[01:14] <Squirm> good evening
[11:21] <Squirm> good morning
[11:48] <klaasvakie> howzit
[11:49] <klaasvakie> I've been running ubuntu netbook remix on an old laptop, and i've upgraded to natty which i've been periodically updating after that
[11:50] <klaasvakie> after todays update though, my unity desktop is gone, and i'm seeing the gnome panels again
[11:50] <klaasvakie> unity doesn't seem to be an option in the gdm menu
[11:51] <Tonberry> i pity the team who needs to release that in a month
[11:51] <klaasvakie> and i've reinstalled ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings
[11:52] <klaasvakie> any other ideas?
[11:52] <klaasvakie> b.t.w. i've actually been very happy with the unity UI and before today, haven't had any issues
[11:53] <klaasvakie> never been a gnome fan, but I like unity
[11:53] <Tonberry> my first contact with unity was installing the 11.04 beta in virtualbox yesterday
[11:53] <Tonberry> so i know less than you do...
[11:54] <klaasvakie> hehe
[11:54] <klaasvakie> it's a pity because the google results are just full of people bitching about unity, I assume the useful pages are like 10 screens down
[11:59] <klaasvakie> brb, gonna try something
[12:02] <klaasvakie> beh, no luck
[12:20] <tumbleweed> klaasvakie: it's listed as "Ubuntu Desktop Edition" in gdm
[12:20] <tumbleweed> all you need is to have ubunttu-desktop installed
[12:21] <klaasvakie> tumbleweed, thanks let me try
[12:22] <|3o|3> tumbleweed: you using unity?
[12:23] <klaasvakie> tumbleweed, I don't have "Ubuntu Desktop Edition", I have "Ubuntu" and "Ubuntu Classic" and then some failsafe stuff
[12:23] <tumbleweed> |3o|3: yeah :/
[12:24] <|3o|3> tumbleweed: :D
[12:24] <|3o|3> I'm loving it
[12:24] <tumbleweed> klaasvakie: aah, it's now called "Ubuntu"
[12:25] <klaasvakie> yeah, "Ubuntu" gets me to the gnome panels
[12:25] <tumbleweed> you need supported hardware, though. I don't think unity-2d is ready
[12:25] <klaasvakie> i've been running unity for months now
[12:25] <klaasvakie> it works
[12:25] <|3o|3> tumbleweed: well, depending on how you define hardware
[12:25] <|3o|3> I mean, my netbook handles it fine :/
[12:25] <nuvolari> xfce ftw :D
[12:25] <klaasvakie> it just doesn't want to work after todays update
[12:25] <tumbleweed> klaasvakie: oh, it crashes a lot
[12:26] <marcog> tumbleweed: so wait, does that mean natty won't work without 3d acceleration?
[12:26] <tumbleweed> marcog: you don't need to use unity
[12:26] <marcog> tumbleweed: ok
[12:26] <klaasvakie> tumbleweed, no it doesn't crash, I just can't *get* into unity anymore
[12:26] <klaasvakie> when I log in I get the gnome panels
[12:26] <klaasvakie> I can't get the unity interface back
[12:27] <|3o|3> marcog: I don't has real 3d acceleration, and it works. Albeit not always THAT snappily
[12:27] <marcog> tumbleweed: are you going to be the poor sole unity "expert" at the release party? :P
[12:27] <tumbleweed> marcog: :P
[12:27] <tumbleweed> |3o|3: intel graphics works best
[12:28] <|3o|3> tumbleweed: I think I may have those yes... not sure.
[12:28] <klaasvakie> mine is running fine on a "radeon mobility"
[12:29] <marcog> klaasvakie: ati is the worst :/
[12:29] <marcog> wrt linux support
[12:29] <klaasvakie> yeah, but the new libdrm +kms stuff seems to be pretty stable
[12:29] <tumbleweed> yeah, it's got botter
[12:29] <klaasvakie> as in way better than 6 months ago
[12:29] <tumbleweed> better
[12:30] <klaasvakie> the powersaving stuff got merged in 2.6.37 which helped a lot
[12:30] <klaasvakie> and 2.6.38 seems to have added a lot of bugfixes (seeing lot less glitches etc.)
[12:30] <klaasvakie> and kms is nice :)
[12:33] <klaasvakie> ah, google seems to think that it could be a stale saved-session, brb
[13:33] <marcog> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/01/ubuntu1004_beta_review/
[13:33] <marcog> :-/
[13:36] <Tonberry> i pity the devs
[13:37] <Tonberry> that need to release that
[13:37] <Tonberry> so very very soon
[13:37] <marcog> i'm glad i've skipped over this problem by switching to xmonad :)
[13:38] <Tonberry> haha
[13:38] <Tonberry> perhaps it is time that i should as well
[13:39] <marcog> most the people i know that have tried it out have loved it
[13:39] <marcog> and never gone back
[13:39] <Tonberry> with a default config?
[13:39] <marcog> maybe in 2 years time unity will be better and worth trying out
[13:39] <Tonberry> or with a customised one?
[13:39] <marcog> nah, i configure it a lot
[13:39] <Tonberry> ah
[18:30] <Kilos> evening everyone
[18:30] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:30]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:31] <Kilos> hey Squirm howzit going
[18:31] <Squirm> hey there Kilos 
[18:31] <Squirm> how you doing?
[18:31] <Kilos> well ty
[18:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:35] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:35] <Maaz> You're Welcome I'm sure
[19:19] <nuvolari> Kilos!!
[19:19] <nuvolari> :>
[19:19] <nuvolari> naand oom
[19:19] <Kilos> lo nuvolari gaan dit goed
[19:20] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dat ek oom nou weer vir 'n slag sien
[19:20] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit met oom?
[19:20] <Kilos> ja ek is min hier op die oomblik ook seun
[19:20] <Kilos> kom groet net elke paar daie
[19:20] <Kilos> goed dankie
[20:04] <tumbleweed> gimp in unity => kak
[21:16] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[22:07] <Squirm> lo
[23:15] <WezzoG> hey