[01:26] chris4585lappy: do you still use openbox too? [01:27] chris4585: [01:28] cyberanger, well, not currently, but its a love affair type thing [01:29] and unity isn't shifting that? or is it? [01:29] I don't think you can use openbox with unity, unity needs compiz [01:30] unity 2d could possibly use openbox I assume [01:31] I didn't mean at the same time, more of your preference [01:32] oh, I'd love to use openbox but compiz, unity, gnome... all appeal to me also [01:32] I've barely tried unity (between server work and repairs, just haven't gotten to it) [01:33] I can't wait for unity in 11.10 [01:33] I can't see myself using kde or gnome again, openbox and lxde just are too snappy [01:33] depends [01:34] unity at the last trial (month ago?) was buggy enough to be unsure where it fits [01:34] yeah, now its a bit different, It doesn't crash on me anymore like it did 3 weeks ago [01:35] I've used natty more recently, but my openbox build [01:36] I'm a bit sad to see no gnome in 11.10 but oh well [01:36] so I'll have to fire that back up [01:36] I kind of want to try the latest gnome 3 stuff on ubuntu, I'm sure someone will try making a remake with it [01:37] yeah, that'll be intresting, gotten so many used to the lucid feel [01:37] one of us at least [01:39] we seem to be the two doing custom builds the most here [01:40] thats the stuff I really enjoy doing, its like my hobby... [01:41] cyberanger OH! we're getting cable in ~2wks [01:41] for sure [01:41] yeah, same here, I'd do it more often if I could [01:41] I need to remaster a live disc of a few builds too [01:42] oh, cool [01:42] where's the hughesnet going after that then? [01:44] modem and such? [01:45] I'm not sure, probably going on craigslist or something [01:49] if I had openbox, I'd probably use awn with dockbarx, then for a launcher I'd use synapse or something [01:49] I'd still use nautilus, because well I love it lol [01:53] really, I love pcmanfm myself [01:54] its alright for the most part [01:54] what's the modem model? hn7000s or hn9000 or another one? [01:54] 9000s [01:55] ouch [01:55] why? [01:55] that's a harder one to sell [01:55] lol well then [01:55] it does the job just fine for me lol [01:56] hughesnet upgraded stuff, so called spotbeam tech [01:56] and locked it down [01:56] nobody but their techs can really do much with them [01:57] oh [01:57] and due to that lockdown, it's a nightmare [01:57] meh, I like the webui on it [01:58] can't switch transponders, use another satellite, or take it outside your grid [01:58] without calling them, getting approval [01:58] and sometimes pay a fee or two [01:59] it's the same (mostly) webui as the hn7000s [01:59] ah, well I don't really need to do anything like that and such, just need internet [01:59] but I can throw than in a truck, drive to seattle, vancouver, maine, flordia [02:00] no questions asked [02:00] ah [02:01] chris4585lappy: have you tried gnome shell? [02:01] lately [02:01] you might not do that, but that's troubleshooting I could do, as long as it wasn't locked to HN (which was a call to my boss at minimum) [02:01] I've never really tried it, just once for a few minutes over a yar ago [02:02] year* [02:02] and that's hassles reselling it will have too [02:02] I'd like to try gnome-shell on fedora whenever it comes out [02:02] chris4585lappy: i tried the gnome 3.0 live cd... i was unimpressed [02:02] not saying it can't be done, selling it, just that it was so much easier when I did this every few days [02:03] wrst: really, what was the downside on gnome 3 [02:03] just clunky and weird to me, unity makes much more sense [02:04] ah [02:04] well, can't see myself using it or kde anymore [02:04] could have just been me, but i do think they both make gnome 2.x show its age a little bit [02:04] but gnome is ubuntu atm [02:04] cyberanger, I found someone in orlando selling it for $30 lol [02:05] another guy satellite + modem $100 [02:05] and that's what I give out (read: shoving down somebody's throat) [02:05] chris4585lappy: yeah, it's not price it's hassle [02:05] wrst, I'd like to try gnome3 fallback [02:06] unfortunately, if lubuntu doesn't shape up a little more, idk what I'll do down the road for low end rigs [02:07] for regular users? [02:09] cyberanger gnome on arch is good on low end machines [02:10] I agree with that, or lxde [02:10] lxde could be [02:10] chris4585lappy: new users really [02:10] well thats kind of what I meant [02:11] well, newer, using it for cost more than geek status [02:11] wrst: no......... not for a new guy [02:13] bbiab [02:15] no not for a new person at all unless you are admining it for them [02:45] chris4585: i think they need to do away with the black and orange [02:49] wrst, what black? [02:49] I only see purple and orange [02:49] and I love it [02:49] the panels and the window title bars [02:49] with the transparent dock seems like you would go transparent all the way [02:50] yeah kind of, personally I'd rather have true blur instead [02:50] that would be nice.. [02:57] yes i agree but transparency is an improvement [03:04] back [03:05] wrst: I would be, at first [03:06] end result is them doing it or not, and with ubuntu currently, it's too quick [03:06] xubuntu is also fast, getting someone to be enough of an admin [03:07] xubuntu seems about as bloated as gnome to me cyberanger [03:07] xubuntu has no purpose imo.. [03:07] why xfce was even born is beyond me [03:08] just seems strange to mee too chris4585 [03:08] my custom builds on openbox are a bit more automated, but not really faster than gnome (kinda a point where learning is learning) [03:08] true, it used to be better [03:09] cyberanger, whats a good method for automating volume mounting in openbox? [03:09] part of that is due to the larger dependance now [03:10] chris4585: pcmanfm and nautilus make it as simple as clicking an icon [03:10] do you want it literally to automount? [03:10] cyberanger, hrm ok, I guess I haven't really tackled this problem in 3 years [03:11] I always used rox fm [03:12] there might be a need for an underlying system like hal [03:12] pcmanfm doesn't afaik, nautilus might [03:13] crunchbang members had a few ways, not sure what got into the offical builds [03:18] I'm betting hal was what they did, for earlier builds [03:22] well when I get cable again I'll start doing more [03:33] and classes should be nearing their end [03:33] further helping [03:34] cyberanger, I graduated HS back in Jan [03:34] lol === Moot2 is now known as MootBot [05:01] chris4585: oh, uh.................. [05:02] a late Congrats is in order [05:09] chris4585: oh, uh.................. [05:09] a late Congrats is in order === cyberanger1 is now known as cyberanger [05:12] its alright [05:13] it will be so much easier for you to bitorrent the internet now ;-) [05:15] mhm === wrst_ is now known as west === west is now known as wrst === orias_ is now known as orias === Xpistos1 is now known as Xpistos [16:16] hey er body [16:16] wrst [16:20] morning Xpistos what's up? [16:21] trying to track down a copy of joomla 1.0.0 [16:21] hmm [18:20] heh [18:20] wtf for [18:20] how many exploits are out for 1.0? ;/ [18:30] windows 8 anyone? http://www.withinwindows.com/2011/04/02/windows-8-secrets-windows-explorer-ribbon/ [20:38] yuck [20:46] ha ha thought that would be a well loved post [21:06] wrst, I got a funny message [21:06] I destroyed the server on which the site is hosted on. Please stand by while we ponder what to do next. In the mean time, you can read the Windows 8 articles on Paul's Supersite or even the Within Windows Facebook page. [21:07] ha ha