[07:09] <Duhza> hello
[07:09] <zkriesse> Hi
[07:09] <zkriesse> HELLO Duhza !
[07:09] <Duhza> when i try to install ubuntu desktop on my mac osk it just says debian
[07:09] <Duhza> 4.
[07:09] <zkriesse> Ok
[07:10] <zkriesse> Care to elaborate a bit?
[07:10] <Duhza> well earler i tried to install server but i just gave me a black screen
[07:10] <Duhza> so i quit that
[07:10] <Duhza> and tried to install ubuntu desktop
[07:11] <zkriesse> Ok
[07:11] <zkriesse> With a Ubuntu Desktop Version CD i'm assuming?
[07:11] <Duhza> yes
[07:11] <zkriesse> Ok
[07:12] <zkriesse> Did it give you a cd boot menu?
[07:12] <Duhza> no
[07:12] <Duhza> well
[07:12] <zkriesse> Where you could choose to try the cd or install etc
[07:12] <Duhza> server did
[07:12] <Duhza> and i did install server then it went to a black screen with writeing on top
[07:12] <Duhza> then to a black screen
[07:13] <zkriesse> Well server is all CLI at first :P
[07:13] <Duhza> oh
[07:13] <Duhza> so what should i do
[07:13] <zkriesse> That's the server version for ya
[07:13] <zkriesse> It's a complete CLI interface
[07:13] <Duhza> i understand
[07:13] <zkriesse> But you can install the Ubuntu desktop environment on top of that if you so choose
[07:13] <bioterror> !cli | Duhza
[07:13] <ubot2> Duhza: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal or type in it: man intro
[07:14] <Duhza> it doesnt work
[07:16] <Duhza> ok i got the terminal thing
[07:16] <Duhza> what now
[07:16] <zkriesse> well sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop if you want the full on desktop environment
[07:17] <zkriesse> or sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[07:17] <Duhza> do i need to be connected to the interwebs
[07:17] <zkriesse> Internet? I believe so for that yes
[07:17] <Duhza> how
[07:17] <Duhza> do i do that
[07:17] <zkriesse> Uhm, plug in an ethernet cable?
[07:17] <Duhza> can i do wifi
[07:18] <zkriesse> I'd assume
[07:18] <zkriesse> But I don't know how to check if wifi is working in the server edition
[07:18] <Duhza> i got alot of errors
[07:18] <zkriesse> !wifi
[07:19] <ubot2> Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:20] <Duhza> i got an error that starts with kernel panic
[07:20] <zkriesse> hmmm
[07:21] <malvin> Hai everyone: I've got a mousepad issue on my Acer Aspire A110. With the livecd of the netbook edition everything worked, but after installation my left mouse button and double tap didn't work. After updating my entire mouse stopped working. I've tried installing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, but it was up-to-date. I also tried booting to an older kernel, but that didn't work either. Does anybody know what else I can try?
[07:21] <zkriesse> !mousepad
[07:21] <ubot2> Factoid 'mousepad' not found
[07:22] <zkriesse> Argh, "smacks ubot2 "
[07:22] <zkriesse> !touchpad
[07:22] <Duhza> zkriesse
[07:22] <ubot2> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[07:22] <Duhza> i need help
[07:22] <Duhza> what should i dpo
[07:22] <Duhza> do
[07:22] <zkriesse> Duhza: I know....
[07:22] <Duhza> shoudl i restart the system
[07:23] <zkriesse> Please have patience....there's you, now malvin whilst I'm updating 17 databases for customers which must be done before 5 am
[07:23] <Duhza> oh its 2 30 here an i have school tmrrw
[07:23] <zkriesse> :)
[07:23] <Duhza> :(
[07:23] <Duhza> i am fucked
[07:23] <Duhza> sorry for my language
[07:24] <Duhza> is it bad if i shut down my mac and restart
[07:24] <zkriesse> Uhm, a hard shut down is never suggested but sometimes that's all ya can do :P
[07:25] <Duhza> k i will do
[07:25] <malvin> ok
[07:25] <malvin> zkriesse:
[07:25] <zkriesse> malvin: Yes/
[07:25] <malvin> zkriesse: ok can you tell me what the time is there
[07:26] <zkriesse> for me it's 1:30 am why?
[07:26] <malvin> because im totaly in a from roman ia
[07:26] <malvin> so here is 9:30 am
[07:26] <zkriesse> haha
[07:26] <zkriesse> Nice
[07:27] <malvin> so i would know how much i have to wait
[07:27] <Duhza> now it says isolinux 4.01 debian
[07:27] <zkriesse> malvin: I have no idea
[07:27] <zkriesse> !touchpad | malvin
[07:27] <ubot2> malvin: For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[07:28] <zkriesse> If it takes some time please don't get upset...we are all volunteers here...
[07:29] <Duhza> what does efi boot mean
[07:29] <zkriesse> Uhm, lemme check
[07:30] <zkriesse> !efi
[07:30] <ubot2> Factoid 'efi' not found
[07:30] <zkriesse> Hmmm
[07:30] <Duhza> i still get the error when i try again
[07:30] <Duhza> is tehre a way to uninstall
[07:31] <zkriesse> Yeah it's called a reformat
[07:31] <zkriesse> Or you can install over i
[07:31] <zkriesse> "it
[07:31] <zkriesse> But you're using a Mac
[07:31] <zkriesse> I know nothing about  mac's
[07:34] <bioterror> install OS X ;)
[07:35] <Duhza> ya i am reinstalling
[07:36] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook did you read this first?
[07:39] <Duhza> i have a macmini
[07:40] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mac_mini
[07:45] <halpbatman> hey guys i have a question.
[07:45] <halpbatman> I am running live linux from usb
[07:45] <halpbatman> trying to access my hdd
[07:45] <halpbatman> but it gives me i don't have the permission
[07:45] <halpbatman> to access it
[07:46] <bioterror> sudo mount /dev/sdXX /mnt/
[07:46] <halpbatman> how do i go about authenticating myself
[07:46] <halpbatman> bioterror, it's mounted.
[07:46] <bioterror> !mount
[07:46] <ubot2> mount is used to attach devices to directories. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[07:46] <halpbatman> bioterror, i see the folders but i can't open some of the folders
[07:46] <bioterror> use the sudo
[07:47] <halpbatman> says can't find
[07:47] <halpbatman> bioterror, the drive is mounted.. its certain folders that I can't access
[07:48] <bioterror> open your filemanager with root priviledges
[07:50] <halpbatman> how do i do that?
[07:50] <bioterror> gksudo yourfilemanager
[07:50] <UndiFineD> ALT+F2 gksu nautilus
[07:51] <bioterror> gksudo
[07:51] <UndiFineD> what is the diff ?
[07:51] <bioterror> another is su and another is sudo
[07:51] <halpbatman> bioterror, sweet thank you
[07:52] <halpbatman> bioterror, you are the best
[07:52] <bioterror> UndiFineD, I assume you know the difference between su and sudo
[07:52] <malvin> bioterror: good morning ...
[07:52] <UndiFineD> not really
[07:52] <malvin> can you help me with my touchpad
[07:53] <bioterror> yo use su to be a come super user, you use sudo to done super user commands
[07:53] <bioterror> to do
[07:54] <malvin> it is not working at all
[07:57] <UndiFineD> thanks bioterror
[07:57] <UndiFineD> maybe it is because I have been awake for so long
[07:58] <UndiFineD> a few more minutes and then I go take a nap
[07:59] <halpbatman> bioterror, another question.. i'm on my laptop using dvi out to connect to a monitor
[07:59] <halpbatman> bioterror, and if i'm not using mirror monitor
[07:59] <halpbatman> bioterror, one of the displays won't work...
[07:59] <halpbatman> bioterror, anyway i can use both and have them show different images?
[08:04] <halpbatman> bioterror, any ideas?
[08:06] <UndiFineD> sometimes you can toggle mirror / monitor extention by pressing a key combi
[08:07] <UndiFineD> fn+f5 i think
[08:07] <UndiFineD> it should have a monitor on the function key
[09:29] <malvin> bioterror: i have a question
[09:31] <malvin> i just reinstaled linux on my netbook the ubuntu 10.04 and i stil have the touchpad ishues... can you help me..? im really a rooky.. i berly know how to use terminal and so on.... im one day old in linux and i cant fix these problem..
[09:31] <bioterror> why not use 10.10?
[09:31] <malvin> because i hade the same problem
[09:32] <malvin> and some one from the ubuntu forum said that for a beginer i should go for the 10.04 version because im a rooky
[09:32] <bioterror> no difference between 10.04 and 10.10
[09:33] <bioterror> I would recommend 10.10 as it has newer stuff
[09:33] <malvin> i dont know
[09:33] <bioterror> and hence, I would even recommend 11.04 :D
[09:33] <malvin> i just hade it
[09:33] <malvin> would my touch pad work..?
[09:33] <bioterror> but you have tested both: 10.10 and 10.04?
[09:34] <malvin> yea
[09:34] <malvin> and i have the same problem\
[09:34] <malvin> my touch pad workien in live mode
[09:34] <malvin> but one instaled it stoped working
[09:34] <malvin> nothing
[09:35] <bioterror> well, I cant figure out why you cant get your touchpad to work
[09:35] <malvin> is there a way to conect to my netbook
[09:35] <malvin> to see what can be up with it..?
[09:35] <bioterror> well
[09:36] <malvin> some ting like remote desktop
[09:36] <bioterror> I'm at work and I need to run again, been a damn busy monday
[09:36] <malvin> or baa
[09:36] <bioterror> that's not how we work
[09:36] <bioterror> right evilduanedesign
[09:36] <malvin> ok
[09:37] <bioterror> and if it works on livecd
[09:37] <bioterror> I cant figure out why it wont work when you boot from hdd
[09:37] <MrChrisDruif> Me neither
[09:40] <malvin> actualy in booting from a usb
[09:41] <malvin> because the hard drive is broken
[09:41] <malvin> but the usb is a hightspeed one
[09:42] <bioterror> it doesnt matter where you're booting
[09:43] <bioterror> as I have a Lubuntu 10.10 booting from USB next to me
[09:43] <bioterror> on HP nc8430 and touchpad works flawlessly ;)
[09:45] <malvin> i see
[09:53] <malvin> bioterror: now im monting the iso of the 11.04 on the usb and then i will instal it
[09:53] <malvin> hope it will work
[09:53] <bioterror> :)
[09:53] <bioterror> well
[09:53] <bioterror> worth of try
[09:53] <malvin> if these doesent work what can i still try..?
[09:54] <malvin> or who can help me...?
[09:54] <bioterror> I dunno
[09:55] <bioterror> I'm loosing my mind, I have more work than I can do :D
[09:56] <malvin> i see
[09:56] <malvin> i still have to start mine
[09:56] <malvin> so i understand you position
[09:56] <bioterror> I hate mondays
[09:56] <malvin> i hate fridays
[09:57] <malvin> bioterror: buy the way the linux comiunity is cool
[09:57] <malvin> bioterror: i thought that going to linux will be a big head eache
[09:58] <bioterror> it is first, if you have problems with hardware
[09:58] <bioterror> as you can see
[10:02] <malvin> bioterror: uhu
[10:06] <malvin> now i have a bigger problem
[10:06] <malvin> bioterror:
[10:07] <malvin> bioterror:when the sistem starts to boot from the live usb the laptop stopes automaticaly//
[10:32] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:33] <MrChrisDruif> Hai s-fox :)
[11:20] <MrChrisDruif1> I've got a IRC/freenode error. As you can see in the list I'm twice signed in...
[11:21] <MrChrisDruif1> How can I sign the MrChrisDruif out or switch to that one?
[11:24] <yofel> MrChrisDruif1: got resolved by the other one timing out, but next time you can type: /msg nickserv ghost MrChrisDruif <your_NS_password>
[11:24] <MrChrisDruif> Ow....never mind :P
[13:00] <nickor> i ran the hard drive diagnostic from terminal yesterday and it is still counting up (ran all night) its at 8429210 im confused as to what is going
[13:01] <beta0x64_> nickor, weird. what diagnostic are you doing? just curious
[13:01] <nickor> im such a newb
[13:01] <nickor> i think it was fsck
[13:02] <wolfpack> nickor: what are you geeting in the terminal
[13:02] <coz_> nickor,  that doesnt sound right?
[13:02] <wolfpack> getting?
[13:03] <beta0x64_> how large is the drive and partition if you know it
[13:03] <nickor> its counting to a trillion
[13:03] <nickor> 84929210
[13:03] <nickor> screen is filled with numbers on the left hand column of terminal
[13:04] <coz_> nickor,  push up the scrollbar on the terminal ,, if you have it set to infinite scroll..and see what the original command was
[13:04] <nickor> ok
[13:04] <coz_> nickor,  actually,,, what was the reason that made you start this in the first place?
[13:05] <nickor> i asked how to check my drive for physcial errors in another ubuntu room
[13:05] <nickor> yesterday morning
[13:05] <coz_> ah
[13:05] <nickor> because i havent been able to install any ubuntu apps through the software center
[13:06] <nickor> only 2 programs have installed successfully since i installed ubuntu
[13:06] <coz_> nickor,  is this ubuntu 10.10 ...yes?
[13:06] <nickor> yup
[13:06] <nickor> it stinks doesnt it?
[13:06] <nickor> what version should i use?
[13:06] <wolfpack> nickor: No, it works well
[13:06] <nickor> then im a newb :(
[13:06] <coz_> nickor,  10.10 is fine :)
[13:07] <wolfpack> nickor: Did you unmounted the drive before running fsck ?
[13:07] <nickor> i do think this drive has been damamged and has bad sectors
[13:07] <nickor> yes
[13:08] <nickor> i cant scroll high enough to see the command i made its counted in the high millions approaching billions
[13:09] <nickor> i have ubuntu 10.10 on like 4 computers i could get another machine i know to be healthy to compare results
[13:09] <nickor> one moment
[13:10] <coz_> nickor,  well you can have ubuntu run fsck at boot
[13:10] <coz_> nickor,   if you stop that running check now    ctrl+c   and type     touch /forcefsck   then    sudo init 6   it should run that at boot
[13:11] <beta0x64_> coz_, is that a good thing in this case? it might count like this but for how long?
[13:12] <coz_> mmm
[13:12] <beta0x64_> I want to know how large the partition of the drive is and what we're counting exactly.
[13:12] <coz_> nickor,    then in terminal  first thing I would check is    df -h
[13:13] <nickor> ok i stopped it
[13:13] <coz_> nickor,  you could got to paste.ubuntu.com to paste the output of       df -h
[13:14] <nickor> firefox wont start so i cant access that page
[13:15] <coz_> ooo
[13:15] <nickor> ill try that touch command now
[13:15] <coz_> nickor,  well ,,,has firefox been an issue ?
[13:15] <nickor> not really
[13:15] <nickor> let me explain, this is running off the usb
[13:15] <coz_> nickor,  was there an error opening firefox?
[13:15] <beta0x64_> what do you think is wrong with the disk?
[13:15] <nickor> i think it was dropped and has bad sectors
[13:15] <beta0x64_> only 2 things installed from the repo?
[13:16] <nickor> beta yes
[13:16] <nickor> and i had to get them off the web directly
[13:16] <beta0x64_> damn. is...anything loose in the drive?
[13:16] <nickor> i do not know
[13:16] <nickor> thats a good question
[13:16] <coz_> nickor,  the hard drive was dropped?
[13:16] <nickor> this machine is problematic, all parts are integrated
[13:16] <nickor> cant take out ram or hard drive
[13:17] <beta0x64_> I'm pretty sure it's a very sensitive thing to that kind of damage.
[13:17] <nickor> nokia booklet 3g
[13:17] <coz_> nickor,   well guy ,, a dropped hard drive  is never going to be trustworthy
[13:17] <nickor> i know i was hoping to identify and not use bad sectors
[13:17] <coz_> nickor,  you could download and burn  Dban  which will write zeros to the drive and probably report  and disk errors as well
[13:18] <coz_> nickor,    http://www.dban.org/
[13:18] <nickor> dban? ok
[13:18] <beta0x64_> how will you restrict the sectors? sorry I'm not that awesome :)
[13:18] <nickor> thanks
[13:18] <coz_> nickor,  I wold run that,,  of course it is going to completely wipe the current hard drive clean
[13:19] <nickor> beta i suppose my ignorance has gotten the better of me twice in this problem :(
[13:19] <coz_> nickor,  and I also suggest downloading the minimal install cd which is about 12megs  and burn that,, the advantage of it is that ALL packages are downloaded from the internet and the system is up to date at first boot
[13:19] <nickor> ok
[13:19] <coz_> nickor,  however,, if the HD is damaged,,, then it is untrustworthy
[13:19] <coz_> nickor,  you may want to replace it at some point if the remaining hardware is in good condition
[13:20] <nickor> yeah i think it requires a soldering iron as the ram does for removal
[13:20] <nickor> this is such an inherited problem / not a blessing
[13:20] <coz_> nickor,  the fact that packages wont install,, that the fsck  was running forever ,, doesnt sound good,, it could be related to a bad install as well
[13:21] <coz_> nickor,  oooo  thats not good
[13:21] <coz_> nickor,  what system is this?
[13:21] <nickor> nokia booklet 3g
[13:21] <coz_> nickor,   oh!!
[13:21] <coz_> darn
[13:21] <nickor> indeed
[13:21] <nickor> i have another laptop but it has less capacity
[13:21] <nickor> but atleast it works lol
[13:22] <coz_> nickor,  is the other system upgradeable,, at least the memory?
[13:22] <nickor> actually no
[13:22] <coz_> ok
[13:22] <nickor> also limited
[13:22] <nickor> its an thinkpad x41
[13:22] <coz_> nickor,  well first things first...  download and burn Dban
[13:22] <nickor> but!
[13:22] <coz_> nickor, oh wait
[13:22] <coz_> nickor,  does this system even have a cd rom?
[13:22] <nickor> i have an acer wich is
[13:22] <nickor> however its HUGE
[13:23] <nickor> coz no it does not
[13:23] <coz_> damn
[13:23] <nickor> but i have an external cdrom
[13:23] <nickor> should i need it
[13:23] <coz_> nickor,   I dont know for sure if Dban can be set to boot  form usb
[13:23] <coz_> let me check
[13:24] <nickor> yeah my lenovo x41 has ubuntu also
[13:24] <nickor> and a touch pen :)
[13:24] <coz_> oo nice
[13:25] <coz_> nickor,  apparenlty Dban can be run from usb ,, I am not sure of the procedure for that,, googling now
[13:25] <nickor> fwiw ubuntu is awesome it recognized that touch pen on first boot
[13:25] <coz_> nickor,  do you have a windows system?
[13:25] <nickor> i have a bunch of em
[13:25] <nickor> yes
[13:26] <coz_> here is one tutorial for windows    http://www.trishtech.com/security/create_bootable_dban_usb_pen_drive.php
[13:26] <coz_> I really would prefer a linux one hold on
[13:27] <nickor> bathroom break be back in 5
[13:27] <nickor> thank you so much btw
[13:29] <nickor> ok my lenovo is dual boot
[13:30] <nickor> and powered up
[13:30] <coz_> nickor,  ok  mm  I am still trying to create a bootable usb flash with dban on linux
[13:31] <nickor> ok
[13:32] <nickor> no rush, thank you very much i want to get comfortable with ubuntu
[13:32] <nickor> i think it has a lot of educational value for me
[13:32] <coz_> nickor,  hold on I have to install unetbootin  for this to work I believe
[13:32] <coz_> nickor,  however that windows link should also work
[13:34] <nickor> ok i got the windows file downloaded
[13:34] <nickor> im gonna go grab my vitamin and breakfast drink brb
[13:35] <coz_> nickor,  I am going to try this on this system
[13:35] <coz_> let me reboot
[13:44] <nickor> there goes my hero!!!!!!
[13:48] <coz_> nickor,  no luck so far for me on linux I am going to try this again, since I use Dban,, it would be cool to have this on usb flash
[13:48] <nickor> cool ill be here
[13:49] <nickor> im gonna try to install some programs on my lenovo ubuntu install
[13:49] <coz_> nickor,  ok ,, I am going for a break here  ,, I will be back later
[14:02] <nickor> ok so my lenovo install of ubuntu seems healthy
[14:02] <nickor> it installs programs for example tango gps is here
[14:02] <nickor> but others i can not locate
[14:04] <nickor> should everything be under installed software?
[14:16] <holstein> hey nickor
[14:16] <holstein> maybe not
[14:17] <holstein> depends on what you install
[14:17] <holstein> some things dont get a menu enty
[14:17] <holstein> you can always make a menu enty for even command line applications if you want
[14:34] <cyoz> how does the update process work in ubuntu?
[14:34] <cyoz> is it like windows update?
[14:34] <cyoz> (between say 10.10 and 11.10)
[14:35] <holstein> cyoz: this is different
[14:35] <bdfhjk> cyoz: It is similar
[14:35] <holstein> AFAIK, you cannot upgrade from XP to vista for example
[14:35] <holstein> 10.10 and 11.04 are actually quite different looking
[14:36] <holstein> *this time at least
[14:36] <holstein> and, you usually have to go in order
[14:36] <cyoz> so the update would be like moving from vista to 7?
[14:36] <holstein> from 10.10 to 11.04 to 11.10
[14:36] <holstein> you can read about long term support releases (LTS)
[14:36] <holstein> you can upgrade between those
[14:36] <holstein> 8.04 to 10.04 for example
[14:37] <holstein> BUT, the fresh install is always preferred and actually can be faster
[14:37] <cyoz> hmm well I think I have to get myself together and try installing ubuntu again first of all
[14:37] <cyoz> failed last time :/
[14:37] <holstein> cyoz: im not aware of how upgrading from vista to window7 works
[14:37] <holstein> or if that is possible
[14:38] <cyoz> it is possible afaik but not as clean as a fresh install
[14:38] <cyoz> you get a folder with all your old stuff
[14:38] <holstein> cyoz: check out WUBI
[14:38] <holstein> !wubi
[14:38] <ubot2> Wubi is an Ubuntu installer for Windows users that allows you to install and uninstall Ubuntu like a Windows application, in a simple and safe way. http://wubi-installer.org/support.php and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide for troubleshooting. Please  file bugs at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug. For Ubuntu Maverick/10.10 http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/wubi.exe
[14:38] <holstein> cyoz: and as always, the LIVE cd's are a great tool
[14:38] <cyoz> I read about that but I want a "proper" install
[14:38] <holstein> for seeing how well your hardware is supported prior to installing :)
[14:39] <cyoz> my dvd-drive is broken and I really don't need it beyond those things
[14:39] <holstein> cyoz: the good thing about WUBI is the lack of partitioning
[14:39] <cyoz> I tried it via a flash-drive but got an error in the setup
[14:39] <cyoz> I think I did the partitioning correctly
[14:39] <holstein> but, if you are comfortable doing that
[14:40] <holstein> and have your data backedup
[14:40] <holstein> a proper install is preferred to WUBI
[14:40] <cyoz> yes I'm paranoid about my data, that isn't an issue
[14:41] <cyoz> the problem I faced seemed to be a problem with ubuntus installer
[14:41] <holstein> i suppose
[14:41] <cyoz> I just made the mistake to not bookmark the forum-thread I've found
[14:41] <holstein> its more than likely hardware related
[14:41] <holstein> either the USB stick
[14:41] <holstein> or the iso
[14:42] <holstein> i would check the md5 sum of the iso
[14:42] <cyoz> hm, the stick worked fine with installing windows 7
[14:42] <holstein> then re-format the stick
[14:42] <holstein> cyoz: thats a different iso
[14:42] <cyoz> it is, but I find that a bit unlikely.. don't you think?
[14:43] <cyoz> I haven't had a corrupted download like that in a long time
[14:43] <holstein> you didnt download the win7 iso
[14:43] <holstein> and if you havent verified the md5
[14:43] <holstein> you cant rule that out
[14:43] <holstein> and, the creation of the USB stick
[14:43] <holstein> i like to re-format fresh
[14:43] <holstein> and use unetbootin
[14:44] <cyoz> I used the tool that ubuntu.com suggested
[14:44] <holstein> right, so theres another tool for you to try
[14:45] <holstein> !unetbootin
[14:45] <ubot2> For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[14:45] <holstein> eh
[14:45] <holstein> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[14:48] <cyoz> stupid question... for me that would be 10.10_Live_x64 right?
[14:48] <holstein> cyoz: do you have a 64bit machine?
[14:48] <cyoz> (downloaded  the 64 bit version)
[14:48] <cyoz> yes
[14:48] <holstein> do you want a 64bit install?
[14:49] <cyoz> yes
[14:49] <holstein> if you are totally new to linux
[14:49] <nickor> holstein can i perform a search for these programs i cant find? what do you recommend?
[14:49] <holstein> i would suggest a 32bit
[14:49] <holstein> nickor: what program?
[14:49] <nickor> its called tangogps
[14:49] <holstein> cyoz: also, we are literally days from the 11.04 release
[14:50] <nickor> theres a few of them i cant find
[14:50] <cyoz> I see..
[14:51]  * holstein installing tangogps...
[14:51] <nickor> thank you holstein for your help
[14:52] <holstein> nickor: i see it in the menu
[14:52] <holstein> under accessories
[14:52] <holstein> BUT
[14:52] <holstein> you can use
[14:53] <holstein> alt+F2
[14:53] <holstein> and just type in tangogps
[14:53] <holstein> ^the app name
[14:53] <nickor> that works for any ?
[14:53] <holstein> OR the name of any other app you might be looking for
[14:53] <nickor> cool
[17:27] <joerg__> hi, my samsung n510 netbook won't detect any wifi networks after installing linux driver for realtek wireless controller rtl8192e. i'm using ubuntu 10.10. any suggestions?
[18:08] <nickor> im trying to pick the best software for my new install, is there a way to see ratings of a program?
[18:11] <nickor> also if any of you have some game suggestions
[18:11] <nickor> im looking for some simple games, so far ive got chess and a tetris clone
[18:13] <bioterror> dopewars
[18:14] <charlie-tca> foobilliards
[18:14] <charlie-tca> gnubackgammon
[18:14] <maheanuu_> IaOrana Ia Oe,  Good morning I have a problem my music player in 10.10 is trying to open any and all files and folders...   How do I remedy this
[18:19] <maheanuu_> I cannot seem to find anyway to get back to the file manager doing its thing, this started last nite late and even trying to right click on the various files and folders doesn't give me any option it just brings up music player???   I cannot find any way to get out of this hole
[18:21] <nickor> dopewars sounds fun
[18:21] <nickor> billairds too, i have a touchpen btw that could be sweet
[18:58] <kristian-aalborg> hey, any framebuffer experts? I'm trying to change the driver to vesafb but no luck
[19:01] <ibuclaw> kristian-aalborg, why?
[19:01] <kristian-aalborg> the colors seem off... I did a screenshot with fbgrab and it's much nicer than what I actually see on the screen
[19:04] <kristian-aalborg> I'd like to give vesafb or uvesafb a shot
[19:12] <UndiFineD> kristian-aalborg, that sounds like build in gamma / hue
[19:13] <kristian-aalborg> yeah, the screen is not very good
[19:13] <kristian-aalborg> http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[19:13] <kristian-aalborg> following this
[19:19] <kristian-aalborg> whoa, everything got faster
[20:02] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, so I just started screen and the screensaver (worms from bsdgames) wouldn't quit upon presssing a key... related?!
[20:19] <Duhza> hello
[20:34] <Duhza> hello
[20:35] <charlie-tca> hello, Duhza
[20:36] <Duhza> so is there any thing i need to know when installing ubuntu desktop on mac
[20:42] <Duhza> can i use ftp and ssh on ubuntu desktop?
[20:42] <charlie-tca> sure
[20:43] <Duhza> ok
[20:43] <charlie-tca> As for installing on a mac, I don't know of anything
[20:43] <charlie-tca> Usually just works, I think
[20:44] <holstein> Duhza: there are usually nice wiki pages
[20:44] <holstein> with specifics on mac hardware
[20:44] <Duhza> ya
[20:44] <Duhza> lol
[20:44] <holstein> like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook
[20:45] <holstein> i would give it a read
[20:45] <Duhza> for wifi do i need to setup after i install
[20:45] <holstein> sometimes there are deal-breakers
[20:45] <Duhza> i have macmini
[20:46] <holstein> depends
[20:46] <holstein> probably not
[20:47] <holstein> usually the intel stuff is well supported
[20:47] <Duhza> kk
[20:48] <holstein> Duhza: try it live
[20:48] <holstein> i usually boot live
[20:48] <holstein> and run lspci
[20:48] <holstein> poke around a bit
[20:48] <holstein> see if the sound works
[20:48] <holstein> wifi
[20:48] <holstein> desktop effects
[20:48] <holstein> not that that means you cant get support for a device
[20:48] <holstein> i have a netbook, installed 10.04
[20:48] <Duhza> im installing now
[20:48] <holstein> wifi and sound didnt work
[20:48] <Duhza> 10.10
[20:49] <holstein> i updated to the newest kernel
[20:49] <holstein> via wired ethernet
[20:49] <holstein> and BOOM
[20:49] <holstein> everything worked :)
[20:49] <holstein> *just in case you wondered what the ubuntu kernel team was up to :)
[20:50] <Duhza> im a newbie at linux
[20:50] <holstein> open a terminal
[20:50] <holstein> from the live CD
[20:50] <holstein> and run
[20:50] <holstein> lspci
[20:52] <Duhza> what will taht do
[20:54] <holstein> that will tell you what devices ubuntu 'sees'
[20:54] <holstein> and you can go from there testing if they wok
[20:54] <holstein> work*
[20:55] <holstein> *before installing
[20:55] <holstein> or, just go for it :)
[20:57] <Duhza> i went for it
[20:57] <Duhza> lol
[20:57] <Duhza> i dont care if i lose my stuff on my mac
[20:57] <holstein> yeah
[20:57] <holstein> if you got things backed up
[20:57] <holstein> and can afford to break things
[20:57] <holstein> and re-install
[20:57] <Duhza> nah its not my main comp
[20:57] <Duhza> i can just re-install
[20:57] <holstein> thats really a good way to learn
[20:58] <holstein> i just like to make sure folks know what they are getting into
[20:58] <Duhza> ya lol
[20:58] <holstein> so they dont have a bad experience due to lack of information
[20:59] <Duhza> i know some commands for mac terminal
[21:00] <holstein> cool
[21:00] <holstein> that'll come in handy
[21:00] <Duhza> lol not many
[21:00] <holstein> well, just not being afraid of it is key
[21:01] <Duhza> lol
[21:02] <Duhza> what does sudo mean
[21:02] <holstein> superuser do?
[21:02] <holstein> let me tell you what it does
[21:03] <Duhza> ok
[21:03] <holstein> it lets you borrow the rights of the root or administrator
[21:03] <holstein> to do things like install software
[21:03] <holstein> in OSX, when you install something
[21:03] <holstein> and you are asked for an admin password
[21:03] <holstein> *similar
[21:03] <Duhza> ok
[21:04] <Duhza> how can i make my account the admin account
[21:04] <Duhza> so i dont have to do that
[21:04] <kristian-aalborg> will eventual changes I made to initramfs be the same when I get another kernel?
[21:05] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: im not sure about that
[21:05] <holstein> but, i think it depends on where the changes come from
[21:05] <holstein> if *you* do them
[21:05] <holstein> i think you have to do them next kernel
[21:05] <kristian-aalborg> I don't mind
[21:05] <holstein> but, theres not much reason to upgrade kernels
[21:05] <holstein> and you can try the new one
[21:06] <holstein> and boot the old one easy enough
[21:06] <kristian-aalborg> actually, I'm a bit nervous messing with it... so I hope I get a "default" option with the next kernel
[21:06] <holstein> eh, i say you're not really learning til you break it :)
[21:07] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: i used to run a Vbox install just for that kind of thing
[21:07] <holstein> and i still have a laptop for music production that i test updates on
[21:07] <kristian-aalborg> I plan to get into vbox-ing
[21:27] <Duhza> will openssh
[21:27] <holstein> what?
[21:27] <holstein> run?
[21:27] <Duhza> allowme to acssses my ubuntu from my pc with putty
[21:27] <bioterror> yes
[21:27] <holstein> Duhza: sure
[21:28] <bioterror> openssh-server
[21:28] <Duhza> ok so i need to install it
[21:31] <kristian-aalborg> Duhza: http://principialabs.com/beginning-ssh-on-ubuntu/
[21:32] <holstein> !xdmx
[21:32] <ubot2> Factoid 'xdmx' not found
[21:32] <holstein> :/
[21:32] <holstein> anyone using xdmx?
[21:32] <holstein> im getting strange keyboard behavior
[21:32] <holstein> after setting up a 2nd display scenario
[21:34] <charlie-tca> !info xdmx
[21:35] <MrChrisDruif> xdmx?
 xdmx (source: xorg-server): distributed multihead X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:1.9.0-0ubuntu7.3 (maverick), package size 799 kB, installed size 1672 kB
[21:35] <holstein> AH
[21:35] <holstein>    !info FTW :)
[21:36] <charlie-tca> Yes, ubot2 doesn't work with it
[21:36] <holstein> If Xdmx was invoked with -xkb or was not compiled to use the XKEYBOARD extension, then a keyboard on a backend or console will be initialized using the map that the host X server provides
[21:36] <holstein> ^ does that make sense to anyone?
[21:38] <Duhza> how do i get java
[21:38] <charlie-tca> I think it means if you did not specify the keyboard to use, it will use whatever you choose at install time
[21:38] <charlie-tca> !java
[21:38] <ubot2> To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu on 10.04 LTS and newer, see http://tinyurl.com/2ffg7cc -  For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases.
[21:39] <holstein> charlie-tca: im going to have to keep trouble shooting
[21:39] <holstein> see what option im not passing that i need to pass
[21:49] <christopher> I am new and noticed that many web pages and articles do not appear correctly in FireFox. I am running 10.04. Anyone know why?
[21:49] <holstein> christopher: what site?
[21:50] <holstein> define 'correctly'
[21:50] <holstein> what browser are you used to?
[21:51] <holstein> in 10.04, i usually use chromium
[21:51] <holstein> BUT
[21:51] <holstein> i added FF4 with this PPA
[21:51] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable
[21:52] <holstein> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable
[21:52] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[21:52] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:52] <holstein> ^ only if you dont have FF4 and would like to upgrade to it *
[21:54] <christopher> sorry to be slow. I got distracted.
[21:56] <christopher> I have always used Firefox. but I notice that the text is often hidden under other objects on the screen. Like in news articles.
[21:58] <Duhza> my screen is not working
[21:59] <Duhza> like the screen in terminal the app
[21:59] <christopher> i first started using Ubuntu last June, and there has always been a problem with some web pages. Also, and almost as troubling, the web pages seem to move up and down a notch on their own.
[22:05] <bobo123> christopher: I don't know but I guess firefox has dropped some special-support for some buggy old MSIE6.0-only -pages perhaps? could be why it renders them as their stylessheets actually says, and not as the creator thought
[22:06] <bobo123> christopher:  if "pages seem to move up and down a notch on their own" then that is perhaps some bug though
[22:09] <christopher> it bugs my eyes sometimes. Perhaps I should use a different browser?
[22:09] <holstein> christopher: check out firefox 4
[22:09] <holstein> ^
[22:09] <christopher> Someone just suggested i upgrade to 4, but I didn't see it in the synaptic manager
[22:09] <bobo123> christopher: Also some webpagages is badly made, so it you set the Minimum font size -setting in firefox, then those pages break (writing things on top of each other or don't grow boxes as they should etc).
[22:10] <holstein> 16:49 < holstein> i added FF4 with this PPA
[22:10] <holstein> 16:49 < holstein> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable
[22:10] <holstein> 16:49 < holstein> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable
[22:10] <holstein> 16:49 < holstein> sudo apt-get update
[22:10] <holstein> 16:49 < holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:10] <holstein> you'll need to add that PPA^
[22:10]  * holstein is sorry for the multi-paste :/
[22:11] <bobo123> christopher: yeah ff4 is too new to be in the standard repository..... it wasn't released until last week or so, right? allso be aware that ff4 is have a quite different userinterface - it is more like chrome. butt-ugly that is.
[22:12] <holstein> hehe
[22:12] <holstein> i like it :)
[22:12] <christopher> holstein: ok. Sorry to be sooo newbie, but the lines you just added, i just paste into terminal? or do i need to download something first?
[22:12] <holstein> christopher: i would go to that link first
[22:13] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable
[22:13] <holstein> and read
[22:13] <holstein> but yeah
[22:13] <holstein> if you paste the sudo lines in the terminal
[22:13] <holstein> it'll just happen
[22:13] <holstein> BUT
[22:13] <holstein> i would read a bit
[22:13] <holstein> so you know whats going on
[22:13] <holstein> and why
[22:13] <christopher> thanks
[22:14] <holstein> PPA's give you access to packages that are not in the normal repositories
[22:14] <holstein> and thats one that the mozilla team maintains
[22:14] <holstein> sudo apt-add-repository adds it
[22:14] <christopher> i don't know if that's gonna happen, but at least i can define my ignorance a little perhaps.
[22:14] <holstein> sudo apt-get update updates the package list
[22:15] <holstein> and sudo apt-get upgrade upgrades pacakges
[22:15] <holstein> such as FF3 to FF4 :)
[22:15] <holstein> christopher: you can just search where you are comfortable
[22:15] <holstein> for web-browsers
[22:15] <holstein> and install one and try it
[22:15] <holstein> like chromium
[22:15] <holstein> or midori
[22:15] <christopher> you mentioned chromium?
[22:15] <holstein> yup
[22:16] <holstein> sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[22:16] <Shawn727> Hey all
[22:16] <christopher> are any of these in synaptic. Not that i am afraid of the terminal. But if its all the same. . .
[22:16] <holstein> christopher: should be :)
[22:16] <holstein> use what you feel comfortable with
[22:17] <bobo123> Hellow: Shawn727
[22:17] <joshwhat> Hello, all!
[22:17] <Hellow> What?
[22:18] <bobo123> oups.. my bad, I was trying to write hello :-}
[22:18] <collinp> kk
[22:18] <joshwhat> I'm not much of a beginner, but there wasn't an ubuntu-intermediate channel... :)
[22:18] <Shawn727> Bobo read p.m.
[22:18] <bobo123> my little tab-finger got a little overactive there :-D
[22:19] <holstein> Shawn727: no thanks
[22:19] <joshwhat> I deleted my Auto eth0 when I wanted to connect wireless only, but now I want to add it back, but it won't connect... Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!
[22:19] <holstein> Shawn727: also, its usually considered bad etiquette to PM un-announced
[22:20] <bobo123> christopher: yeah everything is available in synaptic too. and adding additional repositories to get more programs is also available from it (a dilogbox from a menu in it)
[22:20] <holstein> christopher: also, if you didnt ask, or say its OK to be in a PM
[22:20] <holstein> be cautious*
[22:21] <Shawn727> Bobo do you have a paypal?
[22:21] <bobo123> nope. paypal is kinda evil. (kinda off topic too, right?)
[22:22] <Shawn727> k
[22:24] <christopher> Thanks Holstein. Just downloaded Midori and checked a few news articles. They all seem to be fine, and there is no scrolling problems.
[22:24] <bobo123> joshwhat:  yeah I guess an ubuntu-intermediate channel whould be fun :-D
[22:24] <holstein> christopher: :)
[22:24] <holstein> nice browser really
[22:31] <Duhza> how do i know what my su password is
[22:45] <holstein> Duhza: you dont have one
[22:45] <holstein> you use sudo
[22:45] <holstein> and thats your users password
[22:45] <holstein> if you want something more like the typical OSX scenario
[22:46] <holstein> where you end up with a root terminal
[22:46] <holstein> run the command
[22:46] <holstein> sudo -s
[22:46] <holstein> then, put in your users pass
[22:46] <holstein> and you'll get a root terminal
[22:46] <Shawn727> Holstein is nice lol
[22:47] <holstein> :)
[22:47] <Duhza> kk tahnks
[22:47] <Duhza> lol
[23:54] <MK`> When I click to view properties in /, it says it's 128 TB, is this a (known) bug?