[00:12] <IdleOne> maybe #ubuntu-studio
[00:12] <IdleOne> little late now
[00:39] <hypatia> #math
[00:39] <bazhang> larious seems to be confused or trolling
[00:40] <rww> #calcu... j/k
[00:40] <bazhang> calcujk?
 seems familiar
[03:48] <rww> same person as tunnel1 earlier, at least.
 {ever been virtually raped by a cyberbot before}?
[04:56] <Illuminati> Dear, I need your help to put order in # ubuntu in Brazil, things are getting serious out there, such as insults and words of homophobia and racism, I count on your help, as already reported abuse and nothing was done.
[04:56] <Pianesi> I know you dont know me at all. And i undernstand the answer you probably are going to give me is no. But, im 15 yrs old...and my domain expires tommorow. Do you think there is a way that i can borrow 8 bucks to renew it and ill pay you back wendsday? Please?
[04:57] <Illuminati> The channel is #ubuntu-br
[04:57] <rww> Illuminati: #ubuntu-irc for LoCo channel problems. #ubuntu-ops is for core channels.
[04:57] <Illuminati> ok
[05:04] <hypatia> Pianesi: you can probably renew your domain without losing it for a few days after it expires
[05:04] <hypatia> Pianesi: for .com it's 30 days before it goes into redemption, i think
[06:20] <genii-around> Can someone grab user ubuntu in #k ? i don't have any command aliases on my netbook yet for op stuff
[06:23] <rww> genii-around: /msg chanserv op #kubuntu rww and tell me what you want doing
[06:23] <Tm_T> what is it?
[06:24] <rww> ah, nvm, real op ^ :)
[06:24] <genii-around> spanish user not understanding /join #ubuntu-es and basically spamming. but I'm tired and no command aliases here yet as explained, etc
[06:25] <Tm_T> he stopped so maybe he succeeded
[06:25] <Tm_T> no...
[06:28] <genii-around> Tm_T: Thanks
[07:57] <rww> What would be the easiest way to poke Canonical people to modify irclogs.ubuntu.com so that it uses rel="nofollow" as an attribute to external links?
[08:04] <hypatia> rt
[08:04] <hypatia> rww: easiest, not sure if it's most likely to succeed though ;)
[08:05] <rww> I'm thinking "make patch, email to RT, pester a Canonical employee every time I see URL spam in #ubuntu until RT ticket is actioned"
[08:07] <hypatia> rww: did they roll their own irc logging thingy or is it something that should go upstream?
[08:15] <Tm_T> hypatia: IIRC it's just irssi with http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/
[08:15] <hypatia> heh
[08:15] <Tm_T> and something
[08:15] <hypatia> should be a dead-easy fix then
[08:16] <popey> the pages have that url on them :)
[08:16] <popey> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/03/%23edubuntu.html for example :)
[08:16] <popey> which confirms that
[08:16] <Tm_T> that's how I know about it
[10:22] <moelman> oh I see I can access one of the ubuntu channels I found thats interesting.
[10:22] <moelman> wondering y not the main one.
[10:27] <genii-around> moelman: If you do not have an issue which requires channel moderator attention ( like you are appealing a ban in one of the #ubuntu channels or so ) then this channel is not one you were likely looking for.
[10:28] <moelman> but I cant get into #ubuntu
[10:28] <genii-around> @btlogin
[10:29] <Flannel> moelman: What's your IP address?
[10:29] <moelman> genii-around: what does that mean
[10:29] <moelman> Flannel: hold on just looking
[10:29] <moelman> Flannel: just who is me
[10:29] <genii-around> moelman: It means I am looking to see if you are banned or not
[10:30] <Flannel> moelman: No, you've got a cloak, please whois yourself and give me the hostname you're connecting from (you can query me if you would prefer it to remain private)
[10:30] <moelman> Flannel: ok I dont know how to do that myself
[10:30] <Flannel> moelman: You'll see a line "is connected from yadda-yadda"
[10:31] <Flannel> moelman: /whois moelman
[10:35] <moelman> Flannel: ok I om you
[10:47] <moelman> Flannel: any luck on that please
[10:47] <moelman> I did pm
[10:47] <Flannel> moelman: Trying to sort it out
[10:47] <moelman> ok thankw alot
[10:48] <ikonia> wiat
[10:48] <ikonia> this is it-me-again
[10:48] <ikonia> telling lies
[10:48] <ikonia> this ban will not be removed
[10:49] <ikonia> meowbuntu/its-me-again/hideho
[10:49] <genii-around> Ah, chronic offender
[10:49] <ikonia> please stop waisting this teams time, if you attempt to gain access to ubuntu channels again by deception I'll report this to freenode for them to deal with as a network issue
[10:50] <ikonia> moelman: please leave now
[10:52] <ikonia> moelman: if you don't respond I'll progress this with freenode as this is a persistant issue with you
[11:31] <jpds> Hm.
[11:31] <ikonia> looking
[11:35] <jpds> Bored.
[11:40] <Frots> jpds: ikonia told me to come in here, since you are not replying to my query
[11:42] <Frots> !ops
[11:42] <LjL> Frots: not a good idea ;(
[11:42] <Frots> I dont get this stuff
[11:42] <Frots> LjL: what you mean?
[11:42] <LjL> Frots: !ops is only for emergencies, please don't use it like that
[11:43] <LjL> Frots: are you banned from #ubuntu?
[11:43] <Frots> LjL: \yes, and ikonia told me I should come in here since the ban is incorrect
[11:43] <ikonia> no I didn't
[11:43] <ikonia> I said you speak to jpds
[11:43] <Frots> I already tried querying the operator in private
[11:43] <ikonia> I didn't say the ban was incorrect
[11:44] <Frots> ikonia: I didnt say you said that
[11:44] <ikonia> just clarifying,
[11:44] <Frots> sorry man :)
[11:44] <ikonia> not a problem
[11:45] <Frots> anyway LjL, jpd﻿s is not even replying anywhere
[11:45] <Frots> :s
[11:45] <Frots> And my problem is still not fixed
[11:45] <Frots> never shouldve made the switch :(
[11:45] <LjL> Frots: i suspect he's not around, however i think the idea is that you should try speaking to him when he's around before another op deals with the problem
[11:46] <Frots> LjL: but he just banned me 5 minutes ago
[11:46] <Frots> so I think he should be around
[11:46] <LjL> Frots: maybe wait here some 10 minutes (i don't suppose we'll die if he idles here for 10 minutes, right?)
[11:46] <Frots> what is it with this linux irc community. it seems it is not allowed to be new
[11:47] <Frots> LjL: that is true
[11:47] <Frots> I have pateince\
[11:47] <Frots> (not the game)
[11:47] <LjL> Frots: well i haven't read the logs too carefully yet, but it seems there was trolling going on, where you didn't seem new
[11:48] <ikonia> you have been banned before a few times
[11:48] <Frots> I didnt even know about trolling since I just googled it
[11:48] <Frots> ikonia: impossible
[11:48] <ikonia> as part of the older archlinux group who used to come in trolling
[11:48] <ikonia> ok - now that's a lie
[11:48] <LjL> Frots: besides, even if you're new, how can you possibly believe using swearwords on the bot and giving malicious commands is ok?
[11:49] <Frots> LjL: I read fsck
[11:49] <Frots> so I said fuck
[11:49] <Frots> I thought he made a typo
[11:49] <LjL> :|
[11:49] <Frots> that isnt really swearing is it?
[11:49] <Frots> ikonia: archlinux?
[11:49] <Frots> how is that a lie
[11:49] <Frots> you are confusing man
[11:50] <ikonia> archlinus, yes a linux distribution and irc channel
[11:50] <ikonia> linux
[11:50] <ikonia> I've banned you personally before
[11:50] <Frots> must be within 2 weeks
[11:50] <ikonia> no
[11:50] <Frots> I didnt even know irc before lol
[11:50] <ikonia> ok - I'm going to leave this here now as I won't deal with lies
[11:51] <Frots> ikonia: I think you confuse me with soimeone else
[11:51] <ikonia> mp
[11:51] <ikonia> no, I don't
[11:51] <Frots> ikonia: how come I dont know you then?
[11:52] <LjL> short memory?
[11:52] <Frots> this is not funny anylonger
[11:52] <ikonia> Frots: your account has been on freenode since 2008 - so stop wasting this channels time and leave
[11:53] <ikonia> Frots: please leave, if you ever want to discuss it with out time wasting lies, you're welcome back
[11:53] <Frots> ikonia: seriously
[11:53] <ikonia> yes
[11:53] <ikonia> good bye
[11:53] <Frots> this is not my machine
[11:53] <ikonia> bye now
[11:53] <LjL> Frots: and that's another lie
[11:53] <Frots> LjL: how do you know that?
[11:53] <Frots> (im in a internet cafe btw)
[11:54] <ikonia> please leave this channel
[11:54] <Frots> ikonia: I will if I can join #ubuntu again
[11:55] <ikonia> no
[11:55] <LjL> Frots: i predict that ban will not be lifted anytime soon
[11:55] <ikonia> please leave now, you will not be unbanned
[11:55] <Frots> that is not possible, please read my last message
[11:55] <ikonia> Frots: type /part - it is possible
[11:56] <Frots> come one guys: -- | You have been invited to #ubuntu by FloodBot2
[11:56] <Frots> this is not funny
[11:56] <ikonia> !ops
[11:58] <genii-around> Frots: Floodbot1 actually
[11:59] <Frots> genii-around: ? that message is what I got
[11:59] <ikonia> Frots: I apologise for the message floodbot sent you, however it won't change anything so please leave this cahnnel
[12:01] <Frots> i﻿konia: apology accepted. If nothing changes, nothing changes
[12:01] <ikonia> thank you, now please leave the channel
[12:04] <ikonia> Frots: do you understand that I'm asking you to leave the channel ?
[12:04] <Frots> ikonia: yes
[12:04] <ikonia> Frots: why are you not leavine ?
[12:04] <Frots> ikonia: I already told you I wouldn't, it is freenode :)
[12:04] <ikonia> leaving
[12:04] <Frots> I will be quiet now
[12:04] <ikonia> why are you always a problem user
[12:05] <ikonia> this is such a waste of time
[12:05] <Frots> ikonia: I just want support like the rest, equally
[12:05] <Frots> I know I can get annoying if people are being hosytile to me
[12:05] <ikonia> yes, but that's not going to happen, you have been banned multiple times, so it's not going to happen
[12:05] <Frots> just dont act so hostile :)
[12:05] <Frots> every time same story
[12:05] <ikonia> you have wasted our time by telling lies in here, so you will not be unbanned
[12:06] <Frots> get over yourself :)
[12:06] <Frots> elitists
[12:06] <ikonia> ok, at least you've now confirmed your lies, so we can %100 end it
[12:07] <Frots> ikonia: where did I confirm anything?
[12:07] <ikonia> Frots: you said it's always the same
[12:07] <ikonia> meaning this has happened before
[12:07] <Frots> yes
[12:07] <Frots> well first time on IRC
[12:07] <ikonia> earlier you said you had only just started using irc
[12:07] <ikonia> anyway, I'll leave it there
[12:08] <Frots> ikonia: these things happen on internet man
[12:08] <Frots> the www
[12:08] <ikonia> Tabmow: could you please remove frots from this channel,
[12:09] <ikonia> Tabmow: none of our team with +o are available
[12:10] <Tabmow> Frots: are you being nasty?
[12:10] <LjL> no, he's new to IRC
[12:10] <Frots> Tabmow: I was asking for help, I got the answer anyway now
[12:10]  * LjL ducks
[12:10] <ikonia> you are refusing to leave the channel
[12:10] <ikonia> you are telling lies to this channel,
[12:10] <ikonia> the conversation is over,
[12:10] <Frots> er,m
[12:10] <ikonia> please leave the channel
[12:11] <Frots> why?
[12:11] <ikonia> because the process of ban resolution has ended
[12:11] <jpds> Frots: See /topic.
[12:11] <Frots> /topic
[12:11] <Frots> hmm
[12:11] <LjL> oh please
[12:11] <ikonia> as I've told you
[12:11] <Frots> ah
[12:11] <Frots> didnt read it
[12:11] <Frots> sorry
[12:11] <ikonia> Tabmow: could you please assist us by removing this user from the channel
[12:11] <Tabmow> Frots: if your issue has been dealt with then you can leave, it's part f the process and makes it easier for ops to deal with people.
[12:12] <Frots> Tabmow: yeah I understand
[12:12] <Frots> would be easier if ikonia just explained it :)
[12:12] <ikonia> it was explained
[12:12] <ikonia> and you confirmed you understood
[12:12] <Frots> ikonia: leave it man
[12:12] <Frots> that is just lies
[12:13] <ikonia> Tabmow: assistance please, this is a waste of time
[12:13] <Frots> anyway
[12:13] <Frots> thank you for you time Tabmow
[12:13] <Tabmow> Frots: thanks, bye.
[12:13] <LjL> [12:54:07] <ikonia> please leave this channel   [12:54:51] <Frots> ikonia: I will if I can join #ubuntu again[12:55:06] <ikonia> no   [12:55:10] <LjL> Frots: i predict that ban will not be lifted anytime soon   [12:55:17] <ikonia> please leave now, you will not be unbanned   [12:55:44] <Frots> that is not possible, please read my last message[12:55:55] <ikonia> Frots: type /part - it is possible
[12:13] <LjL> just so nobody thinks ikonia is the one lying...
[12:13] <ikonia> thank you
[12:14] <ikonia> appreciated
[12:14] <LjL> now in -ot
[12:14] <Tabmow> no problems
[12:15] <ikonia> LjL: obvious that was coming, but the pre-emptive ban stuff stops it
[12:16] <LjL> at least now i have your public key without having to look it up on launchpad!
[12:16] <ikonia> ?
[12:16] <ikonia> ahh, is that what he pasted ?
[12:16] <LjL> i thought so
[12:16] <ikonia> not my key
[12:16] <marienz> why was he pasting an ssh pubkey?
[12:16] <LjL> it says Matthew Darcy
[12:17] <LjL> i have no idea, some retaliation against ikonia i assumed
[12:17] <ikonia> oh wait, is my public key
[12:17] <jpds> So... that makes no sense.
[12:17] <ikonia> people can put that on their machines if they would like me to have access :)
[12:18] <ikonia> I think he's missed the point of the word "public key"
[12:19] <genii-around> Well, daybreak just now here. Regardless of coffee intake I need to head to bed. Good night all
[12:23] <ikonia> can we help you ubuntuNots ?
[12:23] <ikonia> frots again
[13:23] <jussi> Good afternoon peoples
[13:38] <ikonia> hello llua
[13:38] <llua> hi
[13:38] <ikonia> how can we help you today ?
[13:38] <Tm_T> I presume you're here due to a banforward I did set some time ago
[13:39] <ikonia> ah, I'll leave that to you then Tm_T
[13:40] <llua> i was banned from where?
[13:40] <Tm_T> one moment, I have to doublecheck this
[13:43] <Tm_T> llua: indeed, a banforward it is, I did set it because of your quit message, so we can discuss it
[13:44] <llua> i was just there. like no less then 5 mins ago.
[13:44] <llua> when was i banned?
[13:44] <Tm_T> Mar 31
[13:45] <Tm_T> so apparently I have failed with the banmask, but no worries
[13:47] <Tm_T> llua: all I'm after is that you agree you won't anymore do quitmessages like "Quit: <pronto> i like my women how i like my filesystems ... FAT and 16"
[14:35] <nicofs> Hello. I was banned from #ubuntu - can i get that somehow revoked?
[14:37] <IdleOne> nicofs: I see in the logs it says you were asking offtopic questions
[14:37] <IdleOne> about ARM
[14:38] <IdleOne> Can I trust you understand what #ubuntu is for and what the channel supports?
[14:38] <nicofs> IdleOne, well, in a way, i did at first, but i changed my approach...
[14:38] <IdleOne> nicofs: give me just a moment to read a little more here
[14:39] <nicofs> IdleOne, please do so....
[14:41] <IdleOne> nicofs: I will remove the ban with the condition that you agree to stick to the channel topic
[14:41] <IdleOne> agreed?
[14:42] <IdleOne> that includes not asking about unsupported architectures
[14:42] <nicofs> IdleOne, in principle, yes - but I still don't see why a generic problem becomes off-topic as soon as it happens on an arm-architecture...
[14:42] <IdleOne> because there is a generic ##linux channel
[14:43] <IdleOne> #Ubuntu only supports Ubuntu and the official derivatives
[14:43] <IdleOne> arm is not yet official.
[14:44] <IdleOne> like mneptok had explained to you if/when it does become an officially support arch we will support that also
[14:45] <nicofs> So if i want to learn/ask about xrandr/gdm/xorg in general, that's also off-topic in #ubuntu?
[14:45] <IdleOne> nicofs: you went through this before with mneptok. general linux questions can be asked in ##linux
[14:46] <IdleOne> if it is directly related to ubuntu I suppose yes you can ask about that
[14:46] <IdleOne> but only on arches that are supported
[14:47] <nicofs> IdleOne, i think this is some sort of grey area... that rationale would make approx. 80% of questions asked generic linux questions and off-topic
[14:47] <IdleOne> nicofs: which is why we ask people to use common sense.
[14:48] <nicofs> IdleOne, maybe my common sense is a bit off in that respect...
[14:48] <IdleOne> nicofs: you appear to me to be bright enough to know when and where to ask questions and if in doubt you are always welcome to come back here to make sure.
[14:49] <IdleOne> The ban has been removed. Please join #ubuntu to make sure I got it right.
[14:50] <nicofs> IdleOne, i'm back there - thanks. Maybe there should be a clear guideline as to what is on/off-topic. Because i don't think the current one is too clear...
[14:51] <IdleOne> nicofs: it would be nice to have such a list.
[14:54] <IdleOne> nicofs: apparently there is a #ubuntu-arm
[14:54] <IdleOne> perhaps the people there would be able to help you
[14:54] <LjL> nicofs: Ubuntu technical support questions are on-topic. aside from the question of whether ARM is official, in general, questions about "please explain to me the architecture of X" are not on-topic, and would be better asked in ##linux
[14:55] <LjL> that was just an example by the way, i'm not saying that's what you asked, i have no idea
[14:57] <nicofs> LjL, i know too well that ARM-architecture is beyond the scope of normal ubuntu support. but i still don't believe that all issues on an ARM system are ARM specific... if i go to #ubuntu-arm to ask them how to set up my network printer they'd surely refer me back to #ubuntu...
[14:57] <nicofs> (i didn't try, though...)
[14:58] <jussi> nicofs: I think we all agree there
[14:58] <IdleOne> probably would, unless setting up a printer on arm is majorly different.
[15:00] <IdleOne> nicofs: this is where the common sense thing comes into play. use your best judgement and things should be fine and if someone redirects you to a different channel, try that channel, don't argue with them.
[15:00] <LjL> nicofs, ok but then some questions about Linux Mint (or Backtrack or other Ubuntu or Debian derivatives) may not be specific to the distribution, and they could as well be answered by an Ubuntu user. the issue is, how do we know in advance? there may be some difference we aren't aware of. so things that are not [official] Ubuntu aren't supported.
[15:02] <nicofs> the thing is: with some problems you don't see if they are related to architecture or not without working on them... and as far as knowledge and experience goes #ubuntu is a very good resource...
[15:04] <LjL> nicofs: in that case, do what IdleOne said - try asking, and if it's not ARM-dependant someone will likely try to answer, but if someone redirects you because you're not using actual Ubuntu, they have a valid reason to do that as well, so avoid arguing that. if something actually is a grey area, then the only way to deal with it is by common sense.
[15:05] <nicofs> i googled my problem and found that users of supported architectures have the same problem - i had hoped someone who solved it was at ubuntu... but i somehow clashed with the wrong person...
[15:06] <LjL> nicofs: i could tell you to check whether someone is an op before arguing, but that's not really fair, the right thing is to either respect their advice regardless if you think they're right, or attempt to solve the disagreement in PM otherwise, don't you think :P
[15:07] <IdleOne> arguing in the channel is never good
[15:08] <nicofs> Well, i got kicked with the words "game over" - that shows a lot doesn't it? apparently to some being op is a game of showing who's in power - to me it's trying to get help...
[15:09] <IdleOne> nicofs: ops are human also, we don't always chose our kick messages perfectly.
[15:09] <LjL> nicofs: well, if you feel that way about the specific incident, you probably should try talking about it with mneptok when he's around
[15:14] <nicofs> hmm... i don't think that would lead anywhere... maybe i should just avoid #ubuntu in future...
[15:15] <LjL> nicofs: that's your choice, but to me you seem like a reasonable person who could easily manage not to get banned while at the same time being able to get help in the channel, so i think it would be your less
[15:16] <IdleOne> would also be a shame to lose a user who could probably help out in #ubuntu also
[15:17] <nicofs> LjL, well in that case my reason was off, wasn't it? And so far I have never been banned for such a trivial thing (i consider it to be)...
[15:17] <IdleOne> the reason for the ban was not the offtopic question but the arguing if it was offtopic
[15:19] <IdleOne> anyway, I think we can agree that we will all try harder to be better? :)
[15:20] <nicofs> maybe in some cases one should just agree to disagree and leave it at that...
[15:20] <IdleOne> we could do that also
[15:22] <nicofs> hmm... maybe i overstepped a bit. anyhow - i have to do some work now and since i shouldn't idle here ill leave the channel...
[15:22] <IdleOne> have a good day
[15:22] <nicofs> thanks, same to you
[15:22] <IdleOne> thank you
[15:22]  * mneptok yawns
[15:22] <mneptok> good morning
[15:24] <IdleOne> morning mneptok
[15:24] <mneptok> salut!
[15:24] <IdleOne> sleep well?
[15:25] <mneptok> as well as can be expected, given the boogeyman under my bed.
[15:28] <IdleOne> You know we have cookies and coffee in the semi secret logged op channel
[15:30] <mneptok> yes, and as soon as i can afford more RAM to keep up with requisite IRC windows, i'll /join :)
[15:31] <IdleOne> Don't expect us to save you any cookies :)
[15:32] <mneptok> no one ever does, so why start now? ;)
[15:32] <mneptok> oh, and may i just say ....
[15:33] <jussi> :( no cookies for me - Im on a low carb diet.
[15:33] <mneptok> HUSKIES! CONNECICUT HUSKIES! CONNECTICUT H-U-S-K-I-E-S!
[15:52] <jussi> you know, I found a peanut butter cookie recipe  for the atkins diet :D
[16:02] <knome> awwh
[16:45] <ikonia> !mint
[16:46] <charlie-tca> not even freenode?
[16:46] <ikonia> nope, perfect
[18:47] <Daniel0108> hi
[18:48] <Daniel0108> I'm the founder of the Ubuntu Austria LoCo :)
[18:48] <Daniel0108> And there's already #ubuntu-at
[18:49] <Daniel0108> is there a way to transfer #ubuntu-at to me?
[18:49] <Daniel0108> because I'm the official LoCo leader
[18:50] <Daniel0108> paultag told me to ask here for channel transfer :)
[18:54] <LjL> actually i think the correct channel is #ubuntu-irc but i guess people here can help you anyway
[18:54] <LjL> i think the answer is that yes, you can have it transfered to you
[18:59] <Daniel0108> okay, thank you, LjL and WHO can transfer it to me?
[19:00] <LjL> a member of the IRC Council, i believe
[19:01] <Daniel0108> are you a member?
[19:01] <Daniel0108> LjL: ^
[19:01] <LjL> nope, but i'm trying to see if there's a member who's not away
[19:01] <Daniel0108> okay, thank you
[19:07] <Daniel0108> LjL: you found one? :)
[19:07] <LjL> Daniel0108: no, the one who seemed the least idle isn't replying so far. you may want to leave a note in #ubuntu-irc-council
[19:08] <Daniel0108> okay
[19:08] <Daniel0108> can I just copy&paste what I wrote here? :)
[19:08] <Daniel0108> LjL: ^
[19:09] <LjL> Daniel0108: just point them to here, they'll have a look at this channel. you may want to give them your launchpad page so they can easily see you're you
[19:09] <Daniel0108> okay
[19:10] <Daniel0108> btw: The LoCo council still has to transfer the Austria LoCo page to me :P
[19:38] <Tm_T> don't know what I'm doing wrong, but llua is able to join -ot when he's banforwarded to here
[19:40] <IdleOne> ban seems set properly
[19:40] <IdleOne> try removing the ban and resetting
[19:41] <Tm_T> meh, I rather see it removed after discussion
[19:41] <Tm_T> if he refuses to talk to me, then I'll do that
[19:41] <Tm_T> IdleOne: but thanks, just a bit weird it works sometimes (:
[19:41] <IdleOne> /mode -b+b old@ban new@ban
[19:42] <IdleOne> also if he is in the channel when not supposed to be, remove him.
[19:43] <Tm_T> he should just answer to one simple question, it's not like his presence is not desired or something
[19:43] <Tm_T> so I'm trying a soft approach first
[19:44] <IdleOne> oh about his quit message
[19:44] <Tm_T> yup
[19:44] <IdleOne> yeah I saw he had joined here but he left before the discussion was over it seemed
[19:44] <Tm_T> that
[19:45] <IdleOne> I can't see why the ban is not forwarding here
[19:45] <Tm_T> me neither, it's... weird
[19:46] <IdleOne> does +F need to be set in -ot also?
[19:47] <Tm_T> no
[19:48] <IdleOne> got me