[00:00] <jrwren> omg, the window management is just excellent.  the ctrl-alt numpad and ctrl-alt-(shift)left/right
[00:00] <jcastro> yeah
[00:00] <jcastro> I keep telling people it has advanced stuff
[00:00] <jcastro> they just don't like that it's missing what they consider advanced
[00:01] <jrwren> i know rick_h_ thinks it blase, but IMO it is great.
[00:01] <jcastro> heh
[00:01] <jcastro> rick is content in tiling land
[00:01] <jcastro> which is totally fine
[00:01] <jcastro> just not for me
[00:01] <jrwren> the ctrl-alt numpad stuff just feels perfect to me.
[00:01] <jcastro> http://i.imgur.com/zw1kh.jpg
[00:02] <jcastro> we've actually had that feature for like 3 years
[00:02] <jcastro> just never turned it on!
[00:02] <jrwren> lolz
[00:02] <jrwren> lolz to the image too
[00:03] <jrwren> ok, so i can configure "broadcast accounts" but what do I use to read and post to them? (twitter)
[00:03] <jcastro> gwibber
[00:03] <jcastro> or "social network" or something like that
[00:03] <jcastro> dunno, I use seesmic
[00:03] <jcastro> seesmic web ftw
[00:07] <jrwren> that works great. ty.
[00:09] <jrwren> impressive, you triaged it last july.  good memory!
[00:12] <jcastro> ah!
[00:12] <jcastro> you can shut off the global menu for certain apps
[00:12] <jcastro> as a workaround
[00:12] <jcastro> actually, we do that for the one in the archive iirc
[00:13] <jrwren> is there a way I can view the source of this patch on the web? https://bugs.launchpad.net/dbusmenu/+bug/606470/comments/3
[00:14] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/6784/is-it-possible-to-make-indicator-appmenu-ignore-a-specific-application
[00:14] <jcastro> yeah, one sec
[00:14] <jrwren> who can I tell that the svn url here https://code.launchpad.net/monodevelop is wrong... its actually http://github.com/mono/monodevelop now instead of that svn url
[00:15] <jcastro> oh, I can change that actually
[00:15] <jcastro> jrwren: can you ask about the monodevelop patch on askubuntu?
[00:15] <jcastro> I'd like to just start building up the info there
[00:16] <jcastro> whilst I fix this URL
[00:16] <jrwren> sounds good
[00:18] <jrwren> i'll bet teh workaround works.
[00:20] <jcastro> it does
[00:20] <jcastro> we have the same issue with like eclipse
[00:20] <jcastro> programs that generate dynamic menus (like IDEs) are problematic unfortunately
[00:24] <jrwren> http://askubuntu.com/questions/33384/how-can-i-see-the-monodevelop-patch-in-bug606470
[00:25] <jrwren> i tried to tag with monodevelop and UBUNTU_MENUPROXY but I dont' have the rep for new tags
[00:32] <jcastro> I'll tag it right
[00:38] <jrwren> so the monodevelop.in file just generates the menushortcut eh? hrm... i sure would like a more general fix.
[00:38] <jrwren> What is the recommendation? will the menu proxy support dynamic menus eventually?
[00:39] <jrwren> libappmenu... i'll check out their bugs and discussions on dynamic menus
[00:39] <jrwren> thanks for the help jcastro
[00:39] <jcastro> I am not sure
[00:39] <jcastro> outside of the patch and bug workflow we're in your neck of the woods.
[00:40] <jcastro> jrwren: found it
[00:41] <jcastro> and answered
[00:47] <jjesse> anchorman is perhaps the greatest movie ever, nuff said
[01:27] <snap-l> jjesse: I completely disagree with the Anchorman assessment. :)
[01:27] <jjesse> really?
[01:27] <jjesse> love that movie
[01:27] <jjesse> talledega nights is a close 2nd
[01:54] <snap-l> Gooooood eeeevening
[01:55] <greg-g> holy crap: https://ftbeowulf.wordpress.com/2011/04/03/disapointment-in-rochester/
[01:55] <greg-g> that sucks
[01:55] <greg-g> he put a lot of effort into that, it looks like
[01:58] <snap-l> Oh man, that sucks.
[02:01] <rick_h_> yea, ouch
[02:02] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/58/detail/
[02:03] <greg-g> why hello there!
[02:03] <greg-g> meeting time!
[02:03] <snap-l> Long time no see. :)
[02:04] <snap-l> I think the West MI folks might not be as well represented.
[02:04] <greg-g> yeah, :/
[02:05] <snap-l> I'm kinda upset at the host at ABC
[02:05] <greg-g> yeah, me too, not the best way to deal with that situation
[02:05] <greg-g> he was one of those "but I must follow every rule blindly"
[02:06] <greg-g> oh well
[02:06] <snap-l> And the Blue Tractor was packed as well with an hour wait
[02:06] <greg-g> geez
[02:06] <snap-l> Apparently AA was bumpin'
[02:06] <greg-g> sorry about that guys
[02:07] <snap-l> np
[02:07] <snap-l> not your fault
[02:07] <snap-l> I blame the rest of AA. :)
[02:07] <greg-g> haha
[02:08] <greg-g> so, yeah, meeting....
[02:09] <snap-l> So, first up: Natty Release Party is on
[02:09] <snap-l> Penguicon, Friday, 7pm
[02:09] <greg-g> rock
[02:09] <snap-l> Be there, or don't.
[02:09] <rick_h_> woot
[02:09] <greg-g> awesome. Thanks for taking the lead on that one
[02:09] <snap-l> I think next year we might want to look into a room party
[02:09] <greg-g> that's always fun
[02:09] <snap-l> there's nothing official about the release party, so if the bar is full, we're SOL
[02:09] <greg-g> right right :/
[02:10] <snap-l> I asked about putting it in the program, but since it's not in an official space, no program mention
[02:10] <greg-g> gotcha
[02:10] <snap-l> The bar is rennovated, so it may be a little more spacious
[02:10] <greg-g> oh, cool, good to know
[02:10] <snap-l> I know last year it was a tad crowded
[02:11] <snap-l> Also, there's a Natty release panel scheduled for Penguicon
[02:11] <snap-l> so if you want to talk Natty, please come to the panel
[02:11] <snap-l> even if you don't, you can act as bouncers. ;)
[02:11] <snap-l> bring your own sunglasses and wife-beater T-shirts.
[02:11] <greg-g> I have some extras
[02:12] <snap-l> Seriously, though, should be good, and from what I've seen of this release tonight, it should be a pretty congenial panel
[02:12] <greg-g> cool, so, other than blogging/mailing list/twitter announcements, anything we need to do between now and then?
[02:12] <snap-l> Not to my knowledge
[02:12] <greg-g> cool
[02:12] <snap-l> Just let folks know that they need to register for P-con
[02:13] <snap-l> And register soon if they want to participate and haven't registered yet.
[02:13]  * greg-g nods
[02:13]  * rick_h_ whistles
[02:13] <snap-l> and tell Rick that he'll be leading the panel
[02:13] <snap-l> rick_h_: see above. ;)
[02:14] <rick_h_> panel? missed that
[02:14] <rick_h_> hah!
[02:14] <greg-g> :)
[02:14] <greg-g> "Unity from the outsider's perspective"
[02:15] <snap-l> Nah, I think he'll need to go deep to be able to lead it
[02:15] <snap-l> We'll install Natty on his laptop from scratch
[02:15] <jrwren> was that Rochester, MI or MN or NY?
[02:15] <rick_h_> NY
[02:15] <snap-l> jrwren: ny, I believe
[02:15] <rick_h_> yea, they've had some good loco stuff up there, suprised at that
[02:16] <snap-l> anything else on release stuff / Penguicon?
[02:16] <greg-g> don't think so
[02:16] <snap-l> MUG Meeting: As far as I can tell, we're OK to sponsor either June or July
[02:17] <snap-l> I think we need to firm up our plans on what to present and just let MUG know
[02:17] <rick_h_> did we raise the $$ greg-g ?
[02:17] <greg-g> so... I need to do another press for donations/memberships, I only have us three :/
[02:17] <rick_h_> actually, did I donate to that?
[02:17] <jrwren> should have pressed today.
[02:17] <greg-g> rick_h_: yeah, you did, and snap-l
[02:17] <rick_h_> I think I did, but don't recall
[02:17] <rick_h_> k
[02:17] <rick_h_> heh, sucky
[02:17] <greg-g> yeah, I totally forgot, I thought about it last night in bed :(
[02:17] <snap-l> Yeah, I forgot to mention it as well
[02:17] <rick_h_> well yea, maybe do a "we only need XX more" call
[02:18] <snap-l> I'll mention it at the MUG meeting as well
[02:19] <greg-g> cool, I want to blog about it, I think
[02:19] <snap-l> Then we can post it on reddit...
[02:19] <greg-g> (I added tasks for release party to the agenda)
[02:19] <greg-g> heh
[02:20] <snap-l> I added the Natty release party to th events schedule
[02:20] <greg-g> awesome
[02:20] <snap-l> Next thing that I had was using the events calendar over the Google calendar
[02:20] <greg-g> yeah, so, have you used it in evolution yet? how does it do?
[02:20] <snap-l> but I don't think it's there yet
[02:21] <snap-l> It doesn't do the time zones properly
[02:21] <snap-l> and meetings aren't showing up
[02:21] <snap-l> so we'll need to update both until it gets fixed up better.
[02:21] <greg-g> hmmm, ok... so, we'll just keep an eye on that one
[02:21] <snap-l> (which is a bummer)
[02:22] <greg-g> yeah
[02:22] <snap-l> That's all that I had on the agenda
[02:22] <greg-g> cool
[02:22] <greg-g> yeah, so, I think that's good
[02:23] <greg-g> btw, does anyone know if I add an ical URL in gcal, if it periodically updates/pulls from that ical url?
[02:23] <snap-l> Yeah, it should
[02:23] <greg-g> cool, never used it like that before
[02:23] <snap-l> not sure what the polling rate is
[02:23] <greg-g> just added it to test
[02:23] <snap-l> Under evo you can set the polling timeframe
[02:23]  * greg-g nods
[02:24] <snap-l> Google Calendar gets the tz right
[02:24] <greg-g> yeah
[02:24] <greg-g> our events line up with what was in the original gcal we have
[02:24] <snap-l> well hell, the meeting is showing up now
[02:24] <snap-l> when I checked earlier, it wasn't.
[02:25] <snap-l> Doing a quick check w/ google -> evo
[02:25]  * greg-g nods
[02:28] <snap-l> Evolution doesn't like it
[02:29] <greg-g> lame
[02:29] <snap-l> Well, it doesn't allow me to set the timezone for it
[02:29] <snap-l> otherwise, it would work perfectly.
[02:29] <snap-l> Google manages to get it right
[02:29] <jrwren> my bar just crashed... wtf is the bar called? I didn't get an appport for it either :(
[02:30] <greg-g> weird
[02:30] <greg-g> that's the hardest part for me, relearning what things are call in this new paradigm :)
[02:30] <snap-l> just call it the mark bar
[02:30] <greg-g> so, release party announcement stuff, and MUG sponsorship pressing, I think thats all we got
[02:31] <greg-g> any good ideas for the MUG thing?
[02:31] <snap-l> Q&A on broadcom cards. ;)
[02:32] <greg-g> I mean, how to get money :)
[02:32] <rick_h_> I was going to talk about PPA stuff
[02:32] <snap-l> Bake sale
[02:32] <greg-g> heh
[02:32] <rick_h_> good uses, examples, how to get stuff from there
[02:32] <snap-l> rick_h_: that's awesome
[02:32] <greg-g> cool, I like
[02:32] <rick_h_> not sure I'll get all into building your own
[02:33] <rick_h_> but more as an undisovered resource
[02:33] <greg-g> yeah
[02:33] <greg-g> still good
[02:34] <snap-l> greg-g: I think posting to the list as a reminder
[02:35] <snap-l> and mentioning it at the release party
[02:35] <snap-l> and broadcasting at MUG
[02:35] <snap-l> Also, garnisheeing paychecks
[02:35] <snap-l> that should do it
[02:35] <rick_h_> yea, will try to recall to bring up at CCHC
[02:35] <snap-l> and CHC
[02:35] <rick_h_> and bring my enforcement bat
[02:35] <greg-g> rock
[02:36] <rick_h_> gah, typing lag sucks
[02:36] <greg-g> I'll send a reminder to the list
[02:38] <snap-l> Also, huge thanks to SRT for the space, and thanks to everyone that came on out
[02:38] <snap-l> it was amazing and awesome!
[02:38] <rick_h_> yay
[02:38] <greg-g> word!
[02:38] <greg-g> thanks again, jrwren
[02:39] <greg-g> always love going there
[02:39] <snap-l> Yes, thank you do much jsjgruber_
[02:39] <snap-l> er, jrwren
[02:39] <greg-g> heh
[02:39] <snap-l> (blasted tab complete)
[02:40] <greg-g> (I don't know why IRC tab complete is always implemented badly, instead of how it is done on BASH, where if there are more than one possible completion, it just makes you type more)
[02:40] <snap-l> a-yep
[02:40] <jsjgruber_> That was a nice location at SRT.
[02:40] <greg-g> :)
[02:46] <snap-l> Anything else anyone would like to add?
[02:46]  * greg-g shakes his head
[02:46] <greg-g> I'm writing up the MUG sponsorship reminder now
[02:46] <snap-l> heh
[02:46] <greg-g> and will do a thanks for coming to the jam post soon
[02:47] <snap-l> OK, so with that, I think we'll call this meeting closed for now
[02:47] <snap-l> brousch: You made it home OK?
[02:48] <greg-g> snap-l: thanks for creating that agenda/meeting page
[02:48] <snap-l> Hey, NP
[02:48] <snap-l> I'll copy that over for the next meeting
[02:48] <greg-g> rock
[02:49] <snap-l> though I think we'll want to reschedule the meeting to perhaps Monday
[02:49] <snap-l> or the next Sunday, since it'll be after P-con weekend
[02:50] <snap-l> Anyone opposed to making it the 7th?
[02:50] <snap-l> er, 8th?
[02:50] <brousch> we just got back. ended up eating at the indian place
[02:50] <snap-l> brousch: Ah, very cool
[02:50] <greg-g> brousch: I've only been there once, during "Restuarant Week" (which means, it was busy), how was it?
[02:51] <snap-l> brousch: Thank you for bringing the beer
[02:51] <snap-l> The Scotch Ale was awesome.
[02:51] <greg-g> snap-l: the 8th sounds good to me
[02:51] <greg-g> snap-l: yes, thank you so much for the beer
[02:51] <greg-g> brousch: yes, thank you so much for the beer
[02:51] <greg-g> :)
[02:51] <snap-l> brousch: Next time I see you, beer is on me. :)
[02:52] <brousch> it was awesome food
[02:53] <brousch> and it was empty
[02:53] <brousch> blue nile was empty too
[02:54] <snap-l> Bah, maybe next time, then
[02:55] <greg-g> snap-l: MUG indivindual membership is $35?
[02:55] <snap-l> Yessir
[02:56] <greg-g> thankya sir
[02:57] <snap-l> y'know, the site doesn't have that info on it
[02:59] <greg-g> nope
[02:59] <greg-g> Figured there'd be a "Membership" page or similar
[02:59] <snap-l> You would think
[03:00] <brousch> ok, bedtime
[03:00] <brousch> seeyou tomorrow
[03:00] <greg-g> brousch: g'night, great seeing....
[03:00] <snap-l> you...
[03:03] <greg-g> snap-l: I'm thinking a deadline for the sponsorship might be a good idea, what should it be to be convenient for MUG?
[03:03] <greg-g> end of April? May?
[03:11] <snap-l> hurm... I think May should work
[03:11] <snap-l> but have NFC otherwise.
[03:11] <snap-l> I'll ask
[03:11] <greg-g> k
[03:11] <greg-g> I'll wait on the reminder then
[03:12] <snap-l> Go ahead and send it out
[03:12] <snap-l> I'd rather not have you wait on us
[03:12] <greg-g> ok
[03:13] <rick_h_> Yea, shoot for may 1
[03:13]  * greg-g nods
[03:13] <rick_h_> I don't kinow why we can't get it settled in 30 days
[03:13] <snap-l> Yeah, it should be oK
[03:14] <rick_h_> and gives up last minute time to collect $$ at PC
[03:17]  * greg-g nods
[03:42] <snap-l> http://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/GlobalJam20110403
[03:47] <greg-g> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/749885 my bug about the LD and flickr photos :)
[03:48] <snap-l> Hey jcastro
[03:48] <greg-g> snap-l: nice photos
[03:49] <jcastro> yo
[03:52] <snap-l> greg-g: Thanks!
[03:52] <snap-l> btw: got a response back from Cloudkicker, so hoping to have a show with them
[03:52] <rick_h_> http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/04/03/introducing-booki-only-for-developers/
[03:52] <snap-l> They're one of my favorite new CC discoveries. :)
[03:52] <rick_h_> 0.1 is there, yay
[03:52] <snap-l> bookie
[03:52] <snap-l> I think you made a typo
[03:52] <rick_h_> crap, url didn't change
[03:53] <rick_h_> dammit, just put on twitter,
[03:53] <rick_h_> gah!
[03:53] <snap-l> never fails. ;)
[03:57] <rick_h_> ok, updated
[03:57] <rick_h_> and wordpress seems smart to redirect the bad url to the good one
[04:05] <snap-l> sweetness.
[04:06] <rick_h_> ok, time to rest, 0.2 starts tomorrow
[04:09] <greg-g> :) g'night rick_h_
[04:20] <greg-g> I'm on a roll: http://blog.grossmeier.net/2011/04/03/mug-sponsorship/
[13:14] <brousch> snap-l: awesome https://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/GlobalJam20110403#5591551832529688354
[13:36] <rick_h__> woot! first python based trigger for postgresql working
[13:44] <brousch> rick_h__: do i know will fuqua?
[13:46] <rick_h__> brousch: yea, Blazeix_
[13:47] <brousch> ah, ok
[13:47] <brousch> darn non-real-name-like irc handles
[14:04] <snap-l> brousch: Heh. :)
[14:16] <snap-l> Meetings Meetings, causing a commotion; giving me the notion that I won't get shit done today.
[14:18] <rick_h__> hah, didn't think you had them on monday
[14:19] <snap-l> Normally have two
[14:19] <snap-l> but today I have three, because I wanted to do the weekly review that I couldn't do on Friday
[14:19] <snap-l> So we can talk about the next iteration of the thing that we haven't completely released the latest iteration of. ;)
[14:22] <snap-l> Considering it's 6:30am for anyone on west-coast time, this should be fun
[14:23] <rick_h__> hah
[14:30] <snap-l> And I'm still listening to conference call music
[14:30] <snap-l> I feel a reschedule in my future
[14:33] <snap-l> Well well well, we're on
[14:36] <greg-g> fancy that
[14:37] <rick_h__> anyone need a coffee table? glass top with metal base
[14:39] <snap-l> I'm set for coffeetables at the moment, thanks
[14:39] <brousch> rick_h__: sounds hazardous
[14:40] <rick_h__> got the giant ottoman so no need for it now
[14:41] <rick_h__> brousch: survived a long time without injury
[14:41] <brousch> does your boy climb?
[14:42] <rick_h__> yea, but he's not allowed downstairs so it's not been an issue
[14:42] <brousch> hehe
[14:42] <snap-l> ...yet...
[14:45] <brousch> time to write up my unity love post
[14:46] <wolfger> snap-l: +1 for filking the Narwhals tune
[14:49] <greg-g> filk? film?
[14:51] <wolfger> filk
[14:51] <wolfger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filk
[14:52] <wolfger> see "used as a verb" definition #2
[14:53] <wolfger> and for goodness sake, attend a Tom Smith concert at Penguicon!!!
[14:58] <jrwren> wow, apparently a couple of my coworkers were interested in the jam yesterday. I guess I need to publisize more.
[14:58] <jrwren> mabye they are just saying that though.
[14:59] <rick_h__> it was the beer :P
[14:59] <snap-l> Beer and people
[14:59] <wolfger> there was beer? Damn. ;-)
[15:00] <wolfger> Sadly, it was in AA on a weekend. I'm near AA all week long. Decided I really ought to spend the weekend at home with family.
[15:01] <snap-l> bah, family
[15:01] <wolfger> If I'd gone, I may as well have stayed in Dundee for the night :-p
[15:01] <snap-l> It's not like AA is across the damn planet. ;)
[15:02] <wolfger> Yeah, and I've got all those west-siders that showed up making me look bad, too
[15:02] <snap-l> yep. ;)
[15:02] <wolfger> but again, I'm only home 2 days a week, so, you know...
[15:03] <wolfger> my wife likes to see her husband sometimes
[15:05] <wolfger> Hmm. Gmail still says "Coming Soon: Better ads in Gmail."
[15:05] <wolfger> I thought that was an April Fool's joke
[15:05] <tjagoda> Hah
[15:05] <tjagoda> YOU THOUGHT WRONG
[15:05] <tjagoda> Google's always there
[15:05] <tjagoda> pretending to not be evil
[15:05] <tjagoda> Sucking away at your information.. =P
[15:07] <wolfger> The Japanese word of the day is コギャル. Which means "teenage girl who wears gaudy clothes". That's one heck of a specific word...
[15:08] <tjagoda> And I bet it gets used a TON in Japan =P
[15:14] <jrwren> ok, i won't talk smack about metallica anymore.  S&M is great to code to.
[15:15] <jrwren> in the us we call them teeny boppers.
[15:15] <wolfger> S&M coding?
[15:16] <wolfger> Is that all the ease-of-reading of Perl combined with the freedom and power of Java?
[15:19] <jrwren> any coding is S&M coding.
[15:21] <snap-l> So many ways to go completely wrong with that thread.
[15:22] <wolfger> SQL like a pig?
[15:24] <snap-l> Is throwing an exception like a safe word?
[15:25] <greg-g> from now on, my error message variables will all be safeword :)
[15:25] <snap-l> heh
[15:26] <jrwren> WEEEEEeeeee
[15:26] <jrwren> I knew MySQL was a rapist.
[15:26] <binbrain> rick_h_: great chat w/Michael Foord about testing
[15:27] <snap-l> "Now let's just see you DROP that database." "Drop?" "Just take it right out"
[15:27] <jrwren> snap-l: LOL'
[15:27] <rick_h__> binbrain: cool, glad you liked it
[15:28] <rick_h__> ok, SQL quiz time since it came up: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/270/
[15:28] <rick_h__> I'm missing the right way to do this
[15:28] <rick_h__> and I can't find my Sql Cookbook
[15:29] <rick_h__> one->many relation and I want to join them, but only grab the 'latest' of the many side
[15:29] <rick_h__> doing it this way is waaaay to slow
[15:29] <jrwren> i don't think you need the subquery.
[15:29] <snap-l> is HotAlert_Detail"."InsertDate" indexed?
[15:30] <jrwren> just a regular join with the groupby and having.
[15:30] <rick_h__> bah, that was a bad reduction of the original query
[15:30] <rick_h__> missing the join correctly
[15:30] <jrwren> oh, you can't aggregate on the same field you are grouping can you?
[15:31] <jrwren> err, no. hrm..
[15:31] <jrwren> no, that should work.
[15:31] <rick_h__> k, trying to clean it up, sec
[15:31] <jrwren> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/271/
[15:32] <rick_h__> the problem is if I do the MAX I have to add all the columns from the tables into the gruop by
[15:32] <rick_h__> right, but too many rows to do it outside like that
[15:32] <rick_h__> I want to limit the join to only a small subset first
[15:33] <jrwren> do it select n+1 then?
[15:34] <jrwren> i can't believe I just suggested that :)
[15:34] <rick_h__> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/272/
[15:35] <greg-g> thanks, smoser ! (you know what for!)
[15:35] <rick_h__> see, if you do that have to do a massive group by of all the cols
[15:35] <rick_h__> umm, ok... greg-g :P
[15:35] <smoser> greg-g, no problem. other people send greg-g money for mug if you have not done so.
[15:35] <greg-g> rick_h__: MUG sponsorship (i hope its ok I outed him like that :) )
[15:35] <rick_h__> cool, yea definitely. Shame those that have not contrib'd
[15:35] <rick_h__>  :P
[15:35] <smoser> did you talk to jorge about getting some money from canonical?
[15:36] <smoser> surely we can scrape up $50
[15:36] <rick_h__> no, we want to do this as community
[15:36] <rick_h__> the idea is the loco as a community org helping a LUG and such
[15:37] <greg-g> the power of the community!
[15:37] <rick_h__> yea, I mean we've only had some 4 people donate and there's 8+ that go to MUG
[15:37] <rick_h__> shouldn't be an issue
[15:37]  * greg-g nods
[15:39] <greg-g> we're 2/3's of the way there, btw
[15:41] <DBO> what is the money for?
[15:42] <DBO> greg-g, ^^
[15:42] <rick_h__> http://blog.grossmeier.net/2011/04/03/mug-sponsorship/
[15:44] <DBO> where are we at?
[15:44] <rick_h__> 2/3 done
[15:44] <rick_h__> I think we just need to poke widox_ and waldo and guys
[15:51] <greg-g> DBO: yeah, what rick_h__ said while I was afk
[15:51] <DBO> can I donate without a paypal account
[15:52] <greg-g> DBO: sure, however you can get money to me
[15:52] <greg-g> paypal is the easiest even though one of the most evil :)
[15:53] <snap-l> A check via traditional mail should work as well
[15:53] <snap-l> assuming greg-g wants to give out his home address.
[15:54] <snap-l> If not, I'll give you mine via e-mail
[15:54] <snap-l> and then paypal greg-g ;)
[15:54] <snap-l> we can make this work. We have the technology.
[15:54] <DBO> give me your routing info
[15:55] <DBO> i'll wire you whatever is left
[15:55] <snap-l> Just like the IRS
[15:55] <greg-g> DBO: whats your email?
[15:55] <DBO> $50 exact or is it more?
[15:56] <greg-g> right now, $50 exactly
[15:58] <DBO> yeah I refuse to do business with them
[15:58] <DBO> they fucked me
[15:58] <DBO> I can wire this right into your account however, no problem
[15:58] <DBO> jassmith@gmail.com
[15:59] <greg-g> coolio
[16:02] <greg-g> DBO: sent
[16:03] <DBO> greg-g, thats a checking?
[16:04] <DBO> (account type is required info for some reason on this interface)
[16:10] <greg-g> DBO: yep
[16:11] <DBO> greg-g, sent
[16:11] <greg-g> thanks buddy!
[16:12] <DBO> it will take however long your and my bank take to work out the transfer
[16:12] <DBO> (hopefully not long, seen it take 72 hours once...)
[16:12] <DBO> i hope thats not a big problem
[16:13] <smoser> how did paypal $*#@ you, DBO
[16:13] <smoser> oh, and i have a question for you DBO.
[16:14] <smoser> in unity, i bring up that mlauncher menu thingy by clicking on the ubuntu logo in the top left.
[16:14] <DBO> smoser, they put a hold on my account that had $200 in it and refused to tell me why
[16:14] <DBO> they still have it
[16:14] <smoser> then i want to launch something that is in it.
[16:14] <smoser> to do that i have to quickly double click
[16:14] <smoser> is that right ?
[16:14] <DBO> put the mouse against the top left corner
[16:14] <smoser> its quite awkward
[16:14] <smoser> ah. so that seems to work, but i did not know that you could bring up the menu like that.
[16:15] <smoser> i woudl do so via windows key
[16:16] <DBO> hold the windows key
[16:16] <DBO> you can do that too
[16:22] <greg-g> DBO: yuck, sorry about the paypal suckery
[16:22] <smoser> nice. i pushed windows key while i was saying that
[16:22] <smoser> and doing an upgrade
[16:22] <smoser> and that was bad.
[16:22] <smoser> it went into a unity restart cycle
[16:22] <smoser> :)
[16:23] <smoser> so i have the thing on auto-hide
[16:23] <smoser> and if i hold it it pops up
[16:23] <smoser> but then i have numbers ofver the icods. i guess it works.
[16:23] <smoser> i think its somewhat awkward when i click on the ubuntu logo that if i try to launch an item by middle clicking the  menu goes away
[16:24] <smoser> ah. it seems that that is now improved behavior
[16:24] <smoser> as it is greyed out if i click the ubuntu icon
[16:25] <smoser> although it still seems strnage to me that i have to hold it down and then click while holding or it goes away
[16:25] <smoser> anyway, i'll quit ranting
[16:27] <DBO> smoser, i agree with a lot of what you say
[16:27] <DBO> the system is not perfect
[16:27] <DBO> I think next cycle there will be some changes
[16:27] <DBO> unfortunately, I am not in design
[16:28] <DBO> I cant make changes until design performs a head-ass-ectomy
[16:29] <smoser> DBO, thats fine. if you want i can open bugs
[16:29] <smoser> i'm trying to give first time (or new) user input
[16:30] <smoser> i really am somewhat confused by  a lot of it, but i know that i'm not the target
[16:33] <DBO> you are the target
[16:33] <DBO> everyone is
[16:33] <DBO> if it doesn't work for you
[16:33] <DBO> that is something I care about
[16:33] <DBO> I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't care
[16:33] <DBO> filing bugs is awesome
[16:33] <smoser> well, i am most definitely not the target for "design team"
[16:33] <DBO> it gets marks attention
[16:33] <DBO> even if he "dismisses" the bug
[16:33] <DBO> he wont forget
[16:33] <DBO> no
[16:34] <DBO> you are my target however
[16:34] <DBO> and the only time I get say is at sprints
[16:34] <smoser> i'll file a bug then.
[16:35] <greg-g> smoser: luckily at the global jam we all gave some good/bad/ugly feedback to jcastro for dissemination to mark et al
[16:35] <smoser> yeah, i wish i could hvae come
[16:35] <greg-g> smoser: coming from first time users and various use-cases
[16:35] <smoser> i actually *did* come
[16:35] <smoser> :)
[16:35] <smoser> but came on saturday
[16:35] <smoser> door locked
[16:35] <smoser> checked phone
[16:35] <greg-g> really? oh sad!
[16:35] <smoser> DOH!
[16:35] <smoser> yeah. i couldn't come yesterday though
[16:36] <greg-g> :( next time
[16:36] <smoser> yeah.
[16:36]  * DBO was there too
[16:36] <DBO> then I ran away
[16:37] <smoser> DBO, one more thing
[16:37] <smoser> ok. i just dist-upgraded
[16:37] <smoser> and then did unity-reset
[16:37] <greg-g> used his gf as an excuse when really it was "oh man, they're getting ready to slit my throat with this unity stuff!" ;)
[16:37] <smoser> i launch a gnome-terminal from the launcher using middle click
[16:37] <smoser> and its window border goes under the top border
[16:37] <DBO> greg-g, the real reason for my coming was to prove she exists!
[16:38] <DBO> smoser, I fixed that in trunk already
[16:38] <DBO> that was a very dumb bug :/
[16:38] <smoser> DBO, good enough for me.
[16:38] <smoser> thank sman.
[16:41] <greg-g> DBO: and there's pictures now on the planet of you two, so mission completed.
[16:41] <DBO> :P
[16:43] <greg-g> geez, gmail seems slow today
[16:43] <jrwren> http://davisagli.com/blog/the-making-of-zodb.ws
[16:43] <greg-g> at least their imap/smtp servers
[17:01] <wolfger> Man, CNN polls lack so many choices.
[17:01] <wolfger> Today it's "If the government shuts down this week, will you blame the Democrats or the Republicans?"
[17:01] <wolfger> There is no option for "both" or "blame them?"
[17:02] <brousch> i blame bin laden
[17:02] <wolfger> I vote "can't we just keep it shut down permanently?"
[17:03] <wolfger> brousch: Bin Laden has nothing to do with why the Dems and Pubs can't agree on a single thing. Unless you're blaming him for not causing another country-uniting atrocity.
[17:04] <jrwren> they agree on many things.
[17:04] <wolfger> But even that, I'm afraid, would separate us into "Obama failed to protect us!" versus people with an ounce of common sense (of which there are too few)
[17:04] <jrwren> they love corporations.
[17:04] <jrwren> they love money.
[17:05] <jrwren> they agree on lying to american people.
[17:05] <wolfger> 2 out of 3, jrwren
[17:05] <wolfger> they can't agree on which corporations to love
[17:05] <jrwren> 3 for 3.
[17:05] <jrwren> yes they can.
[17:05] <jrwren> see Dow30.
[17:25] <snap-l> I'm sorry, if the government shuts down, it's a failure of those charged with keeping it running
[17:26] <snap-l> Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, and the people who vote for them
[17:27] <_stink__> are any Libertarians charged with keeping it running?
[17:28] <snap-l> I'm not sure, but they seem to get their rocks off at hurling insults at the other two
[17:29] <_stink__> heh
[17:29] <snap-l> Q: What's the quickest way to get a Libertarian to shut up about the government? A: Elect them
[18:03] <wolfger> snap-l: I like that solution, and accept your vote
[18:09] <snap-l> wolfger: I knew one guy that was running as a Libertarian
[18:10] <snap-l> I swear, he would have shit his pants had someone elected him
[18:39] <brousch> no matter how dumbed down you make a wizard, someone dumber will still be unable to use it
[18:42] <rick_h__> definitely
[18:43] <rick_h__> so got the query from 26s down to 9s
[18:43] <rick_h__> well, I guess query + everything, whole page load time
[18:43] <brousch> ug, seems long still
[18:43] <brousch> i'm hitting times like that one my rpc calls to my legacy access db
[18:44] <brousch> i don't like it
[18:44] <rick_h__> yea, well it's generating a 6.1mb xls file on the fly
[18:44] <rick_h__> I don't like it, but nearly 3x faster is an improvement
[18:44] <brousch> yeah
[18:45] <rick_h__> I could make it faster if i did a materialzied view, but that's a lot more work since pgsql doesn't do them ootb
[18:45] <brousch> i'm starting to ask those people if they really need that whole file, or are they just looking for one nugget of info they happen to exists in that report
[18:46] <rick_h__> yea, that's what I told the boss. It's a year of data now. Do they really need it all or can we start limiting to only the last 3mo or so
[18:46] <brousch> i mean, wtf do they do with 6.1MB of excel data?
[18:47] <rick_h__> it's a data export, so I can understand if they don't trust us
[18:47] <rick_h__> but they use it because they can create filters/views based on the data in excel
[18:47] <rick_h__> market research is all about getting things into excel, they're masters at the thing
[18:47] <brousch> heh
[18:49] <brousch> we have a 10-20 page report that gets printed every week and handed out to like 10 people. nobody looks at it but it makes them feel good to see all the data
[18:50] <rick_h__> yea, we built them a whole web app with sorting, filtering, etc...but until they could print it and take it to a meeting (guess no projectors) they weren't happy
[18:50] <rick_h__> hmmmm, paper
[18:51] <brousch> they say they like the weight of the report. if the report is light they know we need more hours in the shop
[18:51] <brousch> if the report is heavy, we are too busy
[18:52] <rick_h__> time to force all the printers to do dual sided 6pages per side printing
[18:52] <brousch> this is the problem with running the same report for 15+ years
[18:52] <brousch> it is double-sided now
[18:52] <brousch> that switched about 10 years ago
[18:54] <snap-l> brousch: Seriously? Why not save the paper and just give them a weight
[18:54] <snap-l> 5 grams, 10 grams, and 20 grams
[18:55] <snap-l> if that's all they care about, why knock yourself out making the report in the first place
[18:55] <snap-l> just have the program tell someone what weight to distribute
[18:56] <brousch> good idea
[18:56] <_stink__> sounds like the rumor that law school profs grade their exams by tossing them down a flight of stairs.  those that travel the farthest get the best grades.
[18:56] <rick_h__> _stink__: using a heavy ink when I write
[18:57] <rick_h__> can you still get some lead ink? :)
[18:59] <_stink__> no kidding
[18:59] <_stink__> how depressing
[19:09] <wolfger> brousch: The ultimate wizard is a single button that says "Do what I want". And you will then encounter a user who doesn't know what he wants.
[19:15] <brousch> this recent email breach is hitting a lot of companies. i've gotten notices from tivo and best buy
[19:16] <wolfger> greg-g: what happened to our logging?
[19:18] <wolfger> There's a huge gap. today
[19:19] <wolfger>  (let the conspiracy theories begin)
[19:20] <rick_h__> brousch: yea, got my Chase notice today :/
[19:22] <wolfger> They sent you a notice that they are a greedy soul-sucking bank?
[19:22] <jjesse> me 2
[19:22] <jjesse> yay for epsilon
[19:22] <jjesse> might be a smaller list of people who didn't get breached
[19:23] <_stink__> hmm, i'm a chase customer
[19:23] <_stink__> i hadn't heard about this
[19:23] <jjesse> yup
[19:23] <rick_h__> just got it today, their farmed out email service got hacked
[19:23] <rick_h__> so tons of big companies are having to notify their base about it
[19:23] <jjesse> they outsource some of thier work to epsilon which was hacked
[19:24] <jjesse> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/04/03/016215/Epsilon-Data-Breach-Bigger-Than-Just-Kroger-Customers-Data?from=rss
[19:24] <_stink__> heh, i have accounts with 3 of the companies listed in this article
[19:25] <rick_h__> yea, I've got 2 and the wife one
[19:26] <jjesse> fun times
[19:28] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/merlyn/statuses/54971882050551810
[19:28] <snap-l> rick_h__: ^^
[19:28] <snap-l> I told him to just use PostgreSQL. ;)
[19:28] <snap-l> no problems with pronunciation
[19:30] <rick_h__> snap-l: lol
[19:33] <Blazeix> hm, I'm sometimes guilty of pronouncing it as "my sequel"
[19:33] <greg-g> if wolfger were here, I would tell him that a netsplit is probably to blame
[19:33] <Blazeix> I blame "Sequel server"
[19:34] <_stink__> wait, do people in here really usually call it 'my ess queue ell'?
[19:34] <_stink__> i always say 'my sequel'.
[19:35] <rick_h__> yea, I used to always make sure I spelled it out
[19:35] <rick_h__> but everyone uses the short hand that it started to seep in
[19:35] <rick_h__> I'm 50/50 now
[19:36] <snap-l> I like his RT response: RT @jayscript: @merlyn I've always understood MySQL to mean "Please don't"
[19:36] <_stink__> haha
[19:38] <snap-l> Heh, someone is using a sink
[19:38] <snap-l> on a conference call
[19:40] <_stink__> probably just pooped
[19:40] <rick_h__> better than hearing a toilet flush
[19:40] <snap-l> I think we might have
[19:40] <snap-l> not sure
[19:40] <snap-l> someone sounded a little rushed.
[19:46] <greg-g> haha
[19:54] <Blazeix> anybody know anything about this? http://detroitcloudapril2011.eventbrite.com/
[19:54] <Blazeix> thinking I might check it out later today
[19:55] <snap-l> nfc
[19:57] <jcastro> hey snapples
[19:57] <jcastro> snap-l: can you try unity2d on your eee?
[19:57] <snap-l> hey jorgler
[19:57] <jcastro> I wonder how m uch better it will run
[19:58] <snap-l> how would one install it, should one wish to try it?
[19:58] <jcastro> sudo apt-get install unity-2d
[19:58] <jcastro> log out, and select 2d in the session/gdm thing
[19:58] <brousch> i think chrome and unity 2d were very slow
[19:58] <snap-l> giving it a try
[19:59] <jcastro> brousch: how did 2d end up running for you on the one thing?
[19:59] <brousch> it ran well sometimes, then was ass-slow other times
[19:59] <brousch> i think it was chrome, but haven't had time to make sure
[19:59] <jcastro> how much ram?
[19:59] <brousch> 2GB
[19:59] <jcastro> if you run out of ram it's chrome
[19:59] <jcastro> yeah
[19:59] <jcastro> chrome needs like 2gb just for itself
[20:00] <brousch> that seems silly
[20:00] <jcastro> that speed comes from somewhere. :)
[20:01] <jcastro> I find FF to use less ram, but launch/run slower
[20:01] <jcastro> so I guess it's a tradeoff
[20:01] <snap-l> Man, that's a lot of disk space. ;)
[20:03] <snap-l> Trying unity 2d on my VM as well
[20:04] <snap-l> Um, only complaint is the gnome theme daemon goes for a toss
[20:06] <snap-l> Seriously, it looks like 2001 Gnome
[20:08] <smoser> snap-l, you are so unhip its not even funny
[20:08] <greg-g> yeah, major issue that one
[20:09] <Blazeix> yeah, I guess that's because it's QT, right? So you'd need to install that qt-gtk theme.
[20:09] <snap-l> Yeah, I had to
[20:09] <snap-l> reset the settings, I mean
[20:09] <snap-l> It seems snappier
[20:11] <snap-l> has a few usability issues, though
[20:11] <snap-l> I promise I'll keep natty on that machine, so if you want me to test things with it, I will
[20:19] <greg-g> snap-l: which package did you install to get it to look better?
[20:19] <greg-g> apt-cache search gtk qt didn't help too much
[20:20] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/channels/metal-injections-the-fix/
[20:20] <snap-l> greg-g: I think I was mistaken
[20:20] <greg-g> oh
[20:20] <snap-l> I tried setting the theme again, but it still looked like gtk plain
[20:20] <greg-g> oh, I mis-read you anyways
[20:21] <greg-g> Blazeix: what package are you referring to?
[20:24] <Blazeix> greg-g: qgtkstyle, I think
[20:26] <Blazeix> I'm not a unity dev, but that's what I've used before to make qt blend with gtk apps
[20:27] <Blazeix> looks like in ubuntu if you have qt4config you can just enable it
[20:27] <Blazeix> apparently it ships with Qt4.5 and later
[20:28] <snap-l> I think the opposite problem is happening
[20:29] <Blazeix> oh, did I misunderstand?
[20:29] <Blazeix> ah, so gtk apps are foobar, not qt
[20:29] <snap-l> The gtk apps aren't getting themed
[20:29] <greg-g> yeah, I have no clue what the deal is :/
[20:30] <snap-l> anyone know of a QT app that isn't Lyx?
[20:30] <snap-l> I don't want to download 500MB just to try a hunch
[20:31] <Blazeix> vlc?
[20:31] <snap-l> That works
[20:33] <snap-l> hrum, still looks like gtk 2 native
[20:33] <Blazeix> is gnome-settings-daemon running?
[20:33] <snap-l> What's strange is appearance preferences seems to change
[20:33] <snap-l> yep
[20:36] <snap-l> It seems like it gets frozen or something
[20:36] <snap-l> did a kill -9 on it, and now it's back to beautiful
[20:40] <snap-l> I really hate these job posting e-mail cold calls:
[20:40] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/274/
[20:40] <snap-l> I feel like responding:
[20:41] <snap-l> Zeus was eliminated by Siberia and pitches the cannibal.
[20:41] <snap-l> Let's go dancing at 5pm, and toss our cares away.
[20:41] <snap-l> ie: please read my fucking reasume
[20:42] <gamerchick02> yeah, i get the feeling, snap-l
[20:44] <_stink__> snap-l: response with this: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/A6UdqkvQq4dE5lm5w515/
[20:44] <_stink__> (nsfw text if you care.)
[20:44] <snap-l> Even a simple "Hey, I saw on your resume that you did VB back in 1998, are you looking to get back into it?"
[20:45] <snap-l> _stink__: Hahahahahaha
[20:45] <gamerchick02> oh, that is awesome, _stink_
[20:45] <snap-l> Where did you get that?
[20:45] <snap-l> That was quick turn-around. I'm hoping it's a script. :)
[20:47] <_stink__> snap-l: my brain
[20:47] <jcastro> hey snap-l
[20:48] <jcastro> do you guys remember if the nautilus icon on people's machines were little orange houses or filing cabinets at the jam?
[20:48] <jcastro> the icon on the launcher
[20:48] <_stink__> sadly, no.  i needed a break. :P
[20:48] <snap-l> jcastro: Not offhand
[20:48] <snap-l> on mine it was a house
[20:49] <snap-l> the filing cabinet is the non-themed version
[20:50] <jcastro> brousch: what did yours look like?
[20:50] <brousch> house
[20:50] <brousch> actually it was a house, then later bcame a filing cabinet
[20:50] <brousch> useful
[20:50] <jcastro> what do you mean became a filing cabinet?
[20:50] <jcastro> did it change or something?
[20:50] <jcastro> also, which one did you guys prefer?
[20:51] <brousch> it was an orange house at one point, and a gay filing cabinet later
[20:51] <brousch> i prefrred the house
[20:51] <brousch> or it might have been house on eee and cabinet on tablet
[20:51] <snap-l> I like the house, but both metaphors are pretty ughly
[20:51] <brousch> i'll look tonight. ignore me for now
[20:52] <gamerchick02> i've got an orange house on my unity launcher.
[20:54] <jrwren> I never knew *.domain ssl certs didn't work on domain.
[20:55] <snap-l> Yeah, ssl certs are very particular
[20:56] <jrwren> so... $50 for the domain cert, and $1000 for the *.domain cert :)
[20:57] <snap-l> and trying to do something self-signed is even more fun.
[20:57] <jrwren> yeah?
[20:57] <jrwren> I rarely self sign anymore. I find it easier to just start my own CA and sign with an unknown CA
[21:39] <jcastro> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KUsQdGHQZX8/TZLDaesEGOI/AAAAAAAAO2U/t2hX0-OCNFA/s1600/bit+asb.jpg
[21:41] <greg-g> lolz
[22:35] <brousch> jcastro: house icon on unity, filing cabinet on unity 2d