=== robert-ancell is now known as robert_ancell === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless === RAOF_ is now known as RAOF\ === RAOF\ is now known as RAOF === chris|| is now known as chris| === Amaranth is now known as xKoreBeastMode === xKoreBeastMode is now known as Amaranth === Tm_T_ is now known as Tm_Tr === AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell [07:37] uh, so audio doesn't really work when there are more than one users logged on [07:37] the first user can choose which output to use, others not so much [07:46] tjaalton: Any of your users in the audio group? [07:48] TheMuso`: both [07:48] I suggest you remove them from the audio group then. [07:48] oh? [07:49] shouldn't this be handled on upgrades then?-) [07:49] Yes, the use of consolekit by pulseaudio means that the audio group only hinders audio working for more than one user. [07:49] ok, good to know [07:49] Its been this way for ages. [07:49] this is an old install [07:49] Right. [07:49] I don't think the policy is to remove users from groups on upgrade. [07:49] Or add them etc. [07:50] And I am not even sure how one could reliably check for this on upgrade either. [07:51] good morning [07:51] the janitor-thingy might do it [07:52] didrocks: Good mornin' [07:52] tjaalton: Good thought. I'll put it down as something to investigate next cycle. [07:53] TheMuso`: great, thanks [07:57] TheMuso`: oh, I know why the users were on those groups.. it's the users and groups admin capplet [07:57] Ah yes. [07:58] That should be fixed in rrecent Ubuntu versions. [07:58] I'll try ;) [07:58] to see if it's true [07:59] didrocks: unity-window-decorator doesn't want to start on display !:0.0 on the first start, is there a bug filed already? [08:00] (unity-window-decorator:20170): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 [08:00] compiz --replace fixes that [08:00] tjaalton: yeah, it's filed and on the top priority list [08:00] didrocks: cool [08:01] TheMuso`: nu-uh, still adds the user to the audio-group when I tick the box and apply [08:04] tjaalton: Is this natty? [08:04] TheMuso`: yes [08:04] And what box are you talking about being ticked? [08:06] select the users, click on "additional settings", then "user rights" tab and there select the "can use audio devices" box [08:07] Right, that box should go away entirely I think... [08:07] and a whole bunch of others [08:07] I.e for the moment, that shouldn't even be checked, because everyone can use audio regardless of whether that is checked or not. [08:13] yep === Zdra is now known as xclaesse [08:16] Good morning [08:17] Good morning pitti. [08:19] hey pitti [08:20] vish: small question, on bug #721121. Shouldn't the icon "user-home" in humanity be the one with the folder drawn? [08:20] Launchpad bug 721121 in humanity-icon-theme "Icon in Launcher should be home folder icon" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721121 [08:36] didrocks: hi, nope.. :) [08:36] vish: what's the meaning of that lonely icon? ;) [08:37] didrocks: i already mentioned on the other bug; but i guess mark is reading only unity bug mail :D [08:37] vish: let me look at the links then [08:37] (still through the 800 messages of unity bugmails this week) [08:38] didrocks: in short; user-home being a folder is not important; its the same higher level folder as / or any media [08:38] vish: oh ok, make sense [08:38] hum, adding a new desktop file seems to be the only solution [08:39] morning [08:41] bryceh: love it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/747014/comments/4 [08:41] Launchpad bug 747014 in unity "Wanda is gone from unity" [Critical,In progress] [08:42] morning [08:56] didrocks, :-) [09:07] rodrigo_: Hi, can I try packaging Gdm 2.91 for the GNOME3 PPA? [09:07] rodrigo_: or have you begun it already? [09:07] cdbs, no, please go [09:07] cdbs, although 3.0.0 is due today, so wait a bit and package that [09:07] rodrigo_: thanks! [09:07] I am doing gnome-tweak-tool now [09:07] rodrigo_: Weren't the tarballs due for tomorrow? [09:08] so that they can release on Wednesdat [09:08] *Wednesday [09:10] cdbs, today at 23:59 UTC [09:10] Riddell: hmm [09:10] Riddell: oops, unping, meant for rodrigo_ [09:11] cdbs, but yes, I guess you can start doing 2.91.x and then just update to 3.0 when it's done [09:11] rodrigo_: yeah, that's what I am doing already [09:11] ok cool [09:11] rodrigo_: though GDM can be a tough task [09:11] yes [09:11] its a base thing [09:12] * cdbs downloads current gdm deb so that he can deal with failures [09:12] cdbs, look at debian, I guess they have already packaged it, so it should be easier [09:12] oh they did? nice! [09:12] not sure, check it [09:12] * cdbs looks at experimental [09:12] rodrigo_: nope, they didn't [09:12] ah :( [09:12] they have 2.20 [09:12] too old [09:13] yes [09:13] look at gdm3 [09:13] Laney: gdm3 is 2.30, again old [09:13] less old :-) [09:14] anyway, it might make sense if you ask on their irc and coordinate efforts [09:14] yes [09:14] resizing gnome-terminal doesn't show the terminal size anymore with compiz on natty, but can't find a bug filed against g-t, is it filed elswhere? [09:15] cdbs, as you said, gdm is tricky so if you can get help from them, it will be easier for you [09:15] rodrigo_: well, yeah, but most of the tricky part is ubuntu-specific stuff like upstart files and ubuntu patches [09:17] cdbs, right === bcurtiswx_ is now known as bcurtiswx [09:30] good morning everyone === lag` is now known as lag [09:35] chrisccoulson: Aloha! [09:35] hi RAOF! [09:36] I had something to ask you about the unity freeze you were seeing. What was it…? [09:36] Oh, yes! [09:36] Have you reproduced it with drm.debug=0x01 (as mentioned on the bug)? [09:37] ah, i've not tried it just yet [09:37] Is it still easily reproducible? [09:37] i'll reboot in a but with that, and see if it happens again today [09:37] yeah, it happened 4 or 5 times yesterday [09:37] so i should be able to get the information quite quickly ;) [09:37] hum, nautilus and evolution crashing [09:38] ok, shouldn't be that, almost no app opens [09:39] hey desktopers [09:39] didrocks, what did you do to your box? [09:40] chrisccoulson: Handy hint: echo 0x0e | sudo tee /sys/module/drm/parameters/debug [09:40] seb128: something evil… upgrading ;) [09:40] all was going well since morning (for the last 3 hours), then, I decided to upgrade and reboot :) [09:41] RAOF, thanks! [09:41] bonjour seb128 [09:41] hey pitti, how are you? [09:41] seb128: pretty well, thanks! the WE was splendid, wholly new feeling to sweat :) [09:42] we had 22 degrees and all sun [09:42] chrisccoulson: That's going to fill the kernel ringbuffer pretty quickly and start eating /var. Just in case you wonder why you've run out of disk space :) [09:42] and I started packing and disassembling furniture [09:42] RAOF, yeah, i noticed it's quite verbose ;) [09:42] weather was great on a saturday here as well [09:42] but it was raining yesterday [09:42] pitti, when do you move? [09:43] seb128: probably around end of April [09:43] seb128: we have some appointments for visiting flats now [09:44] ok [09:44] pitti, oh btw I'm just catching up with emails, that nautilus abort bug... some users said in a duplicate it happens only when liboverlay-scrollbar is installed [09:45] seb128: the one comment I saw was having dropbox [09:45] evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in os_pager_move_resize() [09:45] it's not dropbox, it's the scrollbars [09:45] bcurtiswx, seb128: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646555 has loads of duplicates. Would be good to cherry pick the fix to the natty package [09:45] Gnome bug 646555 in Contact List "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in event_manager_add" [Major,Resolved: fixed] [09:45] ok, scrollbars, bye [09:45] hey cassidy, I was going to check on that today since the retracer has closed quite some duplicates of it recently it seems [09:46] didrocks, is that the scrollbars leading to crashes for you? [09:46] seb128: just a guess, all gtk apps seems weirdly crashy… [09:46] an seeing this stack… [09:46] let's have a try [09:47] seb128: hm, I don't even see that package -- it's from a PPA? [09:47] seb128: oh, is that the new DX shiny scrollbars? [09:47] pitti, yes [09:47] it's in a ppa and in NEW [09:51] pitti, see bug #748552 [09:51] Launchpad bug 748552 in ayatana-scrollbar "With liboverlay-scrollbar installed nautilus crashes with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/748552 [09:51] hey seb128 [09:52] hey rodrigo_ [09:53] hi pitti, didrocks, seb128, did you have a good weekend? [09:54] hey chrisccoulson, morning rodrigo_ [09:54] and yes, hi chrisccoulson, pitti, didrocks and all :) [09:54] chrisccoulson: indeed we had, thanks! was splendid and warm spring weather here [09:54] hey chrisccoulson! Excellent, thanks ;) week-end in family, long walks and such ;) [09:54] hey rodrigo_ [10:00] chrisccoulson: Oh, also on the unity freeze thingy - to give a little more evidence that my hypothesis is correct could you attach gdb to X and check that it's blocked waiting for input rather than in some other point? [10:07] didrocks, did you figure what is causing your crashes? [10:08] seb128: yeah, the overlay scrollbar, but I had an old version [10:08] in fact I packaged one of the first version, install them to test, and such [10:08] didrocks, ok [10:08] then, I removed the ppa and switch to natty gtk which didn't load it [10:08] until… this upgrade :) [10:08] ;-) [10:08] it shows that the gtk update works at least ;-) === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum === lan3y is now known as Laney [10:13] seb128: yeah, let's tell it that way :p [11:02] seb128 or didrocks : can you sponsor the compiz SRU debdiffs to -proposed » Bug 438868 ? (trying to get them in before pitt-i makes his SRU rounds) [11:02] Launchpad bug 438868 in compiz "Numerous applications have focus issues after emerging from a screensaver or suspend" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438868 [11:02] vish, hey [11:02] * vish reminds seb128; chrisccoulson is not a core-dev yet.. make him apply! ;) [11:02] compiz should be in the destkop set [11:02] lol [11:03] yeah, it is, but i'm not sure i can upload it in lucid though. i've had trouble uploading lucid SRU's before ;) [11:03] well, he has written his wikipage, I need to put a nice comment on there btw [11:03] what about just trying? [11:03] it should work [11:03] yeah, i'll try it in a few minutes [11:03] thanks.. :) [11:03] it would be nice to get that fixed, it's driving jo crazy now she's using firefox 4 ;) [11:15] pitti - did you put your gnome-python-extras package split anywhere? (the one which didn't build) [11:15] i can try it again and upload it if you like [11:16] chrisccoulson, btw should be try to get tracker 0.10 synced from debian or something, [11:16] ? [11:16] chrisccoulson: it's just what is in current bzr, plus http://paste.ubuntu.com/589195/ [11:16] it seems like that's the sort of things where we should better get the current serie [11:16] that seemed the easiest way of disabling a package [11:16] chrisccoulson: ah, you mean it should build with the updated firefox now? [11:16] seb128 - i don't mind. i haven't tried it yet (i haven't looked at tracker in ages) [11:16] chrisccoulson: I uploaded packagekit, that works great now [11:16] it probably would be good to have though [11:17] pitti - yeah, i fixed the xulrunner SDK now [11:17] thanks for uploading packagekit === geser_ is now known as geser [11:17] pitti - i'm just building icedtea-web now (but i can't upload that one) [11:23] didrocks, ha, i just saw a screenshot from a few weeks ago, and thought that unity has definitely progressed a long way since then: http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.png [11:24] nice! [11:24] chrisccoulson: excellent :) [11:24] chrisccoulson, :-) [11:24] heh :) [11:29] pitti - would you mind sponsoring http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/icedtea-web/ when you get a few moments please :) [11:32] chrisccoulson: ooh, sure [11:32] chrisccoulson: done [11:35] pitti - cool, thanks [11:35] seb128: seems we shouldl make bug 740765 a dupe of 748552 then? [11:35] Launchpad bug 740765 in nautilus "nautilus crash: assertion failed: (NAUTILUS_IS_VIEW (view))" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740765 [11:35] pitti, I was just waiting for some extra confirmations but if you want to do it now feel free [11:36] seb128: ah, ok; let's wait for another confirmation then to be sure [11:39] pitti, btw I didn't get to review libscrollbar-overlay in NEW yet so if you have a free slot and want to do it please do [11:39] I'm still catching up with the bug emails from the weekend [11:39] 350 for my desktop box, over the double for unity [11:42] seb128: urgh [11:42] hi seb128, quick question: [11:42] seb128: yeah, I can review it [11:42] I was trying to find out why the gdm translations did not get imported, and I think it's because of the fact that they are now imported from bzr upstream branches instead of packages. I've noticed that on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gdm the upstream connection is set to the master branch instead of gnome-2-32. I would have thought someone would have noticed if the link is wrong, but perhaps you guys don't use it at all - how do you use [11:42] the upstream bzr branches? [11:45] seb128: more confirmation came in; duplicating now (using the web UI :) ) [11:45] blergh, timeout error [11:45] seb128: I already used https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/740765/+duplicate but that times out as well (as expected -- *all* LP pages time out after 11 s) [11:45] Launchpad bug 740765 in nautilus "nautilus crash: assertion failed: (NAUTILUS_IS_VIEW (view))" [High,Incomplete] [11:52] didrocks: hm, what's the correct spelling of https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/overlay-scrollbar/ubuntu/ ? [11:52] didrocks: it should also use v3 source format, I'll fix that in bzr (as well as Vcs-Bzr) once I know the project name :) [11:53] didrocks: oh, ayatana-scrollbar ? [11:53] didrocks, right [11:53] ups [11:53] pitti, right [11:53] pitti: v3 source format didn't work with hudson daily build last time I checked [11:53] ah, thanks [11:54] pitti, oh, web ui timeout? duplicate the other way around ;-) [11:54] didrocks: ok, will keep v1 then and just fix vcs-bzr [11:54] pitti: and yes, the project is called ayatana-scrollbar [11:54] seb128: how? [11:54] right, thanks ;) [11:55] ah, Ken already did [11:55] * pitti fixes Homepage: [11:57] Accepting overlay-scrollbar [11:58] seb128: how does "the other way around" work? [11:58] pitti, keep the one with a stack of duplicate and close the one with a short list [11:58] seb128: ah, ok; I thought more magic :) [11:58] ;-) [11:58] no, but you are right, the ui timeout where there is quite some duplicates to reassign [11:58] got the issue the other day as well [11:59] or just use the lp script if you want, it spam a bit but it's not the end of the world [11:59] ok, done [12:06] pitti: if you get a chance, can you have a look at bug #744104 ? [12:06] Launchpad bug 744104 in unity "Feature Freeze Exception: Animation for Grid Plugin Previews" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744104 [12:16] is anyone else not seeing banshee in the sound indicator anymore? [12:17] davmor2: Yeah can confirm that here. [12:17] TheMuso`: Thanks. [12:17] np [12:26] TheMuso`, hey [12:26] i got a bunch of patches from TI [12:26] TheMuso`, would you mind taking a look at them ? [12:27] ogra_: Can do so tomorrow, if you can point me at them I' [12:27] ogra_: Can do so tomorrow, if you can point me at them I'll look then. [12:27] TheMuso`, i'll forward you some mails with explanations from the author, the patches are at http://afuera.cortijodelrio.net/~ddiaz/paucm/ [12:29] ogra_: ok thanks. Do you want them all to be considered? [12:29] vish, tut tut, there's already a -0ubuntu16 version of compiz in the archive (in maverick) ;) [12:29] heh [12:30] TheMuso`, not sure they are all needed, we better ask the guy from TI working on them, i just forwarded you a mail with explanations from alejandro [12:31] ogra_: ok thanks. [12:31] Will look tomorrow. === TheMuso` is now known as TheMuso [12:31] thanks, tell me if i can help with anything === Pici` is now known as Pici [12:31] ogra_: will do, thanks again. [12:38] chrisccoulson: you mean lucid? [12:40] vish, no, in maverick. you can't have 2 builds with the same version anywhere ;) [12:40] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+publishinghistory [12:40] there's also a 15.1 already [12:40] chrisccoulson: weird, i see only compiz (1:0.8.6-0ubuntu9) maverick and compiz (1:0.8.4-0ubuntu15) lucid here » https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz [12:41] vish - that doesn't show the publishing history ;) [12:41] hmm.. [12:42] weird.. , i just apt-got the source, and i got only version compiz (1:0.8.6-0ubuntu9.1) maverick-proposed :( [12:43] and, they've been rejected anyway ;) [12:43] i can't upload them [12:43] never mind! [12:53] chrisccoulson: so, i need to make a new debdiff with the right version? (-0ubuntu17) [12:54] vish - -0ubuntu15.2 [12:54] ok. :) [12:54] (you don't want a version newer than what was uploaded to maverick) [12:55] vish - then i guess you'll need to subscribe sponsors ;) [12:55] chrisccoulson: oh! you dont have access for maverick either? [12:55] vish, no. and neither for natty [12:55] compiz is in desktop-core [12:56] chrisccoulson: dont make me tell seb-128 ! ;p [12:56] lol [12:56] i *can* upload it to dapper though if you like ;) [12:57] wait! i just noticed that the maverick version was 8.*4* [12:57] but this is 8.6 [12:58] nope. i'm blind :D [13:00] or maybe not.. :s .. 1:0.8.4-0ubuntu16 is last maverick that i can see on that link.. [13:02] and then the 8.6 starts in which 1:0.8.6-0ubuntu9.1 seems latest [13:03] * vish gives up, subscribes sponsors and lets them yell at me :) [13:04] * rodrigo__ lunch [13:11] hey seb128, I'm not sure you saw my question earlier on: I was trying to find out why the gdm translations did not get imported, and I think it's because of the fact that they are now imported from bzr upstream branches instead of packages. I've noticed that on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gdm the upstream connection is set to the master branch instead of gnome-2-32. I would have thought someone would have noticed if the link is wr [13:11] ong, but perhaps you guys don't use it at all - how do you use the upstream bzr branches? [13:12] dpm, did you check with danilo? I though they didn't turn on upstream import for Ubuntu yet? [13:12] or that they would make it an optin on sources you have to ask to be imported [13:12] dpm, we don't use the upstream imports [13:12] dpm, I though launchpad was not supporting imports from != trunk anyway? [13:13] seb128, danilo no longer works on translations after the squad reorg in Launchpad, only henninge from the old team works on a translations feature right now. They have turned upstream imports now - but that's a good point, I'll check if it supports imports from branches other than trunk [13:14] dpm, right but he might still know what's going on there [13:15] dpm, when you say translations didn't get imported are those .po from the tarball or template? [13:16] seb128, I know, I was just pointing out. It seemed to me that the translations from the .po files did not get imported [13:16] dpm, do you have any example of string wrong or missing? [13:19] seb128, yeah, any of these: https://translations.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gdm/+pots/gdm/ca/+translate?show=untranslated (giving you the staging.lp.net link which contains an older copy of the database, as on production I fixed it for Catalan by manually importing the translations) [13:20] by manually importing the upstream translations, I mean [13:22] Any of the untranslated ones in that URL are present (and completed) upstream, but don't seem to make it to LP through package uploads [13:23] dpm, hum ok, yeah you need a launchpad guy there, I've no clue about that, at last UDS danilo told me that upstream imports would be opt in and not turned on before checking with us and using some testcases first [13:24] we didn't request those to be on for gdm in any case [13:24] seb128, yeah, I'll check with the lp guys, I was just asking you to know which use you made of the upstream branches first [13:24] thanks! [13:24] yw [13:24] let me know what you figure [13:24] I'm curious now ;-) [13:24] will do :-) [13:25] making some session tests, brb :) [13:36] hello everyone! [13:36] hi dpm, I was wondering if you can confirm if this https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/translate-volumes/+merge/55989 requires a UI freeze [13:37] hola nessita, let me have a look... [13:38] dpm: I'm adding a new ui file for translation, that I dumbly forgot to add sooner :-( [13:38] dpm: but it only adds a new string: "Sync locally?" [13:39] nessita, that should be fine. Generally fixing strings that were untranslatable is not a problem. But if you could just send an e-mail to ubuntu-translators@ and ubuntu-doc@ with a heads up so that they know that there are new things to translate, that'd be great [13:40] dpm: thank you very much! I can send an email, no problem [13:40] nessita, excellent, thanks! [13:41] seb128, I haven't found any translations people around yet to answer the question on imports, but on the related question whether upstream imports other than the main branch are supported: for git, they are not, but they soon will be, according to jelmer -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589239/ [13:41] dpm, ok [13:41] hey nessita [13:42] hey seb128! how are you? [13:42] rodrigo__: gdm ported successfully, just that it isn't using the Adwaita theme for some reason [13:43] rodrigo__: its using the old fallback theme with ugly Windows 98 buttons [13:43] nessita, I'm fine thanks, how are you? [13:43] cdbs, gdm ported to what? [13:43] seb128: pretty good, currently on buenos aires on a desktop+ sprint [13:43] seb128: not ported, updated [13:43] nessita, oh, nice ;-) [13:44] seb128: gdm 2.91.94 [13:44] cdbs, you managed to port the stack of patches to the new codebasE? [13:44] seb128: yeah, though it required a headache of work [13:44] I can imagine so [13:44] many seemed to have been accepted upstream [13:44] does it require the new accountservice now? [13:45] seb128: yeah [13:45] it uses libaccountsservice [13:45] you managed to port gdmsetup to that? [13:45] seb128: yeah, magically I changed configure.ac to build it with gtk3 and it build successfully [13:45] and right now I am running a GNOME3 session booted using the version of gdm I just built [13:46] ok, weird that gdmsetup didn't need porting to use the accountservice [13:46] you are sure it's working as it should? [13:46] seb128: yes it is, but I can't be sure about what happened during the build; whether gdmsetup built properly or not [13:47] ok [13:47] seb128: My packaging isn't suitable for the PPA, it would require more pairs of experienced eyes before it enters te PPA [13:47] seb128: the built GDM is in ppa:bilalakhtar/gnome-builds [13:48] ok [13:48] you are sure to find a ton of mistakes in it [13:48] but it still worked, magically [14:02] * bcurtiswx waves to room [14:03] * alex3f waves back to bcurtiswx === smspilla1 is now known as smspillaz [14:04] hey bcurtiswx [14:04] hey seb128, is anyone backporting the patch mentioned in bug #748535 [14:04] Launchpad bug 748535 in empathy "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in event_manager_add" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/748535 [14:04] you? ;-) [14:05] seb128, can do, just making sure i'm not performing a futile action [14:05] go for it [14:05] OK :) === edwardc_ is now known as edwardc [14:10] kenvandine: Gwibber lens doesn't seem to be doing anything for me, is there something I'm meant to do once it's installed? (By nothing I mean there are no quick menus, no tweets/fb entries shown etc) [14:13] davmor2: does normal gwibber work for you? [14:14] davmor2: do other lenses do anything (here none of them work, currently... :P ) [14:14] kamstrup: Yeap [14:14] davmor2, having trouble with the gwibberlense? [14:14] davmor2: have you restarted unity (or fx. logged out/in)? [14:14] kamstrup: I rebooted === kenvandine_ is now known as kenvandine [14:15] kenvandine_: indeed nothing shows up, no quick menus, if I type in a name that is in a recent tweet nothing shows up etc [14:15] kamstrup, i noticed a pretty weird problem... installing the lense on a box that has never had it installed before is "odd" [14:16] davmor2, have you logged out twice? [14:16] kamstrup, i witnessed it 2 machines... had to logout and login 2 times before it populate the sections and the menus [14:17] which just seems impossible [14:17] kenvandine: nope only once after I installed it, I can reboot again if you'd like [14:17] kamstrup, just restarting the service doesn't do it [14:17] it is like the rendering side is confused [14:17] davmor2, please do [14:17] one second [14:18] kenvandine: that can only happen if the daemon somehow keeps running and is in a bad state to begin with [14:18] kenvandine: is there maybe a headless login on the same user account or somethhing? [14:18] kamstrup, is it possible that i am doing something out of order or something... so the first time it runs it doesn't get the model right [14:18] kenvandine: if you log out and log back in it should always work... [14:18] kamstrup, i reproduced it on 2 fresh installs [14:19] kenvandine: and then after that you never see it again? [14:19] never again [14:19] does it do the on disk caching thing? [14:21] kamstrup, note: it isn't just that it isn't displaying results from gwibber... but it isn't populating the quicklists either [14:21] until the second restart [14:21] kenvandine: not unless you use the Dee.ResourceManager (which the unity-place-python example does not) [14:21] mine doesn't [14:21] ok [14:21] the renderer does seem to do some caching [14:21] it always has the last set of results [14:21] kenvandine: Nope, however compiz crashed which triggered unity to restart and then everything showed up :) [14:22] which is awesome [14:22] davmor2, so now it is working? [14:22] kenvandine: it is now indeed [14:22] kenvandine: Unity does "caching" in the sense that all the models are *shared* so they exists both locally on unity and on the daemon and are automagically kept in sync [14:23] kenvandine: and even if the daemon stops unity will still keep the model as it is [14:23] kenvandine: and when the daemon comes back up the models will be synced back into the daemon (from unity) [14:23] kamstrup, so maybe a race condition setting up the model? [14:23] kenvandine: could be, but if you restart or log out nothing should be cached [14:24] kamstrup, i had assumed it was caching on disk since once it works once, it always works reliably [14:24] it is just that first run [14:25] * kenvandine tries to reproduce in a guest session [14:26] kenvandine: no disk caching [14:27] kamstrup, ok, easy to reproduce in a guest session [14:27] you only get that if you explicitly do it yourself [14:27] ok [14:27] kamstrup, so start a guest session [14:28] add a gwibber account [14:28]