] <jiohdi> pointers*
[16:05] <adz21c> lcb: I am a bit lost at what you are getting at, i installed with the Live CD, not Wubi
[16:05] <thiebaude> when i used wubi in windows 7 one tiome, i could not get it off the mbr,lol
[16:05] <thiebaude> time
[16:05] <lcb> adz21c, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[16:05] <thiebaude> windows mbr
[16:06] <jiohdi> adz21c, sorry, misunderstood...
[16:06] <adz21c> np
[16:06]  * jiohdi is emotional over wubi past
[16:06] <lcb> adz21c, i know. i just explained not to install with WUBI
[16:07] <adz21c> lcb: and I am saying I didn't but I have this issue
[16:07] <lcb> adz21c, btw, get the images from that url
[16:08] <adz21c> lcb: I got my images from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/natty/beta-1/kubuntu-11.04-beta1-dvd-amd64.iso
[16:08] <lcb> adz21c, things are being fixed. i hope you didn't mess your system due to that
[16:09] <adz21c> lcb: system seems to cope, just irritating :-) figure now its in beta i should raise
[16:09] <lcb> yes, it's good so developers would be alerted to that
[16:10] <adz21c> i thought i would come in here first tho so I could get tips on what information to provide (or if its known bug) and where to raise something
[16:12] <lcb> !bugs
[16:12] <adz21c> thanks
[16:13] <lcb> :)
[16:13] <shaneo> whats the official release date of natty
[16:14] <thiebaude> april 28th
[16:14] <trancegeek> would still like to know what's up with networkmanager and securing adhoc networks
[16:14] <shaneo> cool
[16:14] <shaneo> prerrt close niw
[16:15] <thiebaude> yep not long now :)
[16:15] <trancegeek> would still like to know what's up with networkmanager and securing adhoc networks
[16:17]  * thiebaude unity 2d looks awesome :)
[16:17] <trancegeek> actually tbh ad hoc really works about as good as a soup sandwich...
[16:17] <trancegeek> yeah... unity is about the only thing in 11.04 that's worth a shit
[16:17] <trancegeek> and even that's buggy
[16:17] <trancegeek> GRRRRRR
[16:18] <trancegeek> what is it like 8 years now guys? COME ON CANONICAL SRSLY
[16:19] <jiohdi> something wrong with a soup sandwich
[16:20] <trancegeek> ok i'm pretty sure i set a wep key...
[16:20] <trancegeek> and it looks pretty unsecured to me
[16:38] <AnAnt> Hello, is there some sort of setting (gconf maybe) to change the default session to Classic instead of Unity ?
[16:38] <ceed^> Hi, When will Google Calendar work in Evolution again in Natty? It's been weeks...
[16:40] <charlie-tca> AnAnt: What about just choosing it from the gdm login screen?
[16:41] <charlie-tca> It defaults to whatever you used last
[16:43] <m4rtin> what was ceed^ talking about? seems to work fine for me
[16:50] <AnAnt> charlie-tca: I am working on a derivative distro, and I want the default setting to be Classic instead of Unity
[16:51] <charlie-tca> I see, so you need that on the installer, probably. The people in #ubuntu-installer during the week know how to do that. They aren't around much on weekends, though.
[16:51] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[16:58] <bitplane> Hi. I installed via update-manager -d, after a reboot I don't get a login screen
[16:58] <bitplane> I cant ctrl+alt+f1 and get to a login prompt. looks like wayland and unity aren't started
[16:59] <bitplane> I *CAN* ctrl+alt+f1
[16:59] <bitplane> where do I find logs and stuff to diagnose the problem and report the bug?
[17:13] <Travis-42> does unity in 11.04 work fine with multi monitor setups? how does it deal with the global menu bar for multiple monitors?
[17:16] <m4rtin> Travis-42: seems to position bar on leftmost monitor (according to a convo I had earlier)
[17:17] <m4rtin> bitplane: are you using X or Wayland?
[17:17] <m4rtin> bitplane: you indicated Wayland, but this is *extremely* unstable and not supported
[17:19] <Travis-42> m4rtin, hm, so it won't have a bar on each monitor... that might be weird. thanks. I'll have to be sure to test rather than just upgrade.
[17:19] <opiate> Hello, i just upgraded my computer to 11.04, but the boot procedure stops right after loading the Gnome  Display Manager  what can i do? Before the update i had a Problem with GDM aswell: see https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+question/151378 t
[17:20] <opiate> while using the failsafe boot i get an error while trying to startx
[17:21] <trism> Travis-42: for me, it is positioning the menubar on the monitor that has the active window
[17:22] <trism> Travis-42: and when I drag between monitors, the menubar follows the app
[17:24] <jester7> My touchpad settings seem to be lost after reboots and resumes.  I've fixed the bootup problem, as putting synclient parms in the startup works well.  How can I get these to happen when I resume?
[17:24] <bitplane> figured it out. x was crashing due to the ati drivers I manually installed, removed them and it looks a bit better
[17:27] <Travis-42> trism, so if you click on an app on a different monitor, the menubar jumps to the other one?
[17:29] <trism> Travis-42: yes
[17:29] <trism> Travis-42: although, since it is hidden unless you hover over it, it is just the app name that appears
[17:30] <Travis-42> hmm ok thanks trism
[17:31] <opiate> bitplane: were you referring to my problem? anyway will try to deinstall my ati drivers as well
[17:34] <phoenix__> Amarok volume control problem. http://imagebin.org/146430
[17:34] <phoenix__> i am using kubuntu 11.04 beta 1
[17:42] <opiate> how can i switch back to meerkat?
[17:44] <mikehh> ok - the files that were installed in /usr/lib in 10.10 are installed in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ from libc6-dev in 11.04 i386 and 11.04 amd64 respectively - why the change?
[17:44] <mikehh> the compiler does not seem to know about it
[17:45] <mikehh> I wolud need to include this stuff specifically in the path
[17:56] <phil> Ubuntu Beta: the installer is still in the menu after the install, is this normal behaviour?
[17:58] <charlie-tca> phil: should not be there after a restart
[17:58] <phil> bug then.
[17:59] <charlie-tca> unless the cd/usb used to install is still in the drive
[17:59] <phil> nope
[17:59] <phil> wonder if i can just remove ubiquity?
[17:59] <phil> i didnt see this in any bug report thought
[18:01] <charlie-tca> ubiquity is there too? It doesn't usually get installed
[18:01] <charlie-tca> It is the installer for the desktop cd, but does not actually get installed to the system
[18:05] <phil> ubiquity is in /usr/bin, /usr/lib, usr/share and has a man page locally on this drive
[18:06] <phil> looks like i will have to reinstall for the final i guess
[18:06] <phil> only safe thing to do
[18:07] <yofel> mikehh: that's multiarch related, I don't know much about it, but the paths are in the ld.conf and most build systems should have it in their search paths by now
[18:09] <delac> btw, has anyone found a way to customize the Dash (menu opened from the topleft ubuntu logo)?
[18:10] <mikehh> yofel: I tried building perl 5.12.3 and it did not find them
[18:12] <Testt> hi
[18:12] <alexs> has anyone managed to get xmonad to work under gnome in natty yet?
[18:12] <alexs> the gconftool method of replacing metacity no longer seems to work
[18:13] <techbreak> hi i want to create contdown banner for my site. how do i do this ?
[18:13] <techbreak> for ubuntu 11.04
[18:13] <Testt> dont know
[18:13] <Testt> you can test www.snowlinux.de/
[18:15] <delac> what are these drive by commersials for snowlinux? :)
[18:17] <fireboy> hi :) I'm playing with natty (under kde), and it appears desktop effects wont activate. Are there any standard tests or known issues about this ?
[18:18] <frankwe> hi, i'm having trouble with the global menu disappearing for some applications constantly (it just shows the File entry) at the same time since a while. any hints on how to find out what's wrong and for which component to file the bug?
[18:19] <frankwe> i only get it back when quitting and restarting the applications. it happens with gnome-terminal, evolution, firefox, for instance
[18:20] <russjr08> frankwe, I have the same problem
[18:20] <frankwe> russjr08: did you find any bug on launchpad? i couldn't find anything yet
[18:20] <delac> frankwe: as well
[18:20] <russjr08> frankwe, No, been looking but haven't found it
[18:20] <delac> delac: maybe someone should file one, then
[18:21] <russjr08> What's the global menu called
[18:22] <frankwe> i think it's appmenu-gtk and indicator-appmenu
[18:25] <delac> this seems like related bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-appmenu/+bug/730169
[18:27] <russjr08> That seems to be correct
[18:27] <russjr08> But I don't know why the priority is low...
[18:28] <frankwe> russjr08: i wondered that too, it seems they don't know there's more than one effected by this ;)
[18:28] <russjr08> I have subscribed to that Bug and marked it as affecting me
[18:28] <frankwe> i'm not sure if it is because compiz dies here, might be it didn't without me noticing it
[18:30] <incorrect> well i have to admin the beta is super fast on this netbook
[18:30] <russjr08> I think it has something to do with compiz crashing
[18:31] <russjr08> usually that causes the appmenus to go wonky over here
[18:32] <incorrect> compiz does seem to crash a fair bit still
[18:37] <russjr08> yeah
[18:37] <delac> well, I did have slight problems with the menus a while ago, but now the bug doesn't appear even if I crash the compiz. Maybe they did some update?
[18:37] <a931bw>  Guys, i have debian, and i veeery want unity, i added unity daily ppa, and it wanted alot of software i hadn't in repo's so i just added Natty repos
[18:37] <a931bw> am i crazy?
[18:38] <delac> a931bw: better prepare for troubles, I think :)
[18:38] <a931bw> i never used debian sid
[18:38] <pavanai> cant boot ot ubuntu ultimate
[18:38] <a931bw> because i though its too unstable
[18:39] <a931bw> and using natty O_o
[18:39] <pavanai> delac, help pls....
[18:40] <pavanai> got struck while booting ubuntu ue 2.8!!!!
[18:40] <a931bw> Errors were encountered while processing:
[18:40] <a931bw>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev_2.23.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[18:40] <a931bw> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:40] <a931bw> ┌─[a931bw@Brutus-F3Sg][~]
[18:40] <a931bw> what's that? O_O
[18:40] <a931bw> is this packet important?
[18:41] <delac> a931bw: I say you are going to the deep end now. I recommend you don't do that unless you can swim ;)
[18:42] <a931bw> i'm ready for troubles :)
[18:42] <a931bw> ok
[18:42] <a931bw> this packet doesn't install because of
[18:42] <a931bw>  python-dbg : Depends: python (= 2.7.1-0ubuntu5) but 2.6.6-3+squeeze6 is to be installed
[18:42] <a931bw>  python-dev : Depends: python (= 2.7.1-0ubuntu5) but 2.6.6-3+squeeze6 is to be installed
[18:43] <yofel> pavanai: this channel is for natty narwhal (11.04) support only, please ask in #ubuntu
[18:44] <a931bw> how to get newest python in debian?
[18:44] <a931bw> i need 2.7.1
[18:44] <a931bw> :(
[18:44] <pavanai> yofel, in ubuntu we can discuss only ubuntu not ultimate....
[18:44] <a931bw> i connected natty repo's
[18:44] <a931bw> pavanai
[18:44] <a931bw> don't mention ultimate
[18:44] <a931bw> its same
[18:44] <a931bw> just new themes
[18:44] <a931bw> and scrips
[18:44] <yofel> pavanai: then check the website where their support channel is, maybe the folks in #ubuntu-beginners can help you
[18:45] <yofel> a931bw: from natty maybe, although I seriously doubt squeeze and natty are going to mix well
[18:45] <a931bw> ok
[18:45] <yofel> note: even debian experimental has only 2.6
[18:45] <a931bw> wish me luck
[18:45] <frankwe1> a931bw: ubuntu != debian + newer package versions, it won't work out what you are trying
[18:45] <a931bw> i'm going to boot without libgtk
[18:45] <a931bw> frankwel
[18:45] <a931bw> i'm bored with my wheezy
[18:45] <a931bw> i need to reinstall it
[18:45] <a931bw> so i though
[18:45] <a931bw> ill mess with it alittle
[18:45] <a931bw> do some crazy stuff :)
[18:45] <delac> a931bw: I recommend to keep rescue disk very close ;)
[18:46] <a931bw> i have one
[18:46] <a931bw> :)
[18:46] <yofel> good :)
[18:46] <a931bw> and /home on another partition
[18:46] <a931bw> :D
[18:46] <pavanai> a931bw, can u hlp me?
[18:46] <yofel> even better ^^
[18:46] <frybye> re: just installed natty as dual boot with win7 on pc with nvidia gt240 - only runs at all in safe video but then there is only the colored desktop background and not control features.. to put differently how to install the nvidia restricted grafic package from the comand prompt?
[18:46] <yofel> pavanai: still wrong channel, unless you're using natty
[18:46] <frybye> e e e and NO control features...
[18:46] <Pax-Man> Hi guys, today I installed Ubuntu 11.04 beta and it word very well - to be honest I loved it. Therefore I spend time upgrading my graphic card driver, which I used the Ubuntu GUI for. Unfortuantly it made my screen almost black but it seems the software workes expect from that graphic flaw. I've searched forums, any ideas?
[18:47] <a931bw> ok
[18:47] <pavanai> yofel, if a931bw  can help?
[18:47] <a931bw> logouting into unity
[18:47] <a931bw> i can't sorry
[18:47] <yofel> frybye: sudo jockey-text
[18:47] <charlie-tca> frybye: logout, choose classic-session, login and install drivers
[18:47] <yofel> frybye: that should work I think as long as you have a wired connection
[18:48] <frybye> how to login with clasic???
[18:48] <charlie-tca> pick the user name, then choose session at the bottom of the login screen
[18:48] <charlie-tca> then enter password
[18:49] <frybye> there dosent seem to be anything at bottom of login screen??
[18:50] <frybye> but I will go check out of here and try again to be sure.. see you...
[18:50] <yofel> frybye: you need to pick the user name first before they show up
[18:50] <charlie-tca> It only shows up afte you pick a user
[18:52] <russjr08> Actually I am also having a problem with the Messaging Indicator not updating too
[18:52] <russjr08> I get the notify osd notification that I have an email message but the little envelope icon doesn't turn blue (using evolution)
[18:54] <Chr|s> well I tried installing gnome 3 through the ppa
[18:54] <Chr|s> didn't work
[18:55] <a931bw> yay
[18:55] <a931bw> it doesn't work :)
[18:55] <a931bw> and my gnome is f up
[18:55] <a931bw> now i'm writing from trinity
[18:55] <benzaldehyde> a931bw: sorry to hear that.
[18:55] <a931bw> ok
[18:55] <a931bw> ill wait for natty release
[18:55] <a931bw> then ill get it working
[18:55] <a931bw> now
[18:56] <a931bw> how to get rid of gnome?
[18:56] <benzaldehyde> why not install fluxbox
[18:56] <a931bw> completely
[18:56] <a931bw> i have it
[18:56] <a931bw> using sometimes
[18:56] <Chr|s> benzaldehyde: did you install gnome 3 through ppa?
[18:56] <benzaldehyde> a931bw: i'm running natty on ps3 in fluxbox, watching a movie, irssi and firefox
[18:56] <a931bw> yeah i know flux is awesome
[18:56] <a931bw> i love it too
[18:56] <a931bw> but
[18:56] <a931bw> now i wanted to try unity ;)
[18:57] <benzaldehyde> Chr|s: i installed. it was awesome
[18:57] <a931bw> and how to get rid of gnome?
[18:57] <a931bw> completely?
[18:57] <Chr|s> benzaldehyde: hmm I used this page as a guide and nothing changed, just errors http://askubuntu.com/questions/22946/how-do-i-install-the-latest-version-of-gnome-3
[18:57] <benzaldehyde> Chr|s: pluged my ps3 directly into the router and was able to do all the tthe installer for ppc alternate required
[18:57] <frybye> back - I can only start in recovery mode and then safe grafic and there is no clasic or similar choice at the bottom of *that* login screen - just a thing that says "universal access mode."
[18:58] <a931bw> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[18:58] <a931bw> how to unlock it?
[18:58] <a931bw> i killed apt
[18:58] <a931bw> so it didn't unlock
[18:58] <benzaldehyde> Chr|s: what are you talking about? somethign the matter?
[18:59] <a931bw> found out already
[18:59] <benzaldehyde> Chr|s: gnome comes pre-installed
[18:59] <Chr|s> benzaldehyde: just unable to install gnome 3 and get it workng and havig the option to use unity or gnome
[18:59] <a931bw> reastaring once again
[18:59] <a931bw> should've be fixed now
[18:59] <benzaldehyde> Chr|s: i went into the nome and disabled unity trhough startup apps
[19:00] <incorrect> shame the eclipse menu doesn't get integrated into the top bar
[19:00] <benzaldehyde> i hate resource heavy junk
[19:01] <benzaldehyde> Chr|s: i'm watching clue.avi
[19:01] <Chr|s> have no idea what that is
[19:01] <benzaldehyde> natty is great
[19:01] <frybye> who was helping me a bit back with this dual boot box with the nvidia gt240 ...?
[19:01] <a931bw> fuck it guys
[19:01] <benzaldehyde> an 80's movie based on the board game
[19:01] <a931bw> sorry for swer
[19:02] <Chr|s> ahh
[19:02] <a931bw> could someone give me sources.list
[19:02] <a931bw> of natty/
[19:02] <a931bw> ill change it
[19:02] <a931bw> and do dist upgrade
[19:02] <a931bw> either works
[19:02] <a931bw> or i'm resintalling
[19:02] <Chr|s> alwyas best to do a complete reinstall
[19:02] <a931bw> nah
[19:02] <a931bw> i'm feeeling like doing expiriments now :D
[19:02] <frybye> can only boot to recovery mode and then with safe grafic and then I have no control features at all - just the colored desktop background and find no way to boot to classic or how to install the nvidea proprietory drivers from a command line?
[19:03] <russjr08> a931bw, where is sources.list again?
[19:03] <frybye> sbdy gave me an answer for the command line install of nvidia but i was tied up in the other problems.. again pse?
[19:03] <russjr08> I can pastebin mine if you want
[19:03] <a931bw>   /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:04] <nit-wit> /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:04] <russjr08> a931bw, this is what I got http://paste.ubuntu.com/589001/
[19:04] <russjr08> It looks incomplete
[19:05] <russjr08> at least that was the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[19:05] <a931bw> ok
[19:05] <a931bw> its enough ;)
[19:05] <a931bw> doing dist upgrade now
[19:06] <benzaldehyde> a931bw: sure, how can i send a file on irssi
[19:06] <a931bw> idk
[19:06] <delac> frybye: does alt-f2 bring up the Run-Application for you?
[19:06] <a931bw>  libgtk2.0-dev : Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev (>= 2.21.0) but it is not installed
[19:06] <a931bw>  python-dbg : Depends: python (= 2.7.1-0ubuntu5) but 2.6.6-3+squeeze6 is installed
[19:06] <a931bw>  python-dev : Depends: python (= 2.7.1-0ubuntu5) but 2.6.6-3+squeeze6 is installed
[19:06] <a931bw> O_o
[19:06] <arand> benzaldehyde: Use pastebinit
[19:06] <a931bw> i have natty repo's
[19:06] <a931bw> and aptget update is done
[19:06] <frybye> no nothing works but the colored background and the cursor move - no keys do anything apparently...
[19:07] <yofel> a931bw: then other things depend on the 2.6 one and apt decides that this is the sanest resolution
[19:07] <frybye> but from the recovery mode entry page i can get to a command line...
[19:07] <frybye> with network...
[19:08] <yofel> frybye: even in gnome classic? I do get the same thing out of unity here though
[19:08] <a931bw> how do i get rid of it?
[19:08] <a931bw> ┌─[a931bw@Brutus-F3Sg][~]
[19:08] <a931bw> └─╼ sudo apt-get remove python-*
[19:08] <a931bw> ?
[19:08] <yofel> a931bw: dunno, try aptitude, it will tell you a bit more about what's the problem
[19:08] <yofel> nice zsh prompt btw. ^^
[19:09] <a931bw> y
[19:09] <a931bw> ty
[19:09] <a931bw> is there any way
[19:09] <a931bw> i could remove al packets
[19:10] <a931bw> and leave only base system?
[19:10] <xgt001> hey everyone
[19:11] <yofel> well, you can remove as much as you want, but I seriously doubt this has any chance of working
[19:11] <xgt001> can any1 help regarding battery life in natty for a laptop with ati graphics
[19:11] <yofel> except that you can't remove essential packages, apt will warn there
[19:12] <a931bw> ok my system is f* up now
[19:12] <a931bw> now i have dilemma
[19:12] <a931bw> fix it
[19:12] <a931bw> or reinstall it
[19:12] <a931bw> reinstalling it isn't unix way :(
[19:13] <yofel> well, you can look at the apt history and downgrade/reinstall all packages that were ugraded
[19:13] <a931bw> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[19:13] <a931bw> E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/
[19:13] <a931bw> what's that/
[19:13] <xgt001> i am getting hardly one hour battery in natty :( windows gives me 4 hours :(
[19:13] <a931bw> sudo apt-get -f upgrade
[19:14] <yofel> a931bw: something locked the apt .deb cache
[19:14] <yofel> got another apt open?
[19:14] <xgt001> a931bw: u might be having some other app downloading in background lik synaptic
[19:14] <a931bw> ok
[19:14] <a931bw> made killall -9 apt
[19:14] <a931bw> worked now
[19:15] <a931bw> doing upgrade
[19:15] <a931bw> i think
[19:15] <a931bw> i'm making frankenstain
[19:16] <skpl> can someone help me? i installed natty but  i cantr get the panel to load
[19:16] <skpl> all i have is a background
[19:17] <a931bw> O_O
[19:17] <a931bw> downloading now kdewallpapers
[19:18] <delac> skpl: have you tried to login to the Ubuntu Classic-desktop?
[19:18] <a931bw> apt-get upgrade
[19:18] <a931bw> ahhh
[19:18] <a931bw> i have kde instlaled
[19:18] <delac> a931bw: is there any desktop enviroment you dont have? :)
[19:18] <benzaldehyde> http://pastebin.com/FWLW8BPk
[19:18] <skpl> delac: no not yet
[19:19] <skpl> how do i logout when i dont have a panel?
[19:19] <a931bw> yeah
[19:19] <a931bw> wait no
[19:19] <a931bw> i have kde 4
[19:19] <a931bw> kde 3 , xfce , gnome
[19:19] <delac> can you alt-f2?
[19:19] <a931bw> damn i have them all
[19:19] <a931bw> and couple WM's
[19:19] <skpl> delac: no
[19:20] <yofel> a931bw: actually you're missing LXDE ^^
[19:20] <delac> well, then ctlr-alt-f2
[19:20] <charlie-tca> skpl: Alt+PrntScn+k
[19:20] <a931bw> aww :(
[19:20] <a931bw> ill install it soon :D
[19:20] <a931bw> to have full pack
[19:21] <skpl> delac: it said fail to load ubuntu classic desktop
[19:21] <delac> a931bw: ...
[19:22] <a931bw> actually i had it
[19:22] <a931bw> but removed awhile ago
[19:22] <delac> skpl: well, then you can try the NoEffects desktop and after that the Failsafe
[19:23] <moreral> hello
[19:23] <mateobur> Hello
[19:23] <mateobur> How can I configure the launcher?
[19:24] <RoDiMuS-X> Any idea if ATI 4200 series Video Card is going to support Unity by the release
[19:24] <a931bw> any way to swap kernel
[19:25] <a931bw> on the fly?
[19:25] <moreral> I was trying to update from 10.04 and the updater stopped for ages so I thought I'd close it and try again but now I seem to have f.... the entire system, because I can't boot ( "Target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init" and errors locating /root/dev, /root/sys, /root/proc) and if I run the "Install Linux" program it doesn't give me the "update" option anymore ç
[19:26] <moreral> I went online and found solutions like running "sudo fsck -fy /dev/sda5" but that didn't work
[19:27] <moreral> I'd try a clean install if not for the fact that I'm on a very slow network and the updates and all programs I had take forever to download
[19:27] <moreral> any help would be greatly appreciated!
[19:32] <Dr_Willis> You may not have much choice ecctpt to do a new install.
[19:32] <a931bw> still doing apt-get upgrade, still accepting bids, on will it work or not :D
[19:33] <benzaldehyde> moreral: i did that same thing the other day
[19:35] <moreral> benzaldehyde: did you find a solution?
[19:35] <benzaldehyde> moreral: dumped the install, downloaded cdimage and installed fresh 11.04 never looked back--best bet
[19:36] <moreral> uhg
[19:36] <benzaldehyde> moreral: sorry
[19:36] <moreral> nah it's ok
[19:36]  * BluesKaj curses moto4lin , crappy driver/gui that doesn't work and hasn't since I bought the phone in 2007
[19:36] <moreral> I'm just thinking maybe there's a way to rebuild those missing directories
[19:37] <benzaldehyde> moreral: the time it'd probably take to figure that out would probably more than, well, what is your connection speed
[19:37] <skpl> can someone help me? im stuck at the login screen but gdm wont let me login
[19:37] <BluesKaj> I despise having to have windows installed due these kinds of problems  :(
[19:38] <delac> skpl: none of the available desktop options worked?
[19:38] <moreral> benzaldehyde: I spent almost four hours trying to download Amarok yesterday
[19:38] <moreral> and that's only about 70Mbs
[19:38] <skpl> delac: i was only able to try ubuntu classic, which didnt work, gdm is stuck
[19:39] <skpl> delac: i cant pull up the session menu
[19:39] <moreral> the connection dies every half an hour or so
[19:39] <benzaldehyde> skpl: did you try to alt ctl f1, login, stop gdm and then start it again? sudo service gdm stop/start
[19:39] <frybye> Yeah - I am back here -IN- natty... with konversation - cos I like it better... heheh
[19:39] <skpl> benzaldehyde: i will try that
[19:39] <delac> skpl: well, try to reboot then?
[19:39] <delac> skpl: or what benz said
[19:41] <benzaldehyde> moreral: if you have a laptop you might try calling a local cafe and see if you can borrow some wifi
[19:42] <benzaldehyde> moreral: librarie, hotels
[19:42] <benzaldehyde> *libraries
[19:48] <benzaldehyde> i'm gonna see what's doing in the other rooms, peace
[19:51] <TheTinyToon> Hi there, got a regression bug for my "Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300", which doesn't work anymore in natty. The hardwareswitch only activates the bluetooth part and not the wireless, which also shows in iwconfig (ESSID: any/off). Any hints?
[19:51] <a931bw> apt-get upgrade for like hour already :(
[19:52] <IdleOne> a931bw: you change your source and ran upgrade?
[19:52] <IdleOne> changed*
[19:52] <a931bw> Debian Wheezy > Ubuntu Natty
[19:52] <a931bw> :D
[19:53] <IdleOne> explosion imminent
[19:53] <IdleOne> :)
[19:53] <IdleOne> but you did say you wanted to test
[19:53] <IdleOne> so who knows maybe it won't explode in your face
[19:53] <delac> http://i.imgur.com/kOudr.jpg
[19:54] <a931bw> ok
[19:54] <a931bw> done
[19:54] <a931bw> now
[19:54] <IdleOne> haha
[19:54] <a931bw> make bets
[19:54] <IdleOne> nice delac
[19:54] <a931bw> i'm installing unity
[19:54] <a931bw> wll it work or not
[19:54] <a931bw> lol delac
[19:54] <a931bw> :)
[19:55] <akavlie> how's beta 1 working for everyone vs. 10.10?
[19:55] <trancegeek> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin: Package sun-java6-plugin is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[19:55] <trancegeek> how to resolve?
[19:55] <trancegeek> i have the jre
[19:55] <trancegeek> because i have eclipse set up for android ev
[19:55] <trancegeek> dev*
[19:55] <trancegeek> just trying to get it working with chromium
[19:55] <TheTinyToon> akavlie: fine so far (some crashes, but that's normal), except my wireless
[19:55] <trancegeek> wireless is terrible in 11.04 >.<
[19:56] <a931bw> .. The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:56] <a931bw>  libnm-util1 : Depends: libnspr4 (>= 4.7.3-0ubuntu1~) but it is not going to be installed
[19:56] <a931bw>  libnss3 : Depends: libnspr4 (>= 4.8.6-0ubuntu1~) but it is not going to be installed
[19:56] <a931bw>  unity : Depends: libbamf0 (>= 0.2.60) but it is not going to be installed
[19:56] <a931bw>  ...
[19:56] <a931bw> lol
[19:56] <TheTinyToon> seems so - any hints for debugging, trancegeek?
[19:57] <a931bw> what's libnspr4_4.8.7
[19:57] <trancegeek> not really tiny, my main issue is adhoc
[19:57] <trancegeek> adhoc pretty much doesn't work
[19:57] <akavlie> what's the issue w/ wireless?
[19:57] <a931bw> (Reading database ... 310492 files and directories currently installed.)
[19:57] <a931bw> Unpacking libnspr4 (from .../libnspr4_4.8.7-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[19:57] <a931bw> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libnspr4_4.8.7-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[19:57] <a931bw>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libnspr4.so', which is also in package libnspr4-0d 4.8.7-2
[19:57] <a931bw> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[19:57] <a931bw> Errors were encountered while processing:
[19:57] <a931bw>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libnspr4_4.8.7-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[19:57] <trancegeek> it only works unsecured, even if you set wpa/wep settings, it still creates an unsecured network
[19:57] <trancegeek> a931, pastebin?
[19:57] <akavlie> on my machine, 10.10 has been far from stable, sadly.
[19:57] <TheTinyToon> doesn't work at all for me
[19:58] <akavlie> hoping 11.04 might improve things
[19:58] <trancegeek> ubuntu ##.## has been unstable on every computer for me, sadly
[19:58] <akavlie> I get crashes when waking from sleep, or unplugging a USB headset.
[19:59] <mrdeb> hey
[19:59] <TheTinyToon> my Intel has a bluetooth and wireless module on the same extension card (AFAIK) and only bluetooth get's activated
[19:59] <mrdeb> do you recommend 10.04 or 10.10 for performance
[19:59] <TheTinyToon> my wireless is always on "off"
[20:00] <trancegeek> idk
[20:00] <trancegeek> i have atheros
[20:00] <trancegeek> so i don't have many wifi issues
[20:00] <trancegeek> lol
[20:02] <frybye> Hmm - so far so good but in natty where is the system control and settings to be found/gui?
[20:03] <TheTinyToon> rfkill also doesn't show any soft or hard blocked devices - any ideas?
[20:03] <IdleOne> trancegeek: not sure if anyone answered you but for java you need to enable the Partner repo.
[20:03] <delac> frybye: try the shutdown button on the top right
[20:03] <a931bw> finally
[20:03] <a931bw> all
[20:03] <IdleOne> well for Sun java
[20:03] <a931bw> unity is finally installing
[20:04] <incorrect> is there a way to press for a bug fix to be released? i see that the bug i have has been found and fixed, just didn't get release from alpha to beta
[20:05] <a931bw> ok now compiz doesn't want to install
[20:05] <a931bw>  compiz-plugins : Depends: libdecoration0 (= 1:0.9.4git20110322-0ubuntu6+r2723+201103301010) but 1:0.9.4git20110322-0ubuntu5 is to be installed
[20:05] <a931bw> :(
[20:05] <incorrect> don't worry compiz just crashes
[20:05] <a931bw> unity requeres  it
[20:05] <incorrect> unity2d
[20:06] <a931bw> nah
[20:06] <a931bw> i want full one
[20:06] <a931bw> what's libdecoration0?
[20:06] <Fatzu> hey guys I see some reviews of natty with unity on the net, but wonder how people got it working. I have latest updates installed but unity's shell isn't usable: search not working shortcuts unclickable except browser and terminal. What's wrong with my system?
[20:07] <gordonjcp> Fatzu: you're using unity
[20:07] <Fatzu> gordonjcp: I'm trying to use it
[20:09] <gordonjcp> Fatzu: yeah, that's basically the problem ;-)
[20:09] <gordonjcp> Fatzu: I had a reasonable degree of success getting one of the nightly builds
[20:09] <gordonjcp> it's a long long way from usable though
[20:10] <a931bw>  compiz-plugins : Depends: libdecoration0 (= 1:0.9.4git20110322-0ubuntu6+r2723+201103301010) but 1:0.9.4git20110322-0ubuntu5 is to be installed
[20:10] <Fatzu> gordonjcp: ah I just scared that I messed up my ubuntu installation
[20:10]  * BluesKaj runs kde 4.6 on natty with very few probs so far
[20:10] <a931bw> how do iget new libdecoration/
[20:10] <incorrect> must admit unity in this beta is so much faster
[20:10] <ceed^> I don't get it. I do not have any problems with Unity. I expected I would hate it, but I kinda like it. Only problem I have is a freeze of the UI now and then, but it's a beta so I expect it to e fixed.
[20:11] <gordonjcp> ceed^: I really want to try it, but I can't get rid of the drop shadows around the windows
[20:12] <ceed^> gordonjcp: Isn't that a compiz setting?
[20:12] <gordonjcp> ceed^: for the couple of minutes I can use it at a time, it looks pretty promising
[20:12] <gordonjcp> ceed^: not one that I can find
[20:12] <ceed^> gordonjcp: So you do not like drop shadows, is that it?
[20:13] <gordonjcp> ceed^: they give me a blinding headache in minutes
[20:13] <ceed^> gordonjcp: Interesting. Drop shadow allergies...
[20:13] <gordonjcp> ceed^: I can actually feel my eye muscles twitching trying to pull the blurry bits into focus
[20:14] <gordonjcp> ceed^: never mind that they look shit and dated
[20:14] <Fatzu> One more question: I'm connected to internet with vpn via docsis, and my ubuntu laptop has assinged hostname like that: machine_name.cable.isp.local how that happend?
[20:15] <ceed^> gordonjcp: Personally I do not care one way or the other. I saw people oooh-ing and aaah-ing over the new drop shadow for the bar at the top in Unity. I couldn't care less.
[20:15] <gordonjcp> Fatzu: DHCP can assign a hostname
[20:18] <Fatzu> gordonjcp: where I can see it's configuration?
[20:18] <gordonjcp> where can you see what's configuration?
[20:19] <Fatzu> gordonjcp: dhcp
[20:19] <gordonjcp> Fatzu: ask your cable provider
[20:20] <Fatzu> gordonjcp: ah sorry found answer on help.ubuntu.com
[20:24] <a931bw> will natty work on 2.6.32-5?
[20:26] <tensorpudding> what do you mean?
[20:26] <tensorpudding> natty comes with 2.6.38, when you upgrade it'll put in a new version of the kernel
[20:27] <a931bw> tensorpudding
[20:27] <a931bw> i did upgrade
[20:27] <a931bw> Debian Wheezy > Ubuntu Natty
[20:28] <tasslehoff> Anyone done 10.10 -> 11.04 beta on a MacBook Pro with success? I'm getting ready, but just thought I'd check if anyone yells "No! wait!"
[20:31] <tensorpudding> i suggest making backups anyway
[20:34] <tan> anyone who can help getting OpenGL with ATI X2300 mobility Radeon to work in Natty? all updates are installed
[20:36] <tan> When I install fglrx and starts any OpenGL application (example: xdriinfo or glxgears) they give "segmentation fault"
[20:44] <hubertchang> On DELL Inspirion N4010, I always got the error:   drm/i915 can't work without intel_agp module!   intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: failed to get i915 symbols, graphics turbo disabled. My kernel is 2.6.38, and the config for AGP is CONFIG_AGP=y CONFIG_VGA_SWITCHOO=y
[20:44] <hubertchang> intel-ips-i915-dep.conf: softdep intel_ips pre: i915
[20:51] <bjsnider> hubertchang, ask about this in #ubuntu-x, although sunday is usually quiet
[20:56] <tan> bjsnider: I take it it's the same with my issue?
[20:56] <bjsnider> sure
[21:13] <lucas-arg> hey all... im having problems with flash plugin on 64bits installation
[21:13] <lucas-arg> any one with the same issue?
[21:16] <micahg> lucas-arg: which flash are you installing?
[21:16] <lucas-arg> flashplugin-nonfree
[21:16] <lucas-arg> i installed with ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:16] <lucas-arg> 10.2 version
[21:17] <frybye> lucas-arg: don't forget to install mplayer!!!
[21:17] <frybye> with just installing the restricted stuff incl flash you still will have little joy with youtube and similar - with the mplayer is fine..
[21:17] <lucas-arg> ok
[21:17] <lucas-arg> thnx
[21:18] <frybye> the version for gnome of course... you will find it in the software center...
[21:18] <micahg> frybye: really? are we missing a dependency somewhere?
[21:19]  * genii-around just resorted to the sevenmachines ppa
[21:19] <lucas-arg> i reinstalled with synaptic and now its working ok
[21:20] <lucas-arg> weird bug
[21:23] <frybye> micahg - I am not that knowledgable - but could this be related to me having a nvidia graka..? but either way this stuff works with mplayer installed and not otherwise..
[21:23] <micahg> frybye: I happen to have it installed as well, I'll look into it, thanks
[21:24] <frybye> your welcome...
[21:25] <frybye> btw this thing is cool - once one has figured to install with alternate/text-cd and then use command line to get the nvidia-current package etc.. now pretty cool...
[21:31] <mischasworld> hi there any mesa experts here, im trying to get my radeon hd 4200 to work under natty, glxinfo says direct rendering: yes glxgears just crashes
[21:34] <MPX> Hello, I've installed Ubuntu 11.04 beta and have updated it but I don't have a "main menu" icon in the upper left corner. In fact, it wasn't there to begin with when I installed it. Unity 2d has it however. Is there a way for me to get it back?
[21:36] <russjr08> MPX are you using the classic version?
[21:36] <MPX> russjr08:  No, using unity.
[21:37] <russjr08> So you don't have the Ubuntu icon in the top left?
[21:37] <MPX> No, I do not.
[21:37] <MPX> I'll show you a screenshot of it.
[21:38] <MPX> http://i.imgur.com/jRiR5.jpg
[21:38] <russjr08> hmm... I don't know why it is like that
[21:39] <MPX> It was a fresh install too, not an upgrade.
[21:39] <russjr08> if you click up there does it do anything?
[21:39] <MPX> However, it is there in unity 2d (qt). If I click up there, nothing happens, that's correct
[21:40] <russjr08> What about hitting the Windows Key?
[21:40] <MPX> That brings up "Shortcuts"
[21:40] <MPX> I'm assuming that's the menu?
[21:40] <PAtaNOsta> desktop and user friendly system www.snowlinux.de
[21:41] <russjr08> yup, that is what would come up if had an Ubuntu button and clicked it
[21:41] <russjr08> I don't know why the button isn't there though
[21:42] <russjr08> I wish I could help, but sadly I'm not that good with unity
[21:42] <MPX> I think it is weird too. It also wasn't there when I first installed the alpha too. I tried googling the bug, but have had no luck
[21:43] <benzaldehyde> MPX: you can run testing through the GUI and it gives you an option to report bugs
[21:43] <MPX> benzaldehyde:  I don't really know how to do that :(
[21:44] <russjr08> Take a look at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/742859
[21:44] <benzaldehyde> MPX: it
[21:44] <benzaldehyde> 's on there somewhere
[21:44] <russjr08> Can you change the opacity of the top unity bar... that bug is about two unity panels being there
[21:45] <russjr08> You need ccsm to change the opacity
[21:45] <MPX> I'll try. Wait a sec
[21:45] <MPX> Yes, I can change the opacity of the top panel
[21:45] <benzaldehyde> russjr08: those bulky window managers take the wind from my sail
[21:45] <MPX> Also, I see the menu button now.
[21:46] <MPX> It must be that bug :)
[21:46] <russjr08> yup
[21:46] <MPX> I can see it, but I cannot click it.
[21:46] <russjr08> Unfortunately no one has a way to kill it
[21:46] <russjr08> If you have a Launchpad account, you might want to subscribe to that bug and mark it as affecting you
[21:49] <MPX> I do so by "Subscribing" to it?
[21:49] <MPX> Nevermind, didn't see that line there :)
[21:50] <russjr08> :)
[21:50] <russjr08> Hopefully someone will be able to fix that bug
[21:51] <benzaldehyde> time for cartoons
[21:51] <russjr08> I wonder if you was to reset unity if that would temp. fix it...
[21:52] <MPX> Already tried to, does not fix it sadly :( Not for me anyhow
[21:52] <russjr08> oh... have you tried restarting compiz?
[21:54] <MPX> russjr08:  Yes, I've tried that as well
[21:55] <russjr08> I'm out of ideas :(
[21:55] <delac> MPX: what does "ps -A | grep panel"  tell you?
[21:56] <CT1> Hi. How can I add things I use to the natty launcher (gimp, vlc, gedit, terminal) and remove things I rarely use (firefox, all office apps...) ?
[21:57] <benzaldehyde> CT1: no firefox? seriously?
[21:57] <delac> CT1: right click them
[21:57] <russjr08> CT1, open the app, right click it and check "Keep In Launcher"
[21:57] <russjr08> to remove the app uncheck "Keep In Launcher"
[21:58] <benzaldehyde> CT1: if you are looking for speed boost, also look into switching off some of the Startup Applications
[21:58] <CT1> russjr08: Where do I tight click it?
[21:59] <MPX> delac:    3195 ?        00:00:02 unity-panel-ser
[21:59] <russjr08> Just Right Click the app icon
[21:59] <russjr08> After you open it
[21:59] <CT1> russjr08: I have Chromium open and can't see its icon anywhere
[22:00] <russjr08> hmm...
[22:00] <delac> MPX: only one? oh well, try: killall unity-panel-ser
[22:00] <russjr08> thats strange
[22:00] <CT1> russjr08: Should it be on the left with all the "default" ones that when are open have arrows?
[22:00] <benzaldehyde> CT1: chromium, that explains no firefox. i would use that but it doesn't run on my architecture. the new firefox is damn fast though
[22:00] <russjr08> yes
[22:01] <MPX> delac:  Didn't help
[22:02] <delac> MPX: hmm, worth a shot anyway...
[22:02] <CT1> benzaldehyde: Not tried the new one, but (although not dissatisfied in the slightest) I found chromium ALOT faster.
[22:03] <MPX> delac:  If there is only one running, why does me changing the opacity show the main menu icon in the "background" ?
[22:03] <benzaldehyde> CT1: that is what i heard, though i compared benchmark websites which also claimed opera to be faster than firefox, tried and was underwhelmed to say the least
[22:04] <benzaldehyde> *i tried it
[22:04] <CT1> russjr08: So any application I run should show up on that panel to the left? Even if it's not already there as a launcher?
[22:05] <russjr08> CT1, yes when it is running
[22:06] <benzaldehyde> totem needs a playlist
[22:06] <delac> MPX: ok, maybe this. open console, type "xkill" and click the panel? Warning:it might crash some things :)
[22:06] <MPX> Didn't help :(
[22:07] <Omega> I closed my laptop's lid and it suspended, when I returned and moved the mouse, the gdm did not show up, I could still see my mouse though.
[22:07] <Omega> Does anyone know how to fix this?
[22:07] <CT1> russjr08: You're right.  "Everything" else (just tested, nvidia settings and gedit) does show up. Perhaps it's a compatibility issue with chromium...
[22:07] <Omega> (I'm in a tty)
[22:07] <CT1> russjr08: Thanks for the help.  I can now sort the rest out
[22:07] <delac> MPX: hard bug to kill...
[22:07] <russjr08> CT1, no problem :)
[22:08] <MPX> It's a weird bug too. It also happened to me in the Alpha version
[22:10] <delac> MPX: have you gone through your process list to detect any possible dublicates?
[22:10] <delac> MPX: that might be the extra panel, that is
[22:10] <MPX> delac:  No, I'm not good at these things. I'm a good listener though and do as I'm told, so if you could tell me what to do that would be excellent :)
[22:11] <delac> MPX: open your System Monitor and look at the process list
[22:11] <Omega> Is there a way to unsuspend from the terminal?
[22:12] <MPX> It only shows one unity-panel-service
[22:12] <delac> MPX: and that we tried to kill already
[22:12] <delac> MPX: any dublicates?
[22:13] <MPX> Not that I can see
[22:14] <MPX> http://i.imgur.com/DxKCK.jpg
[22:14] <MPX> Here it is with the transparency
[22:15] <delac> MPX: well, it might be internal bug of some process
[22:16] <delac> MPX: in that case you would not have any other possibilities than wait
[22:16] <delac> MPX: for fix
[22:16] <MPX> When is it being officially released anyway?
[22:17] <MPX> Also, my second core is running at 100%.
[22:17] <MPX> That was xflux. Killed it.
[22:18] <delac> MPX: the offical release is at the end of the month
[22:18] <russjr08> MPX, I think the official release is April 28th
[22:18] <delac> MPX: but the fix might come sooner
[22:18] <delac> MPX: or later...
[22:19] <MPX> Is there a way for me to drag the launcher icons without going through Gconf?
[22:19] <russjr08> Yup the 28th, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[22:19] <russjr08> going through gconf?
[22:19] <delac> MPX: dragn and drop doesnt work?
[22:19] <MPX> gconf-editor
[22:20] <MPX> delac:  No, if I try to drag one, the rest follow.
[22:20] <delac> MPX: drag horizontally
[22:20] <MPX> Excellent. Thank you
[22:42] <aauthor> Does anyone else experience that the Unity toolbar stops auto-hiding?
[22:43] <tensorpudding> yes
[22:43] <tensorpudding> if you change workspaces it starts working again
[22:44] <aauthor> Hmm, changing workspaces doesn't seem to fix it for me.
[22:44] <Chr|s> hmm for can't get gnome 3 to work for the life of me
[22:45] <penguin42> aauthor: Yeh it's very tempermental for me
[22:46]  * aauthor checks to see if a bug report has been made.
[22:47] <acamargo> hello. I'm upgrading 10.10 to 11.04 with "update-manager -d" but I got "Failed to fetch http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfonts-100dpi/xfonts-100dpi_1.0.3_all.deb 404  Not Found" error message
[22:48] <acamargo> after downloading packages step
[22:48] <acamargo> the same prob with xfonts-75dpi_1.0.3_all.deb, fancontrol_3.2.0-1_all.deb and lm-sensors_3.2.0-1_i386.deb packages
[22:50] <penguin42> acamargo: Just tell it to update the package list again and try again (or do an apt-get update)
[22:50] <penguin42> acamargo: It normally happens where a new package version has just landed
[22:54] <phoenixsampras> is 11.04 ready for production?
[22:54] <yofel> no
[22:54] <yofel> !schedule | phoenixsampras
[22:55] <yofel> you can try the beta, but it's far from being reliable
[22:56] <phoenixsampras> so it will delivered on april 28
[22:56] <phoenixsampras> nice, not so far
[22:56] <acamargo> penguin42, there is not packages to update
[22:56] <penguin42> acamargo: I mean the list of packages needs updating
[22:58] <aguitel> anyone try natty with usb pendrive?
[22:58] <penguin42> aguitel: I did an install of it with an alpha 3 with a pendrive
[22:58] <acamargo> penguin42, hmmmm
[22:59] <genii-around> aguitel: I installed it onto a 16G USB stick, works well
[22:59] <acamargo> penguin42, archive.ubuntu has the packages but br.archive not
[22:59] <aguitel> penguin42, i try with netbootin and usb creator and can't boot ,it say kenel not found
[22:59] <penguin42> acamargo: That normally means the br hasn't got the new versions yet
[22:59] <aguitel> and i check md5sum
[23:01] <aguitel> what wrong with this?
[23:01] <penguin42> it should work
[23:01] <penguin42> aguitel: Do you have any other USB storage devices plugged in?
[23:02] <aguitel> penguin42, mouse and keyboard
[23:02] <penguin42> that should be fine
[23:02] <aguitel> penguin42, no other usb storage
[23:03] <aguitel> what the best way to create usb image ?
[23:04]  * penguin42 uses unetbootin
[23:04] <mrdeb> hey listen
[23:04] <mrdeb> which is faster: 10.04 or 10.10
[23:04] <phoenixsampras> 11.04
[23:05] <skyjumper> faster?
[23:05] <penguin42> well the 11.04 kernel has some long waited for scheduler tweeks that people say make stuff more responsive - but there again the GUI probabyly asks for a bit more CPU
[23:07] <mrdeb> a lot more
[23:07] <mrdeb> is the performance of nvidia drivers better
[23:10] <damien> penguin42: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/linux-to-get-a-lot-faster-due-to-new-patch/ ?
[23:10] <penguin42> damien: Yeh
[23:10] <penguin42> damien: I don't think benchmark perf would be better from it, but responsiveness should be
[23:11] <acamargo> penguin42, I replaced br.archive for just archive in source.lists. now update-manager is upgrading to natty ;-)
[23:11] <damien> i have noticed  things open a bit quicker
[23:11] <mrdeb> why hasnt this been implemented in previous kernels
[23:11] <damien> it was only establisehd in november 2010
[23:11] <mrdeb> and they cant edit an edisting kernel for it
[23:11] <damien> afaik new "features" are not implemeneted in kernels for at least non-lts releases
[23:11] <mrdeb> ?
[23:12] <damien> i'm sure they have a good reason mrdeb
[23:12] <mrdeb> or random reason
[23:12] <damien> a reason none the leess
[23:12] <damien> you're 100% free to apply the patch yourself :)
[23:12] <mrdeb> when is this gonna be implemented
[23:12] <penguin42> mrdeb: Generally they only apply patches to fix broken things to older kernels
[23:12] <mrdeb> and can you install the kernel on 10.10
[23:13] <damien> build your own kernel and yes
[23:13] <penguin42> mrdeb: If they put a performance change into an older kernel but it actually breaks something for someone then they are worse off, so it's best to just fix stuff for older ones
[23:13] <damien> bingo
[23:13] <penguin42> mrdeb: I think there are some natty-kernels-for-maverick somewhere
[23:13] <mrdeb> so what am i supposed to do
[23:13] <mrdeb> stick to 10.10 or what
[23:14] <damien> or upgrade to 11.04 when it's released..
[23:14] <mrdeb> is it implemented in the kernel
[23:14] <damien> 11.04 could be a pretty major release
[23:15] <penguin42> define major?
[23:15] <mrdeb> yeah, bec unity makes is nonworable
[23:15] <mrdeb> major as in not working majorly
[23:15] <penguin42> mrdeb: Fortunately you don't have to use unity
[23:15] <damien> in terms of increased adoption (perhaps) but at least through the performance improvement (i can see it, now, at least) and the unity implementation
[23:15] <mrdeb> is it increased performance in 32 bit or 64
[23:16] <damien> both
[23:16] <damien> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=2
[23:16] <rww> goddamn i am bored of the "unity sucks!" "but you don't have to use it!" conversation being the current topic every time I tab to this window.
[23:16] <mrdeb> true
[23:16]  * genii-around comforts rww with a "special" coffee
[23:16] <mrdeb> does the current 11.04 build have the kernel speeed increase
[23:17] <damien> who was having a unity sucks discussion? :p
[23:17] <mrdeb> penguin42:
[23:17] <penguin42> mrdeb: I believe it does - but remember it's a resposniveness fix not general performance
[23:17] <mrdeb> what's the difference
[23:17] <mrdeb> also, why is wayland not in 11.04
[23:17] <mrdeb> isnt it supposed to be faster
[23:18] <damien> the os "feels" quicker
[23:18] <penguin42> mrdeb: My understanding is it won't make a program run faster, but it'll make it not slow down your other apps when you try and use them
[23:18] <damien> but your video won't encode quicker, or you downloads go any faster ;)
[23:18] <rww> mrdeb: because Wayland is a long-term project that isn't ready yet.
[23:18] <mrdeb> neither is unity
[23:18] <mrdeb> but they put it in
[23:18] <Daekdroom> By not ready he means it can't be used.
[23:18] <yofel> mrdeb: there is a wayland package in natty, but there are almost no graphics drivers for it yet so it won't be used as default for quite a while
[23:19] <rww> what Daekdroom said.
[23:19] <Daekdroom> All you can do currently is run a few demos.
[23:19] <mrdeb> so what do you run
[23:19] <mrdeb> 11.04 or debian?
[23:19] <penguin42> mrdeb: This channel is for discussion of 11.04
[23:19] <damien> unity will be neat as long as it does't make choosing between 2 (e.g.) firefox windows difficult
[23:20] <mrdeb> or blank windows
[23:20] <mrdeb> or make programs crash
[23:20] <damien> otherwise it's moving into that apple area of "hey things can LOOK nice too" which i think is just great
[23:20] <rww> mrdeb: I don't run Ubuntu :)
[23:20] <yofel> as for nvidia: 270 seems to be as slow as ever for me - not faster not slower
[23:20] <mrdeb> i know
[23:20] <mrdeb> you run deiban i think
[23:20] <damien> sorry mrdeb i didn't know you had the non-alpha non-beta release of 11.04 ;)
[23:21] <mrdeb> the beta doesn do that?
[23:21] <damien> it's a beta therefore things break
[23:21] <mrdeb> i hav ea post beta build
[23:21] <yofel> mrdeb: if things break please file bugs, we do still have almost a month to fix them
[23:22] <mrdeb> is the windows beign blank going to be fixed
[23:22] <yofel> if nobody filed a bug on it: no
[23:22] <mrdeb> lol
[23:22] <tensorpudding> there's surely more than one bug filed on it
[23:22] <damien> not.. sure .. if .. trolling....
[23:23] <tensorpudding> that and some pretty notable programs crashing are the big bugs so far as i can see
[23:24]  * yofel hasn't managed to login to unity once without compiz crashing
[23:24] <tensorpudding> is it planned to have the panel support old-style tray icons
[23:24] <tensorpudding> i thought it was supposed to
[23:24] <mrdeb> nope
[23:24] <yofel> iirc there was some setting so you could enabled that, don't ask me how though
[23:25] <tensorpudding> because there's quite a few programs that don't use indicators yet and they're not likely to all get patched
[23:25] <mrdeb> what indicators?
[23:25] <tensorpudding> application indicators
[23:26] <mrdeb> you mean the maximus menu?
[23:26] <tensorpudding> i've never heard of that one
[23:26] <tensorpudding> this project is full of buzzwords
[23:26] <bitplane> Hi, I've got problems with Unity with ATI graphics, rendering artefacts, black blocks over all mouseovers. is this a common thing?
[23:26] <yofel> hm, if you mean the panel menu, that's appmenu, not maximus
[23:26] <bitplane> the global menu and sidebar thing don't work either
[23:26] <mrdeb> does the experimental nvidia driver work well
[23:26] <mrdeb> for basic graphics
[23:27] <yofel> mrdeb: nouveau works for me fine with 2D, I can't use 3D since I have a GPU where the driver locks the system up after a while if accel. is enabled
[23:27] <quiel> opening external media with nautilus displays two ribbons that I don't use - "open with $whatever". How do I get rid of them?
[23:28] <tensorpudding> i wish that you didn't have to move the mouse to the corner to get the dock-thing fully visible
[23:29] <mrdeb> the ock?
[23:29] <mrdeb> you can disable autohide
[23:31] <tensorpudding> also the menu makes the dock useless which is kinda annoying
[23:32] <mrdeb> so what's the bottom line
[23:32] <bitplane> the bug I'm moaning about, anyone else reported this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYz7k_CLksE
[23:32] <mrdeb> 10.04 or 10.10 or 11.04
[23:32] <yofel> mrdeb: 10.04 if you need LTS, otherwise I don't think it matters much since classic gnome is the same on 10.10 and 11.04, unless you really want to use unity
[23:33] <mrdeb> ok yofel
[23:33] <mrdeb> rww: what os do you use again
[23:37] <aguitel> is there anyway to uninstall unity and remains classic gnome in 11.04 ?
[23:38] <yofel> aguitel: you can just choose classic ubuntu at the login screen
[23:38] <damien> at the login screen
[23:38] <bitplane> dunno about uninstall but log off, pick your username and you get an option down the bottom of the screen, choose "ubuntu classic"
[23:39] <mrdeb> and then you have to tweak gnome to remove the maximus
[23:39] <bitplane> maximus?
[23:39] <aguitel> what is maximus
[23:39] <bitplane> is that the Windows style window maximizing thing?
[23:39] <mrdeb> the menu in the gnoem panel instead of individual programs
[23:40] <quiel> test test, do I need to be registered to talk here
[23:40] <Pici> no
[23:40] <bitplane> I don't see that, I have the same old menu with no search
[23:40] <bitplane> in fact can anyone read what I'm writing?
[23:41] <aguitel> yes
[23:41] <Pici> quiel: and you're already registered and identified anyway.
[23:41] <quiel> Pici, yeah I just ID'd, but couldn't find my previous message and got suspicious
[23:42] <bitplane> did anyone look at the video i uploaded?
[23:42] <bitplane> if so, any idea how to categorize this so I can raise a proper bug report?
[23:43] <mrdeb> so ar eyou running 11.04 and stickgin to it?
[23:43] <bitplane> who, me?
[23:43] <mrdeb> yes
[23:44] <bitplane> I don't see why not. gnome works fine. I'd like to try unity though
[23:44] <mrdeb> ok
[23:44] <phoenixsampras> wth is unity
[23:45] <bitplane> the new window manager, compiz+wayland+unity for a modern, composited window manager ... apparently anyway
[23:45] <bitplane> I was hoping it would reduce the load on X (well, get rid of it) when doing anything graphically intensive
[23:46] <rww> !info maximus
[23:46] <rww> not a menu ^^
[23:46] <mrdeb> how much ram does your cpu take
[23:46] <quiel> what was the keyboard shortcut to focus the indicator applet?
[23:46] <yofel> erm, RAM and CPU are 2 entirely different things
[23:46] <mrdeb> rww: it does the same thing. what's the proper name for iti n 1104
[23:46] <mrdeb> how much ram does it use for u
[23:47] <bitplane> usually the maximum RAM is decided by the number of slots on your motherboard and the maximum your BIOS can take
[23:47] <Pici> And again, wayland isn't being used in 11.04.
[23:47] <bitplane> mine is some i7 thing and can take 24GB, which is what it has
[23:47] <mrdeb> ok, let me rephrase that
[23:47] <mrdeb> how much ram is 11.04 using for you on average
[23:47] <quiel> bitplane, isn't unity more like a plugin for compiz. Also are there any plans for wayland in ubuntu?
[23:47] <rww> mrdeb: maximus has nothing to do with menus.
[23:47] <phoenixsampras> so Gnome has died
[23:48] <Pici> !unity
[23:48] <Pici> phoenixsampras: no
[23:48] <mrdeb> well that's waht the netbook remix used for menu detachment
[23:48] <Maddog> my thoughts (from breif use) are I could handle unity on my lesser used installs, but on my workstation it'd annoy the hell out of me
[23:48] <quiel> mrdeb,  more than 1GB, with only chromium, a pdf and xchat opened
[23:48] <mrdeb> wow
[23:48] <mrdeb> see, why is it using double the ram of 10.10
[23:48] <mrdeb> ?
[23:48] <bitplane> how much of that is caches?
[23:49] <quiel> don't know, I noticed it as well
[23:49] <rww> !memory
[23:49] <phoenixsampras> so Unity is superior to Gnome
[23:49] <mrdeb> based on resource monitor
[23:49] <mrdeb> no
[23:49] <Pici> phoenixsampras: Did you read what that factoid said?
[23:49]  * penguin42 hasn't looked at RAM usage but it's really really crawling on my 1MB ram netbook
[23:49] <yofel> mrdeb: no, maximus was used to maximize winodws, if you mean the menu being put in the top panel, that's appmenu
[23:49] <quiel> bitplane, htop reports in 10.10 and 11.04 -> 11.04 uses much more RAM
[23:49] <mrdeb> ubuntu is trying to get a larget audience
[23:49] <mrdeb> appmenu? ok thanks
[23:49] <mrdeb> whatever it is, i disable it right away
[23:50] <yofel> removing indicator-appmenu should do that
[23:50] <yofel> (I think)
[23:50] <mrdeb> it did
[23:50] <mrdeb> idid it last night
[23:50] <Pici> Chrom(e/ium) also uses a large amount of ram, I wouldn't consider any measurements while it is running to be particularly valid.
[23:50] <mrdeb> then went back to lts
[23:50] <mrdeb> then to 10.10
[23:50] <mrdeb> now i dont konw
[23:50] <damien> it's only an os
[23:50] <mrdeb> -_-
[23:51] <phoenixsampras> so Ubuntu has memory leaks?
[23:51] <mrdeb> bbl
[23:51] <quiel> phoenixsampras, that how I explain it.
[23:51] <Pici> phoenixsampras: Do you actually have anything to bring to this conversation besides what some would consider trolling?
[23:51] <yofel> phoenixsampras: could be, or maybe it's just loading large libraries, or the apps just consume more memory now, or ... - without actual data that's hard to say
[23:51] <bitplane> that question doesn't make sense. ubuntu is hundreds of different software packages sitting on top of the linux kernel
[23:52] <yofel> +1
[23:52] <bitplane> maybe some apps require more RAM, maybe they leak. either way you'd need to actually investigate before drawing conclusions
[23:54] <bitplane> having said that, empathy and ubuntuone services look rather RAM hungry
[23:55] <yofel> the syncdaemon is using 56MiB memory here currently
[23:55] <quiel> well, chromium (and other programs as well) has gazillion processes in the system monitor, you can't really say how much it uses.
[23:55] <yofel> that's acceptable IMO
[23:56] <phoenixsampras> when ubuntu server 11.04 will be released?
[23:56] <quiel> and single indicators take up a lot as well
[23:57] <yofel> phoenixsampras: same as all other variants
[23:57] <BUGabundo> !release
[23:58] <BUGabundo> !schedule > phoenixsampras