[07:37] <tjaalton> uh, so audio doesn't really work when there are more than one users logged on
[07:37] <tjaalton> the first user can choose which output to use, others not so much
[07:46] <TheMuso`> tjaalton: Any of your users in the audio group?
[07:48] <tjaalton> TheMuso`: both
[07:48] <TheMuso`> I suggest you remove them from the audio group then.
[07:48] <tjaalton> oh?
[07:49] <tjaalton> shouldn't this be handled on upgrades then?-)
[07:49] <TheMuso`> Yes, the use of consolekit by pulseaudio means that the audio group only hinders audio working for more than one user.
[07:49] <tjaalton> ok, good to know
[07:49] <TheMuso`> Its been this way for ages.
[07:49] <tjaalton> this is an old install
[07:49] <TheMuso`> Right.
[07:49] <TheMuso`> I don't think the policy is to remove users from groups on upgrade.
[07:49] <TheMuso`> Or add them etc.
[07:50] <TheMuso`> And I am not even sure how one could reliably check for this on upgrade either.
[07:51] <didrocks> good morning
[07:51] <tjaalton> the janitor-thingy might do it
[07:52] <RAOF> didrocks: Good mornin'
[07:52] <TheMuso`> tjaalton: Good thought. I'll put it down as something to investigate next cycle.
[07:53] <tjaalton> TheMuso`: great, thanks
[07:57] <tjaalton> TheMuso`: oh, I know why the users were on those groups.. it's the users and groups admin capplet
[07:57] <TheMuso`> Ah yes.
[07:58] <TheMuso`> That should be fixed in rrecent Ubuntu versions.
[07:58] <tjaalton> I'll try ;)
[07:58] <tjaalton> to see if it's true
[07:59] <tjaalton> didrocks: unity-window-decorator doesn't want to start on display !:0.0 on the first start, is there a bug filed already?
[08:00] <tjaalton> (unity-window-decorator:20170): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[08:00] <tjaalton> compiz --replace fixes that
[08:00] <didrocks> tjaalton: yeah, it's filed and on the top priority list
[08:00] <tjaalton> didrocks: cool
[08:01] <tjaalton> TheMuso`: nu-uh, still adds the user to the audio-group when I tick the box and apply
[08:04] <TheMuso`> tjaalton: Is this natty?
[08:04] <tjaalton> TheMuso`: yes
[08:04] <TheMuso`> And what box are you talking about being ticked?
[08:06] <tjaalton> select the users, click on "additional settings", then "user rights" tab and there select the "can use audio devices" box
[08:07] <TheMuso`> Right, that box should go away entirely I think...
[08:07] <tjaalton> and a whole bunch of others
[08:07] <TheMuso`> I.e for the moment, that shouldn't even be checked, because everyone can use audio regardless of whether that is checked or not.
[08:13] <tjaalton> yep
[08:16] <pitti> Good morning
[08:17] <TheMuso`> Good morning pitti.
[08:19] <didrocks> hey pitti
[08:20] <didrocks> vish: small question, on bug #721121. Shouldn't the icon "user-home" in humanity be the one with the folder drawn?
[08:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 721121 in humanity-icon-theme "Icon in Launcher should be home folder icon" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721121
[08:36] <vish> didrocks: hi, nope.. :)
[08:36] <didrocks> vish: what's the meaning of that lonely icon? ;)
[08:37] <vish> didrocks: i already mentioned on the other bug; but i guess mark is reading only unity bug mail :D
[08:37] <didrocks> vish: let me look at the links then
[08:37] <didrocks> (still through the 800 messages of unity bugmails this week)
[08:38] <vish> didrocks: in short; user-home being a folder is not important; its the same higher level folder as / or any media
[08:38] <didrocks> vish: oh ok, make sense
[08:38] <didrocks> hum, adding a new desktop file seems to be the only solution
[08:39] <popey> morning
[08:41] <didrocks> bryceh: love it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/747014/comments/4
[08:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747014 in unity "Wanda is gone from unity" [Critical,In progress]
[08:42] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:56] <bryceh> didrocks, :-)
[09:07] <cdbs> rodrigo_: Hi, can I try packaging Gdm 2.91 for the GNOME3 PPA?
[09:07] <cdbs> rodrigo_: or have you begun it already?
[09:07] <rodrigo_> cdbs, no, please go
[09:07] <rodrigo_> cdbs, although 3.0.0 is due today, so wait a bit and package that
[09:07] <cdbs> rodrigo_: thanks!
[09:07] <rodrigo_> I am doing gnome-tweak-tool now
[09:07] <cdbs> rodrigo_: Weren't the tarballs due for tomorrow?
[09:08] <cdbs> so that they can release on Wednesdat
[09:08] <cdbs> *Wednesday
[09:10] <rodrigo_> cdbs, today at 23:59 UTC
[09:10] <cdbs> Riddell: hmm
[09:10] <cdbs> Riddell: oops, unping, meant for rodrigo_
[09:11] <rodrigo_> cdbs, but yes, I guess you can start doing 2.91.x and then just update to 3.0 when it's done
[09:11] <cdbs> rodrigo_: yeah, that's what I am doing already
[09:11] <rodrigo_> ok cool
[09:11] <cdbs> rodrigo_: though GDM can be a tough task
[09:11] <rodrigo_> yes
[09:11] <cdbs> its a base thing
[09:12]  * cdbs downloads current gdm deb so that he can deal with failures
[09:12] <rodrigo_> cdbs, look at debian, I guess they have already packaged it, so it should be easier
[09:12] <cdbs> oh they did? nice!
[09:12] <rodrigo_> not sure, check it
[09:12]  * cdbs looks at experimental
[09:12] <cdbs> rodrigo_: nope, they didn't
[09:12] <rodrigo_> ah :(
[09:12] <cdbs> they have 2.20
[09:12] <cdbs> too old
[09:13] <rodrigo_> yes
[09:13] <Laney> look at gdm3
[09:13] <cdbs> Laney: gdm3 is 2.30, again old
[09:13] <Laney> less old :-)
[09:14] <Laney> anyway, it might make sense if you ask on their irc and coordinate efforts
[09:14] <rodrigo_> yes
[09:14] <tjaalton> resizing gnome-terminal doesn't show the terminal size anymore with compiz on natty, but can't find a bug filed against g-t, is it filed elswhere?
[09:15] <rodrigo_> cdbs, as you said, gdm is tricky so if you can get help from them, it will be easier for you
[09:15] <cdbs> rodrigo_: well, yeah, but most of the tricky part is ubuntu-specific stuff like upstart files and ubuntu patches
[09:17] <rodrigo_> cdbs, right
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:35] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Aloha!
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> hi RAOF!
[09:36] <RAOF> I had something to ask you about the unity freeze you were seeing.  What was it…?
[09:36] <RAOF> Oh, yes!
[09:36] <RAOF> Have you reproduced it with drm.debug=0x01 (as mentioned on the bug)?
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> ah, i've not tried it just yet
[09:37] <RAOF> Is it still easily reproducible?
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> i'll reboot in a but with that, and see if it happens again today
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it happened 4 or 5 times yesterday
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> so i should be able to get the information quite quickly ;)
[09:37] <didrocks> hum, nautilus and evolution crashing
[09:38] <didrocks> ok, shouldn't be that, almost no app opens
[09:39] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:39] <seb128> didrocks, what did you do to your box?
[09:40] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Handy hint: echo 0x0e | sudo tee /sys/module/drm/parameters/debug
[09:40] <didrocks> seb128: something evil… upgrading ;)
[09:40] <didrocks> all was going well since morning (for the last 3 hours), then, I decided to upgrade and reboot :)
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, thanks!
[09:41] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:41] <seb128> hey pitti, how are you?
[09:41] <pitti> seb128: pretty well, thanks! the WE was splendid, wholly new feeling to sweat :)
[09:42] <pitti> we had 22 degrees and all sun
[09:42] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: That's going to fill the kernel ringbuffer pretty quickly and start eating /var.  Just in case you wonder why you've run out of disk space :)
[09:42] <pitti> and I started packing and disassembling furniture
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, yeah, i noticed it's quite verbose ;)
[09:42] <seb128> weather was great on a saturday here as well
[09:42] <seb128> but it was raining yesterday
[09:42] <seb128> pitti, when do you move?
[09:43] <pitti> seb128: probably around end of April
[09:43] <pitti> seb128: we have some appointments for visiting flats now
[09:44] <seb128> ok
[09:44] <seb128> pitti, oh btw I'm just catching up with emails, that nautilus abort bug... some users said in a duplicate it happens only when liboverlay-scrollbar is installed
[09:45] <pitti> seb128: the one comment I saw was having dropbox
[09:45] <didrocks> evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in os_pager_move_resize()
[09:45] <seb128> it's not dropbox, it's the scrollbars
[09:45] <cassidy> bcurtiswx, seb128: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646555 has loads of duplicates. Would be good to cherry pick the fix to the natty package
[09:45] <ubot2> Gnome bug 646555 in Contact List "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in event_manager_add" [Major,Resolved: fixed]
[09:45] <didrocks> ok, scrollbars, bye
[09:45] <seb128> hey cassidy, I was going to check on that today since the retracer has closed quite some duplicates of it recently it seems
[09:46] <seb128> didrocks, is that the scrollbars leading to crashes for you?
[09:46] <didrocks> seb128: just a guess, all gtk apps seems weirdly crashy…
[09:46] <didrocks> an seeing this stack…
[09:46] <didrocks> let's have a try
[09:47] <pitti> seb128: hm, I don't even see that package -- it's from a PPA?
[09:47] <pitti> seb128: oh, is that the new DX shiny scrollbars?
[09:47] <seb128> pitti, yes
[09:47] <seb128> it's in a ppa and in NEW
[09:51] <seb128> pitti, see bug #748552
[09:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 748552 in ayatana-scrollbar "With liboverlay-scrollbar installed nautilus crashes with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/748552
[09:51] <rodrigo_> hey seb128
[09:52] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[09:53] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, didrocks, seb128, did you have a good weekend?
[09:54] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, morning rodrigo_
[09:54] <rodrigo_> and yes, hi chrisccoulson, pitti, didrocks and all :)
[09:54] <pitti> chrisccoulson: indeed we had, thanks! was splendid and warm spring weather here
[09:54] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson! Excellent, thanks ;) week-end in family, long walks and such ;)
[09:54] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_
[10:00] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Oh, also on the unity freeze thingy - to give a little more evidence that my hypothesis is correct could you attach gdb to X and check that it's blocked waiting for input rather than in some other point?
[10:07] <seb128> didrocks, did you figure what is causing your crashes?
[10:08] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, the overlay scrollbar, but I had an old version
[10:08] <didrocks> in fact I packaged one of the first version, install them to test, and such
[10:08] <seb128> didrocks, ok
[10:08] <didrocks> then, I removed the ppa and switch to natty gtk which didn't load it
[10:08] <didrocks> until… this upgrade :)
[10:08] <seb128> ;-)
[10:08] <seb128> it shows that the gtk update works at least ;-)
[10:13] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, let's tell it that way :p
[11:02] <vish> seb128 or didrocks : can you sponsor the compiz SRU debdiffs to -proposed » Bug 438868 ?  (trying to get them in before pitt-i makes his SRU rounds)
[11:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 438868 in compiz "Numerous applications have focus issues after emerging from a screensaver or suspend" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438868
[11:02] <seb128> vish, hey
[11:02]  * vish reminds seb128; chrisccoulson is not a core-dev yet.. make him apply! ;)
[11:02] <seb128> compiz should be in the destkop set
[11:02] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it is, but i'm not sure i can upload it in lucid though. i've had trouble uploading lucid SRU's before ;)
[11:03] <seb128> well, he has written his wikipage, I need to put a nice comment on there btw
[11:03] <seb128> what about just trying?
[11:03] <seb128> it should work
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'll try it in a few minutes
[11:03] <vish>  thanks.. :)
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> it would be nice to get that fixed, it's driving jo crazy now she's using firefox 4 ;)
[11:15] <chrisccoulson> pitti - did you put your gnome-python-extras package split anywhere? (the one which didn't build)
[11:15] <chrisccoulson> i can try it again and upload it if you like
[11:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson, btw should be try to get tracker 0.10 synced from debian or something,
[11:16] <seb128> ?
[11:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it's just what is in current bzr, plus http://paste.ubuntu.com/589195/
[11:16] <seb128> it seems like that's the sort of things where we should better get the current serie
[11:16] <pitti>  that seemed the easiest way of disabling a package
[11:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, you mean it should build with the updated firefox now?
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i don't mind. i haven't tried it yet (i haven't looked at tracker in ages)
[11:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I uploaded packagekit, that works great now
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> it probably would be good to have though
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i fixed the xulrunner SDK now
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> thanks for uploading packagekit
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i'm just building icedtea-web now (but i can't upload that one)
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, ha, i just saw a screenshot from a few weeks ago, and thought that unity has definitely progressed a long way since then: http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.png
[11:24] <seb128> nice!
[11:24] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: excellent :)
[11:24] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, :-)
[11:24] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[11:29] <chrisccoulson> pitti - would you mind sponsoring http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/icedtea-web/ when you get a few moments please :)
[11:32] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ooh, sure
[11:32] <pitti> chrisccoulson: done
[11:35] <chrisccoulson> pitti - cool, thanks
[11:35] <pitti> seb128: seems we shouldl make bug 740765 a dupe of 748552 then?
[11:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740765 in nautilus "nautilus crash: assertion failed: (NAUTILUS_IS_VIEW (view))" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740765
[11:35] <seb128> pitti, I was just waiting for some extra confirmations but if you want to do it now feel free
[11:36] <pitti> seb128: ah, ok; let's wait for another confirmation then to be sure
[11:39] <seb128> pitti, btw I didn't get to review libscrollbar-overlay in NEW yet so if you have a free slot and want to do it please do
[11:39] <seb128> I'm still catching up with the bug emails from the weekend
[11:39] <seb128> 350 for my desktop box, over the double for unity
[11:42] <pitti> seb128: urgh
[11:42] <dpm> hi seb128, quick question:
[11:42] <pitti> seb128: yeah, I can review it
[11:42] <dpm> I was trying to find out why the gdm translations did not get imported, and I think it's because of the fact that they are now imported from bzr upstream branches instead of packages. I've noticed that on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gdm the upstream connection is set to the master branch instead of gnome-2-32. I would have thought someone would have noticed if the link is wrong, but perhaps you guys don't use it at all - how do you use
[11:42] <dpm> the upstream bzr branches?
[11:45] <pitti> seb128: more confirmation came in; duplicating now (using the web UI :) )
[11:45] <pitti> blergh, timeout error
[11:45] <pitti> seb128: I already used https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/740765/+duplicate but that times out as well (as expected -- *all* LP pages time out after 11 s)
[11:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740765 in nautilus "nautilus crash: assertion failed: (NAUTILUS_IS_VIEW (view))" [High,Incomplete]
[11:52] <pitti> didrocks: hm, what's the correct spelling of https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/overlay-scrollbar/ubuntu/ ?
[11:52] <pitti> didrocks: it should also use v3 source format, I'll fix that in bzr (as well as Vcs-Bzr) once I know the project name :)
[11:53] <pitti> didrocks: oh, ayatana-scrollbar ?
[11:53] <seb128> didrocks, right
[11:53] <seb128> ups
[11:53] <seb128> pitti, right
[11:53] <didrocks> pitti: v3 source format didn't work with hudson daily build last time I checked
[11:53] <pitti> ah, thanks
[11:54] <seb128> pitti, oh, web ui timeout? duplicate the other way around ;-)
[11:54] <pitti> didrocks: ok, will keep v1 then and just fix vcs-bzr
[11:54] <didrocks> pitti: and yes, the project is called ayatana-scrollbar
[11:54] <pitti> seb128: how?
[11:54] <didrocks> right, thanks ;)
[11:55] <pitti> ah, Ken already did
[11:55]  * pitti fixes Homepage:
[11:57] <pitti> Accepting overlay-scrollbar
[11:58] <pitti> seb128: how does "the other way around" work?
[11:58] <seb128> pitti, keep the one with a stack of duplicate and close the one with a short list
[11:58] <pitti> seb128: ah, ok; I thought more magic :)
[11:58] <seb128> ;-)
[11:58] <seb128> no, but you are right, the ui timeout where there is quite some duplicates to reassign
[11:58] <seb128> got the issue the other day as well
[11:59] <seb128> or just use the lp script if you want, it spam a bit but it's not the end of the world
[11:59] <pitti> ok, done
[12:06] <didrocks> pitti: if you get a chance, can you have a look at bug #744104 ?
[12:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 744104 in unity "Feature Freeze Exception: Animation for Grid Plugin Previews" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744104
[12:16] <davmor2> is anyone else not seeing banshee in the sound indicator anymore?
[12:17] <TheMuso`> davmor2: Yeah can confirm that here.
[12:17] <davmor2> TheMuso`: Thanks.
[12:17] <TheMuso`> np
[12:26] <ogra_> TheMuso`, hey
[12:26] <ogra_> i got a bunch of patches from TI
[12:26] <ogra_> TheMuso`, would you mind taking a look at them ?
[12:27] <TheMuso`> ogra_: Can do so tomorrow, if you can point me at them I'
[12:27] <TheMuso`> ogra_: Can do so tomorrow, if you can point me at them I'll look then.
[12:27] <ogra_> TheMuso`, i'll forward you some mails with explanations from the author, the patches are at http://afuera.cortijodelrio.net/~ddiaz/paucm/
[12:29] <TheMuso`> ogra_: ok thanks. Do you want them all to be considered?
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> vish, tut tut, there's already a -0ubuntu16 version of compiz in the archive (in maverick) ;)
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> heh
[12:30] <ogra_> TheMuso`, not sure they are all needed, we better ask the guy from TI working on them, i just forwarded you a mail with explanations from alejandro
[12:31] <TheMuso`> ogra_: ok thanks.
[12:31] <TheMuso`> Will look tomorrow.
[12:31] <ogra_> thanks, tell me if i can help with anything
[12:31] <TheMuso> ogra_: will do, thanks again.
[12:38] <vish> chrisccoulson: you mean lucid?
[12:40] <chrisccoulson> vish, no, in maverick. you can't have 2 builds with the same version anywhere ;)
[12:40] <chrisccoulson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+publishinghistory
[12:40] <chrisccoulson> there's also a 15.1 already
[12:40] <vish> chrisccoulson: weird, i see only compiz (1:0.8.6-0ubuntu9) maverick and compiz (1:0.8.4-0ubuntu15) lucid here » https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz
[12:41] <chrisccoulson> vish - that doesn't show the publishing history ;)
[12:41] <vish> hmm..
[12:42] <vish> weird.. , i just apt-got the source, and i got only version compiz (1:0.8.6-0ubuntu9.1) maverick-proposed  :(
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> and, they've been rejected anyway ;)
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> i can't upload them
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> never mind!
[12:53] <vish> chrisccoulson: so, i need to make a new debdiff with the right version? (-0ubuntu17)
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> vish - -0ubuntu15.2
[12:54] <vish> ok. :)
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> (you don't want a version newer than what was uploaded to maverick)
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> vish - then i guess you'll need to subscribe sponsors ;)
[12:55] <vish> chrisccoulson: oh! you dont have access for maverick either?
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> vish, no. and neither for natty
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> compiz is in desktop-core
[12:56] <vish> chrisccoulson: dont make me tell seb-128 ! ;p
[12:56] <chrisccoulson> lol
[12:56] <chrisccoulson> i *can* upload it to dapper though if you like ;)
[12:57] <vish> wait! i just noticed that the maverick version was 8.*4*
[12:57] <vish> but this is 8.6
[12:58] <vish> nope. i'm blind :D
[13:00] <vish> or maybe not.. :s .. 1:0.8.4-0ubuntu16 is last maverick that i can see on that link..
[13:02] <vish> and then the 8.6 starts in which 1:0.8.6-0ubuntu9.1 seems latest
[13:03]  * vish gives up, subscribes sponsors and lets them yell at me :)
[13:04]  * rodrigo__ lunch
[13:11] <dpm> hey seb128, I'm not sure you saw my question earlier on: <dpm> I was trying to find out why the gdm translations did not get imported, and I think it's because of the fact that they are now imported from bzr upstream branches instead of packages. I've noticed that on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gdm the upstream connection is set to the master branch instead of gnome-2-32. I would have thought someone would have noticed if the link is wr
[13:11] <dpm> ong, but perhaps you guys don't use it at all - how do you use the upstream bzr branches?
[13:12] <seb128> dpm, did you check with danilo? I though they didn't turn on upstream import for Ubuntu yet?
[13:12] <seb128> or that they would make it an optin on sources you have to ask to be imported
[13:12] <seb128> dpm, we don't use the upstream imports
[13:12] <seb128> dpm, I though launchpad was not supporting imports from != trunk anyway?
[13:13] <dpm> seb128, danilo no longer works on translations after the squad reorg in Launchpad, only henninge from the old team works on a translations feature right now. They have turned upstream imports now - but that's a good point, I'll check if it supports imports from branches other than trunk
[13:14] <seb128> dpm, right but he might still know what's going on there
[13:15] <seb128> dpm, when you say translations didn't get imported are those .po from the tarball or template?
[13:16] <dpm> seb128, I know, I was just pointing out. It seemed to me that the translations from the .po files did not get imported
[13:16] <seb128> dpm, do you have any example of string wrong or missing?
[13:19] <dpm> seb128, yeah, any of these: https://translations.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gdm/+pots/gdm/ca/+translate?show=untranslated (giving you the staging.lp.net link which contains an older copy of the database, as on production I fixed it for Catalan by manually importing the translations)
[13:20] <dpm> by manually importing the upstream translations, I mean
[13:22] <dpm> Any of the untranslated ones in that URL are present (and completed) upstream, but don't seem to make it to LP through package uploads
[13:23] <seb128> dpm, hum ok, yeah you need a launchpad guy there, I've no clue about that, at last UDS danilo told me that upstream imports would be opt in and not turned on before checking with us and using some testcases first
[13:24] <seb128> we didn't request those to be on for gdm in any case
[13:24] <dpm> seb128, yeah, I'll check with the lp guys, I was just asking you to know which use you made of the upstream branches first
[13:24] <dpm> thanks!
[13:24] <seb128> yw
[13:24] <seb128> let me know what you figure
[13:24] <seb128> I'm curious now ;-)
[13:24] <dpm> will do :-)
[13:25] <didrocks> making some session tests, brb :)
[13:36] <nessita> hello everyone!
[13:36] <nessita> hi dpm, I was wondering if you can confirm if this https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/translate-volumes/+merge/55989 requires a UI freeze
[13:37] <dpm> hola nessita, let me have a look...
[13:38] <nessita> dpm: I'm adding a new ui file for translation, that I dumbly forgot to add sooner :-(
[13:38] <nessita> dpm: but it only adds a new string: "Sync locally?"
[13:39] <dpm> nessita, that should be fine. Generally fixing strings that were untranslatable is not a problem. But if you could just send an e-mail to ubuntu-translators@ and ubuntu-doc@ with a heads up so that they know that there are new things to translate, that'd be great
[13:40] <nessita> dpm: thank you very much! I can send an email, no problem
[13:40] <dpm> nessita, excellent, thanks!
[13:41] <dpm> seb128, I haven't found any translations people around yet to answer the question on imports, but on the related question whether upstream imports other than the main branch are supported: for git, they are not, but they soon will be, according to jelmer -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589239/
[13:41] <seb128> dpm, ok
[13:41] <seb128> hey nessita
[13:42] <nessita> hey seb128! how are you?
[13:42] <cdbs> rodrigo__: gdm ported successfully, just that it isn't using the Adwaita theme for some reason
[13:43] <cdbs> rodrigo__: its using the old fallback theme with ugly Windows 98 buttons
[13:43] <seb128> nessita, I'm fine thanks, how are you?
[13:43] <seb128> cdbs, gdm ported to what?
[13:43] <nessita> seb128: pretty good, currently on buenos aires on a desktop+ sprint
[13:43] <cdbs> seb128: not ported, updated
[13:43] <seb128> nessita, oh, nice ;-)
[13:44] <cdbs> seb128: gdm 2.91.94
[13:44] <seb128> cdbs, you managed to port the stack of patches to the new codebasE?
[13:44] <cdbs> seb128: yeah, though it required a headache of work
[13:44] <seb128> I can imagine so
[13:44] <cdbs> many seemed to have been accepted upstream
[13:44] <seb128> does it require the new accountservice now?
[13:45] <cdbs> seb128: yeah
[13:45] <cdbs> it uses libaccountsservice
[13:45] <seb128> you managed to port gdmsetup to that?
[13:45] <cdbs> seb128: yeah, magically I changed configure.ac to build it with gtk3 and it build successfully
[13:45] <cdbs> and right now I am running a GNOME3 session booted using the version of gdm I just built
[13:46] <seb128> ok, weird that gdmsetup didn't need porting to use the accountservice
[13:46] <seb128> you are sure it's working as it should?
[13:46] <cdbs> seb128: yes it is, but I can't be sure about what happened during the build; whether gdmsetup built properly or not
[13:47] <seb128> ok
[13:47] <cdbs> seb128: My packaging isn't suitable for the PPA, it would require more pairs of experienced eyes before it enters te PPA
[13:47] <cdbs> seb128: the built GDM is in ppa:bilalakhtar/gnome-builds
[13:48] <seb128> ok
[13:48] <cdbs> you are sure to find a ton of mistakes in it
[13:48] <cdbs> but it still worked, magically
[14:02]  * bcurtiswx waves to room
[14:03]  * alex3f waves back to bcurtiswx
[14:04] <seb128> hey bcurtiswx
[14:04] <bcurtiswx> hey seb128, is anyone backporting the patch mentioned in bug #748535
[14:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 748535 in empathy "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in event_manager_add" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/748535
[14:04] <seb128> you? ;-)
[14:05] <bcurtiswx> seb128, can do, just making sure i'm not performing a futile action
[14:05] <seb128> go for it
[14:05] <bcurtiswx> OK :)
[14:10] <davmor2> kenvandine: Gwibber lens doesn't seem to be doing anything for me,  is there something I'm meant to do once it's installed?  (By nothing I mean there are no quick menus, no tweets/fb entries shown etc)
[14:13] <kamstrup> davmor2: does normal gwibber work for you?
[14:14] <JanC> davmor2: do other lenses do anything (here none of them work, currently...  :P )
[14:14] <davmor2> kamstrup: Yeap
[14:14] <kenvandine_> davmor2, having trouble with the gwibberlense?
[14:14] <kamstrup> davmor2: have you restarted unity (or fx. logged out/in)?
[14:14] <davmor2> kamstrup: I rebooted
[14:15] <davmor2> kenvandine_: indeed nothing shows up, no quick menus, if I type in a name that is in a recent tweet nothing shows up etc
[14:15] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i noticed a pretty weird problem... installing the lense on a box that has never had it installed before is "odd"
[14:16] <kenvandine> davmor2, have you logged out twice?
[14:16] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i witnessed it 2 machines... had to logout and login 2 times before it populate the sections and the menus
[14:17] <kenvandine> which just seems impossible
[14:17] <davmor2> kenvandine: nope only once after I installed it,  I can reboot again if you'd like
[14:17] <kenvandine> kamstrup, just restarting the service doesn't do it
[14:17] <kenvandine> it is like the rendering side is confused
[14:17] <kenvandine> davmor2, please do
[14:17] <davmor2> one second
[14:18] <kamstrup> kenvandine: that can only happen if the daemon somehow keeps running and is in a bad state to begin with
[14:18] <kamstrup> kenvandine: is there maybe a headless login on the same user account or somethhing?
[14:18] <kenvandine> kamstrup, is it possible that i am doing something out of order or something... so the first time it runs it doesn't get the model right
[14:18] <kamstrup> kenvandine: if you log out and log back in it should always work...
[14:18] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i reproduced it on 2 fresh installs
[14:19] <kamstrup> kenvandine: and then after that you never see it again?
[14:19] <kenvandine> never again
[14:19] <kenvandine> does it do the on disk caching thing?
[14:21] <kenvandine> kamstrup, note: it isn't just that it isn't displaying results from gwibber... but it isn't populating the quicklists either
[14:21] <kenvandine> until the second restart
[14:21] <kamstrup> kenvandine: not unless you use the Dee.ResourceManager (which the unity-place-python example does not)
[14:21] <kenvandine> mine doesn't
[14:21] <kamstrup> ok
[14:21] <kenvandine> the renderer does seem to do some caching
[14:21] <kenvandine> it always has the last set of results
[14:21] <davmor2> kenvandine: Nope, however compiz crashed which triggered unity to restart and then everything showed up :)
[14:22] <kenvandine> which is awesome
[14:22] <kenvandine> davmor2, so now it is working?
[14:22] <davmor2> kenvandine: it is now indeed
[14:22] <kamstrup> kenvandine: Unity does "caching" in the sense that all the models are *shared* so they exists both locally on unity and on the daemon and are automagically kept in sync
[14:23] <kamstrup> kenvandine: and even if the daemon stops unity will still keep the model as it is
[14:23] <kamstrup> kenvandine: and when the daemon comes back up the models will be synced back into the daemon (from unity)
[14:23] <kenvandine> kamstrup, so maybe a race condition setting up the model?
[14:23] <kamstrup> kenvandine: could be, but if you restart or log out nothing should be cached
[14:24] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i had assumed it was caching on disk since once it works once, it always works reliably
[14:24] <kenvandine> it is just that first run
[14:25]  * kenvandine tries to reproduce in a guest session
[14:26] <kamstrup> kenvandine: no disk caching
[14:27] <kenvandine> kamstrup, ok, easy to reproduce in a guest session
[14:27] <kamstrup> you only get that if you explicitly do it yourself
[14:27] <kamstrup> ok
[14:27] <kenvandine> kamstrup, so start a guest session
[14:28] <kenvandine> add a gwibber account
[14:28] <kenvandine> try then lens
[14:28] <kenvandine> it'll be empty and no sections
[14:28] <kenvandine> then
[14:28] <kenvandine> setsid unity
[14:28] <kenvandine> and like magic the lens works
[14:28] <kenvandine> kamstrup, it is very puzzling... :)
[14:29] <kenvandine> kamstrup, it doesn't even get the sections model
[14:30] <kenvandine> kamstrup, yeah, you can reproduce it even without adding a gwibber account
[14:30] <kenvandine> you'll notice there are no sections in the quicklist
[14:30] <kenvandine> but if you "setsid unity"
[14:30] <kenvandine> they show up
[14:30] <kamstrup> kenvandine: lol, sorry dude, works perfectly here :-)
[14:30] <kenvandine> sigh :-D
[14:31] <kenvandine> do you have the ppa version?
[14:31] <kenvandine> maybe it is something i broke :)
[14:33] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/natty/empathy/empathy-2.34.0-0ubuntu2/+merge/56161 when you get some free time
[14:33] <kenvandine> kamstrup, try again
[14:34] <kenvandine> out of 5 attempts in a guest session it worked twice for me
[14:34] <kenvandine> so gotta be a race
[14:35] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, sure
[14:37] <kenvandine> kamstrup, ok... this is getting freaking weird by the minute
[14:37] <kenvandine> after a bunch of attempts in a guest session it is working everytime
[14:38] <kenvandine> but adding a new user and logging in it fails the first time
[14:38] <kenvandine> but the guest session gets cleaned up each time!
[14:39] <kenvandine> anyway, it does make it seem like a race condition, which of course can be unpredictable :)
[14:44] <JanC> isn't it possible to put windows back on the right workspace after a unity/compiz crash?
[14:49] <seb128> JanC, no, that's compiz which has the infos about those
[14:49] <seb128> so when it crashes it get a clean state
[14:49] <seb128> well it would be possible I guess but time is better spent on fixing the crashers ;-)
[14:51] <JanC> seb128: it seems to remember some of it, as it puts the workspaces in a different order, and then moves the windows slightly such that they end up partly off-screen
[14:53] <rodrigo__> cdbs, I think it's because we change the gsettings-desktop-schemas package to have another default theme
[14:53] <cdbs> rodrigo_: oh thanks for figuring it out
[14:59] <cdbs> rodrigo_: so, what is to blame for that? gdm or gsettings-desktop-schemas?
[15:09] <rodrigo_> cdbs, well, the problem is that we should set gsettings-desktop-schemas to use a default theme that we ship
[15:09] <rodrigo_> cdbs, so if we indeed have a patch in g-d-s to change the them, it's g-d-s' fault
[15:09] <rodrigo_> cdbs, can you check if that's the problem?
[15:10] <cdbs> rodrigo_: I apt-get sourced the g-d-s package and I found it to be setting Adwaita as the default theme
[15:10] <cdbs> rodrigo_: That seemed to be for the whole interface
[15:10] <cdbs> rodrigo_: I couldn't find a GDM-specific key for it
[15:12] <cdbs> rodrigo_: leave it, I am not uploading gdm to the GNOME3 ppa right now, I just left it in my own ppa, I'll see after the final release
[15:12] <cdbs> where final release is GNOME 3 final release
[15:13] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, thx for the merge
[15:14] <rickspencer3> hey all
[15:14]  * bcurtiswx waves at rickspencer3 
[15:14] <rickspencer3> :)
[15:14] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, seb128, pitti, etc...
[15:14] <rickspencer3> it's beta 1 plus a few days, what's the work ont he street?
[15:15] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[15:15] <rodrigo_> cdbs, hmm, ok, I thought we had a patch
[15:15] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, back home?
[15:15] <rodrigo_> cdbs, and afaik, gdm should be using the default, so not sure who to blame now then
[15:15] <cdbs> rodrigo_: /me scans accross GDM source code to see how its determining the theme
[15:16] <seb128> rickspencer3, lot of bug feedback over launchpad during the weekend, having reading though most of it desktop seems solid, unity seems quite stable now but lot of small issues
[15:16] <rickspencer3> pitti, yeah, got back yesterday evening
[15:16] <rickspencer3> seb128, do you think unity is going to be ready to ship by beta 2?
[15:16] <rickspencer3> seb128, I mean, what's your gut feel?
[15:16] <pitti> it's still very crashy
[15:16] <pitti> but I think it'll be good, if they keep the current bug fix pace
[15:17] <seb128> pitti, is it?
[15:17] <pitti> seb128: not for you?
[15:18] <pitti> it's a lot better than in beta-1, though
[15:18] <seb128> pitti, I didn't get any crash for 3 weeks out of stress testing it to make it crash which worked once
[15:18] <seb128> rickspencer3, seems fine to ship to me, it's not like we ever have a bug free product
[15:18] <rickspencer3> the only time I get any kind of instability is when I am in multi-mon
[15:27] <didrocks> pitti: if it's very crashy, please tell us, we have very few crashes since last update
[15:28] <pitti> didrocks: I'll apport it the next time it goes boom
[15:28] <didrocks> thanks :)
[15:32] <seb128> mvo, bug #742935
[15:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 742935 in aptdaemon "aptd crashed with OSError in release(): [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742935
[15:32] <seb128> mvo, that one got several recent duplicate
[15:33] <mvo> seb128: thanks, I check it out
[15:33] <seb128> mvo, there is another one about unicode error but it's on the natty list so I guess it's on your list right?
[15:34] <seb128> bug #730643 as well
[15:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 730643 in software-properties "software-properties-gtk crashed with Error in setlocale(): unsupported locale setting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/730643
[15:35] <seb128> not sure if it's a pitti thing due to the gi port though
[15:35] <mvo> seb128: the aptdaemon unicode one I have a branch ready
[15:35] <mvo> I had hoped that glatzor is able to have a look, but if he dosn't in the next days I will merge/upload
[15:35] <seb128> ok
[15:36] <pitti> seb128, mvo: I can have a look at the s-p-g crash
[15:36] <seb128> pitti, that would be great thanks, doesn't seem to be gi related but it started this cycle
[15:36] <seb128> or it's frequent nowadays for some reason
[15:36] <pitti> seb128: coudl be related to more detailled locale setting in gdm
[15:36] <seb128> right
[15:37] <seb128> pitti, btw I've a go at fixing the retracers
[15:37] <pitti> seb128: argh, they crashed again?
[15:37] <seb128> yes
[15:37] <pitti> what is it this time?
[15:37] <seb128> the amd64 without a reason, I restarted it and it's going through python duplicate fine still
[15:38] <seb128> the i386 one crashes on ['apt-get', '-y', '--allow-unauthenticated', 'dist-upgrade']
[15:38] <seb128> I'm logging in manually to see what fails to upgrade
[15:40] <seb128> pitti, it's the udev upgrade which breaks it
[15:41] <pitti> ah, needs set -e removed from the postinst again
[15:42] <seb128> pitti, well I usually just rm the postinst
[15:42] <seb128> that's not like those were boxes that need to start or have a working udev ;-)
[15:51] <seb128> dobey, hi, we got another g-s-d crash bug from natty due to the quota dialog
[15:52] <seb128> dobey, do you think you can work on it before natty?
[15:53] <dobey> seb128: ok
[15:53] <seb128> dobey, thanks
[15:57] <dobey> seb128: i think we are going to remove that part of the plug-in, in favor of other integration points with unity
[15:57] <seb128> dobey, if you could just drop a comment on the bug from the other day to say you will work on it that would be nice since the submitter since quite responsive and sort of corporate user with landscape support
[15:58] <seb128> dobey, ok, I'm find either way, as long as g-s-d stops crashing and that the submitter see that we are taking care of the issue ;-)
[15:58] <dobey> seb128: right, yes, i will fix it today even.
[15:59] <seb128> dobey, great, thanks
[16:07] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i just reviewed https://code.launchpad.net/~psusi/ubuntu/natty/upower/sleep/+merge/54093, but you should probably have overall authority on that. you might want to take a look at it at some point
[16:08] <dobey> seb128: so there's a couple g_return_if_fail_warning crashes i see in g-s-d filed under ubuntuone. but it looks like it's crashing in libc or in glib maybe
[16:27] <seb128> doh, mvo is making the retracer life hard ;-)
[16:31] <seb128> dobey, do you have examples?
[16:34] <dobey> seb128: bug #744758
[16:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 744758 in ubuntuone-client "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_return_if_fail_warning()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744758
[16:34] <dobey> seb128: it seems to be crashing in vasprintf internals, which is a bit weird
[16:35] <seb128> dobey, could be a corruption issue
[16:35] <seb128> dobey, or an invalid translation
[16:35] <seb128> like not using the right format
[16:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm aware of it, thanks
[16:43] <seb128> pitti, seems quite some users ran into #713863
[16:43] <seb128> it's jockey crash
[16:44] <dobey> seb128: sorry, broken wifi toggle button on this laptop
[16:44] <seb128> sorry guys, I've been doing some duplicate counting in the retracer log to see frequent python crashers
[16:45] <pitti> seb128: thanks, assigned to me
[16:45] <pitti> seb128: no need to be sorry; I'm so glad that you do this kind of urgent bug review!
[16:45] <seb128> ;-)
[16:45] <seb128> it's just mvo who hates me after it because he has some of the most frequent ones ;-)
[16:46] <seb128> mvo, #728713 is a s-c one
[16:46] <pitti> well, hate isn't proportional to frequency, but to difficulty :) (for developers anyway)
[16:48] <seb128> bug #736507 as well
[16:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 736507 in update-manager "update-manager crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _convert_struct(): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 100: ordinal not in range(128)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736507
[16:51] <mvo> thanks seb128
[16:51] <seb128> mvo, sorry for spamming you ;-)
[16:54] <bcurtiswx> cassidy, how would I get a subscription request box to pop up?  I'm testing a fix to gnome bug #646654
[16:54] <ubot2> Gnome bug 646654 in Contact List "Empathy subscription request dialog box should be more helpful" [Trivial,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646654
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i have a patch for the gsd/u1-plugin crasher
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> it also makes g-s-d actually shut down properly
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> (it just spins the CPU for ages on shutdown atm)
[17:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, nice, tell dobey when he's back
[17:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the quota crasher?
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - bug 744758
[17:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 744758 in ubuntuone-client "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_return_if_fail_warning()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744758
[17:35] <seb128> oh, that one
[17:35] <seb128> nice catch
[17:35] <seb128> sorry we discussed 2 issues earlier and I was still set on the other one
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - that one has been an issue for ages, but i never actually sat down to investigate it properly
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> i'm sure it's a problem on maverick too
[17:36] <seb128> the bug is a lucid one...
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> it stops gsd from quitting properly too
[17:36] <seb128> so it's likely an issue since at least lucid
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> brb, i need to restart xchat now i've been playing with g-s-d ;)
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> that's better :)
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> i don't have an xchat window that looks like it came from the 1970s now
[17:50] <kenvandine> seb128, i fixed bug 746962, looks like it was a copy paste of the bug i fixed in 739319
[17:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746962 in indicator-me "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGABRT in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746962
[17:50] <seb128> kenvandine, right, that's what I assumed when I read it, thanks
[17:50] <kenvandine> seb128, i reviewed the rest of the service, only other g_error is if we can't get on the bus at all
[17:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the theming issue is fixed in gtk3 it seems
[17:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, i.e applications not picking up the theme correctly
[17:51] <seb128> kenvandine, ok great
[17:52] <seb128> kenvandine, do you know why the username fetching fails for those btw? what will be displayed instead?
[17:53] <kenvandine> so should be good
[17:54] <kenvandine> i can't reproduce the failure
[17:54] <kenvandine> but it'll be an empty string
[17:55] <kenvandine> actually, it'll just never set_label
[17:55] <kenvandine> set_text on the label rather
[17:56] <kenvandine> same for the status icon, it just won't set it
[18:34] <pitti> good night everyone!
[18:41] <didrocks> good night pit
[18:41] <didrocks> pitti*
[18:41]  * didrocks can't type anymore
[18:56] <davmor2> kenvandine: I have one issue with the gwibber-lens it's not obvious which order the posts are in.  Does it go down the columns left to right or along the rows left to right?
[18:57] <davmor2> kenvandine: the issue is only raised because in gwibber you go down the column rather than across.  It is still pretty cool though :)
[18:59] <kenvandine> yeah... i have the same complaint
[18:59] <kenvandine> davmor2, unfortunately i can't control that, the renderer does
[18:59] <kenvandine> left to right does feel weird for this
[19:00] <kenvandine> davmor2, i am hoping to convince njpatel to create a single column version of the render
[19:00] <kenvandine> davmor2, i suspect there will be bribing involved at UDS :)
[19:02] <davmor2> kenvandine: get him drunk to the point where he'll say yeah to anything record it then dub the question in before, then he has to he said yeah :D
[19:59] <tedg> Is there a way to find out what version of indicator-appmenu this stack trace aligns with?  bug 738561
[19:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 738561 in indicator-appmenu "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__OBJECT()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/738561
[20:27] <chrisccoulson> dobey, did you see the patch on bug 744758?
[20:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 744758 in ubuntuone-client "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_return_if_fail_warning()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744758
[20:28] <dobey> chrisccoulson: no not yet.
[20:30] <dobey> chrisccoulson: hrmm. weird. are you going to propose an upstream branch for that?
[20:30] <chrisccoulson> dobey, yeah, can do
[20:33] <dobey> chrisccoulson: great, thanks
[20:39] <bcurtiswx> cassidy, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646654
[20:39] <ubot2> Gnome bug 646654 in Contact List "Empathy subscription request dialog box should be more helpful" [Trivial,New]
[21:14] <nagappan_> in #ubuntu-testing, I asked patrickmw the following info, pasting here, can someone help us ?
[21:14] <nagappan_> nagappan_> patrickmw, okay, the reason I ask is, in VMware Workstation, we have Unity functionality, where the guest window will appear as on of the host application window
 patrickmw, in Ubuntu 11.04 I don't see the menu in this window
 patrickmw, if we can enable / disable the menu bar at run-time, that will be nice ;-)
[21:14] <nagappan_> patrickmw suggested me to check here, thanks patrickmw :-)
[22:03] <SpamapS> In Unity sometimes I swear the launcher just stays visible and won't go away.
[22:04] <SpamapS> I have to close or open a program to make it slide back away
[22:04] <SpamapS> am I crazy?
[22:04] <Ampelbein> SpamapS: I have the same problem, so we are crazy together \o/
[22:05] <Ampelbein> it seems to have something to do with clicking launcher then switching to another window without waiting for the program to load.
[22:07] <SpamapS> Hmm that doesn't seem to do it for me.
[22:09] <Ampelbein> it's not always happening for me, so maybe it's only a coincidence.
[22:09] <SpamapS> I can't put a finger on when it stays stuck.. but when its stuck its very annoying because its not clear how to make it go away. :-P
[23:07] <nagappan_> patrickmw, can I ping someone is specific ?
[23:10] <nagappan_> patrickmw, found something interesting online, but this requires to be changed before any app started or restart the system - http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/disable-appmenu-global-menu-in-ubuntu.html
[23:10] <nagappan_> patrickmw, not at runtime
[23:12] <patrickmw> nagappan_, nice.  try asking the guy who wrote the blog :)
[23:12] <nagappan_> patrickmw, finding some more useful info here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationMenu
[23:13] <patrickmw> nagappan_, I really don't know the answer, so you may want to ask again
[23:13] <nagappan_> patrickmw, sure
[23:13] <nagappan_> patrickmw, np
[23:25] <nagappan> is there a way to disable the appmenu at run-time ? rather than before starting the app ?