[01:26] <cyberanger> chris4585lappy: do you still use openbox too?
[01:27] <cyberanger> chris4585:
[01:28] <chris4585lappy> cyberanger, well, not currently, but its a love affair type thing
[01:29] <cyberanger> and unity isn't shifting that? or is it?
[01:29] <chris4585lappy> I don't think you can use openbox with unity, unity needs compiz
[01:30] <chris4585lappy> unity 2d could possibly use openbox I assume
[01:31] <cyberanger> I didn't mean at the same time, more of your preference
[01:32] <chris4585lappy> oh, I'd love to use openbox but compiz, unity, gnome... all appeal to me also
[01:32] <cyberanger> I've barely tried unity (between server work and repairs, just haven't gotten to it)
[01:33] <chris4585lappy> I can't wait for unity in 11.10
[01:33] <cyberanger> I can't see myself using kde or gnome again, openbox and lxde just are too snappy
[01:33] <chris4585lappy> depends
[01:34] <cyberanger> unity at the last trial (month ago?) was buggy enough to be unsure where it fits
[01:34] <chris4585lappy> yeah, now its a bit different, It doesn't crash on me anymore like it did 3 weeks ago
[01:35] <cyberanger> I've used natty more recently, but my openbox build
[01:36] <chris4585lappy> I'm a bit sad to see no gnome in 11.10 but oh well
[01:36] <cyberanger> so I'll have to fire that back up
[01:36] <chris4585lappy> I kind of want to try the latest gnome 3 stuff on ubuntu, I'm sure someone will try making a remake with it
[01:37] <cyberanger> yeah, that'll be intresting, gotten so many used to the lucid feel
[01:37] <cyberanger> one of us at least
[01:39] <cyberanger> we seem to be the two doing custom builds the most here
[01:40] <chris4585lappy> thats the stuff I really enjoy doing, its like my hobby...
[01:41] <chris4585lappy> cyberanger OH! we're getting cable in ~2wks
[01:41] <chris4585lappy> for sure
[01:41] <cyberanger> yeah, same here, I'd do it more often if I could
[01:41] <cyberanger> I need to remaster a live disc of a few builds too
[01:42] <cyberanger> oh, cool
[01:42] <cyberanger> where's the hughesnet going after that then?
[01:44] <cyberanger> modem and such?
[01:45] <chris4585lappy> I'm not sure, probably going on craigslist or something
[01:49] <chris4585lappy> if I had openbox, I'd probably use awn with dockbarx, then for a launcher I'd use synapse or something
[01:49] <chris4585lappy> I'd still use nautilus, because well I love it lol
[01:53] <cyberanger> really, I love pcmanfm myself
[01:54] <chris4585lappy> its alright for the most part
[01:54] <cyberanger> what's the modem model? hn7000s or hn9000 or another one?
[01:54] <chris4585lappy> 9000s
[01:55] <cyberanger> ouch
[01:55] <chris4585lappy> why?
[01:55] <cyberanger> that's a harder one to sell
[01:55] <chris4585lappy> lol well then
[01:55] <chris4585lappy> it does the job just fine for me lol
[01:56] <cyberanger> hughesnet upgraded stuff, so called spotbeam tech
[01:56] <cyberanger> and locked it down
[01:56] <cyberanger> nobody but their techs can really do much with them
[01:57] <chris4585lappy> oh
[01:57] <cyberanger> and due to that lockdown, it's a nightmare
[01:57] <chris4585lappy> meh, I like the webui on it
[01:58] <cyberanger> can't switch transponders, use another satellite, or take it outside your grid
[01:58] <cyberanger> without calling them, getting approval
[01:58] <cyberanger> and sometimes pay a fee or two
[01:59] <cyberanger> it's the same (mostly) webui as the hn7000s
[01:59] <chris4585lappy> ah, well I don't really need to do anything like that and such, just need internet
[01:59] <cyberanger> but I can throw than in a truck, drive to seattle, vancouver, maine, flordia
[02:00] <cyberanger> no questions asked
[02:00] <chris4585lappy> ah
[02:01] <wrst> chris4585lappy: have you tried gnome shell?
[02:01] <wrst> lately
[02:01] <cyberanger> you might not do that, but that's troubleshooting I could do, as long as it wasn't locked to HN (which was a call to my boss at minimum)
[02:01] <chris4585lappy> I've never really tried it, just once for a few minutes over a yar ago
[02:02] <chris4585lappy> year*
[02:02] <cyberanger> and that's hassles reselling it will have too
[02:02] <chris4585lappy> I'd like to try gnome-shell on fedora whenever it comes out
[02:02] <wrst> chris4585lappy: i tried the gnome 3.0 live cd... i was unimpressed
[02:02] <cyberanger> not saying it can't be done, selling it, just that it was so much easier when I did this every few days
[02:03] <cyberanger> wrst: really, what was the downside on gnome 3
[02:03] <wrst> just clunky and weird to me, unity makes much more sense
[02:04] <cyberanger> ah
[02:04] <cyberanger> well, can't see myself using it or kde anymore
[02:04] <wrst> could have just been me, but i do think they both make gnome 2.x show its age a little bit
[02:04] <cyberanger> but gnome is ubuntu atm
[02:04] <chris4585lappy> cyberanger, I found someone in orlando selling it for $30 lol
[02:05] <chris4585lappy> another guy satellite + modem $100
[02:05] <cyberanger> and that's what I give out (read: shoving down somebody's throat)
[02:05] <cyberanger> chris4585lappy: yeah, it's not price it's hassle
[02:05] <chris4585lappy> wrst, I'd like to try gnome3 fallback
[02:06] <cyberanger> unfortunately, if lubuntu doesn't shape up a little more, idk what I'll do down the road for low end rigs
[02:07] <chris4585lappy> for regular users?
[02:09] <wrst> cyberanger gnome on arch is good on low end machines
[02:10] <chris4585lappy> I agree with that, or lxde
[02:10] <cyberanger> lxde could be
[02:10] <cyberanger> chris4585lappy: new users really
[02:10] <chris4585lappy> well thats kind of what I meant
[02:11] <cyberanger> well, newer, using it for cost more than geek status
[02:11] <cyberanger> wrst: no......... not for a new guy
[02:13] <cyberanger> bbiab
[02:15] <wrst> no not for a new person at all unless you are admining it for them
[02:45] <wrst> chris4585: i think they need to do away with the black and orange
[02:49] <chris4585> wrst, what black?
[02:49] <chris4585> I only see purple and orange
[02:49] <chris4585> and I love it
[02:49] <wrst> the panels and the window title bars
[02:49] <wrst> with the transparent dock seems like you would go transparent all the way
[02:50] <chris4585> yeah kind of, personally I'd rather have true blur instead
[02:50] <chris4585> that would be nice..
[02:57] <wrst> yes i agree but transparency is an improvement
[03:04] <cyberanger> back
[03:05] <cyberanger> wrst: I would be, at first
[03:06] <cyberanger> end result is them doing it or not, and with ubuntu currently, it's too quick
[03:06] <cyberanger> xubuntu is also fast, getting someone to be enough of an admin
[03:07] <wrst> xubuntu seems about as bloated as gnome to me cyberanger
[03:07] <chris4585> xubuntu has no purpose imo..
[03:07] <chris4585> why xfce was even born is beyond me
[03:08] <wrst> just seems strange to mee too chris4585
[03:08] <cyberanger> my custom builds on openbox are a bit more automated, but not really faster than gnome (kinda a point where learning is learning)
[03:08] <cyberanger> true, it used to be better
[03:09] <chris4585> cyberanger, whats a good method for automating volume mounting in openbox?
[03:09] <cyberanger> part of that is due to the larger dependance now
[03:10] <cyberanger> chris4585: pcmanfm and nautilus make it as simple as clicking an icon
[03:10] <cyberanger> do you want it literally to automount?
[03:10] <chris4585> cyberanger, hrm ok, I guess I haven't really tackled this problem in 3 years
[03:11] <chris4585> I always used rox fm
[03:12] <cyberanger> there might be a need for an underlying system like hal
[03:12] <cyberanger> pcmanfm doesn't afaik, nautilus might
[03:13] <cyberanger> crunchbang members had a few ways, not sure what got into the offical builds
[03:18] <cyberanger> I'm betting hal was what they did, for earlier builds
[03:22] <chris4585> well when I get cable again I'll start doing more
[03:33] <cyberanger> and classes should be nearing their end
[03:33] <cyberanger> further helping
[03:34] <chris4585> cyberanger, I graduated HS back in Jan
[03:34] <chris4585> lol
[05:01] <cyberanger> chris4585: oh, uh..................
[05:02] <cyberanger> a late Congrats is in order
[05:09] <cyberanger1> chris4585: oh, uh..................
[05:09] <cyberanger1> a late Congrats is in order
[05:12] <chris4585> its alright
[05:13] <cyberanger> it will be so much easier for you to bitorrent the internet now ;-)
[05:15] <chris4585> mhm
[16:16] <Xpistos> hey er body
[16:16] <Xpistos> wrst
[16:20] <wrst> morning Xpistos what's up?
[16:21] <Xpistos> trying to track down a copy of joomla 1.0.0
[16:21] <wrst> hmm
[18:20] <Juzzy> heh
[18:20] <Juzzy> wtf for
[18:20] <Juzzy> how many exploits are out for 1.0? ;/
[18:30] <wrst> windows 8 anyone? http://www.withinwindows.com/2011/04/02/windows-8-secrets-windows-explorer-ribbon/
[20:38] <Xpistos> yuck
[20:46] <wrst> ha ha thought that would be a well loved post
[21:06] <Mighty_Penguin> wrst, I got a funny message
[21:06] <Mighty_Penguin> I destroyed the server on which the site is hosted on. Please stand by while we ponder what to do next. In the mean time, you can read the Windows 8 articles on Paul's Supersite or even the Within Windows Facebook page.
[21:07] <wrst> ha ha