[00:00] omg, the window management is just excellent. the ctrl-alt numpad and ctrl-alt-(shift)left/right [00:00] yeah [00:00] I keep telling people it has advanced stuff [00:00] they just don't like that it's missing what they consider advanced [00:01] i know rick_h_ thinks it blase, but IMO it is great. [00:01] heh [00:01] rick is content in tiling land [00:01] which is totally fine [00:01] just not for me [00:01] the ctrl-alt numpad stuff just feels perfect to me. [00:01] http://i.imgur.com/zw1kh.jpg [00:02] we've actually had that feature for like 3 years [00:02] just never turned it on! [00:02] lolz [00:02] lolz to the image too [00:03] ok, so i can configure "broadcast accounts" but what do I use to read and post to them? (twitter) [00:03] gwibber [00:03] or "social network" or something like that [00:03] dunno, I use seesmic [00:03] seesmic web ftw [00:07] that works great. ty. [00:09] impressive, you triaged it last july. good memory! [00:12] ah! [00:12] you can shut off the global menu for certain apps [00:12] as a workaround [00:12] actually, we do that for the one in the archive iirc [00:13] is there a way I can view the source of this patch on the web? https://bugs.launchpad.net/dbusmenu/+bug/606470/comments/3 [00:14] http://askubuntu.com/questions/6784/is-it-possible-to-make-indicator-appmenu-ignore-a-specific-application [00:14] yeah, one sec [00:14] who can I tell that the svn url here https://code.launchpad.net/monodevelop is wrong... its actually http://github.com/mono/monodevelop now instead of that svn url [00:15] oh, I can change that actually [00:15] jrwren: can you ask about the monodevelop patch on askubuntu? [00:15] I'd like to just start building up the info there [00:16] whilst I fix this URL [00:16] sounds good [00:18] i'll bet teh workaround works. [00:20] it does [00:20] we have the same issue with like eclipse [00:20] programs that generate dynamic menus (like IDEs) are problematic unfortunately [00:24] http://askubuntu.com/questions/33384/how-can-i-see-the-monodevelop-patch-in-bug606470 [00:25] i tried to tag with monodevelop and UBUNTU_MENUPROXY but I dont' have the rep for new tags [00:32] I'll tag it right [00:38] so the monodevelop.in file just generates the menushortcut eh? hrm... i sure would like a more general fix. [00:38] What is the recommendation? will the menu proxy support dynamic menus eventually? [00:39] libappmenu... i'll check out their bugs and discussions on dynamic menus [00:39] thanks for the help jcastro [00:39] I am not sure [00:39] outside of the patch and bug workflow we're in your neck of the woods. [00:40] jrwren: found it [00:41] and answered [00:47] anchorman is perhaps the greatest movie ever, nuff said [01:27] jjesse: I completely disagree with the Anchorman assessment. :) [01:27] really? [01:27] love that movie [01:27] talledega nights is a close 2nd [01:54] Gooooood eeeevening [01:55] holy crap: https://ftbeowulf.wordpress.com/2011/04/03/disapointment-in-rochester/ [01:55] that sucks [01:55] he put a lot of effort into that, it looks like [01:58] Oh man, that sucks. [02:01] yea, ouch [02:02] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/58/detail/ [02:03] why hello there! [02:03] meeting time! [02:03] Long time no see. :) [02:04] I think the West MI folks might not be as well represented. === greg-g changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-mi to: Michigan LoCo | Wiki: http://ur1.ca/33fhq | LP: http://ur1.ca/33fhw | MailingList: http://ur1.ca/33fhy | Check out MUG: http://www.mug.org and CHC: http://ur1.ca/33fin | Michigan Repository Mirror at OU: http://ubuntu.secs.oakland.edu/ | This channel is now logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [02:04] yeah, :/ [02:05] I'm kinda upset at the host at ABC [02:05] yeah, me too, not the best way to deal with that situation [02:05] he was one of those "but I must follow every rule blindly" [02:06] oh well [02:06] And the Blue Tractor was packed as well with an hour wait [02:06] geez [02:06] Apparently AA was bumpin' [02:06] sorry about that guys [02:07] np [02:07] not your fault [02:07] I blame the rest of AA. :) [02:07] haha [02:08] so, yeah, meeting.... [02:09] So, first up: Natty Release Party is on [02:09] Penguicon, Friday, 7pm [02:09] rock [02:09] Be there, or don't. [02:09] woot [02:09] awesome. Thanks for taking the lead on that one [02:09] I think next year we might want to look into a room party [02:09] that's always fun [02:09] there's nothing official about the release party, so if the bar is full, we're SOL [02:09] right right :/ [02:10] I asked about putting it in the program, but since it's not in an official space, no program mention [02:10] gotcha [02:10] The bar is rennovated, so it may be a little more spacious [02:10] oh, cool, good to know [02:10] I know last year it was a tad crowded [02:11] Also, there's a Natty release panel scheduled for Penguicon [02:11] so if you want to talk Natty, please come to the panel [02:11] even if you don't, you can act as bouncers. ;) [02:11] bring your own sunglasses and wife-beater T-shirts. [02:11] I have some extras [02:12] Seriously, though, should be good, and from what I've seen of this release tonight, it should be a pretty congenial panel [02:12] cool, so, other than blogging/mailing list/twitter announcements, anything we need to do between now and then? [02:12] Not to my knowledge [02:12] cool [02:12] Just let folks know that they need to register for P-con [02:13] And register soon if they want to participate and haven't registered yet. [02:13] * greg-g nods [02:13] * rick_h_ whistles [02:13] and tell Rick that he'll be leading the panel [02:13] rick_h_: see above. ;) [02:14] panel? missed that [02:14] hah! [02:14] :) [02:14] "Unity from the outsider's perspective" [02:15] Nah, I think he'll need to go deep to be able to lead it [02:15] We'll install Natty on his laptop from scratch [02:15] was that Rochester, MI or MN or NY? [02:15] NY [02:15] jrwren: ny, I believe [02:15] yea, they've had some good loco stuff up there, suprised at that [02:16] anything else on release stuff / Penguicon? [02:16] don't think so [02:16] MUG Meeting: As far as I can tell, we're OK to sponsor either June or July [02:17] I think we need to firm up our plans on what to present and just let MUG know [02:17] did we raise the $$ greg-g ? [02:17] so... I need to do another press for donations/memberships, I only have us three :/ [02:17] actually, did I donate to that? [02:17] should have pressed today. [02:17] rick_h_: yeah, you did, and snap-l [02:17] I think I did, but don't recall [02:17] k [02:17] heh, sucky [02:17] yeah, I totally forgot, I thought about it last night in bed :( [02:17] Yeah, I forgot to mention it as well [02:17] well yea, maybe do a "we only need XX more" call [02:18] I'll mention it at the MUG meeting as well [02:19] cool, I want to blog about it, I think [02:19] Then we can post it on reddit... [02:19] (I added tasks for release party to the agenda) [02:19] heh [02:20] I added the Natty release party to th events schedule [02:20] awesome [02:20] Next thing that I had was using the events calendar over the Google calendar [02:20] yeah, so, have you used it in evolution yet? how does it do? [02:20] but I don't think it's there yet [02:21] It doesn't do the time zones properly [02:21] and meetings aren't showing up [02:21] so we'll need to update both until it gets fixed up better. [02:21] hmmm, ok... so, we'll just keep an eye on that one [02:21] (which is a bummer) [02:22] yeah [02:22] That's all that I had on the agenda [02:22] cool [02:22] yeah, so, I think that's good [02:23] btw, does anyone know if I add an ical URL in gcal, if it periodically updates/pulls from that ical url? [02:23] Yeah, it should [02:23] cool, never used it like that before [02:23] not sure what the polling rate is [02:23] just added it to test [02:23] Under evo you can set the polling timeframe [02:23] * greg-g nods [02:24] Google Calendar gets the tz right [02:24] yeah [02:24] our events line up with what was in the original gcal we have [02:24] well hell, the meeting is showing up now [02:24] when I checked earlier, it wasn't. [02:25] Doing a quick check w/ google -> evo [02:25] * greg-g nods [02:28] Evolution doesn't like it [02:29] lame [02:29] Well, it doesn't allow me to set the timezone for it [02:29] otherwise, it would work perfectly. [02:29] Google manages to get it right [02:29] my bar just crashed... wtf is the bar called? I didn't get an appport for it either :( [02:30] weird [02:30] that's the hardest part for me, relearning what things are call in this new paradigm :) [02:30] just call it the mark bar [02:30] so, release party announcement stuff, and MUG sponsorship pressing, I think thats all we got [02:31] any good ideas for the MUG thing? [02:31] Q&A on broadcom cards. ;) [02:32] I mean, how to get money :) [02:32] I was going to talk about PPA stuff [02:32] Bake sale [02:32] heh [02:32] good uses, examples, how to get stuff from there [02:32] rick_h_: that's awesome [02:32] cool, I like [02:32] not sure I'll get all into building your own [02:33] but more as an undisovered resource [02:33] yeah [02:33] still good [02:34] greg-g: I think posting to the list as a reminder [02:35] and mentioning it at the release party [02:35] and broadcasting at MUG [02:35] Also, garnisheeing paychecks [02:35] that should do it [02:35] yea, will try to recall to bring up at CCHC [02:35] and CHC [02:35] and bring my enforcement bat [02:35] rock [02:36] gah, typing lag sucks [02:36] I'll send a reminder to the list [02:38] Also, huge thanks to SRT for the space, and thanks to everyone that came on out [02:38] it was amazing and awesome! [02:38] yay [02:38] word! [02:38] thanks again, jrwren [02:39] always love going there [02:39] Yes, thank you do much jsjgruber_ [02:39] er, jrwren [02:39] heh [02:39] (blasted tab complete) [02:40] (I don't know why IRC tab complete is always implemented badly, instead of how it is done on BASH, where if there are more than one possible completion, it just makes you type more) [02:40] a-yep [02:40] That was a nice location at SRT. [02:40] :) [02:46] Anything else anyone would like to add? [02:46] * greg-g shakes his head [02:46] I'm writing up the MUG sponsorship reminder now [02:46] heh [02:46] and will do a thanks for coming to the jam post soon [02:47] OK, so with that, I think we'll call this meeting closed for now [02:47] brousch: You made it home OK? [02:48] snap-l: thanks for creating that agenda/meeting page [02:48] Hey, NP [02:48] I'll copy that over for the next meeting [02:48] rock [02:49] though I think we'll want to reschedule the meeting to perhaps Monday [02:49] or the next Sunday, since it'll be after P-con weekend [02:50] Anyone opposed to making it the 7th? [02:50] er, 8th? [02:50] we just got back. ended up eating at the indian place [02:50] brousch: Ah, very cool [02:50] brousch: I've only been there once, during "Restuarant Week" (which means, it was busy), how was it? [02:51] brousch: Thank you for bringing the beer [02:51] The Scotch Ale was awesome. [02:51] snap-l: the 8th sounds good to me [02:51] snap-l: yes, thank you so much for the beer [02:51] brousch: yes, thank you so much for the beer [02:51] :) [02:51] brousch: Next time I see you, beer is on me. :) [02:52] it was awesome food [02:53] and it was empty [02:53] blue nile was empty too [02:54] Bah, maybe next time, then [02:55] snap-l: MUG indivindual membership is $35? [02:55] Yessir [02:56] thankya sir [02:57] y'know, the site doesn't have that info on it [02:59] nope [02:59] Figured there'd be a "Membership" page or similar [02:59] You would think [03:00] ok, bedtime [03:00] seeyou tomorrow [03:00] brousch: g'night, great seeing.... [03:00] you... [03:03] snap-l: I'm thinking a deadline for the sponsorship might be a good idea, what should it be to be convenient for MUG? [03:03] end of April? May? [03:11] hurm... I think May should work [03:11] but have NFC otherwise. [03:11] I'll ask [03:11] k [03:11] I'll wait on the reminder then [03:12] Go ahead and send it out [03:12] I'd rather not have you wait on us [03:12] ok [03:13] Yea, shoot for may 1 [03:13] * greg-g nods [03:13] I don't kinow why we can't get it settled in 30 days [03:13] Yeah, it should be oK [03:14] and gives up last minute time to collect $$ at PC [03:17] * greg-g nods [03:42] http://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/GlobalJam20110403 [03:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/749885 my bug about the LD and flickr photos :) [03:48] Hey jcastro [03:48] snap-l: nice photos [03:49] yo [03:52] greg-g: Thanks! [03:52] btw: got a response back from Cloudkicker, so hoping to have a show with them [03:52] http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/04/03/introducing-booki-only-for-developers/ [03:52] They're one of my favorite new CC discoveries. :) [03:52] 0.1 is there, yay [03:52] bookie [03:52] I think you made a typo [03:52] crap, url didn't change [03:53] dammit, just put on twitter, [03:53] gah! [03:53] never fails. ;) [03:57] ok, updated [03:57] and wordpress seems smart to redirect the bad url to the good one [04:05] sweetness. [04:06] ok, time to rest, 0.2 starts tomorrow [04:09] :) g'night rick_h_ [04:20] I'm on a roll: http://blog.grossmeier.net/2011/04/03/mug-sponsorship/ === mike is now known as Guest64848 === shortcir1uit is now known as shortcircuit [13:14] snap-l: awesome https://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/GlobalJam20110403#5591551832529688354 === greg_g is now known as greg-g [13:36] woot! first python based trigger for postgresql working [13:44] rick_h__: do i know will fuqua? [13:46] brousch: yea, Blazeix_ === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [13:47] ah, ok [13:47] darn non-real-name-like irc handles [14:04] brousch: Heh. :) [14:16] Meetings Meetings, causing a commotion; giving me the notion that I won't get shit done today. [14:18] hah, didn't think you had them on monday [14:19] Normally have two [14:19] but today I have three, because I wanted to do the weekly review that I couldn't do on Friday [14:19] So we can talk about the next iteration of the thing that we haven't completely released the latest iteration of. ;) [14:22] Considering it's 6:30am for anyone on west-coast time, this should be fun [14:23] hah [14:30] And I'm still listening to conference call music [14:30] I feel a reschedule in my future [14:33] Well well well, we're on [14:36] fancy that [14:37] anyone need a coffee table? glass top with metal base [14:39] I'm set for coffeetables at the moment, thanks [14:39] rick_h__: sounds hazardous [14:40] got the giant ottoman so no need for it now [14:41] brousch: survived a long time without injury [14:41] does your boy climb? [14:42] yea, but he's not allowed downstairs so it's not been an issue [14:42] hehe [14:42] ...yet... [14:45] time to write up my unity love post [14:46] snap-l: +1 for filking the Narwhals tune [14:49] filk? film? [14:51] filk [14:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filk [14:52] see "used as a verb" definition #2 [14:53] and for goodness sake, attend a Tom Smith concert at Penguicon!!! [14:58] wow, apparently a couple of my coworkers were interested in the jam yesterday. I guess I need to publisize more. [14:58] mabye they are just saying that though. [14:59] it was the beer :P [14:59] Beer and people [14:59] there was beer? Damn. ;-) [15:00] Sadly, it was in AA on a weekend. I'm near AA all week long. Decided I really ought to spend the weekend at home with family. [15:01] bah, family [15:01] If I'd gone, I may as well have stayed in Dundee for the night :-p [15:01] It's not like AA is across the damn planet. ;) [15:02] Yeah, and I've got all those west-siders that showed up making me look bad, too [15:02] yep. ;) [15:02] but again, I'm only home 2 days a week, so, you know... [15:03] my wife likes to see her husband sometimes [15:05] Hmm. Gmail still says "Coming Soon: Better ads in Gmail." [15:05] I thought that was an April Fool's joke [15:05] Hah [15:05] YOU THOUGHT WRONG [15:05] Google's always there [15:05] pretending to not be evil [15:05] Sucking away at your information.. =P [15:07] The Japanese word of the day is コギャル. Which means "teenage girl who wears gaudy clothes". That's one heck of a specific word... [15:08] And I bet it gets used a TON in Japan =P [15:14] ok, i won't talk smack about metallica anymore. S&M is great to code to. [15:15] in the us we call them teeny boppers. [15:15] S&M coding? [15:16] Is that all the ease-of-reading of Perl combined with the freedom and power of Java? [15:19] any coding is S&M coding. [15:21] So many ways to go completely wrong with that thread. [15:22] SQL like a pig? [15:24] Is throwing an exception like a safe word? [15:25] from now on, my error message variables will all be safeword :) [15:25] heh [15:26] WEEEEEeeeee [15:26] I knew MySQL was a rapist. [15:26] rick_h_: great chat w/Michael Foord about testing [15:27] "Now let's just see you DROP that database." "Drop?" "Just take it right out" [15:27] snap-l: LOL' [15:27] binbrain: cool, glad you liked it [15:28] ok, SQL quiz time since it came up: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/270/ [15:28] I'm missing the right way to do this [15:28] and I can't find my Sql Cookbook [15:29] one->many relation and I want to join them, but only grab the 'latest' of the many side [15:29] doing it this way is waaaay to slow [15:29] i don't think you need the subquery. [15:29] is HotAlert_Detail"."InsertDate" indexed? [15:30] just a regular join with the groupby and having. === Guest64848 is now known as ColonelPanic001 [15:30] bah, that was a bad reduction of the original query [15:30] missing the join correctly [15:30] oh, you can't aggregate on the same field you are grouping can you? [15:31] err, no. hrm.. [15:31] no, that should work. [15:31] k, trying to clean it up, sec [15:31] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/271/ [15:32] the problem is if I do the MAX I have to add all the columns from the tables into the gruop by [15:32] right, but too many rows to do it outside like that [15:32] I want to limit the join to only a small subset first [15:33] do it select n+1 then? [15:34] i can't believe I just suggested that :) [15:34] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/272/ [15:35] thanks, smoser ! (you know what for!) [15:35] see, if you do that have to do a massive group by of all the cols [15:35] umm, ok... greg-g :P [15:35] greg-g, no problem. other people send greg-g money for mug if you have not done so. [15:35] rick_h__: MUG sponsorship (i hope its ok I outed him like that :) ) [15:35] cool, yea definitely. Shame those that have not contrib'd [15:35] :P [15:35] did you talk to jorge about getting some money from canonical? [15:36] surely we can scrape up $50 [15:36] no, we want to do this as community [15:36] the idea is the loco as a community org helping a LUG and such [15:37] the power of the community! [15:37] yea, I mean we've only had some 4 people donate and there's 8+ that go to MUG [15:37] shouldn't be an issue [15:37] * greg-g nods [15:39] we're 2/3's of the way there, btw [15:41] what is the money for? [15:42] greg-g, ^^ [15:42] http://blog.grossmeier.net/2011/04/03/mug-sponsorship/ [15:44] where are we at? [15:44] 2/3 done [15:44]