[03:06] <blahdeblah> I'm with you, ikt (about the ice cream, that is...)
[04:37] <Compacthack> After a day of trying to get 11.04 beta to run in VB I find out it doesn't work in VB, maybe I should have googled earlier!
[05:41] <head_victim> bejames, blahdeblah caryb & anyone else in Brisbane, does Friday the 29th April work for everyone ?
[05:42] <bejames> head_victim, Won't know until my wife gets her roster unfortunately
[05:42] <bejames> tentatively, yes
[05:42] <sagaci> so you'd say 5 is a minimum for release parties/gatherings?
[05:43] <head_victim> bejames: fair enough, is the pancake manor a good enough place to go or should we be looking for some wifi (possibly stealing Sydney's idea)
[05:43] <head_victim> sagaci: I reckon 2 is a minimum :)
[05:44] <bejames> head_victim, if we can find somewhere with wifi that would be good. I'm just hopeless at coming up with alternatives
[05:44] <head_victim> bejames: I hate choosing places as well that's why I'm trying to palm that off :P
[05:44] <bejames> :)
[05:44] <sagaci> wifi would be good since the iso's will be ready but then again, i'm not going to the brisbane one
[05:46] <sagaci> not to download but wifi would be good for its own sake
[05:46] <head_victim> I'd have it here but no room for more than about 10
[05:54] <bejames> Coffee hit King George Square has Wifi
[05:54] <sagaci> yey, free head_victim wifi
[05:54] <head_victim> bejames: how will they like 20 odd people hanging around for a couple of hours on a friday night? Just seeing how big/small it is
[05:54] <head_victim> sagaci: welcome to it, anytime
[05:55] <head_victim> I seed Lubuntu torrents just to use up bandwidth every month
[05:56] <bejames> head_victim,  on second  thought, they probably wont be open at night - more of a lunchtime place.... and may not seat 20
[05:56] <sagaci> head_victim: you're on bigpond 200gb yeah
[05:56] <head_victim> bejames: ah fair enough
[05:56] <bejames> Power House Museum?
[05:57] <head_victim> What's that like? Bar, cafe, function room?
[05:58] <bejames> all of the above I think
[05:59] <bejames> Brisbane Powerhouse
[05:59] <bejames> You can see a show or a band at Brisbane Powerhouse, you can have a drink or a meal, you can bring your kids, you can just come for the coffee and now you can bring your laptop and get online with free wireless internet access
[05:59] <bejames> from http://www.ourbrisbane.com/see-and-do/help-for-travellers/getting-connected-brisbane
[06:00] <sagaci> just did a few more strings in firefox, up to 33% complete
[06:01] <head_victim> sagaci: sweet, would be awesome to have that front screen completely done
[06:02] <sagaci> i did evolution and evolution-data before
[06:48] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Were you thinking in the evening of the 29th?  Friday nights are not so good for me, but can probably swing it if i have to.
[06:56] <head_victim> Yeah I was thinking 7 ish
[07:13] <blahdeblah> Would prefer Sat to Fri
[07:15] <head_victim> Ah ok, I don't mind if people want Saturday but I can't be there. I'm trying to get people to talk about it on the list but it's just me and caryb
[07:20] <blahdeblah> Yeah - sorry i haven't been around much.  Just been flat out with lots of stuff lately.
[07:28] <head_victim> That's ok, I'm more trying to get the other 20 or so people that have attended previous ones to comment as well
[07:32] <nisshh> head_victim, i would but i havent been able to check my gmail with my net being so slow :)
[07:35] <airtonix> msy.com.au page is fucking terribad
[07:36] <airtonix> i wish it would filter out the "out of stock" items when you choose a branch location
[08:20] <head_victim> airtonix: yet people keep buying from them :/
[09:05] <ikt> head_victim: that's because they're cheap
[09:05] <ikt> why would you pay more for something you can get cheaper?
[09:05] <ikt> in Adelaide especially, the IT hardware industry was screwed
[09:05] <ikt> until MSY came along
[09:06] <head_victim> ikt: msy aren't always the cheapest
[09:06] <head_victim> Well not here in Brisbane anyway.
[09:07] <ikt> complete opposite in adelaide
[09:08] <ikt> they're cheaper than most wholesalers as well 
[09:08] <head_victim> And they give you as much service as Umart. I don't use either of them unless I need something specific my regulars are out of stock in. I prefer to pay $5 more and actually get some service.
[09:09] <head_victim> I'm worried about umart and msy parallel importing as well, giving you a system with no warranty.
[09:11] <head_victim> At umart all you do is walk in, type your order into a computer, sit down and wait for your name, pay then leave. Fine for people like us who know something about computers and hopefully never need it serviced, poor for anyone short of super proficient with hardware.
[09:18] <ikt> indeed
[09:30] <head_victim> I actually prefer to shop at a bricks and mortar (who also do online and over the phone) store that I actually refer my parents to (these are the least technically literate people I know) without having to give them any special instructions.
[09:36] <ikt> I'm 50/50
[09:36] <ikt> I get a lot of my gear from pccasegear
[09:37] <ikt> and majority of brick and mortar don't sell what I want
[09:37] <ikt> same with my htc hero
[09:37] <ikt> when I first went for an android phone only the online stores were selling them
[09:37] <head_victim> I bought my motorola defy from a telstra store, I have a habit of just going for whatever is the best free one available
[09:38] <ikt> I couldn't do the same
[09:38] <ikt> I think at the time there was 1 phone available at that was iphone
[09:38] <ikt> iphone or some ancient nokia
[09:39] <head_victim> I'm still quite happy with my e51 or e65, just doesn't do web browsing like I'd like. Other than that they're perfect for me
[09:40] <ikt> phone before my htc hero was motorola razr
[09:40] <ikt> I liked it but once iphone came out :(
[09:42] <head_victim> My wife went for the iphone 4 but I just couldn't do it.
[09:44] <ikt> I had my brother and dad go for the iphone when it came out
[09:48] <head_victim> I'm waiting on some accessories to come before I set it all up, need a good case and a 32gb microsd card, should be here monday morning.
[09:59] <ikt> the great thing is that it will last a long time
[10:00] <ikt> as I'm sure cyanogenmod will be running on it after motorolla stop supporting it
[10:00] <head_victim> I'm the sort of person who probably won't root the phone.
[10:01] <head_victim> Unless there's a massively good reason to. I'm a fan of just letting things like that do their job. I don't want to have to keep fixing something I need regularly :P
[10:45] <ikt> head_victim: new features :D
[10:45] <ikt> htc said 2.1 is as good as my htc hero will get
[10:45] <ikt> and I am somewhat similar to you
[10:46] <ikt> in fact I'm using CM6 instead of CM7 because I wanted the 'stable' release so I wouldn't have to muck around with it
[10:46] <ikt> even though CM7 is considered stable
[11:10] <head_victim> ikt: supposedly motorola are going to 2.2 for the defy in the next couple of months
[11:11] <ikt> will they still provide updates for it in 2 years time?
[11:11] <head_victim> Not sure, I get a new phone every 2 years anyway. I feel like I'm not getting value for money when I'm not getting a phone free as well as my plan.
[11:11] <head_victim> That's the only reason I upgraded to the defy.
[11:12] <head_victim> If the defy goes to 2.2 and it has all the 2.2 stuff running stable I think it will be fine like that. The phone isn't massively great on hardware so much more than that would probably be pushing it.
[11:31] <airtonix> How do i make libreoffice insert my name as a field without using custom properties, the author field is blank when i insert it 
[11:32] <airtonix> i've just been using custom properties so far to do that, but it seems to me that the author field should have my damn name there!
[11:32] <airtonix> :<
[11:33] <airtonix> btw ikt, halfway through last semester i got myself a Samsung Galaxy s i9000
[11:34] <airtonix> pimping thing once you put a rom with the voodoo kernel mod and a ext4 filesystem
[11:37] <head_victim> airtonix: I thought it was in the properties field in the tools tab, well that's where it always was for me in oo.o but not played too much with lo yet
[11:37] <airtonix> author control ?
[11:37] <head_victim> Doesn't it take that from the User Data window there?
[11:38] <airtonix> file > properties 
[11:38] <airtonix> only has : 
[11:38] <airtonix> general, description, custom props, internet, security, statistics
[11:38] <head_victim> Odd, I should really get around to using that one day
[11:39] <head_victim> Nah I was thinking tools > properties
[11:39] <airtonix> its much faster thanb ooo
[11:39] <airtonix> specially on my netbook
[11:39] <head_victim> Sorry, tools > options
[11:44] <airtonix> Looks like i'm going to start working for a small company as lead programmer in python/django and i told them i needed a workstation to get started, so they said write up a parts list
[11:44] <airtonix> http://dpaste.com/528293/
[11:46] <airtonix> i'm most likely going to end up being main IT guy, so I want to start thinking about server cabinets and appropriate switches and server cases etc
[11:46] <head_victim> airtonix: good stuff, where abouts?
[11:46] <airtonix> in adelaide
[11:46] <head_victim> Nice work.
[11:47] <airtonix> yeah they asked my university lecturer to put out a call for python/django programmers and i answered
[11:48] <airtonix> was too easy considering there is practially noone at the university that knows python/django
[11:48] <airtonix> ikt, the quality of stuff we were doing at thebarton is basically on par with first year of university.
[11:49] <ikt> nice airtonix :D
[11:49] <ikt> o rly?
[11:49] <airtonix> ikt: yeah so if you can do the stuff at thebarton and move onto tafe in the city, i wouldn't really bother going to uni unless you really want to
[11:50] <airtonix> main thing you should aim for is the cisco certification
[11:50] <ikt> all I want is a piece of paper that says: "ikt is a good bloke, give him lots of money" and then people do that
[11:50] <airtonix> yeah well depends on what you want that piece of paper to say you're good at working with
[11:50] <head_victim> ikt: I'll take one as well, I'll even pretend my name is ikt if you can't change the name.
[11:51] <airtonix> ikt: tafe and thebarton will only qualify you with windows environments
[11:52] <airtonix> ikt: where as the university at least has 50% of the stuff done in Sun Solaris with Gnome desktops
[11:53] <ikt> I'm looking to get into database stuff
[11:53] <ikt> I've heard there's big money in managing databases/backends
[11:53] <airtonix> yeah
[11:54] <airtonix> i decided along time ago that i'd just learn enough to deal with website backends
[11:54] <airtonix> it gets ugly past that if you hate maths
[11:54] <airtonix> but having said that, it's worth paying attention to Postgres
[11:55] <ikt> definitely, not sure about the future of oracle
[11:55] <airtonix> The other thing that apparently will get you some attention is knowledge with setting up virtualised server farms
[11:55] <ikt> they seem to be making more enemys than friends
[11:56] <airtonix> well yeah
[11:56] <airtonix> your other options are MySQL which is ok but not stellar
[11:56] <airtonix> or MsSQL
[11:56] <airtonix> hoho
[11:57] <airtonix> But i hear there is another called MongoDB
[11:57] <airtonix> seems to be impressing some people
[11:58] <ikt> looking it up now 
[11:58] <airtonix> head_victim: have you had experience purchasing server cabinets?
[11:58] <head_victim> airtonix: I have 4 in my house
[11:58] <airtonix> thats right
[11:58] <airtonix> where did you get yours
[11:58] <head_victim> Freebies
[11:59] <head_victim> I do remember a few people talking about it on ausnog though and they had some recommendations
[11:59] <airtonix> my brief search shows they are pretty expensive
[11:59] <head_victim> Maybe check the archives?
[11:59] <head_victim> Oh yeah, they're not cheap.
[11:59] <head_victim> And they hold value as second hand
[11:59] <airtonix> sturdy things
[12:00] <head_victim> Heavy things to. Mine aren't all full depth though so that makes it slightly better
[12:00] <airtonix> wish i still had access to the metal fabrication workshop
[12:00] <head_victim> Mine are at most 800mm deep door to door.
[12:00] <airtonix> sqaure?
[12:00] <head_victim> The wall cabinet one is much shallower.
[12:01] <head_victim> Nah they're all 600 wide
[12:02] <head_victim> It is easy to lean behind me here to measure though I must admit.
[12:02] <airtonix> http://www.server-racks-australia.com.au/rack_cabinets.asp
[12:02] <head_victim> Makes storing computer type stuff so easy.
[12:02] <head_victim> Don't want too much over 43ru or it's hard to get to
[12:02] <head_victim> 42*
[12:03] <head_victim> They're bloody cheap, has to be a reason for that
[12:04] <head_victim> racktechnologies.com.au is one of the places I've seen used before at work
[12:08] <airtonix> something like this i think : http://racktechnologies.com.au/default2.asp?id=1,9,16,41
[12:08] <head_victim> Yeah I have a wall mount that is around 18ru
[12:08] <head_victim> The one with all my desktops in it
[12:09] <head_victim> Heavily modded to add a castor wheel base and collapsed a bit at the back to allow 4ru cases to poke out, a timber stand for the tv on top and 2 8port power boards fastened to the timber stand at the rear.
[12:11] <sagaci> This for storage?
[12:12] <head_victim> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45015261@N04/sets/72157623060452960/
[12:13] <head_victim> The wall mount I've modded is for the 4 desktops we have in this room
[12:14] <head_victim> The monitors are all now either 22inch 1920 x 1080 or 24 inch 1920 x 1200
[12:14] <head_victim> Consolidated the servers into 1 and now just use the bottom of the full rack as a slide out tray with 2 tool kits on it.
[12:16] <airtonix> sagaci: i'm considering something that is : lockable, can hold a variety of 19" rack mount devices (switchs, storage bays, servers) and hopefully allows for airflow extraction
[12:17] <airtonix> and enough room for the cable managers on the front of relevant devices
[12:17] <head_victim> I know a few places in Brisbane I'd try but nothing in Adelaide sorry
[12:18] <head_victim> If your new workplace has agreements in place with electrical places they're not too bad either, jr turk and the like
[12:18] <airtonix> what do you think about using high end atom cpus in servers?
[12:18] <airtonix> http://www.mini-itx.com/store/select-RACK.asp
[12:18] <head_victim> My server has a quad core 2.33
[12:19] <head_victim> Depends on what you need it to do really. If an atom is enough why not
[12:19] <airtonix> yeah would be nice to keep heat and electricity usage down
[12:19] <sagaci> File server?
[12:20] <head_victim> Depends, software raid 10 might slow on an atom, I'd like to see tests before I was comfortable.
[12:20] <airtonix> at the momen i use a 1.6ghz dual core atom 550 cpu on my home server for torrents, nfs, samba, webserver, dns, dhcp and it never goes above 10% cpu
[12:20] <airtonix> i don't use raid at the moment
[12:21] <head_victim> Yeah but depends on how many users are connected to it, in a business with 100 users using it might be a little IO different to a home server ;)
[12:21] <airtonix> yeah but i 'd also be separating key elements into separate machines
[12:21] <sagaci> Netbook as home server?
[12:21] <airtonix> no
[12:22] <head_victim> But it's possible.
[12:22] <airtonix> something like this : http://www.jetway.com.tw/pic/big/NC9C.jpg
[12:22] <airtonix> i have a 4 port sata daughter board for it so it handles 8 sata drives
[12:23] <airtonix> my variant of that motherboard also has 2 gigabit lan ports
[12:23] <airtonix> and i made a custom fan cooler to strap onto the heatsink
[12:23] <sagaci> Running ubuntu server?
[12:24] <airtonix> well not server, but all the relevant server daemons
[12:24] <head_victim> I still put a gnome desktop over my server, I only boot into it when I want to use the spare cpu cycles for transcoding media or something
[12:25] <airtonix> yeah it's useful for ssh x forwarding
[12:25] <airtonix> but i usually just use ssh > byobu
[12:25] <head_victim> I'm thinking of setting up a dircproxy like blahdeblah did so I can use it better on my phone, but I've got to see how that's going to work first
[12:26] <sagaci> Did you get the defy?
[12:27] <head_victim> Yeah, will set it up this week sometime, I have a 32gb sd card and a case in the mail
[12:27] <sagaci> Ah ok
[12:28] <head_victim> It's going to take a bit of time as I want to bugger around and see if I can get the syncML stuff working or not
[12:29] <airtonix> ohhh
[12:29] <airtonix> syncML, the android phone has some sync feature with that
[12:30] <head_victim> I cbf with a whole funambol server I'll just be happy to get it to go to evolution like my nokia has done for the last 5 years
[12:30] <airtonix> private version of all the sync stuff everyone usually uses
[12:30] <sagaci> head_victim, did you say you used evolution or thunderbird for email?
[12:30] <head_victim> Currently I sync contacts and calendar over BT to my PC
[12:30] <head_victim> sagaci: I use evolution for contacts and calendars, I use gmail web for email. 
[12:50] <head_victim> airtonix: nice idea about the rack atom though, definitely worth looking into for myself 
[12:56] <airtonix> yeah, you can get miniitx boards for lga1155 and lga1156 socket cpus
[12:57] <airtonix> i'm not exatly sure what the power savings would be there, since in my brief research it's the atom cpu and ion gpu that do most of the power saving
[12:58] <head_victim> Nah I mean for the desktops I want, I already have my desktops in a rack
[12:58] <airtonix> might take up less room and generate less noise
[12:58] <head_victim> Yep
[12:58] <airtonix> the noisiest thing in my "server cabinet" is the air extraction system
[12:59] <head_victim> Mine is the 24 port netgear switch
[12:59] <airtonix> yeah the switches we used at thebarton were old cisco switches... pretty noisy
[12:59] <airtonix> they didn't give a toss what kind of fans they used when they were built i spose
[13:00] <head_victim> Unfortunately reasonable quality ones are designed for server rooms and who cares how loud they are as long as they do the job right
[13:00] <airtonix> they assume your room will be sound / temp proof anyway
[13:01] <head_victim> Yeah, unfortunately my study isn't even air conned atm
[14:54] <airtonix> http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=558_1087&products_id=16782
[14:54] <airtonix> the only monitor i can find that is able to do 1920x1080 with hdmi output and 
[14:54] <airtonix> it can't do vesa mount
[14:54] <airtonix> :<
[14:56] <head_victim> hdmi>dvi is easy though?
[14:57] <head_victim> Same signal different plugs, hdmi/dvi>vga is not so easy.
[14:58] <airtonix> yeah i guess
[14:59] <bwright> Hi
[14:59] <head_victim> Gday bw
[14:59] <head_victim> bwright: tab fail
[14:59] <bwright> Tab fail ^_^
[14:59] <head_victim> airtonix: I have dvi only on all monitors and video cards, pain in the rear end paying for a 4 port dvi kvm though
[14:59] <airtonix> i just use synergy
[15:00] <head_victim> As do I, but I need a KVM for full screen gaming
[15:00] <head_victim> The gaming machine is the client so whenever I go to full screen the mouse goes scrambled
[15:00] <airtonix> you have to press scroll lock
[15:00] <head_victim> Yeah it locks it on the screen but still makes it uncontrollable
[15:00] <airtonix> converts movements to relative instead of absolute
[15:01] <airtonix> it's not perfect though since there is alot more latency thant direct connection
[15:02] <head_victim> Still buggers up for me though even if it's locked to the screen
[15:02] <head_victim> Can't control it at all
[15:03] <bwright> I wish I could game on my Ubuntu box again, will have to get that graphics card fixed.
[15:03] <head_victim> Maybe I should play it windowed.
[15:03] <head_victim> I could still play 1900 x 1100 or something
[15:03] <airtonix> what game is it
[15:04] <head_victim> Urban Terror
[15:04] <airtonix> isn't that available on linux?
[15:04] <airtonix> it's just a mod for quake3 after all
[15:04] <head_victim> Yes, I have 2 UBuntu machines, one for irc, web browsing , etc, the other for gaming and VMs and HDTV, etc
[15:05] <airtonix> the only reduction in performance i notice when gaming through synergy to my desktop is the mouse lag.
[15:06] <airtonix> it's not even really lag
[15:06] <head_victim> Yeah I should set it up windowed and see if that helps I guess.
[15:06] <head_victim> It would be fine if it was on the server machine but it's on a client machine
[15:17] <bwright> Heh my main pc has an uptime of 27 days.
[15:18] <head_victim> My usual downtime is when a storm takes out power
[15:20] <head_victim> Rebooting is for kernel updates and hardware changes :)
[15:21] <bwright> Exactly.
[15:23] <head_victim> Well with the experiences of the last 6 months I'd have to add hardware failures to that list, which eventually results in hardware changes I guess.
[15:26] <bwright> Same
[15:26] <bwright> I have had hardware fail, motherboard died :(
[15:27] <head_victim> Well I have to go to bed, need to be awake again in 4 hours, cheerio
[15:28] <bwright> Same
[15:28] <bwright> Cya
[15:29] <bwright> (Well 8 hours but still ^_^ sleep is nice)