[04:04] <ScottK> claydoh: I've got a Latitude D430 (same as D630, but smaller screen) - it's probably the best laptop I've ever owned.
[04:09] <claydoh> ScottK: nice :) I think I got a deal on it, haven;t seen any go for what I paid. I am very happy with it so far, tho 2 more gb ram would be sweet
[04:10] <ScottK> Yup.  That's my major complaint at this point.
[04:10] <ScottK> As long as I keep the number of browser windows under control it's OK.
[05:05] <c2tarun> can anyone please look at this error https://i68121578.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/68121578/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.kdebindings_4%3A4.6.2-0ubuntu1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=4dcdf2540060f046fac2fa45925310be
[08:43] <bambee> morning
[09:22] <bambee_> quassel bugs... I just see 8 users on #kubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-devel, however with webchat.freenode.net it works just fine o_O
[09:23] <bambee_> (or freenode I don't know)
[09:27] <tsimpson> bambee: netsplits
[09:28] <tsimpson> webchat and your client were connected to different servers, which wern't connected, so wern't sharing user lists
[09:28] <bambee> tsimpson: ok
[09:28] <bambee> interesting
[09:30]  * bambee needs a lot of coffee anyway :P
[10:16] <Riddell> good morning
[11:26] <stikonas> Riddell: systemsettings-kde3 looks unmaintained in kde repository (since Kubuntu moved to KDE4), so I moved it to tags/unmaintained/3/
[11:28] <Riddell> stikonas: fine with me, I don't think I even knew there was such a branch
[11:28] <stikonas> it was unmaintained for maybe 4 years...
[11:38] <afiestas> Riddell: pingpongping
[11:41] <Riddell> hi afiestas 
[11:46] <afiestas> Riddell: BlueDevil RC has been tagged and the tarbal is being uploaded to all mirrors
[11:46] <afiestas> in 3 days (the 6th) we will release the final version just in time I think
[11:46] <afiestas> is that ok?
[11:47] <steveire> Riddell: steveire@kubuntu.org should work by now, right?
[11:49] <Riddell> afiestas: lovely
[11:49] <Riddell> steveire: I believe so, it should forward to whatever LP considers your primary address
[11:49] <afiestas> Riddell: oks, one small question (tricky one :p)
[11:50] <afiestas> to be able to release 1.1 before 6th, we hold back some small improvements that were not finished
[11:50] <steveire> Riddell: Ok, not working so I'll get in touch with rt@ubuntu
[11:50] <afiestas> the idea is to make small updates (aka, 1.1.1, 1.1.2, 1.1.3) containing this changes
[11:51] <afiestas> is that acceptable for Kubuntu?
[11:51] <Riddell> afiestas: yes that would work
[11:51] <afiestas> I'm talking about small small features such being able to connect to a device from the KCM (just a button)
[11:51] <Riddell> as long as it's clear to packagers they are new feature releases (even if minor features)
[11:52] <afiestas> or being able to share a folder from properties dialog (just a plugin which creates a symlink) etc
[11:52] <yofel> steveire: it took almost 3 days for me until @kubuntu.org activated
[11:53] <afiestas> Riddell: so these new releases won't get into Kubuntu stable updates?
[11:55] <jussi> steveire: can take up to a week to activate
[11:56] <Riddell> afiestas: new releases usually don't anyway, they would go in the updates PPA or in backports
[11:59] <steveire> Ok. I'll see what rt says and then fix the wiki. It says two days there
[12:01] <afiestas> Riddell: then, patch releases will contain only bug fixes (1.1.1, 1.1.2, 1.1.3) while versions such (1.2, 1.3, 1.4) will contain these small improvements
[12:02] <jussi> hrm, my volume control has a huge lag (~30 sec) - anything I can do to debug and help peoples find out the cause? 
[12:03] <yofel> jussi: do you have a huge file in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmix/profiles/ ?
[12:03] <jussi> yofel: jussi@squirrel:~/.kde/share/apps/kmix/profiles$ ls -la
[12:03] <jussi> total 2084
[12:03] <jussi> drwx------ 2 jussi jussi    4096 2011-03-02 16:04 .
[12:03] <jussi> drwx------ 3 jussi jussi    4096 2011-03-02 11:30 ..
[12:03] <jussi> -rw-r--r-- 1 jussi jussi     492 2011-03-02 16:04 PulseAudio.Capture_Devices.1.default.xml
[12:04] <jussi> -rw-r--r-- 1 jussi jussi     411 2011-03-02 16:04 PulseAudio.Capture_Streams.1.default.xml
[12:04] <jussi> -rw-r--r-- 1 jussi jussi     484 2011-03-02 16:04 PulseAudio.Playback_Devices.1.default.xml
[12:04] <jussi> -rw-r--r-- 1 jussi jussi 2109692 2011-04-01 16:09 PulseAudio.Playback_Streams.1.default.xml
[12:04] <jussi> whoops, bit of a large paste ther
[12:04] <jussi> but yes.
[12:04] <yofel> hm, not that large, but could be same as lp 720882
[12:05] <yofel> I once had a >100MB PulseAudio.Playback_Streams.1.default.xml in there which made kmix practically useless, I purged the directory, now I don't have any files, but kmix still seems to work fine...
[12:07] <jussi> lol. I just renamed the large file, and now it works. heh, thanks yofel
[12:07] <yofel> apachelogger_: got and idea about that? ^
[12:08] <jussi> as I have said previously, pulse is of the devil :P
[12:10] <apachelogger_> butterfly
[12:10] <apachelogger_> yofel: I think coling fixed that or something
[12:10] <apachelogger_> best ask him
[12:17]  * steveire reboots installs natty on primary workstation. Wish me luck...
[12:32] <jussi> How borked are things currently on natty?  are we expecting major borkage still?
[12:32] <jussi> oh, and does kubuntu have an equivalent of update-manager?
[12:35] <yofel> upgrades are done by do-release-upgrade, regular updates are done with kpk AFAIK, and natty works mostly fine for me
[12:36] <yofel> apachelogger: hm, thanks, I'll poke later then
[13:02] <Riddell> jussi: beta is reasonable beta quality, no major borkage.  kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade runs the correct upgrade command
[13:03] <jussi> Riddell: ahh, thanks!
[13:03] <davmor2> Riddell: No, your just not trying to break it hard enough :D
[13:05] <Riddell> steveire: how did it go?
[13:06] <steveire> Riddell: No annoying dialogs yet from nepomuk, but one of my screens doesn't work.
[13:06] <steveire> I seem to have yofels attention in +1 though :)
[13:18] <skfin> jussi: You have a birthday now?
[13:22] <skfin> Must be an old topic or something
[13:23] <skfin> Ah, last eveining, dont know about timezone
[13:24] <skfin> Anyway, jussi, happy birthday :P
[13:25] <jussi> :D
[13:25] <jussi> thanks skfin, yes its today
[13:25] <jussi> oooh, fun! 
[13:25] <jussi> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[13:25] <jussi> E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
[13:27] <skfin> Actutually, hyvää syntymäpäivää jussi :D
[13:27] <jussi> oooh, kiitos!
[13:27] <skfin> April is best month to have a birthday, lol.
[13:27] <jussi> skfin: you too?
[13:27] <skfin> Yea :)
[13:28] <skfin> 16th
[13:28] <jussi> skfin: my family has loads of aprilites - my brother on the 3rd, me 4th, brother 6th, mother 13th... :D
[13:28] <skfin> Lol :D
[13:30]  * apachelogger once had birthday in april
[13:30] <apachelogger> didn't like it ... weather was crap
[13:30] <apachelogger> just like now
[13:30]  * apachelogger kisses the sun goodbye and welcomes them silly clouds
[13:30] <apachelogger> the cloud is everywhere, scary
[13:30]  * apachelogger expects google docs to fall out of it
[13:30] <apachelogger> my
[13:31] <apachelogger> I think I had too much coffee
[13:33] <skfin> Me too
[13:34] <skfin> In both ways, I think that you had too much coffee, and I had too much coffee
[14:10] <bambee> Riddell: I have read your email, phonon and qzeitgeist are on revu
[14:10] <bambee> hey btw
[14:10] <bambee> I doubt about phonon symbols files but the rest should be okay
[14:11] <Riddell> bambee: great,I'll look at them shortly
[14:12] <bambee> you already have looked at qzeitgeist
[14:13] <bambee> Riddell: then I think I will upload them to kubuntu-ninjas/ppa and then ask  FFes
[14:21] <Riddell> bambee: go ahead
[14:21] <bambee> Riddell: ok
[14:35] <steveire> This pim stuff is a bit of a mess.
[14:35] <steveire> We fixed a bunch of things wrt how applications use akonadi in the 4.5 cycle
[14:35] <steveire> Less annoying dialogs.
[14:36] <steveire> Might need to find some relevant patches and backport.
[14:39] <steveire> Might even be a small patch to just KAddressBook... Will investigate later
[14:39] <Riddell> steveire: bug 740488 is the one I believe is causing a default akonadi error box on new user first kontact startup
[14:40] <Riddell> steveire: we also have the issue that it doesn't work on the live CD because nepomuk isn't running there
[14:40] <Riddell> steveire: any other issues, feel free to let us know and proposed patches
[14:46] <steveire> Riddell: That's not the cause of the one I saw I think, but we'll get a 1.5.2 release out for that soon. I'll get a patch together for the issue I saw. We can just make KAddressBook call some kdepimlibs4.6 API if built against 4.6
[14:51] <steveire> Riddell: kontact4.4 doesn't seem to be able to use kwallet 4.6. Known issue?
[14:53] <Riddell> steveire: not by me
[14:55] <steveire> Ok.
[14:56] <steveire> Hmm, now it works...
[14:57] <Riddell> seaLne: how's your kontact experience in natty?
[15:05] <Riddell> steveire: I do get this kwallet error http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kmail1.png
[15:06] <Riddell> and then this one "There have been repeated failed attempts to gain access to a wallet. An application may be misbehaving."
[15:08] <steveire> Yes, I got those as well
[15:08] <steveire> Could it be secret service stuff or polkit?
[15:08] <steveire> I'll investigate I guess.
[15:10] <Riddell> steveire: kwallet isn't polkit related so I guess it's an issue in kwallet 4.6
[15:10] <Riddell> steveire: the edit menu has an elipsis after it "Edit..." any idea what that's about?
[15:11] <steveire> Nope. I don't see that here.
[15:18] <ScottK> Riddell: I get the misbehaving one, but yet the mail goes through.  No idea what causes it.
[15:19] <seaLne> i've had the wallet stuff to
[15:19] <seaLne> but generally things have been fine recently
[15:22] <seaLne> ScottK: are you having to specify the password and it saving in the kmail config instead of wallet and maybe not noticing?
[15:23] <ScottK> It's whatever I did years ago when I set kmail up on this laptop.
[15:27] <Riddell> I can't find my password in kwallet or kmail config files, but it does connect without asking when I start up
[15:28] <seaLne> Riddell: btw have you heard of anyone having problems with no longer being able to use hdmi or vga outputs on a laptop (intel) as i haven't been able to find any bugs and not entirely sure where to look, it happened around the time i got back india
[15:29] <seaLne> xrandr doesn't list them anymore
[15:29] <Riddell> seaLne: I'm afraid I haven't
[15:29] <Riddell> asking X people would be the way I'd go, #ubuntu-x
[15:30] <seaLne> i guess in some ways its good that its not a general problem
[15:32] <Riddell> depends from who's point of view
[15:32] <seaLne> other peoples
[16:04] <bambee> Riddell: Is it possible for a beginner to subcribe to the kde-packagers mailing-list ? I would like to package kdebase but I cannot since I have not access to its tarball (I reported a bug to sysadmin@kde.org) 
[16:04] <bambee> If it's too complicated and not possible, I understand
[16:05] <seaLne> Riddell: as janc kindly pointed out an upgrade had helpfully uninstalled the intel driver so i was using vesa... grr
[16:05] <ScottK> seaLne: That's worth a bug as it shouldn't do that.
[16:06] <Riddell> bambee: that doesn't need you to be on kde-packagers, that needs access to ktown
[16:07] <Riddell> bambee: for which I need your ssh key
[16:07] <seaLne> its more a warning about don't upgrade your system when have a sleep not noticing what apt is saying it is about to do
[16:08] <bambee> Riddell: see lp:bambi and upload the two keys (desktop and laptop)
[16:09] <Riddell> bambee: ssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[16:09] <ScottK> seaLne: True, but we have update-manager specifically to help avoid problematic scenarios.
[16:09] <bambee> Riddell: it works just fine :)
[16:09] <rbelem_> hi Riddell :-)
[16:10] <Riddell> hi rbelem_, I added filesharing to the seeds
[16:11] <rbelem_> Riddell, do you have some free time to take a look on those patches? :-)
[16:11] <rbelem_> Riddell, cool :-)
[16:11] <seaLne> is it inttended for use during normal updates? i've only ever used it for version changes
[16:11] <rbelem_> Riddell, did you see a bug for the filesharing?
[16:12] <Riddell> rbelem_: mm, sorry haven't been able to look at the patches yet, do you have a packaging branch with them in?
[16:12] <Riddell> rbelem_: no I didn't see a bug for the filesharing
[16:13] <seaLne> ScottK: been happily using apt-get update&&apt-get dist-upgrade for nearly 10 years now :)
[16:13] <ScottK> OK.
[16:13] <ScottK> Well then you do have to pay  attention.  Fair enough.
[16:14] <rbelem_> Riddell, not yet. do i have rights to branch?
[16:14] <rbelem_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/352358
[16:15] <seaLne> is pa setting volume to 0 each time kde starts still normal?
[16:15] <ScottK> No.
[16:17] <Riddell> rbelem_: the fun thing about distributed revision control is anyone can branch, bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu, edit, bzr add <files>, bzr commit, bzr push lp:~<lp-login>/kdelibs/<branchname>  then ask for a merge
[16:17] <rbelem_> cool :-)
[16:19] <afiestas> Riddell: http://svn.muiline.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/obex-data-server/tags/REL-0_4_6/
[16:19] <afiestas> (0.4.6 is available)
[16:19] <Riddell> afiestas: anything new?
[16:20] <afiestas> http://tadas.dailyda.com/blog/2011/04/04/obex-data-server-0-4-6/
[16:20] <afiestas> nope afaik
[16:21] <steveire> Damn. Just realized I've installed 32bit kubuntu on a system that I should have installed the 64 bit system on
[16:22] <steveire> There's no upgrade path apart from reinstall, right?
[16:22] <Riddell> steveire: right
[16:23] <bambee> Oops... qzeitgeist and phonon are badly versionned ... 
[16:23]  * bambee blames himself
[16:23] <Riddell> bambee: how so?
[16:23] <bambee> I will fix it o_O
[16:23] <bambee> Riddell: I just forgot ~ppa1
[16:24] <bambee> for both
[16:24]  * steveire wgets http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64.iso 
[16:26] <Riddell> bambee: hard to fix that if a larger version has been uploaded.  did you do the FFe bugs?
[16:26] <Riddell> steveire: unless you're wanting to do daily live CD testing it might be more reliable to get beta 1
[16:46] <bambee> Riddell: I can upload ~ppa1 and when the build is finished I can remove the other .. nop ?
[16:46] <Riddell> bambee: "nop"?
[16:46] <bambee> Riddell: I will report bugs for FFe now
[16:47] <bambee> Riddell: well skip the "nop"
[17:01] <ScottK> When I search for kontact in kicker, I get two entries.  Anyone else?
[17:02] <Riddell> yes
[17:02] <ScottK> Seems like a bug ...
[17:02] <Riddell> the other one is the kcontrol module
[17:02] <Riddell> for some reason kcontrol modules were added to kickoff searching
[17:04] <ScottK> At the very least it ought to have a different name ..
[17:05] <ScottK> kontact control or something.
[17:05] <Riddell> it's not even used in system settings
[17:06] <Riddell> would be good to find out where it is used before renaming
[17:06] <ScottK> Certainly.
[17:36] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: hi, are you participating in GSoC?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: i hope to, yes
[17:37] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: great :) can you please suggest me some project which I could join (considering the fact that I am new :()
[17:38] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I have been looking on this list http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas but failed to find any :(
[17:38] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: the question would be, what are you interested in
[17:39] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: any kind of development related to Qt/C++, I dont know anything more specific.
[17:40] <shadeslayer> erm .. well, for eg. i'm interested in Telepathy and collaborative services, that's why i've applied for telepathy
[17:40] <shadeslayer> so if you're intrested in say KDE Multimedia, look at Amarok/Phonon
[17:42] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I thought first but I guess most guys better and experienced than me are interested in multimedia so I droped that plan :( but I would love to join anything related to cryptography :) is there anything?
[17:43] <steveire> which package provides vim syntax highlighting?
[17:43] <shadeslayer> hmm.. no idea on that, but it's not necessary that only ideas on that page are valid, you can submit your ideas as well
[17:43] <apachelogger> vim?! :P
[17:43] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:43] <c2tarun> what about vim?
[17:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: neat application .. i thought you were mentoring this time?
[17:44]  * apachelogger did not yet actually apply :P
[17:44] <steveire> http://dpaste.org/Xwq1/ ?
[17:45] <steveire> Ah, vim inded
[17:45] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:45] <apachelogger> steveire: did you install vim? 
[17:45] <steveire> indeed*
[17:45] <steveire> apachelogger: I did now :)
[17:45] <apachelogger> vi != vim :P
[17:45] <steveire> shadeslayer: So how can we update the kdepim 4.6 packages?
[17:45] <shadeslayer> steveire: via the experimental PPA?
[17:45] <steveire> If I were to get involved in such a thing for example
[17:46] <steveire> Are amazon cloud instances used for that these days?
[17:46] <steveire> For building the packages I mean
[17:47] <shadeslayer> steveire: well .. sure, but you can build them on your machine as well
[17:49] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I just asked for one project and mentor rejected :(
[17:49] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: i really can'
[17:49] <shadeslayer> *i really can't advice ...
[17:57] <apachelogger> what is this about?
[17:58] <bambee> Riddell: FFe bugs have been opened
[17:59] <Riddell> steveire: you want more up to date packages to be available to users?
[17:59] <Riddell> bambee: numbers?
[18:00] <nixternal> ScottK: /usr/share/kde4/services/kontactconfig.desktop is the 2nd kontact entry in krunner/kickoff
[18:00] <Riddell> nixternal: but where is it used?
[18:00] <bambee> bug 750480
[18:00] <bambee> bug 750473
[18:00] <Riddell> nixternal: and while you're around, do you have a reference for the ktorrent bug you mentioned a while ago?
[18:01] <nixternal> Riddell: it isn't used anywhere that i can see. all it contains in the app is 'Always start with plugin:'
[18:01] <nixternal> i would have to search for that ktorrent reference
[18:01] <Riddell> steveire: can you confirm /usr/share/kde4/services/kontactconfig.desktop isn't used, can we delete it to stop it cluttering up kickoff?
[18:01] <nixternal> though, i am using the latest ktorrent, and it still seems to freeze when it checks storage space. even if i disable it, it still freezes momentarily
[18:02] <Riddell> nixternal: oh, doesn't sound like like we should do the upgrade then
[18:03] <Riddell> neversfelde_: what's the state of kdegraphics 4.6.2?
[18:09] <nixternal> i don't see where this kontactconfig is being used at all. don't see it is system settings and i definitely don't see it in kickoff anywhere
[18:12] <Riddell> nixternal: you have to search for it in kickoff and it only shows up in 4.6
[18:12] <nixternal> yeah, you get the same results in both kickoff & krunner
[18:12] <nixternal> i don't see the purpose of it though
[18:12] <nixternal> all it allows you to do is change the default startup plugin for kontact.
[18:13] <nixternal> which is an option in kontact settings, but i don't see where to get to it other than via kontact itself. ie. it isn't in system settings anywhere that i can see.
[18:16] <Riddell> sounds like it can go then
[18:17] <nixternal> i would check upstream and make sure they don't have some cryptic setting location or some crap first. though i don't even see the reason at first glance of why this would even be a necessary config outside of kontact settings itself
[18:19] <Riddell> best wait for steveire to answer then
[18:22] <c2tarun> Riddell: I tried hard but still didn't find anything for GSoC so right now I am free, :( is there any work?
[18:23] <Riddell> c2tarun: 4.6.2 needs packaging https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[18:23] <bambee> Riddell: I cannot connect to ktown from my desktop
[18:23] <c2tarun> Riddell: sure I'll take it :)
[18:24] <Riddell> c2tarun: want to take kdeedu?  I havn't started yet
[18:24] <c2tarun> Riddell: yup :)
[18:24] <ScottK> Just did a maverick -> natty kubuntu-desktop upgrade with no file conflicts in a chroot.
[18:25] <c2tarun> Riddell: can you please start and ec2, I am free tonight, may be I can work on more than one packages.
[18:25] <Riddell> bambee: try now
[18:25] <bambee> Riddell: it works, thanks
[18:26] <Riddell> c2tarun: ec2-50-17-106-72.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[18:27] <c2tarun> Riddell: thanks :)
[18:28] <c2tarun> Riddell: I am getting Permission denied (publickey). why so?
[18:31] <c2tarun> Riddell: ping
[18:31] <Riddell> c2tarun: hmm, dunno, I'm locked out too
[18:31] <Riddell> let me set up another
[18:31] <c2tarun> sure
[18:33] <Daskreech> Riddell: ping, Can KUbuntu enter GSoC by itself?
[18:34] <tazz> Daskreech, i think the org would be ubuntu
[18:34] <Riddell> c2tarun: ubuntu@ec2-50-17-164-214.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[18:34] <tazz> and kubuntu projects would come under the same umbrella.
[18:34] <Riddell> Daskreech: mentoring organisations were decided some time ago
[18:34] <tazz> but sadly ubuntu did not get selected this year.
[18:34] <tazz> so maybe next time.
[18:35]  * c2tarun taking kdeedu
[18:36] <Riddell> c2tarun: please update the wiki page, remove my name add yours
[18:36] <c2tarun> ok
[18:37] <Daskreech> Riddell: Not this year. Just in general
[18:37] <Daskreech> tazz: well Ubuntu hardly gets selected they don't seem to want to participate very much
[18:38] <Riddell> Daskreech: theoretically yes
[18:39] <Daskreech> ok
[18:40] <bambee> why kdebase is suffixed with "a" ?, ie  4:4.6.1a
[18:40] <bambee> (the source package)
[18:40] <Riddell> it means upstream updated the tar before release
[18:40] <Riddell> so don't use an a for 4.6.2
[18:40] <bambee> ok
[18:42] <apachelogger> look at me, I am flying
[18:43] <Riddell> oh good, apachelogger has discovered python at last
[18:45]  * apachelogger loves the pythonz
[18:45] <apachelogger> I should write a book about it
[18:49] <c2tarun> Riddell: kdeedu has no watch file, from where can I get its latest version?
[18:51] <Riddell> c2tarun: from ktown
[18:52] <c2tarun> what is ktown?
[18:52] <Riddell> c2tarun: it's the KDE server that hosts the tars for new releases, you have access from the last packaging you did, ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[18:54] <c2tarun> Riddell: what do you mean by I have access from the last packaging I did?
[18:56] <Riddell> c2tarun: from whatever packaging you did of 4.6.1 or 4.6.0
[18:57] <Riddell> bambee: qzeitgeist and phonon uploaded, thanks for packaging
[18:57] <Riddell> phonon uploaded without qzeitgeist (too late for new untested features which bring in new packages to the CD)
[18:57] <Riddell> but the library is there for others to use
[18:57] <c2tarun> Riddell: I got what is ktown, but I am still now getting how to get a tarball from there, googling it didn't helped
[18:58] <Riddell> c2tarun: scp ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org:stable/4.6.2/src/kdeedu* .
[18:58] <Riddell> doing that on your machine will copy it to your machine
[18:58] <Riddell> then to the equivalent to copy it to the ec2 machine
[18:58] <c2tarun> okay....
[18:59] <bambee> Riddell: yw :)
[18:59] <c2tarun> Riddell: I am getting permission denied
[19:00] <bambee> Riddell: I don't understand... will phonon work without qzeitgeist ?
[19:00] <Riddell> bambee: it'll work it just won't do whatever magic qzeitgeist added
[19:00] <bambee> ohh ok
[19:00] <bambee> I am just curious :)
[19:02] <Riddell> c2tarun: your ssh key is in the authorised file
[19:02] <Riddell> c2tarun: you won't be able to log in from the ec2 machine
[19:02] <c2tarun> ohh.....
[19:03] <c2tarun> Riddell: what if I copy ~/.ssh to ec2? will this work?
[19:03] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes but then you have to make sure you take away my access so I can't get your private key
[19:04] <c2tarun> Riddell: is there any other way to access ktown from that ec2?
[19:04] <Riddell> no
[19:04] <c2tarun> Riddell: hmm... ok then how can I take away the access?
[19:04] <Riddell> remove all but your key from ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[19:30] <neversfelde_> Riddell: just returned home. kdegraphics ftbfs yesterday
[19:51] <apachelogger> kde svn 1208598
[20:12] <bambee> apachelogger: ping
[20:12] <bambee> phonon/mediasource.h includes "mrl.h" , however it is not installed
[20:13] <bambee> see https://i68234755.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/68234755/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.kdebase_4%3A4.6.2-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=d3188c19a3ef03d05f00e1480f178d7b
[20:13] <bambee> it fails only on natty, using phonon 4.4.4 it builds fine
[20:13] <apachelogger> I got a highlight
[20:14] <apachelogger> bambee: sure it gets installed
[20:14] <bambee> so where is it ?
[20:14] <apachelogger> and url refuses to work
[20:15] <bambee> apachelogger: kubuntu-ninjas/ppa => kdebase
[20:16] <bambee> ohh
[20:16] <bambee> wait
[20:16] <apachelogger> as I said
[20:16] <apachelogger> -- Installing: /build/buildd/phonon-4.7.0really4.5.0/debian/tmp/usr/include/phonon/mrl.h
[20:17] <bambee> apachelogger: feel free to blame me xD
[20:17] <apachelogger> didn't I just do that? :P
[20:21] <bambee> :P
[20:37] <rbelem> Riddell, just requested merge :-)
[20:39] <bambee> apachelogger: could you bump phonon for me into archives ? use this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/589400/
[20:40] <apachelogger> but I am the drunk!
[20:41] <apachelogger> bambee: can I please get a debdiff of that
[20:41] <bambee> apachelogger: it's a debdiff
[20:41] <apachelogger> srsly
[20:41]  * apachelogger never noticed the diff parts
[20:41] <apachelogger> oh wellz
[20:41] <bambee> :)
[20:42]  * apachelogger starts singing a song
[20:43] <apachelogger> I do not have cdbs installllled
[20:43] <apachelogger> oh please go die you silly cdbsssss
[20:43] <apachelogger> I do not like you no moar
[20:43] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[20:43] <bambee> lol
[20:43] <apachelogger> cdbs, you are the craps
[20:43] <apachelogger> uh uh uh
[20:43] <apachelogger> dh rulez
[20:44] <bambee> 666 cdbs 666
[20:44] <bambee> :P
[20:44] <bambee> :\
[20:45] <apachelogger> up we go and down we fall
[20:46] <apachelogger> do we get fezes for uds?
[20:46]  * apachelogger makes that a session requirement
[20:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: surely easy to get them these days?
[20:47]  * apachelogger roflz from the golden girls
[20:47] <Riddell> fezes?
[20:47] <apachelogger> them jokes are killin me
[20:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: multiple fez
[20:48] <Riddell> do we have a paticular need?
[20:48] <apachelogger> http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/11-Doctor-Fez-570x321.jpg
[20:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, they are cool
[20:49] <apachelogger> also if you want a more sensible one I could tell you about how such "tokens" help establish a sense of unity within a community and blah
[20:50] <apachelogger> though surely the fact that they are cool is less boring ^^
[20:50] <bambee> lol
[21:18] <apachelogger> in sicily we used to wash our dishes in the river [...] we used to beat them against the rocks
[21:18] <apachelogger> epic
[21:22] <steveire_> Hi. I added deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu natty main and upgraded, giving me kdepim4.6. How can I now return to kdepim4.4 for testing?
[21:25] <apachelogger> there is a tool called ppa-purge, google knows more
[21:25] <apachelogger> basically it will remove every package you installed from a ppa
[21:25] <apachelogger> (a specific ppa)
[21:29] <ulysses> will kdepim 4.6 ever release?:P
[21:29] <apachelogger> sure, in 10 years
[21:29] <steveire_> I must be doing something wrong: http://dpaste.com/528747/
[21:30] <apachelogger> and even then the release date will be pulled back and forth
[21:30] <apachelogger> steveire: you need the specify the ppa
[21:30] <apachelogger> ppa-purge kubuntu-experimental I suppose
[21:32] <steveire_> aptitude still knows the version upgraded from: 
[21:32] <steveire_> [UPGRADE] kaddressbook 4:4.4.10-0ubuntu3 -> 4:4.5.94.1-0ubuntu1~ppa3
[21:32] <steveire_> Can I somehow use that to reinstall the old version?
[21:33]  * apachelogger is drunk and doesnt know a thing
[21:38] <Riddell> steveire_: you can just remove all the akonadi packages and kdepimlibs then remove the PPA and reinstall
[21:39] <Riddell> but the ppa purge stuff probably sounds better
[21:39] <steveire_> Riddell: ppa-purge seems to do the trick
[21:39] <steveire_> sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental worked
[21:42] <neversfelde> Riddell: I am busy tonight, seems that there is no chance to give kdegraphics a second try before tomorrow evening
[21:42] <steveire_> How do I make ctrl_alt_backspace work again?
[21:42] <steveire_> Sorry, I'll google it
[21:44] <steveire_> No dontzap package anymore? http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-ctrl-alt-backspace-in-ubuntu-jaunty.html
[21:52] <apachelogger> steveire: in kubuntu you can do that via the kde keyboard config thingy
[21:57] <steveire_> I can't find where...
[21:58] <apachelogger> let me try
[21:58] <apachelogger> so
[21:58] <apachelogger> you open systemsettings
[21:58] <apachelogger> there you go to input devices
[21:58] <apachelogger> then to keyboard
[21:58] <apachelogger> and then to the advanced tab
[21:59] <apachelogger> and somewhere aroudn the middle is an entry that goes like kill the crapy X server
[21:59] <apachelogger> (creative word injection might have happend there)
[22:00] <steveire_> Thanks. I'll try it out
[22:00] <steveire_> suicide squad reports success
[22:00]  * apachelogger loves killing X servers
[22:01] <apachelogger> it is the first thing I turn on in a new setup
[22:01] <steveire_> If only we could fix it in the distro...
[22:01] <apachelogger> steveire: you mean remove X? we are workign on that one :P
[22:02] <apachelogger> unless you mean the killing part, that we *could* "fix"
[22:03]  * apachelogger thinks that having it opt-in is not that bad a thing though TBH
[22:03] <steveire_> kdepim4.4 is sooo broken.
[22:04] <apachelogger> steveire_: as is 4.6 :S
[22:05] <steveire_> apachelogger: Yeah. 4.6 is fixable though :)
[22:05] <steveire_> 4.6.2 will help
[22:05] <apachelogger> ack
[23:17] <seaLne> ammusingly kmail has started not using kwallet for me again
[23:18] <seaLne> kwalletd is running but i don't have any applet for it
[23:19] <seaLne> not sure if that is just due to hiding un needed things or related
[23:52] <steveire_> seaLne: I've wondered why I get no applet for it too