[00:15] <mrdeb> ok on 1104 now
[00:16]  * BUGabundo hands mrdeb a .
[00:16] <mrdeb> . . .
[00:16] <mrdeb> < . . .
[00:16] <mrdeb> - . . .
[00:18] <myk_robinson> anyone got some info on ath9k and getting it to work properly in Natty?
[00:19] <mrdeb> so it is all compiz' fault with the ram usage. i am not using nvidia at the moment and it's at 235 mb
[00:19] <myk_robinson> is there a way to resize the "launcher" window that comes up when you press the Ubuntu logo?
[00:19] <myk_robinson> its full screen for me
[00:20] <mrdeb> you mean the icon size?
[00:20] <myk_robinson> no, the translucent black window with the results
[00:21] <mrdeb> i dont know. i'd rather have the run menu myself
[00:22] <myk_robinson> videos and screenshots I have seen show the results window smaller with a resizeable handle. On my 1366*768 resolution screen, the dang thing fills the whole screen :(
[00:22] <mrdeb> ooh that would be good
[00:22] <myk_robinson> and my dang wifi is broken.. Worked fine in Maverick. Hopefully that will get resolved.
[00:23] <mrdeb> can you compile the driver maually
[00:23] <myk_robinson> I have read that others can't for some reason. Just started looking a few minutes ago
[00:23] <MPX> Currently using 1.4 gb
[00:23] <MPX> Got empathy up, xchat and a youtube video.
[00:24] <MPX> Compiz is using over 200 mb.
[00:24] <mrdeb> yeah
[00:24] <mrdeb> i noticed that ram usage is huge
[00:24] <mrdeb> when you only use the regular driver, it stays low
[00:25] <mrdeb> what is the zeitgeist datahub
[00:39] <russjr08> netspilt!
[00:39] <mrdeb> yes. ar you ok?
[00:39] <russjr08> yup :)
[00:39] <BUGabundo> just a ruffed elbow
[00:39] <mrdeb> lets hang onto the ranft
[00:39] <mrdeb> raft
[00:39] <BUGabundo> I'll survive
[00:39] <russjr08> I wonder when they will all come back... lol
[00:42] <mrdeb> when will the open source nvidia driver be ready to compete
[00:44] <BUGabundo> prob never
[00:44] <mrdeb> ok
[00:52] <TheBuntu> whats the ppa channel
[00:52] <BUGabundo> night folks
[00:53] <BUGabundo> its late. its work week (for some). my bed misses me! my broken body misses her! better make their marriage a reality
[00:56] <arif-ali> !ppa
[00:57] <TheBuntu> arif-ali: not ppa web site..... ppa irc channel
[00:58] <Chr|s> hmm I can't get empathy to load for some reason it goes to load up and quits, no error messages
[01:02] <arif-ali> TheBuntu: Polish Amiga Portal
[01:05] <TheBuntu> arif-ali: what is that
[01:06] <arif-ali> no idea
[01:06] <arif-ali> I just popped on the channel
[01:06] <arif-ali> and they had the URL
[01:06] <arif-ali> so checked it out
[01:08] <poolie> hi
[01:08] <poolie> i just upgraded to natty
[01:08] <poolie> when i have my laptop connected to an external monitor, both screens go black
[01:08] <poolie> it works ok when it's disconnected
[01:08] <poolie> is this a known bug, or should i report it?
[01:11] <penguin42> poolie: Report it
[01:13] <phoenixsampras> is Hibernation working properly now in 11.04?
[01:18] <jrshaul> I just put together a new system, and was wondering whether I should go for the 64-bit or 32-bit version.
[01:18] <LULLING_HARD> 64 bit if you have 64 bit CPU
[01:18] <jrshaul> I remember a lot of software originally didn't work under the 64-bit version - is everything all ready to go now?
[01:18] <jrshaul> Intel i5.
[01:19] <MTughan> That's 64-bit all right.
[01:19] <LULLING_HARD> there are no 64 bit issues anymore and havent been for a while
[01:19] <MTughan> You're thinking of Windows.
[01:19] <jrshaul> Good to hear.
[01:19] <jrshaul> It still says "If you're still using 32-bit code..." on the download page.
[01:19] <jrshaul> MTughan: Hold on, now.
[01:20] <jrshaul> Windows is important and irreplaceable software.
[01:20] <jrshaul> If it weren't for Microsoft, how would we know how good we have it? :D
[01:20] <MTughan> :D
[01:20] <jrshaul> Any major bugaboos in the beta?
[01:20] <MTughan> I mean that all the 64-bit issues you were hearing about before were mainly stemming from XP x64 and 64-bit drivers from hardware manufacturers.
[01:20] <mrdeb> yes
[01:21] <mrdeb> i am using the gnome desktop, no effect
[01:21] <jrshaul> I've used Ubuntu betas before, and everything was pretty shiny, but that was quite some time ago.
[01:21] <jrshaul> No effects?
[01:21] <LULLING_HARD> Yeah Linux 64 bit has been good for years..Most of the problems were from 3rd party stuff
[01:21] <mrdeb> no effects, just installed nvidia driver, and ram usage went from 250 to 650 mb
[01:23] <LULLING_HARD> That aside, i also have a question.  I just went and upgraded my Maverick system to Natty Beta and the new kernel will not install.  I have the apport report if that would help.
[01:24] <LULLING_HARD> On my Maverick system, I purged All Pulseaudio and Alsa packages and then compiled and installed OSSv4.  I *think* this is what's causing the new kernel to fail to install.
[01:24] <LULLING_HARD> so I purged OSSv4 and then rebooted, and I still get the error
[01:31] <nit-wit> do you have any natty kernels?
[01:31] <LULLING_HARD> well I am running on the Maverick kernel right now
[01:32] <nit-wit> so you are upgraded but without the natty kernels
[01:32] <LULLING_HARD> yes basically
[01:32] <nit-wit> what is the error if any if you run a updte
[01:33] <LULLING_HARD> Hmm i think the problem is there's not enough space on /boot.  However, conky is showing 13 MB..
[01:33] <LULLING_HARD> I guess I will have to purge some kernels
[01:34] <RowanH> my resolution is 1280x800, is there any way I can force the menu to go into the smaller mode?
[01:35] <mrdeb> oh i see
[01:35] <mrdeb> LULLING_HARD: that would do it
[01:35] <frankwe> RowanH: what do you mean by 'menu'?
[01:36] <LULLING_HARD> yeah, I thought I had plenty of space..grrr
[01:36] <nit-wit> LULLING_HARD, you only have 13 mb space
[01:36] <RowanH> i don't know what it's called, the top left button / win key
[01:36] <nit-wit> LULLING_HARD, is it a wubi or regular install
[01:36] <LULLING_HARD> regular
[01:36] <LULLING_HARD> I made /boot 100MB
[01:36] <LULLING_HARD> thought that would be enough, but I guess not
[01:37] <frankwe> RowanH: you can make the launcher to the left smaller/bigger, that's all as far as i know
[01:37] <nit-wit> LULLING_HARD, run sudo apt-get autoremove and the autoclean
[01:37] <RowanH> I tried doing this, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/quick-tip-enable-full-screen-dash-in-natty-desktop/ and set it to "desktop" but it didn't work
[01:37] <LULLING_HARD> nit-wit: I am uninstalling 2.6.35.27 right now
[01:37] <LULLING_HARD> then I will do autoremove and autoclean
[01:37] <mrdeb> good luck
[01:38] <jiohdi> ok, upgrade to 11.04 beta successful... but when I went into UBUNTU as the session type, I got only docky, no other panels and no menu... is there a termainal command to access menu or menu  items?
[01:39] <nit-wit> jiohdi, logout and try the classic ubuntu to see if it is showing
[01:40] <jiohdi> k
[02:06] <mrdeb> are the window buttons wil chagne
[02:06] <Daekdroom> What change?
[02:07] <Daekdroom> They're in the left, in the following order: close,minimize,maximize, like the last release.
[02:13] <tensorpudding> the default theme hasn't changed at all either
[02:22] <ubudork> dough!!! first i upgraded ubuntu from 10.10 to 11.04 and most things worked fine exept the nvidia driver and a missing networkmanager icon. i was told here in the channel that the most likely reason for nvidia trouble was some package conflicts as a result of the upgrade. so i decided to do a clean install. the first two tries was a failure. i choosed to install updates during install resulting that i got an error at the end of the insta
[02:22] <ubudork> ll process about some destroyed packages. but none is listed up. on third try i choosed no update duing install and it kind of was successful. but i still have the same problem due to the nvidia driver and i get this error checking for updates:
[02:22] <ubudork> W:Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/no.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_universe_source_Sources  Hash Sum mismatch
[02:22] <ubudork> , E:Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[02:22] <ubudork> argh!!!
[02:23] <ubudork> anyone able to help out here?
[02:24] <bazhang> ubudork, how many times did that happen
[02:24] <ubudork> the failed to fetch error?
[02:24] <bazhang> yes?
[02:25] <ubudork> every time
[02:25] <bazhang> normal install? a wubi?
[02:25] <ubudork> normal
[02:26] <bazhang> what does "I chose to install updates during install" mean precisely
[02:27] <bazhang> only one instance of apt can run at a time, so thats not possible
[02:27] <ubudork> there is a option during install. that the installer fetch updates before installing the OS
[02:27] <bazhang> ubudork, please provide more info
[02:28] <ubudork> what info?
[02:28] <russjr08> bazhang, it basically runs update manager and then installs the updates, then installs the system
[02:28] <bazhang> you installed the nvidia driver from their site directly?
[02:29] <bazhang> russjr08, thats not a special option, thats standard
[02:29] <ubudork> from the third-party app that come with ubuntu
[02:29] <bazhang> ubudork, which one
[02:29] <bazhang> 3rd party app means does NOT come with ubuntu, btw
[02:30] <ubudork> i installed the current
[02:30] <ubudork> 270.something i think it is
[02:30] <bazhang> from where
[02:30] <ubudork> and it should support my adapter i learned
[02:30] <ubudork> from withing ubuntu
[02:31] <ubudork> the additional drivers app
[02:31] <bazhang> whats the 3rd party app name
[02:31] <ubudork> ????
 from the third-party app that come with ubuntu
[02:31] <ubudork> ubuntu only suggest one driver
[02:33] <ubudork> there is only one app in ubuntu for third-party drivers.. are you making fun of me here?
[02:35] <bazhang> ubudork, no, just trying to make sense of your situation
[02:36] <bazhang> so by 3rd party you mean "proprietary"
[02:36] <odio> interesting... 10.04 and 10.10  use,, while just sitting there  27% memory,, natty is at 70% standing still... this may sound ok  but I notice when opening apps  it tends to be a bit sluggish in comparison
[02:38] <ubudork> it is a clean install of ubuntu and i have installed the NVIDIA 270.xxxxx driver ubuntu suggest under the additional drivers "app" or what ever it is called.
[02:38] <bazhang> yep
[02:38] <odio> ubudork:  cool
[02:38] <ubudork> yes y"
 interesting... 10.04 and 10.10  use,, while just sitting there  27% memory,, natty is at 70% standing still... this may sound ok  but I notice when opening apps  it tends to be a bit sluggish in comparison
 it is a clean install of ubuntu and i have installed the NVIDIA 270.xxxxx driver ubuntu suggest under the additional drivers "app" or what ever it is called.
[02:38] <bazhang> and then it asks you to restart
[02:39] <odio> sorry
[02:39] <odio> darn fingers
[02:39] <bazhang> np
[02:39] <ubudork> yes
[02:39] <odio> ubudork:  is there an issue with the driver?
[02:39] <bazhang> so whats the problem? it says cannot support this, going to recovery mode?
[02:39] <ubudork> yes
[02:40] <ubudork> and updating the reposotory
[02:40] <bazhang> sounds like you chose a resolution beyond what your card can handle
[02:40] <ubudork> that is not the case
[02:40] <bazhang> also the recommends are not absolute in the additional drivers
[02:41] <bazhang> you have a resolution issue, and a repo fetching list issue, correct?
[02:42] <ubudork> resolution.. nope.. repo yes
[02:42] <bazhang> so nothing with the drivers
[02:42] <ubudork> had the same resolution all the time
[02:43] <bazhang> please pastebin the output of lsb_release -a and your sources.list
[02:43] <bazhang> paste.ubuntu.com , kindly
[02:44] <bazhang> cat /etc/apt/sources.list ---> paste.ubuntu.com and give us the url
[02:44] <ubudork> No LSB modules are available.
[02:44] <bazhang> not here please
[02:44] <ubudork> that was just about it
[02:44] <ubudork> for the lsb command
[02:45] <bazhang> thats not the whole output, unless you mistyped the command
[02:46] <bazhang> dont forget the -a
[02:47] <ubudork> http://pastebin.com/p7LWyGsn
[02:48] <bazhang> and sources.list please
[02:50] <ubudork> http://pastebin.com/QwCxiyZQ
[02:50] <ubudork> thats the sources.list
[02:52] <noob_> When I move my trackpad ubuntu resets to the login screen. Help?
[02:53] <arand> noob_: I've heard others with that bug, search launchpad for it
[02:53] <noob_> arand: launchpad? im a noob have know idea what that is
[02:54] <arand> !lp
[02:54] <bazhang> !bugs
[02:54] <bazhang> bugs.launchpad.net
[02:55] <ubudork> bazhang: do you find any interesting info in the pastebins?
[02:55] <bazhang> ubudork, just rechecking your error message, just a moment
[02:56] <ubudork> ok... thank you :)
[02:56] <bazhang> ubudork, you have the .no archives, right? do you get the same error when trying to switch mirrors, to say , .se ones?
[02:57] <bazhang> you can select in synaptic package manager
[02:57] <ubudork> how do i change that?
[02:57] <ubudork> ok
[02:57] <LULLING_HARD> OK, so I upgraded to 11.04 beta.  I am getting this error: http://pastebin.com/xRLNZ7je
[02:57] <bazhang> its either that, or a gpgerr
[02:57] <bazhang> LULLING_HARD, upgraded how
[02:57] <LULLING_HARD> However, when I boot, it allows me to boot into the 2.6.38 kernel.  WTF
[02:58] <bazhang> LULLING_HARD, no cursing please
[02:58] <LULLING_HARD> update-manager from Maverick
[02:58] <arand> LULLING_HARD: "No space left on device" Is that the core of it?
[02:58] <bazhang> LULLING_HARD, this the 13mb left of free space issue?
[02:58] <LULLING_HARD> I guess..However, I have never had this problem before.  I have had numerous kernels on /boot without this issue
[02:58] <LULLING_HARD> yes
[02:59] <bazhang> LULLING_HARD, i s this a eeepc 701 4G?
[02:59] <LULLING_HARD> No
[02:59] <LULLING_HARD> Desktop machine
[02:59] <bazhang> ie a tiny hdd?
[02:59] <LULLING_HARD> No, 500GB hd
[02:59] <LULLING_HARD> I just made /boot 100MB
[02:59] <bazhang> dual boot, not enough space given to ubuntu?
[02:59] <LULLING_HARD> But I have never had this problem before and I have ran linux for years
[02:59] <arand> LULLING_HARD: And how much space does boot have atm?
[02:59] <LULLING_HARD> always used 100MB /boot
[03:00] <bazhang> I usually give it 250mb just to be safe
[03:00] <LULLING_HARD> 88% full is what "df" says
[03:00] <arand> *free space..?
[03:00] <ubudork> i canged from norway to main and now it seems OK! thank you! now just my nvidia driver problem left :P
[03:01] <LULLING_HARD> dev/sda2                94195     78432     10899  88% /boot
[03:01] <LULLING_HARD> so about 11MB is remaining
[03:01] <arand> Maybe clean it up a bit.
[03:01] <LULLING_HARD> but what's weird is I am running the kernel right now that it says cannot complete installation
[03:03] <LULLING_HARD> arand: what do i clean up exactly?
[03:03] <arand> Old kernels I would assume
[03:03] <LULLING_HARD> I only have one other kernel on there
[03:03] <LULLING_HARD> 2.6.35-28
[03:04] <genii-around> two kernels should not be taking up 88M
[03:04] <LULLING_HARD> genii-around: that's what I am thinking
[03:04] <arand> LULLING_HARD: If you do "du -sh /boot/*" what is it that's taking it then?
[03:05] <LULLING_HARD> i will post what the output is..
[03:05] <arand> pastebin is useful
[03:06] <LULLING_HARD> http://pastebin.com/NwsDyJSW
[03:06] <LULLING_HARD> there
[03:06] <LULLING_HARD> boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-28-generic = 26M
[03:06] <LULLING_HARD> and the newer kernel = 27M
[03:08] <ubudork> bazhang:  i canged from norway to main and now it seems OK! thank you! now just my nvidia driver problem left :P
[03:08] <DaGeek247> when in april is 11.04 coming out?
[03:09] <arand> 28th afaik
[03:09] <bazhang> ubudork, whats the driver problem? sometimes recommended is not an exact science
[03:09] <DaGeek247> thanx
[03:09] <LULLING_HARD> So if I have 11MB left, why is it saying not enough space?  Does it need to decompress and image or something?
[03:09] <LULLING_HARD> an*
[03:10] <ubudork> the problem is i am only able to use ubuntu in no FX mode
[03:10] <LULLING_HARD> I don't mind reinstalling from scratch, but I can't because there is no alternate-installer CD yet.
[03:10] <ubudork> ubuntu-desktop or classic only hangs. only able to move mouse
[03:11] <arand> LULLING_HARD: Well it's gzip failing, so presumably for updating the initramfs it unpacks it on the /boot fs
[03:11] <tensorpudding> probably a compiz crash, which happens distressingly often
[03:11] <genii-around> LULLING_HARD: You could try something like to bind-mount another directory which has more room into /boot after copying the files into it. Then after initramfs ends, unmount and copy everything the other direction
[03:11] <tensorpudding> although lately compiz seems to be able to restart itself
[03:12] <LULLING_HARD> Is there a way to reinstall from scratch and still keep my LUKS encrypted partitions?  I assume I cant.
[03:13] <arand> LULLING_HARD: Alternatively, there is a -b flag for update-initrmafs, see if that allows you to create the initrd elsewhere and then just cp it over..
[03:14] <LULLING_HARD> arand: is there a manpage or something where I can read how to do this?
[03:14] <arand> LULLING_HARD: man update-initramfs
[03:15] <arand> I presume you'd want "update-initramfs -b /tmp -k 2.6.38-7" Or similar
[03:15] <Lantizia> Hey is it me or is it not that obvious how you rearrange the icons on the left?
[03:16] <ubudork> anyone interested in helping me with my nvidia driver problem?
[03:17] <LULLING_HARD> arand: thanks that worked.  Now i am about to cp and see if it fits
[03:18] <eekTheCat> do "Time and Date Settings" not work right now?
[03:19] <LULLING_HARD> arand: However now when I do an apt-get update, it says there is still one unfinished operation..
[03:19] <arand> True..
[03:21] <arand> I guess you could temporirily move the old kernels out of the way... But yea, it seems like a good idea to try to get some more space on /boot
[03:21] <LULLING_HARD> arand: is it possible to reinstall and maintain my LUKS encrypted partitions?  There doesnt appear to be a alternate-install CD yet
[03:21] <LULLING_HARD> or must I install 10.10 and then do an upgrade?
[03:22] <LULLING_HARD> I am going to give /boot 1GB this time
[03:23] <eekTheCat> 1GB for /boot? how big are kernels getting these days?
[03:23] <LULLING_HARD> eekTheCat: big enough to where 100MB aint enough for two images
[03:24] <eekTheCat> LULLING_HARD, maybe they need to be stripped?
[03:24] <eekTheCat> or are you doing some kind of kernel debugging?
[03:25] <LULLING_HARD> eekTheCat: No just did an upgrade to 11.04 and suddenly it says initramfs cannot create the kernel image due to lack of space
[03:27] <arand> LULLING_HARD: There are several alternate install CDs, by the way...
[03:27] <LULLING_HARD> for 11.04?
[03:29] <LULLING_HARD> I need the "alternate" installer because it has an option for encrypting the drive.
[03:29] <ubudork> it would be really cool to get the display driver working so i actually could try the new ubuntu looks/gui
[03:30] <ubudork> anyone?
[03:31] <LULLING_HARD> compiz crashing all over the place over here
[03:32] <ubudork> if i install an older driver ubuntu-desktop and a whole lot of xorg packages will unistall aswell... not really interested in that am i?
[03:34] <arand> LULLING_HARD: Yes
[03:36] <ubudork> lulling hard... norwegian?
[03:44] <ubudork> anyone here yet?
[03:46] <noob_> arand: I found the bug it is known. Anything I can do to fix it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/747372 this is the page
[03:47] <arand> noob_: I know as little as you about it, it seems to be fixed though, have you updated the system?
[03:47] <noob_> arand: I'm on 11.04
[03:48] <Bustardo> I'm an idiot. I did a manual parttion when I installed Ubuntu 10.10 and I somehow managed to mess up the win 7 boot. When I try to go there it says "Geom Error"
[03:48] <arand> I meant the latest packge versions...
[03:48] <Bustardo> I'm lking ubuntu though
[03:48] <arand> Bustardo: 10.10 support in #ubuntu
[03:49] <Bustardo> ah ok
[03:49] <Bustardo> Thanks
[03:51] <noob_> arand: update as in syntapic or update manager?
[03:51] <arand> I'm looking for a way to make mountall accept a fsck.btrfs that is a script rather than the current symlink, is there anyway to do that (Seems mountall can't do scripts...)
[03:51] <arand> noob_: Either.
[03:52] <noob_> arand: was this update released recently?
[03:53] <arand> noob_: 3days
[03:54] <arand> Are you running straight from a beta install?
[03:55] <noob_> arand: I'll check for more updates. I'm on windows so ill change
[04:04] <ubudork> help me with nvidia driver trouble please anyone?
[04:04] <needhelp1> does anyone know if banshee 2.0 is going to make it into 11.04
[04:05] <needhelp1> does anyone know if banshee 2.0 is going to make it into 11.04
[04:07] <kdog> Doesn't seem like it since 2.0 isn't released yet (according to the website)
[04:13] <noob> arand: it worked! thanx for the help
[04:13] <arand> noob: =)
[04:14] <drmorphias> has anyone managed to move the launcher to the bottom of the screen?
[04:14] <ubudork> so i try again... anyone able to help me with nvidia trouble please?
[04:15] <drmorphias> also where did the special effects options go?
[04:16] <noob> arand: Another thing though, I think metacitcy is enabled, not compiz which I use. I had an app that changes it, but it crashes when i start it now. How do I change it now?
[04:18] <arand> noob: For unity(compiz) to work you need video drivers who can handle acceleration
[04:19] <noob> arand: Right now I'm using ubuntu classic (gnome)
[04:20] <bitplane> It's a pity that Unity requires a specific workspace switcher, I prefer the desktop cube with warp to cylinder turned on
[04:21] <noob> bitplane: me too
[04:30] <drmorphias> anyway to move the launcher to the bottom?
[04:35] <noob> arand: you still here?
[04:37] <needhelp1> does anyone know if banshee 2.0 is going to make it into 11.04
[04:38] <rww> !info banshee
[04:38] <bazhang> could be, depending if they round up, as with grub 1.98
[04:39] <atari2600a> hey, why isn't skype in natty partners?
[04:44] <atari2600a> also this beta isn't beta quality
[04:44] <atari2600a> it's barely alpha
[04:45] <bazhang> atari2600a, then you shouldn't be using it
[04:45] <atari2600a> oh, & PAE isn't automatically working on the 32-bit image
[04:45] <bazhang> its for bug fixing at this point
[04:45] <atari2600a> bazhang, no, I should, because you need as many testers & bug reporters as possible
[04:45] <bazhang> atari2600a, file a bug and make it better
[04:46] <atari2600a> Canonical, however, should swallow it's pride & delay an unfinished product for a month or three
[04:46] <bazhang> atari2600a, I'll upgrade in the next day or so, and check the pae as I have 32bit also with the pae kernel
[04:46] <atari2600a> awesome
[04:46] <atari2600a> maybe it's just my mobo or something
[04:46] <bazhang> canonical does not govern the releases as far as I'm aware
[04:47] <bazhang> they are more the "vision" thing
[04:55] <atari2600a> & the financial frontend :P
[04:55] <bazhang> the community release manager handles it
[04:55] <bazhang> yeppers :)
[04:55] <atari2600a> rebooting into PAE
[04:55] <bazhang> stick with lts until 12.04 for some, or try the latest, greatest
[04:55] <bazhang> okay
[04:55] <bazhang> err pae with the pae kernel makes no sense. time for more coffee.
[04:55] <rww> release manager is a Canonical employee, fyi
[04:55] <bazhang> rww, do they directly meddle with releases at this point?
[04:55] <bazhang> perhaps meddle is not the most diplomatic choice of words
[04:55] <noob> How do I make my window manager compiz in ubuntu
[04:55] <needhelp1> canonical wouldnt delay a release
[04:55] <rww> as are at least a few people on the release team
[04:55] <rww> bazhang: I have no reason to think they do, no
[04:55] <drmorphias> noob ... in terminal, run "compiz --replace"
[04:55] <bazhang> noob, alt f2 compiz --replace
[04:55] <bazhang> better use the run menu unless you append & to the term command
[04:55] <needhelp1> does anyone actually use the network manager? ive been using WICD for years because the network manager for me was so buggy
[04:55] <drmorphias> bazhang, true my mistake
[04:55] <rww> needhelp1: yes
[04:55] <noob> bazhang: Now there are no x out or minimize buttons
[04:55] <needhelp1> how are you liking it
[04:55] <drmorphias> needhelp1, i never had troubles with network manager.
[04:55] <needhelp1> i'll probably give it a try in 11.04, contemplating now rather i should install beta and help bug hunt
[04:55] <needhelp1> where can i find the requirements to run 11.04, with all the new fancy 3d stuff
[04:55] <bazhang> noob, sounds like your decorator (ie window-decorator)
[04:55] <noob> bazhang: So what should I do?
[04:57] <thiebaude> a few years ago canonical delayed a realease
[04:59] <drmorphias> has anyone had problems with window decorations not being applied to nautilus? its just using a generic gray theme on me.
[05:08] <Chr|s> for some reason I open xchat and it doesn't show on the left dock?
[05:08] <Chr|s> so if I minimize it, I have to manually shut it down and open xchat again
[05:16] <ohelig> any word on when Natty is to be deployed?
[05:16] <Chr|s_> released?
[05:16] <ohelig> yeah
[05:16] <Chr|s_> !natty
[05:16] <vish> !schedule | ohelig:
[05:17] <ohelig> D: so far away
[05:17] <Chr|s_> yup :(
[05:17] <Chr|s_> unity isn't THAT bad..needs some work, I can see it being productive
[05:17] <ohelig> I hope they don't make it default in the release
[05:17] <Chr|s_> just waiting to see what gnome 3 brings to the table
[05:18] <Chr|s_> ohelig: they are
[05:18] <ohelig> D:
[05:25] <rww> Unity will be default this release. You can switch to regular GNOME panel thing in GDM.
[05:26] <benzalde1yde> rww: fluxbox be my prized pig
[05:27] <mimail> hi
[05:27] <mimail> I just upgraded to the Natty beta and I'm getting this error message every time I try to log in.
[05:27] <mimail> Failed to load session "ubuntu"
[05:28] <mimail> anybody kown how to fix this
[05:28] <benzalde1yde> mimail: are you saying it fails to even give a prompt?
[05:29] <mimail> it prompt "failed to load session xxxx"
[05:29] <rww> benzalde1yde: KDE here :)
[05:29] <benzalde1yde> what about alt+f2
[05:30] <benzalde1yde> rww: you are saying it fails to load a window manager session, not that the entire system is not loading, correct?
[05:30] <mimail> yes
[05:31] <mimail> i have tried using every session available: Ubuntu, Classic Ubuntu, Unity-2d, and Gnome Shell, user defined session. The only one that allows me to log in is user defined session.
[05:31] <benzalde1yde> rww: kde, so you installed a different GUI, did it ever run?
[05:32] <mimail> i'mno
[05:32] <mimail> no
[05:32] <benzalde1yde> mimail: are you saying you are on kde now as a short term solution
[05:33] <benzalde1yde> mimail: gnome is what want to fix
[05:33] <rww> benzalde1yde: ... I'm not saying anything.
[05:33] <Q-FUNK> I'm just wondering, which package provides the keyboard map notification in gnome?
[05:33] <mimail> the only one that allows me to log in is user defined session.
[05:34] <benzalde1yde> mimail: well you said kde so i'm confused, gnome is what ubuntu uses
[05:34] <mimail> gnome
[05:35] <Sonja> houston we have probrem. my mouse stopped working 30 min ago, despite a reboot
[05:35] <mimail> benzalde1yde : after i upgrade to 11.04
[05:35] <Sonja> i have to use keyboard commands for eerything
[05:36] <benzalde1yde> mimail:anything on the drive worth perserving?
[05:37] <mimail> benzalde1yde: nothing
[05:38] <benzalde1yde> mimail: i would give a clean install a shot--unless you are confident it won't matter
[05:38] <_skpl> can someone help me? i upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04 but i cant get unity to start
[05:39] <benzalde1yde> mimail: granted you may want to ask around a bit more
[05:40] <benzalde1yde> mimail: but i never had any problems with it
[05:40] <mimail> benzalde1yde : sorry, i don't want reinstall
[05:40] <benzalde1yde> mimail: no biggie
[05:40] <benzalde1yde> mimail: i'm sure there's a fix in store
[05:40] <benzalde1yde> mimail: personally i use fluxbox
[05:42] <benzalde1yde> mimail: my install went without a hitch and i am on playstation 3, everyhing worked out of the box
[05:43] <mimail> 10.10 upgrade to 11.04
[05:44] <mimail> benzalde1yde : 10.10 upgrade to 11.04 is hitch
[05:44] <Maddogm> _skpl, goes straight to gnome?
[05:47] <benzalde1yde> mimail: someone posted after my forum post "why would you want to screw with something that isn't broken? the PS3 OS works fine" as in the XMB mnager that comes with the machine minus Linux, geez what a narrow mind. as if having xmb is anything close to using linux on ps3
[05:59] <atari2600a> okay
[06:00] <atari2600a> why is the clock applet castrated into nothingness
[06:00] <atari2600a> no map, no weather, no nothing
[06:05] <Chr|s> atari2600a: Can you say Beta
[06:05] <Chr|s> Natty isn't fully released yet, it is in testing phase
[06:16] <atari2600a> Chr|s, can you say alpha, when all features are supposed to be frozen before the actual bug-fixing in beta?
[06:17] <atari2600a> that said I AM doing my part by reporting all bugs I can find
[06:17] <atari2600a> but it's painful
[06:17] <atari2600a> this feels like KDE4 all over again...
[06:18] <grindcrusher> since the beta install failed to load much of a gui besides the wallpaper in virtualbox, is there a way in the beta to just use the regular gnome shell / disable unity?
[06:20] <atari2600a> grindcrusher, logout (or restart), in gdm:  Session:  Ubuntu Classic
[06:20] <grindcrusher> ok, cool, ty
[06:20] <atari2600a> but before you do that, it would be wise to get into the recovery shell & do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:20] <atari2600a> perhaps a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade while you're at it & feeling risky enough
[06:21] <atari2600a> also don't forget to enable 3D acceleration in VB
[06:21] <grindcrusher> ok, that's probably why nothing much loaded up, ty again
[06:22] <atari2600a> while you're in there enable all that other fun stuff too
[06:22] <atari2600a> VT-x, PAE, etc
[06:33] <atari2600a> you think that's something, try loading OSx86 in VB :P
[07:07] <skpl> is there any way for me to test unity on my computer?
[07:07] <drmorphias> skpl, are you using ubuntu 11.04?
[07:08] <skpl> drmorphias: yes
[07:08] <drmorphias> skpl, from my understanding the new layout is called unity.
[07:08] <skpl> i dont have unity, i have the ubuntu classic desktop
[07:08] <drmorphias> oh
[07:09] <drmorphias> you dont have the sidebar on the left side then correct?
[07:09] <_skpl> no id ont
[07:09] <_skpl> dont
[07:10] <Maddogm> you need 3d support afaik
[07:10] <Maddogm> otherwise it falls back to classic
[07:10] <_skpl> how do i get that
[07:10] <_skpl> so unity doesnt support on board video?
[07:11] <drmorphias> _skpl, by loading drivers for you video card for 3d acceleration
[07:11] <drmorphias> _skpl, 3d acceleration has to be enabled in order to use it
[07:12] <_skpl> drmorphias: how do i do that?
[07:13] <drmorphias> _skpl, what graphics card do you have?
[07:14] <_skpl> intel i820 i think
[07:15] <_skpl> it says: intel extremem graphics 2 3d
[07:16] <_skpl> i tried the command unity --replace but nothing happened
[07:17] <drmorphias> _skpl, yes because unity requires 3d acceleration
[07:18] <_skpl> can i enable that on my computer?
[07:19] <_skpl> maybe they havent gotten around to including support for my video card
[07:20] <drmorphias> have you ever played a 3d game in windows on with that video card?
[07:21] <_skpl> not in a real long time
[07:23] <_skpl> i got an error aboput opengl 1.4+ not being supported
[07:24] <drmorphias> ya, sadly the card seems old.
[07:24] <Maddogm> 1.4 is minimum requirement for unity
[07:24] <Maddogm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/UnityHardwareRequirements
[07:26] <_skpl> aw.
[07:26] <_skpl> so i guess i will have to install gnome3 then.
[07:26] <_skpl> or get a new card
[07:30] <gordonjcp> _skpl: you're going to need a decent card for gnome3 too
[07:31] <gordonjcp> _skpl: they're both heavily geared to having windows whoosh about the screen randomly and wibbling about
[07:50] <drmorphias> how do i add a wine program to the launcher applet?
[07:59] <manlymatt83> Hi all.  In everyone's experience, is the beta stable?  I'm running 10.10 but need to re-OS a new machine, and I'm trying to figure out if I should throw 10.10 on it or do the 11.04 beta.  It's just used as a workstation.  It'll be an easy upgrade to 11.04 release I assume?
[08:02] <frybye> Hi - I just did an update from 10.10 to 11.04 but find myself still in the classic menu system - how to change to the new one?
[08:03] <frybye> hmm .. I think I remember now - at the login window right..? see you - brb
[08:11] <benzaldehyde> who here uses mplayer
[08:13] <syn-ack> why?
[08:13] <benzaldehyde> was wondering if it performs better than totem
[08:14] <syn-ack> Not really
[08:14] <syn-ack> They both use the same back end...
[08:15] <benzaldehyde> syn-ack: i can't toggle full screen in firefox with f11
[08:15] <benzaldehyde> syn-ack: it instead opens up a new tab with what my pointer is hover on
[08:16] <benzaldehyde> *hovering
[08:16] <syn-ack> Ah, I don't use firefox so I don't know how to help you there
[08:17] <benzaldehyde> syn-ack: chromium?
[08:17] <syn-ack> yeah
[08:17] <syn-ack> I use the chromium daily builds
[08:17] <benzaldehyde> syn-ack: can't use it, powerpc64
[08:18] <syn-ack> ouch
[08:18] <syn-ack> PS3?
[08:18] <benzaldehyde> syn-ack: yes indeedy-o
[08:19] <syn-ack> ah
[08:19] <benzaldehyde> syn-ack: flash player has a compatible archived version for macintosh, do you think i could somehow use that on a linux since i have the same architecture that the software is aimed at
[08:20] <syn-ack> possible.
[08:20] <benzaldehyde> syn-ack: how thought if you do not mind
[08:20] <benzaldehyde> *though
[08:22] <syn-ack> download the "source" .deb, extract libflashplayer.so and put it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[08:22] <benzaldehyde> i have a tar file of it
[08:23] <syn-ack> then extract the tarball and do the above mentioned
[08:23] <benzaldehyde> k
[08:25] <micahg> benzaldehyde: have you tried gnash?
[08:25] <Chr|s> activated my proprietary ATI drivers and restarted, boy what a mess that was. moved cursor around and black splotches everywhere, I guess you can call them tha
[08:25] <Chr|s> had to deactive them
[08:25] <Chr|s> deactivate
[08:25] <syn-ack> heh
[08:26] <benzaldehyde> micahg: in previous installs of 10.04 and 10.10, yeah
[08:26] <benzaldehyde> and swfdec
[08:27] <syn-ack> gnash really does lack compared to just toughing it out and running the dreaded flash player
[08:27] <syn-ack> just sayin
[08:27] <micahg> benzaldehyde: so, I'll be uploading gnash 0.8.9 later today to natty, played youtube pretty well in Firefox
[08:27] <benzaldehyde> greasemonkey plugin worked pretty well but youtube was still not loading even though i added a youtube without flash plug
[08:27] <micahg> syn-ack: not really an option for powerpc to use Adobe flash
[08:27] <benzaldehyde> micahg: i am on powerpc
[08:28] <benzaldehyde> micahg: it was supported for macs on 10.1
[08:28] <syn-ack> micahg, He just said he had a ppc version of it
[08:28] <micahg> gnash, lightspark or one of the open source ones are probably your best bet
[08:29] <micahg> well, unless it's recent (PPC version), it probably has a lot of security holes
[08:30] <syn-ack> valid point
[08:30] <benzaldehyde> micahg: i am less and less concerned with security these days
[08:31] <benzaldehyde> micahg: the first virus i had was "the stoned empire monkey virus" 80's or 90's probably early 90's
[08:32] <syn-ack> haha
[08:32] <syn-ack> stoned. I remember that one.
[08:32] <syn-ack> and it was more of a"virus" instead of a true blue virus
[08:33] <benzaldehyde> syn-ack: how about leisure suit larry, roger wilco, doom
[08:33] <benzaldehyde> wolfen
[08:33] <syn-ack> werd
[08:35] <benzaldehyde> space quest needs a revival
[08:36] <atari2600a> hey what's the package that contains the live installer?
[08:36] <atari2600a> I need to report a bug
[08:37] <arand> Live installer? As in just the installer?
[08:37] <atari2600a> the live one I would assume
[08:37] <atari2600a> the GUI one, not the alt
[08:37] <arand> "ubiquity", use "ubuntu-bug ubiquity"
[08:38] <atari2600a> thanks
[08:38] <benzaldehyde> i was pretty shocked to see emulators of games i use to play on commodore 64. roger rabbit, air rally, olympics
[08:39] <atari2600a> benzaldehyde, you mean emulators of the platforms?
[08:39] <benzaldehyde> yup
[08:39] <atari2600a> for 8-bits most have java emulators
[08:39] <atari2600a> & no one cares about the copyright on most abandonware
[08:40] <atari2600a> so often times you can google 'play [x]'
[08:40] <benzaldehyde> atari2600a: thank you.
[08:40] <benzaldehyde>  i did not know
[08:43] <benzaldehyde> i chose to allow popups from this site thinking the download was hiding behind the blocked popup-spamvertisement
[08:43] <benzaldehyde> *turned out to be spamvertisement
[08:44] <mika__> hi guys, i just upgraded to natty (kubuntu)... 2 problems: kopete doesn't show anymore the contacts avatar and most important the wifi doesn't work anymore (it always did with all the previous versions... it's an intel 5300)
[08:45] <benzaldehyde> mika__: you have no wlan0?
[08:45] <mika__> benzaldehyde: as the result of ifconfig, no, i don't, just eth0 and lo
[08:46] <benzaldehyde> mika__: i use to use an intel pro wireless with linux, had to modprobe ipw2200bg
[08:46] <benzaldehyde> what about iwconfig wlan0
[08:46] <mika__> FATAL: Module ipw2200bg not found. :)
[08:46] <benzaldehyde> or possibly ipw2200
[08:47] <benzaldehyde> been a while since that was a problem, they probably include the drivers for it now-a-days. is your computer newer?
[08:48] <benzaldehyde> 5300 is much higher than 2200, try ipw5300 or ipw5300bg
[08:48] <mika__> benzaldehyde: with iwconfig i do ( http://pastebin.com/sKz1UqEQ ).. but still the wireless led is off and neither from the kde plasmoid
[08:48] <benzaldehyde> no led just means it is not up
[08:48] <atari2600a> arand, thanks, new quasi-security bug listed
[08:48] <atari2600a> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/750028
[08:49] <mika__> benzaldehyde: it has 2 years... the strange thing is that it perfectly worked with all the previous releases (10.10, 10.4, 9.10 and probably 9.4 too)
[08:49] <benzaldehyde> mika__: that is not strange, more like an indication of a conflict
[08:49] <atari2600a> mika__, plug into LAN, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:49] <atari2600a> * sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo reboot now
[08:50] <mika__> atari2600a: already tried, nothing to install
[08:51] <frybye> hi - after updating from 10.10 to natty i still have the classic menu system and changing at login does not do it.. how else to change?
[08:51] <atari2600a> mika__, a little rogue here, but try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:51] <mika__> atari2600a: nothing there too :)
[08:52] <atari2600a> meh
[08:52] <atari2600a> leaving now
[08:52] <atari2600a> bye
[08:54] <brontosaurusrex_> how can i choose mirror for natty download?
[08:55] <benzaldehyde> mika__: wireless problems can be strange. if i were you i would nano /etc/network/interfaces and add this http://pastebin.com/g1DEVeJP
[08:56] <benzaldehyde> mika__: and reboot or i think /etc/init.d/networking restart
[08:56] <benzaldehyde> *sudo nano
[08:56] <akavlie> just installed Natty. Do you have to open the home folder to get to the equivalent of the Places menu?
[08:57] <benzaldehyde> akavlie: is Places the thing with all the GUI settings?
[08:58] <akavlie> benzaldehyde, nope, it's the menu with shortcuts to various file manager locations
[08:59] <akavlie> benzaldehyde, and FTP/SSH  bookmarks
[09:00] <benzaldehyde> akavlie: all i know is if i want to edit a fluxbox menu i go into /etc/X11/.fluxbox/ and nano the fluxbox-menu
[09:00] <akavlie> oh crap, Time Tracker (hamster-applet) doesn't even work w/ Unity.
[09:01] <akavlie> benzaldehyde... umm, you in the right channel?
[09:01] <benzaldehyde> akavlie: what a strange questions, yeah
[09:01] <akavlie> fluxbox is not very relevant to Natty
[09:02] <benzaldehyde> akavlie: you don't have to use gnome, i'm a powerpc64 user though so
[09:02] <benzaldehyde> resources are precious to me
[09:02] <brontosaurusrex_> nm, found a metalink file
[09:02] <akavlie> yeah, I know you don't have to. But I think most talk  here would focus on the default Natty environment.
[09:03] <benzaldehyde> akavlie: most talk being relevant to x86 users? that seems a bit narrow
[09:07] <akavlie> benzaldehyde, not necessarily x86, but really fluxbox discussion isn't too relevant here.
[09:07] <benzaldehyde> akavlie: you've made your point i am not leaving
[09:07] <benzaldehyde> akavlie: nice try though
[09:10] <benzaldehyde> akavlie: i don't just mention things for the hell of it though it seems to me if you want access to something in the GUI, move it around to where it is more accessable to you, some how
[09:11] <frybye> when can one expect the gflrx driver for natty.. a week - 3 months or?
[09:13] <frybye> e e e should be fglrx ...
[09:13] <brontosaurusrex_> uhmm, does the new installer misses the paritioning part, or did i click-through to fast?
[09:14] <frybye> for the older radeon cards that the new opensource package does not suppor 3d on ...
[09:19] <benzaldehyde> brontosaurusrex_: new installer to alternate?
[09:19] <brontosaurusrex_> benzaldehyde, sorry?
[09:20] <benzaldehyde> brontosaurusrex_: which way are you installing, wubi, cd, upgrade--which cdimage??
[09:20] <brontosaurusrex_> clasical installer > virtualbox
[09:21] <benzaldehyde> brontosaurusrex_: so many different ways to go about the same thing, that's new to me
[09:21] <benzaldehyde> don't know, sorry
[09:21] <brontosaurusrex_> ok , thanks
[09:23] <benzaldehyde> no problemo my 65-225 million year old chum
[09:25] <benzaldehyde> prosauropods were the first dinos
[09:33] <frybye> how long will it take to get a working fglrx ati driver for natty do you think?
[09:34] <Ian_Corne> I have it
[09:34] <Ian_Corne> it works
[09:34] <Ian_Corne> maybe I have the xupdates ppa tho
[09:35] <Ian_Corne> can't check atm
[09:43] <frybye> be interested to hear how to get it when you have a moment..
[09:45] <frybye> you running x64 natty?
[09:46] <whitman> Hi, I've just installed Natty B1 into VirtualBox 4.0.4.  I've installed the Guest Additions but I can't get the screen resolution to go above 1024x768, that's the highest option in the resolution settings.  Normally I would edit xorg.conf to sort this but from searching it seems xorg.conf is ignored in Natty.  Any way around this?
[09:48] <alexs> xrandr
[09:48] <alexs> is the tool you use
[09:49] <alexs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[09:49] <alexs> it's actually not a terrible system once you know where the knobs are
[09:51] <alexs> whitman: you may find the "Adding undetected resolutions
[09:51] <alexs> " section most useful
[09:57] <Sonja> i need some help. my mouse won´t move at all when i´m inside natty, happened as of last night
[09:58] <Sonja> i can move my mouse around at the login screen but not once i´m logged in
[10:00] <habanany> running on ubuntu 11.04 beta so wow :)
[10:00] <habanany> love the sidebar
[10:00] <habanany> texting ubuntuone
[10:04] <antonpiatek> Anyone heard of issues in natty with dbus not starting during boot? My machine started hanging at boot today after updates, and im not sure how to track the cause down
[10:05] <Sonja> i lost mouse control :(
[10:07] <delac> Sonja: did you try to replug it?
[10:07] <Sonja> :P
[10:08] <Sonja> it´s a laptop. and i can move it around at the login screen
[10:08] <Sonja> but once i´m ´inside´ ubuntu, no moues movement at all
[10:08] <delac> Sonja: so you mean you lost control of your touchpad?
[10:08] <Sonja> yes :)
[10:08] <Sonja> thank you for helping me rephrase that
[10:09] <Sonja> i´m doing stuff like browsing the web on Lynx now
[10:09] <antonpiatek> is it possible to get grub to boot without dbus?
[10:09] <Sonja> as a workaround ;P
[10:09] <Sonja> is thre a way to open up mouse ´control panel´ from command line?
[10:10] <habanany> Sonja you will recover control after reboot
[10:10] <Sonja> i have tried rebooting
[10:10] <Sonja> same problem reoccurs
[10:10] <Sonja> immediately after logging in
[10:10] <habanany> i lost it too for a moment
[10:11] <habanany> yep immedately
[10:11] <habanany> Sonja ^^
[10:11] <Sonja> yes?
[10:12] <delac> Sonja: try this: push the window key and search for gconf
[10:12] <Sonja> how can i do that from command line?
[10:13] <Sonja> the Windows key does nothing
[10:13] <delac> Sonja: doesnt bring up the dash?
[10:13] <Sonja> gedit gconf ?
[10:13] <delac> Sonja: no, gconf is another tool
[10:13] <Sonja> i´ve remapped the ´menu´ key for xcompose stuff
[10:13] <delac> Sonja: alt-f2?
[10:14] <Sonja> up alt-f2 no problem
[10:14] <delac> Sonja: then gconf
[10:14] <Sonja> (i´ve remapped that to windows_key_-R )
[10:14] <Sonja> and i works
[10:14] <Sonja> ok t
[10:14] <habanany> nice mode of switching windows from the side bar
[10:14] <Sonja> failed to open home/sonja/gconf
[10:15] <delac> Sonja: it's not in your home
[10:15] <Sonja> how can i search for it?
[10:16] <delac> Sonja: alt-f2 and /usr/bin/gconf-editor
[10:16] <Sean____> hey guys, just tried out 11.4, and my mouse does not work on it.
[10:16] <Sonja> thanks i´ll try that
[10:16] <Sean____> I tried to swap it for a corded one, still no response when trying to use it.
[10:17] <Sonja> w00t i´m inside that tool :)
[10:17] <delac> Sean____: at all? does it work on login screen?
[10:17] <Sean____> completely no response using it.
[10:17] <delac> Sonja: find /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/touchpad_enabled and see if it is enabled (true)
[10:17] <Sonja> like i said, the mouse works fine at the login screen. but after i´me logged in, it is lost
[10:18] <Sonja> okay
[10:18] <Sean____> if it matters, I hadn't used ubuntu for a while so I was on some version less than 10.10, so using ubuntu's inbuilt update function, I updated to 10.10, then from there updated to 11.4
[10:18] <Sean____> is there any potential problems from doing it that way
[10:19] <frybye> grrr.. this fglrx thing will not install no matter what... any clues?
[10:19] <delac> Sean____: should not be. is it some sort of special mouse?
[10:19] <Sonja> YAY
[10:19] <Sonja> that worked LOL
[10:19] <delac> Sonja: good
[10:19] <Sonja> so how can i make sure it´s always ´true´ :)
[10:19] <Sonja> for next time i boot?
[10:19] <Sean____> Not really, I was using some generic wireless logitech mouse, that didn't work so I swapped it with a Logitech G5 (corded) mouse, still didnt work.
[10:19] <delac> Sonja: hmm, I should hope it stays like that from now on...
[10:20] <Sonja> ok i´ll reboot and come back here to confirm. will you be here in 1 minute? :)
[10:20] <delac> Sonja: try it now
[10:20] <delac> Sonja: yes
[10:21] <delac> Sean____: you do see the cursor, though?
[10:22] <Sean____> yeah, cursor is there, effectively frozen in the middle of the screen.
[10:22] <Sonja> that totally worked
[10:22] <Sonja> thanks so much
[10:22] <Sean____> BTW talking to you on my desktop computer, ubuntu 11.4 is installed on my laptop.
[10:22] <Sonja> i wonder if this is something that needs to be documented
[10:23] <Sonja> it might affect other natty users
[10:23] <delac> Sean____: well, do alt-f2 and /usr/bin/gconf-editor
[10:23] <Sonja> oh, another one already? :P
[10:23] <delac> Sonja: bit different, normal mouse
[10:24] <Sonja> this problem started happening for me around 11 p.m. Eastern time yesterday
[10:24] <Sonja> dunno if it was related to an update at that time
[10:24] <Sean____> alright hold on, lemme get my laptop.
[10:24] <delac> Sonja: well, i did find a thread where somone had this problem on 10.10
[10:24] <Sonja> interesting
[10:24] <Sean____> Yeah I generally prefer to use my wireless mouse with my laptop, but for testing sake I tried corded and that didnt work either.
[10:25] <delac> Sonja: so it might not be only natty related
[10:25] <Sonja> i had been using 10.10 since it came out
[10:25] <Sonja> on this netbook
[10:25] <Sonja> the problem came up spontaneously last night
[10:26] <Sonja> i´m not sure if this might be a factor, but i installed ´sabily´
[10:26] <Sonja> (some time ago)
[10:27] <Sonja> http://www.sabily.org/website/
[10:27] <delac> Sonja: well, wouldn't think that should cause any mess for your mouse...
[10:27] <Sean____> I'll get ahold of my laptop in about 5 minutes, someone else is using it atm sorry.
[10:28] <delac> Sonja: or maybe... maybe it disabled the touchpad on bios level
[10:29] <delac> Sean____: do those settings affect the bios?
[10:29] <delac> Sean____: sry, wrong person
[10:29] <Sonja> not that i know of
[10:29] <Sonja> hard to know
[10:29] <Sonja> i was just hoping to prevent somebody else a headache if we can figure out how it happened to me
[10:30] <delac> Sonja: well, there are already threads with the solution
[10:30] <delac> Sonja: so it's not hard to find
[10:30] <Sonja> i guess i failed at finding them :P
[10:30] <Sonja> i had installed lynx
[10:30] <Sonja> and was googling natty mouse
[10:31] <Sonja> too vague it seems :)
[10:31] <delac> Sonja: yes, the thread is not about natty
[10:38] <Sonjaaa> oh i just found another symptom
[10:38] <Kevin1a> I realize it isn't Cannonical supported, but is there a medibuntu repository yet for Natty?
[10:38] <Sonjaaa> my wifi was disabled by hardware switch
[10:38] <Sonjaaa> had to Fn-F2 to turn it back on
[10:38] <Sean____> Ok man.
[10:38] <Sean____> got the laptop
[10:38] <Sean____> and in the gconf-editor thing now.
[10:38] <Sonjaaa> something like that must have happende to my mouse :P
[10:38] <Sean____> where should I go from here?
[10:39] <delac> Sean____: and find /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse
[10:39] <Sonjaaa> just a coincidence that sean is having the same issue
[10:39] <delac> Sean____: and see if anything is set to zero or false
[10:39] <Sean____> also a message popped up saying "serious kernal error" and that I should report the problem so I used the keyboard to arrow to report problem and hit enter btw.
[10:39] <Sean____> ok 1 sec.
[10:39] <Sonjaaa> i was prolly fumbling in the dark last night trying to get my screen brigthess adjusted to my liking
[10:39] <Sean____> Ok Im there
[10:40] <Sonjaaa> and hit Fn-F3 to kill my mouse
[10:40] <Sean____> at /mouse
[10:40] <Sean____> 1 sec
[10:40] <Sonjaaa> pebkac
[10:40] <delac> Sonjaaa: ah, so that was it
[10:40] <Sonjaaa> delac: i pulled a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary:PEBKAC
[10:40] <delac> wth?
[10:40] <Sean____> I see nothing with "0" or saying false.
[10:41] <Sean____> there are some checkboxes that are not checked, and cursor font has <no value>
[10:41] <delac> Sean____: that sould not be a problem
[10:41] <Sonja> Sean____:  you might have to hit tab a few tims to navigat/
[10:42] <delac> Sean____: motion-acceleration and reshold are ok?
[10:42] <Sean____> acceleration & threshold = -1
[10:42] <Sean____> dunno if -1 is bad or not.
[10:42] <delac> Sean____: try 3 for both
[10:45] <Sean____> hm
[10:45] <Sean____> nope.
[10:46] <Sean____> Hold on, I have dinner - I'll keep the chat open and take a look when I'm done and try anything you suggest.
[10:46] <Sean____> cheers.
[10:51] <Kevin1a> Since you guys aren't troubleshooting anymore can I inturrupt for a second and ask if there is a Medibuntu repository for Natty yet.  I'm using the beta to help find bugs, but I still need w32codecs
[10:51] <vish> !medibuntu
[10:52] <vish> hrm, not a very informative factoid..
[10:53] <vish> Kevin1a: looks like it aint there yet.. » http://packages.medibuntu.org/ (but i dont use medibuntu)
[10:55] <Kevin1a> I wouldn't but I have some old media from my pre-linux days that I want to play.  I guess I'll have to look for an alternate way to get the codecs installed.  Thank you for the help
[11:17] <whitman> If I click on the clock and select "Time & Date Settings..." no windows open, no errors.  Anyone else having this problem?
[11:19] <Kevin1a> @whitman I just did it and it worked for me.  Is there anything special about your install?
[11:20] <whitman> Kevin1a, fresh install in VirtualBox using Ubuntu Classic
[11:22] <Kevin1a> Hmmm, I'm not really sure then.  I'll let the more knowledgable guys take a crack at this.  Although, when I've used virtual box, it wasn't uncommon for me to have little quirks like that.  I wonder if it would do it for you if you were using a live CD rather than the box.
[11:26] <SupeR_NovA> Help !
[11:26] <SupeR_NovA> !nvidia
[11:26] <SupeR_NovA> I removed the latest drivers decided to put on old drivers and not giving me to go as a normal user only as root enter without error please help
[11:28] <yofel> SupeR_NovA: the only drivers for nvidia that currently work are nouveau and nvidia-current, -173 and -96 don't work yet
[11:34] <SupeR_NovA> yofel, how to fix this prolbem which driver to install
[11:34] <yofel> a) how and which driver did you install and what card do you have?
[11:38] <Narc> SupeR_NovA, yofel : Are you guys talking about Nvidia drivers on beta 1 ?
[11:38] <Sean____> yeah, still have the issue with the mouse not working, also noticed the mouse cursor seems to disappear once I bring up gconfig-
[11:38] <SupeR_NovA> Narc, yes !
[11:40] <Narc> SupeR_NovA: I'm asking because I had an issue with acceleration, I solved it by uninstalling the recommended driver which was installed by default and installing it back again.
[11:42] <SupeR_NovA> Narc, Yes, and I so that is one of eastern packages have conflicts
[11:43] <delac> Sean____: does the mouse cursor get behind the gconf-window, or dissapear completely?
[11:45] <IronHalik> hello
[11:45] <IronHalik> what should I use to "burn" beta1 image to usb drive?
[11:45] <IronHalik> tried unetbootin and it pretty much hung during boot on syslinux screen
[11:46] <delac> IronHalik: you got working Ubuntu installation?
[11:46] <IronHalik> not sure :>
[11:46] <delac> IronHalik: what distro are you using?
[11:46] <IronHalik> the new ubuntu natty beta1
[11:47] <IronHalik> ubuntu-11.04-beta1-desktop-i386
[11:47] <delac> IronHalik: so you do have it installed already?
[11:47] <IronHalik> no, I wanted to boot it from usb
[11:47] <IronHalik> first
[11:48] <delac> IronHalik: are you using windows at the moment?
[11:48] <IronHalik> yup
[11:48] <delac> IronHalik: ah, ok
[11:48] <IronHalik> I used unetbootin with syslinux 4.03 to write the img on my USB
[11:48] <IronHalik> drive
[11:49] <Sean____> delac: completely disappears
[11:50] <Sean____> I enabled locate cursor before I closed the window, so I hit ctrl to locate it (its like a radar animation to show its location) its still apparently in the centre of the screen
[11:50] <Sean____> but its invisible.
[11:52] <delac> Sean____: hmm... you got windows installed on that machine too? do the mouses work there?
[11:52] <Sean____> so I am unable to move it and it pretty much disappears quickly as well.
[11:52] <Sean____> yeah I got windows on a different partition, mouse works fine there
[11:52] <Sean____> no problems.
[11:53] <delac> IronHalik: you could try the usb-creator.exe, as described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating%20a%20bootable%20Ubuntu%20USB%20flash%20drive
[11:54] <IronHalik> hm, k ill try
[11:54] <IronHalik> thx
[11:54] <delac> IronHalik: and you did check that the iso is ok?
[11:54] <SupeR_NovA> Narc, I install nvidia drivers on Ubuntu 11 04 restart and hop on my monitor turns off what is due this
[11:54] <delac> IronHalik: md5 sums match?
[11:55] <IronHalik> sec
[11:55] <Sean____> setting acceleration threshold variables to 3 don't help BTW
[11:55] <delac> Sean____: do you have any live usb or cd so you could try thr mouses on different ubuntu?
[11:56] <yofel> SupeR_NovA: your monitor turns off at boot with the drivers enabled o.O? I've only heard about that with the open source drivers
[11:56] <Sean____> I do have a USB. the mouse was working on previous ubuntu installations actually
[11:56] <Sean____>  I believe I had 10.4 as well, which worked fine too.
[11:57] <delac> Sean____: so it's some config somewhere, but I can't figure out what
[11:57] <Sean____> hm interesting.
[11:57] <delac> Sean____: or something didn't install correctly on the boot
[11:58] <Sean____> I didnt change anything between upgrades.
[11:58] <Sean____> hmm ok
[11:58] <Sean____> well
[11:58] <Sean____> is there anything I could do incase of corrupted files/kernels/packages or whatever they are?
[11:59] <Narc> SupeR_NovA : What is the model of your Nvidia card ? Is it a newer one ? I have a geforce 9600GT and reinstalling the recommended drivers was enough to make it work.
[11:59] <delac> Sean____: reinstalling would probably help, but the problem is to find the correct package
[11:59] <Sean____> actually interestingly, I did have an error pop up before about some sort of kernal corruption and that I should report the problem which I did.
[11:59] <Sean____> didnt really give any further information though
[12:00] <Sean____> anything I can do to hunt down the corrupted files?
[12:00] <delac> Sean____: you might want to check that error message
[12:01] <Sean____> I dont think it provided any detailed information sadly.
[12:01] <yofel> if it's a kernel error, running 'dmesg' in a terminal will show it
[12:02] <Sean____> alright one moment
[12:02] <delac> Sean____: yes, but firs replug the mouse
[12:02] <yofel> corrupted files can be found using debsums, but I'm not convinced that's the problem
[12:03] <Sean____> I think the error pops up when it firsts starts up
[12:03] <Sean____> I'll restart the laptop 1 sec
[12:04] <IronHalik> decoder_, for some reason second write worked - with unetbootin :>
[12:05] <lantizia> Hey I'm on a Classic session (Gnome 2.32.1)... I've got rid of the "Indicator Applet Appmenu" applet... how do I get my windows to show menu bars again?
[12:05] <delac> IronHalik: well, that's good
[12:05] <lantizia> ah nevermind they already are
[12:05] <Nijabo> Odd problem - I installed Ubuntu 11.04 on a partition, but it can't find my wifi network. It finds other networks in the building but not mine, and I can find my netowk without a hitch on my Windows sytem.
[12:07] <Sean____> hm, the error message wont pop up again
[12:08] <delac> Sean____: well, replug the mouse and dmesg on terminal
[12:09] <Sean_____> sorry lost connection there for a moment.
[12:10] <delac> Sean____: replug the mouse and dmesg on terminal
[12:12] <Sean_____> can you tell me the keyboard shortcut to get directly to terminal? alt+f2, with the command with terminal checked makes the terminal window close almost instantly after the command has run.
[12:12] <delac> Sean_____: alt-f2 and gnome-terminal
[12:13] <delac> it seems some people are having connection problems....
[12:14] <Sean____> okay
[12:14] <Sean____> a ton of info came up.
[12:14] <delac> Sean____: last three lines likely the important ones
[12:15] <delac> but firs, replug the mouse and do the dmesg again
[12:15] <delac> Sean____: note the new lines at the end
[12:16] <JohnHeikkila> Installing 11.04 live on a USB is completely safe, right? [/sarcasm]
[12:17] <delac> JohnHeikkila: should be. at least it wont harm you computer. althoug it does wipe the usb stick empty, if that is what you mean.
[12:18] <coz_>  good day all
[12:19] <JohnHeikkila> delac: Yup
[12:19] <lantizia> OK... how can I make the menu bars come back on the windows seriously?
[12:20] <delac> lantizia: you need to use Ubuntu Classic and remove the appmenu from the panel
[12:20] <lantizia> delac, already done that - but the menu bars don't instantly appear when you load a program
[12:20] <lantizia> it takes ages for it to remember to put them on each window
[12:21] <Sean____> ok
[12:21] <Sean____> got the messages
[12:21] <Sean____> sorry for the delay
[12:21] <delac> lantizia: hmm, thats odd
[12:21] <Sean____> usb 5-2: USB disconnect, address 3 |next line|
[12:22] <Sean____> usb 5-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
[12:22] <delac> Sean____: use pastebin
[12:22] <Sean____> k
[12:23] <Sean____> http://pastebin.com/0yF1R4rc
[12:23] <Milos_SD> Hi
[12:24] <Milos_SD> When I click on Send/Receive in Evolution, it just hangs, and evolution process starts using 100% cpu :S
[12:24] <delac> Sean____: nothing else? it ends there?
[12:25] <Sean____> yeah those are the new lines that come up when I unplug and replug the wireless mouse receiver
[12:25] <delac> Sean____: well, it sees new usb device, but doesnt recognize it as a mouse or any kind of input device
[12:26] <Sean____> hm interesting
[12:26] <Sean____> anything we can do about that
[12:27] <delac> Sean____: I'n need to be afk for a while. Try the other mouse and see what it says.
[12:28] <Sean____> ok
[12:29] <lantizia> Where has the last tab of Appearance gone (i.e. visual effects settings)
[12:29] <Sean____> exactly the same, except it says high speed rather than low speed USB.
[12:31] <delac> Sean____: it seems more and more to be bug with the installation (something didnt install correctly). Try bugging yofel, he did seem to have some other thought
[12:32] <Sean____> ok
[12:32] <yofel> hm...
[12:32] <Sean____> hmmm indeed, sir.
[12:32] <Sean____> hmm indeed.
[12:33] <yofel> I fear I'm clueless here either :/
[12:34] <Sean____> ahh nuu
[12:34] <Sean____> well.
[12:34] <Sean____> I think a clean reinstall of ubuntu 11.4 may be in order here.
[12:34] <yofel> Sean____: does 'tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log' say anything about a mouse?
[12:34] <Sean____> I'll go ahead and try to check.
[12:36] <Sean____> I tried to open it but it said no file or directory, I'm probably doing something wrong here
[12:37] <yofel> without the quotes
[12:37] <Sean____> yeah did it without
[12:38] <yofel> odd, /var/log/Xorg.0.log has to exist or somethings seriously foobared
[12:39] <Sean____> alright got it now
[12:39] <Sean____> did it without tail
[12:39] <Sean____> Ill take a look at the log and tell you if I see any reference to "mouse"
[12:39] <Sean____> ok doing a ctrl f search with the term mouse, nope no results.
[12:40] <yofel> Sean____: you can also install pastebinit and run: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:40] <yofel> then I can take a look at it
[12:40] <Sean____> alright
[12:40] <Sean____> how do I go about installing pastebinit with just a keyboard btw :P
[12:41] <Sean____> I'm pretty much a novice with ubuntu here so bare with me haha
[12:41] <yofel> from the terminal: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[12:42] <Sean____> cheers, hold on.
[12:44] <phjr> Hi; I just upgraded to natty and don't really like unity, so I tried to use the "ubuntu classic" session type, but there my compiz settings were changed, I started ccsm and tried to set compiz to my liking again, but now it's all messed up, I can only use the 'ubuntu classic witout effects' - can someone please tell me how to "clear" the settings for that session, or just how to get out of this situation? Thanks!
[12:45] <Sean____> says dpkg was interrupted and I must type  sudo dpkg --configure  -a  to correct the problem
[12:45] <Sean____> should I do that, I assume so?
[12:45] <yofel> Sean____: yes, you want to do that
[12:45] <Sean____> okay
[12:46] <contrast> Greets, everyone... Amarok is only importing ~1/2 of my MP3's to its collection. Could someone point me in the direction of a solution? :D
[12:46] <Narc> Hello all, can I ask questions about the Unity UI here ?
[12:47] <yofel> Narc: sure
[12:48] <Sean____> yeah seems to be doing its thing
[12:48] <Sean____> downloading and installing it
[12:48] <Sean____> so I'll tell you when it finishes that
[12:49] <Narc> yofel : Thanks. Wasn't sure. Well, I'm just wondering if there's any way to quickly mount a disk. I'm used to the old places menu, what's the replacement ? Do I need to open the file browser first every time ?
[12:50] <yofel> Sean____: I think it would be best if you run 'sudo apt-get install -f' and 'sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' after it finishes (if you use gnome/unity)
[12:50] <Sean____> okay
[12:50] <yofel> Sean____: as something didn't go right when you installed something at some point
[12:50] <Sean____> I was about to say it seems to be doing a lot of stuff just for one app.
[12:51] <Sean____> watching it do all sorts of things in the terminal.
[12:52] <Sean____> and yes I believe I use gnome/unity, I'm just using the normal Ubuntu 11.4, no other type. What I notice is that the interface still looks like the desktop one rather than the new one that apparently should be included.
[12:52] <contrast> Sean____: that 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' command configures any/all packages which aren't properly set up. It can take a while to complete if an upgrade was interrupted. ;)
[12:53] <Sean____> ah I see
[12:53] <Sean____> okay it seems to be done
[12:53] <Sean____> now I'll try the apt-get for pastebinit again
[12:53] <Sean____> so I can show you my log file, before I do the other commands you suggested
[12:54] <yofel> Sean____: I think it would make more sense that you first make sure the system is in a good state, reboot and try to connect the mouse again
[12:54] <Sean____> okay fair enough
[12:54] <Sean____> shall I do the commands you suggested now?
[12:54] <yofel> yes
[12:55] <contrast> Anyone here using Amarok? It's missing a *lot* of my MP3's when scanning files into its collection.
[12:55] <Sean____> okay, I have to do them one at a time, correct?
[12:56] <Sean____> yeah probably duh haha
[12:56] <yofel> Sean____: as I posted them
[12:56] <yofel> contrast: usually not, but I can start it, sec
[12:57] <contrast> yofel: Thanks :)
[12:57] <Milos_SD> There is some bug in evolution-rss plugin (like every time in Ubuntu development), that just hangs Evolution (process starts using 100% cpu when I click on send/receive)
[12:59] <yofel> contrast: hm, my current collection refresh seems to have everything, but I did have a problem once where it ignored folders that were symlinked into ~/Music
[13:00] <Sean____> ok mate doing the remove && install command now (did the install -f one already)
[13:00] <Sean____> thanks for the help thus far
[13:01] <contrast> yofel: hrmm... no symlinks here. it's just ignoring ~10,000 files.
[13:01] <Sean____> hm bugger, seems to fail at the installation command because it cant fetch the packages
[13:01] <Sean____> cant resolve the address
[13:01] <Sean____> ah
[13:01] <Sean____> might need to configure the wifi on it.
[13:02] <Sean____> Since I don't use DHCP, use fixed IPs for my network.
[13:02] <Sean____> is there a shortcut to bring up the wifi window without needing a working mouse?
[13:03] <steveire> Hi. I have just upgraded to natty. I have two monitors in a 'double wide screen' setup, which used to work, and now doesn't. I think I was using drivers downloaded directly from the nvidia website before, but I'd prefer to use distro stuff instead. My second monitor is blank, but I seem to be able to move my mouse in there.
[13:03] <steveire> lspci | grep VGA
[13:03] <steveire> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 9300 GE] (rev a1)
[13:04] <Sean____> ^ atleast your mouse works! :P
[13:04] <steveire> :)
[13:04] <steveire> I tried using jockey-kde to see if it would offer proprietry drivers but it didn't
[13:04] <steveire> It offered experimental drivers of some sort, so I installed those.
[13:04] <Sean____> wait for yofel to respond, he knows his stuff!
[13:05] <steveire> The display settings shows both screens and I can use it to say that the second screen should be on the right, but the screen remains blank.
[13:05] <steveire> During installation both screens worked and showed clones of each other. Both showed the same content
[13:05] <yofel> oh hey steveire ^^
[13:06] <steveire> Hi :)
[13:08] <yofel> hm, no idea how nouveau does that (or if it even can), as for the nvidia drivers: the 270 ones (nvidia-current) will work for 9XXX cards, not sure why jockey doesn't show them, unless you remove the required packages for that (which you need to install the nvidia installer afaik)
[13:09] <steveire> I didn't uninstall them (clean install here) and I ticked the box to use them. What package should I install?
[13:09] <steveire> sudo: aptitude: command not found
[13:09] <steveire> :(
[13:09] <yofel> heh, aptitude isn't installed by default anymore on desktops
[13:10] <steveire> Yeah, I think I had that on maverick too...
[13:10] <yofel> yes, that's since maverick
[13:10] <Sean____> hey mate, any possible way to open up the internet configuration options (wifi) via terminal or something?
[13:11] <yofel> Sean____: I don't use gnome, so if there is then I don't know one
[13:11] <Sean____> ouch
[13:11] <Sean____> alright then
[13:11] <Milos_SD> How can I get compiz window previews plugin to work with Unity launcher?
[13:11] <lcb> steveire, $ gnome-display-properties is not detecting the 2nd one? i had that same issue time ago and failsafe - defaults resolved the matter
[13:12] <yofel> steveire: jockey does list the nvidia drivers here, file a bug on jockey I guess if it doesn't for you. You can install nvidia-current with apt too, you'll need to run nvidia-xconfig after install though
[13:12] <yofel> lcb: he's not using gnome
[13:12] <steveire> Buh? http://dpaste.com/528580/
[13:12] <lcb> ohh
[13:13] <steveire> That's attempting an update
[13:13] <yofel> steveire: what image did you install?
[13:13] <steveire> I never know what package compromises to make
[13:13] <steveire> yofel: Some alpha from about 1.5 weeks ago
[13:14] <yofel> ah, then update please first, and it's ok to remove those 2
[13:14] <yofel> I don't have them either anymore
[13:15] <steveire> Ok, that'll take about 20 mins...
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:50] <steveire> If I click bugs on this page I don't get to somewhere that I can report a bug against jockey: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/ia64/jockey-kde
[13:51] <steveire> Got here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/jockey
[13:52] <Pici> steveire: run: ubuntu-bug jockey
[13:53] <myk_robinson> would someone mind addressing me directly? testing a notification. Thanks
[13:55] <yofel> myk_robinson: ping
[13:55] <myk_robinson> thanks, its working fine.
[13:55] <yofel> iirc you can also get ubottu to ping you
[13:55] <yofel> !ping
[13:55] <yofel> hm, no
[13:57] <myk_robinson> I am unable to add any accounts to Gwibber. Anyone else able to duplicate the problem? I saw a bug report on an indexing failure for adding Facebook, but I am unable to add my Twitter account, or any other, for that matter. They say successful, but the account is not added. If it matters, this was upgraded from Maverick, not clean installed
[14:07] <dns53> i have an busybox prompt after combining dmcrypt, lvm and btrfs, any idea how to get from busybox to my installation?
[14:07] <dns53> i can mount the partition containing the install
[14:07] <tbabut> hi. pressing the print button on keyboard in current ubuntu natty does not take a screenshot. keyboard shortcut is set to the print button, which is default. didn't find a related bug report yet...
[14:14] <trancegeek> how would i go about installing a ppa for maverick in natty? it's just an icon pack so compatibility shouldn't be an issue, there just isn't one built for natty yet
[14:14] <xteejx> Hi all, am running Natty, Beta 1 is out and still have quite a few packages waiting to be installed, dependency problems. Any ideas? Includes banshee, libc6, libpam, linux-*-generic etc
[14:16] <xteejx> anyone at all?
[14:20] <steveire> yofel: After all those updates, I was able to install prop. nvidia and get my double screen setup working again :)
[14:21] <yofel> see, things do get fixed :P
[14:24] <damien> update when? today?
[14:31] <damien> steveire: today?
[14:31] <steveire> damien: Yes
[14:32] <steveire> I clean-installed natty alpha and then upgraded it
[14:32] <damien> are you able to specify which screen the unity bar goes on do you know?
[14:33] <steveire> I'm using kubuntu.
[15:23] <thiebaude> bug725434
[15:23] <bazhang> need a space
[15:23] <thiebaude> thanks :)
[15:23] <bazhang> :)
[15:23] <thiebaude> bug 725434
[15:24] <thiebaude> how does someone remove gl from cairo?
[15:24] <Dr_Willis> Im not even sure whjat Cairo is.
[15:24] <thiebaude> !cairo
[15:25] <bazhang> cairo-dock?
[15:25] <thiebaude> not sure, someone said they did that and memory use went down much lower
[15:25] <bazhang> !find cairo
[15:26] <IronHalik> hello
[15:26] <bazhang> hi
[15:26] <IronHalik> ive got two questions bout unity :>
[15:26] <trancegeek> ok when i use ubuntu classic for my session
[15:27] <IronHalik> how can I make the side panel to appear when i touch the side with my coursor
[15:27] <trancegeek> aero-snapping doesn't account for the bottom bar
[15:27] <IronHalik> and how to make the globalmenu to show all the file menus all the time :>
[15:27] <trancegeek> it puts the window to the bottom of the top bar, and bottom of the screen
[15:27] <trancegeek> how can i fix this?
[15:27] <bazhang> trancegeek, please on one line, thats very hard to read otherwise
[15:27] <Dr_Willis> IronHalik:  i saw soeme web site that had tips/settings for the global menu  question. It may of been webupd8 or the omgubuntu site.
[15:28] <trancegeek> sorry
[15:28] <ohsix> IronHalik: install compizconfig-settings-manager and look at the settings for the Unity plugin
[15:29] <hachre> yeah, I would like to know that too
[15:29] <ohsix> i saw someone mention there were hiding options in there
[15:29] <ohsix> yep
[15:29] <ohsix> theres a "Hide laquncher" option in there
[15:29] <Dr_Willis> I imagine in a few weeks there will be 1000's of web sites with 'hidden option guides' :)
[15:30] <thiebaude> i used some of the options in there,very cool :)
[15:30] <trancegeek> so does anyone know how i would fix this snap plugin?
[15:30] <thiebaude> unity plugin
[15:30] <IronHalik> kk, thx
[15:30] <IronHalik> ill try that
[15:30] <Dr_Willis> check the snap plugin settings perhaps. There alsy may be a key combo to do what you want.
[15:31]  * Dr_Willis personally sees himself using Xubuntu in the near future.
[15:31] <Dr_Willis> or Lubuntu :)
[15:32] <trancegeek> i think gnome is still winning the competition
[15:32] <trancegeek> as far as usability and overall quality goes
[15:33] <thiebaude> trancegeek: what happens if they do away with gnome and unity does not work out?
[15:33] <trancegeek> if ubuntu does away with gnome then they won't work out
[15:33] <trancegeek> and i'll switch to a distro that hasn't gone retarded at that point
[15:33] <trancegeek> i don't see gnome just going buh-bye any time soon
[15:34] <Dr_Willis> of coruse the gnome devs are also heading in  differnt directons...
[15:34] <thiebaude> true Dr_Willis :)
[15:34] <Dr_Willis> who knows what willhappen in 3 years.
[15:34] <thiebaude> exactly
[15:34] <Dr_Willis> it just seems they are thowing stuff out to  be differnt, with not a lot of real 'research' in how to improve gui's
[15:35] <thiebaude> i love the concept of unity
[15:35] <vish> Apple,Inc. buys Ubuntu
[15:35] <Dr_Willis> really dont see the point of the concept of unity. :)
[15:35] <Dr_Willis> been playing with JoliOS also lately. it has a few neat ideas.
[15:35] <thiebaude> i tried it too
[15:35] <Dr_Willis> Im so used to my Android Phone..  i try doing things on the PC.. that im used to on the phone
[15:35] <thiebaude> i have the dvd i burnt
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> I got Joli Os on a flash drive to play with. :)  it finally started working with my ATI desktop.
[15:37] <thiebaude> installed the nvidia drivers during install, i liiked that:)
[15:37] <thiebaude> liked
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> the earlier relases installed the nvidia drivers.. then failed to boot up. :)
[15:37] <thiebaude> i only had to do a gksud nvidia-settings to set the resolution
[15:37] <thiebaude> gksudo
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> same with the ati drivers.. ..  but latest is now working
[15:38] <Dr_Willis> soon the GUI's will get so minimal.. we will be back to the terminal.
[15:38] <Dr_Willis> :P
[15:38] <thiebaude> now you got me wanting to install it again as my only OS ,lol :)
[15:38] <Dr_Willis> 8+GB flash drives are handy to test out OS's on.
[15:38] <thiebaude> yep and i need to buy some
[15:39] <Dr_Willis> saw 16'gbs on sale a week or so ago for like $20
[15:39] <thiebaude> bbl, Dr_Willis going to grab my dvd,lol :)
[15:39] <thiebaude> haha
[15:39] <Dr_Willis> thiebaude:  you may want to redownload the latest - if you got older version
[15:40] <thiebaude> I got 1.2
[15:40] <Dr_Willis> amuseing thing about JoliOS - it basicaly forced me to upgrade. :) Im not even sure if it asked..
[15:41]  * Dr_Willis looks for his flash drive.
[15:41] <thiebaude> lol
[15:41] <ChrisBuchholz> Hey. I have been running alpha 2
[15:41] <Dr_Willis> one thing i Really like. is how i got a JoliOS plugin for GoogleCHrome. so the 2  os's sort of 'sync'
[15:41] <ChrisBuchholz> woaw, woops, too early to press return
[15:41] <ohsix> thiebaude: gnome isn't something in the manner you use it, that will be done away with
[15:42] <ohsix> if unity was part of gnome it would account for something less than a tenth of a percent
[15:42] <thiebaude> does canonical get input from "end users" ?
[15:43] <ohsix> yes
[15:43] <Pici> yes
[15:43] <thiebaude> ok thanks
[15:43] <thiebaude> :)
[15:44] <wolter> is the plymouth going to be re-enabled for computers with nvidia gpu?
[15:44] <ChrisBuchholz> Hey. I have been running alpha 3, and today wanted to install a clean beta 1, but i cant boot the installer. I get some black screen with white blinking cursor and then i get this "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount fs on unknown block" and then some other stuff. Whats up with this? The installer on alpha 3 worked fine.
[15:45] <ohsix> wolter: thats all up to nvidia
[15:45] <wolter> ohsix, well is that the first days of my beta install had plymouth working, or something identical, but now its gone after an upgrade I did... so I don't think its nvidia's fault
[15:46] <ohsix> plymouth uses drm/kms, did it work with the proprietary driver before? they're not going to do much different in the future
[15:46] <wolter> yes, i have the proprietary driver
[15:46] <wolter> always have*
[15:46] <ohsix> wolter: ah, chances are it was using nouveau, and someone installed the proprietary driver
[15:47] <wolter> no no, i have been using the prop driver for years now hehe
[15:47] <wolter> never installed nouveau
[15:48] <ohsix> the beta installl ...
[15:48] <wolter> does the beta install nouveau by default?
[15:48] <ohsix> you would have had whatever ubuntu uses before you installed the proprietary driver again, which for natty is nouveau
[15:49] <ohsix> its the first version of ubuntu to ship it, yes
[15:50] <wolter> oh :s i was so happy thinking that nvidia cards would support plymouth
[15:50] <wolter> ohsix, do you use nvidia?
[15:50] <thiebaude> wolter: i use 8400 gs :)
[15:50] <ohsix> nope
[15:50] <wolter> thiebaude, have you been having problems with compiz?
[15:50] <thiebaude> yes
[15:50] <ohsix> well; the 8800gtx is in a machine distinctively missing ubuntu
[15:51] <wolter> like a lot of crashes?
[15:51] <thiebaude> high menmory use
[15:51] <wolter> oh
[15:51] <thiebaude> bug 725434
[15:51] <wolter> i don't know if its only me, but when the regex matching plugin in compiz is enabled, i get a compiz crash for every click i click
[15:52]  * thiebaude actually uses more than windows 7 did,lol :)
[15:54] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, is it possible to rearrange the unity bar icons?
[15:54] <wolter> also, does anybody know if the menubar will be accessible with alt+ key?
[15:54] <wolter> ActionParsnip, yes
[15:54] <wolter> ActionParsnip, drag outside and insert at the desired position
[15:54] <ActionParsnip> wolter: ahhh i see
[15:55] <wolter> glad to help!
[15:55] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  I have not been able to rearrange with current updates
[15:55] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  just the bottom two icons
[15:55] <ActionParsnip> coz_: wolter's advice is working a treat here :)
[15:55] <coz_> cool
[15:55] <ActionParsnip> wolter: cheers dude
[15:56] <coz_> I will have to test on natty machine
[15:56] <ohsix> wolter: there are a lot of weird crashes
[15:56] <ohsix> mine is one with enabling scale
[15:56] <ohsix> it was horrid to get even close to my old settings
[15:57] <ChrisBuchholz> Hey. I have been running alpha 3, and today wanted to install a clean beta 1, but i cant boot the installer. I get some black screen with white blinking cursor and then i get this "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount fs on unknown block" and then some other stuff. Whats up with this? The installer on alpha 3 worked fine.
[15:57] <wolter> ohsix, sure its not regex matching's fault? I had some traceback where scale and shadow and other plugins were mentioned, but regex matching was the one producing the crash
[15:57] <thiebaude> Chris, maybe try the beta 1 to see if that still happens
[15:57] <ohsix> ChrisBuchholz: hold shift while it boots so you can see some boot messages
[15:58] <ChrisBuchholz> thiebaude: it is the beta 1 i am trying with
[15:58] <ChrisBuchholz> ohsix: i will
[15:58] <ohsix> wolter: could very well be, but my comment was more to suggest that it is fragile & an entirely differeny beast than .8
[15:58] <thiebaude> ok my bad :)
[15:59] <coz_> ah workspace switcher, aoolications. and files and folder icons dont move other than amongst themselved
[15:59] <coz_> themselves
[15:59] <coz_> applications rather
[16:00] <ohsix> oh yea
[16:00] <ohsix> i had applications that would crash compiz
[16:01] <ohsix> thiebaude: you could be doing me a favor if you install visual-regexp, then try and run it
[16:01] <wolter> this has been a horrible beta haha
[16:01] <ohsix> expect compiz to crash; and let me know either way
[16:01] <wolter> and is everybody's apt-get update process so much longer than before the upgrade?
[16:01] <ChrisBuchholz> ohsix: only thing that happened by holding shift that menu with language, install/try options.
[16:02] <ohsix> wolter: well it was the alpha, and the packages haven'y updated since i transitioned to the beta, so i'm assuming its still a problem
[16:02] <thiebaude> ohsix: np, i'll have to do it later :)
[16:02] <wolter> yeah.. i've been updating everyday expecting fixes
[16:02] <ohsix> ChrisBuchholz: you need to remove "quiet splash" from the commandline before it boots, i think you do that with f6 after picking the language
[16:02] <thiebaude> i need to re-install ubuntu
[16:04] <wolter> and empathy cant hold itself together for a minute without crashing
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> wolter: mines fine, feels ready on my system personally. Has been for a few months now. Compiz used to keel over a lot but now its ok
[16:05] <wolter> ActionParsnip, so no compiz crashes on your end?
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> wolter: used to in the early alphas but now its fine
[16:07] <Dr_Willis> ive been having a few crashes locking up the whole pc. but not updated today.
[16:09] <ChrisBuchholz> ohsix: "LZMA data is corrupt" and "VFS: cannot open root device (null) or unknown block" and "please append a correct root= boot option" and then that kernel panic thing comes
[16:10] <wolter> ActionParsnip, and is your unity panel blurred? I enabled the blur but it didn't change a thing
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> wolter: not that I'm aware of, looks fine
[16:11] <ohsix> ChrisBuchholz: bad cd, use the "check disk for errors" entry after language selection
[16:13] <ChrisBuchholz> ohsix: alrighty then ;)
[16:15] <ohsix> ChrisBuchholz: also get the md5sum of the iso you burned and compare it to the one on the server
[16:22] <ChrisBuchholz> ohsix: i burned it on a KDE machine, so i bet thats the problem :p
[16:23] <ohsix> shrug
[16:23] <ohsix> could be, not hard to check
[16:23] <ohsix> i've had luck with growisofs -Z to burn "raw" things like wii isos
[16:25] <ChrisBuchholz> ohsix: i am rrdownloading the image and will check md5 sum and reburn. no hard feelings
[16:25] <ohsix> shrug
[16:27] <coz_> ChrisBuchholz,  try to burn that at 1x if possible
[16:27] <ohsix> or at least slower, it does rule out one class of problems
[16:27] <ChrisBuchholz> coz_:  i usually do, actually
[16:27] <coz_> cool
[16:29] <ChrisBuchholz> this is the first time ever i have done a "bad burn". that might be why i didnt consider that option to start with
[16:29] <thiebaude> brasero sets my speed automatically, never had a problem, except the other day, user error,lol:)
[16:29] <thiebaude> i burned the file instead of burn contents
[16:29] <ohsix> well the prime suspect is the iso itself
[16:30] <ohsix> media stuff happens, but nowhere near as often as bad transfers do
[16:30] <thiebaude> im in the process of doing a 11.04 april 4 dail
[16:30] <thiebaude> dAILY
[16:30] <thiebaude> opps
[16:30] <ohsix> ChrisBuchholz: btw if you have a corrupt iso you can use the zsync file to fix it fast
[16:31] <ChrisBuchholz> ohsix: thanks for the tip!
[16:31] <ohsix> media problems & bad burns are generally of the doesn't even start booting variety
[16:31] <delac> does anyone know what is the name of the package that includes the "media apps" and "internet apps" Lenses? Or are they even "Lenses"?
[16:36] <ohsix> lenses?
[16:36] <ohsix> not sure of the termi n that context
[16:38] <delac> ohsix: at least the file and aplication finders are lenses (the icons that have magnifying glass)
[16:39] <delac> ohsix: but those two are not in the only place I could associate with lenses, so I'm not sure about them
[16:39] <grawcho> hi ... quick question ... i  have 11.04 installed with KDE 4.6 and a gnome 3.0 session ... + ubuntu classic sessions (unity)
[16:39] <grawcho> and i want to remove unity and ubuntu openbox without damaging the active sessions
[16:39] <grawcho> any one knows how to ?
[16:40] <grawcho> what packeges should i remove to do that ... is it at all possible ?
[16:41] <ohsix> delac: ohh, i have no idea then
[16:41] <ohsix> delac: but the categories are xdg standard and in the .desktop files
[16:42] <ohsix> grawcho: you can just remove the openbox package
[16:43] <delac> ohsix: what xdg standard and which .desktop files?
[16:43] <ohsix> the .desktop for a given app
[16:43] <ohsix> sec
[16:44] <ohsix> delac: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-latest.html#category-registry
[16:45] <nicofs> Could it be that a recent update caused trouble with wifi drivers? I'm experiencing quite some difficulties connecting and staying connected...
[16:46] <ohsix> nicofs: yes, do you have an iwl9436? (number might be wrong, but comparable)
[16:46] <c1ean> i just got a lenovo x120e
[16:46] <c1ean> so there is no longer a netbook edition of ubuntu?
[16:46] <nicofs> ohsix, how would i find out? lsusb?
[16:48] <nicofs> ohsix, lspci tells me it's Atheros AR9285
[16:48] <ohsix> nicofs: lspci, or lsmod | grep iwl
[16:48] <ohsix> ah ok
[16:48] <ohsix> different problem then
[16:48] <c1ean> however it's listed here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[16:48] <c1ean> someone in #ubuntu told me there is no more netbook
[16:49] <nicofs> ohsix, the way i see it, reliability depends on mode of encryption...
[16:50] <ohsix> i don't follow
[16:51] <Pici> c1ean: Only because that is compiled for ARM
[16:51] <Pici> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta#Ubuntu%20Netbook%20on%20ARM
[16:51] <Pici> c1ean: Unless you mean its 'listed' somewhere else
[16:52] <c1ean> gotcha
[16:52] <c1ean> downloading now
[16:52] <delac> ohsix: when you said the categories are xdg standard, what categories did you mean?
[16:53] <ohsix> delac: at the url i posted
[16:53] <ohsix> i don't know about any lenses or views as far as unity is concerned
[16:54] <ohsix> but thats the root of the category info
[16:56] <nicofs> ohsix, i have two wifi networks here, i can use. one is encrypted via wpa2 passkey another one uses PEAP/MSCHAPv2 with username and password. the latter is more reliable, even though the signal is weaker... does that make sense?
[16:56] <ohsix> it does, but not in relation to what had been said before
[16:57] <ohsix> wpa will lean on your wifi hw a bit more
[16:57] <ohsix> and ath9k is in flux, you might search the linux-wireless mailing lists and the wiki for driver status
[16:58] <ohsix> theres also #linux-wireless where you can ask, but you might be waiting for a while
[16:59] <nicofs> ohsix, as long as it is a known issue/ the driver is still in beta, i'm fine... i've got enough other computers with non-beta os to get by...
[17:00] <ohsix> nicofs: well linux-wireless has backport modules, so its good to be informed quickly, and file a bug if you need to; so its know of
[17:01] <ohsix> its not so much tied in with ubunt;s new release status/phase, ie. it will probably not be fixed outside of the backports now or after release
[17:02] <nicofs> ohsix, ok, i think i'll wrap my issue up in a few understandable sentences and post it there... thanks
[17:03] <ohsix> the linux-wireless guys are very responsive though, i've had fixes in as shot as 2 days for bugs i could quantify
[17:05] <PAPAPAPA> hi
[17:17] <pmatulis> anyone else getting a blank screen on console #1 when booting a fresh beta kvm guest?
[17:18] <PAPAPAPA> no
[17:19] <Gaming4JC> ahem, no offense but beta 1 of Natty left me confused, baffled, and dropping support of Ubuntu for my clients.
[17:19] <Gaming4JC> It's just not usable :/
[17:20] <Gaming4JC> For example, maximizing and minimizing windows
[17:20] <Gaming4JC> not possible
[17:20] <Gaming4JC> further more the little naked windows and menu bar shoved in the top left is just insane :P
[17:21] <Gaming4JC> at least make it possible for the end user to easily turn the windows back into literal windows if desired.
[17:21] <gordonjcp> Gaming4JC: you can use "Classic mode", which helps a bit
[17:21] <delac> Gaming4JC: from login screen, select "Ubuntu Classic"
[17:22] <Gaming4JC> gordonjcp, delac: Thanks, will try it...
[17:22] <Gaming4JC> Also thank goodness wvdial is still included
[17:22] <Gaming4JC> needed to get me connected
[17:22] <delac> Gaming4JC: and you can get the menu bar back to window by removing it from the panel
[17:23] <Gaming4JC> delac: Will give it a try...
[17:23] <Gaming4JC> One other thing, without a taskbar what's the best way to switch between windows besides (alt+tab)
[17:23] <Gaming4JC> when I have downloads going on I like seeing the percentage, you know? :P
[17:24] <gordonjcp> Gaming4JC: I haven't figured that out either
[17:24] <Gaming4JC> other things such as this made the entire expeirence quite confusing...
[17:24] <gordonjcp> there's a bar with little squares to click on down the side
[17:24] <gordonjcp> sometimes they launch things and sometimes they make the windows whoosh about
[17:24] <Gaming4JC> lol
[17:24] <Gaming4JC> what a mess... :s
[17:24] <gordonjcp> I haven't really figured that bit out
[17:25] <gordonjcp> you can mouse over them if you want to know what the square represents
[17:25] <Gaming4JC> Also what's up with Gnome being dropped for Unity?
[17:25] <Gaming4JC> Gnome 3 is only 6 days away
[17:25] <Gaming4JC> :P
[17:25] <gordonjcp> Gnome 3 is just as bad
[17:25] <Gaming4JC> blech
[17:25] <Pici> Its not being dropped.
[17:26] <Pici> You can choose your preferred desktop environment at GDM.
[17:26]  * Gaming4JC wants a normal desktop back, you know one where a poweruser can actually work...
[17:26] <Gaming4JC> ;P
[17:27] <Gaming4JC> At any rate, I'm also in need of a program such as gnome-ppp
[17:27] <Gaming4JC> typing command lines in a hard to find terminal window just isn't practicle
[17:27] <Gaming4JC> NetworkManager should have covered it ages ago
[17:28] <gordonjcp> "power user" == n00b
[17:28] <gordonjcp> someone who knows just enough to be a danger to themselves
[17:29] <Gaming4JC> lol... :P
[17:30] <Gaming4JC> Well, the day when it's difficult to work in a terminal is the day Linux desktop environments failed.
[17:30] <Gaming4JC> I love my terminal window
[17:30] <Gaming4JC> :D
[17:30] <jpds> Gaming4JC: Not to the 'average' user.
[17:30] <charlie-tca> Terminal is easy in unity - Ctrl+Alt+t
[17:31] <Gaming4JC> charlie-tca: And how would I resize it and move it nicely into the left hand corner of my screen?...
[17:31] <jpds> Gaming4JC: Ctrl-Alt-F1.
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> Gaming4JC: use guake then, super easy :)
[17:32] <Gaming4JC> isn't installed by default... :P
[17:32] <charlie-tca> I do it with a mouse
[17:32] <charlie-tca> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/28087#28087
[17:32] <charlie-tca> has a list of usable shortcuts for Unity
[17:32] <akavlie> what's the best way to get to the Places menu content in Unity?
[17:32] <ActionParsnip> Gaming4JC: so what, a whole tonne of stuff isn't installed by default, but you install it....
[17:33] <ActionParsnip> Gaming4JC: default means nothing at all
[17:33] <Gaming4JC> ActionParsnip: unlike africa, we don't have highspeed in some parts of America. :P
[17:33] <Gaming4JC> without a simple image editor, decent terminal window, and dial-up support...
[17:33] <Gaming4JC> well
[17:33] <jpds> ActionParsnip: Actually, is means anything that isn't your fault.
[17:33] <Gaming4JC> need I say more...
[17:34] <jpds> Gaming4JC: http://www.cablemap.info/
[17:34] <ActionParsnip> !info guake
[17:34] <Gaming4JC> and even if I did have highspeed, mediacom is throttling at 128kbps at a relatives house o_O
[17:35] <ActionParsnip> Gaming4JC: 133kb will come down in no time over dialup
[17:35] <Gaming4JC> takes freakin ages to update
[17:35] <ActionParsnip> Gaming4JC: need I say more
[17:35] <Gaming4JC> ActionParsnip: yes, terminals are small and decent. But now try for GIMP :P
[17:36] <Gaming4JC> leave you're computer on for a good week and hope it doesn't disconnect
[17:36] <Gaming4JC> heh
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> Gaming4JC: oh true, there's gpaint if you want a basic image editting
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> !info gpaint
[17:36] <thiebaude> cool, nvidia drivers installed by default :)
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> again, 116kb will come down in no time
[17:37] <Gaming4JC> ActionParsnip: Decent size, true. But now how to connect in the first place for the 'average' user :P
[17:37] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: nouveau is, yes :)
[17:37]  * jpds enjoys his several Mbps link to the net.
[17:37] <ActionParsnip> Gaming4JC: that wasnt in your statemet, all you said is that its slow where you are
[17:37] <saxin> what is the status on nvidia geforce 9800gtx and ubuntu 11.04 atm? any problems?
[17:37] <Gaming4JC> took over a year just to get you to support wvdial... meh :P
[17:37] <ActionParsnip> Gaming4JC: i support wvdial?
[17:38] <Gaming4JC> "Ubuntu" as a whole, ActionParsnip
[17:38] <Gaming4JC> :P
[17:38] <ohsix> gordonjcp: try pressing the windows key
[17:38] <Gaming4JC> MOTU fought us on that note...
[17:38] <ActionParsnip> Gaming4JC: try using ubuntu instead of "you" ;)
[17:38] <akavlie> Do you have to open the Home folder to get to the Places menu content?
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> akavlie: nautilus' left hand panel is what dictates the places content, just drag the folder to is and it will appear
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> akavlie: if you open the home folder, you will see the folders in the root of your users home directory
[17:39] <saxin> what is the status on nvidia geforce 9800gtx and ubuntu 11.04 atm? any problems that you know of?
[17:40] <gordonjcp> ohsix: ?
[17:40] <akavlie> ActionParsnip, but how do you get to Places??
[17:41] <ActionParsnip> akavlie: in unity or regular desktop?
[17:41] <ceed^> Hi, I did an apt-get update/upgrade but a couple of packages are "kept back". What does that mean?
[17:41] <akavlie> ActionParsnip, Unity
[17:41] <thiebaude> ohsix, what was that you wanted to type in the terminal, earlier?
[17:43] <ohsix> gordonjcp: nevermind: 09:32 < charlie-tca> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/28087#28087
[17:43] <ohsix> 08:00 < ohsix> i had applications that would crash compiz
[17:43] <ohsix> 08:01 < ohsix> thiebaude: you could be doing me a favor if you install visual-regexp, then try and run it
[17:43] <ohsix> 08:01 < ohsix> expect compiz to crash; and let me know either way
[17:43] <ohsix> ^^ thiebaude
[17:44] <thiebaude> ok np, im back up now with daily cd
[17:44] <thiebaude> 1 sec
[17:45] <thiebaude> ohsix, i got it installed, how do i run it?
[17:46] <ohsix> alt f2 -> visual-regexp, or in a terminal
[17:46] <ohsix> i dunno why theres no .desktop for it
[17:46] <saxin> what is the status on nvidia geforce 9800gtx and ubuntu 11.04 atm? any problems that you know of?
[17:47] <thiebaude> let me reboot and i'll see how it goes
[17:47] <thiebaude> brb
[17:47] <slyrus_> grumble grumble grub-mkconfig grumble...
[17:47] <akavlie> I like a lot of the ideas in Unity, but it seems like it takes some steps backward compared to the traditional Gnome desktop
[17:48] <slyrus_> so grub-mkconfig gets my drives uuid right in the search line, but then revers back to the old in the "linux" line.
[17:48] <Gaming4JC> akavlie: Fully agree. It'd make a nice addition to existing gnome-desktop just due to the launcher, but that's about it
[17:48] <ohsix> akavlie: it's strafing
[17:48] <slyrus_> any grub experts handy?
[17:48] <akavlie> ohsix, strafing?
[17:48] <ohsix> this is a decidedly lateral move
[17:48] <ohsix> yes
[17:49] <akavlie> ah, ok
[17:49] <thiebaude> ohsix, np here
[17:49]  * Gaming4JC thought it was bad when lucid switched position of the window control buttons, now they did away with them altogether
[17:49] <ohsix> speaking to describing it as "steps backward"
[17:49] <Gaming4JC> line up the MOTU
[17:49] <Gaming4JC> D:
[17:49] <ohsix> thiebaude: ok thanks
[17:49] <thiebaude> yw, anytime :)
[17:49] <thiebaude> now time to see if i have updates
[17:50] <Gaming4JC> akavile: I see myself holding onto the LTS for quite awhile. :P
[17:50] <akavlie> I'd like a Gnome panel with Places menu and panel widget support, but also the menu at top that's in Unity.
[17:50] <Gaming4JC> afk | lunch :P
[17:50] <akavlie> loss of panel widgets alone is a deal breaker for me.
[17:51] <akavlie> Gaming4JC, well if it's just for traditional desktop, you can still use that in Natty
[17:51] <akavlie> re: panel widgets, I need that for Time Tracker.
[17:51] <saxin> what is the status on nvidia geforce 9800gtx and ubuntu 11.04 atm? any problems that you know of?
[17:52] <ceed^> thiebaude: I got a couple of packages "held back" during the last updates. Do you see that?
[17:52] <Rb_> hi
[17:52] <ohsix> akavlie: same, i'm in love with the panels, won't touch gnome-shell without them either :[
[17:53] <arand> ceed^: Normally that is a matter of waiting
[17:53] <Rb_> i have a problem with 11.04 beta is there anyone help me??
[17:53] <akavlie> Another thing that kinda sucks: browsing through your installed app categories is more cumbersome, and it prioritizes apps available for download over showing all installed apps in that category.
[17:53] <akavlie> "see 11 more results"
[17:54] <ceed^> arand: I'll wait then, thanks! :)
[17:54] <mikehh> ha - finally managed to get perl 5.12.3 to build (make test ok)
[17:54] <akavlie> ah, well at least if you opt to see more results, it looks like that sticks
[17:55] <mikehh> I missed an option I normally build with - what does _DDEBIAN do?
[17:55] <akavlie> Anyone know if Gnome 3.0 has the same issues as Unity?
[17:56] <thiebaude> ceed^, im checking right now
[17:56] <PAPAPAPA> but you ĥi
[17:56] <ChrisBuchholz> I am trying to boot a newly (twice) installed beta 1, but i jut get "no files found; grub rescue>" ... i have tried installing the bootloader on both the entire hdd and the partition that ubuntu goes on. Neither works. It worked with alpha 3.
[17:56] <PAPAPAPA> hi
[17:56] <JamesMc> How's support for  nvidia cards in natty? (The 460 in particular)
[17:56] <mikehh> sorry that should be -DDEBIAN
[17:57] <ohsix> mikehh: it defines DEBIAN as a preprocessor symbol
[17:57] <ohsix> so #if(DEBIAN) will be true
[17:57] <thiebaude> just 8mb of downloads and np here
[17:57] <ceed^> thiebaude: there's two gnome session packages which are held back. I now understand that "held back" is not a "check engine" light, so I'm good :)
[17:58] <thiebaude> yes
[17:58] <thiebaude> its held back
[17:58] <thiebaude> i had jiust one of them
[17:58] <ceed^> I have two
[17:58] <thiebaude> just
[17:58] <mikehh> ohsix: yeah, but where is it used?
[17:58] <Rb_> i have lost  ubuntu shell , how it will be back?
[17:58] <ohsix> mikehh: no idea, you'll have to grep for it
[18:00] <mikehh> ohsix: hmmn, couldn't see it in the source, maybe it is in the patches that can be applied
[18:00] <ceed^> JamesMc: I'm using the non free driver on a nvidia 9200GS without any problems at all.
[18:00] <JamesMc> ceed^, great, thanks
[18:00] <thiebaude> ceed^, me too
[18:01] <ceed^> thiebaude: you too "held back", or you too "working nvidia driver"? :)
[18:01] <ohsix> mikehh: likely, since the patches generally add that stuff :P
[18:01] <thiebaude> i was surprised it was installed on installing this daily april 4 daily cd
[18:01] <thiebaude> during install
[18:02] <thiebaude> now on to synce firefox 4 :)
[18:02] <thiebaude> sync
[18:03] <thiebaude> ceed^, no problem at all
[18:03] <thiebaude> ram usage is down, but just a little
[18:03] <thiebaude> 709mb out of 2gb with only xchat running :)
[18:04] <thiebaude> a normal gnome would be like 300mb for me
[18:04] <ohsix> use smem to check memory usage
[18:04] <thiebaude> ceed^, and i had a nvidia notification on the panel saying its already installed,lol
[18:05] <ohsix> "in use" is pretty complex
[18:06] <thiebaude> ok
[18:06] <thiebaude> i use htop alot
[18:07] <thiebaude> im installing smem now
[18:07] <ohsix> htop is great
[18:08] <thiebaude> ohsix, for sure complex,lol
[18:08] <thiebaude> haha
[18:08] <thiebaude> yep
[18:09] <ohsix> well you can sort easily on every column, and see a tree; aaaaand there are far more column types to choose froom
[18:09] <Gaming4JC> back...
[18:09] <thiebaude> cool, but htop is simple for me :)
[18:10] <Gaming4JC> look the Ubuntu 11.04 installer shows a picture of Shotwell, and it has a *gasp* titlebar attached to the window :O :O :O
[18:10] <thiebaude> bbl
[18:10]  * Gaming4JC takes a picture to remember how good it looked...
[18:10] <noob> I'm on ubuntu classic and my compiz effects aren't working. Can anybody help?
[18:11] <gordonjcp> Gaming4JC: the windows normally have titlebars
[18:11] <gordonjcp> Gaming4JC: you can uninstall the thing that does the Mac System 6 thing with the menu at the top of the screen
[18:12] <Gaming4JC> gordonjcp: Really? How? :D
[18:12] <Gaming4JC> sudo apt-get remove mac-system-6-thing... o.o
[18:13] <gordonjcp> I can't remember what it's called
[18:13] <gordonjcp> something to do with the panel
[18:13] <Gaming4JC> hmm...
[18:14] <noob> I'm on ubuntu classic and my compiz effects aren't working. Can anybody help?
[18:14] <trism> Gaming4JC: indicator-appmenu, then log out/back in
[18:14] <gordonjcp> that's the one
[18:15] <Gaming4JC> trism, gordonjcp: thanks!
[18:15] <Gaming4JC> :)
[18:15] <Gaming4JC> Regarding compiz, I noticed the Apparence program is missing "Visual Effects" tab altogether
[18:16] <Gaming4JC> such a pitty...
[18:17] <ohsix> it will use it if the card is capable
[18:17] <ohsix> .9 has plugins to detect when it isn't running acceptably and switch too
[18:17] <ohsix> so the need for manual configuration, at least the picking of the three is no longer needed
[18:18] <charlie-tca> because the visual effects are always on in unity
[18:18] <trism> Gaming4JC: you can select the (no effects) session on gdm, which should have the same effect as Visual Effects/None
[18:19] <Gaming4JC> trism: and what about "extra effects"?...
[18:19] <wolter> so if any of you stopped using redshift because you toggled it off and the next time you ran it, it was on again, I have submitted a patch that fixes this. no more ot.
[18:19] <Gaming4JC> I like mine tweaked :)
[18:20] <Gaming4JC> Compiz Fusion icon = win.
[18:20] <ohsix> eh
[18:20] <ohsix> no need for an icon
[18:20] <trism> Gaming4JC: you can still configure whatever effects you'd like in ccsm (although not all of them seem to be working in unity)
[18:20] <ohsix> just run ccsm when you actualy want to change something, otherwise it's a waste of space
[18:20] <Gaming4JC> mmk...
[18:22] <gordonjcp> trism: turning off drop shadows isn't working in unity
[18:22] <wolter> +1
[18:23] <trism> gordonjcp: yes, one of the options I had in mind
[18:24] <gordonjcp> trism: I really wish I could get rid of it, it gives me a headache
[18:24] <Dr_Willis> ive seen some cases where you turn on/off features via ccsm. and they dont really take efect untill you log out/back in.
[18:24] <Dr_Willis> a bug that pops up every so often.
[18:25] <wolter> is the audible bell in the terminal working for anybody using compiz
[18:25] <wolter> ?
[18:26] <gordonjcp> Dr_Willis: tried that, no different
[18:26] <Dr_Willis> Under X - the 'bell' is often disabled. either due to settings, or i recall there being some bug where the ctrl-g (or was it ctrl-a) bell wouldent work in X.
[18:26] <TheBuntu> what stage is natty at right now...alpha 1..2 or what
[18:26] <micahg> TheBuntu: beta 1
[18:27] <gordonjcp> Dr_Willis: in the gconf editor the blur radius is right down, but it's still got massive blurry edges
[18:27] <Dr_Willis> Service pack 90210 :)
[18:27] <WL> is it normal that synaptic tells me some packages cannot be retrieved?
[18:27] <Dr_Willis> WL:  servers could be getting updated, or down
[18:27] <NeKRoiDe> se habla en ingles unicamente?
[18:27] <WL> Dr_Willis: it's jsut a few packages
[18:27] <TheBuntu> micahg: gast respond time
[18:27] <Dr_Willis> could be they are updating right now
[18:28] <TheBuntu> does ppa have an irc channel
[18:28] <micahg> TheBuntu: what do you mean?
[18:28] <WL> ok i'll see if it's workign tomorrow
[18:28] <Dr_Willis> Never noticed a #ubuntu-ppa channelk.. try it nd see
[18:29] <NeKRoiDe> good ... I need to know if you can translate the menus and windows to Spanish 11.04
[18:29] <TheBuntu> nope
[18:29]  * Gaming4JC is pretty sure Unity will be a short-lived environment...
[18:30] <wolter> is anybody getting 3 inbox items in the messaging menu?
[18:30] <TheBuntu> micahg: i ment you resoned fast when i asked what stage natty was at...you was like 2 sec
[18:30] <NeKRoiDe> tengo que esperar hasta el la estable?
[18:30] <NeKRoiDe> I have to wait until the stable?
[18:30] <wolter> !es | NeKRoiDe
[18:31] <wolter> NeKRoiDe, you can download the beta
[18:31] <NeKRoiDe> i have the beta
[18:31] <wolter> NeKRoiDe, what was your question sorry?
[18:31] <NeKRoiDe> I need to know if you can translate the menus and windows to Spanish
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. theres a great many languages supported I thought.
[18:32] <wolter> There is a spanish language pack for ubuntu, if thats what you ask
[18:32] <WL> its 3 kdelibs packages it didnt download
[18:32] <WL> and that just what i needed!
[18:32] <wolter> NeKRoiDe, you mean, set the language for the entire OS to spanish? Yes its possible. If you are wondering about a specific application, then thats up to its developer.
[18:33] <WL> does it come with mind=reading abolities? :s
[18:34] <NeKRoiDe> set the language for the entire OS to spanish? Yes its possible... yess... howto?
[18:35] <maco> NeKRoiDe: id guess /etc/default/locale
[18:35] <ohsix> NeKRoiDe: pick the language you want on the login screen
[18:35] <NeKRoiDe> i change the setting of language support...
[18:35] <NeKRoiDe> but not respond...
[18:36] <maco> per-user you can change it on the login screen, yeah
[18:36] <ohsix> NeKRoiDe: you also will probably have to do something in system -> administration -> language support
[18:36] <maco> but i think if you want it to apply to the terminal (outside of gnome) too, then /etc/default/locale
[18:36] <NeKRoiDe> ok..
[18:36] <NeKRoiDe>  I'll try
[18:37] <LarsTorben> you search an free linux operatingsystem WITHOU T unity ? snowlinux.de/
[18:37] <NeKRoiDe> LANG="es_AR.UTF-8"
[18:37] <NeKRoiDe> LANGUAGE="es:en"
[18:37] <NeKRoiDe> LC_MESSAGES="es_ES.UTF-8"
[18:38] <NeKRoiDe> language=es:es???
[18:38] <NeKRoiDe> or what?
[18:40] <ohsix> use the language support applet
[18:44] <wolter> NeKRoiDe, did you read this? http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/17528/change-the-user-interface-language-in-ubuntu/
[18:45] <thiebaude> !cairo
[18:46] <wolter> came up with 'change ubuntu language'
[18:46] <wolter> (in google)
[18:46] <thom_Z> Just updated to 11.4 from 10 and when I enter my laptop pw I get message that session cannot be found.  Am new at this and am currently connected to a network that requires web verification for access, that not being possible until I log in...
[18:47] <NeKRoiDe> i try but does not change the language
[18:47] <Dr_Willis> thom_Z:  try making a new user. or perhaps your .dmrc is incorrect now
[18:48] <WL> why can i not install kdelibs stuff?
[18:49] <Dr_Willis> what package name exactly WL ?
[18:49] <WL> (using the default repo for Belgium)
[18:49] <Gaming4JC> How would I go about installing gnome3?
[18:49] <WL> Dr_Willis: it's 3 packages: kdelibs, kdelibs-data, kdelibs4c2a
[18:49]  * Gaming4JC checks their webpage in the meantime
[18:49] <thom_Z> RE: session not found...  Can't add user since I cannot get logged on to laptop
[18:51] <wolter> NeKRoiDe, what happens?
[18:51] <thom_Z> I can get to recovery cosole but then what?
[18:52] <NeKRoiDe> I have problems with the language of the menu and windows
[18:53] <WL> Dr_Willis: any ideas?
[18:53] <Gaming4JC> ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3  ^_^
[18:54] <NeKRoiDe> and change the language to Spanish from language support ...
[18:54] <NeKRoiDe> also from the home screen
[18:54] <NeKRoiDe> and is still in English
[18:54] <wolter> NeKRoiDe, yes I know but what happens when you follow the guide in the link I sent you?
[18:54] <wolter> oh
[18:54] <wolter> NeKRoiDe, it shouldn't be necessary, but did you try logging out and in again?
[18:55] <NeKRoiDe> i try restart two time
[18:56] <NeKRoiDe> but try again...
[18:56] <Chr|s> anyone have ati drivers that they activated and works?
[18:56] <akavlie> Gaming4JC, heh, want to compare Gnome 3 to Unity?
[18:57] <Gaming4JC> akavlie: Going to try. lol
[18:57] <Chr|s> wish I could! can't get gnome 3 to work :(
[18:57] <wolter> NeKRoiDe, and there is no errors while changing the language from Language Support?
[18:58] <Gaming4JC> I hope they plan on a long life of Gnome 2 in the meanwhile o_o
[18:58] <NeKRoiDe> does not work
[18:58] <Chr|s> I would trust gnome 3 over Unity
[18:58] <NeKRoiDe> still in inglish
[18:58] <wolter> NeKRoiDe, no progress bar or anything appears when you click "Apply System Wide" ?
[18:59] <WL> unity is garbage imho
[18:59] <Gaming4JC> WL: you said it friend.
[18:59] <WL> i don't like that it's default now
[18:59] <Chr|s> It has potential
[18:59] <Chr|s> once it is fine tuned
[18:59] <Gaming4JC> It "might" be good for netbooks, but seriously, desktop PCs?
[18:59] <Gaming4JC> just doesn't even feel right
[18:59] <Trewas> I just tried gnome3 live-cd from mentioned in http://blog.crozat.net/2011/01/gnome-3-live-cd-usb-test-image.html, at least it looks much more finished... but both are so far from gnome2 so it is difficult to judge with a short use
[18:59] <Chr|s> I like the search function
[18:59] <Gaming4JC> if I wanted apps I'd have them on an android, you know...
[18:59] <WL> it's just like any other dock imho, nothing special
[19:00] <akavlie> Gaming4JC, yeah, I'd like to try it out too.
[19:00] <Gaming4JC> true, I can install Docks on Gnome 2
[19:00] <Gaming4JC> :P
[19:00] <NeKRoiDe> not
[19:00] <akavlie> Seems like Canonical is now going in a totally different direction from upstream Gnome.
[19:00] <NeKRoiDe> only ask password
[19:00] <Chr|s> there is always lxde and xfce!
[19:00] <WL> wonder who took that decision and for what reason
[19:00] <Gaming4JC> yep, and some shifty licensing if you read wikipedia
[19:01] <Gaming4JC> me not like canonical :(
[19:01] <WL> shifty licensing?
[19:01] <WL> link me please
[19:01] <NeKRoiDe> some things are in Spanish
[19:01] <wolter> oh
[19:01] <Gaming4JC> WL:  https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Unity_(desktop_environment)
[19:01] <wolter> now thats a problem... it seems the language was only partially applied
[19:02] <NeKRoiDe> but no menus and windows
[19:02] <Gaming4JC> "Despite this, Unity is subject to Canonical's contributor agreement, requiring contributors to assign copyright to Canonical, and potentially allowing Canonical to release it under a different license.[21]"
[19:02] <Gaming4JC> :O
[19:02] <Gaming4JC> hopefully they won't go bill gates on us anytime soon :P
[19:02] <WL> yeah that's no good lol
[19:02] <NeKRoiDe> maybe not the translations are complet???e
[19:03] <WL> and they put it as default too
[19:03] <wolter> NeKRoiDe, I don't think thats an issue with the spanish language
[19:03] <WL> NeKRoiDe: you need to manually install the translation packages i think, i once had the same prob and once i installed all packaged it was fixed
[19:03] <wolter> its very popular and lots of people use ubuntu in spanish
[19:03] <NeKRoiDe> only partially applies
[19:04] <WL> wolter: i think he actually would like everything in spanish
[19:04] <wolter> NeKRoiDe, maybe you'd have better help asking in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-es, as this doesn't seem to be very much related with your ubuntu being a beta release
[19:04] <Gaming4JC> WL: I'm sticking with Ultimate Edition  (ultimateedition.info) until it all gets straightened out. ;)
[19:04] <wolter> WL, yes I know, but I am saying that it would be very odd if spanish translations weren't complete as lots of people use ubuntu in spanish
[19:05] <Gaming4JC> dude there keeps things sane ... heh
[19:07] <WL> wolter: if you did not check that site today you should check the latest newspost, pretty sad
[19:08] <damien> is there a way of setting compiz/unity so that mouse scrolling on the "top panel" will switch between desktops?
[19:08] <wolter> great... now my touchpad is disabled...
[19:09] <NeKRoiDe> ask "ubuntu-es" but they told me they could not help me because my version is beta. come here with you.
[19:09] <NeKRoiDe> but thanks ... wait for stable version to fix
[19:09] <WL> wolter: sorry that was for Gaming4JC
[19:09] <wolter> np
[19:09] <WL> Gaming4JC: if you did not check that site today you should check the latest newspost, pretty sad
[19:09] <Gaming4JC> WL: Haven't been there in a week or, so let me see...
[19:10] <wolter> NeKRoiDe, sorry to send you there, its just that I don't know what is happening in your end
[19:10] <wolter> NeKRoiDe, do you know if anybody else is getting the same problem?
[19:10] <Gaming4JC> WL: wow... that is sad :(
[19:10] <kundan> can someone please gimme the sources.list for 11.04 beta please.. i deleted mine
[19:12] <damien> replace maverick with natty
[19:12] <WL> kundan: http://pastebin.com/C5dPLtkh
[19:12] <WL> kundan: chenge the servers to local ones
[19:12] <WL> (these are for Belgium)
[19:12] <WL> *change
[19:22] <WL> kundan: you're welcome by the way :-p
[19:25] <kundan> WL, thanks a lot
[19:25] <WL> kundan: :-p
[19:25] <crit3rion> How do I get ubuntu 11.04 to stop using the top panel for the "File Edit View..." menus?
[19:27] <Daekdroom> crit3rion, don't use unity.
[19:27] <crit3rion> I'm not
[19:27] <crit3rion> using "classic"
[19:28] <crit3rion> hmm... is classic still unity?
[19:28] <Gaming4JC> crit3rion: disable or sudo apt-get remove the "indicator-appmenu"
[19:28] <Gaming4JC> it's a pain itsn't it? :)
[19:28] <kundan> Hi, I am getting a dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.10.0-0ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[19:28] <kundan>   installing xserver-xorg-core would break existing software
[19:28] <kundan> how do I fix this??
[19:28] <Daekdroom> crit3rion, oh, then remove the gnome applet in the panel
[19:28] <crit3rion> gotcha... trying now...
[19:28] <Daekdroom> Right click on it, "unlock" it or something, and then remove.
[19:30] <crit3rion> that did the trick!  thanks!
[19:32] <trism> gordonjcp: still around? I figured out how to disable window shadows by creating a new theme, copy /usr/share/themes/Ambiance to some other name in ~/.themes, edit index.theme and change the name of the them, and metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml and change the name, and every <shadow> node to have 0.0 radius
[19:32] <trism> gordonjcp: then you can select the new, window shadow-less theme in the Appearance properties
[19:37] <kla> hello
[19:38] <kla> ever since i upgraded apt to 0.8.31.1ubuntu1 it's aptitude has been giving me this annoying behavior - it automatically sets all the packages i update to manual
[19:38] <trijntje> Hi all, will there be a xubuntu-release of natty or is xubuntu being replaced by lubuntu?
[19:39] <micahg> trijntje: xubuntu is not going anywhere, there will be a regular release
[19:39] <kla> ftr, it's not just ubuntu, the aptitude in debian sid does this too
[19:40] <alexs> what puts the application menus in the gnome panel?
[19:41] <Test__> hi
[19:43] <alexs> ive somehow managed to remove them from the main panel
[19:44] <Test__> You search Ubuntu 11.04 without the new unity? Then here: www.snowlinux.de/
[19:44] <rww> ugh, not this crap again
[19:45] <trijntje>  micahg, ok, cool. I've been trying to install xubuntu-desktop for a month now in natty, and it keeps complaining about unmet dependencies, so I thought maybe its no longer supported
[19:46] <alexs> what is with all this snowlinux spam?
[19:46] <micahg> trijntje: that would probably be a bug
[19:46] <micahg> trijntje: do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[19:46] <rww> alexs: Someone apparently thinks that #ubuntu+1 is a nexus of anti-Unity thought. No idea how they could think that :)
[19:46] <WL> rww: just curious: are you an employee for canonical?
[19:46] <rww> WL: no
[19:47] <alexs> gah
[19:47] <trijntje> micahg, yes
[19:47]  * alexs wonders where his global menus have gone
[19:47] <alexs> annoying
[19:47] <WL> rww: will i get banned if i mention archlinux, for example, or gentoo ?
[19:47] <alexs> they are part of the indicator panel applet right?
[19:47] <rww> WL: the Ubuntu IRC channels are community-governed and maintained; most of our operators aren't Canonical staff
[19:47] <WL> rww: ah nice :_)
[19:47] <WL> :-)
[19:47] <WL> ah "most" :) i misread
[19:48] <micahg> trijntje: Bug 737324
[19:48] <rww> WL: There's a difference between "I tried Gentoo and it works fine" and coming into here repeatedly saying "Check out SnowLinux http://someurl" then quitting :)
[19:48] <rww> WL: Those that are Canonical staff aren't paid to be ops, they're paid to do other Canonical things :)
[19:48] <WL> rww: yeah true
[19:49] <trijntje> micahg, Thanks for the link.
[19:49] <trijntje> I hope they can fix it. I'm a translator so I need to run *all* versions of ubuntu somewhere to check out menu's etc
[19:50] <micahg> trijntje: there's always virtualbox
[19:50] <micahg> trijntje: testdrive might be good for you
[19:50] <WL> alexs: you mean the ubuntu icon only, instead of also places, etc?
[19:50] <Gaming4JC> hmm snow linux, sounds interesting. But there's already linux mint or UE that does a fine job
[19:51] <thiebaude> now my firefox menu is missing from the very top panel
[19:51] <alexs> WL: no i mean the global menus
[19:51] <alexs> like the file, edit etc menus
[19:51] <alexs> that live in the panel instead of each apps window
[19:51] <WL> alexs: i jsut use gnome instead of unity, then they show up in the top gnome-panel
[19:51] <WL> by default
[19:52] <WL> (kindof like OSX)
[19:52] <WL> dunno how to get them in unity
[19:53] <alexs> indicator-applet-appmenu
[19:53] <alexs> it's running but i get no menus
[19:53] <alexs> WL: yeah thats what i mean
[19:53] <alexs> mine seems to be borked :-/
[19:53] <alexs> im using xmonad :)
[19:53] <alexs> not unity
[19:53] <trijntje> micahg, yeah, ill just have to install xubuntu to a separate virtual machine to check it out
[19:53] <alexs> hmm
[19:53] <alexs> *logs in again*
[19:54] <alexs> bah
[19:58] <Gaming4JC> Mmmk, Gnome 3 just broke my virtual machine :P
[19:59] <Gaming4JC> I'd advise no one to update for fear of the same
[19:59] <Gaming4JC> lol
[19:59] <alexs> bug reports. learn to do them.
[20:00] <Gaming4JC> alexs: Ubuntu wouldn't care about the bug reports, besides the fact my "virtual machine" doesn't have graphic acceleration enabled.
[20:00] <Gaming4JC> Gnome 3 might want to know, perhaps...
[20:01] <alexs> Gaming4JC: use 2d mode with no effects enabled?
[20:01] <alexs> great, with ubuntu classic, appmenu doesnt run, and my apps host their own menus
[20:01] <Gaming4JC> gnome3-fail-safe you mean, it's pretty ugly...
[20:02] <alexs> so whats so special about gnome-classic :-/
[20:06] <ceed^> I have one problem with Unity. After a while the launcher stays open, doesn't autohide, and it's always on top. Is this some key combo I'm accidentally hitting, or is it a bug? I have to log out and in again to get back to normal behavior.
[20:09] <robin0800> ceed^, you can use killall unity-launcher
[20:09] <Dart> is it possible to make launchers for key combos? I want to make one for ALT+TAB so that I can switch to woindows fast
[20:10] <ohsix> if you use compiz / unity you can disable the window switcher then use the key binding one to run whatever you want
[20:10] <ohsix> but theres probably another compiz plugin that does exactly what you want
[20:11] <Dart> oh which plugin
[20:13] <ohsix> who knows, look in ccsm
[20:13] <ohsix> the static window switcher normally gets alt+tab though
[20:14] <Dart> is there a way to enter commands for key combos???
[20:16] <trism> Dart: System Settings/Keyboard Shortcuts, click add, create a new one, find it at the end and set a key combination
[20:16] <alexs> oh well problem solved
[20:17] <alexs> aptitude remove appmenu...
[20:17] <nemo> Anyone here using fglrx + natty?
[20:17] <Dart> trism, no that I know, but I want to create a launcher on gnome panel that triggers ALT+TAB effect when clicked
[20:17] <Dart> nemo, me
[20:18] <nemo> Dart: which version is it?
[20:18] <trism> Dart: oh, you want a command that sends a key combination?
[20:18] <Dart> trism, yep exactly
[20:18] <trism> Dart: xdotool
[20:18] <trism> Dart: install that, then send: xdotool key alt+tab
[20:18] <nemo> xdotool is teh awesome
[20:18] <nemo> trism: I used it to script the boring parts of this MMORPG I played w/ my little brother
[20:18] <Dart> trism, wow that would be awesome let me try that
[20:19] <Dart> nemo, wait plz
[20:19] <nemo> trism: I also use it to play taunting little songs for the Piano attack in hedgewars where the keys F1-F10 become notes :)
[20:19] <trism> nemo: yes, it is very useful
[20:19] <nemo> I did learn that many things require both keydown and keyup
[20:19] <nemo> not just key
[20:19] <Dart> haha
[20:20] <nemo> like keydown X;keyup X
[20:20] <nemo> somtimes w/ like a sleep 0.1
[20:21] <nemo> Dart: you can get version from /var/log/Xorg.0.log, dmesg or package name
[20:22] <nemo> unfortunately not from glxinfo 'cause ATI sucks
[20:22] <Dart> trism, uhm its not working :(
[20:22] <trism> Dart: hmm, actually it needs to be alt+Tab
[20:22] <nemo> (as the firefox guys are learning in their attempt to build up linux driver blacklist)
[20:22] <nemo> Dart: reason I ask is I discovered a crasher in shader compilation in the version of fglrx that is default for maverick
[20:22] <Dart> trism, still not working
[20:23] <nemo> so I upgraded my ATI machine (which was on maverick) to the latest release from ATI from a couple of days ago
[20:23] <nemo> and, I'm wondering if this shader crash would happen to others, who are on natty
[20:23] <Dart> nemo, yeh i am using the latest fglrx 840 something released last week
[20:23] <nemo> or if that version is new enough
[20:24] <nemo> Dart: I am on 8.83.6
[20:24] <trism> Dart: odd, it works here (at least testing it in the terminal)
[20:24] <nemo> $ grep "ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:24] <nemo> [  1277.454] (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier:8.83.6
[20:24] <nemo> Dart: can you run that?
[20:24] <nemo> hmmm
[20:24] <nemo> actually...
[20:25] <Dart> 8.84.60
[20:25] <nemo> sweet
[20:25] <nemo> Dart: and that's included in Natty?
[20:25] <nemo> (you didn't use ATI's site?)
[20:26] <Dart> yeh it is very new preview build of catalyst 11.4 specially released for ubuntu last week
[20:26] <nemo> great. so natty users will not hit the crasher.
[20:26] <nemo> thanks.
[20:26] <nemo> Dart: BTW, I was happy to see that this version of fglrx *finally* implements gaussian blur
[20:27] <nemo> Dart: so my darkly translucent terminal windows can have blurred lines behind 'em so text stays readable
[20:27] <Dart> oh, there is also this vsync that prevents tearing but i turn it off for urban terror
[20:27] <nemo> vsync is definitely a good idea
[20:27] <nemo> I run all my games like that on my nvidia machine
[20:27] <nemo>  __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1 ./hedgewars
[20:27] <alexs> why does the indicator panel go all weird and interlaced when i drag it around?
[20:28] <alexs> and stops updating properly
[20:28] <nemo> also minecraft
[20:28] <Dart> trism, wow xdotool documentation is crazy long
[20:28] <nemo> Dart: why would you turn off vsync?
[20:28] <nemo> it should improve rendering *and* perf
[20:28] <nemo> unless ATI screwed it up
[20:28] <trism> Dart: it does many things
[20:29] <alexs> nemo: sometimes.
[20:29] <Dart> vsync syncs with monitor refresh rate so it limits fps to 60. disable it gives max fps of 125
[20:29] <nemo> right
[20:29] <nemo> Dart: but your eye should not perceive over 60 anyway
[20:29] <nemo> and not syncing to monitor should not improve appearance
[20:29] <alexs> nemo: there are lots of broken layers in the linux graphic stack :)
[20:29] <Dart> nemo, yep but it makes a difference in urban terror :D
[20:29] <alexs> no it gives you tearing
[20:29] <nemo> if you could perceive the vblank, you'd see flickering on a blank screen
[20:30] <nemo> Dart: higher FPS does not mean higher quality
[20:30] <nemo> Firefox for example limits its rendering FPS on web apps to 60
[20:30] <Dart> nemo, i know that but really try it...there is a difference
[20:30]  * nemo shrugs.
[20:30] <nemo> 'k.  I don't use my ATI machine for gaming
[20:30] <Dart> xD
[20:30] <nemo> I know that vsync on my nvidia machine really helps in hedgewars
[20:31] <nemo> eliminates tearing and makes game generally smoother
[20:31] <Dart> this version of fglrx allows you to specify ver app vsync value though i dont know how to do that
[20:31] <Dart> per*
[20:33] <nemo> Dart: that's what that env var does in nvidia
[20:33] <nemo> maybe fglrx has a similar env var
[20:33] <Dart> Dart, i am noob xD
[20:33] <Dart> whats env var
[20:33] <warlock_> hey guys, trying the natty interface, can't find any way to monitor cpu/net/disk like the gnome-panel way... is there supposed to be any docklets that do this ?
[20:34] <rww> Dart: environment variable, like the aforementioned __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK
[20:34] <bjsnider> warlock_, indicator-sysmonitor is the closest
[20:34] <Dart> rww, okie dokie
[20:36] <warlock_> rww: what repo is that in? has it got a special name ? can't find it with aptitude.
[20:38] <warlock_> rww: nm, found it
[20:39] <Dart> trism, strange doing xdotool key Alt_L+Tab works but only when selecting 'open' after right clicking on launcher.
[20:43] <alexs> is there any way to re-order the indicators?
[20:46] <trism> Dart: yeah, it works just clicking on it for me, but only after the icon stops flashing (in the unity launcher), which takes about 5 seconds
[20:54] <Chr|s> ooo look, more updates today!
[20:57] <warlock_> rww: any other cool indicators not yet in official repo ?
[20:57] <martin_> warlock_: hamster indicator http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=502 for time tracking
[20:58] <cdbs> Hey folks, can anyone help me with this:
[20:59] <cdbs> Whenever I try starting up the Unity session I get an error:
[20:59] <cdbs> No valid session found
[20:59] <cdbs> I am currently on Classic Desktop
[20:59] <cdbs> I know I have messed my system up somehow, by trying installing the gnome3 ppa
[20:59] <cdbs> but does anyone know where the info for the sessions listed in GDM is located?
[21:01] <cdbs> where means in which package
[21:17] <skullboy> ok i hate the changes made to the gui in ubuntu 11.04 how do i make it look the same as ubuntu 10.10
[21:19] <charlie-tca> change to classic session at login, pick your username, select classic-session at the bottom, then enter the password.
[21:20] <skullboy> can someone tell me how to make the ubuntu 11.04 gui look like 10.10 the chan is not supporting me
[21:57] <gyger> does anyone have guidance for getting the launcher to show on unity-2d? I have the package unity-2d-launcher (as well as the other unity-2d packages) installed but there is no launcher down the left side of my screen. Please help.
[22:00] <thiebaude> anyone know the terminal command to install nvidia drivers?
[22:03] <bjsnider> thiebaude, sudo jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia-current
[22:03] <thiebaude> thanks, im in irssi now, i'll try that then i think i just stick with waht i have
[22:04] <thiebaude> xit
[22:04] <thiebaude> opps
[22:06] <gyger> can someone help me with my unity 2d issue?
[22:07] <thiebaud1> i tried that, but it says unknown driver
[22:09] <bjsnider> thiebaude, sudo jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[22:10] <thiebaud1> ok ,cool
[22:11] <thiebaud1> q
[22:11] <slyrus_> yay. after various grub machinations and waving enough dead chickens, I finally managed to get this thing to boot from the new drive (without having the old one around anymore)
[22:16] <thiebaude> bjsnider, it worked, thanks again :)
[22:16] <thiebaude> im back at my desktop
[22:23] <Malina> ah ok
[22:24] <Malina> install ofr me was continouls broken
[22:24] <Malina> ati card,
[22:24] <Malina> ubtil I skipped dowbnloadable files, then I didn't get a broken package
[22:25] <Malina> but ah well, a lil bit of hacking and booting the iso from disk got it all kinda working in the end, but unfortunately IM leaving ubuntu after 2 yrs with this unity thing
[22:26] <Malina> is there a way to lock down gnome 2 say or so, so that any upgrades/dist upgrade, doesn't install unity/G3 or so?
[22:36] <Daekdroom> Malina, using Unity is entirely optional, and natty doesn't ship GNOME 3
[22:39] <incorrect> so i plugged my encrypted usb stick in and it asked me for the passphrase
[22:39] <incorrect> but didn't leave me able to find the drive
[22:40] <Malina> ye
[22:40] <Malina> so in my beta no then ith unity
[22:40] <Malina> hwo do I get rid of it?>
[22:40] <Malina> and turn on normal gnome ?
[22:40] <incorrect> log out
[22:41] <incorrect> select normal gnome
[22:41] <Daekdroom> Malina, log out, select "Ubuntu Classic" in the bottom bar.
[22:41] <incorrect> unity is better than gnome imho, just needs fixing
[22:41]  * thiebaude compiz almost using 200mb
[22:42] <Malina> when I liogged out, I dont see session chooser you see
[22:44] <incorrect> oh i think the ath9k wifi just got fixed
[22:44] <incorrect> happiness
[22:47] <incorrect> oh yes that looks to be fixed
[22:48] <incorrect> oh maybe not
[22:55] <Sprechkaese> i want to start unity to get used to it, but since i only have metacity (and that as a my standard window manager) I do not know exactly how to start it. I installed "unity" and "compiz" with all dependencies, but where can I replace my window manager?
[22:59] <Malina> Daekdroom, thank you!!
[22:59] <Malina> I will try it (am on lubuntu livecd for now)
[22:59] <Malina> which resides on my ntfs winpe partition at end of disk and launched form there :P
[23:02] <penguin42> Sprechkaese: The easiest way is after selecting your user, during login you should get an option to select either 'Ubuntu' or classic, if you select Ubuntu you should get unity if you have everything
[23:04] <gordonjcp> trism: I'll try that, thanks
[23:07] <alexs> urgh deja dup is broken too
[23:07] <alexs> https://bugs.launchpad.net/deja-dup/+bug/729196
[23:16] <BUGabundo> guud evening folks! sofa time
[23:18] <habanany> i'm loving it
[23:24] <Sprechkaese> how can I find out if my integrated bluetooth device is supported? i can find nothing at lsusb and lspci. bluetooth worked before upgrading to 11.04.
[23:25] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/648180/comments/6
[23:25] <nemo> heh same solution I came up with
[23:25] <nemo> pretend unity is not there
[23:26] <gordonjcp> I'm keen to try trism's ideas for getting rid of the nauseating drop-shadow
[23:26] <gordonjcp> that sounds like a fairly win solution
[23:29] <GaryD> Hey all. Is there a way to upgrade from 10.10 without upgrading xorg and nvidia? I can't use 11.04 with nvidia 173 on my computer.
[23:30] <nemo> gordonjcp: get rid of unity window decorator
[23:30] <nemo> gordonjcp: use gtk window decorator instead
[23:30] <nemo> no more nauseating dropshadow
[23:30] <gordonjcp> nemo: not sure how to go about that
[23:30] <nemo> gordonjcp: irritatingly, you can't do that from ccsm - the ccsm setting to pick decorator is simply ignored
[23:30] <nemo> gordonjcp: have to do it in gconf
[23:31] <Daekdroom> nemo, doesn't that imply not being able to use unity at all?
[23:31] <gordonjcp> nemo: I noticed that when I turned off window decorators in ccsm Unity had a total shitfit
[23:31] <nemo> Daekdroom: right.
[23:31] <nemo> Daekdroom: problem was unity was contaminating gnome classic too
[23:31] <nemo> Daekdroom: so not only was it a completely unusable and slow and crashy POS on its own
[23:32] <nemo> but it also was making the more stable gnome slow.
[23:32] <nemo> anyway, I replaced /apps/compiz-1/plugins/decor/screen0/options/command
[23:32] <nemo> and
[23:32] <nemo>  /apps/compizconfig-1/profiles/unity/plugins/decor/screen0/options/command
[23:33] <nemo> with /usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator --replace
[23:33] <nemo> aaand. no more problems
[23:33] <nemo> 2nd one might not have been necessary - the whole "unity" thing is suggestive.  oh well, I can reset it if it indeed screws up unity
[23:33] <nemo> not that I plan to ever use it any time soon. once burned...
[23:34] <marcster> anyone else having problems with sources? Something created a "--natty.list" in my sources.list.d directory and it causes 404 errors every time I try to update
[23:34] <nemo> marcster: so erase it?
[23:35] <nemo> gordonjcp: if for some reason you want to still use unity though, looks like unity-window-decorator takes a few options
[23:36] <nemo> gordonjcp: unity-window-decorator --help
[23:36] <nemo> perhaps one of those can be set in your gconf to tame things
[23:36] <gordonjcp> nemo: I need to construct /boot/grub/menu.lst before I can play
[23:37] <nemo> I searched for bugs related to why this stuff in ccsm doesn't work. apparently, and this predates unity, they decided stuff like shadow should be theme dependent (!)
[23:37] <nemo> of course themes have no interface for configuring this
[23:37] <nemo> so it basically amounts to making it unremovable
[23:37] <gordonjcp> since Grub 2 obliterated my boot loader without asking
[23:37] <nemo> I don't know if unity carries it a step further and completely makes it undisableable, or if simply switching themes would fix things, assuming one could be found that had this setting
[23:38] <gordonjcp> nemo: I get the impression that Ubuntu is being driven by l33t skr1pt k1dd13zzz
[23:38] <nemo> I think they were well intentioned
[23:38] <nemo> wanted to be innovative, radical, reinvent the desktop etc
[23:38] <marcster> nemo: easy enough to do... just wondering if there's a good way to clean / fix my sources.
[23:38] <nemo> which I'm fine with. it is just the whole making it default and not easy to disable
[23:38] <gordonjcp> hence the tiny fonts and dark-grey-on-dark-grey text
[23:39] <nemo> it should have been optional, and a nice screen on users being inflicted with it offering a simple set of instructions or a button to switch back
[23:39] <gordonjcp> don't get me wrong, Unity looks like it has a lot of potential
[23:39] <nemo> and later, if they get the same level of stability and support as gnome, perhaps then...
[23:39] <gordonjcp> and I guess we're seeing it way, way before release
[23:40] <nemo> indeed
[23:40] <gordonjcp> but the theme sucks, and the overall usability is way poor
[23:40] <nemo> despite that release being (apparently) a few weeks away
[23:40] <nemo> yep
[23:40] <nemo> features/customisation/usability/stability
[23:40] <nemo> all irritating
[23:40] <gordonjcp> I'm guessing that the really hard-to-read colour choices will be sorted out in before release
[23:40] <gordonjcp> artwork is always the last thing to get put in
[23:41] <nemo> eh. basic UI annoys me too, and I was trying hard to get used to it
[23:41] <gordonjcp> the lack of a task bar annoys me
[23:41] <gordonjcp> I know I keep harping on about it
[23:41] <nemo> windows would pop up half off-screen
[23:41] <nemo> had to use alt + mouse to move 'em
[23:41] <gordonjcp> but the strip down the side with the little squares confuses the hell out of me
[23:41] <GaryD> Hey all. Is there a way to upgrade from 10.10 without upgrading xorg and nvidia? I can't use 11.04 with nvidia 173 on my computer.
[23:41] <nemo> gordonjcp: they are trying for the OSX look
[23:41] <gordonjcp> nemo: I can't use OSX
[23:41] <nemo> gordonjcp: I think they've always admired OSX
[23:41] <nemo> the bar on the left is the OSX bar.
[23:42] <nemo> the titlebar integrated at top is an OSX thing
[23:42] <gordonjcp> oh okay
[23:42] <gordonjcp> nemo: the menu bar at the top is a Mac OS thing from the very first versions
[23:42] <nemo> well. OSX keeps the titlebar, but you know, the menubar
[23:42] <nemo> right
[23:42] <nemo> sorry. analogising
[23:42] <nemo> I think they were trying to go one step further on that though
[23:43] <gordonjcp> so the side bar with the squares is the same thing as the Mac OSX bar at the bottom with the squares?
[23:43] <nemo> well. I have one sitting right next to me right now :)
[23:43] <nemo> let's see
[23:43] <nemo> has common applications, which can be pinned
[23:43] <nemo> has active applications, and the little flip-out thing for 'em
[23:43] <nemo> as functions like trash bar, or downloaded files
[23:43] <gordonjcp> I don't really know what those are
[23:43] <nemo> seems pretty similar to me
[23:43] <gordonjcp> there's no task bar with the window name
[23:43] <gordonjcp> you can mouse over the squares and see what it's supposed to be
[23:44] <nemo> right?
[23:44] <marcster> it has a far smarter auto-hide than mac's dock though
[23:44] <nemo> gordonjcp: that's about how the mac one works
[23:44] <gordonjcp> nemo: right, but I don't know what the squares are
[23:44] <nemo> I wonder what the mac one does when it runs out of room
[23:44] <gordonjcp> well, if I mouse over them the name pops up
[23:45] <nemo> since that's much more easy to do w/ vertical, esp on a notebook screen
[23:45] <marcster> nemo: I think the mac one just keeps scaling down the icons so they all fit
[23:46] <nemo> mm
[23:46] <nemo> I guess that makes sense
[23:46] <nemo> alright, I'd have to add like another 20 apps on here then before it would get unviewable
[23:46] <gordonjcp> I can't even tell what the icons are though
[23:46] <gordonjcp> so it loses a lot of usability compared to a normal taskbar
[23:46] <nemo> gordonjcp: it doesn't have the name on hover? like under OSX?
[23:46] <nemo> I can't remember. I ditched unity like a month ago
[23:47] <gordonjcp> nemo: it does, but that means I have to hover over each icon for a few seconds until the name pops up
[23:47] <gordonjcp> or, just click and hope I guessed right
[23:47] <nemo> gordonjcp: ok. that's the same thing OSX users do :)
[23:47] <nemo> gordonjcp: apparently they get used to it. apparently
[23:47] <gordonjcp> nemo: tbh I suspect it's just me
[23:47] <gordonjcp> I can't tell the difference between icons
[23:47] <nemo> huh.
[23:47] <gordonjcp> I can tell they're supposed to be differen
[23:47] <gordonjcp> *different
[23:48] <nemo> gordonjcp: is the theme?
[23:48] <nemo> or maybe you have a really bad resolution?
[23:48] <gordonjcp> nemo: my brain does ;-)
[23:48] <gordonjcp> I can tell you what colour it is and roughly what shape it is but not what it is
[23:48] <gordonjcp> it's a dyslexia thing
[23:48] <gordonjcp> like, I can pick out the Firefox icon because it's orange
[23:48] <nemo> ah. interesting
[23:49] <gordonjcp> stick another orange icon beside it and I'm fucked, instantly
[23:49] <nemo> gordonjcp: so if it was just the printed name, you'd be ok?
[23:49] <gordonjcp> yup
[23:49] <nemo> gordonjcp: I suppose you tend to enable "show names and icons" like in firefox :)
[23:49] <gordonjcp> clicking on things in a menu of icons, or icon view window is a dead loss
[23:49] <gordonjcp> text menus are fine
[23:49] <nemo> or even just "show text"
[23:49] <gordonjcp> if I really work at it I can get by with just icons
[23:50] <nemo> no, I mean, if you choose "customise" in firefox - did you choose icons, text and icons, or text?
[23:50] <amx109> i upgraded 10.10 to 11.04 and now i have very weird screen redraw problems. the desktop isnt drawing properly and clicking my mouse on the screen results in weird behaviour, like sections of it being blacked out. can anyone help?
[23:50] <gordonjcp> but it's too much effort to use an iOS phone, for example
[23:50] <PatrickC_Ubuntu> how do i install vbox on 11.04?
[23:50] <nemo> amx109: yeah, that sounds familiar
[23:50] <nemo> amx109: my wimpy intel graphics card on one computer (ubuntu) and my nvidia 120m under windows xP (another computer) have that issue when too much is demanded of them
[23:50] <gordonjcp> right, nn all
[23:51] <nemo> amx109: does it happen if you switch to gnome classic and pick "no desktop effects" ?
[23:51] <nemo> or minimal effects?
[23:52] <amx109> nemo, not tried that yet. hadnt thought of it. just so you know, i have an ATI card
[23:53] <nemo> amx109: using fglrx?
[23:53] <amx109> nemo, i /think/ so. i always forget what ive enabled/installed..
[23:53] <pooltable> hi can this be run in a V BOX ?
[23:54] <pooltable> where to download if so?
[23:54] <PatrickC_Ubuntu> ^^ same question
[23:54] <nemo> amx109: I don't know where this is in unity, but can you launch jockey-gtk ?
[23:54] <amx109> nemo, ill try a blind alt+f2..
[23:55] <amx109> nemo, ahar, excellent! i get a half rendered graphics card hardware driver dialog..
[23:55] <nemo> hehe
[23:56] <nemo> amx109: well, you can always try the gnome classic + metacity first
[23:56] <nemo> before trying to launch jockey
[23:56] <nemo> perhaps you'll get more readable of menus
[23:56] <amx109> well, movin the window revealed hte 'remove' button - i might be on to something
[23:56] <nemo> oh
[23:56] <nemo> huh. so it is using fglrx already...
[23:57] <amx109> yes. i probably shouldnt have removed it then..
[23:57]  * nemo shrugs
[23:57] <nemo> well. try plain old non-composited metacity
[23:57] <nemo> I bet it is better behaved
[23:58] <amx109> nemo, logged in/out - now my screen looks like lined wallpaper
[23:58] <amx109> :D
[23:58] <nemo> :)
[23:59] <amx109> and a alt+ctrl+f1 reveals lots of snow. yay for gfx driver breakage
[23:59] <nemo> amx109: gnome classic!