[02:20] <cnd> LLStarks, thanks for the report, I marked it as a duplicate of a similar report
[02:21] <cnd> basically, the functionality isn't gone, it's just not enabled by default in natty anymore
[02:21] <RAOF> What are you doing up this late on a Sunday, cnd? :)
[02:22]  * bryceh <-- doing taxes
[02:23] <bryceh> bleah
[02:23] <RAOF> Fun!
[02:30] <RAOF> Hm.  The espresso machine should have warmed up by now.  Coffeeeeeeeeeeee!
[02:35] <LLStarks> cnd, that's not very nice. the "two-fingered scrolling" option now provides ZERO SCROLLING
[02:36] <LLStarks> no side-of-trackpad scrolling. nothing. if you try to scroll, the cursor jumps.
[02:37] <LLStarks> *very nice behavior
[03:36] <cnd> LLStarks, if you set the mouse preferences to edge scrolling it should work
[03:36] <cnd> it's not like we just decided that two finger scrolling shouldn't be allowed :)
[03:36] <cnd> but enabling it by default for certain trackpads can cause erratic behavior
[03:37] <cnd> RAOF, wife is gone for two months biking across the US
[03:37] <cnd> just left yesterday
[03:37] <cnd> so I've got quite a bit more time on my hands
[03:37] <cnd> I spent most of today watching "Weeds"
[03:37] <cnd> which is really good, btw
[03:38] <cnd> bryceh, I hope doing taxes means you get a nice refund :)
[03:38] <cnd> I had to pay a little bit back this year
[03:40] <RAOF> cnd: That sounds both interesting and kinda sucky.
[03:40] <cnd> pretty much :(
[05:24] <LLStarks> cnd, if we're  sticking with this change. the mouse properties interface needs to reflect it. like a greyed out.
[05:24] <LLStarks> *out option.
[05:24] <LLStarks> should i inform the proper people?
[05:25] <LLStarks> btw, is this only for certain touchpads or all?
[05:25] <LLStarks> *all synaptics
[10:11] <RAOF> Sarvatt_: Is there any particular reason mesa -0ubuntu4 is UNRELEASED, or was it just beta-freezed?
[10:16] <jcristau> iirc there was some confusion over some snb stuff?
[10:17] <tjaalton> http://www.ispyce.com/2011/04/video-explains-multitasking-and-user.html
[10:18] <tjaalton> pre-X11 multitasking :)
[10:47] <alkisg> I'm trying to get nvidia/vanta going on a netbooted hardy chroot on my lucid server
[10:48] <alkisg> The nvidia logo displays, but glxgears complains about the glx extension missing
[10:48] <alkisg> xorg.6.log claims that it loaded glx, so I'm at a loss, any help?
[10:48] <tjaalton> what does glxinfo say?
[10:49] <alkisg> It produces some output (can't copy/paste), but every other line it also says "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display :6.0"
[10:50] <tjaalton> put the xorg logfile somewhere
[10:52] <alkisg> tjaalton: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589189/
[10:53] <alkisg> and xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589191/
[10:54] <tjaalton> (EE) GLX is not supported with the Composite extension
[10:56] <alkisg> Thank you, so how would I disable composite?
[10:58] <tjaalton> Section "Extensions" Option  "Composite" "Disable"
[10:58] <tjaalton> EndSection
[10:58] <alkisg> Thank you very much
[10:58] <tjaalton> with a linebreak before Option
[11:01] <alkisg> Works fine, thanks again. Now to do this via LTSP instead of manually...
[11:43] <alkisg> xterm scrolls sooooo fast remotely... 5-6 times faster than gnome-terminal, gedit or firefox... :-/
[13:04] <cnd> LLStarks, we can't disable two finger scrolling as an option because these trackpads can still do it, but they have to be tweaked to be able to do so
[13:05] <cnd> this is only for trackpads that report the pressure but not the number of fingers on the trackpad
[13:05] <cnd> I believe this is a small minority of all synaptics trackpads
[13:39] <tjaalton> cnd: is bug 749493 dupe of bug 742567?
[13:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 749493 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) "evdev ignores axis swap and inversion for Cando touch screen (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/749493
[13:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 742567 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "multitouch events do not respect swap/invert axes properties (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742567
[13:45] <cnd> tjaalton, looks like it
[13:45] <cnd> I'll dupe it
[13:45] <tjaalton> cnd: thanks
[14:32] <cnd`> tjaalton, would you be able to upload a new version of evdev: http://people.canonical.com/~cndougla/utouch/
[14:33] <cnd`> it fixes bug 573006
[14:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 573006 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Touch screen driver clicks at wrong location (affects: 8) (heat: 50)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/573006
[14:33] <tjaalton> cnd`: I've got a quirk to add to it, but after that yes
[14:33] <tjaalton> a quirk for the ubuntu-branded two-button mouse
[14:35] <cnd`> ahh
[14:35] <cnd> tjaalton, let me push my change to git
[14:35] <cnd> I forgot to do that
[14:36] <cnd> then you can make your change and upload
[14:36] <tjaalton> yep
[14:36] <cnd> ok, pushed
[14:37] <tjaalton> ..pulled :)
[15:02] <tjaalton> cnd: uploaded and pushed
[15:03] <cnd> tjaalton, thanks!
[15:36] <seaLne> hi, for the last few weeks in natty i've lost the ability on my laptop (Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller) to be able to use the external vga or hdmi outputs. they don't appear in xrandr output (or kde system settings display module). all xrandr shows is an output called default whereas before i had something like LVDS1, HDMI1 and VGA1
[15:37] <seaLne> if i connect a monitor to either of those outputs i get what looks like a 1024xsomething view of my laptop screen which is 1366x768
[15:38] <seaLne> i'm not even sure where to start looking to track down what is causing it
[15:41] <seaLne> Xorg.0.log: http://paste.kde.org/8905/
[15:44] <JanC> seaLne: looks like there is no 'intel' driver on your system, so X uses the 'vesa' driver ?
[16:00] <seaLne> JanC: arrg some conflict must have uninstalled it and i never noticed, let me check that
[16:03]  * seaLne hugs JanC 
[16:03] <seaLne> JanC: thanks i can't believe i never noticed it got uninstalled
[16:06] <JanC> seaLne: I'm not sure you're familiar with the Xorg logs, but lines that have (EE) near the front are error messages, in this case the error at line 107 in your paste was relevant
[16:07] <JanC> also, (II) = information and (WW) = warning
[16:10] <seaLne> yeah thanks, not sure how i missed that. i think i some how got it into my head that it must be something really complex so missed the obvious things a few years ago when X was harder i'd have noticed instantly
[17:00] <cnd> tjaalton, there's an update to empcommand (the multitouch game you uploaded a while back): bug 749755
[17:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 749755 in empcommand (Ubuntu) "unclear licensing for the enclosed font and some samples (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/749755
[17:00] <cnd> if you're not too busy could you upload it?
[18:19] <bryceh> cnd, I got it
[18:44] <cnd> bryceh, ahh, thanks!
[18:45] <cnd> we at least will have one multitouch game in natty at release :)
[18:46] <bryceh> cnd, :-)
[23:50] <kees> what's the best way to answer the question, "Which versions of Ubuntu's X server have upstream commit 5725849a1b427cd4a72b84e57f211edb35838718 in it?"
[23:53] <bryceh> kees, simplest would be to grep for the commit in the various versions' ChangeLog
[23:54] <bryceh> kees, however that will miss if the commit was added as a patch, so also grep in debian/patches/* for completeness (and then doublecheck patch is enabled in debian/patches/series)
[23:54] <bryceh> kees, an alternative method would involve using git show in the ubuntu git branch for each release
[23:55] <bryceh> however I think we only have branches for maverick and natty, and can't guarantee that someone didn't upload something without committing to the stable branch