=== yofel_ is now known as yofel === emma is now known as em [04:04] claydoh: I've got a Latitude D430 (same as D630, but smaller screen) - it's probably the best laptop I've ever owned. [04:09] ScottK: nice :) I think I got a deal on it, haven;t seen any go for what I paid. I am very happy with it so far, tho 2 more gb ram would be sweet [04:10] Yup. That's my major complaint at this point. [04:10] As long as I keep the number of browser windows under control it's OK. === Moot2 is now known as MootBot === evilnhandler_ is now known as evilnhandler [05:05] can anyone please look at this error https://i68121578.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/68121578/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.kdebindings_4%3A4.6.2-0ubuntu1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=4dcdf2540060f046fac2fa45925310be === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant === kozz_ is now known as kozz === Tm_T_ is now known as Tm_Tr === ulysses_ is now known as ulysses === jussi01_ is now known as jussi === markey_ is now known as markey === ferai is now known as jefferai [08:43] morning [09:22] quassel bugs... I just see 8 users on #kubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-devel, however with webchat.freenode.net it works just fine o_O === mkv is now known as m4v === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [09:23] (or freenode I don't know) [09:27] bambee: netsplits [09:28] webchat and your client were connected to different servers, which wern't connected, so wern't sharing user lists [09:28] tsimpson: ok [09:28] interesting [09:30] * bambee needs a lot of coffee anyway :P === doko__ is now known as doko [10:16] good morning === jussi01 is now known as Guest91608 [11:26] Riddell: systemsettings-kde3 looks unmaintained in kde repository (since Kubuntu moved to KDE4), so I moved it to tags/unmaintained/3/ === debfx_ is now known as debfx [11:28] stikonas: fine with me, I don't think I even knew there was such a branch [11:28] it was unmaintained for maybe 4 years... [11:38] Riddell: pingpongping [11:41] hi afiestas [11:46] Riddell: BlueDevil RC has been tagged and the tarbal is being uploaded to all mirrors [11:46] in 3 days (the 6th) we will release the final version just in time I think [11:46] is that ok? [11:47] Riddell: steveire@kubuntu.org should work by now, right? [11:49] afiestas: lovely [11:49] steveire: I believe so, it should forward to whatever LP considers your primary address [11:49] Riddell: oks, one small question (tricky one :p) [11:50] to be able to release 1.1 before 6th, we hold back some small improvements that were not finished [11:50] Riddell: Ok, not working so I'll get in touch with rt@ubuntu [11:50] the idea is to make small updates (aka, 1.1.1, 1.1.2, 1.1.3) containing this changes [11:51] is that acceptable for Kubuntu? [11:51] afiestas: yes that would work [11:51] I'm talking about small small features such being able to connect to a device from the KCM (just a button) [11:51] as long as it's clear to packagers they are new feature releases (even if minor features) [11:52] or being able to share a folder from properties dialog (just a plugin which creates a symlink) etc [11:52] steveire: it took almost 3 days for me until @kubuntu.org activated [11:53] Riddell: so these new releases won't get into Kubuntu stable updates? [11:55] steveire: can take up to a week to activate [11:56] afiestas: new releases usually don't anyway, they would go in the updates PPA or in backports [11:59] Ok. I'll see what rt says and then fix the wiki. It says two days there [12:01] Riddell: then, patch releases will contain only bug fixes (1.1.1, 1.1.2, 1.1.3) while versions such (1.2, 1.3, 1.4) will contain these small improvements [12:02] hrm, my volume control has a huge lag (~30 sec) - anything I can do to debug and help peoples find out the cause? [12:03] jussi: do you have a huge file in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmix/profiles/ ? [12:03] yofel: jussi@squirrel:~/.kde/share/apps/kmix/profiles$ ls -la [12:03] total 2084 [12:03] drwx------ 2 jussi jussi 4096 2011-03-02 16:04 . [12:03] drwx------ 3 jussi jussi 4096 2011-03-02 11:30 .. [12:03] -rw-r--r-- 1 jussi jussi 492 2011-03-02 16:04 PulseAudio.Capture_Devices.1.default.xml [12:04] -rw-r--r-- 1 jussi jussi 411 2011-03-02 16:04 PulseAudio.Capture_Streams.1.default.xml [12:04] -rw-r--r-- 1 jussi jussi 484 2011-03-02 16:04 PulseAudio.Playback_Devices.1.default.xml [12:04] -rw-r--r-- 1 jussi jussi 2109692 2011-04-01 16:09 PulseAudio.Playback_Streams.1.default.xml [12:04] whoops, bit of a large paste ther [12:04] but yes. [12:04] hm, not that large, but could be same as lp 720882 [12:04] Launchpad bug 720882 in kdemultimedia (Ubuntu) "Kmix causes my computer cpu to use 100% mainly in core 0, but both cores get affected." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/720882 [12:05] I once had a >100MB PulseAudio.Playback_Streams.1.default.xml in there which made kmix practically useless, I purged the directory, now I don't have any files, but kmix still seems to work fine... === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK [12:07] lol. I just renamed the large file, and now it works. heh, thanks yofel [12:07] apachelogger_: got and idea about that? ^ [12:08] as I have said previously, pulse is of the devil :P [12:10] butterfly [12:10] yofel: I think coling fixed that or something [12:10] best ask him === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [12:17] * steveire reboots installs natty on primary workstation. Wish me luck... === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger === Pici` is now known as Pici [12:32] How borked are things currently on natty? are we expecting major borkage still? [12:32] oh, and does kubuntu have an equivalent of update-manager? [12:35] upgrades are done by do-release-upgrade, regular updates are done with kpk AFAIK, and natty works mostly fine for me [12:36] apachelogger: hm, thanks, I'll poke later then [13:02] jussi: beta is reasonable beta quality, no major borkage. kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade runs the correct upgrade command [13:03] Riddell: ahh, thanks! [13:03] Riddell: No, your just not trying to break it hard enough :D [13:05] steveire: how did it go? [13:06] Riddell: No annoying dialogs yet from nepomuk, but one of my screens doesn't work. [13:06] I seem to have yofels attention in +1 though :) [13:18] jussi: You have a birthday now? [13:22] Must be an old topic or something [13:23] Ah, last eveining, dont know about timezone [13:24] Anyway, jussi, happy birthday :P [13:25] :D [13:25] thanks skfin, yes its today [13:25] oooh, fun! [13:25] An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade: [13:25] E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages [13:27] Actutually, hyvää syntymäpäivää jussi :D [13:27] oooh, kiitos! [13:27] April is best month to have a birthday, lol. [13:27] skfin: you too? [13:27] Yea :) [13:28] 16th [13:28] skfin: my family has loads of aprilites - my brother on the 3rd, me 4th, brother 6th, mother 13th... :D [13:28] Lol :D [13:30] * apachelogger once had birthday in april [13:30] didn't like it ... weather was crap [13:30] just like now [13:30] * apachelogger kisses the sun goodbye and welcomes them silly clouds [13:30] the cloud is everywhere, scary [13:30] * apachelogger expects google docs to fall out of it [13:30] my [13:31] I think I had too much coffee [13:33] Me too [13:34] In both ways, I think that you had too much coffee, and I had too much coffee === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [14:10] Riddell: I have read your email, phonon and qzeitgeist are on revu [14:10] hey btw [14:10] I doubt about phonon symbols files but the rest should be okay [14:11] bambee: great,I'll look at them shortly [14:12] you already have looked at qzeitgeist [14:13] Riddell: then I think I will upload them to kubuntu-ninjas/ppa and then ask FFes [14:21] bambee: go ahead [14:21] Riddell: ok [14:35] This pim stuff is a bit of a mess. [14:35] We fixed a bunch of things wrt how applications use akonadi in the 4.5 cycle [14:35] Less annoying dialogs. [14:36] Might need to find some relevant patches and backport. === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [14:39] Might even be a small patch to just KAddressBook... Will investigate later [14:39] steveire: bug 740488 is the one I believe is causing a default akonadi error box on new user first kontact startup [14:39] Launchpad bug 740488 in akonadi (Ubuntu Natty) "Akonadi complains about duplicated agent identifiers" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740488 [14:40] steveire: we also have the issue that it doesn't work on the live CD because nepomuk isn't running there [14:40] steveire: any other issues, feel free to let us know and proposed patches [14:46] Riddell: That's not the cause of the one I saw I think, but we'll get a 1.5.2 release out for that soon. I'll get a patch together for the issue I saw. We can just make KAddressBook call some kdepimlibs4.6 API if built against 4.6 [14:51] Riddell: kontact4.4 doesn't seem to be able to use kwallet 4.6. Known issue? [14:53] steveire: not by me === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant [14:55] Ok. [14:56] Hmm, now it works... [14:57] seaLne: how's your kontact experience in natty? === skaet_ is now known as skaet [15:05] steveire: I do get this kwallet error http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kmail1.png [15:06] and then this one "There have been repeated failed attempts to gain access to a wallet. An application may be misbehaving." [15:08] Yes, I got those as well [15:08] Could it be secret service stuff or polkit? [15:08] I'll investigate I guess. [15:10] steveire: kwallet isn't polkit related so I guess it's an issue in kwallet 4.6 [15:10] steveire: the edit menu has an elipsis after it "Edit..." any idea what that's about? [15:11] Nope. I don't see that here. [15:18] Riddell: I get the misbehaving one, but yet the mail goes through. No idea what causes it. [15:19] i've had the wallet stuff to [15:19] but generally things have been fine recently [15:22] ScottK: are you having to specify the password and it saving in the kmail config instead of wallet and maybe not noticing? [15:23] It's whatever I did years ago when I set kmail up on this laptop. [15:27] I can't find my password in kwallet or kmail config files, but it does connect without asking when I start up [15:28] Riddell: btw have you heard of anyone having problems with no longer being able to use hdmi or vga outputs on a laptop (intel) as i haven't been able to find any bugs and not entirely sure where to look, it happened around the time i got back india [15:29] xrandr doesn't list them anymore [15:29] seaLne: I'm afraid I haven't [15:29] asking X people would be the way I'd go, #ubuntu-x [15:30] i guess in some ways its good that its not a general problem [15:32] depends from who's point of view [15:32] other peoples [16:04] Riddell: Is it possible for a beginner to subcribe to the kde-packagers mailing-list ? I would like to package kdebase but I cannot since I have not access to its tarball (I reported a bug to sysadmin@kde.org) [16:04] If it's too complicated and not possible, I understand [16:05] Riddell: as janc kindly pointed out an upgrade had helpfully uninstalled the intel driver so i was using vesa... grr [16:05] seaLne: That's worth a bug as it shouldn't do that. [16:06] bambee: that doesn't need you to be on kde-packagers, that needs access to ktown [16:07] bambee: for which I need your ssh key [16:07] its more a warning about don't upgrade your system when have a sleep not noticing what apt is saying it is about to do [16:08] Riddell: see lp:bambi and upload the two keys (desktop and laptop) [16:09] bambee: ssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org [16:09] seaLne: True, but we have update-manager specifically to help avoid problematic scenarios. [16:09] Riddell: it works just fine :) [16:09] hi Riddell :-) [16:10] hi rbelem_, I added filesharing to the seeds [16:11] Riddell, do you have some free time to take a look on those patches? :-) [16:11] Riddell, cool :-) [16:11] is it inttended for use during normal updates? i've only ever used it for version changes [16:11] Riddell, did you see a bug for the filesharing? [16:12] rbelem_: mm, sorry haven't been able to look at the patches yet, do you have a packaging branch with them in? [16:12] rbelem_: no I didn't see a bug for the filesharing [16:13] ScottK: been happily using apt-get update&&apt-get dist-upgrade for nearly 10 years now :) [16:13] OK. [16:13] Well then you do have to pay attention. Fair enough. [16:14] Riddell, not yet. do i have rights to branch? [16:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/352358 [16:14] Ubuntu bug 352358 in kdebase (Ubuntu) ""Configure file sharing" button doesn't do anything" [Undecided,Triaged] [16:15] is pa setting volume to 0 each time kde starts still normal? [16:15] No. [16:17] rbelem_: the fun thing about distributed revision control is anyone can branch, bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu, edit, bzr add , bzr commit, bzr push lp:~/kdelibs/ then ask for a merge [16:17] cool :-) [16:19] Riddell: http://svn.muiline.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/obex-data-server/tags/REL-0_4_6/ [16:19] (0.4.6 is available) [16:19] afiestas: anything new? [16:20] http://tadas.dailyda.com/blog/2011/04/04/obex-data-server-0-4-6/ [16:20] nope afaik [16:21] Damn. Just realized I've installed 32bit kubuntu on a system that I should have installed the 64 bit system on [16:22] There's no upgrade path apart from reinstall, right? [16:22] steveire: right [16:23] Oops... qzeitgeist and phonon are badly versionned ... [16:23] * bambee blames himself [16:23] bambee: how so? [16:23] I will fix it o_O [16:23] Riddell: I just forgot ~ppa1 [16:24] for both [16:24] * steveire wgets http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64.iso [16:26] bambee: hard to fix that if a larger version has been uploaded. did you do the FFe bugs? [16:26] steveire: unless you're wanting to do daily live CD testing it might be more reliable to get beta 1 === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [16:46] Riddell: I can upload ~ppa1 and when the build is finished I can remove the other .. nop ? [16:46] bambee: "nop"? [16:46] Riddell: I will report bugs for FFe now [16:47] Riddell: well skip the "nop" [17:01] When I search for kontact in kicker, I get two entries. Anyone else? [17:02] yes [17:02] Seems like a bug ... [17:02] the other one is the kcontrol module [17:02] for some reason kcontrol modules were added to kickoff searching [17:04] At the very least it ought to have a different name .. [17:05] kontact control or something. [17:05] it's not even used in system settings [17:06] would be good to find out where it is used before renaming [17:06] Certainly. [17:36] shadeslayer: hi, are you participating in GSoC? [17:37] c2tarun: i hope to, yes [17:37] shadeslayer: great :) can you please suggest me some project which I could join (considering the fact that I am new :() [17:38] shadeslayer: I have been looking on this list http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas but failed to find any :( [17:38] c2tarun: the question would be, what are you interested in [17:39] shadeslayer: any kind of development related to Qt/C++, I dont know anything more specific. [17:40] erm .. well, for eg. i'm interested in Telepathy and collaborative services, that's why i've applied for telepathy [17:40] so if you're intrested in say KDE Multimedia, look at Amarok/Phonon === ulysses_ is now known as ulysses [17:42] shadeslayer: I thought first but I guess most guys better and experienced than me are interested in multimedia so I droped that plan :( but I would love to join anything related to cryptography :) is there anything? [17:43] which package provides vim syntax highlighting? [17:43] hmm.. no idea on that, but it's not necessary that only ideas on that page are valid, you can submit your ideas as well [17:43] vim?! :P [17:43] hehe [17:43] what about vim? [17:43] apachelogger: neat application .. i thought you were mentoring this time? [17:44] * apachelogger did not yet actually apply :P [17:44] http://dpaste.org/Xwq1/ ? [17:45] Ah, vim inded [17:45] ah [17:45] steveire: did you install vim? [17:45] indeed* [17:45] apachelogger: I did now :) [17:45] vi != vim :P [17:45] shadeslayer: So how can we update the kdepim 4.6 packages? [17:45] steveire: via the experimental PPA? [17:45] If I were to get involved in such a thing for example [17:46] Are amazon cloud instances used for that these days? [17:46] For building the packages I mean [17:47] steveire: well .. sure, but you can build them on your machine as well [17:49] shadeslayer: I just asked for one project and mentor rejected :( [17:49] c2tarun: i really can' [17:49] *i really can't advice ... [17:57] what is this about? [17:58] Riddell: FFe bugs have been opened [17:59] steveire: you want more up to date packages to be available to users? [17:59] bambee: numbers? [18:00] ScottK: /usr/share/kde4/services/kontactconfig.desktop is the 2nd kontact entry in krunner/kickoff [18:00] nixternal: but where is it used? [18:00] bug 750480 [18:00] Launchpad bug 750480 in Ubuntu "Feature Freeze Exception request for Phonon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/750480 [18:00] bug 750473 [18:00] Launchpad bug 750473 in Ubuntu "Feature Freeze Exception request for QZeitgeist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/750473 [18:00] nixternal: and while you're around, do you have a reference for the ktorrent bug you mentioned a while ago? [18:01] Riddell: it isn't used anywhere that i can see. all it contains in the app is 'Always start with plugin:' [18:01] i would have to search for that ktorrent reference [18:01] steveire: can you confirm /usr/share/kde4/services/kontactconfig.desktop isn't used, can we delete it to stop it cluttering up kickoff? [18:01] though, i am using the latest ktorrent, and it still seems to freeze when it checks storage space. even if i disable it, it still freezes momentarily [18:02] nixternal: oh, doesn't sound like like we should do the upgrade then [18:03] neversfelde_: what's the state of kdegraphics 4.6.2? [18:09] i don't see where this kontactconfig is being used at all. don't see it is system settings and i definitely don't see it in kickoff anywhere [18:12] nixternal: you have to search for it in kickoff and it only shows up in 4.6 [18:12] yeah, you get the same results in both kickoff & krunner === skaet is now known as skaet_afk [18:12] i don't see the purpose of it though [18:12] all it allows you to do is change the default startup plugin for kontact. [18:13] which is an option in kontact settings, but i don't see where to get to it other than via kontact itself. ie. it isn't in system settings anywhere that i can see. [18:16] sounds like it can go then [18:17] i would check upstream and make sure they don't have some cryptic setting location or some crap first. though i don't even see the reason at first glance of why this would even be a necessary config outside of kontact settings itself [18:19] best wait for steveire to answer then [18:22] Riddell: I tried hard but still didn't find anything for GSoC so right now I am free, :( is there any work? [18:23] c2tarun: 4.6.2 needs packaging https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [18:23] Riddell: I cannot connect to ktown from my desktop [18:23] Riddell: sure I'll take it :) [18:24] c2tarun: want to take kdeedu? I havn't started yet [18:24] Riddell: yup :) [18:24] Just did a maverick -> natty kubuntu-desktop upgrade with no file conflicts in a chroot. [18:25] Riddell: can you please start and ec2, I am free tonight, may be I can work on more than one packages. [18:25] bambee: try now [18:25] Riddell: it works, thanks [18:26] c2tarun: ec2-50-17-106-72.compute-1.amazonaws.com [18:27] Riddell: thanks :) [18:28] Riddell: I am getting Permission denied (publickey). why so? [18:31] Riddell: ping [18:31] c2tarun: hmm, dunno, I'm locked out too [18:31] let me set up another [18:31] sure [18:33] Riddell: ping, Can KUbuntu enter GSoC by itself? [18:34] Daskreech, i think the org would be ubuntu [18:34] c2tarun: ubuntu@ec2-50-17-164-214.compute-1.amazonaws.com [18:34] and kubuntu projects would come under the same umbrella. [18:34] Daskreech: mentoring organisations were decided some time ago [18:34] but sadly ubuntu did not get selected this year. [18:34] so maybe next time. [18:35] * c2tarun taking kdeedu [18:36] c2tarun: please update the wiki page, remove my name add yours [18:36] ok [18:37] Riddell: Not this year. Just in general [18:37] tazz: well Ubuntu hardly gets selected they don't seem to want to participate very much [18:38] Daskreech: theoretically yes [18:39] ok [18:40] why kdebase is suffixed with "a" ?, ie 4:4.6.1a [18:40] (the source package) [18:40] it means upstream updated the tar before release [18:40] so don't use an a for 4.6.2 [18:40] ok [18:42] look at me, I am flying [18:43] oh good, apachelogger has discovered python at last [18:45] * apachelogger loves the pythonz [18:45] I should write a book about it [18:49] Riddell: kdeedu has no watch file, from where can I get its latest version? [18:51] c2tarun: from ktown [18:52] what is ktown? [18:52] c2tarun: it's the KDE server that hosts the tars for new releases, you have access from the last packaging you did, ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org [18:54] Riddell: what do you mean by I have access from the last packaging I did? [18:56] c2tarun: from whatever packaging you did of 4.6.1 or 4.6.0 [18:57] bambee: qzeitgeist and phonon uploaded, thanks for packaging [18:57] phonon uploaded without qzeitgeist (too late for new untested features which bring in new packages to the CD) [18:57] but the library is there for others to use [18:57] Riddell: I got what is ktown, but I am still now getting how to get a tarball from there, googling it didn't helped [18:58] c2tarun: scp ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org:stable/4.6.2/src/kdeedu* . [18:58] doing that on your machine will copy it to your machine [18:58] then to the equivalent to copy it to the ec2 machine [18:58] okay.... [18:59] Riddell: yw :) [18:59] Riddell: I am getting permission denied [19:00] Riddell: I don't understand... will phonon work without qzeitgeist ? [19:00] bambee: it'll work it just won't do whatever magic qzeitgeist added [19:00] ohh ok [19:00] I am just curious :) [19:02] c2tarun: your ssh key is in the authorised file [19:02] c2tarun: you won't be able to log in from the ec2 machine [19:02] ohh..... [19:03] Riddell: what if I copy ~/.ssh to ec2? will this work? [19:03] c2tarun: yes but then you have to make sure you take away my access so I can't get your private key [19:04] Riddell: is there any other way to access ktown from that ec2? [19:04] no [19:04] Riddell: hmm... ok then how can I take away the access? [19:04] remove all but your key from ~/.ssh/authorized_keys === skaet_afk is now known as skaet [19:30] Riddell: just returned home. kdegraphics ftbfs yesterday === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [19:51] kde svn 1208598 [19:51] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1208598&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1208598 === rbelem_ is now known as rbelem [20:12] apachelogger: ping [20:12] phonon/mediasource.h includes "mrl.h" , however it is not installed [20:13] see https://i68234755.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/68234755/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.kdebase_4%3A4.6.2-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=d3188c19a3ef03d05f00e1480f178d7b [20:13] it fails only on natty, using phonon 4.4.4 it builds fine [20:13] I got a highlight [20:14] bambee: sure it gets installed [20:14] so where is it ? [20:14] and url refuses to work [20:15] apachelogger: kubuntu-ninjas/ppa => kdebase [20:16] ohh [20:16] wait [20:16] as I said [20:16] -- Installing: /build/buildd/phonon-4.7.0really4.5.0/debian/tmp/usr/include/phonon/mrl.h [20:17] apachelogger: feel free to blame me xD [20:17] didn't I just do that? :P [20:21] :P [20:37] Riddell, just requested merge :-) [20:39] apachelogger: could you bump phonon for me into archives ? use this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/589400/ [20:40] but I am the drunk! [20:41] bambee: can I please get a debdiff of that [20:41] apachelogger: it's a debdiff [20:41] srsly [20:41] * apachelogger never noticed the diff parts [20:41] oh wellz [20:41] :) [20:42] * apachelogger starts singing a song [20:43] I do not have cdbs installllled [20:43] oh please go die you silly cdbsssss [20:43] I do not like you no moar [20:43] oh oh oh [20:43] lol [20:43] cdbs, you are the craps [20:43] uh uh uh [20:43] dh rulez [20:44] 666 cdbs 666 [20:44] :P [20:44] :\ [20:45] up we go and down we fall [20:46] do we get fezes for uds? [20:46] * apachelogger makes that a session requirement [20:47] Riddell: surely easy to get them these days? [20:47] * apachelogger roflz from the golden girls [20:47] fezes? [20:47] them jokes are killin me [20:47] Riddell: multiple fez [20:48] do we have a paticular need? [20:48] http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/11-Doctor-Fez-570x321.jpg [20:48] Riddell: yeah, they are cool [20:49] also if you want a more sensible one I could tell you about how such "tokens" help establish a sense of unity within a community and blah [20:50] though surely the fact that they are cool is less boring ^^ [20:50] lol === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [21:18] in sicily we used to wash our dishes in the river [...] we used to beat them against the rocks [21:18] epic [21:22] Hi. I added deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu natty main and upgraded, giving me kdepim4.6. How can I now return to kdepim4.4 for testing? [21:25] there is a tool called ppa-purge, google knows more [21:25] basically it will remove every package you installed from a ppa [21:25] (a specific ppa) [21:29] will kdepim 4.6 ever release?:P [21:29] sure, in 10 years [21:29] I must be doing something wrong: http://dpaste.com/528747/ [21:30] and even then the release date will be pulled back and forth [21:30] steveire: you need the specify the ppa [21:30] ppa-purge kubuntu-experimental I suppose [21:32] aptitude still knows the version upgraded from: [21:32] [UPGRADE] kaddressbook 4:4.4.10-0ubuntu3 -> 4:4.5.94.1-0ubuntu1~ppa3 [21:32] Can I somehow use that to reinstall the old version? [21:33] * apachelogger is drunk and doesnt know a thing [21:38] steveire_: you can just remove all the akonadi packages and kdepimlibs then remove the PPA and reinstall [21:39] but the ppa purge stuff probably sounds better [21:39] Riddell: ppa-purge seems to do the trick [21:39] sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental worked [21:42] Riddell: I am busy tonight, seems that there is no chance to give kdegraphics a second try before tomorrow evening [21:42] How do I make ctrl_alt_backspace work again? [21:42] Sorry, I'll google it [21:44] No dontzap package anymore? http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-ctrl-alt-backspace-in-ubuntu-jaunty.html [21:52] steveire: in kubuntu you can do that via the kde keyboard config thingy [21:57] I can't find where... [21:58] let me try [21:58] so [21:58] you open systemsettings [21:58] there you go to input devices [21:58] then to keyboard [21:58] and then to the advanced tab [21:59] and somewhere aroudn the middle is an entry that goes like kill the crapy X server [21:59] (creative word injection might have happend there) [22:00] Thanks. I'll try it out [22:00] suicide squad reports success [22:00] * apachelogger loves killing X servers [22:01] it is the first thing I turn on in a new setup [22:01] If only we could fix it in the distro... [22:01] steveire: you mean remove X? we are workign on that one :P [22:02] unless you mean the killing part, that we *could* "fix" [22:03] * apachelogger thinks that having it opt-in is not that bad a thing though TBH [22:03] kdepim4.4 is sooo broken. [22:04] steveire_: as is 4.6 :S [22:05] apachelogger: Yeah. 4.6 is fixable though :) [22:05] 4.6.2 will help [22:05] ack [23:17] ammusingly kmail has started not using kwallet for me again [23:18] kwalletd is running but i don't have any applet for it [23:19] not sure if that is just due to hiding un needed things or related [23:52] seaLne: I've wondered why I get no applet for it too