[00:00] <leapy0yo> vlc has multithread enabled by default , right?
[00:00] <hachre> fds2: did it work?
[00:01] <kostas13> wasup
[00:01] <bobmanuk> hachre: its seems to have found boot images which is exellent
[00:01] <hachre> bobmanuk: awesome
[00:02] <bobmanuk> hachre: many thanks, only problem is, windows wasnt one of them... any thoughts?
[00:02] <test34> mickster04, exactly unless maybe if they have a program installed on your computer..
[00:02] <hachre> bobmanuk: once your ubuntu boots again, do the update-grub again from within it should find windows too then
[00:02] <mickster04> test34: eitherway, why would they stop the ls?
[00:02] <mickster04> test34: it's highly unlikely that the two are related imo
[00:03] <bobmanuk> hachre: okidoke, i shall be back in a bit :)
[00:03] <Morydd> I'm trying to use gddrescue to recover data from a corrupt SD card. ddrescue -r 3 /media/disk /home/sean/backup/phone/image /home/sean/backup/phone/log Output: http://pastoid.com/b48
[00:03] <test34> mickster04, you are right
[00:04] <ac7ss> mortu, The only thing that the ISP can do is limit the port being called. (I am ssh to a comcast client now, all comcast will see is a connection between the two computers, no content.)
[00:04] <ac7ss> mortu, s/client/customer/g
[00:04] <leapy0yo> vlc has multithread enabled by default , right?
[00:05] <ac7ss> leapy0yo, what do you mean multithread?
[00:05] <mickster04> leapy0yo: why does it matter? if you are streaming then it has to be...
[00:05] <kingcheese26> hello people
[00:05] <[clay]> is there any reason why a smb entry in my /etc/fstab wouldn't mount on boot, but mounts find when i do mount -a ?
[00:06] <leapy0yo> I mean is it cpu multithreaded for local files, is vlc that?
[00:06] <ac7ss> [clay], perhaps the network interface is not fully up when the boot mount command is issued.
[00:06] <[clay]> possible. how would i get around this, stick mount -a in my rc.local?
[00:06] <gunny17> hello kingcheese
[00:06] <test34> clay, does it have auto
[00:07] <ac7ss> [clay], are you dhcp or fixed Ip. (Fixed IP would be faster if an option.)
[00:07] <test34> nevermind..
[00:07] <[clay]> dhcp
[00:07] <hachre> is it wired
[00:07] <Osmodivs> I have a problem with my McroSD memory card, Ubuntu wont mount the MC, it recognizes the MC adaptor, but not the memory card
[00:07] <[clay]> yes
[00:07] <[clay]> wired
[00:07] <tr3nton> don't know if anyone can help me... I need to re-install ubu on another hdd as I think my current one is about to cark it. The issue is to get net, I need to install additional drivers, but the router is on the other side of the house, and I don't currently have a network cable that long; is there a way I can copy the drivers from my existing install, and install it whilst being offline on the new install?
[00:07] <mickster04> leapy0yo: that doesn't make sense, why wouldit need multithreading? what are you doing with these local files? if you are just playing it doesn't need to be?
[00:08] <ac7ss> [clay], changing it to static IP will make the connection quicker to establish.
[00:08] <[clay]> tr3nton, take pc to router?
[00:08] <[clay]> :D
[00:08] <snake_> how can I tie my external IP to my device on my computer (eth0)
[00:09] <[clay]> ok i'll give that a shot. it's "static dhcp" anyway
[00:09] <induz> why I can not open pd file from web browser mozilla
[00:09] <[clay]> now to figure out how to lol
[00:09] <tr3nton> hmm.. yeah. its possible. but a bit of a huge hassle.. thought there might be a way to extract drivers somehow? lol
[00:09] <ac7ss> snake_, You have to port forward in the router.
[00:09] <induz> some pdf webbrowser is just plain back
[00:09] <ac7ss> [clay], it would be part of the ifup setup.
[00:09] <hachre> tr3nton: how would you install the drivers if you had net
[00:10] <snake_> ac7ss, oh I tried that... damn you VERIZON!
[00:10] <sdimkov> Can someone compare Mutter and Compiz for me? Which has stronger community and therefore more rapid development. Which is currently outperforming the other ?
[00:10] <tr3nton> SYstem -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers (10.04)
[00:10] <ac7ss> snake_, what port are you attempting to use?
[00:10] <mickster04> !compare | sdimkov
[00:10] <mickster04> sdimkov: opinions are best found in !offtopic
[00:10] <hachre> tr3nton: ah those.. which ones do you need
[00:10] <snake_> ac7ss, 80. My ISP blocks every single port, and I somehow can still use the internet..
[00:11] <snake_> ac7ss, Verizon makes it tough.
[00:11] <Osmodivs> Does anyone knows how to make Ubuntu recognize my memory card? It only recognizes the adaptor, not the memory card, just a few minutes ago it was working well
[00:11] <tr3nton> hachre: its broadcom b43 wireless driver
[00:11] <ac7ss> snake_, is 8080 blocked? (usually anything above 8000 is not blocked.)
[00:11] <snake_> Osmodivs, mabye it's in backwards :P
[00:12] <Osmodivs> snake, nah
[00:12] <GaryD> why isn't gimp recognizing my ps brushes?
[00:12] <Horse7> gay
[00:12] <Horse7> gay
[00:12] <FloodBot1> Horse7: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:12] <ac7ss> snake_, I believe there is some service out there that will be a proxy for you. bet I cannot help more than that.
[00:12] <snake_> ac7ss, one moment, I'll check on canyouseeme.org
[00:12] <bernie> can anyone explain how to make compiz the default window manager for a gnome session in ubuntu natty?
[00:12] <snake_> PROXY! why didn't I think of that :P
[00:12] <hachre> tr3nton: its quite complicated, you should really hook it up with a wired connection and install it like that
[00:12] <snake_> I used a proxy to get on youtube at school!
[00:13] <snake_> and I didn't think of it here, in real life.
[00:13] <tr3nton> hachre: oh ok no worries. thanks :)
[00:13] <bernie> the custom tab for choosing the window manager in gnome-appearance-settings is gone...
[00:13] <hachre> tr3nton: it needs to download several things also based on your exact hardware that it figures out while you look at that menu
[00:13] <bobmanuk> hachre: no dice, still get no OS found
[00:13] <snake_> ac7ss, no luck on port 8080. BUt thanks for the proxy idea.
[00:13] <hachre> bobmanuk: even though update-grub ran?
[00:14] <ac7ss> snake_, thanks for that site. Beware, if you over-use the connection, verizon can charge you for excessive traffic.
[00:14] <hachre> bobmanuk: maybe you need to install grub then
[00:14] <bobmanuk> hachre: yeah, found linux, memtest86
[00:14] <bobmanuk> probably
[00:14] <tr3nton> hachre: yeah. just looking at some ubuntuforums post. does like quite an in depth process
[00:15] <dale_> ok im having a problem here with dpkg... it seems to continuously run, even when i can find no program using it.
[00:15] <Riaku> ubuntu software center says: waiting for dpkg to exit
[00:15] <powerpc_> hi
[00:16] <powerpc_> how do I remove all desktop/X packages from ubuntu so that I get the console screen to login and operate?
[00:16] <hachre> bobmanuk: you need to go back into live, select your ubuntu drive in the UI, check sudo mount again in the console, look at its mountpoint e.g. /media/ubuntu and then do: sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/ubuntu/boot /dev/sda
[00:16] <powerpc_> (like -server would give me by default)
[00:17] <bobmanuk> hachre: thanks, just mounting now, hate this, the mount path randomly changes and is very... long lol
[00:17] <hachre> bobmanuk: you can copy and paste it in the gnome-terminal
[00:17] <bobmanuk> hachre: in the process of now
[00:17] <Nick0001> Someone had sucess in running Firefox 4 + flash on amd 64 machines?
[00:18] <evil> Hi all.
[00:19] <Brwa> hi
[00:19] <zimm3r> When I use Grub Xubuntu boots fine but with Windows Grub errors saying Unrecognized Command: 'drivemap' (same if I just use map)
[00:19] <Logan_> !flash64bit | Nick0001
[00:19] <hachre> bobmanuk: wait
[00:20] <hachre> bobmanuk: do you use grub or grub2, do you know?
[00:20] <bobmanuk> grub2
[00:20] <hachre> ok then continue
[00:20] <megalinux> gfgyf
[00:20] <_3vi1> Here's a stupid question:  I was just trying the latest daily of Ubuntu (I'm primarily a Kubuntu user) in virtualbox, and it doesn't look like it's using the Unity desktop.  Did they back off on that decision, or what?
[00:20] <Nick0001> Ubottu is a bot? With firefox 3.6 plugin works ok, but with the FF 4 it says that the plugin arent installed
[00:20] <bobmanuk> hachre: ok, it says grub2 installed without errors
[00:20] <hachre> bobmanuk: you should use update-grub2 within ubuntu then to fix windows
[00:20] <hachre> good luck on this reboot ;)
[00:20] <Riaku> i seem to have a problem with dpkg if anyone can help... im pretty newb, but software center says "waiting for dpkg to exit" continuously for over 12 hours if i let it, and i cannot find anything using it.
[00:20] <bobmanuk> hachre: sudo chroot /dev ?!?
[00:21] <hachre> no
[00:21] <bobmanuk> hachre: i forgot
[00:21] <hachre> just reboot
[00:21] <bobmanuk> ok
[00:21] <bobmanuk> brb
[00:21] <ejv> how do you ignore based on hostmask in irssi? :)
[00:22] <_3vi1> So, my question is:  For 11.04, are they using Unity or Gnome Panel?  I get the Gnome Panel when I log in to a fresh install. of the daily.
[00:22] <hachre> ejv: i wuold say /ignore *!*@*host*
[00:22] <mickster04> ejv: ask them, this is ubuntu support :p
[00:22] <viking667> trying to fsck a ext4 filesystem on a vm, but the journal appears to be causing the jbd module to lock up. how can I get this filesystem sorted?
[00:22] <ejv> perfect, thanks hachre
[00:22] <buhman> I have contacts in my evolution address book, but when I try to compose a message, I can't seem to make it *see* the contacts, even when I enter the search dialog.
[00:23] <viking667> vmware server, on Vista host, with maverick client
[00:23] <powerpc_> how do I delete all packages pertaining to a meta package?
[00:23] <Jordan_U> hachre: The grub-install command you gave bobmanuk was incorrect. If you pass --root-directory= it needs to point to the *root* directory, not the boot directory.
[00:23] <powerpc_> a simple aptitude remove <metapackage> only deleted that one package (ubuntu-desktop)
[00:23] <hachre> Jordan_U: shouldnt it fail then?
[00:24] <Darkenvy> how can I scp wildcard but without a folder(s)?
[00:24] <Darkenvy> scp xxx@xxx:~/* [minus folder/file]
[00:24] <mjw3763> exit
[00:24] <viking667> scp user@host:/place/* ./
[00:24] <hachre> Jordan_U: well thanks, i will give him the bad news once he is back ;)
[00:24] <Darkenvy> so If I dont want folder "dynmap" to copy then:
[00:24] <Jordan_U> hachre: No, because grub is still installed, it's just going to look for a grub.cfg in /boot/boot/grub/grub.cfg instead of /boot/grub/grub.cfg (which means that bobmanuk will just get a grub shell at boot since no grub.cfg will be found).
[00:25] <Darkenvy> scp user@host:/place/* ./dynmap
[00:25] <hachre> Jordan_U: ahh right
[00:25] <hachre> Jordan_U: ok
[00:25] <viking667> Oh. I see. You don't want directories as well. tricky.
[00:25] <hachre> Jordan_U: thanks!
[00:25] <viking667> sftp
[00:25] <ninwa> Is it possible to use the Ubuntu 11.04 software center with the reviews and ratings inside of Ubuntu 10.10?
[00:25] <Jordan_U> hachre: You're welcome.
[00:25] <Darkenvy> well dynap is so huge and has 10000 files
[00:26] <viking667> darkenvy: you'd be better off to use sftp
[00:26] <Brwa> is there a text editor  supported RTL direction like notepad++ in windows?
[00:26] <Darkenvy> same with another folder "beta" is symlinked and is 2GB big
[00:26] <WeThePeople> how do i check what version of ubuntu i am using in the terminal
[00:26] <Darkenvy> better off? as in yuo dont know?
[00:26] <ninwa> Brwa, gedit does.
[00:26] <viking667> WeThePeople: cat /etc/issue
[00:26] <hachre> Jordan_U: so if /boot is on a seperate filesystem it would actually fail without a symlink back to itself?
[00:26] <Darkenvy> I know exclusion cant be too hard
[00:26] <Brwa> how?
[00:26] <ninwa> Brwa, it's under Applications -> accessories -> text editor
[00:26] <ninwa> right click on an open part of the document
[00:26] <viking667> DarkEnvy: I don't hink scp does exclusion
[00:26] <ninwa> it's under unicode control character, then rtl
[00:27] <ninwa> or I guess it's in there as RLE
[00:27] <Brwa> i know it does but only part by part
[00:27] <Darkenvy> what about copy and pasting exculsion?
[00:27] <ac7ss> WeThePeople, uname or do you want the '10.4' type information.
[00:27] <Brwa> i have a document with 500 parts
[00:27] <Darkenvy> make a new dir and copy everything but
[00:27] <hachre> bobmanuk: i gave you a wrong command, wb
[00:27] <hachre> bobmanuk: did you get a grub shell?
[00:27] <Brwa> i mean 500 lines
[00:27] <bobmanuk> hachre: i got a grub command prompt yeah
[00:27] <Jordan_U> hachre: No. Grub determines the path that should be embedded into the core.img with "grub-mkrelpath" so mount points are taken into account. There is also a separate --boot-directory= option.
[00:27] <ninwa> Brwa, hm. :) Not sure.
[00:27] <viking667> darkenvy: what the heck are you using?
[00:28] <hachre> bobmanuk: heh, sorry bout that, Jordan_U pointed out after you left i had a mistake in my command
[00:28] <Darkenvy> server ubuntu
[00:28] <hachre> Jordan_U: ahh ok :)
[00:28] <bobmanuk> hachre: im on a laptop so i can do it on my pc while im on here lol
[00:28] <hachre> bobmanuk: you need to repeat what we just did
[00:28] <Brwa> any other tip/solutions ?
[00:28] <viking667> darkenvy: then what's wrong with using sftp interactively?
[00:28] <Riaku> lets see im attempting to add ubuntu to a laptop im working on, formatted the harddrive, ect... for it, i begin to install, and it freezes, occasionally on the menu after choosign the language/try it/install, occasionally on the steps afterward, but it never finishes the installer
[00:28] <Darkenvy> im not installing ftp
[00:28] <bobmanuk> hachre: ok loading the livecd again
[00:28] <hachre> bobmanuk: but this time the command is (sec)
[00:28] <viking667> scp probably doesn't do exclusion. I know it does recursion
[00:29] <Darkenvy> so what about cp a dir and exlude then?
[00:29] <Darkenvy> then I can scp that new dir
[00:29] <hachre> bobmanuk: sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/ubuntu /dev/sda
[00:29] <viking667> darkenvy: sftp is a ftp client that connects to a remote ssh server and pulls the files through your normal ssh link.
[00:29] <hachre> bobmanuk: the difference is we had a /boot attached to the path before
[00:39] <viking667> darkenvy: hm? where does it think you are?  pwd tells you
[00:39] <ac7ss> [clay], did you see my post before the split?
[00:39] <Brwa> is there a text editor  supported RTL direction like notepad++ in windows?
[00:39] <[clay]> saying use anacron?
[00:39] <bobmanuk> hachre: finds a linux, initrd, memtest86. no windows
[00:39] <viking667> brwa: I thought kate or gedit supported that?
[00:39] <Brwa> no they don't
[00:39] <Darkenvy> im using nautilus
[00:39] <_3vi1> So... does anyone know why I get the Gnome Panel when I install the daily's in virtual box.  Did I miss a memo?  Is Unity being passed for this release?
[00:39] <viking667> uh.
[00:39] <ac7ss> [clay], yeah, or something in etc/init
[00:39] <hachre> bobmanuk: you are in your ubuntu the one that we just made bootable now?
[00:39] <[clay]> ac7ss, thing is i don't even see anything in dmesg saying there was a problem
[00:39] <viking667> sorry. I don't use RTL
[00:39] <Darkenvy> going to /home only shows "ftp" a folder that doesnt exist when I ssh
[00:39] <[clay]> it's like it doesn't even try
[00:39] <th0r> _3vi1: try ubuntu+1
[00:39] <Darkenvy> RTL?
[00:39] <Brwa> in notepad++ there is an action called Change direction RTL
[00:39] <viking667> weird. did you use this:   sftp -l user host
[00:39] <bobmanuk> hachre: yes, im in the actual "proper" installed version of linux
[00:39] <Darkenvy> no
[00:39] <cipher_> Hi I just installed ubuntu 10.10 and am able to access the internet with a usb ethernet card; however my internal card will connect to a network, get a icmp response, however I can not actually connect to websites.
[00:39] <Darkenvy> connect to server from gui
[00:39] <maharaja> guys, i am struggling with nfs permissions it shows nobody/nogroup issue
[00:39] <hachre> bobmanuk: strange it tshould find it...
[00:39] <ruan> Brwa: what is the function of that?
[00:39] <ac7ss> [clay], if it mounts fine later, then the issue can be resolved with a delayed mount.
[00:39] <maharaja> any pointers? i checked the idmapd configs as well
[00:39] <hachre> bobmanuk: is it on the same disk?
[00:39] <bobmanuk> hachre: may have to google this one, i think the loader may have taken a wonder off of that partition
[00:39] <viking667> DarkEnvy: so did you use:    sftp user@host   ?
[00:39] <sdimkov> Can someone compare Mutter and Compiz for me? Which has stronger community and therefore more rapid development. Which is currently outperforming the other ?
[00:39] <Darkenvy> no
[00:39] <Darkenvy> I want a GUI
[00:39] <Brwa> changing direction
[00:39] <bobmanuk> hachre: yes, same disk
[00:39] <hachre> bobmanuk: what windows version is it
[00:39] <cipher_> I cannot connect to any websites for assistance help would be very appreciated :p
[00:39] <viking667> DarkEnvy: then fire up nautilus.
[00:39] <bobmanuk> hachre: 7
[00:39] <Brwa> from LTR to RTL
[00:39] <Darkenvy> that is what im in viking
[00:39] <ac7ss> !compare | sdimkov
[00:39] <Darkenvy> omg this split suuuuuuucks
[00:39] <hachre> bobmanuk: well i can tell you how to get windows back to a working state but then your grub will be gone again
[00:39] <bobmanuk> hachre: the boot DVD wont repair the boot either
[00:40] <viking667> darkenvy: and how are you trying to connnect to the remote host?
[00:40] <bobmanuk> i tried
[00:40] <Darkenvy> yes
[00:40] <Darkenvy> I can get in just fine
[00:40] <Darkenvy> see all my dirs inlcuing /home
[00:40] <hachre> bobmanuk: you have to go into the recovery options -> open the console and enter bootrec /fixboot and bootrec /fixmbr
[00:40] <viking667> *blink* *blink*
[00:40] <bobmanuk> hachre: done that
[00:40] <hachre> bobmanuk: then grub will be gone and windows should start
[00:40] <Darkenvy> but inside /home does not exist "minecraft"
[00:40] <ruan> Darkenvy: ctrl h
[00:40] <Darkenvy> it should be located at ~/minecraft
[00:40] <bobmanuk> hachre: it says it worked, but when i reboot, no OS
[00:41] <hachre> bobmanuk: then i would say your windows boot stuff is severly borked
[00:41] <Darkenvy> doesnt help ruan
[00:41] <hachre> bobmanuk: maybe thats why it isnt found by grub
[00:41] <ruan> Darkenvy: is it in root?
[00:41] <Darkenvy> it acts like the flder doesnt exit
[00:41] <Darkenvy> yes
[00:41] <Darkenvy> I work in root when I ssh
[00:41] <hachre> bobmanuk: is the windows important to you?
[00:41] <Darkenvy> its also the only account on this server
[00:41] <ruan> i mean, root of the drive or in your home dir?
[00:41] <Darkenvy> (using a server host)
[00:41] <bobmanuk> hachre: i was hoping it wasnt coming to this lol, it kinda was yes, i have access to files and what not
[00:41] <_3vi1> Found the solution to my problem myself:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1717352
[00:41] <Darkenvy> root@xxxx.com
[00:42] <hachre> bobmanuk: well you can partition a drive, if you have the space on the same disk
[00:42] <_3vi1> http://chrisblunt.com/2011/04/02/ubuntu-11-04-beta-how-to-test-unity-in-virtualbox-4/
[00:42] <hachre> bobmanuk: install windows into that partition
[00:42] <_3vi1> l8r all.
[00:42] <hachre> bobmanuk: the new bootloader should also see the old windows and boot it too
[00:42] <ruan> drive root = the first directory of a drive
[00:42] <ruan> well
[00:42] <Darkenvy> yes
[00:42] <ruan> ok
[00:42] <hachre> bobmanuk: but the bootloader will be on the new partition not the old one so you cant get rid of it easily
[00:42] <bobmanuk> hachre: i just didnt want to have to go throguh the windows reinstall, assignments are due in a few weeks... grrr, oh well, needs must
[00:42] <[clay]> ac7ss, stuck mount -a in rc.local. things seem to behave
[00:42] <hachre> bobmanuk: yea if the recovery commands fail to fix htis
[00:43] <hachre> bobmanuk: i see no other way :/
[00:43] <Traineesysadmin> are there any ubuntu server edition (NO GUI) that will work on 64 mb ram?
[00:43] <ruan> Darkenvy: what exactly are you looking for?
[00:43] <Darkenvy> how to I get to ~/minecraft through nautilus sftp? I tried: "sftp://root@xxxx.com:~/minecraft" with no avail
[00:43] <Darkenvy> in my home folder is a folder named "minecraft"
[00:43] <ac7ss> [clay], sounds great
[00:43] <bobmanuk> hachre: yeah... at least i have access to my install iso, i needed to burn a new copy anyway lol
[00:43] <bobmanuk> cheers guys, have a great day/night
[00:43] <hachre> bobmanuk: cya!
[00:43] <ruan> Darkenvy: are you looking for /.minecraft? or did you make the dir 'minecraft' yourself
[00:44] <Darkenvy> but inside the home folder (when viewed in nautilus) the home folde ronly has "ftp" folder
[00:44] <Brwa> any developer can give me 5 minute in PM
[00:44] <Darkenvy> I made it myself
[00:44] <Darkenvy> inside /home
[00:44] <bobmanuk> ccna exam in about 12 hours.... ffffff :(
[00:44] <ruan> right..
[00:44] <Darkenvy> as root
[00:44] <ruan> ftp, hmm
[00:44] <fisch246> anyone know what file points to or asks for "/usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/libcanberra-ready-sound.desktop"?
[00:44] <hachre> im calling it a night too
[00:44] <hachre> bye guys :)
[00:44] <rodd> Hi, does anyone knows a good alternative to gparted? this one crashes all the time
[00:45] <Darkenvy> "Could not find "sftp://root@xxxxx.com/home/minecraft"."
[00:45] <Omega> Darkenvy: what is the username?
[00:45] <Darkenvy> thats when I went to /home and typed in /minecraft myself
[00:45] <th0r> rodd: fdisk from the commandline
[00:45] <Darkenvy> username is root
[00:45] <krux> Traineesysadmin, without gui the server edition should work..
[00:45] <Omega> sftp://root@xxxxx.com/home/root/minecraft
[00:45] <DrGrov> dpjuve06
[00:46] <Darkenvy> same message
[00:46] <DrGrov> Oh, damn. What was that? LOL
[00:46] <ruan> lol
[00:46] <viking667>  DarkEnvy: does your sshd_config contain AllowRootLogin: yes
[00:46] <Omega> Darkenvy: Are you sure it's in root's home?
[00:46] <Darkenvy> yes I am sure omega
[00:46] <Darkenvy> ~/minecraft
[00:47] <Darkenvy> idk viking667
[00:47] <Darkenvy> I have never has issues sshing before this
[00:47] <viking667> Darkenvy: see if that's an issue.
[00:47] <DrGrov> Sorry for off-topic
[00:47] <Darkenvy> where is it located? /etc/???
[00:47] <danielcg25> Xgnokii just says connection. Is something wrong?
[00:47] <viking667> /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[00:47] <ruan> yeah. can be opened from ssh as well
[00:48] <viking667> DarkEnvy: and why on EARTH are you running minecraft as the root user?
[00:48] <Darkenvy> permitrootlogin  = yes
[00:48] <fisch246> i'll take to that as a no... alright i'll wait for a response on the forums then
[00:48] <viking667> surely it doesn't require a port open < 1024?
[00:48] <Darkenvy> viking this is irrelevent
[00:48] <Darkenvy> its a dedicated server with one purpose ><
[00:48] <viking667> no, it's pretty relevant to your security issues, actually.
[00:49] <viking667> I would have created a minecraft user specifically to use minecraft.
[00:49] <Darkenvy> but not relevent to this issue
[00:49] <viking667> that way, you could have sucked the files over without the permitrootuser getting in the way. Currently yours is set so you can suck files over. What path is your minecraft directory, absolutely? (not relatively)
[00:50] <Darkenvy> I do ssh root@xxx.com:~/minecraft
[00:50] <leapy0yo> how do i configure mplayer's config file  ?  lavdopt=threads=2 or what?
[00:50] <Darkenvy> its /home/minecraft
[00:50] <viking667> darkenvy: that's why it's failing.
[00:50] <Darkenvy> a manual folder I created
[00:50] <Darkenvy> I have said its location over 5 times already
[00:51] <viking667> your home directory for root user is usually pinned to /root
[00:51] <Darkenvy> it...
[00:51] <Darkenvy> ...it is?
[00:51] <Somelauw> When using urxvt accents only work when mouse is inside the terminal window?
[00:51] <viking667> just because root creates a /home/minecraft doesn't mean that's automatically root's home directory too.
[00:51] <markitoxs> why when I do ssh root@server alsamixer it doesnt work?
[00:51] <fennucci> is there a limit to how many OS's I can instal and partition on win7 machine
[00:51] <snake_> markitoxs, are you running the openssh-server on your server?
[00:51] <markitoxs> snake, yes, i get: Error opening terminal: unknown.
[00:51] <snake_> markitoxs, sorry, I actually just got into ssh today.
[00:51] <markitoxs> or if I try ssh root@server screen -rr  i get instead:  Must be connected to a terminal.
[00:51] <guyinmass> Hey guys I asked this in #fluxbox and #chromium-support but nobody anwered--- any idea how to start chromium in fluxbox on ubuntu 10.10? I dont have an option for it anywhere :(
[00:51] <Darkenvy> DAMNIT
[00:51] <markitoxs> ruan, but it doesnt... ?
[00:51] <Darkenvy> another split?
[00:52] <DrGrov> Perhaps time to keep the computer screen on and not just type random words
[00:52] <DrGrov> How can I check in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS if I have the SSH server turned on?
[00:52] <DrGrov> I would need to get my SSH set up at home so I can easily access it from on trips
[00:52] <viking667> DarkEnvy: so, ~/minecraft would look at /root/minecraft
[00:53] <th0r> DrGrov: ps -ax | grep sshd
[00:53] <viking667> if you specify scp root@host:/home/minecraft    you'll get the files under /home/minecraft
[00:53] <snake_> why so many disconnections?
[00:53] <ruan> netsplit?
[00:53] <Flannel> snake_: network issues it seems
[00:53] <viking667> ruan: I smell a bit worse... DDNS, perhaps
[00:54] <ruan> irssi says there is currently no netsplit occurring though
[00:54] <paisano> fedora will hack your selinux just to mess up your fonts
[00:54] <snake_> !netsplit
[00:54] <ruan> oh i forgot. i turned joins/leaves off
[00:56] <Darkenvy> viking667 thanks
[00:56] <cipher_> My internal wireless card can ping google successfully and apt-get works. however every website will not resolve. wget would just display 0.0.0.0 as the ip address and fail.
[00:56] <Darkenvy> viking667 I dont ever usually work in root
[00:56] <viking667> DarkEnvy: that's why I don't NORMALLY work in root. Saves mistakes like yours.
[00:56] <Darkenvy> viking667 its this server host that preloads linux, always needed to BE root... blah blah
[00:57] <viking667> there's no reason why you can't set up another user to actually ssh in AS.
[00:57] <Darkenvy> I jjsut never made a user, thus now all my backup cron scripts are pointed to root ><
[00:57] <viking667> just the same as there's no reason to make minecroft run as root unless it requires a port below 1024
[00:57] <Darkenvy> no
[00:58] <Darkenvy> it doesnt
[00:58] <Kamakazi> Question of the day, my ubuntu install seems to have a ton of bass when I am watching movies, I have a 2.1 setup and onboard Realtec audio, is there any way to change the bass settigns?
[00:58] <viking667> then that's what I'd strongly advise. If someone has some sort of exploit against minecraft that can make the server dump out to some sort of shell/python/perl executable, you're screwed, in effect.
[00:59] <viking667> if it's running as its own user, it's harder to elevate privileges to root.
[00:59] <cipher_> I have updated info for my question: Hi i am able to ping google successfully and use apt-get; however I cannot connect to any websites :(. I am on ubuntu 10.10. I am able to connect however through a usb card.
[01:00] <Darkenvy> I see
[01:00] <ac7ss> Kamakazi, try the sound preferances on the volume icon. or look into using amixer to adjust settings.
[01:01] <Darkenvy> so....
[01:01] <viking667> Meanwhile, I think I'll have to kiss my darn VM goodbye...
[01:01] <Darkenvy> if the path is ~/minecraft this = /root/minecraft when in root. if im in a user though than is ~/minecraft = /home/minecraft?
[01:02] <ruan>  /home/user/minecraft
[01:02] <viking667> correct.
[01:02] <Darkenvy> that makes my cron scrips easy to port over then
[01:02] <viking667> i.e. whatever user you create could probably be called "minecraft"
[01:02] <Darkenvy> how to update cron? Im new to it. just reload my script as the user? or....
[01:02] <Darkenvy> remove the script first then laod under user?
[01:02] <viking667> but then you'd need to be pointing at /home/minecraft/minecraft
[01:02] <krux> ruan what irc client you using to set join/leave to not show ?...
[01:03] <ac7ss> Darkenvy, crontab -e
[01:03] <viking667> krux: irssi
[01:03] <ruan> krux: im using irssi
[01:03] <krux> ahh  i see cool thanks :)
[01:03] <ruan>  /ignore #ubuntu +JOINS +PARTS +QUITS     right?
[01:03] <ruan> something like that
[01:03] <soreau> cipher_: How are you trying to access websites?
[01:03] <cipher_> wget / firefox
[01:03] <cipher_> My internal card will not work, which is odd did ubuntu drop support for some drivers?
[01:03] <soreau> cipher_: What is in /etc/resolv.conf for nameserver(s)?
[01:03] <cipher_> i am trying to use googles 8.8.8.8 and my router is also there
[01:03] <soreau> cipher_: What chip is your internal wifi?
[01:03] <cipher_> How can i check that
[01:03] <soreau> cipher_: First what is in /etc/resolv.conf
[01:03] <cipher_> soreau, apparently network manager modified it... (sorry) # Generated by NetworkManager
[01:03] <cipher_> domain domain.actdsltmp
[01:03] <cipher_> search domain.actdsltmp
[01:03] <cipher_> nameserver 192.168.0.1
[01:03] <cipher_> nameserver 205.171.3.65
[01:03] <soreau> cipher_: And you can ping 192.168.0.1 ok?
[01:03] <soreau> cipher_: (and this is your router)
[01:03] <cipher_> yes, yes
[01:04] <krux> awesome thank you
[01:04] <soreau> cipher_: Can you pastebin the output of 'sudo route' to paste.ubuntu.com ?
[01:04] <Darkenvy> I have to leave this channel
[01:04] <Darkenvy> so much spam form the splits
[01:04] <krux>   //ignore #ubuntu +JOINS +PARTS +QUITS
[01:04] <Darkenvy> thanks guys for your help
[01:04] <Darkenvy> /ignore #ubuntu +JOINS +PARTS +QUITS
[01:04] <Darkenvy> ><
[01:05] <ruan> lol
[01:05] <Darkenvy> better
[01:05] <krux> oh i was just pasting it but paste it in the wrong channel
[01:05] <ac7ss> /ignore #ubuntu +JOINS +parts +quits
[01:05] <krux> so i don't forget it for later :)
[01:05] <Darkenvy> I know I know
[01:05] <ruan> only works on irssi
[01:05] <cipher_> soreau: the tables are from my external wlan1 device; not my problem eth1 card.. http://paste.debian.net/112890/
[01:06] <Shawn727> Hey all i need help
[01:06] <soreau> cipher_: That's not paste.ubuntu.com..
[01:06] <cipher_> :(
[01:06] <soreau> cipher_: You'd better head over to ##networking
[01:06] <Kamakazi> ac7ss: Any suggestions for a mixer?
[01:07] <cipher_> :S
[01:07] <snake_> How can I set up a Reverse Proxy on ubuntu 10.10 64-bit With Apache2 as a part of the latest LAMP
[01:07] <aeon-ltd> Shawn727: don't ask to ask, just ask
[01:07] <ac7ss> Kamakazi, amixer is the program.
[01:07] <poolie> hi
[01:07] <Kamakazi> ac7ss: oh...lol
[01:07] <ac7ss> Kamakazi, it is shell.
[01:07] <poolie> i just upgraded my laptop to natty
[01:07] <poolie> when i run it connected to an external monitor, both the internal and external screens go black
[01:07] <ac7ss> Kamakazi, your player may have a mixer as well.
[01:07] <ruan> poolie: natty support only in #ubuntu+1
[01:07]  * adilbenseddik hey!! many thx!! it works!!
[01:07] <poolie> thanks
[01:07] <danileigh79> hiya ruan
[01:08] <ruan> hi
[01:08] <soreau> cipher_: Or just try sudo route del default && sudo route add default gw 192.168.0.1
[01:08] <danileigh79> wanna apologize to all from last night, i know i was being a pain
[01:08] <Kamakazi> ac7ss: just using the default Ubuntu movie player, so no mixer there
[01:08] <soreau> cipher_: Not sure if that syntax is exactly correct..
[01:09] <soreau> Shawn727: Why are you pmming me?
[01:09] <poolie> soreau, he's pinging me too
[01:10] <mrothh> `anyone gotten logmein client, to work in any broswser in linux buntu 10.10
[01:10] <starZ> any new about gdm2 on 10.10 ??
[01:10] <soreau> ! pm | Shawn727
[01:14] <starZ> can I start gnome sessions without gdm2 on 10.10?
[01:15] <starZ> can I start gnome sessions without gdm2 on 10.10?
[01:15] <yuskhanzab> hv anyone try the 11.04 beta release?
[01:15] <ac7ss> Kamakazi, try qamix it may have a bass channel for your sound card.
[01:15] <aeon-ltd> starZ: yes, you should be able to start any x session with startx and a .xinitrc file
[01:15] <snake_> yuskhanzab, my friend did, it broke his package system.
[01:16] <danileigh79> running 10.04, do i wanna dl gnuboy-sdl or gnuboy-x for a game boy emulator?
[01:16] <yuskhanzab> ...
[01:16] <snake_> yuskhanzab, I would wait if you haven't updated yet. wait until it's a normal release.
[01:16] <starZ> aeon-ltd: cool!! but what about my session settings?
[01:16] <yuskhanzab> i see, then ill have to wait too
[01:16] <yuskhanzab> thx snake_
[01:17] <snake_> danileigh79, you can use a windows emulator, with WINE.
[01:17] <snake_> yuskhanzab, yourwelcome, Jesus loves you.
[01:17] <danileigh79> snake_: I haven't been successfull with Wine, maybe doing it wrong?
[01:17] <snake_> danileigh79, oh... nvm, I only tried it with NoCa$h
[01:17] <snake_> which is GBA
[01:18] <mrothh> oh
[01:18] <mrothh> `anyone gotten logmein client, to work in any broswser in linux buntu 10.10
[01:18] <danileigh79> snake_: I usually use smygby for windows for gameboy and visualboy advnce for gba, but visualboy advance on linux doesn't play reg gb games right
[01:18] <induz> why canot I see some pdf on Mozilla
[01:19] <induz>  all updates are uptodate
[01:19] <induz> i get a blank page
[01:19] <danileigh79> induz: I have that issue even with ff on windows
[01:19] <snake_> Ugh... I got kicked off of an Urban Terror server for friendly fire :P
[01:19] <induz> what does that mean
[01:19] <danileigh79> induz: try chrome?
[01:19] <odio_> danileigh79:  not sure exactly  but  try  the  sdl first and see if it is what you want
[01:20] <snake_> danileigh79, it's probly a bios problem.
[01:20] <induz> I have  midori
[01:20] <danileigh79> odio_: thx, just dl'd it through software center
[01:20] <ruan> is there an application like hamachi which works between a smartphone and ubuntu?
[01:21] <danileigh79> what is difference between sdl binaries and x binaries?
[01:21] <snake_> HAMACHI!!!!
[01:21] <viking667> sdl can be run on a framebuffer.
[01:21] <snake_> sorry.
[01:21] <danileigh79> viking667: thx
[01:21] <ruan> lol
[01:21] <bob__> I don't have any problem with pdfs with firefox - but I have 4G memory
[01:23] <snake_> Can someone point enlighten me on where to start with creating a Reverse Proxy server?
[01:24] <cipher_> soreau: the command did not work, #networking doesn't like me :-/. Thanks for your help anyway.
[01:24] <phoenixsampras> help!! what is the package name for the svn command ?
[01:24] <cipher_> one sec
[01:24] <genii-around> !info subversion
[01:25] <ruan> yep
[01:25] <daniel_> hey anyone one want to help me conect my conect to the inertnet via eithernet its not detecting the cord and i know the cord works cause i use it for my 360
[01:25] <induz> daniel3, thanks i got it working..but why this happen??
[01:25] <soreau> cipher_: What makes you think ##networking doesn't like you?
[01:25] <induz> i opened it on midori
[01:25] <cipher_> soreau; I personify everything.
[01:25] <snake_> is there an auto tune app for ubuntu linux?
[01:25] <cipher_> And they have not responded
[01:26] <soreau> cipher_: Some channels are not as busy as this one and you have to wait patiently after explaining your issue thoroughly
[01:26] <soreau> cipher_: Don't take it personal, just give them as much information as you can and explain what the problem is
[01:26] <aeon-ltd> starZ: sorry for the late reply, but settings as in...?
[01:27] <daniel_> hello would anyone be bale to help me make my eathernet card work on my dell inspiron 1300 it wont detect the cord and i know the cord works because i use it for my 360
[01:28] <soreau> Shawn727: This is your last warning. Quit pmming me.
[01:29] <ruan> is there an application like hamachi which works between a smartphone and ubuntu?
[01:29] <mrothh> snake_ I knwo I can get hamachi, but logmein client (I need to get in to some systems)
[01:29] <soreau> daniel_: What do you mean 'detect the cord'? You mean you can't ping whatever it's plugged into on the other side?
[01:29] <tiox> People just hurt for attention.
[01:30] <bazhang> tiox, pardon?
[01:30] <tiox> Flooding.
[01:30] <mrothh> ruan hamachi runs on linux
[01:30] <ruan> mrothh: yes but not on my phone
[01:30] <mrothh> so if you have a droid, it linux based so I guess youc an por tit
[01:30] <daniel_> soreau, not sure what ping means but like when i conect the cord the networking tool doesnt change like when i conect to wifi on my other ubuntu computer
[01:30] <mrothh> ruan open vpn will work on android
[01:30] <ruan> im not on an android, im on a nokia 5230
[01:31] <ruan> which is on symbian s60v5
[01:31] <ac7ss> ruan, hamachi has a linux beta.
[01:31] <tiox> ANyway, package "libreoffice-evolution" 1:3.3.1 wants to remove libreoffice 3.3.2; Requesting somebody capable to make a new release of libreoffice-evolution compatible with the most recent libreoffice update.
[01:31] <soreau> daniel_: Did you set it to auto eth0?
[01:31] <mrothh> try the hamachi for linux, and compile it on your phone
[01:31] <ruan> mrothh: impossible
[01:31] <ruan> mrothh: executables wont work
[01:31] <daniel_> soreau, how would i go about doing that ?
[01:31] <soreau> daniel_: What is the cord plugged into at the other end? Your router?
[01:32] <mrothh> ac7ss how do I get the logmein client, to work on some broswer in linux, right  only works in chrome, using flash (yuck)
[01:32] <ruan> my phone will only execute packages installed by .sis or .jar or .sisx
[01:32] <snake_> shawn 727 is trying to get free xbox live from us for some reason, I told him to pray... but I'm not sure if he agreed to that.
[01:32] <mrothh> oh I see sorry ruan
[01:32] <daniel_> soreau, yes to my router
[01:32] <soreau> daniel_: Do you know the IP of the router?
[01:32] <mrothh> ruan try the open vpn app for yoru phone
[01:32] <mrothh> and open vpn on the ubunt ubox
[01:32] <snake_> I say kick him.
[01:32] <ruan> mrothh: where is that?
[01:32] <tiox> Kick his @$$ into the next week.
[01:32] <mrothh> google ruan
[01:33] <daniel_> soreau, no but isnt it easy to find idk how but i herd thats an easy thing to find
[01:33] <soreau> daniel_: Does ifconfig show an eth0 interface?
[01:33] <daniel_> soreau, should i run that in the terminal?
[01:34] <soreau> daniel_: ifconfig is a command you run in your terminal, yes
[01:34] <daniel_> hmm ill connect the computer using my phone and pastebin it give me one sec caus ei have no clue what showed up
[01:35] <soreau> daniel_: I have to run
[01:35] <daniel_> soreau, darn is there a  quick hting i can tell u off this ?
[01:40] <snake_> netsplit?
[01:42] <bullgard4> Synaptic: "SQLite is a C library that implements an SQL database engine." What package contains this C library?
[01:43] <EmuAlert> I'm trying to input a directory with a space and a single apostrophe in it (like ~/joe's files). How do I properly escape it?
[01:43] <DrGrov> How can I check in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS if I have the SSH server turned on?
[01:43] <DrGrov> I would need to get my SSH set up at home so I can easily access it from on trips
[01:44] <Flannel> EmuAlert: the easiest way to do it is to tabcomplete and let bash escape it for you.  If you want to do it manually, slashes.
[01:44] <folorn> whats the full address to this server ?
[01:45] <folorn> is it irc.freenode.net?
[01:45] <Flannel> bullgard4: libsqlite0 is the library itself, the package 'sqlite' also contains the command line interface.
[01:45] <Flannel> folorn: chat.freenode.net
[01:45] <sacker> DrGrov: /etc/init.d/ssh status
[01:45] <Logan_> folorn: yes
[01:46] <folorn> so irc or chat works?
[01:46] <russjr08> folorn, yes
[01:46] <rww> folorn: correct, as does irc.ubuntu.com and various other aliases. The official one is chat.freenode.net, though.
[01:46] <Lewoco> I'm using as xfwm4 as the wm instead of metacity but none of the xfce keyboard shortcuts work. Any suggestions?
[01:47] <DrGrov> sacker: How do I know there is no attempted hacking brute force attacks going on?
[01:48] <DrGrov> sacker: I wrote "ssh status" and it says it does not recognize host
[01:48] <starZ> any topic about gdm2 ??
[01:48] <Somelauw> Does anyone know how to scroll in urxvt without mouse?
[01:48] <c001> is the intel i7 640M quad core or dual core?
[01:48] <DrGrov> sacker: ssh status
[01:48] <DrGrov> ssh: Could not resolve hostname status: Name or service not known
[01:48] <Somelauw> I already tried pageUp/Down.
[01:48] <arand> Somelauw: Maybe shift+pgup/dn
[01:49] <arand> Somelauw: Otherwise, using a pager, or screen, is convenient
[01:49] <starZ> try fn page up and down
[01:49] <Somelauw> arand, thanks shift pageUP/Down works
[01:50] <starZ> any topic about gdm2 ??
[01:50] <sacker> DrGrov: Then you more then likely dont have openSSH installed
[01:50] <Somelauw> Do you also know how to fix that I can type accents when my mouse isn't inside the console window.
[01:50] <Flannel> sacker, DrGrov: just "ssh status" is calling the ssh client, trying to connect to "status", not checking the status of the server.
[01:52] <sacker> Flannel: Well I told him to type /etc/init.d/ssh status not just ssh status
[01:53] <EmuAlert> Could someone point me to a good bash guide?
[01:53] <Polah> EmuAlert: You're in one. We can help you with any bash questions you may have
[01:54] <danielcg25> EmuAlert, Get a sledge hammer
[01:54] <[V13]Axel>  I installed FGLRX on Ubuntu 10.04.2 with an ATI Radeon 4200HD Mobility, and performance became degraded, so I decided to revert to the bundled open source ATI drivers. I removed FGLRX, and now Ubuntu is trying to load the FGLRX module open boot. I installed the Radeon packages, but no avail. Anyone able to help?
[01:54] <th0r> EmuAlert: tldp.org
[01:55] <EmuAlert> Well, I mean one that explains all of the syntax and stuff. th0r: thanks
[01:56] <[V13]Axel> RebeccaBlack: Lawl at your nick.
[01:56] <danielcg25> hahaha
[01:56] <bullgard4> Flannel: '~$ find / -name 'libsqlite0' 2>/dev/null; /usr/share/doc/libsqlite0.' This is obviously no library file. Did you make a mistake?
[01:57] <jtannenbaum> is there a music manager for ubuntu that allows for multiple music libraries
[01:57] <jtannenbaum> rhythmbox only lets you have one
[01:57] <Flannel> bullgard4: libsqlite0 is the package file.  The actual library file is /usr/lib/libsqlite.so.0 and .so.0.8.6 (in maverick)
[01:57] <Core> hello! can anyone help me with a networking problem?
[01:58] <deathcat> ok first time chatting in this app
[02:00] <Core> hello! can anyone help me with a networking problem?
[02:00] <folorn> well dont ever go to ##blackhats all they do is destroy your computer... :(
[02:01] <mickster04> !details | Core
[02:01] <arupabhava> core:  what's your problem?
[02:02] <induz> what should be the standard font size for the mozilla browser
[02:02] <induz> It used to be 18 now i its 10
[02:02] <induz> any one
[02:03] <arupabhava> can't that just be changed in the preferences?
[02:03] <induz> yes but what should be the standard size for visibility
[02:03] <Core> ok.. sorry .. so.. my problem is the following: I had xubuntu 8.04 and upgraded it to 10.4. My problem is that I connect to my linux computer via tightvnc (video chip burned) and I need to have 2 network connection: wired and wifi. The problem is that when I try to connect to a wireless network it disconnects from the wired network. I used network-manager and wicd
[02:04] <induz> is it trial an error way to set standard font?/
[02:04] <arupabhava> induz:  my standard is serif size 16.
[02:05] <arupabhava> just depends on what you want, i suppose.
[02:05] <induz> LET ME TRY 16??
[02:05] <mrbraindead> who has aops?
[02:06] <induz> SHOULD IT BE SAN SERIF OR JUST SERIF??
[02:06] <induz>  sorry for tha cps
[02:06] <induz> caps
[02:06] <arupabhava> mine is just serif
[02:06] <Flannel> mrbraindead: If you need to speak to an operator, you can always find them in #ubuntu-ops
[02:07] <induz> arupabhava, 16 makes sense I mean its clear now
[02:07] <induz> but i kept it to sans serif
[02:07] <bullgard4> Flannel: Thank you very much for your help.
[02:07] <arupabhava> really, should just be what you like reading at.
[02:08] <jiyon> hello... need assistance with an new ubuntu 10.10 install
[02:08] <Core> can anyone tell me please how can I have 2 network connections simultaneously (wired and wireless)
[02:08] <mickster04> induz: comic sans clearly :p
[02:08] <bullgard4> jiyon: This is given in help.ubuntu.com
[02:09] <mickster04> core how did you achieve that previously>
[02:09] <mickster04> ?
[02:09] <ssquirrel> hai
[02:09] <induz> i am using segoe fonts mickster04
[02:09] <Flannel> jiyon: Your best bet is to just ask the question you have, and someone will answer if they can help.
[02:09] <jiyon> bullgard4... i've looked there and elsewhere on my issue and found nothing to help me out
[02:10] <Core> no
[02:10] <bullgard4> jiyon: If so you better describre more precisely where exactly you got stuck.
[02:10] <bullgard4> -r
[02:10] <Core> I have xubuntu 10.4 and using tightvnc to connect. If I connect to wireless wired gets dissconnected.
[02:11] <ubudork> join /#ubuntu+1
[02:11] <mickster04> Core: are you sure it gets diconnectde?
[02:11] <mickster04> Core: did you do ifconfig in terminal to check?
[02:11] <ubudork> what is the join cannel command?
[02:11] <Polah> ubudork: /j or /join
[02:11] <ubudork> tnx
[02:12] <jiyon> ok... the install went fine... was using the install for a while... then i remember poking around and slecting an option that said "don't prompt me for password on login"  ... now after rebooting... i cannot login.
[02:12] <Core> well I can no longer connect to my machine.. and i have to reset it manually. I can't   look exactly what's going on there because my video chip is fried
[02:12] <Koritsa> hello, there's someone here?
[02:13] <cool> ?
[02:13] <induz> I think 12 is better
[02:13] <cool> first time here
[02:13] <Koritsa> hey, someone can tell me if ubuntu come's with c++ and java dev tools?
[02:13] <cool> just need some help to install the sound card
[02:13] <cool> driver
[02:13] <mickster04> Core: so you have a pc with no graphical device connected to a wired connection? you are ssh ing in or how are you using it?
[02:13] <Koritsa> or i need to download it after i download ubunto?
[02:13] <Koritsa> ubuntu*
[02:13] <mickster04> Core: it should auto install? are you not getting any sound?
[02:14] <cool> yep. not sound
[02:14] <mickster04> !java | Koritsa
[02:14] <jiyon> when i choose my username on the GUI... after a while it says: Could not update ICEauthority file /home/jhsoper/.ICEauthority
[02:14] <hachre> I have just installed 11.04 and my USB Audio Headset has got a very low volume, is this a well known problem? Anything I can do? All the sliders are on max already...
[02:14] <cool> I just install the amarok
[02:14] <cool> to try a mp3
[02:14] <Core> sound and everything is ok when I log with vnc
[02:14] <cool> not hear anything.
[02:14] <mickster04> Core: are you sure your sound isn't muted?
[02:14] <Core> the only problem is that I can't have both wired and wireless connection at the same time
[02:14] <mickster04> Coo: are you sure your sound isn't muted?
[02:14] <cool> I check the mixer
[02:14] <mickster04> cool: are you sure your sound isn't muted?
[02:14] <cool> no muted
[02:14] <Koritsa> :\
[02:15] <mickster04> sory Core wrong nick :/
[02:15] <izinucs> cool: install ubuntu-restricted-extras ... vlc had the codecs built in.. amorak doesn't..
[02:15] <Core> np
[02:15] <invisiblek> Koritsa, youll need to install them afterwards
[02:15] <cool> oh
[02:15] <Koritsa> should i download the new ubuntu (10.10 i think or something) or the 04?
[02:15] <DarkStar1> anyone virtualise ubuntu and know how I can retrieve files from the host OS?
[02:15] <cool> ok
[02:15] <cool> I go and try it
[02:15] <mickster04> Core: ok so how sure are you that it won't connect to both?
[02:15] <invisiblek> Koritsa, probably 10.10
[02:15] <russjr08> Koritsa, It's recommended to do 10.04 or 10.10
[02:16] <invisiblek> 11.04 will be out next month
[02:16] <Koritsa> :}
[02:16] <cool> thanks for help
[02:16] <Koritsa> so 10.10 or 10.04?
[02:16] <invisiblek> err, this month already
[02:16] <invisiblek> hmm
[02:16] <ssquirrel> it is ? can you upgrade?
[02:16] <russjr08> Koritsa, yes, 11.04 comes out on the 28th
[02:17] <izinucs> cool: did it work?
[02:17] <Koritsa> lisn, i want a linux dis' that is user friendly and also comes with c++ and java dev tools (editor and compiler, also php, mysql and an http server) is ubuntu is up to it
[02:17] <Koritsa> or i'll need to download and install everything from scraps
[02:17] <Koritsa> cuz' i remember slack and redhat used to come with everything when i used linux
[02:18] <invisiblek> Koritsa, ubuntu is perfect, you just need to install the packages for what you want to do
[02:18] <cool> still downloaing
[02:18] <Koritsa> but that was years ago
[02:18] <izinucs> Koritsa: of course.. sudo tasksel then in the menu choose LAMP for php, mysql and apache .. sudo install build-essential for c++ stuff and other
[02:18] <Polah> Ubuntu is up to it
[02:18] <invisiblek> ubuntu runs mostly on binaries, so they dont include development stuff by default
[02:18] <izinucs> Koritsa: look in synaptic package manager for all the Java stuff
[02:18] <hackblood> ^_^
[02:18] <Polah> You might want to grab Sun Java instead of OpenJDK and you'll have to install Apache/MySQL/PHP yourself after installing the system
[02:19] <mickster04> Koritsa: ubuntu is a user system mainly, not a dev suystem, but it is more than capable.
[02:19] <Koritsa> damn, so that will take hours or it will be easy? is there a pckg system or something like that which make everything shitly easy?
[02:19] <izinucs> Koritsa: easy.. how fast is your internet connection?
[02:20] <Koritsa> 5mb
[02:20] <Somelauw> gcc is default in every distro as a C++ compiler
[02:20] <izinucs> Koritsa: you could download and install everyting through synaptic in less than 15 minutes probably
[02:20] <Somelauw> For java, you want ubuntu-restricted extras
[02:20] <Koritsa> yeah i know. is ubuntu comes with gcc/
[02:20] <Koritsa> ?
[02:20] <Koritsa> *
[02:21] <RedBallz> Hello!
[02:21] <Danielcg25_iPod> •
[02:21] <izinucs> Koritsa: build-essential is a meta package containing compilers etc..
[02:21] <RedBallz> Can someone help me please ?
[02:21] <izinucs> RedBallz: just ask your question
[02:21] <Core> @mickster04 I know because when I connect to a wifi network it says dissconnecting active connections
[02:21] <mickster04> Koritsa: then it'll take you like 15 mins or so, you just have to work out what you need, that can be slightly ctime consuming, but just use synaptics package manager or apt-get interminal
[02:21] <Koritsa> i should explain that i dont own an ubuntu right now, and i didnt touch linux for serveral years now
[02:21] <linux_is_my_hero> how do i convert pdf to doc?
[02:21] <cool> well. I try vlc
[02:21] <linux_is_my_hero> *.pdf to *.doc?
[02:22] <cool> still no sound
[02:22] <Somelauw> Koritsa: Editors and ides depend a lot on personal preference, but there is a lot to choose from.
[02:22] <RedBallz> I just installed BlackUbuntu. And my graphics card is not working well, so I downloaded the driver from the webpage. How do i run the extension .run ?
[02:22] <Koritsa> i guess theres a app-manager like the android app or something in ubuntu now... yes?
[02:22] <linux_is_my_hero> koritsu: ubuntu software center
[02:22] <russjr08> RedBallz, you need to use the Terminal
[02:22] <Somelauw> Copy-paste everything from the pdf and put it into a doc.
[02:22] <russjr08> sudo ./filename.run
[02:22] <linux_is_my_hero> koritsu: and u can add ppa's and repositories to expand the list of software in the ubuntu software center
[02:23] <RedBallz> How can I work with it ?
[02:23] <viking667> Gah. Disconnected, and I wasn't even aware of it.
[02:23] <russjr08> but first you probably need to chmod +x filename.run
[02:23] <hachre> I have just installed 11.04 and my USB Audio Headset has got a very low volume, is this a well known problem? Anything I can do? All the sliders are on max already... <- solved by upping the volume via alsamixer.... this bug also existed in 10.10 and 10.04 im gonna report this now
[02:23] <Polah> hachre: 11.04 is in Beta. We will/cannot help you. Ask in #ubuntu+1
[02:24] <mickster04> linux_is_my_hero: uhm no, use open office or some other office program that can read and write to each
[02:24] <Koritsa> ok. so what you guys says like thing - i should install ubuntu (i guess the 04 is better... right?) and then run the software center, install all the things i want (php, apache, java, cpp, mysql and my fav prog' editor that can handle all those prog' lang')
[02:24] <Koritsa> right/
[02:24] <Koritsa> ?
[02:24] <Somelauw> Or ask the creator of the pdf for the source (although there are a lot of tools to create pdf's)
[02:24] <hachre> Polah: Yeah, but it also affects 10.10 and 10.04
[02:24] <Polah> hachre: Hardware issue then?
[02:25] <hachre> Polah: thanks for the advice though
[02:25] <ssquirrel> depends ... I have ubuntu server 10.10 and I installed everything from sources
[02:25] <ssquirrel> hehe
[02:25] <Koritsa> ...
[02:25] <hachre> Polah: its a standard usb audio device
[02:25] <ssquirrel> http://shellbox.nvita.org
[02:25] <ssquirrel> :)
[02:25] <mickster04> linux_is_my_hero: i would try using open office, then file>save as
[02:25] <hachre> Polah: but no worries ill report this as a bug on launchpad in a sec
[02:25] <Polah> koritsa: If you're running a webserver you won't (shouldn't) have the GUI and thus no software centre
[02:25] <Koritsa> damn lags
[02:26] <cool> got to go.
[02:26] <Polah> hachre: Doesn't mean it isn't broken. Or your audio hardware for your PC
[02:26] <cool> find out later
[02:26] <linux_is_my_hero> mickster04: what character set? and what paragraph break?
[02:26] <ezy> hello folks, is there a command that gives the model of my graphics card ?
[02:26] <bullgard4> Why does Maverick need a »SQLite shared library« (package libsqlite0) and at the same time a »SQLite 3 shared library« (package libsqlite 3-0)?
[02:26] <RedBallz>  I just installed BlackUbuntu. And my graphics card is not working well, so I downloaded the driver from the webpage. How do i run the extension .run ?
[02:27] <hachre> Polah: it isn't broken.
[02:27] <bullgard4> ezy: lspci
[02:27] <Polah> hachre: Does it work on anything before 10.04 or another operating system?
[02:27] <hachre> Polah: there are people on ubuntuforums.org with this same issue and posts from early 2010
[02:27] <mickster04> linux_is_my_hero: uhm what? open office should just be able to open the pdf?
[02:27] <viking667> RedBallz: check it out with a text editor first.
[02:27] <hachre> Polah: it works on mac os and windows of course
[02:28] <linux_is_my_hero> mickster04: it came out with jibberish.
[02:28] <RedBallz> viking667: Already done, and it's a lot of codes
[02:28] <Polah> hachre: driver issue with Linux/Ubuntu then most likely
[02:28] <hachre> Polah: the only problem is that the alsa volume is set to 1%
[02:28] <ezy> thanks bullgard4
[02:28] <hachre> Polah: and all the ui sliders in ubuntu dont handle the alsa volume
[02:28] <mickster04> linux_is_my_hero: have you googled pdf converter? and does it open the file ok? finally, why do you need to ocnvert it? can't you get a copy of the original?
[02:28] <viking667> what does the top part of it say? Is it like a shell script?
[02:28] <Koritsa> what's the different betwn ubuntu 10.10 and 10.04?
[02:29] <hachre> polah: since many others have usb audio issus with different headsets I would guess it is like that for all usb audio devices
[02:29] <mickster04> Koritsa: one is LTS
[02:29] <Polah> hachre: Look for a command to increase volume?
[02:29] <hachre> Polah: my original post stated that i have solved this
[02:29] <viking667> 10.04 has support for ... five years?
[02:29] <viking667> (or is it two?)
[02:29] <hachre> Polah: I just posted it here because I asked it myself
[02:30] <hachre> Polah: and I included the question with the answer, thats all
[02:30] <Koritsa> ok, and will 04 will upgrade auto when 11.o4 will comeout next month?
[02:30] <sillav> I think I have removed a package that was used by network-manager to show the current connection status. Currently, the icon showed in the notification area is a static icon of a missing icon, regardless of connection status. It still works fine, just looks ugly and isn't as useful. Here is what it looks like: http://tinypic.com/r/2s8ss61/7
[02:30] <trism> bullgard4: sqlite3 introduced a new database format that isn't compatible with the new version, and some apps haven't upgraded
[02:30] <sillav> need help figuring out what's broken
[02:30] <russjr08> Koritsa, Update Manager will ask you if you want to update
[02:30] <Koritsa> but it will right?
[02:31] <russjr08> If you click Upgrade, yes
[02:31] <bullgard4> trism: Ah! Thank you very much for explaining.
[02:31] <Koritsa> and 10.10 wont do it?
[02:31] <atari2600a> hey, I need t oknow how to force the recovery console on bootup
[02:31] <Polah> Koritsa: Both of them will
[02:31] <russjr08> I think in 10.10 it will to
[02:31] <Koritsa> allright
[02:31] <Polah> atari2600a, hold shift in boot, then select recovery mode on the GRUB menu
[02:31] <atari2600a> I noticed you can do it via gdm now yay
[02:31] <Koritsa> sorry for the dumb ques':}
[02:31] <RedBallz> viking667: Please help D:
[02:31] <atari2600a> Polah: tried that, never seems to work
[02:31] <russjr08> Koritsa, there is no such thing as a dumb question
[02:32] <alishah> hi, where can i download COLOR SCHEMES for gedit. I want IDLE's color scheme for gedit.
[02:32] <Koritsa> russjr08 :D
[02:32] <izinucs> Koritsa: you can't update from 10.04 to 11.04 but you can update from 10.04 the next LTS release
[02:32] <atari2600a> awakening: google
[02:32] <bullgard4> atari2600a: I presume you are using Grub. Grub offers "recovery mode". You may need to press the Shift key when booting up in order to see the "recovery mode" entry.
[02:32] <Polah> Koritsa, russjr08, Ubuntu will try to update to the latest version unless you set "Show New Distribution Releases" to Never or "Long term support releases only". LTS releases are set to LTS only by default and you'll need to change it to Normal releases to upgrade to non-LTS
[02:33] <russjr08> izinucs, if you run update-manager -d it will
[02:33] <RedBallz>  I just installed BlackUbuntu. And my graphics card is not working well, so I downloaded the driver from the webpage. How do i run the extension .run ?
[02:33] <atari2600a> bullgard4: again, I am, but shift never seems to pull up the menu
[02:33] <atari2600a> meh
[02:33] <Koritsa> wow, linux today is much more friendly than it was when i used to touch it
[02:33] <atari2600a> thanks
[02:33] <bullgard4> atari2600a: What do you mean by "again"?
[02:33] <Polah> RedBallz, look at the contents with gedit or similar to determine what kind of file it actually is
[02:34] <RedBallz> .run file
[02:34] <RedBallz> Polah: where I have to look at.
[02:34] <Koritsa> is there a way i will reach my ubuntu throught windows so i wont need to restart everytime?
[02:34] <DARKGuy> Hey, could anybody help me in setting up a PAN (Personal Area Network) using Bluetooth ("Bluetooth PAN daemon version 4.91") with two computers running 10.10 ? I'm getting Connection Refused (111) and using blueman-applet doesn't work because it says that Network Manager couldn't set up the connection :(
[02:34] <Polah> RedBallz: Just open it in gedit, perhaps pastebin part of the contents (unless it's all garble and makes no sense)
[02:35] <Polah> koritsa: You could install using WUBI
[02:35] <union131> hello
[02:35] <excelsior> hey hey hey
[02:35] <union131> i need some help
[02:35] <Polah> !ask | union131
[02:35] <bullgard4> Koritsa: There is. But not to be recommended.
[02:35] <union131> ok sorry, I am experiencing some problems with my network connection
[02:36] <excelsior> I thought wubi wasn't recommended
[02:36] <union131> It wont stay connected
[02:36] <bullgard4> ! details | union131
[02:36] <excelsior> Besides, doesn't it just run Ubuntu in a virtual machine in Windows?
[02:36] <russjr08> for long term use I don't think it is recommended
[02:36] <Polah> excelsior, I wouldn't recommend it, a separate partition is better.
[02:36] <RedBallz> Polah: http://pastebin.com/hEaKtkeY
[02:36] <russjr08> I agree with Polah
[02:37] <excelsior> Thought so
[02:37] <Polah> RedBallz: Yes it's a .sh. change the extension to .sh, mark it as executable and run it
[02:37] <adilbenseddik> hi, how can I set automatic login with gdm2 on ubuntu 10.10?
[02:37] <WXZ> I deleted a folder on an NTFS drive in lucid, what utility could I use to get it back?
[02:37] <excelsior> good night everybody!!!
[02:37] <RedBallz> Polah: Mark as exectutable? I am kinda new on this.
[02:37] <bullgard4> adilbenseddik: Not to be recommended for security reasons.
[02:38] <Koritsa> is theres a way to reach ubuntu, after installed, from my windows, so i wont need to restart all the time?
[02:38] <Polah> WXZ: file recovery for NTFS in Linux isn't well supported. You'd be better using a Windows program for that
[02:38]  * adilbenseddik hi, how can I set automatic login with gdm2 on ubuntu 10.10?
[02:38] <WXZ> Polah: but I deleted the file through ubuntu
[02:38] <Polah> RedBallz: open up a terminal, navigate to the directory it is in, do "chmod +x <file>.sh", then do "sh <file>.sh"
[02:38] <Polah> WXZ: Look in your rubbish bin then?
[02:39] <WXZ> Polah: no, it's not there. also, I didn't really delete it, I saved a file over the same location
[02:39] <induz> what is a good downloader like Delugde??
[02:39] <induz> Deluge
[02:39] <alexUnder> has anyone tried global menu in ubuntu? =/
[02:39] <Polah> WXZ: I don't know about recovering files that way
[02:39] <union131> I am running on ubuntu 10.10, my laptop keeps disconnecting, it's kinda old(toshiba tecra 8000, 1990) i  bought a linksys wireless adapter, i have to keep unpluging the adapter then put it back in, it only stays connected for half an hour usually
[02:39] <ruan> how do i pause i download in wget?
[02:39] <ruan> a
[02:40] <RedBallz> Ubuntu is so hard...
[02:40] <RedBallz> damn
[02:40] <Polah> RedBallz, you'll get the hang of it
[02:40] <WXZ> ok, so does anyone know how to undelete that file?
[02:40] <DARKGuy> Hey, could anybody help me in setting up a PAN (Personal Area Network) using Bluetooth ("Bluetooth PAN daemon version 4.91") with two computers running 10.10 ? I'm getting Connection Refused (111) and using blueman-applet doesn't work because it says that Network Manager couldn't set up the connection :(
[02:40] <WXZ> I mean folder
[02:40]  * adilbenseddik automatic login with gdm2 on ubuntu 10.10? control panel not working..
[02:41] <union131> got all that ubottu?
[02:41] <adilbenseddik> me :(
[02:41]  * adilbenseddik :(
[02:41] <WXZ> I saved a file in the same location as a folder, how do I get that folder back?
[02:42] <Polah> ruan: I know you can use the -c switch to continue a stopped download. Perhaps just stopping it would work and then you can just continue it later. I don't really know though
[02:42] <viking667> sorry, got seriously distracted
[02:42] <Diamondcite> WXZ: It should be the difference between filename VS filename\
[02:42] <Polah> !ubottu | union131
[02:42] <WXZ> Diamondcite: I don't understand you
[02:42] <Polah> union131, he's just a robot (:
[02:43] <induz> something similar to Deluge
[02:43] <Diamondcite> WXZ: Unless it says something is over written it shoud be there.. how are you accessing it? Filemanager or console?
[02:43] <WXZ> Diamondcite: I saved the file as /path/to/folder, and then the folder at /path/to/folder was no longer there
[02:43] <union131> oh
[02:43] <union131> crap
[02:43] <union131> he sounded like a jackass
[02:43] <WXZ> Diamondcite: it wasn't there
[02:44] <Diamondcite> DARKGuy: Blueman-applet should share directly ignoreing network manager should it not?
[02:44] <Polah> union131, the "don't ask to ask" question? I tripped that for you (:
[02:44] <WXZ> Diamondcite: instead, there was a file called "folder" at the location /path/to/
[02:44] <Diamondcite> WXZ: Hold on.. let me experiment
[02:44] <Diamondcite> Err WHICH app/
[02:44] <WXZ> Diamondcite: specifically I was downloading a torrent with opera
[02:45] <Diamondcite> WXZ: And how are you trying to get to it/
[02:45] <cipher_> Hey when ubuntu starts i have to edit the /etc/resolve.conf to get ride of my router and 2 other host names before it will work. I am curious to know if there is anything i can do to fix this
[02:45] <cipher_> before internet will work*
[02:45] <WXZ> Diamondcite: get to what?
[02:45] <Diamondcite> WXZ: The said "folder"
[02:45] <WXZ> Diamondcite: if you mean my folder, I'm trying to get to it through nautilus
[02:46] <Diamondcite> Err.. hrm.. it got over written x.x
[02:46] <Diamondcite> The contents did not merge?
[02:47] <union131> Someone help me. Heres the question: I am running on ubuntu 10.10 on my toshiba tecra 8000 1990, i bought a wireless adapter for it and it only connects to wifi for about 30 minutes, can anyone explain why and help me fix this problem?
[02:47] <Diamondcite> WXZ:  And didn't opera claim it was over writting?
[02:47] <WXZ> Diamondcite: no, they didn't merge. and no
[02:47] <DARKGuy> Diamondcite, I have no idea, it should, but it doesn't detect the NAP service unless I start PAND on one of the PCs, and when I do, blueman-applet detects the NAP service, but it doesn't connect because it says connection refused
[02:47] <WXZ> Diamondcite: folder named "something", save in the same location as the "something" folder, now file in the same location called "something", folder gone
[02:48] <DARKGuy> Diamondcite, I've also tried using the NM plugins and the non-NM plugins on blueman-applet, and it's the same result
[02:48] <LarsN> does anyone have a link handy for how to install Ubuntu along side Windows 7 on an Intel Matrix Raid (aka FakeRaid) controller?
[02:48] <LarsN> I can see the 1.5tb array, but it doesn't detect any existing partitions on the array.
[02:49] <Diamondcite> DARKGuy: How odd.. I've managed to share a ubuntu netbook's network with something running arch just fine without network manager..
[02:49] <union131> Polah could you help me with that question?
[02:49] <DARKGuy> Diamondcite, I personally hate NM :P do you know how to do it without it?
[02:49] <Diamondcite> DARKGuy: I'm trying to say Blueman-applet it supposed to just work!
[02:49] <Diamondcite> DARKGuy: Assuming it's a paired device and is active
[02:50] <DARKGuy> Diamondcite, oh, yeah, it should, but I don't know why I get the connection refused error :/
[02:50] <DARKGuy> Diamondcite, they are :S
[02:50] <DARKGuy> Diamondcite, I even try to remove them, start up pand on both comps and they ask to pair up before making the connection
[02:50] <io_error> I have some really stupid noob questions I can't find the answers to because a large number of links on the ubuntu website are giving 404 errors. First is, if I have a "10.04.1" server CD can I install this and just apt-get update; apt-get upgrade?
[02:51] <Diamondcite> DARKGuy: I have never heard of pand personally.. it just kinda worked... *researches*
[02:51] <van7hu> holla,I'll be an ubuntu developer :)
[02:51] <van7hu> but it's hard
[02:51] <WXZ> Diamondcite: any ideas?
[02:52] <Diamondcite> WXZ: I'm stumped.. NON of my apps (firefox/vuze) ever pulled a stunt like that.
[02:52] <LarsN> io_error: without making changes to apt.  it'll upgrade you to the latest 10.04.x
[02:52] <WXZ> Diamondcite: try opera
[02:52] <io_error> LarsN: Thanks. I was wondering why I didn't see a '10.04.2' server CD download.
[02:52] <DARKGuy> Diamondcite, lucky you :P
[02:52] <van7hu> anyone know a specification for ubuntu like LSB,POSIX or single Unix specification?
[02:52] <io_error> ...and the download links are 404!
[02:53] <LarsN> io_error: you may need to do:  dist-upgrade rather than just upgrade however.
[02:53] <io_error> LarsN: Wouldn't that put me on 10.10?
[02:53] <LarsN> io_error: only if you change apt to point at the 10.10 sources
[02:54] <io_error> Thanks... I have been using centos/RHEL for years now and much of this is new. but with centos near collapse I'm pretty sure I'm going to be winding up switching a lot of servers to ubuntu over the next year or so.
[02:55] <LarsN> io_error: I work in a primarily FreeBSD shop.  Our "handfull" read 5 or so...  CentOS installs are likely to become NetBSD
[02:55] <induz> is chrom and mozilla almost the same??
[02:55] <van7hu> induz: no!
[02:55] <union131> YO I HAVE ASKED A QUESTION 3 TIMES! AND HERES ANOTHER ONE, HOW CAN I MAKE A CHANNEL WHERE PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY HELP ME?
[02:55] <union131> FUCK THIS
[02:55] <FloodBot3> union131: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:55] <LarsN> induz: in that they both allow you to browse the web, have tabs, and are extendable via plugins...  yes.
[02:55] <induz> after downloading, lots of addson and others plugs ins I have to select/install chrom
[02:56] <io_error> LarsN: haha, I've been using RH since right after they moved out of their garage.
[02:56] <LarsN> induz: from a code level, unlikely.
[02:56] <DARKGuy> Diamondcite, brb!
[02:56] <mickster04> induz: fundamentally no
[02:56] <van7hu> induz: mozilla was belong to google also
[02:56] <van7hu> induz: but now,it's not
[02:56] <induz> not for coding POV, but as an end user
[02:56] <LarsN> van7hu: no,  Google used to donate funds to Mozilla.
[02:56] <nickor> so i ran that terminal command to look for drive errors
[02:56] <nickor> not sure what happened
[02:56] <LarsN> van7hu: not the same as being owned by. :)
[02:57] <Diamondcite> WXZ: After your experience maybe not =P
[02:57] <nickor> but looks like my computer is trying to count to a billion in terminal
[02:57] <induz> some searches i get better result on chrom then on mozilla
[02:57] <LarsN> <--- donates funds to FreeBSD.  BUt I don't own it. :)
[02:57] <van7hu> induz: why don't wiki?
[02:57] <milamber> io_error: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromLinux/RedHatEnterpriseLinuxAndFedora   this may be of interest to you
[02:58] <io_error> milamber: Ah yes, that would be helpful.
[02:58] <io_error> Come to think of it, a working download link would be even more helpful :P
[02:59] <LarsN> io_error: http://ubuntu.osuosl.org
[02:59] <LarsN> io_error: is always a favorite of mine.
[02:59] <milamber> io_error: to be honest, bit torrents are available
[02:59] <io_error> Thanks. Any ideas when the links on the ubuntu.com website will be fixed?
[03:00] <Lewoco> How exactly do I enable winbind4? I installed it but I still can't do netbios lookups...
[03:00] <induz> has anyone used FReeFileSynch??
[03:00] <milamber> io_error: http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/  this is working for me
[03:01] <nickor> does the drive err checker built into terminal usually try to count to a billion?
[03:01] <moondog> thinking of dumping my Apple TV and switching to DLNA... anybody doing DLNA have any tips?
[03:02] <bazhang> induz, that related to ubuntu?
[03:02] <__lucio__> anyone knows what happened to /dev/midi? how do i get that on maverick?
[03:02] <induz> I dont know but i want to synch files on ubunto to dualboot Xp
[03:02] <bazhang> moondog, whats dlna
[03:02] <moondog> bazhang: look it up
[03:03] <bazhang> moondog, how about telling us here, and how it relates to ubuntu
[03:03] <ubuntu> is the clam app i see in synaptic for  checking windows partitons under nix?
[03:04] <moondog> well, I'd say if you don't even know what DLNA is, then you probably can't help me
[03:04] <bazhang> ubuntu, not really, better to use windows stuff for that
[03:04] <mickster04> nickor: i assume if you have that many errors then yes.
[03:04] <bazhang> moondog, what does it have to ubuntu, kindly
[03:05] <egarff> moondog ps3 media player is DLNA
[03:05] <moondog> because DLNA requires a server.. that runs on a computer... which runs an operating system... possibly Ubuntu
[03:05] <nickor> ill let it run
[03:05] <miketomdool> Does anyone know when Netflix is going to be linux compatible?
[03:05] <tensorpudding> miketomdool: not likely ever
[03:05] <miketomdool> oh :(
[03:05] <egarff> moondog: http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/
[03:05] <nickor> you cant just run netflix from firefox or chrome in a browser?
[03:05] <nickor> what about linux would prevent that?
[03:05] <miketomdool> no nickor
[03:05] <moondog> I don't have a PS3
[03:06] <tensorpudding> i assumed you meant the silverlight streaming
[03:06] <io_error> milamber: The page http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/alternative-download has a dead link to a ubuntu-10.04.1-server-i386.iso.torrent (probably just a typo).
[03:06] <egarff> moondog: as I already said, it's dlna
[03:06] <miketomdool> we have to have "Microsoft Silverlight"
[03:06] <moondog> ok, thank you :)
[03:06] <egarff> moondog: it was created to work with ps3, but it's a dlna server
[03:06] <tensorpudding> it won't run on moonlight because moonlight won't/can't support the Microsoft DRM that netflix has to use
[03:06] <mickster04> nickor: i think netflix uses silverlight
[03:06] <milamber> io_error: yeah - it's been like that for a while. did the link i sent work?
[03:06] <moondog> alright egarff: thanks for the link
[03:06] <io_error> milamber: and that page from switching from redhat is something i've been looking for for a long time+1000
[03:06] <egarff> moondog: good luck.
[03:06] <asdiyanto> hai
[03:06] <nickor> silverlight
[03:06] <io_error> milamber: Yeah, I foudn the torrent from the osuosl mirror
[03:07] <nickor> figures
[03:07] <huddy> hi. with regards to vlc how can ensure that a movie file that open vlc with is opened with the existing instance? rather than opening a new one each time which I find quite pointless.
[03:07] <milamber> io_error: excellent
[03:07] <dajhorn> nickor: Only a very few grandfathered accounts can get the non-Silverlight stream.
[03:07] <huddy> would it be possible?
[03:07] <egarff> moondog: btw, a little less attitude goes a long way... "look it up" is crap.
[03:07] <io_error> Now if only KTorrent would stop making my router have a fit...but that's not an ubuntu thing :)
[03:07] <milamber> !info ushare | moondog
[03:07] <egarff> ubottu: ushare is painful to configure.
[03:08] <egarff> ahh.. is a bot.
[03:08] <moondog> egarff: I agree... but I was asking for help with X... if a person pipes up and doesn't even know what X is, then why are they responding?
[03:08] <niles|iPod> Lol
[03:08] <egarff> moondog: but if you'd said "It's a media server protocol", who knows, they might have at least had some pointers.
[03:09] <moondog> but it was apparent that the responder was only intent on giving me crap thinking my question had nothing to do with Ubuntu
[03:09] <moondog> anyway
[03:09] <moondog> I appreciate the advice
[03:09] <bazhang> moondog, lose the attitude
[03:10] <nickor> cheese with whine?
[03:10] <moondog> heh
[03:10] <nickor> thanks for free help?
[03:10] <egarff> moondog: anyway, good luck.
[03:10] <DaGeek247> thanks for free os?
[03:10] <nickor> lol
[03:10] <nickor> yeah that too
[03:11] <moondog> actually... bazhang... if you really are interested... I wished to run Ubuntu on my desktop machine. After I had it all installed I realized... no iTunes means no streaming music to my Apple TV.
[03:11] <egarff> In the word of murphy from sealab 2021... AWAY!
[03:11] <moondog> so then I read a little about DLNA
[03:11] <nickor> heres a trick if you are impatient, open up 5 or 6 ubuntu chat rooms on multiple servers
[03:11] <nickor> i do
[03:11] <moondog> thinking perhaps it could take the place of my iTunes/Apple TV setup.
[03:11] <nickor> answers come faster that way if ppl are busy
[03:11] <LarsN> moondog: there's a server that'll stream ala-itunes.  I can't remember the name though
[03:11] <moondog> need something to run on Ubuntu
[03:11] <LarsN> moondog: one second and I'll look.
[03:12] <DaGeek247> moondog, itunes should work under !playonlinux as it officially supports it.
[03:12] <nickor> man i hate itunes
[03:12] <moondog> like wine?
[03:13] <moondog> yeah, I hate vendor lock-in... other than that I like iTunes ok
[03:13] <DaGeek247> ish. playonlinux uses wine but wine doesnnt officially support itunes.
[03:13] <nickor> i am used to using rockbox and drag and drop
[03:13] <moondog> I see, ok
[03:13] <nickor> so much easier
[03:13] <LarsN> moondog: the apple-tv functionality.  is it more like an airport express..  or more like an iTunes client (ala another laptop/desktop)
[03:14] <moondog> I believe the Apple TV uses what they now call AirPlay... for all practical purposes just like the airport express I think
[03:14] <LarsN> moondog: google:  raoplay +ubuntu
[03:14] <LarsN> moondog: iirc that's right.
[03:14] <moondog> awesome, thank you!
[03:14] <LarsN> raop play +ubuntu
[03:14] <LarsN> I was close
[03:14] <LarsN> :)
[03:15] <LarsN> <--- doesn't have any apple networking hardware.  or windows machines running iTunes.  But a bunch of folks at the office do :)
[03:15] <DARKGuy> Diamondcite, back! ^^
[03:15] <DaGeek247> LarsN '/me' works fine...
[03:16]  * DarkStar1 would like to Sell Apple to LarsN
[03:16] <Diamondcite> DARKGuy: Err it is broken foe me too
[03:16] <LarsN> DaGeek247: I like <--- though.  it's far more fun
[03:16] <Diamondcite> DARKGuy: Something changed, seeking
[03:16] <DARKGuy> Diamondcite, lol, that sucks big time
[03:16] <DaGeek247> meh
[03:16] <DARKGuy> Diamondcite, oki! =)
[03:17] <hachre> where can I change the sensitivity of the mouse scrollwheel?
[03:17] <LarsN> DARKGuy: I have a 13" MacBook Pro 5.5 that work gave me.  It currently runs Ubuntu 10.10 with DWM...  so... Dubuntu?  :)
[03:17] <LarsN> DarkStar1: ^^
[03:17] <LarsN> DARKGuy: sorry...
[03:18] <DaGeek247> !mouse
[03:18] <DaGeek247> awww
[03:18] <DARKGuy> LarsN, Lol, yay for your mac. No worries :P
[03:18] <DaGeek247> !mousespeed
[03:18] <LarsN> DARKGuy: when Kris Moore fixes PC-Sysinstall.  It'll likely run PC-BSD rather than Ubuntu.  (again with DWM)
[03:24] <beauty> ?????????????
[03:25] <ArchangelSe7en> beauty, Iknowright!
[03:25] <pr0xy> How can I make keyboard shortcuts to increase and decrease the backlight brightness on my laptop?
[03:27] <alairock> I have 10..10 netbook. Would I be okay to upgrade to 11.4 beta? Is the beta going to be more/less stable than 10.10?
[03:27] <viking667> wow.
[03:27] <SpitfireWP> Holy...
[03:27] <SpitfireWP> alairock, probably less stable. That's why it's beta.
[03:28] <FloodBot2> !netsplit
[03:28] <alairock> I understand beta being less stable than the RC's or finals, but it's newer than 10.10, so I might assume it's more stable than 10.10
[03:29] <SpitfireWP> Uh, that wasn't a netsplit
[03:29] <SpitfireWP> That was a server error :(
[03:29] <pr0xy> How can I make keyboard shortcuts to increase and decrease the backlight brightness on my laptop?
[03:30] <tensorpudding> alairock: this can be true, except in the case of brand-new software that isn't stable yet
[03:30] <tensorpudding> which natty has a good bit of
[03:31] <alairock> Anyway to hide join's/quit's in IRC?
[03:31] <LarsN> alairock: depends on your client.  in irssi: /help ignore
[03:31] <[thor]> alairock: what client?
[03:31] <alairock> webchat on freenode
[03:31] <connii> kem
[03:31] <[thor]> alairock: probably not.
[03:32] <io_error> alairock: Don't think so. I believe you'll have to run IRC on your computer to do that.
[03:32] <pr0xy> click the bubble that says IRC in the top left
[03:32] <pr0xy> and select 'Options'
[03:33] <van7hu> does ubuntu use glibc?
[03:33] <io_error> van7hu: yes
[03:33] <alairock> THANK YOU, no more annoying Join notifications
[03:34] <pr0xy> IKR?
[03:34] <pr0xy> How can I make keyboard shortcuts to increase and decrease the backlight brightness on my laptop?
[03:34] <ubudork> i am having trouble with NVIDIA driver in ubuntu  11.04. And there is not mutch
[03:34] <io_error> I like it when people join. More people who might see my unanswered questions :)
[03:34] <ubudork> respone in #ubuntu+1
[03:35] <mickster04> ubudork: yeah we can't help you for 11.04 though
[03:35] <connii> 11.04 is avalaible ??
[03:35] <pr0xy> Download drivers from the nVidia website, ubudork
[03:35] <pr0xy> beta, connii
[03:35] <rww> ubudork: don't do that, please.
[03:36] <rww> ubudork: #ubuntu is not for natty questions, regardless of where you ask for responses.
[03:36] <connii> sorry
[03:36] <connii> thx
[03:36] <connii> i'm waity for it
[03:36] <mariosilvabr> Hi!
[03:36] <io_error> pr0xy: Do you mean you want the brightness keys on your laptop to work, or you want to make new key combinations?
[03:36] <mariosilvabr> "Firefox had a problem and crashed. We'll try to restore your tabs and windows when it restarts"
[03:36] <alexUnder> 11.04 is still a beta,i dont think we should expect it to be 100% stable like an LTS or even a normal release :/
[03:36] <mickster04> mariosilvabr: yes?
[03:37] <ubudork> ok thanks
[03:37] <connii> ok
[03:37] <mariosilvabr> I'm with a problem in my Firefox
[03:37] <pr0xy> io_error: yes, I have a laptop with brightness down and up control keys printed on f6 and f7. How do I make them work?
[03:38] <mariosilvabr> "Firefox had a problem and crashed. We'll try to restore your tabs and windows when it restarts"
[03:38] <io_error> pr0xy: which model of laptop is it?
[03:38] <ubudork> pr0xy: I tried that earlier in 10.10 but there is always trouble after updates in ubuntu
[03:38] <pr0xy> io_error: it's a Google Cr-48
[03:39] <pr0xy> mariosilvabr: that's no problem. Just restart firefox.
[03:39] <io_error> pr0xy: YOu're probably out of luck, unless Google wants to make it work
[03:40] <alairock> HP mini 210-1190NR multitouch help. Tried everything, Googled my eyes out. Anyone?
[03:41] <pr0xy> io_error: it's just an f6 or f7 key, but it has an icon printed on it. kinda like the Mac aluminum keyboards.
[03:41] <mickster04> alairock: it doesn't work? or what is the problem?
[03:41] <io_error> pr0xy: so you hit Fn-F6 or Fn-F7 and nothing happens?
[03:42] <alairock> The touch pad works, and right/left click seems to work okay, but mutlitouch/vertical scrolling doesn't work.
[03:42] <mickster04> alairock: have you treied different programs? are the settings right?
[03:43] <pr0xy> io_error: There's no fn key. I need to map a keyboard shortcut for f6 to be brightness down and f7 to be brightness up.
[03:43] <alairock> Not sure, even more so, I don't see the supposed touchpad settings that are supposed to be in the preferences.
[03:44] <pr0xy> io_error: I guess I want to make new key combinations
[03:45] <io_error> pr0xy: haha, I had to go find pictures of the thing to see what you were talking about.
[03:45] <pr0xy> Yeah, and the capslock key would be nice to make it do something...
[03:45] <pr0xy> It does nothing at all.
[03:46] <io_error> pr0xy: But Google doesn't WANT there to be a caps lock key :)
[03:47] <pr0xy> So? They also don't want it to run straight-up ubuntu, and guess what i'm running! Maverick Meerkat.
[03:47] <moondog> LarsN: DWM looks like a pretty neat deal
[03:48] <io_error> pr0xy: Yeah I figured as much. Probably you'll have to dig into their ChromeOS stuff to see what they did. Something like those buttons I'd expect to be in hal/DeviceKit.
[03:49] <pr0xy> io_error: the brightness keys act as normal f1 thru f10 keys in ubuntu!!!
[03:49] <pr0xy> io_error: I want to map brightness up with a keyboard shortcut.
[03:49] <ceo> how to make my /var/www/ can used not need root acces
[03:50] <Bustardo> I'm an idiot. I did a manual parttion when I installed Ubuntu 10.10 and I somehow managed to mess up the win 7 boot. When I try to go there it says "Geom Error"
[03:50] <ceo> how to i can make my /var/www/ that no need root acccess
[03:51] <io_error> pr0xy: On a normal laptop those keypresses don't make it as far as GNOME, they get intercepted by hal and hal sends off the command to change the brightness. You're in for some work.
[03:51] <Bustardo> Since I'm a linux/ubuntu noob I'm pretty stumped any ideas out there?
[03:52] <Bustardo> I dont htink I messed up the partition just the bootloader or grub2 or whatever it is
[03:52] <yagoo> Bustardo, wubi installer is very safe to try out
[03:52] <pr0xy> io_error: I mapped sound keys and other stuff, already.
[03:52] <yagoo> Bustardo, you mean win7 doesn't boot?
[03:52] <Bustardo> yes
[03:52] <io_error> pr0xy: OK
[03:52] <Bustardo> Ubuntu 10.10 im in now
[03:52] <mickster04> ceo: what do you mean need root access? you should bve able to view the files ragardless? but to edit them you want the security
[03:52] <Bustardo> it works fine
[03:52] <yagoo> Bustardo, what boots and what doesnt?
[03:53] <Bustardo> t
[03:53] <pr0xy> io_error: can I map shortcuts for brightness at all, or not?
[03:54] <vhd> Bustardo, sounds like your mbr is damaged
[03:54] <ceo> mickster04, am can't install joomla or smthing cms, so many error, and if am need to edit file one /var/www am need be root first sudo gedit /var/www/index.php < that make me root>
[03:54] <yagoo> ok anyhoo
[03:54] <yagoo> vhd, not it isnt.. he said he can boot ubuntu
[03:55] <RussellAlan> need help with Start-Up Manager
[03:55] <RussellAlan> anyone have experience?
[03:55] <ceo> mickster04, am need do only $ gedit /var/www/index.php onlye not need :"sudo"
[03:55] <FloodBot3> !netsplit
[03:55] <ceo> !netsplit
[03:56] <vhd> yagoo, isnt the mbr seperated from grub though?
[03:56] <fennucci> anyone know a good book/guide to begin learning linux?
[03:56] <fennucci> command line
[03:56] <fennucci> etc..
[03:56] <demonspork> I am trying to enable dolby and DTS passthrough on a c-media CMI8768 chipset and have had no luck. I can only get PCM 2.0 output and when I try to force xbmc to use a digital passthrough it fails to open the sound device. I also can't use VLC to do it either.  Any suggestions?
[03:56] <mickster04> ceo: well unpack them to your local folder the sudo nautilus to copy them across if thats easier?
[03:56] <io_error> pr0xy: Of course you can. They did it in ChromeOS right?
[03:56] <sangeeth> Got a great doubt... If I upgrade from my 10.10 to 11 for beta testing, would my 10.10 still remain or will it be removed?..
[03:57] <mickster04> sangeeth: if you upgrade it replaces it all
[04:04] <DrakasX> sangeeth: it would be removed, i just did it earlier this week
[04:04] <io_error> pr0xy: The point is, none of us can help you since we don't have that laptop, and I don't have ChromeOS anyway. If you want this to work, it's going to be a solo project.
[04:04] <pr0xy> io_error: what do I do for the command?
[04:04] <DrakasX> If you switch the desktop to Ubuntu Classic instead of Unity it works quite well for a beta
[04:04] <sangeeth> mickster04: So, how do I try it, without getting my current version removed
[04:04] <pr0xy> Mapping a brightness shortcut is a project?
[04:04] <sangeeth> DrakasX: How is it?..
[04:04] <ceo> am have do that ide MichealH but still no good ide for used that
[04:04] <DrakasX> Well i haven't run across any hiccups
[04:04] <sangeeth> DrakasX: How is 11?..
[04:04] <DrakasX> except with the pae kernel, but once i removed that it was smooth sailin
[04:04] <DrakasX> sangeeth: it's very usuable
[04:04] <vhd> Bustardo, http://www.pcguide.com/vb/showthread.php?t=47267 have a look at this.
[04:04] <DrakasX> sangeeth: if you want to have booth, make a seperate partition for the 11.04 install
[04:04] <sysop3> hey I have one big issue left with ubuntu as a desktop os. why doesnt the auto nvidia kernel driver updater work? it worked once, I saw it download the newer kernel driver. but it has not worked once since. is this just me or does everone have this issue?
[04:04] <sangeeth> DrakasX: Completely forgot about that...:-D
[04:04] <DrakasX> sangeeth: 11.04 is very usuable though, I've been using it along side Mac OS X for about a week, pretty nice, the unity interface just needs speed improvements.
[04:04] <tucemiux> 11.04 came out????
[04:04] <sangeeth> DrakasX: Oh...
[04:04] <sangeeth> tucemiux: Na... The beta is out...
[04:04] <DrakasX> tucemiux: it's still in beta, I'm testing
[04:05] <tucemiux> ahhh ok, i thought it was out already, when is it scheduled to be released?
[04:05] <DrakasX> tucemiux: Not sure.
[04:05] <pr0xy> io_error: the applet works fine, but the brightness keys bother me because I can't think of a logical use based on the graphic.
[04:05] <pr0xy> whatever... bye.
[04:09] <Koritsa> hello, i installed ubuntu :D
[04:09] <dfgas> is there an archive manage that is like winzip where i can add and delete files easy from with in the archive like winzip or 7zip?
[04:09] <Danielcg25_iPod> Koritsa: Congrats, you are no longer stupid =P
[04:09] <ArchangelSe7en> Koritsa, cool , welcome in
[04:10] <Koritsa> yeah. well, now, should i install java from the sn website or there's a faster way?
[04:10] <PeterFA> How do I clean up all these extra kernels?
[04:10] <Nicolas_Leonidas> how do you remove a folder and all its contents with one damn command?
[04:10] <Danielcg25_iPod> Koritsa: Ubuntu Software Center
[04:10] <Koritsa> :\
[04:10] <PeterFA> nick_h, rm -fr
[04:10] <Koritsa> ok
[04:11] <mickster04> PeterFA: you can remove them in the synaptics package manager, just make sure you leave one behind :p
[04:11] <PeterFA> Nicolas_Leonidas, rm -fr
[04:11] <Danielcg25_iPod> Applications > Ubuntu Software Center
[04:11] <RussellAlan> i'm having trouble running startupmanager ----- ImportError: libart_lgpl_2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:11] <Nicolas_Leonidas> PeterFA:
[04:11] <RussellAlan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589123/
[04:11] <Nicolas_Leonidas> tnx
[04:11] <tucemiux> dfgas, yes there is
[04:11] <Nicolas_Leonidas> merci
[04:11] <Koritsa> well, i'm lookin for apache, but i dont find
[04:11] <Koritsa> (in the soft center).... why is that?
[04:11] <RussellAlan> I installed ubuntu 10.10 from pendrive, and when i try to do update it asks for cd/ how can i change that?
[04:11] <mickster04> Koritsa: look for lamp?
[04:11] <dfgas> tucemiux, what is it?
[04:12] <sianetradio> hello
[04:12] <Koritsa> mickster04, what do you mean? if i look for lamp it find me only "evolvotron"
[04:12] <tucemiux> dfgas, it depends on how you want to compress files, there's tons of options
[04:13] <dfgas> i work with zip files for my roms on android
[04:13] <sianetradio> I'm trying to make a bootable ubuntu for a netbook using a mac
[04:13] <ArchangelSe7en> sianetradio, unetbootin
[04:13] <mickster04> Koritsa: ok so search for apache, what does it find?
[04:13] <sianetradio> bootable USB drive I should day
[04:13] <sianetradio> say*
[04:14] <tucemiux> dfgas, i suggest you use the forums then, you can do it two ways, using the command line or using a GUI, here's a thread that can get you started: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-577149.html
[04:14] <root_> hey everyone
[04:14] <root_> whoops
[04:14] <dfgas> yah i am looking at gui
[04:15] <Grey_King> can anyone in here help me with the "screen" program?
[04:15] <mickster04> Grey_King: the screen problem?
[04:15] <Grey_King> mickster04: glad to see you still here :)
[04:15] <mickster04> lol still here? i idle all the time
[04:15] <mickster04> :p
[04:16] <Grey_King> mickster04: All I need to know is how to switch out of one screen session and into another, then resume the first session
[04:16] <Koritsa> how do i install apache? or any other good workin http demon that can come with php?
[04:16] <mickster04> Koritsa: in terminal type in sudo apt-get install apache2
[04:16] <rww> !lamp | Koritsa
[04:16] <FoolsRun> Hi, do you need an actual sound card in order to do HDMI audio?
[04:16] <wapko> ctrl+a then 'd' to detach your current session
[04:16] <mickster04> rww: oh i can't believe i forgot about that:(
[04:16] <Jobes> random question: can anyone here explain why I might use lightspeed over apache?
[04:17] <ArchangelSe7en> sianetradio, http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook
[04:17] <tucemiux> Jobes, maybe someone in #ubuntu-offtopic can be of more help
[04:17] <mickster04> Jobes: yeah, for opinions try there
[04:17] <Koritsa> thank you :}
[04:17] <sianetradio> thanks archangel
[04:18] <sianetradio> I have the .iso on the usb drive
[04:18] <sianetradio> but the netbook isn't recognizing it
[04:18] <Jobes> tucemiux/ mickster04, thanks guys will do
[04:18] <sianetradio> I dont' know how to make it "bootable"
[04:18] <Grey_King> ahh mission success
[04:18] <PeterFA> Did anyone see my addition of w?
[04:18] <Grey_King> I got it
[04:18] <Grey_King> thanks everyone!
[04:19] <sianetradio> it's a brand new HDD I put in
[04:19] <mickster04> Grey_King: well if you create a screen by going screen -S screen1 <do stuff here> then ctrl a and then ctrl d (without letting go of ctrl) then you log out or detach from that screen, then you can type in screen -r screen1 to get back to that specific one (if you have multiple open)
[04:19] <ArchangelSe7en> sianetradio, do you have another computer that you can use
[04:19] <ArchangelSe7en> other that the netbook I mean
[04:19] <sianetradio> unfortunately....and please dont' laugh.......I'm using a mac right now :P
[04:20] <nickor> man there is something so satisfying about cleaning up your technology
[04:20] <nickor> and putting it to good use
[04:20] <Grey_King> mickster04 ten four!
[04:21] <sacarlson> sianetradio: you might look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[04:21] <sianetradio> so, my problem comes to this: using a mac, I'm trying to make a bootable .iso ubuntu so that I can put it on the netbook pc
[04:21] <sianetradio> ooh....let me read that
[04:21] <nickor> i did that with my netbook siantrado
[04:21] <ArchangelSe7en> sianetradio, fallow sacarlson 's link
[04:21] <ArchangelSe7en> was looking of that
[04:22] <FoolsRun> I'm having a hell of a time with HDMI audio in Ubuntu. Do you need an actual sound card in addition to an HDMI audio capable video card in order to do HDMI audio?
[04:22] <sianetradio> yes, thank you.....I'm reading it now
[04:22] <ArchangelSe7en> okay
[04:22] <ArchangelSe7en> have fun
[04:22] <ArianHT> I'm using ubuntu 10.10 on lenovo s10-3t, and the right click button on my touchpad isn't working, any ideas?
[04:22] <sianetradio> yes....do u have any tips nickor?
[04:22] <io_error> It says "Not currently possible" to make a USB stick installation media from a Mac OS X box.
[04:22] <newnick> Hello guys, I think my previous nickname was banished.. how do I check it? Everytime I try to login using 'rodhash' in IRC I can't.. :/
[04:22] <sianetradio> I just read that :(
[04:22] <alairock> ArianHT: I had that problem TOO! I fixed it, but it's been a while
[04:23] <nickor> siantradio just download the iso
[04:23] <sianetradio> I got that
[04:23] <nickor> and make a bootable usb for mac
[04:23] <nickor> like i did
[04:23] <sianetradio> it's on the USB drive now
[04:23] <nickor> did you try that yet?
[04:23] <ArchangelSe7en> newnick, this not the right place to ask that
[04:23] <sianetradio> yes
[04:23] <nickor> i have ubuntu on like 5 machines
[04:23] <nickor> what errs did you get?
[04:23] <newnick> ArchangelSe7en: Ok, which channel should I join?
[04:23] <sianetradio> Let me restart and I can tell u
[04:23] <nickor> ok
[04:24] <sianetradio> I was jus tlooking at the bios
[04:24] <ArchangelSe7en> donnow which channel is dedicated for freenode help on this server
[04:24] <sianetradio> PXE-E61: Media test failur, check cable
[04:24] <ArchangelSe7en> but I'd guess #freenode :P
[04:24] <io_error> FoolsRun: Go to System > Preferences > Sound, click the Hardware tab, select your HDMI device, and then look at the Profile displayed at the bottom.
[04:24] <nickor> hmmmm
[04:24] <sianetradio> PXE-M0F: Exiting PXE ROM.
[04:25] <sianetradio> No bootable device -- insert bood tisk and press any key
[04:25] <ArchangelSe7en> yup thats the place to ask that newnick
[04:25] <sianetradio> boot*
[04:25] <nickor> its like the mbr is missing
[04:25] <nickor> or not being seen
[04:25] <sianetradio> weird huh?
[04:25] <io_error> FoolsRun: after that, go to the Output tab and make sure your HDMI device is actually selected there.
[04:25] <nickor> i think one of these advanced ubuntu gurus should be able to help you
[04:25] <nickor> yeah it is
[04:26] <sianetradio> the old drive gave me a Disk Read Error bla bla restart
[04:26] <sianetradio> this is a clean drive....brand new
[04:26] <sianetradio> it doesn't seem to matter if the usb is in or not
[04:27] <sianetradio> I get the same error...I made the USB the first boot as well
[04:27] <nickor> did you check all your physical connections?
[04:27] <sacarlson> sianetradio: you can't just copy the iso file onto the usb disk you need to use the installer application that puts the iso on the flash drive to make it bootable
[04:27] <sianetradio> yes
[04:28] <nickor> is that drive healthy to your knowledge?
[04:28] <sianetradio> as far as I know
[04:28] <nickor> yes you have to use the installer to create a proper bootable usb
[04:28] <nickor> did you do that?
[04:28] <sianetradio> sacarlson where do I get an installer aplication?
[04:28] <nickor> on the ubuntu site
[04:28] <sianetradio> OH....yes, that's what I need
[04:29] <sianetradio> looking for that now
[04:29] <nickor> :)
[04:29] <sacarlson> sianetradio:  the link I gave you points to applications that can be ran from whatever platform you have avalable https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[04:30] <io_error> sacarlson: Except for OS X
[04:30] <sianetradio> cool
[04:30] <sianetradio> haha
[04:30] <sianetradio> ouch
[04:30] <nickor> i think illsetup my logitech remote to work with my laptop thats doing hdmi to my flatscreen now too
[04:30] <nickor> this will be interesting
[04:30] <nickor> best of luck siane
[04:31] <sianetradio> gracias
[04:31] <nickor> de nada
[04:31] <Koritsa> ok something is not makin sence
[04:32] <sianetradio> Koritsa what isn't?
[04:32] <bc81> hi. i have the power manager set to 'put display to sleep after 1 minute'.  when watching youtube video is there some way to autmatically disable this, because it's annoying to have to keep moving the mouse around
[04:32] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[04:32] <nickor> bc81 change that setting?
[04:33] <Koritsa> ok. something not makin sense
[04:33] <Koritsa> i'm tryin to do su root
[04:33] <bc81> nickor: i need that setting, changing it every time i watch a flash video is not user friendly option
[04:34] <Koritsa> wait - is the user i entered at installation is the root?
[04:34] <mickster04> Koritsa: sudo su to become root user, but why not just do sudo <<command>>
[04:34] <io_error> Koritsa: root is disabled by default, so if you haven't set a root password then 'su' won't work. Use 'sudo passwd' to set a root password and enable the root account.
[04:34] <mltdwn> @bc81 Search google for a package called caffeine, it disables the screensaver when watching flash videos
[04:34] <Danielcg25_iPod> Koritsa: Don't su root, its impossible
[04:34] <mickster04> !sudo
[04:34] <bc81> mltdwn: thanks, i will look for this
[04:34] <Danielcg25_iPod> Koritsa: Instead, put "sudo" before a command
[04:34] <Danielcg25_iPod> !sudo | Koritsa
[04:34] <Koritsa> ok. that you
[04:34] <nickor> man this room is awesome
[04:34] <nickor> learning a bunch
[04:34] <Koritsa> thank*
[04:35] <Koritsa> can someone tell me where i can see a list of app that i can download from apt-get?
[04:35] <edbian> Koritsa: open synaptic in System -> admin
[04:36] <edbian> Koritsa: It lists them ALL
[04:36] <Koritsa> thank you
[04:36] <Dammien> you can use the apt-cache search command as well
[04:36] <mltdwn> Korista: You can install any package in the repos from apt-get
[04:37] <mickster04> mltdwn: well read -_-
[04:37] <io_error> Sure, but if I already have synaptic open then I'll probably just use that :)
[04:37] <Dammien> yep... it's a little more graphic though....
[04:38] <brady> What is the recommended way to install OOoLaTeX on ubuntu? I saw a post from 2007, but that is some time ago. It seems strange to me that ubuntu doesn't have it already since it has so much else.
[04:38] <brady> The post I saw was http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=334218
[04:39] <io_error> Is Ubuntu not switching to LibreOffice?
[04:40] <mltdwn> Ubuntu 11.04 should be Libre Office
[04:40] <Danielcg25_iPod> io_error: Are you ioerror on twitter?
[04:40] <mltdwn> I'm pretty sure it'll be the default
[04:40] <io_error> Danielcg25_iPod: No, that's the other guy
[04:41] <Dammien> latex is in the repos.... i use kile on ubuntu to wirte the documents....
[04:41] <Dammien> write**
[04:55] <dsnyders> Hi all!  Is there a good channel to chat about writing scripts?
[04:55] <dsnyders> I want to write a script that, when called, plays the next mp3 file in sequence.
[04:55] <edbian> dsnyders: So you call it and it plays the first song.  Then when that song ends it stops?
[04:55] <dsnyders> edbian, Yes, Then when I call it again it plays the next file.
[04:55] <edbian> dsnyders: What if you call it before the first song has finished playing?
[04:55] <edbian> dsnyders: You want it to play both of them at once or... ?
[04:55] <dsnyders> edbian, I wouldn't do that.  These are radio dramas.
[04:55] <edbian> dsnyders: ok.  I have no idea what a radio drama is.  Seems to me that it would be easiest to just load all the files into brasero or totem.  Is that not an option?
[04:55] <bc81> mltdwn, nickor:  thanks, caffeine works perfectly.
[04:55] <dsnyders> edbian, A radio drama is exactly what you think it is... a story played on the radio; like the Lone Ranger, or Buck Rogers.  In this case, it is the CBS Radio mystery theatre.
[04:55] <edbian> dsnyders: sure.  Why don't you load them up in totem?
[04:55] <dsnyders> edbian, totem would play them one after the other without stopping, no?
[04:55] <edbian> dsnyders: You want it to stop each time until you do something?
[04:56] <canthus13> I've got two different usb bluetooth adapters and neither will work suddenly.  one for sure worked yesterday.  Both adapters work fine on my wife's laptop.  I'm getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/589127/ in syslog
[04:56] <canthus13> wow. I've *NEVER* seen it silent in here before.
[04:56] <mickster04> oo that was odd
[04:56] <canthus13> no kidding.
[04:57] <dsnyders> edbian, These are 45 minute to hour long audio clips.  (Also, I have some TV shows that I'd like to use this on.)
[04:57] <canthus13> I've got two different usb bluetooth adapters and neither will work suddenly.  one for sure worked yesterday.  Both adapters work fine on my wife's laptop.  I'm getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/589127/ in syslog
[04:58] <edbian> dsnyders: I think I can whip something up real quick.
[04:58] <dsnyders> edbian, thanks.  That would be most helpful.
[04:58] <fennucci> how come when I log out of root and log into my normal accnt it prompts me Run as root?
[04:58] <fennucci> heh
[04:59] <fennucci> am I to always run as root?
[04:59] <linuxuz3r> hekki
[04:59] <linuxuz3r> hello
[04:59] <fennucci> hi
[04:59] <canthus13> hekki.
[04:59] <dsnyders> edbian, btw, I use mplayer from the command line.  For some reason totem rubs me the wrong way.
[05:00] <edbian> dsnyders: no worries
[05:00] <linuxuz3r> how do i backup so that i preserve ownership of my home folder and files?
[05:00] <dsnyders> edbian, The files are named sequentially, if that helps.
[05:01] <edbian> dsnyders: It does.  Example file name?
[05:01] <Nicolas_Leonidas> hey I can ping google.com and other sites but firefox does not show anything, nor can I use the software center and stuff, I'm running ubuntu 10.10 in virtualbox
[05:02] <danileigh79> Nicolas_Leonidas: running vbox in windows?
[05:02] <mickster04> Nicolas_Leonidas: you can't go to google.com?
[05:02] <linuxuz3r> guys
[05:02] <linuxuz3r> anyone
[05:02] <astropirate> Has ubuntu modified the behaviour of ptrace system call? everytime i make it i get an "Operation not permitted"
[05:02] <administrator> 你好阿
[05:02] <Nicolas_Leonidas> danileigh79: yes
[05:02] <Nicolas_Leonidas> mickster04: no
[05:02] <danileigh79> astropirate: tried sudo?
[05:02] <dsnyders> edbian, "csbsrmt_0823_queen_of_palmyra.mp3".  The numbers are sequential, and the part after the number changes.
[05:03] <astropirate> danileigh79, i did
[05:03] <danileigh79> Nicolas_Leonidas: Make sure the vbox can recognizee networking
[05:03] <danileigh79> astropirate: nah, haven't tried it myself...
[05:03] <edbian> dsnyders: Are they all in the same folder?
[05:03] <mickster04> linuxuz3r: i don't understand, just zip up the folders? = backup :p and your folders record who the owners are as part of their properties?
[05:03] <danileigh79> astropirate: sorry try someone else
[05:03] <dsnyders> edbian, Yes.
[05:04] <fennucci> hey
[05:04] <fennucci> can someone point me to an online location to learn linux basics?
[05:04] <fennucci> command line especially
[05:04] <fennucci> ive been running threw pdfs and stuff
[05:04] <mickster04> !cli
[05:04] <fennucci> but all of it seems to assume I have some knowledge of linux already
[05:04] <mickster04> fennucci: see that last link
[05:04] <danileigh79> fennucci: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php
[05:05] <fennucci> thanks
[05:05] <edbian> dsnyders: working...
[05:05] <fennucci> how much difference is there between the distros?
[05:05] <fennucci> is ubuntu debian based?
[05:05] <dsnyders> edbian, gratefully waiting...
[05:05] <galamar> how do i register my nick? i forgot...
[05:05] <danileigh79> fennucci: yes
[05:05] <linuxuz3r> how do i backup so that i preserve ownership of my home folder and files?
[05:05] <edwinkcw> if there any method to build my own drop-box like server?
[05:05] <fennucci> so if I learn debian I should know ubuntu?
[05:05] <danileigh79> fennucci: this is what I first used to look for ubuntu help http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-801404.html
[05:06] <fennucci> ok
[05:06] <edwinkcw> s/if/is
[05:07] <mickster04> edwinkcw: well the hard part would be to work out how to get the syncing to work
[05:07] <danileigh79> afk, smoke break
[05:07] <edbian> dsnyders: private message!! :)
[05:08] <edwinkcw> mickster04: yes, but I think there are some existing packages to make it easy to achieve
[05:08] <danileigh79> ! | pm
[05:09] <edwinkcw> mickster04: I realize that there is a software call sparklesharebut it is still in development
[05:10] <fennucci> has anyone dual booted with windows?
[05:10] <success> yea
[05:10] <mickster04> edwinkcw: yeah, why not just use ropp box?
[05:10] <mickster04> fennucci: i have?
[05:10] <success> my laptop is xp i install 10.10 on it with wubi
[05:11] <edwinkcw> mickster04: do you mean drop box?
[05:11] <mickster04> edwinkcw: yeah
[05:11] <edwinkcw> mickster04: it has limited space
[05:12] <edwinkcw> mickster04: for free account, it only has 2GB
[05:12] <fennucci> do I have to do a clean instal of windows?
[05:12] <fennucci> I've backed everything up naturally, but Im wondering if I really have to put a clean instal, or can I just go from here? with enough room obviously.
[05:12] <sysop3> you see drop box's office? its sweet
[05:12] <success> you don't have to clean anything
[05:12] <ohelig> Hello.
[05:12] <success> fennuci:what are you trying to do?
[05:13] <success> ohelig:hello
[05:13] <fennucci> dual boot windows and ubuntu
[05:13] <fennucci> :)
[05:13] <success> what do you mean dual boot
[05:13] <fennucci> have the ability to boot either of them
[05:13] <success> like have the option between os's on startup?
[05:13] <fennucci> on the same computer
[05:13] <fennucci> yeah
[05:13] <success> yea
[05:13] <success> thats what i did
[05:13] <success> except i never use windows...
[05:13] <mickster04> edwinkcw: how many pc's do you sync ocross?
[05:13] <fennucci> well I was reading one guide and it said to put a clean instal
[05:13] <fennucci> well I use windows primairly now
[05:14] <fennucci> but I'm hoping to change that, slowly migrating to linux
[05:14] <ohelig> I find myself unable to enter my password when installing anything. I click "Authenticate", and nothing happens.
[05:14] <fennucci> I need to learn linux first
[05:14] <mickster04> fennucci: well dual boot is great, i use windows for games
[05:14] <fennucci> yeah i need photoshop to work
[05:14] <arand> fennucci: You don't need a clean install of windows no.
[05:14] <mickster04> fennucci: and with ubuntu, you don't really :p
[05:14] <fennucci> and illustrator
[05:14] <edwinkcw> mickster04: about 3-4
[05:14] <fennucci> how much do I need to have for a partion?
[05:14] <mickster04> fennucci: check out gimp, it has similar abilities,
[05:14] <fennucci> I have like 130gb free
[05:14] <fennucci> yeah i've seen gimp
[05:15] <fennucci> I do web design/dev
[05:15] <mickster04> fennucci: depends how much stuff you wanna install, i fyou wanna save your music etc into ubuintu as well (not neccesary, ubuntu can read windows partitions)
[05:15] <arand> fennucci: Rule of thumb 20G for the operating system and all applications
[05:15] <fennucci> and I'm really familiar with adobes suite
[05:15] <ohelig> I personally find gimp to be very hard to use
[05:15] <ohelig> after using adobe for so long
[05:15] <fennucci> it can mickster04 ?
[05:15] <mickster04> fennucci: yeah, so maybe 20-40 Gb for ubuntu
[05:15] <htat> gimp is pretty much a photoshop clone >_>
[05:15] <fennucci> ok
[05:15] <arand> fennucci: More if you plan on storing films/music etc. on there
[05:15] <fennucci> can I add more space later?
[05:15] <mickster04> fennucci: and yes it can
[05:15] <mickster04> fennucci: yes you may
[05:15] <fennucci> mst my movies and music is on windows already, and backed up
[05:15] <fennucci> ok
[05:15] <linuxuz3r> how do i backup so that i preserve ownership of my home folder and files?
[05:15] <mickster04> fennucci: assuming that the windows partition is ntfs?
[05:16] <fennucci> maybe I'll try installing tonight then
[05:16] <mickster04> fennucci: actually if it's a wubi install that shouldn't matter
[05:16] <fennucci> why wouldnt it be ntfs?
[05:16] <mickster04> linuxuz3r: just copy the folders somewhere else?
[05:16] <mickster04> fennucci: iunno
[05:16] <fennucci> heh Ive never formated it or anything
[05:16] <fennucci> this laptop is still fairly new
[05:16] <fennucci> relatively*
[05:17] <mickster04> fennucci: you should be good then
[05:17] <fennucci> actually I just cleaned house, so now I have 249gb left
[05:17] <fennucci> ok
[05:17] <mickster04> :)
[05:17] <fennucci> I'll give it a shot right meow
[05:17] <fennucci> i was just setting up bt4 on my other laptop
[05:17] <fennucci> but I don't know much about linux at all, I was all excited that I logged in
[05:17] <mickster04> fennucci: yeah ubunbtu is easy, don't worry about learning 'linux'
[05:17] <fennucci> why does it ask me to run as root immediatly after loggin in?
[05:17] <arand> fennucci: I would recommend doing a normal dual-boot and not use wubi though, wubi can't be expanded once created, for one.
[05:18] <fennucci> no but I want to
[05:18] <mickster04> fennucci: describe the exact message?
[05:18] <fennucci> well, I created an account, logged out, logged in as my other accnt, and after 'startx' it prompts me with
[05:18] <fennucci> Run as root, KDE su
[05:18] <fennucci> should I just hit ignore?
[05:18] <fennucci> i that a standard message?
[05:18] <fennucci> is*
[05:18] <ohelig> I find myself unable to enter my password when installing anything. I click "Authenticate", and nothing happens. What do?
[05:19] <arand> fennucci: For backtrack support, #backtrack
[05:19] <danileigh79> ohelig: have you tried sudo in terminal?
[05:19] <ohelig> everything works in the terminal
[05:19] <fennucci> well I was just messing around in backtrack, I just figured that was a normal thing, was just wondering why it was asking me for that
[05:19] <ohelig> only using the gui is when i can't authenticate
[05:19] <fennucci> but
[05:20] <fennucci> I'll log out and get on windows so I can chat with ya'll as I attempt a dual boot install ssession
[05:20] <arand> fennucci: If you are doing the dual boot, you would boot off the CD no? (unless you are doing wubi of course)
[05:21] <ohelig> If I recall correctly, I wasn't having this issue before the most recent kernel update.
[05:21] <Maddogm> ohelig, I have that on one of my boxes, closing the auth window after nothing happens seems to work
[05:21] <fennucci> yeah arand
[05:21] <fennucci> I have a Ubuntu LTS 10.04 live cd
[05:21] <fennucci> how do I shut down linux
[05:21] <fennucci> lol
[05:21] <ohelig> sudo shutdown 0
[05:21] <fennucci> I cant find it anywhere in the bt4
[05:21] <fennucci> ok
[05:21] <ohelig> or hit the power button
[05:21] <mickster04> fennucci: click on the power button top right for ubuntu?
[05:22] <arand> fennucci: ctrl+alt+delete works oftentimes
[05:22] <fennucci> er my other laptop is in bt4
[05:22] <fennucci> was just messing around in it
[05:22] <yagoo> anyone knows grub2 ? (chainload another bootsector 0 from another drive)
[05:22] <syrinx_> !grub2 | yagoo
[05:23] <ohelig> well, I can only hope upgrading to Natty will fix the issue. I don't want to have to do a clean install D:
[05:23] <Seven_Six_Two> fennucci, sudo shutdown -h now
[05:23] <arand> yagoo: "set root=(hdX); chainloader +1; boot" ?
[05:23]  * ohelig waits patiently for April 28th
[05:23] <mimail> hi
[05:23] <Axlin> ohelig: somebody here the other day was having a similar issue. what's the output of: gconftool --get /apps/gksu/sudo-mode
[05:23] <danileigh79> fennucci: if sudo shutdown doesn't work try sudo reboot
[05:23] <fennucci> hrmm
[05:23] <fennucci> it says user is not in the sudoers file.
[05:23] <ohelig> true
[05:23] <Axlin> well that's a surprise. heh
[05:24] <mimail> anybody kown "failed load session"   for 11.04
[05:24] <danileigh79> fennucci: good grief
[05:24] <yagoo> arand, thanks..
[05:24] <fennucci> lol sry
[05:24] <Seven_Six_Two> fennucci, there's a suedit or sudoedit util that I think you need to use...
[05:24] <mickster04> fennucci: halt might work?
[05:24] <fennucci> just 'halt'?
[05:24] <arand> ohelig: You can try just booting the old kernel I guess, though I assume it isn't related to the kernel...
[05:24] <mimail> I just upgraded to the Natty beta and I'm getting this error message every time I try to log in.
[05:24] <mickster04> !natty | mimail
[05:25] <mimail> yes
[05:25] <mimail> Failed to load session "ubuntu"
[05:25] <danileigh79> mimail: join #ubuntu+1
[05:25] <ohelig> It was a pretty large update that day, so it could have been anything
[05:25] <Seven_Six_Two> fennucci, I was gone a while, so I might be unclear. are you just trying to shutdown?
[05:25] <mickster04> Seven_Six_Two: yes he is
[05:25] <ohelig> anyways, i'm off to bed
[05:25] <mickster04> fennucci: if you haven't installed it, just hard power down
[05:25] <Seven_Six_Two> mickster04, but he's not able to sudo?
[05:25] <danileigh79> ohelig: good night
[05:25] <mickster04> Seven_Six_Two: evidently
[05:25] <mickster04> ohelig: but it's only half 4 :p
[05:26] <danileigh79> Seven_Six_Two: says user not in sudoers file
[05:26] <fennucci> ok
[05:26] <ohelig> It's 11:30 pm
[05:26] <arand> Seven_Six_Two: It's backtrack, anyways.
[05:26] <ohelig> :|
[05:26] <mickster04> ohelig:  monday afternoon for me :p
[05:26] <ohelig> australia?
[05:26] <danileigh79> mickster04: hlf past midnight here, east coast us
[05:26] <Seven_Six_Two> BT4 doesn't use sudo. He's likely root already
[05:26] <tucemiux> its 12:26am o_O
[05:26] <mickster04> ohelig: NZ :D
[05:26] <arand> ...This is the reason you ask backtrack people about backtrack stuff
[05:26] <ohelig> close enough :S
[05:26] <mickster04> ohelig: oooh no you di'nt :p
[05:27] <danileigh79> fennucci: u using backtrack??
[05:27] <Seven_Six_Two> fennucci, do you have a  $  or a #  for your prompt?
[05:27] <mickster04> ohelig: well i'm actually a pom but most kiwis hate being compared to Aus :p
[05:27] <jason_562> something's wrong here
[05:27] <fennucci> i just hard powered down
[05:27] <fennucci> I hope I didnt break anything
[05:27] <danileigh79> ohelig: u asking for it, nzer's hate being associated with australia
[05:27] <fennucci> it wasnt installed
[05:27] <mickster04> fennucci: just hard shutdown if you haven't installed backrtack, it's not gonna have written anything to the HDd anyway
[05:27] <ohelig> lol, sorry
[05:27] <Seven_Six_Two> fennucci, just live, or live with usb?
[05:28] <jason_562> if the sudo says that the user is not available then it's another big deal
[05:28] <fennucci> live usb?
[05:28] <mickster04> brb
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[05:28] <fennucci> ok tho, I'm going to try dual booting
[05:28] <Seven_Six_Two> mickster04, some of the options at boot allow for storage
[05:29] <dsnyders> fennucci, live usually means cd-rom.  This means you won't be able to save.  Most live-cd distros now allow you to save stuff on USB.
[05:29] <Seven_Six_Two> fennucci, it's the lower options when you boot BT4. the "persistent" live options do use storage. so whether something went wrong depends on whether you used those and were in the middle of doing something when you powered off.
[05:29] <fennucci> oo ok
[05:30] <jan247> hi guys, how do i find out my ram speed and type (ddr2/3) from the command line? lshw and dmidecode both report it as unknown..
[05:30] <fennucci> so yeah was just booting from USB, no cd involved, it allowed me to create an accnt tho, does tha tmean its writing to my hd?
[05:30] <Seven_Six_Two> fennucci, no, it would write to usb.
[05:30] <Diamondcite> jan247: If you have an OEM system you can look it from from manufacturers?
[05:30] <fennucci> oo ok
[05:31] <Seven_Six_Two> fennucci, but those files could have been open, and could become corrupt.
[05:31] <jan247> Diamondcite: nothing from the command line might help me here?
[05:31] <Diamondcite> jan247: Well dmidecode is already going quite far... I guess you can try memtest86+
[05:31] <fennucci> well worse comes to worse, I can just reformat and remake my usb right?
[05:32] <jan247> i see. thanks anyway Diamondcite
[05:32] <Diamondcite> jan247: That is a boot time memory checker, should help a little.
[05:32] <jan247> yep, i was hoping to avoid the restart :)
[05:32] <FennucciTWO> ok
[05:32] <jan247> was just lazy. haha
[05:32] <FennucciTWO> im wondering which laptop to tryt this on
[05:32] <FennucciTWO> hp or toshiba
[05:32] <Diamondcite> jan247: Err hrm.. As I said.. do you have an OEM system?
[05:33] <mickster04> fennucci: try both, you don't have to install to try it :p
[05:33] <mickster04> FennucciTWO: are you both of these guys?
[05:33] <FennucciTWO> yeah
[05:33] <jason_562> hahhaha
[05:33] <FennucciTWO> well I've tried it , I like it
[05:33] <Diamondcite> jan247: If you have a brandname system, sites like crucial.com which sells ram, has a way for you to look it up.
[05:33] <FennucciTWO> I have an hp g60 and a toshiba a505
[05:34] <mickster04> FennucciTWO: you shouldprolly remove one...
[05:34] <FennucciTWO> I'm assuming one of these will go offline as I try to instal it , I need constant support
[05:34] <FennucciTWO> :P
[05:34] <FennucciTWO> ok
[05:34] <jan247> Diamondcite: yep. oem. but hey, i'll just do a reboot. it's just a desktop anyway
[05:34] <dhodgkin> I used tasksel to switch from xubuntu back to ubuntu desktop.. tasksel removed everything aside from base server.. I did a fresh install of Maverick but now I have absolutely no window manager. I have search this online and the answer is always run 'metacity --replace &' which works until the term is closed. anyone know how I can fix this?
[05:34] <FennucciTWO> do I need more ram and such? for a dual boot?
[05:34] <mickster04> FennucciTWO: you use ram for one OS at a time
[05:35] <mickster04> :p
[05:35] <FennucciTWO> should I use the computer with lots of ram and HD space? is there much chance of things going bad? Corruption and what have you? all my stuff is backed up but I'm just wondering
[05:35] <FennucciTWO> right, so I guess ubuntu doesnt require tons of resources like windows
[05:35] <mickster04> FennucciTWO: edfinitely not
[05:35] <mickster04> !requirements
[05:35] <FennucciTWO> maybe I'll use my slower laptop to indulge
[05:35] <danileigh79> Diamondcite: can't free scan on crucial through linux, it dl's an exe now
[05:36] <FennucciTWO> Do I need to shrink my windows partition?
[05:36] <FennucciTWO> idk if I'm reading the right guide, this one seems to be making me do all sorts of silly things
[05:36] <danileigh79> FennucciTWO: I actually created a secondary partition cuz linux can still access my win files
[05:37] <milamber> !dualboot
[05:37] <ljsoftnet> FennuciiTWO what do you want to do?
[05:37] <arand> FennucciTWO: Just start the installer it will do everything automatically for you
[05:37] <FennucciTWO> really? including the partitioning?
[05:37] <mickster04> FennucciTWO: usually
[05:38] <arand> FennucciTWO: Yes
[05:38] <FennucciTWO> i like this
[05:38] <FennucciTWO> ok
[05:38] <danileigh79> FennucciTWO: yes, I keep all my reg win files on sda1, ubuntu on sda5, and I can still access my win files (music, vids, etc)
[05:38] <fennucci> ok here goes
[05:39] <fennucci> I like ubuntus interface
[05:39] <fennucci> its all smooth and sexy like
[05:39] <danileigh79> fennucci: me too lol
[05:39] <fennucci> its come along way
[05:39] <danileigh79> fennucci: i'm smooth and sexy too lmao
[05:39] <fennucci> I think most peoples preconceptions of linux is like a black sceren with a white blinky score, like retro msdos style
[05:40] <fennucci> lol danileigh79
[05:40] <fennucci> im hairy and sexy
[05:40] <mickster04> !OHMY
[05:40] <fennucci> anyway
[05:40] <Fudge> anyone know in gnome preferably a gtk app how to using one soundcard send voice outptut to headphones and music to rear jack for ext speakers?
[05:40] <danileigh79> mickster04: oh come on it wasn't that bad lol
[05:41] <mickster04> danileigh79: i dunno how bad things could have gotten tho...and no one wants to imagine that :p
[05:41] <izinucs> Fudge: pavucontrol should let you do that
[05:41] <danileigh79> Fudge: No, but now that you mention it, that would be nice lol
[05:41] <danileigh79> mickster04: I'm a good girl *grins*
[05:42] <danileigh79> izinucs: can that work on lappys too?
[05:42] <izinucs> danileigh79: probably.. you have to have the streams going first before adjusting.
[05:43] <Technicus> Hello, I am unsure which Nvidia driver is necessary for a HP Pavilion S7600N.  How do I figure this out?
[05:43] <mickster04> "the internet, where the men are men, the women are men, and the kids are fbi agents"
[05:43] <mickster04> Technicus: if you go to hardware drivers it recommends one for you
[05:44] <danileigh79> izinucs: what i mean is since lappy on has one jack, can i plug in mic/headset into jacks and still have sound come out of speakers or will the speakers be overridden by jacks
[05:44] <Technicus> mickster04: It does not recommend one.
[05:44] <mickster04> Technicus: at all? does it even list one?
[05:44] <danileigh79> Technicus: do ou see drivers at all for nvidia on hardware drivers screen?
[05:44] <Technicus> mickster04: I lists none.
[05:45] <izinucs> danileigh79: actual plugs? I'm not sure.. worth trying. works with my usb headset
[05:45] <mickster04> Technicus: have you restarted since you installed?
[05:45] <Fudge> ill try it izinucs
[05:45] <danileigh79> izinucs: yeah I have an old boom set
[05:45] <Technicus> mickster04: Yes, fresh install.
[05:45] <fennucci> ok mickster04
[05:45] <fennucci> im on step 4
[05:46] <danileigh79> mickster04: don't you have to unlcok keyring to see hardware drivers?
[05:46] <fennucci> its asking me, Install Side by Side choosing between each startup, Erase disk and use entire disk,  Specify partitions manually(advanced)
[05:46] <fennucci> obviously I dont want option 2
[05:46] <danileigh79> fwnn side by side in my opinion
[05:46] <danileigh79> fennucci: side by side in my opinion
[05:46] <fennucci> right but how much space will it partition?
[05:47] <mickster04> Technicus: well restart then do update/upgrade with synaptics package manager, then see again if thereis nothing listed
[05:47] <Technicus> What is a command to querry the video hardware.
[05:47] <danileigh79> fennucci: u set it
[05:47] <fennucci> thats the third option
[05:47] <izinucs> Technicus: lspci
[05:47] <danileigh79> fennucci: no do side by side, then it'll ask u how much to set
[05:48] <itsnotabigtruck> hey
[05:48] <itsnotabigtruck> anyone know the best way to work around this bug > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/435906
[05:48] <danileigh79> fennucci: for an 80gb hd I set win 70 lix 10gb
[05:48] <fennucci> are you sure?
[05:48] <fennucci> cause the third option has a slider bar
[05:48] <FrozenFire> I have a LUKS-encrypted drive with a single ext4 partition inside, which I have the password for in my keyring. Each time I log in, I have to select it from the Places menu to mount it. Is there a simple way to configure my system to auto-mount that drive?
[05:48] <fennucci> and it shows
[05:48] <danileigh79> fennucci: that's only to manage existing partitions, you don't have any
[05:48] <fennucci> o
[05:48] <fennucci> but it shows a ubuntu partition
[05:48] <fennucci> hrmpf
[05:48] <fennucci> ok
[05:49] <itsnotabigtruck> i.e. the best way to invoke (echo OFF > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch) sometime during startup, in order to avoid battery drain from turning on both gpus
[05:49] <danileigh79> fennucci: do side by side, choosing between them at start up, it will then ask you how much to set for linux
[05:49] <Technicus> izinucs: How can I get more specific?
[05:49] <izinucs> Technicus: sudo lshw
[05:50] <danileigh79> fennucci: trust me, I have just done it to 3 computers in the last 2 days
[05:50] <fennucci> now after having done the first option it prompts with a thing saying Before you can select a new partition size, any previous changes need to be written to disck, please note that the resize operation may take a long time
[05:50] <fennucci> ok
[05:50] <fennucci> so continue?
[05:50] <danileigh79> fennucci: yes
[05:50] <ruan> yes, i've partitioned my ntfs drive recently. was a success
[05:50] <fennucci> resizing partition... please wait ...
[05:51] <ruan> resized my partition at that
[05:51] <danileigh79> ruan: i did the gparted, gave ubuntu 2 extra gigs
[05:51] <ruan> i gave my ntfs partition 99.999% of the drive instead of 99.99%
[05:51] <danileigh79> ruan: scares the crap outta me
[05:51] <fennucci> how long will this take danileigh79
[05:51] <ruan> depends on the size
[05:51] <danileigh79> ruan: I had linux part at 8gb, gave it an extra 2gb
[05:52] <ruan> danileigh79: i had ntfs partition, gave it 10mb of unallocated space that windows didnt give
[05:52] <Technicus> izinucs: How can I get more specific with regards to finding out what the video card is?
[05:52] <danileigh79> fennucci: if you type danileigh79: I'll see it more clearly or just tyype danil then hit tab
[05:52] <ruan> in irssi, just hit the letter d
[05:52] <ruan> then tab
[05:53] <danileigh79> ruan: i'm running low on space on sda1, didn't wanna take too much
[05:53] <itsnotabigtruck> anyone got any ideas? ^^^ basically i'm just asking about the best way to run a command (writing to a sysfs file) during boot time
[05:53] <izinucs> Technicus: either command will/should give you exactly what it is.. nvidia <model #>, ATI, Intel etc.. what else are you looking for?
[05:53] <danileigh79> ruan: I don't think he's using irssi
[05:53] <itsnotabigtruck> i can think of a few ways to do it but not sure what the proper solution is
[05:53] <ruan> danileigh79: unlikely but im just saying
[05:53] <Rehan> anyone good with statistical math analysis around here?
[05:53] <ruan> i used irssi in my first week of ubuntu
[05:53] <danileigh79> ruan: lmao
[05:54] <Technicus> izinucs: Trying to find out what the Nvidia card is so that I can figure out what driver to use.
[05:54] <danileigh79> Rehan: huh??
[05:54] <izinucs> Technicus: it will be in one of those lists.
[05:54] <mickster04> !who
[05:54] <Rehan> danileigh79: just wondering...need some help with a problem and figured i'd ask
[05:54] <izinucs> Technicus: you should also have a driver waiting to activate in System>Admin>Hardware Drivers ..
[05:54] <Technicus> izinucs: Cool, I'll figure this out . . . thanks :)
[05:55] <danileigh79> Rehan: homework?? wrong channel, this is for ubuntu questions
[05:55] <itsnotabigtruck> Technicus: there ought to be the name of the card in the output from lspci
[05:55] <itsnotabigtruck> (not sure if they had you do that already)
[05:55] <Technicus> izinucs: Sadly it does not show drivers in the list.
[05:55] <itsnotabigtruck> if it's non-ancient then the nvidia driver should do the trick
[05:55] <Rehan> danileigh79: not homework, but oh well
[05:55] <Technicus> I will look throught the lspci more closely.
[05:55] <itsnotabigtruck> just look for anything with nvidia in the name
[05:55] <izinucs> Technicus: then you need to do your updates.. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:56] <danileigh79> Rehan: sorry, my math skills are limited after geometry and a lil bit of calc
[05:56] <itsnotabigtruck> it ought to say something like "nvidia geforce 4 series"
[05:56] <danileigh79> itsnotabigtruck: Technicus is in hardware drivers and nothing is showing up at all
[05:56] <Technicus> danileigh79: Yes that I what I have been saying.
[05:57] <danileigh79> Technicus: i know, that's why i was letting him know
[05:57] <itsnotabigtruck> danileigh79: well, it's possible that the driver manager app doesn't know what's up, it's not too difficult to install it manually
[05:57] <Technicus> izinucs: I am not familiar with dist-upgrade.
[05:57] <colin_> Hey I installed Ubuntu 10.1 and when I restarted all it shows me is a command prompt grub rescue> when i boot
[05:57] <itsnotabigtruck> the question is whether it's appropriate
[05:57] <izinucs> !dist-upgrade | Technicus
[05:58] <danileigh79> itsnotabigtruck: that's what a few of us were trying to get him to do, but he doen't know which model of vid card
[05:58] <itsnotabigtruck> Technicus: can't you just lspci in the terminal, then select everything and copypaste into this: http://pastie.org/ ?
[05:59] <itsnotabigtruck> alternatively do lspci > file.txt, then open file.txt in your home directory
[05:59] <fennucci> danileigh79, how long will resizing take?
[05:59] <ruan> just curious, but why does it show "translations for language English" in the update manager?
[05:59] <danileigh79> fennucci: could take a while depending on how much you set
[05:59] <fennucci> it didnt ask for me to set anything yet
[05:59] <fennucci> heh
[05:59] <danileigh79> fennucci: I set 10gb and it took near an hour
[05:59] <fennucci> ok its asking for username
[05:59] <fennucci> it never asked me to set anything
[05:59] <danileigh79> fennucci: creat it
[05:59] <itsnotabigtruck> ruan: probably because a lot of apps just consider english to be another language
[05:59] <ruan> right, but this is firefox
[06:00] <danileigh79> ruan: cuz firefox sucks lmao
[06:00] <itsnotabigtruck> isn't there a localization package for english for firefox?
[06:00] <itsnotabigtruck> that would be it
[06:00] <itsnotabigtruck> Technicus: any luck?
[06:00] <ruan> lol firefox doesn't suck
[06:00] <danileigh79> ruan: prefer chrome, soryr
[06:00] <izinucs> ruan: translations are basically labels, help files etc.. and sometimes they are updated.
[06:00] <PullTwo> l
[06:00] <colin_> :s anyone have any advice for me
[06:00] <ruan> yeah it just sounds wierd
[06:00] <itsnotabigtruck> i just set up a dual-boot with 11.04 earlier today and i'm kinda disappointed with firefox 4's appearance on linux
[06:01] <fennucci> ok danileigh79 if I import music and stuff, will it actually copy it over? having dupes?
[06:01] <itsnotabigtruck> in fact fx 4 only seems to look proper on windows
[06:01] <ruan> itsnotabigtruck: i changed the gui before i could use it
[06:01] <ruan> can't use it with the default gui
[06:01] <danileigh79> don't import anything, you can access it from Places>(size)FileSystem
[06:01] <fennucci> o
[06:01] <fennucci> ok
[06:01] <danileigh79> fennucci: don't import anything, you can access it from Places>(size)FileSystem
[06:01] <fennucci> what about firefox?
[06:01] <fennucci> will it import my bookmarks and what not
[06:01] <ruan> yes
[06:01] <itsnotabigtruck> fennucci: just put your music in the music directory
[06:01] <fennucci> ok then dont worry bout it?
[06:01] <itsnotabigtruck> duplicate songs might be an issue
[06:02] <itsnotabigtruck> it probably can't magically tell what's a "duplicate"
[06:02] <danileigh79> fennucci: if u want it too, but only if u were using firefox before
[06:02] <fennucci> but im just wondering if it copies it over, or if it shares the files
[06:02] <fennucci> yeah I was
[06:02] <tucemiux> if you want firefox 4 you can probably install it manually?
[06:02] <Lewoco> I installed a commerical program using their setup program and it created an entry in my start menu. I've since removed the program but the start menu entry is still there. How do I remove it?
[06:02] <itsnotabigtruck> i'm not sure what import feature you're talking about
[06:02] <fennucci> do I want to instal a bootloader?
[06:02] <itsnotabigtruck> Lewoco: i think there's a menu editor under settings
[06:02] <itsnotabigtruck> go and find the entry and nuke it
[06:02] <fennucci> what baout http proxy?
[06:03] <itsnotabigtruck> fennucci: well, you already have a bootloader
[06:03] <fennucci> right
[06:03] <danileigh79> itsnotabigtruck: i was gonna tell him just to create a shortcut so he doesn't have dup copies of music
[06:03] <fennucci> anyone have a solid proxy server to use?
[06:03] <Lewoco> itsnotabigtruck, I tried the menu editor but strangely this particular entry doesn't appear in it.
[06:03] <Sik> So, I've downloaded the Minimal CD ISO, and I want to put it on a LiveUSB using usb-creator-gtk... but then I click "other", select the ISO, and then nothing happens. And if I use --img, it still insists that the USB isn't big enough (even though the Minimal CD ISO is less than 13MB). Help?
[06:03] <itsnotabigtruck> also ruan: what gui is that?
[06:03] <danileigh79> fennucci: why proxy?
[06:03] <fennucci> idk just wondering
[06:03] <fennucci> but it still hasnt asked me how much I want to partition danileigh79
[06:03] <itsnotabigtruck> fennucci: ehh, proxy servers aren't worth bothering with
[06:03] <meltingpot> fennucci, i use nginx. very easy to configure. very fast
[06:03] <itsnotabigtruck> also most of them pass your ip on to the server
[06:03] <fennucci> I'm on the final step, before I instal
[06:03] <itsnotabigtruck> be advisedof that
[06:04] <danileigh79> Sik: using wubi? or pendrivelinux?
[06:04] <itsnotabigtruck> so they don't actually work terribly well to hide your address
[06:04] <fennucci> right
[06:04] <fennucci> I use Tor if I want to do something anon style
[06:04] <itsnotabigtruck> well, if you don't care about anonymity there really isn't much of a reason to use a proxy then, is there :p
[06:04] <meltingpot> fennucci, nm, i was thinking somethign else.
[06:04] <Sik> danileigh79: using the usb-creator-gtk that comes in the LiveCD :/ The CD drive isn't stable enough for the Ubuntu installer so I'm trying to install from USB instead
[06:04] <itsnotabigtruck> unless it's your only option, but then it's not under your control
[06:05] <danileigh79> pendrivelinux can create one
[06:05] <meltingpot> my head is still in web development land.
[06:05] <danileigh79> Sik: pendrivelinux can create one
[06:05] <fennucci> it says int he summary, danileigh79 that The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition $5 of SCSI1(0,0,0) as ext4 partition $6 of SCSI1(0,0,0) as swap
[06:05] <Technicus> itsnotabigtruck: http://pastie.org/1753117
[06:06] <fennucci> i hit instal
[06:06] <fennucci> YAY
[06:06] <itsnotabigtruck> GeForce 6150 LE
[06:06] <itsnotabigtruck> there you go Technicus
[06:06] <Sik> danileigh79: does it work on an Ubuntu LiveCD if I download it? :P
[06:06] <itsnotabigtruck> it's integrated nvidia graphics, not a separate chip/card
[06:06] <FrozenFire> Attempt #2: I have a LUKS-encrypted drive with a single ext4 partition inside, which I have the password for in my keyring. Each time I log in, I have to select it from the Places menu to mount it. Is there a simple way to configure my system to auto-mount that drive?
[06:06] <danileigh79> Sik: pendrivelinux creates a live usb, works he same as CD
[06:06] <itsnotabigtruck> that should be compatible with the latest nvidia driver
[06:06] <danileigh79> Technicus: GeForce 6150 LE
[06:07] <Sik> danileigh79: I mean the program itself, not the LiveUSB :/ This LiveCD is the only bootable thing I have right now
[06:07] <izinucs> !fstab | FrozenFire
[06:07] <itsnotabigtruck> do sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[06:07] <FrozenFire> izinucs: That's for on-boot mounts.
[06:07] <itsnotabigtruck> to load up the driver
[06:07] <FrozenFire> I'm looking for on-login mounts, because my keyring isn't available until then.
[06:07] <aju> Hai all, I need to create sitemap for my site. I am using ubuntu 10.04.Which will be tool for creating sitemap in my ubuntu machine
[06:07] <danileigh79> Sik: and it won't install from live cd?
[06:08] <FrozenFire> What does Nautilus invoke to mount a drive?
[06:08] <itsnotabigtruck> anyone know the best way to run a command during boot, to write a value to a sysfs file
[06:08] <Technicus> danileigh79: That is awesome, how do you decipuer that out of all that?
[06:08] <itsnotabigtruck> (just repeating since i don't think anyone saw it)
[06:08] <izinucs> FrozenFire: the mount command
[06:08] <Sik> danileigh79: like I said, I tried using usb-creator-gtk, but for some reason it refuses to use the ISO >_< (and is it me or the pendrivelinux boot creator runs only on Windows?)
[06:08] <itsnotabigtruck> Technicus: just look through the output for "geforce"
[06:08] <izinucs> !mount
[06:08] <itsnotabigtruck> nvidia's line of graphics hardware is called geforce
[06:08] <FrozenFire> izinucs: Apparently it's a bit more than that, since it's somehow pulling the password from the keyring.
[06:08] <danileigh79> FrozenFire: try this http://johnny.chadda.se/article/unlock-the-gnome-keyring-upon-login/
[06:09] <aju> anyone can help me
[06:09] <Sik> Just ask?
[06:09] <fennucci> anyone?
[06:09] <itsnotabigtruck> also nautilus auto-mounting is probably dark magic
[06:09] <danileigh79> Technicus: 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [GeForce 6150 LE] (rev a2)
[06:09] <fennucci> dark magic indeed
[06:09] <fennucci> sounds dirty
[06:09] <Technicus> itsnotabigtruck: HA!  Line 11, sharp eye!
[06:10] <danileigh79> Sik: I'm sorry, was doing a milliion and one things, lemme read what you said again
[06:10] <ruan> i've got a 6150se and it's got drivers
[06:10] <itsnotabigtruck> Sik: well, most people trying to make a linux boot stick are starting with windows
[06:11] <itsnotabigtruck> i think it might be possible to dd the iso image directly onto a usb drive
[06:11] <Sik> itsnotabigtruck: I need something I can run from an Ubuntu LiveCD to make the bootable USB :/
[06:11] <ruan> dd?
[06:11] <danileigh79> itsnotabigtruck: Sik says cannot install from live cd, and can only boot pc from live cd
[06:11] <Sik> danileigh79: yeah, the installer eventually fails at some point
[06:12] <ruan> Sik: what about an alternative cd
[06:12] <ruan> !alternative
[06:12] <itsnotabigtruck> ruan: why not dd?
[06:12] <danileigh79> Sik: mine on my server machine did too, just kept trying :(
[06:12] <userdel> I have a usb drive - fat32 - where folder access is RW and File Access is nill. when i mount it locally i can create/delete files in it but when i remount it the space used is shown but again no file access!!! how do i change file access ?
[06:12] <Sik> ruan: I'm trying to make a LiveUSB out of the minimal CD
[06:12] <ruan> right, l
[06:12] <ruan>     ^k*
[06:12] <danileigh79> FrozenFire: did yo utry that site I sent you too?
[06:12] <Sik> danileigh79: tried like 10 times by now, and got partition table corruption several times already because it never finishes the install properly :| The fact it won't even give me the option to retry doesn't help either.
[06:13] <FrozenFire> danileigh79: The problem isn't the keyring, it's getting the particular disk to mount on login.
[06:13] <FrozenFire> I don't want to enable auto-mounting entirely, I just want that one disk.
[06:13] <FrozenFire> If I can determine what Nautilus does to mount it, I can script that and include it in my startup applications.
[06:13] <danileigh79> FrozenFire: good luck, i've been looking for weeks
[06:13] <itsnotabigtruck> userdel: how are you mounting it
[06:14] <danileigh79> afk smoke break
[06:15] <Sik> ...bus error! :| Now I'll have to reboot if I want to start a new process. Great (this is what I meant with the LiveCD not working properly, eventually Ubuntu will refuse to read from the CD)
[06:15] <userdel> itsnotabigtruck: sudo mount -t vfat -o defaults,user,exec,uid=1000,gid=100,umask=000 /dev/sdb1 /media/fat_partition
[06:16] <itsnotabigtruck> it's probably that umask right there
[06:17] <itsnotabigtruck> wait, nm
[06:17] <danileigh79> FrozenFire: try this link, then I'll be bck in 5-10 minutes
[06:17] <danileigh79> FrozenFire: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[06:18] <FrozenFire> danileigh79: Actually, I'm just about to figure out how to do it.
[06:18] <FrozenFire> I'm inspecting Nautilus' dbus calls, which'll give me information on what to call to get it to mount the device.
[06:18] <danileigh79> FrozenFire: lmo ok, good luck, brb if u need anything you can pm me
[06:18] <itsnotabigtruck> Sik: can't you go to another comp and produce the usb from there
[06:19] <itsnotabigtruck> clearly the comp you're on has issues, maybe a fubar cd drive
[06:19] <Sik> itsnotabigtruck: and half a motherboard dead, but I don't have money :P
[06:19] <Sik> I still don't get why usb-creator-gtk would refuse to read the ISO though... Any ideas on why it might be doing that?
[06:20] <itsnotabigtruck> i dunno...try dd'ing it like i suggested
[06:20] <itsnotabigtruck> i'm not sure if it'll work but i've heard of it working
[06:20] <itsnotabigtruck> afaik the bios will see that it's a disc image and emulate a cd drivre
[06:20] <ceo> how to remove all webserver packeg on my ubuntu 10.10
[06:21] <itsnotabigtruck> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Putting_installation_media_on_a_USB_key#Arch_USB_images
[06:22] <fennucci> lol danileigh79 I rebooted after installation and now I get a black screen full of : [ 2497, 948221] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 505944"
[06:22] <fennucci> and subsequant errors
[06:22] <fennucci> wtf
[06:22] <itsnotabigtruck> ceo: well, figure out which web server you have installed, then use apt-get/synaptic/software center/whatever to remove it
[06:22] <fennucci> my live cd was in during reboot idk if that messed anything up danileigh79
[06:22] <itsnotabigtruck> fennucci: ...that's not good. what did you change?
[06:22] <itsnotabigtruck> and that isn't a problem
[06:22] <sl33k_> where would i find ~/.hgrc file to edit it?
[06:22] <fennucci> I didnt change anything, I installed ubuntu
[06:22] <fennucci> heh
[06:22] <itsnotabigtruck> i think danileigh79 is on a smoke break
[06:23] <itsnotabigtruck> sl33k_: that's where you'd find it :p
[06:23] <itsnotabigtruck> try doing
[06:23] <fennucci> should I reboot?
[06:23] <itsnotabigtruck> gedit ~/.hgrc
[06:23] <itsnotabigtruck> from the terminal
[06:23] <FloodBot1> itsnotabigtruck: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:23] <fennucci> you talking to me?
[06:23] <fennucci> gedit ~/. hgrc?
[06:23] <itsnotabigtruck> that was to sl33k_
[06:23] <ceo> itsnotabigtruck, am have install wine, and am not found the menu? on bar menu Application > wine but application > ???
[06:23] <fennucci> what do I do
[06:23] <fennucci> heh
[06:23] <fennucci> should I reboot?
[06:23] <ceo> and have have install wine
[06:24] <itsnotabigtruck> ceo: i'm having a hard time understanding you
[06:24] <fennucci> what should I do itsnotabigtruck
[06:24] <fennucci> lol
[06:24] <itsnotabigtruck> fennucci: well, seeing that not rebooting isn't going to do you much good
[06:24] <itsnotabigtruck> might as well
[06:24] <fennucci> how do I do it ?
[06:24] <fennucci> should I hard reboot or do command something
[06:24] <itsnotabigtruck> hit the reset button? :p
[06:24] <fennucci> power button?
[06:25] <itsnotabigtruck> if you don't have a reset button, yeah, hit the power button
[06:25] <itsnotabigtruck> if that doesn't do anything, hold it for a few seconds
[06:25] <itsnotabigtruck> then power it back up
[06:25] <ceo> itsnotabigtruck, am have install wine, and am need install windows application for work, how do i install it?
[06:25] <fennucci> shouldnt I try a command line first?
[06:25] <jasonmchristos> how doo i install ffprobe
[06:25] <fennucci> or no?
[06:25] <itsnotabigtruck> ceo: go to the terminal and do, sudo apt-get install wine
[06:25] <jasonmchristos> How do I install ffprobe?
[06:26] <itsnotabigtruck> or go to the software center and search for wine, i think that'll work too
[06:26] <ceo> itsnotabigtruck, am have do it
[06:26] <ceo> itsnotabigtruck, what the next step, am have instal the wine sudo apt-get install wine
[06:26] <FrozenFire> Anyone familiar enough with dbus to tell me how to convert the following into a dbus-send invocation? http://pastebin.com/6ZzCc3VA
[06:26] <jasonmchristos> How do I install ffprobe? apt-get install ffprobe says its mentioned but not found
[06:26] <danileigh79> fennucci: what's up?
[06:27] <itsnotabigtruck> jasonmchristos: fire up synaptic and search for it
[06:27] <ayecee> jasonmchristos: what is ffprobe?
[06:27] <fennucci> I rebooted after installation and now I have a black screen full of "[ 2497, 948221] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 505944"
[06:27] <fennucci> and subsequant errors
[06:27] <fennucci> different sector numbers
[06:27] <fennucci> etc..
[06:27] <ayecee> fennucci: that's bad news.
[06:27] <fennucci> lol
[06:27] <ceo> itsnotabigtruck, am have install wine and if am 2x klik on application have error like this : The file '/media/9E80F9D280F9B0BF/Windows Applikasi/Winamp 5.33/winamp533_full_emusic-7plus.exe' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied from an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit.
[06:27] <fennucci> good thing I did it with that laptop
[06:27] <fennucci> what happened ayecee ?
[06:27] <itsnotabigtruck> ceo: don't use winamp on linux
[06:27] <hu> blurple?
[06:28] <itsnotabigtruck> there's plenty of good linux mp3 players
[06:28] <danileigh79> fennucci: remove cd, reboot, and either set boot device or chose boot partition (ubuntu or windows)
[06:28] <ceo> itsnotabigtruck, its sample
[06:28] <fennucci> omg
[06:28] <fennucci> it worked
[06:28] <fennucci> haha
[06:28] <ceo> itsnotabigtruck, all application windows am can't run well on my ubuntu
[06:28] <fennucci> stupid live cd almost gave me a shitmypants attack
[06:28] <IdleOne> !language | fennucci
[06:28] <gslack> wine has always been a headache for me... I avoid it
[06:28] <itsnotabigtruck> ceo: if you really have to use windows stuff, maybe you should use windows >_>
[06:29] <bastidrazor> jasonjang: ffprobe is found in the ffmpeg package
[06:29] <pastorbelga> #ebooks
[06:29] <danileigh79> fennucci: ya you gotta watch ur language here... I usually use the expressions from FarScape like frell, hezmana, mivonks, stuff like that
[06:29] <bastidrazor> jasonmchristos: ^^
[06:29] <fennucci> heh alright
[06:29] <fennucci> its working tho
[06:29] <fennucci> :D
[06:29] <ceo> itsnotabigtruck, no, am need instal windows office 2007 and am have install wine but have some error if am run exe : The file '/media/9E80F9D280F9B0BF/Windows Applikasi/ms office/Microsoft_office_2007/setup.exe' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied from an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit.
[06:29] <fennucci> im ubuntu'ing
[06:29] <danileigh79> gslack: i agree about wine, I gave up on it
[06:30] <jasonmchristos> bastidrazor, ty
[06:30] <danileigh79> fennucci: good for u!! I'm proud of u
[06:30] <gslack> the words from battlestar galactica work well too lol
[06:30] <itsnotabigtruck> ugh, i hate these kinda channels
[06:30] <itsnotabigtruck> anyway, ceo: ok, running office on linux is a lost cause
[06:30] <itsnotabigtruck> use libreoffice, or switch to windows
[06:30] <itsnotabigtruck> libreoffice isn't as good as office but it's native to linux and it's good enough most of the time
[06:30] <gslack> gotta agree with itsnotabigtruck  on that one
[06:31] <danileigh79> dang it, I'm out of coffee.... gotta find me some Jolt!
[06:31] <itsnotabigtruck> there's a few other office apps for linux too, like abiword
[06:31] <ceo> what the libreoffice?
[06:31] <gslack> windows proprietary stuff is like trying to push an elepahnt uphill
[06:31] <itsnotabigtruck> but libreoffice is probably the best choice and it comes with ubuntu
[06:31] <itsnotabigtruck> ceo: look around in the menu for "openoffice write" or "libreoffice write"
[06:31] <danileigh79> itsnotabigtruck: ya I've had issues with openoffice.... can't get it to properly open up docs from my win part
[06:32] <gslack> open office comes with ubuntu till 10.10. then it goes to libre as of 11.04
[06:32] <fennucci> danileigh79, is there an easy way to setup wireless connections? or do I have to do it manually?
[06:32] <itsnotabigtruck> whatever, different names for the same thing (more or less)
[06:32] <ceo> he, itsnotabigtruck that not good for edit some document, so bad i think, am need run ms offcie 2007
[06:32] <gslack> true
[06:32] <ceo> itsnotabigtruck, please help me how to run it
[06:32] <mltdwn> install libre office it opens ms office docs like a champ
[06:32] <itsnotabigtruck> mltdwn: he's already got it
[06:33] <itsnotabigtruck> it comes with ubuntu
[06:33] <itsnotabigtruck> ceo: like i said, go through the menu
[06:33] <danileigh79> fenn go to system>administration>hardware drivers make sure you wifi card has the driver installed
[06:33] <itsnotabigtruck> it's under office i think
[06:33] <mltdwn> well it depends on what version
[06:33] <danileigh79> fennucci: go to system>administration>hardware drivers make sure you wifi card has the driver installed
[06:33] <Hyphenex> Howdy, has anybody here any experience mounting a RAID array on the live CD?  I've got nautilus showing up a 'Array', but it can't mount it, dmraid -l will return "no raid disks"
[06:33] <itsnotabigtruck> http://xkcd.com/627/
[06:33] <itsnotabigtruck> :)
[06:33] <ceo> am not found the menu of wine
[06:33] <fennucci> ugh I get an error
[06:33] <mltdwn> haven't been keeping up on the conversation so I don't know what version he's on
[06:33] <ceo> but am have isntall wine
[06:33] <itsnotabigtruck> not wine, openoffice
[06:33] <itsnotabigtruck> look for openoffice
[06:33] <fennucci> saying something bout network connection most drivers wont be availble
[06:34] <gslack> not trying to be captain obvious here but alot of this can be answered in Ubuntu online docs
[06:34] <danileigh79> fennucci: once that's done, all you have to do is click on the wifi symbol on the right of our panel
[06:34] <itsnotabigtruck> Hyphenex: hmmm.
[06:34] <danileigh79> fennucci: did you go to sys>admin>hardware?
[06:34] <ceo> The file '/media/9E80F9D280F9B0BF/Windows Applikasi/ms office/Microsoft_office_2007/setup.exe' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied from an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit.
[06:34] <fennucci> lol danileigh79 yzyz
[06:34] <fennucci> shouldve just told me wifi symbol at first
[06:34] <fennucci> its connected!
[06:34] <fennucci> :D
[06:34] <itsnotabigtruck> ceo: stop what you're doing and click the menu in the top left corner
[06:35] <itsnotabigtruck> and go to office
[06:35] <danileigh79> fennucci: most fresh installs with a win part require you to unlock the driver
[06:35] <itsnotabigtruck> then openoffice writer
[06:35] <gslack> lol
[06:35] <danileigh79> fennucci: awesome
[06:35] <itsnotabigtruck> installing office 2007 won't work, wine or no
[06:35] <gslack> agreed
[06:36] <ceo> hai, itsnotabigtruck am have install wine whare the wine configuration whare wine menu am not found it
[06:36] <itsnotabigtruck> danileigh79: any idea about the ideal way to run commands as root during boot?
[06:36] <ceo> that a proble, of me.
[06:36] <itsnotabigtruck> the google isn't providing much help
[06:36] <fds2> I'd like to backup my /home folder, so I "tar cvf /media/general/homebackup.tar /media/ubuntu/home".  When I "tar cvf /media/general/homebackup.tar /media/ubuntu/home", I get "tar: /media/general: Not found in archive" and "tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors".  /media/ubuntu/ is ext4, media/general/ is NTFS
[06:36] <ceo> am not found the wine menu
[06:36] <danileigh79> itsnotabigtruck: in what context?
[06:36] <ceo> right now google can't help me
[06:36] <itsnotabigtruck> to write something to a sysfs file, it's to control vgaswitcheroo
[06:37] <danileigh79> itsnotabigtruck: um... no idea, lemme see if my friend has any idea
[06:37] <itsnotabigtruck> fds2: that's...interesting
[06:37] <itsnotabigtruck> what happens if you do ls /media/general
[06:38] <fds2> itsnotabigtruck: it lists homebackup.tar
[06:39] <itsnotabigtruck> argh, compiz just crashed
[06:39] <itsnotabigtruck> fds2: try deleting/renaming homebackup.tar first
[06:39] <itsnotabigtruck> (just a shot in the dark)
[06:39] <Technicus> itsnotabigtruck: Excellant!
[06:39] <itsnotabigtruck> Technicus: you got the new driver working?
[06:40] <itsnotabigtruck> you should get an obnoxious nvidia logo before you log in, if it's operational
[06:40] <Technicus> itsnotabigtruck: Video is working great . . . thanks a lot!  After the update the the hardware displayed the drivers.
[06:40] <ceo> The file '/media/9E80F9D280F9B0BF/Windows Applikasi/ms office/Microsoft_office_2007/setup.exe' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied from an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit.
[06:40] <milamber> fds2: if you are using the c switch in both that is the problem
[06:40] <itsnotabigtruck> ceo: we heard that the first time
[06:40] <itsnotabigtruck> and what we're saying is, you can't run setup.exe like that
[06:41] <yagoo> ceo, wrong channel to talk about windows viruses and how to protect windows
[06:41] <itsnotabigtruck> office won't run correctly, with or without wine
[06:41] <kevdog> !ubuntu
[06:41] <itsnotabigtruck> you need to switch back to windows and install office there
[06:41] <ceo> yagoo, am not talk about windows, am talk  how to install windows application on ubuntu
[06:41] <milamber> fds2: tar -xvf to extract
[06:41] <itsnotabigtruck> or switch to something else other than office
[06:41] <itsnotabigtruck> you can't run setup.exe
[06:41] <fds2> milamber: I only used c switch in first step to create archive, not in 2nd step to restore it
[06:41] <gslack> and make sure its a good copy
[06:41] <gslack> jus sayin
[06:42] <yagoo> ceo, you giving advice on where to get warez? sounds like you're having a problem understand what ELF is
[06:42] <fds2> milamber: oops, I typed that wrong.  Allow me to correct...
[06:42] <itsnotabigtruck> yagoo: no, he's trying to install office on linux
[06:42] <itsnotabigtruck> and won't listen
[06:42] <danileigh79> itsnotabigtruck: I ound his link for editing commands as sudo during startup http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2875632
[06:42] <itsnotabigtruck> (or she's)
[06:42] <ceo> hai am used the original ms office, am need  install on ubuntu with wine, but can't
[06:43] <ceo> i can't install it yagoo
[06:43] <fds2> I'd like to backup my /home folder, so I "tar cvf /media/general/homebackup.tar /media/ubuntu/home".  When I "tar xpvf /media/general/homebackup.tar /media/general/", I get "tar: /media/general: Not found in archive" and "tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors".  /media/ubuntu/ is ext4, media/general/ is NTFS
[06:43] <yagoo> ceo, so what? we all use openoffice here. what do i care about msoffice?
[06:43] <xqvp43> ceo, you can use crossover
[06:43] <itsnotabigtruck> and danileigh79: yeah, i found some stuff about rc.local, was somewhat wary about editing it though
[06:43] <gslack> ceo,  do u dual boot windows and linux?
[06:44] <danileigh79> itsnotabigtruck: I don't blame you, me too
[06:44] <OutofAnswers> how'dya prep an old (secondary) NTFS windows disk for install?  Gparted or Startup Disk Creator, or...?  Cuz it locked up on install...
[06:44] <itsnotabigtruck> nm, i was looking at the wrong file (/etc/init.d/rc.local) which isn't meant to be edited, rc.local looks less scary
[06:44] <itsnotabigtruck> (in /etc)
[06:44] <ceo> openoffice so bad, not good, you know that, msoffice is the best for office
[06:44] <kevdog> Yo can edit rc.local
[06:45]  * yagoo thinks ceo is trolling
[06:45]  * gslack thinks yagoo may be right
[06:45] <ceo> yagoo, you say, the best is openoffice, kekekek that bad tool for office, am need work and am need ms office, couse that the pro one.
[06:45] <danileigh79> yagoo: be nice, doesn't sound like english is their first lanlguage, sounds like maybe even using an outdated translator
[06:46] <gslack> ceo,  do u dual boot windows and linux?
[06:46] <yagoo> danileigh79, well they can leave here becuase i'm not entertained
[06:46] <milamber> fds2: if you are extracting to the same folder you can omit the second part of the command, so: tar -xvf /media/general/homebackup.tar
[06:46] <ceo> xqvp43, crossover em.. did you have the ilegal download or warez download for crosover.
[06:46] <danileigh79> yagoo: we're not here to entertain u
[06:46] <yagoo> danileigh79, read again.
[06:46] <milamber> fds2: and what do you have mounted there? (/media/)
[06:46] <genesis__> how can i install gnash on crapbuntu 9.10
[06:46] <ceo> gslack, am not used dual boot
[06:47] <UndiFineD> ceo, yes there are differences between openoffice and ms office, still,  if you need to use ms office I recommend runnind windows in virtualbox
[06:47] <ceo> gslack, why ?
[06:47] <yagoo> danileigh79, soudns like u dont know what ceo is up to other than talking warez and stupidity
[06:47] <itsnotabigtruck> ceo: maybe you should use windows
[06:47] <tanath> running wine uninstaller crashes every time. any help? http://pastebin.com/ACriZFvW
[06:47] <itsnotabigtruck> if you absolutely have to use microsoft office
[06:47] <itsnotabigtruck> windows is the best choice
[06:47] <danileigh79> yagoo: he needs to find out how to use msoffice in wine, because he needs to use msoffice pro for work
[06:47] <tanath> i installed a stupid app which doesn't even seem to have an uninstaller, and now i can't use the wine uninstaller
[06:47] <yagoo> wow
[06:47] <itsnotabigtruck> ^^^ ceo
[06:47] <yagoo> kids
[06:47] <OutofAnswers> ceo: get a mac with iWorks... you sound like just the kinda user they make their stuff for... kekekeke
[06:48] <ceo> yagoo, you stupidity, fck. am just want install ms office
[06:48] <gslack> ceo,  ok then you cant run an office install straight up in wine to my knowledge
[06:48] <itsnotabigtruck> ceo: you want to do something that can't be done
[06:48] <itsnotabigtruck> at least without a lot of pain and suffering
[06:48] <LinuxFetus> Hey I have an easy (I think) general question about Ubuntu Studio.  I asked in there and didn't get a response, so I'd thought I'd ask in here.  When I go to the download page, all of the files say "alternate."  Is that normal?  Thanks!
[06:48]  * ruan prefers Openoffice over ms office
[06:48] <xqvp43> not tried yet. just learned from articles. I do not think it is necessary using ms office under ubuntu..
[06:48] <ruan> LinuxFetus: yes
[06:48] <kevdog> next topic??
[06:48] <itsnotabigtruck> LinuxFetus: hmm. well, the alternate installer lets you do a regular ubuntu install
[06:49] <itsnotabigtruck> it's just not quite as pretty
[06:49] <ceo> itsnotabigtruck, what i do/
[06:49] <ruan> !alternate
[06:49] <itsnotabigtruck> ceo: install windows
[06:49] <ruan> ceo: or use openoffice
[06:49] <fds2> milamber: ls /media results in "cdrom"
[06:49] <LinuxFetus> itsnotabigtruck, I could care less about using a GUI.  Thanks!  you too ruan.
[06:50] <ceo> UndiFineD, that have probel on virtualbox to, am can't used usb for install my ms office
[06:50] <itsnotabigtruck> anyway, i need some sleep, later, i'll mess with rc.local later :)
[06:50] <gslack> ceo,  two sites to help u... http://www.winehq.org/help/
[06:50] <ceo> and am not have windows,
[06:50] <danileigh79> ceo: http://www.junauza.com/2010/04/how-to-install-microsoft-office-on.html
[06:50] <UndiFineD> ceo, that is what backup images are for
[06:51] <gslack> and   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine
[06:51] <OutofAnswers> LinuxFetus: you get what I mean?
[06:51] <{{localhost}}> hi i am wondering why NFS will cause packets loss when playing any media files when i do ifconfig
[06:51] <ceo> danileigh79, thnks but that i have do, and work but am still can't install my ms office am used ubuntu 10.10
[06:51] <ayecee> localhost: this happens only when you run ifconfig?
[06:51] <milamber> fds2: you are trying to extract files to a directory that doesn't exist. you have to switch to /media and then do a mkdir general; however i wouldn't do that as the /media/ directory is designed for just that - physical media. backing up to the same hard drive doesn't make much sense if that's what you are trying to do.
[06:51] <ceo> gslack, you link nice, but that slove my proble to...
[06:52] <danileigh79> ceo: then if it doesn't work, it doesn't work
[06:52] <gslack> {{localhost}},  why are you running ifconfig while playing media files?
[06:52] <{{localhost}}> because on the router it have a lot of dropped packets
[06:52] <milamber> ceo: this doesn't really have anything to do with ubuntu, maybe #winehq could be of more assistance
[06:52] <ceo> danileigh79, what you mean, am have install the ms office on my windows at home, that  can istall it and good
[06:52] <danileigh79> ceo, if it doesn't work in wine, then you cannot install it on linux
[06:52] <ceo> but on windows am can't install it, am have used wine and pcon linx to.
[06:53] <ceo> danileigh79, all windows application can't run on wine, am have test it.
[06:53] <ceo> all application can't i run it
[06:53] <danileigh79> ceo: no, not all windows progams work on wine
[06:54] <{{localhost}}> gslack, and on the NFS server ifconfig says: RX packets:40853292 errors:0 dropped:26947 overruns:0 frame:0
[06:54] <ceo> yes all windows program,
[06:54] <fds2> milamber: I'm trying to backup /home so I can install 11.04 (long story), but my first pass using cp failed, assumingly because the target partition was NTFS and therefore did not retain file persmissions.   I want to tar /home with p to save permissions, then extract to an ext4 folder and then diff the two folders to make sure they are duplilcates
[06:54] <ceo> am have test it, one my  ubuntu, and milamber am have used ubuntu, and the probel on ubuntu not on wine develper.
[06:54] <ceo> my uubntu can't run wine app well
[06:55] <danileigh79> ceo: wine isn't perfect
[06:55] <toad> danileigh79, I'm ubuntu'ing
[06:55] <toad> YAY
[06:55] <toad> this went rather smooth, I think I'll put it on my other laptop
[06:55] <toad> I have it all setup to my liking in like 5 minutes
[06:55] <ceo> danileigh79, what the perfect, am can't install ms office that mean perfect
[06:56] <danileigh79> ceo: nevermind I'm going to bed
[06:56] <danileigh79> adios all have fun
[06:56] <danileigh79> toad: fennucci ??
[06:57] <danileigh79> toad_: fennucci??
[06:57] <FTWFTWFTW> toad: WHAT INSTALL?  What OS?
[06:57] <gslack> {{localhost}},  not sure I can help you on that without any particulars on your setup and distro/version
[06:57] <toad> ubuntu
[06:57] <ceo> humf can't solve my proble, the ubuntu team is f*ck
[06:57] <FTWFTWFTW> oh..
[06:57] <toad> yeah
[06:57] <toad> ubuntu YAY!
[06:57] <toad> heh
[06:57] <danileigh79> toad: congratz, I gotta go to bed though, look for me tomorrow
[06:57] <milamber> fds2: then create a directory for your backup: sudo mkdir /backup      then create your tar, copy your tar: sudo cp mybackup.tar /backup and then extract it: sudo tar -xpvf mybackup.tar
[06:58] <FTWFTWFTW> Macbuntu is what I have up right now...  Pretty cool.  The apple logos can go tho...
[06:58] <UndiFineD> ceo, reread what we said
[06:58] <toad> well danileigh79 I'm sure you'll be seeing alot of meh
[06:58] <gslack> ceo, what u want is not logical nor possible in wine right now
[06:58] <toad> well maybe not, so long as I dont incounter many problems
[06:58] <toad> :P
[06:58] <FTWFTWFTW> ceo: you are fck...  \
[06:58] <ceo> UndiFineD, am have read all what you said guy
[06:58] <ceo> FTWFTWFTW,  you are fck ...\
[06:58] <fds2> milamber: Thanks.  Will do.
[06:58] <FTWFTWFTW> lol
[06:58] <FTWFTWFTW> kakakaka
[06:58] <danileigh79> toad: :) have fun with ubuntu, and read up on the forums, and don't be afraid to google something, just make sure you put linux or ubuntu in the search too
[06:59] <UndiFineD> so, install virtualbox, windows, ms office, done
[06:59] <FTWFTWFTW> later all.. bst of luck
[06:59] <milamber> fds2: also, use the p switch when creating tar. i'll be around for a bit if you have any more issues
[06:59] <gslack> i really think ceo is trolling
[06:59] <ceo> gslack, you mama trolling fck
[06:59] <danileigh79> gslack: i'm finally begining to agree with you
[07:00] <gslack> lol he likes me
[07:00] <UndiFineD> !language ceo
[07:00] <milamber> ceo: have you set the executable bit on the file? is it on an ext3/4 partition?
[07:00] <danileigh79> seems like it lmao
[07:00] <gslack> i have a way with ....ppl
[07:00] <danileigh79> milamber: save your breath, he's been playing us from the moment he got here, he's not doing anything we've told him to do
[07:00] <tanath> any time i run the wine uninstaller or regedit they crash. can anyone help?
[07:00] <ceo> milamber, yes
[07:01] <milamber> danileigh79: breath saved then, thanks
[07:01] <danileigh79> good night!
[07:01] <tanath> or task manager
[07:01] <ceo> UndiFineD, am from indonesia  but on that chanel like fck chanel so fck fck on id ubuntu
[07:01] <milamber> tanath: how did you install wine?
[07:01] <UndiFineD> !ops
[07:01] <tanath> milamber, repository.. using 1.3
[07:02] <UndiFineD> I warned ceo for language
[07:02] <UndiFineD> thanks
[07:02] <milamber> tanath: have you tried: sudo apt-get remove wine      ?
[07:02] <gslack> good call
[07:02] <tanath> milamber, i did reinstall it...
[07:03] <gslack> may have to do a complete removal
[07:03] <tanath> milamber, and i wouldn't be able to run them for sure if it weren't installed at all
[07:03] <milamber> tanath: apt-get remove is the opposite of install, have you tried running it?
[07:04] <tanath> milamber, as i said, i reinstalled it
[07:04] <tanath> milamber, as in, aptitude reinstall
[07:04] <tanath> milamber, if i uninstalled wine then i wouldn't be able to use wine.. how does that help me use wine?
[07:05] <milamber> (01:00:52 AM) tanath: any time i run the wine uninstaller or regedit they crash. can anyone help?
[07:05] <operatorplik> tolong
[07:05] <tanath> milamber, task manager too
[07:05] <vacan> haey
[07:05] <milamber> tanath: then you need to be more specific on what you are trying to do. that seems to me like you are trying to uninstall wine
[07:05] <gslack> same
[07:05] <operatorplik> ada orang indonesia ngak
[07:05] <Duhza> when i install my ubuntu desktop on my mac osx it just says debian 4. something
[07:05] <tanath> milamber, no... i'm trying to run various wine utilities, like regedit, task manager and uninstaller
[07:06] <tanath> milamber, i didn't realize that was unclear
[07:06] <tanath> milamber, they all crash
[07:07] <Duhza> milamber when i try to install ubunutn desktop it just says debian 4. something else
[07:07] <milamber> tanath: does anything work with wine then?
[07:07] <gslack> lol god im glad I dont screw with wine anymore lol
[07:07] <genesis__> how can i install gnash on crapbuntu 9.10
[07:07] <tanath> milamber, winecfg runs fine
[07:08] <gslack> the app "playonlinux" helps a great deal
[07:08] <tanath> milamber, so do things like my diablo 2 mod
[07:08] <ruan> genesis__: you're not going to get an answer for 'crapbuntu', please stop using that word
[07:09] <tanath> i installed a stupid game maker app that seems evil, so tried to uninstall it, but now i can't run various wine utilities
[07:09] <DaPenguin> hey, anyone ever run into the issue where an mpeg4 video just stops playing and no other mpeg4 vids will play? vlc still works so i'm thinking it's an issue with gstreamer.
[07:09] <ruan> tanath: did you purge wine?
[07:09] <ruan> tanath: it might've damaged wine's settings
[07:09] <tanath> ruan, hm, no
[07:09] <bonjoyee> is there a way to merge bootable cds into one disk keeping their individual menus intact?
[07:10] <tanath> ruan, i just want to be careful, because i do have apps installed i don't want to lose
[07:10] <ruan> tanath: back them up, delete everything and restore them
[07:10] <genesis__> ruan, I thought u people would be helpful but u dont care
[07:11] <ruan> genesis__: it's called 'ubuntu'
[07:11] <bonjoyee> DaPenguin: try "rm  .gstreamer-0.10/registry.*.bin"
[07:11] <Kimmen> genesis__: 9.10 isn't a supported version anymore
[07:11] <milamber> genesis__: sudo apt-get install gnash
[07:11] <gslack> proper version of gnash should be in ubuntu repos
[07:11] <milamber> !9.10
[07:11] <DaPenguin> bonjoyee, that the temp dir? hmm, kk, i'll take a look
[07:11] <Kimmen> oh look at that =)
[07:12] <ruan> eol is 1 day after natty is released
[07:12] <toad_> where can I find a dictionary of sorts to learn command line terminology?
[07:12] <milamber> 25 days or so :)
[07:12] <bastidrazor> !terminal | toad_
[07:12] <bonjoyee> DaPenguin: inside your home folder
[07:12] <ruan> toad_: the command line itself is also a dictionary, if you use autocomplete
[07:12] <ruan> toad_: though that link is probably more helpful
[07:13] <DaPenguin> bonjoyee, yeah, just wondering exactly what that does. not all that familiar gstreamer
[07:13] <ruan> also the 'help' command
[07:13] <DaPenguin> *with
[07:13] <toad_> how can I use the terminal as a dictionary?
[07:13] <kevdog> any thoughts on bodi linux ubuntu variant?
[07:14] <bonjoyee> DaPenguin: just deletes the gstreamer codec registry..it recreates it when you play media files
[07:14] <ruan> toad_: the command 'help' and with autocomplete
[07:14] <gslack> kevdog,  its a nice looking distro
[07:14] <DaPenguin> bonjoyee, kk, and no joy, ugh
[07:14] <gslack> tried the live cd once liked its looks but e17 is still too buggy for me
[07:14] <kevdog> anyone ever use it -- I dig e17 for my way older computers
[07:14] <ruan> toad_: tab is autocomplete, pressing it twice shows all commands that it can autocomplete to
[07:14] <bonjoyee> DaPenguin: any error message while playing the videos?
[07:15] <gslack> i run an ATI card so... lol
[07:15] <DaPenguin> bonjoyee, checking now, doing it from the gui just kills the window
[07:15] <kevdog> oh ok -- intel graphics for older computer
[07:15] <ruan> toad_: i'd also suggest that link
[07:16] <gslack> well the base i tried was from ubuntu 10.04
[07:16] <gslack> e17 is still considered beta
[07:16] <nyRednek> question, where is the menu.lst for grub config?
[07:17] <gslack> good rule of themb is how well your ssytem runs that version of ubuntu main
[07:17] <DaPenguin> nyRednek, it's grub.cfg on ubuntu, or /etc/defaults/grub to edit the auto generated cfg file
[07:18] <ruan> toad_: there are programs for the terminal which can do tasks such as browsing, downloading, irc, and video/audio playing
[07:18] <kevdog> actually I think e17 isnt even alpha yet
[07:18] <Stryker> i think opendic does something with terminal toad
[07:18] <nyRednek> DaPenguin: so no menu.lst?
[07:19] <gslack> nah pretty sure its hit beta just recently but then again i could be wrong
[07:19] <gslack> lol 8 years at alpha i think
[07:19] <DaPenguin> nyRednek, nope, same file is stored in grub.cfg
[07:19] <toad_> well I want to learn command line
[07:19] <Stryker> anybody know how to reverse a track in ardour?
[07:19] <cipher> Will reverting to an older version of GDM (no more themes) potentially mess anything up?
[07:20] <gslack> its fast and unique tho
[07:20] <ruan> cipher: usually downgrades mess things up if programs are dependent on a newer version
[07:20] <nyRednek> DaPenguin: where is that? in /boot?
[07:20] <ruan> cipher: im not sure about gdm
[07:20] <tanath> ruan, ok, i purged wine and installed again, and it still crashes >.<
[07:20] <Stryker> toad_, you could use elinks to go to a dictionary site from terminal
[07:21] <cipher> alright thanks, i suppose I will just avoid it until i hear other words :p
[07:21] <tanath> ruan, was really hoping to avoid losing stuff
[07:21] <milamber> toad_: if you hang out here, you will learn lots of command line stuff. anything in particular?
[07:21] <ruan> tanath: can wine config launch?
[07:21] <DaPenguin> bonjoyee, hmm, getting an integer parameter out of range error, http://pastebin.com/awzKEBAj
[07:21] <tanath> ruan, yup
[07:22] <tanath> ruan, but regedit, taskmgr and uninstaller crash. uninstaller is the one i want at the moment
[07:22] <tanath> ruan, revo won't run either
[07:22] <DaPenguin> nyRednek, /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[07:22] <ruan> tanath: looks like a corrupt registry
[07:23] <tanath> ruan, i deleted the folder for the app i installed and want gone.. couldn't trust the uninstaller to run it... might that have done it
[07:23] <ruan> since all of those apps read from the registry to get data
[07:23] <nyRednek> DaPenguin: then just reboot from that?
[07:24] <ruan> tanath: you might need to remove the registry
[07:24] <colin_> I edited my grub to run windows 7 as my default OS but it still wont do it
[07:24] <colin_> any advice?
[07:24] <tanath> ruan, are not cdkeys & such typically stored there?
[07:25] <tanath> ruan, i don't want to have to reinstall apps
[07:25] <ruan> tanath: yeah :/
[07:25] <cipher> colin_, why don't you just format any ntfs partitions?
[07:25] <DaPenguin> tanath, it's config information for windows apps
[07:25] <cipher> oh wait, sorry lol
[07:25] <ruan> tanath: some apps are portable and work without reg keys, but some need to be regged in the registry to work
[07:26] <tanath> ruan, actually, i found the registry file and am looking through it now... doesn't look like it does have cdkey info.. so far
[07:26] <Stryker> anybody know how to reverse a track in ardour?
[07:26] <tanath> ruan, mhm
[07:26] <ruan> tanath: try to remove registry keys related to that app
[07:26] <tanath> DaPenguin, among other things... like cdkeys, often
[07:26] <genesis__> whyu
[07:26] <tanath> ruan, looking for them..
[07:26] <DaPenguin> tanath, sometimes, yes
[07:26] <colin_> cipher, format to what? I have about 3 partitions that are ntfs
[07:26] <ruan> tanath: and the uninstaller key for that app
[07:27] <gslack> colin did u run update grub?
[07:27] <genesis__> why the guys that made ubuntu doesnt do suport for gnash
[07:27] <colin_> gslack, i just used the application but no i didnt run that
[07:27] <ruan> !info gnash
[07:27] <Stryker> you can make ubuntu genesis__
[07:27] <ruan> genesis__: does sudo apt-get install gnash work?
[07:27] <gslack> well sometimes the app fails to do that
[07:28] <gslack> go to terminal and sudo update grub
[07:28] <ruan> sudo update-grub
[07:28] <colin_> okay i just did that so i'll restart and see then
[07:28] <gslack> ty ruan
[07:29] <gslack> yep try it
[07:29] <DaPenguin> ugh, thinking this is probably a fglrx issue with the movie players
[07:29] <milamber> ruan: already told him to do that ~ no response
[07:30] <ruan> no response here either
[07:30] <gslack> maybe hes ceo's friend
[07:30] <gslack> lol
[07:31] <max> hello all
[07:31] <Guest10828> how is everybody?
[07:31] <tanath> ruan, well, that doesn't belong.. "[Software\\Classes\\adbanner.adbanner] 1267492447"
[07:32] <Guest10828> could anybody help me wit backtrack?
[07:32] <Lewoco> When I run 'nautilus' nothing seems to happen. Does anyone have any ideas why not?
[07:32] <cipher> i am curious, when i was in the login screen i hit cntrl-alt-f1 and then logged in as rooted. exported screen to 0.0. and ran gnome control center. however the screen did not spawn in the login screen?
[07:32] <cipher> (i have looked for an answer for a hour or so btw)
[07:32] <ruan> tanath: addbanner o_O
[07:32] <ruan> ad*
[07:33] <tanath> ruan, yeah... i knew after going through the installer it was a bad app... no close button, no uninstaller shortcuts, etc
[07:33] <tanath> ruan, buddy says it's great though :P
[07:33] <ruan> tanath: lol
[07:34] <ruan> tanath: maybe it works better on windows itself.. or maybe its a virus
[07:34] <Lewoco> cipher, Can you start other gui apps like gnome-terminal?
[07:34] <cipher> lewoco: I did it before on another ubuntu machine :p
[07:34] <ruan> Lewoco: can you run 'gksudo nautilus'?
[07:35] <ruan> just a random check
[07:35] <tanath> ruan, yeah, it didn't work. said click here to start but did nothing. works on windows apparently. but yeah, it seems to be bundled with malware
[07:35] <ruan> tanath: adware too, it seems
[07:35] <rodhash> Hey guys, I just formated an external disk with mkfs.ntfs and latter it's mounted as fuseblk.. any idea why it's not ntfs as FS type?
[07:35] <Lewoco> ruan, Cool that works.
[07:35] <ruan> Lewoco: though it runs as root
[07:35] <tanath> ruan, as far as i'm concerned adware is malware
[07:35] <ruan> tanath: it's all malicious, yea
[07:35] <mah454> I eed java plugin for firefox .
[07:36] <tanath> ruan, if i don't want it there and it insists on anything against my will, it's evil
[07:36] <ruan> mah454: install icedtea
[07:36] <Lewoco> ruan, Why on earth does nautilus need root? Isn't it just a file browser?
[07:36] <ruan> Lewoco: i guess it just failed without it. it doesnt need it though
[07:36] <ruan> Lewoco: might be some permission error
[07:36] <theos> hi! what would be an easy to use remote desktop application for ubuntu?
[07:37] <ruan> theos: teamviewer
[07:37] <tanath> ruan, FYI it was something called "mario worker" and it's available on download.com (cnet)
[07:37] <theos> so that i can configure my friend's pc remotely
[07:37] <theos> ruan, thanks :)
[07:37] <tanath> ruan, so much for their so-called reliability
[07:37] <ruan> tanath: hmm
[07:37] <Sonne> theos, actually there should be a menu entry already for it
[07:38] <tanath> ruan, more: [Software\\Classes\\AMtoolbar.AMtoolbar.1\\CLSID] 1267492447
[07:38] <Sonne> try system -> preferences -> remote desktop
[07:38] <theos> Sonne, by what name?
[07:38] <theos> oh
[07:38] <ruan> tanath: looks like an ie toolbar
[07:38] <tanath> ruan, installer offered some things all of which i deliberately unchecked.. but i've learned it's pointless. it does stuff anyway. and i'm being proven right
[07:38] <ruan> tanath: i bet an antivirus would've went off at that
[07:38] <tanath> ruan, not likely. i've seen enough comps infected without alerts..
[07:39] <ruan> yes but behaviorical detection
[07:39] <tanath> ruan, and it's not a virus, but other malware
[07:39] <jiltdil> how to on off my speaker sount through terminal?
[07:39] <Lewoco> ruan, What can I do to figure out where the problem lies?
[07:39] <ruan> installs ie toolbar, modifies registry
[07:39] <tanath> ruan, well other apps may have, but likely not an antivirus
[07:39] <ruan> Lewoco: you could check the logs
[07:39] <Lewoco> ruan, Where are they?
[07:39] <ruan> Lewoco: /var/log/
[07:39] <kumar_> hi i am new to irc
[07:40] <kumar_> can anyone get me?
[07:40] <jiltdil>  how to on/off my speaker sound through terminal?
[07:40] <larious> ruan: am tired about my ubuntu... I need Java .deb so that i can have sun java on my linux
[07:40] <Sonne> jiltdil, alsamixer, M
[07:41] <Sonne> kumar_, hello
[07:41] <larious> ruan: am tired about my ubuntu... I need Java .deb so that i can have sun java on my linux
[07:41] <ruan> larious: sudo apt-get install -d sun-java6-jre
[07:41] <jiltdil> sonne: but in this i have to mute the sound i want something like that when i enter a command the speaker off
[07:42] <ruan> larious: then look in /var/apt/cache for the downloaded .deb
[07:42] <ruan> larious:sorry i meant  sudo apt-get -d install sun-java6-jre
[07:42] <kumar_> Ya
[07:42] <Sonne> jiltdil, throw a man amixer - i'm sure you can find a way by poking a bit
[07:42] <kumar_> How to use IRC?
[07:43] <theos> kumar_, join #help
[07:43] <tanath> ruan, so glad i know about clsids
[07:43] <larious> <ruan: I dont have internet for my Ubuntu I use .deb that I download with another os, like using xp to donw it from the net
[07:43] <kumar_> #help
[07:43] <theos> kumar_, type /join #help
[07:43] <jiltdil> Sonne:thanx i will study it
[07:44] <ruan> larious: ohhh
[07:44] <ruan> larious: packages.ubuntu.com
[07:44] <larious> not getting package for lucid
[07:45] <ilea> can somebody help me?
[07:45] <bonjoyee> larious: still struggling?
[07:45] <ruan> larious: do you need sun java or can you use openjdk java?
[07:45] <tanath> i "love" microsoft. looked up help for something on their site, and got this: "This article applies to a different operating system than the one you are using. Article content that may not be relevant to you is disabled."
[07:45] <ilea> i downloaded the new firefox and it is in tar.gz format
[07:45] <gslack> lol
[07:45] <tanath> i'm using ubuntu..
[07:46] <ilea> can someone help me install it
[07:46] <tanath> why would they assume they know what os i need help with?
[07:46] <ruan> tanath: they check your browser's useragent
[07:46] <gslack> activex
[07:46] <bonjoyee> did you follow these http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.xml#selfextracting ?
[07:46] <bonjoyee> larious: ^^^^
[07:46] <tanath> ruan, oh, i know HOW they do it
[07:46] <ruan> tanath: lol
[07:46] <larious> ruan: am new to linux and want to do it carefully, if you can give me the one that is compactible, I wnt to complie a program and this program need java
[07:46] <tanath> ruan, just not why.. i'll often be looking up something for someone else..
[07:46] <gslack> they do it cause mr gates wills it so
[07:47] <tanath> ruan, it's stupid to hide info based on something like that
[07:47] <ruan> true
[07:47] <gslack> they fear u will run off make a new windows clone
[07:47] <ruan> lol
[07:47] <tanath> gslack, that'd be ballmer actually. gates is off saving the world
[07:47] <gslack> sell it for a hundred less
[07:48] <gslack> true lol
[07:48] <master> hello every body
[07:48] <tanath> gslack, yeah, it's called linux :P
[07:48] <xqvp43> hi there,  is there a symantic ghost of like to backup/restore ubuntu partitions?
[07:48] <xqvp43> reinstall on system broken is a hard ting
[07:49] <gslack> well all we have to do is start charging and we can be just like em
[07:49] <gslack> well.. that and usurp all others in our area
[07:49] <bonjoyee> xqvp43: clonezilla.org
[07:49] <larious> ruan: am new to linux and want to do it carefully, if you can give me the one that is compactible, I wnt to complie a program and this program need java
[07:49] <arand> xqvp43: Look into clonezilla or systemrescuecd/fsarchiver
[07:49] <ruan> larious: go to the link that bonjoyee gave you
[07:50] <gslack> i only caught the linux bug 5 years ago. but two things I keep handy at all times is grb rescue disk, and system rescue CD
[07:50] <gslack> saved me from myself a geat deal
[07:51] <ruan> lol
[07:53] <gslack> anyone here ever messed with PC-BSD?
[07:53] <xqvp43> thank you bonjoyee and arand. I am checking on clonezilla.
[07:54] <arand> gslack: Offtopic, mind you.
[07:55] <gslack> true sorry just happened to see it listed on distrowatch
[07:55] <kumar_> clear
[07:57] <kumar_> TIMER
[07:57] <home-alone> hi...how to mount ntfs drive...???? My ntfs drives are read only
[07:59] <gslack> home-alone,  easiest way is to use ntfs configuration tool
[07:59] <gslack> u can get it through software center or synaptic easily enough
[07:59] <home-alone> what is it called..???
[08:00] <gslack> pretty simple and straightforward to use as well
[08:00] <gslack> ntfs configuration tool
[08:01] <r1tz> :D :D :D
[08:01] <gslack> it enables/disables read/write in ntfs partitions
[08:02] <larious> ruan & bonjoyee: I have .bin file there how do I do it with that?
[08:03] <gslack> home-alone,  as soon as u install it it will be in administration under ntfs configuration tool
[08:03] <gslack> once u run it it will mount all your ntfs partitions for u
[08:03] <ruan> larious: when you put it on the ubuntu pc, open a terminal
[08:03] <gslack> well so long as u enable read/write on them in the app
[08:04] <halpbatman> can ubuntu handle more than one display?
[08:04] <ruan> larious: then type chmod +x file.bin && ./file.bin
[08:04] <jiltdil> how to create iso image from terminal?
[08:04] <ruan> larious: put the file in home
[08:04] <bonjoyee> larious: folloe the steps i gave you...
[08:04] <halpbatman> ping
[08:05] <ruan> halpbatman: ubuntu can handle more than one display
[08:05] <ruan> not sure how though
[08:05] <larious> ruan & bonjoyee: Thank you bros, I will get back to you soon
[08:06] <XATRIX> hi guys, is it possible to run 2 jobs at the same time via cron ?
[08:06] <XATRIX> i did it like this
[08:06] <XATRIX> but it's not working
[08:06] <leapy0yo> hi
[08:06] <XATRIX> */60 * * * * screen /home/xatrix/games/arma2oaserver sync && screen /home/xatrix/games/arma2oaserver repo
[08:06] <ruan> XATRIX: && does it after another
[08:07] <leapy0yo> is there a way to have two users attach the same screen istance?
[08:07] <ruan> XATRIX: a solution is to run 2 scripts, or run one in the background by using &
[08:08] <r1tz> && does the second one if the first passed
[08:08] <ruan> yes
[08:08] <ruan> ; does it regardless if it failed or not
[08:09]  * r1tz renames channel to #bash ;)
[08:09] <ruan> lol
[08:10] <introuble> Hello?
[08:10] <introuble> Sorry, I'm so desperate. Is anybody willing to help me? It's urgent
[08:11] <_drag0nz> hey guys, im trying to apt-get install lynx but it just stays on this: Get:1 http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main lynx-cur i386 2.8.8dev.3-3 [1,211kB] - 0% [1 lynx-cur 0B/1,211kB 0%]
[08:11] <Al-Bawi> hi there , can i upgrade from ubuntu 10.10 32-bit to 11.04 without erasing my current applications and games ?
[08:11] <_drag0nz> it doesnt download the packages.. any idea why its doing that?
[08:12] <gslack> introuble,  whats the emergency,
[08:12] <ruan> _drag0nz: switch the dl mirror
[08:12] <introuble> My netbook keeps booting to a shell. It says it can't mount sys nor dev nor another thing. When I try to safely reboot with reisub, it goes into kernel panic!
[08:12] <introuble> Please, somebody help me.
[08:12] <ruan> _drag0nz: system > administration > software sources
[08:13] <introuble> I would be so grateful.
[08:13] <XATRIX> guys need to run 2 commands by cron one after one finished
[08:13] <XATRIX> how can i do it ?
[08:13] <_drag0nz> ruan, this is ubuntu server, where are they located?
[08:13] <ruan> _drag0nz: oh
[08:13] <_drag0nz> ruan, and where can i find mirror addresses?
[08:13] <ruan> _drag0nz: you need to change the place where ubuntu downloads its software from
[08:13] <ruan> not too sure how to do that in terminal
[08:13] <syn-ack> you edit the sources.list directly is all
[08:14] <introuble> Can anyone help me? It won't load my operating system, I don't know how to fix it on my own.
[08:14] <syn-ack> there used to be a list of servers on the ubuntu site. Not sure if it's still there.
[08:14] <nickals> how do i install everything after the installation is complete? i mean, i want to do like "apt-get install everything-humanly-possible"
[08:14] <nickals> for a desktop
[08:14] <ruan> introuble: run a fsck on the drive, it seems to not be able to mount
[08:14] <ruan> !fsck
[08:14] <nickals> non-server
[08:14] <gslack> introuble,  do you have a live CD/DVD media disk of your OS?
[08:15] <syn-ack> nickals, You can't, really
[08:15] <introuble> Yes, that's what I'm running now
[08:15] <syn-ack> nickals and you really don't want to do that in the first place
[08:15] <introuble> i don't even think I have enough space to back up my files.
[08:15] <nickals> syn-ack, any ones that would knock out a large amount of the stuff you would want on a desktop?
[08:15] <ruan> introuble: you could do online backup
[08:15] <introuble> With what service?
[08:15] <syn-ack> nickals, many.
[08:15] <ruan> introuble: i use mediafire
[08:15] <gslack> introuble,  not sure i follow u here. u ran a live cd and thats what happened?
[08:15] <introuble> I can't afford to pay for anything
[08:15] <nickals> syn-ack, im installing it for someone else, im use to slackware which comes totally loaded outta the box for the most part, i know ubuntu lacks a lot in comparision
[08:16] <introuble> No
[08:16] <ruan> introuble: it's free
[08:16] <syn-ack> nickals, define lacks a lot.
[08:16] <nickals> like it only has gnome
[08:16] <nickals> no kde
[08:16] <nickals> and like
[08:16] <introuble> gnome-battery-moniter was freaking out over my power chord, it was being fickle about its position
[08:16] <nickals> only a couple web browsers, not all 25 of them
[08:16] <introuble> and then my pc died
[08:17] <syn-ack> nickals, They're in the repos...
[08:17] <introuble> and I finally get it to accept the chords power and it loads to shell
[08:17] <nickals> syn-ack, yea but i dont wanna spend all night apt-get'ting each thing one by one
[08:17] <introuble> saying it couldn't mount anything
[08:17] <introuble> Although it looks to me like the files are still there
[08:17] <syn-ack> nickals, well, that's about the only way you can do it, tbh
[08:18] <gslack> introuble,  i would first go int obios and do some checking
[08:18] <nickals> :/
[08:18] <gslack> go into bios make sure nothings fried if u can
[08:18] <introuble> What should I be looking for?
[08:18] <introuble> How would I be able to tell?
[08:18] <introuble> I used the boot drive to check for errors, but it couldn't come up with anything
[08:19] <syn-ack> nickals, and to be honest, Slack really is a bad example of "what's lacking" since they don't even have an effective package manager. but that's neither here nor there
[08:19] <gslack> see if ur drives are all listed and all.
[08:19] <introuble> although the boot drive carries an older distro
[08:19] <introuble> they are!
[08:19] <gslack> not sure how u get into bios from urs depends on ur bios
[08:19] <nickals> syn-ack, you obviously havent used slack recently
[08:20] <introuble> No, I'm telling you, my hard drive is there and I can access it from this boot drive.
[08:20] <nickals> try being up-to-date before making such comments
[08:20] <gslack> with u losing power like u did u could have lost a lot of system files
[08:20] <introuble> It checked for errors
[08:20] <introuble> It came up nothing
[08:20] <nickals> (cause it does have a package manager now, thats very similar to apt-get)
[08:20] <Tyrnis> plop all
[08:20] <introuble> It said my drive was fine
[08:20] <gslack> ok then its a os error. if u have live media u can try and fix the corrupt or missing files
[08:20] <nickals> syn-ack, and slackware comes a lot more loaded "out-of-the-box"
[08:20] <ruan> introuble: when you boot, can you boot in recovery mode?
[08:20] <nickals> syn-ack, just sayin
[08:21] <syn-ack> nickals, That's not always a good thing.
[08:21] <introuble> Recovery mode?
[08:21] <ruan> introuble: yes
[08:21] <gslack> ty
[08:21] <introuble> From the bios or the shell?
[08:21] <introuble> I wouldn't know how from the shell
[08:21] <ruan> introuble: shell
[08:21] <gslack> insert ur live disk
[08:21] <ruan> introuble: well, i mean ubuntu recovery mode
[08:22] <ruan> !recovery
[08:22] <nickals> syn-ack, in the case of having a small hd, only way i can see it being bad. embedded systems and such
[08:22] <gslack> got ya
[08:22] <ruan> introuble: ok, that too
[08:22] <introuble> I didn't see an option for a recovery mode type of thing in my boot drive
[08:22] <introuble> And the shell's commands are basic
[08:22] <syn-ack> introuble, it's there
[08:22] <XATRIX> guys, how can i restrict any operations (except reading) of file for every user ?
[08:22] <introuble> what would I put?
[08:23] <ruan> introuble: startx
[08:23] <QuestPC> Hi! Can someone copy/paste me php 5.3.2 configure string from phpinfo() for latest LTS (10.04)? I've misconfigured php and apache is broken. Tried to upgrade 5.3.2 to 5.3.6 via compiling.
[08:23] <ruan> introuble: what type of shell is it though
[08:23] <ruan> introuble: is it a shell you can login to?
[08:23] <XATRIX> i mean, it shouldn't be moved, renamed,... by anyone
[08:23] <introuble> startx won't work in lucid
[08:23] <introuble> ruan: Not that I know of. But I'm not familiar enough with bash
[08:23] <gslack> ok a lot of info we dont have yet
[08:23] <QuestPC> they've changed DNS and I ran configure with old freebsd 6.3 options instead of ubuntu 10.04 lts.
[08:23] <gslack> do u use grub for one thing
[08:24] <introuble> gslack: yes
[08:24] <QuestPC> now I cannot get configure string, it is stored in PHP of any LTS installation
[08:24] <introuble> I tried start gdm, didn't do anything
[08:25] <syn-ack> introuble, it's not in bash, it's in the bootloader.
[08:25] <syn-ack> introuble, you reboot, hold shift after the bios init and it's in there
[08:25] <gslack> ok then do u have a grub rescue disk?
[08:25] <syn-ack> make sure you use the left shift.
[08:25] <introuble> Er, wait. Hold shift after bios, recovery mode comes up?
[08:25] <introuble> That's what I should do?
[08:26] <syn-ack> mmhmm
[08:26] <ruan> yep
[08:26] <introuble> And other than that, anything else I should try before I come back here?
[08:26] <gslack> better than my plan lol
[08:26] <ruan> if it works, after logging in, then type startx
[08:26] <ruan> it will start up the gui and should work afterwards
[08:27] <QuestPC> Can someone copy/paste phpinfo() configure string for 10.04 LTS, anyone? It is a matter of 5 seconds for anyone who runs LAMP. I don't need complete phpinfo only configure string.
[08:27] <gslack> one quick thing, if it works get yourself a grub rescue disk ASAP
[08:27] <introuble> Do I have to run any command to login? The shell it's been presenting me doesn't ask on its own.
[08:27] <ruan> introuble: the recovery mode should ask to login
[08:27] <introuble> Okay
[08:27] <introuble> Awesome
[08:27] <ruan> i hope it works
[08:27] <introuble> If it works, I'm coming back to thank you guys
[08:28] <introuble> It's 3am and I have to leave at 7
[08:28] <introuble> Wish me luck
[08:28] <ruan> good luck
[08:29] <gslack> sorry guys i thought he said he was running from live media
[08:29] <jackdamiels> Smbdy know how to install daily releas of unity 3d in 10.10?
[08:29] <gslack> not me i hate unity
[08:30] <gslack> the interface not the concept lol
[08:30] <vadimkiselev> #php
[08:30] <syn-ack> jackdamiels, you don't.
[08:30] <QuestPC> Anyone has 10.04 LTS installed?
[08:30] <Keshi`> QuestPC: No.
[08:31] <QuestPC> Keshi`: Why?
[08:31] <jackdamiels> @syn-ack : what do you mean by, you don't
[08:31] <syn-ack> jackdamiels, first off, they don't have a ppa for that particular repo in 10.10 so if you want it, you will have to install the older version that comes with UNR and second off, PPAs are not supported
[08:31] <Keshi`> It is old.
[08:31] <Keshi`> I only use it on my server.
[08:31] <QuestPC> Keshi`: I also have it on my server.
[08:32] <syn-ack> jackdamiels, to install the daily, you'd have literally upgrade your entire DE upto and including the X server
[08:32] <QuestPC> Keshi`: Can you look for phpinfo() configure string for me, please?
[08:32] <jackdamiels> syn-ack now I understand, thank you very much
[08:33] <Keshi`> I am not at home and my server does not have sh...can later on if you like.
[08:33] <syn-ack> yeah, jackdamiels if you want to check out Unity, either install 11.04 to a VM or just upgrade to it on your live system
[08:34] <jackdamiels> syn-ack I tried to installing 11.04 on virtual box, but with no sucess
[08:34] <QuestPC> Keshi`: Ok, thanks. I'll try to ask at ubuntu forums. If nobody would reply there, I'll come here again. Thank you.
[08:34] <introuble> I love you. I love each and every single one of you.
[08:34] <gslack> 11.04 A2 didn't like my system at all
[08:34] <syn-ack> jackdamiels, how long ago?
[08:34] <introuble> Love love love. I want to marry you.
[08:34] <jackdamiels> 2 days ago
[08:34] <gslack> lol
[08:35] <syn-ack> jackdamiels, I've been running it for 6 weeks now, no major issues. Starting to stablise it's self real nice
[08:35] <introuble> We're getting married, living in a quaint cottage, and having 8 penguin babies.
[08:35] <introuble> Thank you thank you thank you thank you
[08:35] <introuble> !!! <3 <3 <3 XOXOXO
[08:35] <syn-ack> jackdamiels, did you do an online upgrade or a fresh install from one of the daily installers?
[08:35] <gslack> syn-ack,  fixed ya
[08:36] <syn-ack> gslack, come again?
[08:36] <ruan> !yay | introuble
[08:36] <gslack> sorry syn WAS TELLING HIM U FIXED HIS ISSUE
[08:36] <gslack>  sorry
[08:36] <jackdamiels> syn-ack I am talking about virtual box installing from beta 11.04 live cd
[08:36] <introuble> ruan: It was pretty easy, too. Thank GOD you guys were here.
[08:36] <introuble> I don't know what I would have done without you <3
[08:36] <syn-ack> gslack, ah.
[08:37] <jackdamiels> syn-ack I don't know other way to install it on virtual box
[08:37] <shiftingcontrol> thunderbird is fetching only 2 mails when i click get mail,but i have few thousands of mails to be fetched
[08:37] <syn-ack> introuble, I'm glad you made it.
[08:37] <ruan> lol
[08:38] <McQueen> Hi, is there any website like logmein for linux?
[08:38] <toto> hi there
[08:38] <pesto> dear all, I have some problem with cpu frequency scaling. The acpi-cpufreq module is correctly loaded and the ondemand governor is active. However, cpufreq-info gives the following:  current policy: frequency should be within 3.40 GHz and 3.40 GHz.                   The governor "ondemand" may decide which speed to use                   within this range.
[08:38] <introuble> Okay.... Time to sleep.
[08:38] <introuble> Thanks so much, really.
[08:39] <introuble> I hope y'all have really incredible lives.
[08:39] <Guest82426> i installed ubuntu in a netbook, the netbook remix.
[08:39] <introuble> Night!
[08:39] <Guest82426> this netbook is from our school.
[08:39] <gslack> night introuble
[08:39] <Guest82426> we have wifi. i do not want the students to see the wpa key. how should i do?
[08:40] <shiftingcontrol> Guest82426:means you want to hide the network on  scan ?
[08:40] <Guest82426> shiftingcontrol, no, the network is seen and known by everyone.
[08:41] <Guest82426> i just want to avoid the students to click and see the key to copy it and use their smartphones
[08:41] <Guest82426> cause if i right click properties under gnome, i can see everything.
[08:41] <ruan> Guest82426: gnome stores it, it doesn't give it out
[08:41] <Guest82426> they should use these computers.
[08:42] <Guest82426> ruan, right click and you see it
[08:42] <mokte> :)
[08:42] <ruan> Guest82426: yes but you're on the network, it stores the key for it
[08:42] <Guest82426> i know, i d just like for them not be able to see the key
[08:42] <ruan> they can't see it externally
[08:42] <Guest82426> mmmmm yes they can
[08:42] <ruan> Guest82426: hmm
[08:43] <Guest82426> once they re connected,
[08:43] <ruan> Guest82426: they can't connect without the key
[08:43] <Guest82426> they can just right click and see the wpa key
[08:43] <{C9}t00lsh3d> He's saying the students will be using the computer, and on the computer than can see they key, he doesn't want them to be capable of that.
[08:43] <ruan> ohhhhhhh
[08:43] <ruan> right
[08:43] <Guest82426> ruan, ok:
[08:43] <{C9}t00lsh3d> Man what I just typed made no sense
[08:43] <{C9}t00lsh3d> lol
[08:43] <Guest82426> that s it. i don t want them to COPY the key for other devices
[08:43] <ruan> lol
[08:43] <mokte> hi ppl
[08:43] <gslack> lol
[08:43] <Guest82426> is there a way?
[08:44] <gslack> wouldnt that be a aministrator only type of thing?
[08:44] <ruan> Guest82426: there should be, im not sure if wicd does it
[08:44] <ruan> !info wicd
[08:44] <gslack> or root vs user
[08:44] <Guest82426> gslack, you mean create a user with restricted rights?
[08:45] <Guest82426> or change permissions of the file?
[08:45] <{C9}t00lsh3d> I can't seem to find a way to see the key in xubuntu maybe if you use xubuntu's network manager ?
[08:45] <gslack> well do ur students all have separate usernames?
[08:45] <Guest82426> (which one)?
[08:45] <Guest82426> gslack, no, on e account could be created.
[08:45] <{C9}t00lsh3d> One sex
[08:45] <{C9}t00lsh3d> sec*
[08:45] <Guest82426> :)
[08:45] <pretender> running ubuntu lucid have a directory of .doc files wanting to convert to PDF files. how do I do this
[08:46] <Guest82426> {C9}t00lsh3d, easy though: you click on  the wifi antenna icon, right click, properties, modify, etc...
[08:46] <{C9}t00lsh3d> ah I see now
[08:47] <Guest82426> another one: it supposed to ship unity... (10.10 netbook) but there s nothing here...
[08:47] <Guest82426> I just want something "easy": i know they could get it, by chrooting or liveCD ing... but they do not know nothing on this.. :)
[08:48] <{C9}t00lsh3d> Just don't leave I'm curious of how to do this as well so if I find a way I'll let you know
[08:48] <ruan> you could use a different network manager, which is why i suggested wicd
[08:49] <sunch> 这时哪里的论坛
[08:49] <gslack> would have assumed this would have been limited in a regualr user account
[08:49] <gslack> wow
[08:49] <Guest82426> gslack, i ll create a user then... but i d like confirmation cause in such a small netbook, adding and adding won t do good
[08:49] <sunch> 哪里？
[08:49] <ruan> !cn
[08:50] <gslack> yeah wait and see i may be wrong
[08:50] <Guest82426> {C9}t00lsh3d, i ll be there around.
[08:50] <{C9}t00lsh3d> I don't even know how to make limited accounts because I'm awesome like that
[08:50] <Keshi^> pretender: Print them to a pdf printer or open them up in openoffice and export them.
[08:50] <gslack> lol
[08:50] <{C9}t00lsh3d> At that I hardly know how to make another account lol
[08:51] <gslack> just create one user account for students
[08:51] <Guest82426> gslack, that s it?
[08:52] <Guest82426> System - Administration - Users and Groups
[08:52] <gslack> i have no idea to be honest if it will work
[08:52] <gslack> not sure what would be limited
[08:52] <gslack> let me run through users andf groups on here real quick
[08:53] <gslack> administration/users and groups
[08:53] <{C9}t00lsh3d> It's stalling on creation of a new user, SAD FACE
[08:53] <brontosaurusrex_> how can i choose mirror for natty download?
[08:53] <gslack> hmmmm
[08:54] <iceroot> brontosaurusrex_: #ubuntu+1
[08:54] <pretender> keshi:  dont have a pdf printer installed how can i install one
[08:54] <gslack> well i know u can manage what a user can access from there but not sure about ur particular situation
[08:54] <llutz_> pretender: apt-get install cups-pdf
[08:55] <arazilla> hey, i just rebooted into linux, and suddenly my track pad does not work, tried a restart, and that didn't work, nor did the hardware enable/disableing of the track pad. any ideas?
[08:55] <Guest82426> gslack, well, i click on advanced properties:
[08:55] <Guest82426> question is: if i give them the user privilege of accessing wifi and ethernet networks...
[08:55] <Guest82426> ...
[08:56] <gslack> also ubuntu is not as robust on this as Debian is.. so not sure how much u can limit effectively and still allow net access
[08:56] <Guest82426> gslack, ... :(
[08:56] <gslack> prolly better what on toolshed
[08:56] <Guest82426> i give a try
[08:57] <ruan> Guest82426: does the wicd connection manager show the key?
[08:57] <gslack> sorry man its a issue i never had
[08:57] <gslack> got 3 kids and none of em want to use linux lol
[08:57] <Guest82426> ruan, i don t use it right now: they just have to run the default one, ... easy trick
[08:57] <gslack> so only one user
[08:57] <zer0s> gslack, why not?
[08:57] <gslack> ah they like gaming
[08:58] <zer0s> eh
[08:58] <Guest82426> gslack, it s a test. cause if i can avoid windows 7 and antivirus etc on these small poor things...
[08:58] <gslack> u know kids
[08:58] <ruan> Guest82426: yes but if you remove the default one and use wicd
[08:58] <llutz_> Guest82426: use wpa_supplicant to configure your wifi-network, set the conf to 600 and nobody except root will see the key
[08:58] <zer0s> eventually porno addiction will win out gaming addiction
[08:58] <ruan> Guest82426: ok listen to llutz_
[08:58] <gslack> lol zer0s
[08:58] <gslack> yeah my boys at the age
[08:59] <Guest82426> llutz, ruan: easy to remove ONLY the gnome tool? don t even know the name...
[08:59] <gslack> well guys im off for the night goodluck guest
[08:59] <zer0s> gnite
[08:59] <llutz_> Guest82426: networkmanager? no need, if you configure wifi in /etc/network/interfaces, it will ignore that interface (theoretically)
[09:00] <arazilla> hey, i just rebooted into linux, and suddenly my track pad does not work, tried a restart, and that didn't work, nor did the hardware enable/disableing of the track pad. any ideas you can give me?
[09:00] <zer0s> networkmanager is the better option for people who don't know what they're doing
[09:00] <visual1ce> hi
[09:00] <ruan> yeh
[09:00] <visual1ce> keyserver.ubuntu.com down?
[09:00] <zer0s> messing around in /etc is going to be nothing but headaches
[09:01] <{C9}t00lsh3d> xD, just an idea Guest82426 remove the icon tray ?
[09:01] <{C9}t00lsh3d> They could just put it back but maybe they wont know how
[09:03] <ruan> is there a way i can make my fullscreen login password invisible?
[09:03] <ruan> fullscreen login
[09:03] <ruan> i mean
[09:03] <ruan> console
[09:03] <visual1ce> trying to add mozilla ppa for ff 4 but keyserver.ubuntu.com is timing out - not responding to ping either
[09:03] <visual1ce> can anyone verify?
[09:04] <ruan> From eth0.chenet.canonical.com (91.189.88.133) icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[09:04] <ruan> yep visual1ce
[09:04] <visual1ce> ya - me too
[09:04] <{C9}t00lsh3d> same here
[09:04] <visual1ce> thx
[09:05] <ruan> i wonder hmm
[09:05] <ruan> how could canonical's keyserv be offline
[09:05] <visual1ce> weird right?
[09:06] <ruan> yeah
[09:06] <ayambit> I do start-stop-daemon --chuid vbox --start --exec /usr/lib/virtualbox/vboxwebsrv -- --background -H 194.85.195.183 -F /srv/log/vboxwebservice
[09:06] <ayambit> and it says vboxwebsrv: error: could not get base directory for logging: VERR_ACCESS_DENIED
[09:06] <ayambit> Any ideas?
[09:06] <ayambit> I granted ownership to vbox user on /srv/log
[09:07] <ruan> ayambit: what happens if you do it with sudo?
[09:07] <ayambit> I'm doing this as root.
[09:07] <ruan> right
[09:08] <Guest82426> removing the icon is useless.
[09:08] <visual1ce> well now its just refusing connections - maybe DoS?
[09:08] <ruan> no it isnt
[09:08] <ruan> 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2000ms
[09:08] <ruan> visual1ce: it's back online here
[09:08] <{C9}t00lsh3d> Same here
[09:09] <ruan> visual1ce: try adding the ppa again
[09:09] <visual1ce> i did - twice
[09:09] <{C9}t00lsh3d> 16 packets transmitted, 14 received, 12% packet loss, time 15013ms
[09:09] <{C9}t00lsh3d> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 165.098/169.835/180.234/3.966 ms
[09:09] <Bartzy> Hi
[09:09] <Bartzy> I need to delete LOTS of files, I have their names (no name pattern, I just have a file list to delete). Some of those files may not exist - I need to verify that.. that all files on my list WON'T be in the filesystem. Looping through the file list and doing `rm -f $file` without checking if the file exists - Is that the fastest way ? Or it will be faster to check if each file exists before trying to delete it ?
[09:09] <{C9}t00lsh3d> It was down for me at first ?
[09:09] <visual1ce> maybe the ppa is no more... im trying to add ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable
[09:09] <ruan> visual1ce: it isnt
[09:09] <ruan> !ff4
[09:10] <Guest82426> zer0s, i d prefer avoiding modifying those files: otherwise i would not choose ubuntu as a distro.
[09:10] <ruan> my ppa is: http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu
[09:10] <Guest82426> i know it s possible theoretically, i did it a long time ago: and it was painful.
[09:10] <Guest82426> those times wifi was still obscure
[09:10] <Guest82426> zer0s, so i d prefer avoiding this.
[09:10] <zer0s> i assume you're desperate?
[09:10] <Guest82426> there must be a way: can  t we find the conf file where the password is stored and don t give read access to it?
[09:10] <ruan> why not use wicd and remove default network manager?
[09:10] <llutz_> Bartzy: cat file|xargs rm -f
[09:11] <brontosaurusrex_> is ff 4 any faster that 3.x series?
[09:11] <ruan> brontosaurusrex_: yes
[09:11] <ohsix> lawl @ removing something that gets millions of eyes for something that doesn't
[09:11] <brontosaurusrex_> especially startup
[09:11] <visual1ce> thx ruan - that worked
[09:11] <Guest82426> oh, by the way, the touchpad is not working well: two finger is not supported at all, it messes everyting
[09:11] <visual1ce> bye for now
[09:12] <Bartzy> llutz_: Yep - I know how to do it, I'm asking if it's faster to check if the file exists first before executing rm -f on it
[09:12] <llutz_> Bartzy: unlikely
[09:13] <ruan> i remember some linux distro was on our school computers, though all i remember was a transparent 'widget' which showed the time
[09:13] <ohsix> Guest82426: you should state all that you want to do, from what i've read of the backlog network-manager can do it fine
[09:14] <Bartzy> llutz_: Thanks, appreciated.
[09:14] <ruan> most definitely not gnome
[09:14] <RahulNM> How can I reset my server's root password?
[09:15] <ohsix> Guest82426: for connections that aren't "system connections" the password is stored in the users keyring
[09:16] <ohsix> Guest82426: thankfully theres a checkbox to make it one automatically (as a bonus it'll get you on your wifi before you login) the file is managed for you as well, permissions and stuff
[09:16] <ohsix> as to permissions: # ls -al /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/HOME
[09:16] <ohsix> -rw------- 1 root root 350 2011-02-09 17:35 /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/HOME
[09:17] <ohsix> feel free to ask me personally about anything else
[09:21] <ruan> is there a way to get fullscreen console to censor my password when i type it?
[09:21] <ohsix> ruan: what fullscreen console? one of the ttys?
[09:21] <Sik> OK, so: installed Ubuntu through the minimal installer (took the minimal CD ISO and made it run on an USB), and it goes all fine... yet I go boot from hard disk, and it doesn't get past a blinking cursor. Huh, what? (and ctrl+alt+del reboots, so I guess the BIOS interrupts are still in effect)
[09:21] <ruan> ohsix: ctrl alt f1
[09:21] <ohsix> ruan: and what do you mean censor, it's getty and has configuration, but i don't know if it'll do what you want; it doesn't sho wanything here
[09:22] <llutz_> ruan: tty login won't show password here at all by default, not even asterisks
[09:22] <ohsix> did you change your terminal type in your login scripts?
[09:22] <ruan> nope
[09:22] <ruan> somehow it shows the password when i type it
[09:22] <ohsix> if you did, the termattr to change the mode might be broken
[09:22] <ohsix> what's $TERM?
[09:22] <ohsix> something unknowningly might have changed it
[09:22] <ruan> xterm
[09:22] <ohsix> well there you go
[09:23] <FloodBot3> !netsplit
[09:23] <ruan> what's it meant to be?
[09:23] <ruan> did ubottu have a netsplit?
[09:23] <ohsix> something changed it in the wrong place, or without checking if it was a real tty
[09:23] <ohsix> ruan: "linux", check all your profile & login scripts for garbage
[09:24] <ohsix> don't just set it back
[09:24] <ruan> ok
[09:24] <offsense> anyone knows to install fortinet ssl vpn client in ubuntu?
[09:24] <ruan> odd
[09:24] <ohsix> ruan: best to check /etc/profile & profile.d first; then you'll know if it's from a package immediately
[09:24] <jasonmchristos_> How do I save all of the packages I have downloaded from apt repos since I booted this live CD?
[09:25] <ruan> wow
[09:25] <ohsix> jasonmchristos_: they're in /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:25] <ruan> oh..
[09:25] <rmz> _rmz_
[09:25] <ruan> it shows the password if i typed the password wrong the firs time
[09:25] <ruan> >_<
[09:25] <ohsix> ruan: hah nice, lemme try that
[09:25] <vagvaf> how can i list which packages have i installed on top of the default ones?
[09:25] <{C9}t00lsh3d> Is there a way for me to check my Xfce version ?
[09:25] <ruan> that's what i want to get rid of
[09:26] <ohsix> ruan: it doesn't do that here, are you using mint or something?
[09:26] <llutz_> ruan: just type it correct 1st time :)
[09:26] <ruan> nope, ubuntu
[09:26] <ruan> llutz_: i made a typo the first time :c
[09:26] <ruan> hold on, im gonna try again
[09:26] <ohsix> ruan: well first thing, find out whats changing $TERM
[09:26] <ruan> gaahh
[09:26] <ruan> it was my 'login' not my password
[09:27] <ohsix> .
[09:27] <ruan> i got confused between the two again
[09:27] <ohsix> so you were expecting it to ask for your password repeatedly
[09:27] <ruan> yep
[09:27] <ohsix> instead it fails once, asks for user and pass again
[09:27] <llutz_> try reading the screens output
[09:27] <ruan> yeah i failed at reading
[09:27] <ohsix> k, not a bad mistake to make ;]
[09:28] <ohsix> most people might, but it's done that way; and with the delay in order not to leak any information about whether the login name was valid, or any other information
[09:28] <ruan> yea
[09:29] <ohsix> ruan: do you use wicd? did you know about network-managers system-connections capability
[09:29] <ohsix> llutz_: ^ you too
[09:29] <visual1ce> hi
[09:29] <visual1ce> libreoffice ppa?
[09:29] <ruan> havent used wicd or network manager
[09:29] <llutz_> ohsix: no/yes
[09:29] <ruan> since im on ethernet
[09:29] <ohsix> alrighty
[09:29] <visual1ce> also i have no firefox apparmor profile
[09:30] <visual1ce> is there a ppa bot?
[09:30] <ohsix> well please dont' suggest using anything that needs to be installed over whats there already, that's whats supported
[09:30] <jasonmchristos_> ohsix, so how do i tell the next boot to load them ?
[09:30] <visual1ce> !ppa libreoffice
[09:30] <ruan> ppa isnt a command :P
[09:30] <visual1ce> ruan you know what i need :P
[09:30] <ruan> !google ppa libreoffice
[09:30] <ohsix> jasonmchristos_: well for a live cd you'll need to do it every time ... for an install they're just cached packages, after they're installed you don't need them anymore
[09:30] <llutz_> ohsix: so is ifupdown/wpa_supplicant ;)
[09:31] <ohsix> llutz_: you know what i mean
[09:31] <ruan> visual1ce: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/libreoffice-gets-3-3-0-stable-version-released-ppa-installation-instructions-included.html
[09:31] <ruan> visual1ce: old guide, newer ppa
[09:32] <visual1ce> ya - im getting old ppas too
[09:32] <visual1ce> is there a "ppa list"?
[09:32] <ohsix> it goes without saying that if you think network-manager sucks, or you don't like the name; or whatever you can think of, it's not on topic to carry on like that, people are here to solve the problems with their most immediate tools, manual configuration or obfuscation of their installed files and configuration is a last resort
[09:32] <llutz_> ohsix: yep and i still won't agree. usually there is more than one way to get things working, thats how unix is.
[09:32] <ohsix> visual1ce: well they're all on launchpad, so if you're searching them start there
[09:33] <visual1ce> actually that ppa looks good
[09:33] <ohsix> llutz_: that's a red herring, it's not about what can get it done, it's about supporting the one people use and will change to fit the user
[09:33] <visual1ce> thx ruan and ohsix
[09:33] <ohsix> visual1ce: np
[09:33] <visual1ce> also, i don't think i have a firefox apparmor profile - isn't that a bit strange? i installed apparmor-profiles
[09:33] <ohsix> llutz_: if it were about getting things done most directly, driven by opinion; it would be practical to mention windows very often, but that isn't the point of this channel
[09:34] <llutz_> ohsix: nonsense
[09:34] <xwx> 。
[09:34] <xwx> 新手请教个问题
[09:34] <ohsix> visual1ce: i don't see one either; i'm on natty though, it's just not loaded
[09:34] <cynicaloptimist> Can anyone help me recover some space on my drive? I deleted files in my file manager (pcManFM) and that program doesn't have a recycle-bin. The files are gone, supposedly fully deleted, but it hasn't freed-up any space on my harddisk at all.
[09:34] <ohsix> visual1ce: aa-status will list the active & enforced profiles
[09:35] <jasonmchristos_> ohsix, What I meant to ask is after I save the cache how do i tell the live cd to install them?
[09:35] <ohsix> llutz_: if you've missed the point that much you might not proffer any advice and we'd all be better off
[09:35] <xwx> about irc
[09:36] <ohsix> jasonmchristos_: well you can copy them back and use dpkg -i, or copy them back and reproduce the steps you use to install the software the packages were fetched for
[09:36] <tsimpson> !cn | xwx
[09:36] <ohsix> jasonmchristos_: dpkg -i will be messy if there are a lot of packages, the latter is best
[09:37] <jasonmchristos_> well dpkg -i is what yum does after it fetches them correct? ohsix
[09:37] <ohsix> jasonmchristos_: if you use software-center it will automatically enable the universe repos and other things that'd need to be done if you did it the other way
[09:37] <ohsix> yum? rh
[09:38] <visual1ce> thx ohsix
[09:38] <visual1ce> bye again
[09:38] <ohsix> jasonmchristos_: apt you mean?
[09:38] <llutz_> ohsix: feel free to ignore me if you don't like my way of support or correct me if i'm wrong or breaking the guidelines
[09:38] <malvin> can some one help me..? because im a beginner and i have some big problems
[09:39] <xwx> oh thanks
[09:39] <ohsix> llutz_: i will correct you; why do you think i spoke up? telling someone to install other software when the default software will do as they ask is not a good idea
[09:40] <llutz_> ohsix: which i have done when?
[09:40] <pipo> guys, i want to modify grub: i d want to make it HIDDEN and also take off some lines of it
[09:40] <ohsix> llutz_: they might take it and run with it and tell other people to use less well supported software, that all comes back to people that support ubuntu when it goes wrong
[09:40] <Sik> Does anybody know why if Ubuntu installs correctly, then when I try to boot from hard disk the computer hangs at a blinking cursor?
[09:40] <pipo> as there are no lines at all in /etc/Default/grub, ,.... how can i do it?
[09:40] <ohsix> llutz_: you setup a strawman with ifupdown & /etc/networking, and you know it
[09:40] <pipo> (i mean no entries i could comment)
[09:41] <jasonmchristos_> ohsix, the point is i do not want to have to redownload them
[09:41] <pipo> (i d like to comment the memtest and the recovery modes, only leaving the windows 7 and the ubuntu present kernel)
[09:41] <ohsix> Sik: are you using an ati or nvidia card? the drivers installed might not do kms, or the login manager isn't able to restart
[09:41] <llutz_> ohsix: no its a well known way to configure things, with software being already installed. and now pls drop it
[09:41] <ohsix> jasonmchristos_: i know, i've done the same myself
[09:42] <Sik> ohsix: S3 Chrome
[09:42] <jasonmchristos_> ohsix, so i need to use dpkg -i ?
[09:42] <ohsix> llutz_: you're still reading past what i'm saying, there is a preferred and default tool for things to be done, if it's ubuntu-server you are right, but in practice it rarely is
[09:42] <Sik> In any case, ctrl+alt+del still reboots, so the BIOS interrupts are still in effect... which means it's failing EARLY
[09:42] <ohsix> jasonmchristos_: it's ugly, it's easier to copy the files to the cache, then just go through the motions installing the software again that used those packages, it will use them automatically
[09:42] <ohsix> Sik: that might be a real problem
[09:43] <ohsix> Sik: s3 devices are kind of a tough thing in linux
[09:43] <Sik> ohsix: any idea of what might be causing it? It literally hangs before it even boots :|
[09:43] <jasonmchristos_> ohsix, oh i see what you are saying now
[09:43] <ohsix> Sik: ok, do you get a grub menu to pick the boot label?
[09:44] <Sik> No
[09:44] <Sik> It's the only OS in the hard disk, if that helps
[09:44] <Sik> I made a clean install wiping everything on it
[09:44] <ohsix> hmm
[09:44] <ohsix> if you boot with a livecd can you mount the hard drive it installed to?
[09:44] <Sik> Yes
[09:45] <Sik> Mounted =P
[09:45] <ohsix> is /boot/grub there with all its files? also, what filesystem are you using for /
[09:45] <habanany> on ubuntu beta :)
[09:45] <Sik> Gimme a sec
[09:45] <Sik> OK, definitely /boot/grub has all its files
[09:46] <ohsix> habanany: chances are if you have a question you'll need to ask in #ubuntu+1
[09:46] <Sik> Also, whatever the minimal CD installer formats it to (ext2? ext4? lemme check)
[09:46] <habanany> smooth
[09:46] <n8w> ..
[09:46] <n8w> hey
[09:46] <habanany> love the sidebar
[09:46] <n8w> have u guys tried gnome 3 on ubuntu 10.10?
[09:46] <Sik> ohsix: ext4
[09:47] <ohsix> Sik: if you hold shift when it boots does it show a grub menu?
[09:47] <Sik> Um, will try that
[09:47] <Sik> BRB
[09:49] <jasonmchristos_> ohsix, when you use su to run as another user where does it store that bash_history? or does it?
[09:49] <jasonmchristos_> ohsix, when you use su to run bash as another user where does it store that bash_history? or does it?
[09:50] <shiftingcontrol> jasonmchristos:after logging in as su give cat ~/.bash_history ,it will reveal all the things which yu did as root
[09:50] <ohsix> jasonmchristos_: wherever $HOME is, if you use a login shell it should be changed to /root iirc, but if you don't it just appends it to the local one
[09:50] <shiftingcontrol> jasonmchristos:it stores in /root
[09:50] <ohsix> you can also do sudo echo $HOME
[09:51] <ohsix> or not, thats a fun one to quote
[09:51] <ohsix> sudo sh -c 'echo $HOME'
[09:52] <ohsix> i've got to get back to what i was doing before i saw such horrid advice being given here ;]
[09:52] <jiltdil> any channel for shell-script please tell ?
[09:52] <llutz_> jiltdil: #bash
[09:52] <ohsix> (if that is your shell)
[09:52] <jiltdil> llutz_:thanx
[09:52] <ohsix> the bash man page is quite huge and searchable as well
[09:53] <cynicaloptimist> Can anyone help me recover some space on my drive? I deleted files in my file manager (pcManFM) and that program doesn't have a recycle-bin. The files are gone, supposedly fully deleted, but it hasn't freed-up any space on my harddisk at all.
[09:53] <jasonmchristos_> i cant acess /root
[09:53] <jasonmchristos_> i su to ubuntu
[09:54] <jasonmchristos_> and the commands arent in the /home/ubuntu/.bash_history
[09:54] <ohsix> jasonmchristos_: they wont be until the shell exits
[09:54] <jasonmchristos_> i guess it doesnt store them in either when you su to another user
[09:54] <ohsix> until it does they're stored in memory
[09:54] <jasonmchristos_> oh oh ok exit the shell first
[09:54] <cynicaloptimist> Oh, ignore me. Stupid, stupid PcManFm. It did stick the files in the deleted files folder, just doesn't have any option for displaying that folder, or deleting it's contents pemanently. Sigh
[09:54] <ohsix> if they were written to the file immediately people could spy on commands as they were executed ;]
[09:55] <shiftingcontrol> jasonmchristos:/root/.bash_history where all root 's bash history lies
[09:56] <ohsix> that is to say, the file can't normally be read by anyone but the owner unless theres a severe cockup, but if a server were hacked it'd be salt in the wound
[09:57] <habanany> thanks ohsix
[09:57] <jasonmchristos_> ok so now can i just append .sh to the history and it will run all of the commands over again when i call it
[09:58] <ohsix> bbl
[09:58] <ohsix> jasonmchristos_: no, you need to add #!/bin/bash at the top
[09:58] <llutz_> jasonmchristos_: no need to append an extension
[09:58] <Sik> ohsix: tried what you told me to do, no GRUB menu (or anything for that matter)
[09:58] <ohsix> jasonmchristos_: not a great idea though; even if you edit stuff out, you should do a normal install to removable media or something
[09:58] <Sik> ohsix: also tried using doing it wiht the LiveCD and the LiveUSB, just to make sure I was doing it right (GRUB command line appears on those)
[09:59] <habanany> running on 11.04 smooth :)
[09:59] <Brwa> hi
[09:59] <Sonja> halp. my mouse disappeared.
[09:59] <r_a_ven> i might have reached the wrong room
[09:59] <Sonja> i have to resort to keyboard commands
[09:59] <ohsix> Sik: well, if it doesn't show grub theres a problem with it; i don't have the time at the moment to troubleshoot what, i _think_ that can happen when the bios map at install time for the drive is wrong
[10:00] <Brwa> is there a program like notepad++  ,supported with changing direction to RTL ?
[10:00] <ohsix> bbl!
[10:00] <jasonmchristos_> ok thanks for the help
[10:00] <Sik> So, does anybody here know how to get GRUB get a proper map of the partitions? >_>
[10:00] <Sonja> Brwa: i love notepad++!! i use gedit... thre´s lots of extensions to pimp it up
[10:00] <Sonja> ¨pimp my gedit´
[10:00] <ohsix> Brwa: there is gedit, and anything gtk supports ime's for rtl languages, and you can even switch it for ones that don't
[10:00] <Sonja> might want to check out Cream too
[10:00] <Brwa> i have tried Gedit
[10:01] <Sonja> i don´t like out of box gedit, but it´s easy to customize gedit for all the extra features you want in it.
[10:01] <Brwa> Gedit only support RLM not RTL
[10:01] <Sonja> if you browse the web for gedit addons
[10:01] <ohsix> Sik: i didn't intend for you to ask directly, merely to give you a lead; you'll probably need to google around :\ (people here are good at fixing small simple things, that sort of problem isn't)
[10:01] <Sonja> rtl = right to left? (arabic, hebrew, etc.) ?
[10:01] <Brwa> yes
[10:02] <ohsix> Brwa: right click and pick insert unicode control character
[10:02] <Sonja> brwa: vim is a much more mature linux text editor, but the learning curve is higher. check out Cream as a more accessible front-end for vi
[10:02] <Brwa> i know that but its not RTL
[10:02] <ohsix> ... it is
[10:02] <ohsix> after that entering text is going to need an IME
[10:02] <antonpiatek> Anyone heard of issues with dbus not starting in natty? My boot hangs because dbus appears not to have started
[10:03] <ruan> !natty
[10:03] <Sonja> i lost the mouse in natty
[10:03] <ohsix> so install arabic or whatever with the language options and use the ime
[10:03] <Sonja> Brwa:  is it for arabic or hebrew specifically?
[10:03] <Brwa> its for kurdish actually
[10:03] <Sonja> wow cool
[10:04] <Sonja> arabic script then, i guess. even if not arabic language.
[10:04] <Brwa> I'm Translating phpBB3 into kurdish ,so i need a program support RTL direction just like notepad++
[10:04] <Sonja> you might want to try asking in an arabic-language linux/ubuntu forum
[10:04] <Sonja> if you know arabic
[10:05] <Sonja> people who don´t use rtl languages everyday prolly don´t have the same needs you do
[10:05] <Brwa> thats right
[10:05] <Brwa> Im trying Cream ,let's see
[10:06] <Sonja> for all the advanced features in cream, you basically need to learn vi/vim
[10:07] <Sonja> but for the basic everyday stuff, cream adds a more modern layer with all the ¨modern´ keyboard shortcuts and user experience most people have come to expect
[10:07] <Sonja> vi/vim is oldskool :)
[10:08] <visual1ce> hi again
[10:08] <pipo> guys, i d like to comment the memtest and the recovery modes, only leaving the windows 7 and the ubuntu present kernel in the grub menu, but how?
[10:08] <jasonmchristos_> higen
[10:09] <llutz_> pipo: /etc/default/grub should have lines to change for that
[10:09] <visual1ce> anyone here running ff 4? the default apparmor profile does not allow /usr/lib/firefox-4.0/firefox.sh
[10:09] <llutz_> pipo: edit it and run "sudo update-grub" then
[10:13] <qwerty> hi there, how can i list packages thats depends on some package ?
[10:13] <jpds> qwerty: apt-cache rdepends <package>
[10:14] <qwerty> what about installed packages ?
[10:15] <Sean____> hello, I've tried ubuntu 11.4 and my mouse does not work on it.
[10:15] <Sean____> absolutely no response when using it
[10:15] <Sean____> tried using a corded mouse, same issue.
[10:15] <llutz_> !11.04 | Sean____
[10:15] <Sean____> thanks ubottu
[10:16] <pipo> llutz_, well, there are no entries in it,... so i can t comment them
[10:16] <pipo> llutz_, this file only has default options, can t see the menu entries as before
[10:16] <llutz_> pipo there is at least GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_RECOVERY="true"
[10:16] <qwerty> jpds, what about installed packages ?
[10:17] <pipo> llutz_, ok, but for the other kernels, memtest,etc?
[10:17] <mag1c> I am having yo trouble with RTL8111D, can anybody recommend a cheap nic that will work out of the box with all ubuntu versions?
[10:17] <llutz_> pipo: it also should contain a line with MEMTEST too
[10:18] <daniel_> I think he's indifferent ;)
[10:19] <llutz_> pipo: remove old kernels if you don't need them. you'd also try to use a custom grub-config file, there should be a sample in the wiki (i don't have www here atm, can't provide you with a link)
[10:19] <pipo> llutz_, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1502793.html
[10:19] <pipo> thank you
[10:20] <pipo> http://ubuntu-install.blogspot.com/2009/11/grub2-title-tweaks.html
[10:22] <Kevin1a> I realize it's not supported by Cannonical, but is there a medibuntu repository for 11.04b1 Natty Narwahl yet?
[10:22] <fatbrain_> hi, I have a file with paths to zip files, is there a way I could batch-unzip those into a folder using 7z? :S
[10:23] <pipo> http://ubuntu-install.blogspot.com/2009/11/grub2-title-tweaks.html  > llutz: this can t be real... so complicated! why did they do this!?
[10:23] <fatbrain> Kevin1a: what do you need medibuntu repo for? (curious)
[10:24] <mag1c> I am having yo trouble with RTL8111D, can anybody recommend a cheap nic that will work out of the box with all ubuntu versions?
[10:24] <llutz_> pipo: i don't know what grub2-dev smoke....
[10:24] <Kevin1a> @fatbrain win32codecs, I realize they aren't free, but I have some media from my pre linux days that is still encoded in restricted formats
[10:25] <loquace> Hello
[10:25] <pipo> llutz_, i succesfully removed the memtest executable  script and the recovery ones, this should leave one kernel, and windows vista (??????)   and windows seven
[10:25] <fatbrain> Kevin1a: like video and what not?
[10:26] <gedO> Hello
[10:26] <gedO> IS there any book which writes about Windows VS Ubuntu or Windows vs Linux
[10:26] <Kevin1a> fatbrain: mostly music, though there are probably some video files in there too, yes
[10:27] <Kevin1a> ged0: you will find the most up to date info on the web.  I recommend just running a search, books tend to be out of date by the time they are published
[10:27] <llutz_> pipo: doesnt W7 use 2 partitions (1 100mb + 1 real system-partition)? seems one is found/listed as vista. idk, i don't use it
[10:28] <fatbrain> Kevin1a: I use VLC for all my video/audio files. But that's just me :O
[10:30] <Kevin1a> fatbrain: it's great for video, I agree, but I prefer rythmbox for my music, though I'm contemplating giving amorok a try.  I don't want to clutter up the channel with chatter because it is a support channel, so if anyone can tell me if there is a Medibuntu repo for Natty, that would be very helpful
[10:31] <llutz_> Kevin1a: why don't you just check medibuntu.org?
[10:31] <catphish> i am having a problem where ssh appears to be trying to start before network initialization has finished
[10:32] <catphish> can anyone suggest why it would be doing that?
[10:32] <gedO> Kavinla: Thx, I will look for it
[10:32] <Kevin1a> llutz: I did.  There isn't anything listed, but since it's in beta, I wouldn't necessarily expect it to be listed on the frontpage.  Considering the release is only a little ways out, I assume there is something out there, I just need to know how to access it.
[10:35] <exclusive37> hi
[10:35] <llutz_> catphish: try to change /etc/init/ssh.conf: start on (filesystem and started network)
[10:35] <catphish> llutz_: i was just looking at that
[10:35] <catphish> thanks
[10:35] <exclusive37> anyone to help me pls
[10:36] <Kevin1a> ged0: Is there any particular aspect of comparability you are interested in?
[10:36] <llutz_> Kevin1a: btw: natty-support in #ubuntu+1, mabye ppl there know more
[10:37] <exclusive37> how can i hide window border on fx4?
[10:37] <Kevin1a> @llutz: thanks, I'll check over there, that's helpful
[10:38] <exclusive37> any ubuntu geeks help me?
[10:39] <Kevin1a> @exclusive37: State your question
[10:39] <epzil0n> what's your problem exclusive37?
[10:39] <exclusive37> on fx4 with 'tabs on top' feature i want to hide window border?
[10:40] <FloodBot2> !netsplit
[10:41] <chewy> guys, i m using 10.10 netbook remix. unity is cool! but where do i change themes and backgrounds?¿
[10:42] <epzil0n> @exclusive37, are you talking about compiz?
[10:42] <exclusive37> kevinla n epzilon, got my ques?
[10:42] <epzil0n> jepp exclusive37 but i'm not into compiz stuff.. sry
[10:42] <linusoleander> I'm trying to run a script, but get this error.
[10:42] <linusoleander> It works under OS X
[10:43] <linusoleander> usr/bin/env: ruby -w: No such file or directory
[10:43] <exclusive37> maybe i dont know.ijust dont wanna see window border on top fx4
[10:43] <linusoleander> Anyone knows what the problem may be?
[10:43] <Kevin1a> @exclusive I got it, what do you mean by window border?  Are you saying you want to lose the title bar?  Try toggling fullscreen with F11
[10:43] <llutz_> linusoleander: you have ruby installed?
[10:43] <epzil0n> exclusive37: ok, should not be that hard
[10:43] <exclusive37> window border occupies extra space on top of fx4
[10:43] <linusoleander> llutz_: Yes
[10:44] <exclusive37> so how?
[10:44] <Kevin1a> @exclusive hit the F11 key and tell me if it fixes your problem
[10:45] <linusoleander> Anyone got an idea?
[10:45] <foo-nix> I installed lucene-core.jar in /usr/share/java , but when I import stuff from org.apache.lucene.*  java wont find it. When I download the jar from the site and include it with the -cp option, it will. Why wont it find the package when it is installed using apt-get ?
[10:45] <catphish> what do those floodbots do?
[10:45] <Kevin1a> @catphish apparently nothing :D
[10:45] <iqpi> linusoleander: whats your problem?
[10:46] <catphish> are they just supposed to silence the join / split messages
[10:46] <epzil0n> catphish: prevent flooding maybe :P
[10:46] <exclusive37> thats ok but i wanna fix that settingson it
[10:46] <catphish> they fail :)
[10:46] <epzil0n> hehe
[10:46] <linusoleander> iqpi: I'm getting this error when trying to run a script that works under OS X.
[10:46] <linusoleander> usr/bin/env: ruby -w: No such file or directory
[10:47] <iqpi> linusoleander: put the / before usr
[10:47] <linusoleander> iqpi: My IRC removes the line when adding the slash :)
[10:47] <linusoleander> *IRC client
[10:47] <exclusive37> cscm window settings i ll try some modifications
[10:47] <Pumpkin-_> linusoleander: in that case, its almost certainly that you need to install ruby
[10:48] <linusoleander> iqpi: The slash exists in the file
[10:48] <catphish> linusoleander: maybe osx doesn't have /usr/bin/env
[10:48] <chalcedny> do i need to do something if i want to run znc on my ubuntu 10.04 box for other computers on my lan, either wired or wifi?
[10:48] <Kevin1a> @exculsive37, you mean have it start like that all the time?  I'm not sure if that's possible.  If you use a window decorator like Emerald, you can use a theme with really thin boarders.  If you know the max/min/close keyboard shortcuts, it'll save you a few pixels of space
[10:48] <iqpi> linusoleander: oh, then look if you have installed env, do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install env
[10:48] <linusoleander> Yes, i've installed Ruby, and it works in Os X
[10:48] <chewy> guys, anyone knows the keyboard shortcut for expo plugin in unity netbook remix?
[10:48] <catphish> hmm
[10:48] <catphish> that should work
[10:48] <chewy> and how do i change background and theme?
[10:49] <Filope> Hi !!! How can I install Java JRE 1.5 for Ubuntu Lucid?
[10:49] <Kevin1a> @exclusive37 which window decorator are you using, you should be able to see it in CCSM under "window decorations"
[10:49] <llutz_> chalcedny: just specify the port znc listens and create your user. configure your irc-clients accordingly
[10:49] <vlt_____1> Hello. I installed hugin on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS but when I start it I get a "memory access error" after closing the tip of the day popup. How to make it work?
[10:50] <exclusive37> compiz
[10:50] <exclusive37> i think
[10:50] <chalcedny> llutz_, mmm i set it up as 127.0.0.1/6697 - but now i need to connect to it from the laptop too.. and it won't.
[10:50] <llutz_> chalcedny: 127.0.0.1 is localhost just use "6667"
[10:51] <Filope> llutz_: !
[10:51] <chalcedny> llutz_, would that make a difference if the laptop knows it's ssl?
[10:52] <llutz_> chalcedny: to use ssl, you need to add a "+" in front of the port, like: Listener4    = +6667
[10:52] <exclusive37> thanx
[10:52] <alket> Hi, How do you submit a commercial gamte to Ubuntu Software Center ?
[10:52] <llutz_> chalcedny: and your irc-client has to be configured to use ssl
[10:52] <chalcedny> llutz_, hmmmmmmmmm then how come it works from the computer it's on?
[10:52] <chalcedny> xchat does do ssl you just tick the box
[10:52] <lzdzhy> what is  netbook remix
[10:52] <llutz_> chalcedny: are you sure it uses ssl?
[10:53] <chalcedny> llutz_, do i need to have it as 192.168.1.1 ?
[10:53] <llutz_> chalcedny: nop
[10:54] <llutz_> chalcedny: just specifying a port makes it listening on all devices
[10:54] <llutz_> chalcedny: killall -HUP znc after changing the config
[10:54] <chalcedny> llutz_, so maybe i need to edit it to have the + because that is the ssl port
[10:55] <chalcedny> llutz_, i was told i can /znc rehash
[10:55] <Filope> Hi !!! How can I install Java JRE 1.5 for Ubuntu Lucid?
[10:56] <Kevin1a> @exclusive37 the only solution I can offer you is to use a different window decorator within compiz to get a theme with very thin boarders.  I recommend emerald.  Once you add the packages and the theme you want, you'll have too replace the line in CCSM>>Window Decorations with "emerald --replace" or something like that.  It takes a little research and work, so if you go that route, I just recommend running a web search for instructions.  Shor
[10:56] <Kevin1a> t of that, you only have a month until 11.04 comes out, and unity moves the title bar into the taskbar at the top of the page.
[10:56] <llutz_> chalcedny: if you're already connected, yes
[10:57] <chalcedny> llutz_, i like how it works i just want to get my laptop connecting to it
[10:57] <llutz_> chalcedny: theres a configuration-howto in the wiki on znc.in
[10:57] <chalcedny> llutz_, ok thanks a lot!
[10:59] <Filope> llutz_:  only you can help me in that situation
[11:00] <llutz_> !info sun-java5-jre lucid
[11:00] <Filope> :'(
[11:01] <llutz_> Filope: you need to find a repo holding java5
[11:01] <linusoleander> If I start a deamon on a server and log out, will the deamon still be alive?
[11:01] <Filope> yes
[11:02] <llutz_> linusoleander: depends on the daemon and how you start it, usually: yes
[11:02] <BajK> Any ideas why Flash is constantly crashing in Chromium? Whenever I open a page that contains any flash element, "The following plugin crashed: Shockwafe Flash"
[11:02] <BajK> it works fine in FF and Chromium does this for a few days
[11:02] <linusoleander> llutz_:  I'll give it a try
[11:04] <ruan> flash works fine here
[11:04] <ruan> havent tested flash in chromium though, only java
[11:07] <Jenk> How do I delete all png files in a series of folders which are all contained in one folder ? Is there a command that I can use ?
[11:08] <tsimpson> Jenk: "find /some/folder -name '*.png' -exec rm {} +" will delete all .png files it finds under "/some/folder" and sub-directories
[11:08] <llutz_> Jenk: find dir/ -type f -iname *.png -exec rm {} +
[11:11] <Jenk> tsimpson, llutz_ Thanks a million ! That solved it ! Where do I learn these skills ?
[11:11] <tsimpson> experience (and "man find") ;)
[11:13] <Jenk> tsimpson, :) I thought that needed some bash skills...
[11:13] <ruan> bash is awesome
[11:13] <tsimpson> you probably could do it in pure bash script, but why bother if you have "find"
[11:13] <llutz_> ruan: so you never used zsh :)
[11:14] <Jenk> tsimpson, I'll keep that in mind !
[11:15] <llutz_> Jenk: imho there are a few tools one definetly should know: find, grep, awk, sed
[11:15] <Traineesysadmin> hey guys im using ubuntu server edition with no gui, im using the VI text editor but it doesnt function right? insert is all wrong and i can some times not delete and it types differant letters some times? its wierd
[11:16] <Jenk> llutz_, K, and all you use to learn them are the manual pages ?
[11:16] <Pumpkin-_> Traineesysadmin: do you know how to use vi, and you know it isn't working right. Or do you not know how to use vi ?
[11:16] <llutz_> Jenk: as a start. google for more advanced use ;)
[11:16] <Traineesysadmin> Pumpkin-_: i assume i know how to use it
[11:17] <Jenk> llutz_, Allright ! =]
[11:22] <asadeddin> hey all... I m having trouble connecting my desktop machine to the internet. I m at the office, and all the computers are able to connect to the intenet, so is my other ubuntu machine
[11:23] <asadeddin> my machine can see the network and can browse it, but it can't actually surf the net
[11:23] <asadeddin> any help?
[11:23] <ruan> asadeddin: have you tried wicd?
[11:23] <asadeddin> wicd? isnt that for wireless?
[11:23] <asadeddin> i m desktoping it
[11:23] <ruan> !info wicd
[11:23] <ruan> w & wl
[11:24] <asadeddin> so wicd may solve the problem?
[11:24] <asadeddin> the thing i dont udnerstand why i have to use wicd, because it's clearly an issue with settings
[11:24] <ruan> its possible
[11:24] <ruan> i mean its just worth a try
[11:25] <asadeddin> i can even host www.google.com
[11:25] <asadeddin> but it doesnt ping
[11:25] <ruan> hmm
[11:25] <asadeddin> any ideas? i tried looking at firefox settings but they're all good. my IP and DNS settigns seem to be right
[11:26] <asadeddin> i even checked if the ethernet cable was bust, but it worked on my Ubuntu laptop
[11:26] <asadeddin> i dont thnik it's the router
[11:26] <Pumpkin-> asadeddin: smells a lot like a lack of default route. Checked for that ?
[11:26] <asadeddin> default DNS?
[11:26] <asadeddin> default route
[11:27] <asadeddin> it matches the one on my ubuntu laptop
[11:27] <asadeddin> this is what is annoying
[11:27] <thevishy> how do I remove softwares I dont need
[11:27] <ruan> thevishy: what don't you need? it's a user decision
[11:27] <Pumpkin-> asadeddin: does "netstat -nr" have a line that starts 0.0.0.0 ?
[11:27] <rigved> thevishy: sudo apt-get autoremove  <--- handle with care. you have been warned
[11:28] <thevishy> I mean so I need to do each software manually ?
[11:28] <thevishy> Is there a way to select some 10 packages and remove it
[11:28] <ruan> thevishy: with synaptic
[11:28] <ruan> thevishy: yes
[11:28] <asadeddin> yeah
[11:28] <thevishy> right synaptic
[11:28] <asadeddin> destination 0.0.0.0 is the last one
[11:28] <thevishy> What about removing this Kubuntu-desktop thing
[11:28] <thevishy> I know its a meta package , now I need to remove everything
[11:29] <ruan> thevishy: remove a core kde lib and then autoremove
[11:29] <thevishy> how do I remove a core kde lib ?
[11:29] <Pumpkin-> asadeddin: can you ping the gateway address for that (from both the faulty machine and a working one) ?
[11:29] <ruan> libqt4-script for example
[11:29] <ruan> thevishy: wait..
[11:29] <ndxtg> ls -l gives this results "drwxrws---   7 22168   sgc  512 Apr  3 10:13 sgc.git" <---- does anyone know what "s" stands for in the permission?
[11:29] <ruan> thevishy: search 'KDE' in synaptic
[11:29] <ruan> thevishy: then select all and remove/purge
[11:30] <asadeddin> yeah can ping
[11:30] <asadeddin> from the broken one
[11:30] <thevishy> right thanks
[11:30] <alex88> ndxtg: http://www.zzee.com/solutions/unix-permissions.shtml section 6.2
[11:31] <thevishy> ruan, i Hope it oesnt end me witha  bothched gnome menu ?
[11:31] <asadeddin> what do u mean by gateway address? Default route?
[11:31] <ohsix> derp
[11:31] <ohsix> ndxtg: sticky
[11:32] <ohsix> ndxtg: nevermind, sticky is t, thats sgid, which has special meaning for directories (but i don't remember what they are)
[11:33] <ohsix> ndxtg: theres a rundown on them in "man chmod"
[11:33] <toto> hi guys,
[11:34] <ljsoftnet> hello toto
[11:34] <alex88> ndxtg: if someone will run it, it will be run as the group that owns the file
[11:34] <ruan> thevishy: gnome doesn't need kde libs
[11:34] <thevishy> I mean the Menu
[11:34] <ruan> thevishy: my menu works after removing kde
[11:34] <ndxtg> thanks alex88
[11:34] <thevishy> Menu works but would it still display the kde apps
[11:34] <ruan> thevishy: no
[11:34] <thevishy> thanks
[11:34] <ruan> thevishy: if its removed properly, it will disappear from menu
[11:34] <ruan> thevishy: besides, there's always the main menu editor
[11:34] <thevishy> yes
[11:34] <toto> i am trying to set wifi for a user, without him to be able to see the password
[11:34] <thevishy> in synaptic what should I chose ruan
[11:34] <ruan> thevishy: kde libs
[11:34] <thevishy> I searched for kde and lists lot of things
[11:34] <ruan> thevishy: anything with kde in the name, sort by installed
[11:34] <alex88> asadeddin: what's the problem?
[11:34] <toto> i am trying to set wifi for a user, without him to be able to see the password
[11:34] <thevishy> is there a single package I can remove
[11:34] <ndxtg> ohsix: got it, np ty :D
[11:35] <Guest91648> cause right clicking on properties, one gets the password, and i don t want the user to see it. just use THIS computer with wifi connection
[11:35] <ruan> Guest91648: add it to system connections. someone described it earlier
[11:35] <ohsix> that was me
[11:35] <ljsoftnet> Guest91648 i dont think users who wants to connect to your router, can see the password
[11:35] <alex88> ndxtg: was that linkcorrect?
[11:36] <ohsix> Guest91648: click on the checkbox at the bottom, "Available to all users"
[11:36] <ndxtg> alex88: yea, but i didnt understand the article so... better live it there, I guess my git repo problem is not caused by that
[11:36] <thevishy> I installed this beautiful Macubuntu theme
[11:36] <alex88> ndxtg: don't think so
[11:36] <JohnHeikkila> Heyy, if I want to install Ubuntu (11) on an external HDD, but keep the data that are inside still available, do I just install it from a live-cd and modify some partitions?
[11:36] <ohsix> Guest91648: admittedly the things i mentioned are all side effects of a checkbox that doesn't seem like it would do that; but that's what it does :D (it also makes it available to everyone, and will bring up the connection before login, since the information to connect need not be in the user keyring)
[11:37] <Guest91648> ohsix, i don t get your point
[11:37] <ohsix> i wasn't making a point
[11:37] <ohsix> i was alliterating about what i said earlier
[11:37] <alex88> JohnHeikkila: yup, resize the old one and install in other..
[11:37] <Bartzy> rsync  -avzhR --del --no-r --dirs /home/user/* rsync://remote_server/root
[11:37] <Bartzy> This rsync command gives me "no such file or directory", /home/user/ is indeed empty. But why it gives me that error and not just exit ?
[11:38] <JohnHeikkila> alex88: Okay. What if later on, I want to delete Ubuntu from it? Will I be facing trouble deleting it?
[11:38] <Guest91648> ohsix, i did it
[11:38] <Guest91648> you mean it s OK now?
[11:38] <Guest91648> let me try (log out) and log in as a new user :)
[11:38] <ohsix> Bartzy: try ls /home/user/*, the shell expands it to nothing, and rsync has no way of knowing that, to rsync it looks like you passed "--dirs rsync://rem..."
[11:39] <alex88> JohnHeikkila: nope..you can just restart with live-cd, delete ubuntu partition and then resize the old one to full hdd
[11:39] <lvh> Hi!
[11:39] <JohnHeikkila> alex88: Okay, thanks.
[11:39] <alex88> JohnHeikkila: np :)
[11:39] <Bartzy> ohsix: So I need to use /home/user/ instead ?
[11:39] <lvh> Is there something available in Ubuntu 10.10 that has working MSN webcam support?
[11:39] <JohnHeikkila> alex88: BTW, is there some sort of problem with Startup disk creator, for i can't format a USB stick with it O.o
[11:40] <ohsix> Bartzy: well, with "--no-r" it isn't going to do much given a directory
[11:40] <ljsoftnet> lvh you dont like skype or google talk?
[11:40] <mrstocks> hello, i just realised i got my partioning wrong, my /boot is 10mo not 100mo, can i resize it effortly?
[11:40] <zhangchao> ?
[11:40] <alex88> JohnHeikkila: try unetbootin
[11:40] <JohnHeikkila> okay
[11:40] <zhangchao>  有人吗，
[11:40] <zhangchao> 新手，
[11:40] <zhangchao> 我是
[11:40] <FloodBot2> zhangchao: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:40] <ohsix> JohnHeikkila: it needs to be able to unmount it first, if you tell it to format the drive it will do that for you
[11:40] <fi8er1> !register
[11:41] <ohsix> !cn | zhangchao
[11:41] <zhangchao> 这个怎么用，是什么意思
[11:41] <itali-chan> lol zhangchao  xD
[11:41] <itali-chan> te estas burlando de nosotros xd?
[11:41] <xqvp43> ubottu
[11:41] <Traineesysadmin> how can i change my screen res to 1024x768 on ubuntu server edition (no gui)
[11:42] <zhangchao> what
[11:42] <ruan> changing res in console?
[11:42] <ruan> !cn
[11:42] <Traineesysadmin> yea
[11:42] <zhangchao> my god
[11:42] <xqvp43> zhangchao, 你输入 /join #ubuntu-cn
[11:42] <Bartzy> ohsix: Why ?
[11:42] <ohsix> Traineesysadmin: you can set a resolution on the kernel command line, theres also a command to do it while its running; but i forget the name, if all you want is more lines you can use the console tools to set the number of rows and forget about video modes, you can also change the font if you want more still
[11:42] <kmieciu> hej
[11:42] <ohsix> Bartzy: it's in the manual
[11:42] <Traineesysadmin> ohsix: thanks
[11:43] <Bartzy> ohsix: --no-r is just don't send relative paths
[11:43] <paddi23> hi all
[11:43] <kmieciu> mozektos podac palska strone linux ubuntu?
[11:43] <lvh> ljsoftnet: I use those and like those, but I'm trying to get *MSN* support specifically working now
[11:44] <paddi23> I am looking for a channel, that copes with comparing different notebook models. Is there something like that?
[11:44] <ohsix> Bartzy: that would be --no-R
[11:44] <ruan> there is ##hardware for hardware discussion
[11:44] <alex88> paddi23: never heard about that..
[11:44] <ohsix> Bartzy: little r with abbreviation is recursion
[11:44] <ljsoftnet> lvh sorry i dont know any, maybe someone migth know
[11:44] <MaRk-I> lvh:  aMSN or emesene
[11:45] <Bartzy> ohsix: Oh. So giving rsync a directory won't copy only the files under that directory ?
[11:45] <ohsix> Bartzy: not as you wrote it, no
[11:45] <rileyp> am i visible
[11:45] <paddi23> alex88, ok. I just need a notebook comparable to the lenovo x301 which is not being produced, any longer.
[11:45] <ljsoftnet> paddi23 try this website www.notebookcheck.net
[11:46] <ohsix> lvh: you'll have to use a speciality client for that i think, telepathy might do it though
[11:46] <Bartzy> ohsix: But I don't want it with -r...
[11:46] <ohsix> Bartzy: then make your file list with find, rsync can accept lists from stdin
[11:47] <lvh> MaRk-I: aMSN doesn't actually work with the latest version of Windows Messenger or Live messenger or whatever it's called these days
[11:47] <Bartzy> ohsix: Really ? rsync can't just accept a directory and only copy its direct files ?
[11:48] <ohsix> Bartzy: it probably can be convinced to; but find is really the proper tool to do it
[11:48] <ohsix> Bartzy: as a bonus, empty output from find will have rsync just exit with nothing to do
[11:49] <MaRk-I> lvh:  then no idea i dont use msn for video... maybe pidgin is working now
[11:49] <bourne> hey i m using mysql query browser....how to connect to to Mysql server??
[11:49] <ohsix> lvh: supporting it is problematic since stuff breaks like every other day :[ though as of late i don't know why there isn't support in the various messengers
[11:50] <Bartzy> ohsix: find /home/user/ -type f -maxdepth 1 | rsync ....... ?
[11:50] <paddi23> ljsoftnet, thank you
[11:50] <ohsix> lvh: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/MSNAudioVideo info on it in telapathy, they really want that stuff to work there so that's where i'd keep my attention
[11:50] <ljsoftnet> paddi23 your welcome
[11:50] <lvh> ohsix: thanks
[11:51] <dr3mro> is there an open source project needs help in python |:)
[11:51] <ohsix> lvh: its threadbare but at least shows who you could ask
[11:53] <ohsix> lvh: it looks like progress on farsight will land in pidgin too; so they'll both end up working when it works there
[11:54] <ohsix> lvh: if you can live with google talk or xmpp(jabber) the protocols for video are wide open and work almost universally
[11:54] <ohsix> google talk is jabber so they get to cheat ;]
[11:54] <mylisto> I'm trying to find out how to copy some of my pictures from a chip to my laptop..
[11:55] <ohsix> lvh: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/vv this page says something for msn video has been released in farsight
[11:55] <mylisto> most of the move  except for one folder...I'm getting "Error splicing file: Input/output error"
[11:56] <ohsix> lvh: but the page on their wiki is blank/doesn't exist, seems like the definitive way of figuring out if it works is to try empathy or pidgin with msn
[11:57] <ohsix> (empathy  is the thing that comes with ubuntu and powers the chat in that little mail widget in the notification area)
[11:58] <hipitihop> I'm occasionally seeing  a mission control segfault, What's mission control ? kernel: [451205.225631] mission-control[1420]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000431ee6 sp 00007fff7880be30 error 4 in mission-control-5[400000+4d000]
[11:58] <ohsix> hipitihop: its part of telepathy/empathy; the messenger for ubuntu, oddly enough i was just talking about it :]
[11:58] <sacarlson> hipitihop: what application do you run to get that?
[11:59] <ohsix> hipitihop: for future reference, dpkg -S can search packages for things, so you can find out what owns something
[11:59] <ohsix> for example: telepathy-mission-control-5: /usr/lib/telepathy/mission-control-5
[11:59] <hipitihop> ohsix, thanks
[11:59] <Bartzy> ohsix ? :)
[11:59] <rodhash> Hi guys.. After my ubuntu starts to use SWAP it becomes little slow.. is there any way to improve the performance? Sometimes the SWAP has just 100MB (2GB RAM).. and my ubuntu works slow..
[12:00] <hipitihop> sacarlson, meaning ? this was in /var/log/syslog
[12:00] <hipitihop> sacarlson, or do you want to know what alerted me
[12:01] <sagaci> how do I go about increasing the lines scrolled when I scroll with the middle mouse wheel
[12:01] <hipitihop> ohsix, so should I be reporting that segfault ?
[12:01] <bourne> help me guys
[12:01] <sacarlson> hipitihop: with segfault I would assume you were running something that crashed and you would see it
[12:01] <ohsix> Bartzy: well convention is - is stdin when given as a file, but i dont see --files-from= accepting it directly in the manual, i'll have to look and see if it does
[12:01] <hipitihop> sacarlson, nope, no ui indication that something has failed in this case
[12:01] <ohsix> hipitihop: if you want to report crashes you can enable apport in /etc/default/apport, then it'll pop up when it does crash
[12:02] <ohsix> i think mission control crashing is harmless though
[12:02] <ohsix> it'll just get restarted
[12:02] <mr_boo_ltp> rodhash: how big is your swap partition?
[12:02] <ohsix> Bartzy: doh my eyes, yes it says - will read from stdin with --files-from
[12:03] <Nijabo> Odd problem - I installed Ubuntu 11.04 on a partition, but it can't find my wifi network. It finds other networks in the building but not mine, and I can find my netowk without a hitch on my Windows sytem.
[12:03] <hipitihop> sacarlson, I'm actually running HIDS, it alerted me
[12:04] <Kartagis> !find nslookup
[12:04] <JohnHeikkila> alex88: Thanks for the help, earlier. Apparently ohsix was right, I had to un-mount it, lol (didn't remember the command xD)
[12:04] <alex88> JohnHeikkila: np :) glad to help
[12:04]  * JohnHeikkila thinks: Karma +1
[12:04] <ohsix> Nijabo: natty support is in #ubuntu+1
[12:05] <Nijabo> ah
[12:05] <ohsix> JohnHeikkila: unless you mounted it by hand usb-creator will unmount it when you try and format it
[12:05] <JohnHeikkila> ohsix: Nah, just plugged it in and had kubuntu 9.10 installed on it, earlier
[12:06] <ohsix> JohnHeikkila: right it's an automount, then usb-creator would have been able to unmount it for formatting ;]
[12:06] <Bartzy> ohsix: Not working: find /tmp/src/ -maxdepth 1 -type f | rsync --files-from=- /tmp/dst
[12:07] <ohsix> Bartzy: with files-from i think it expects more than just the source
[12:07] <ohsix> so add | paste "dest" in the middle :D
[12:07] <Kartagis> how can I force removal of a package?
[12:07] <JohnHeikkila> ohsix: Well, yeah. Just umounted sdd1 and I was able to start startup disk creator
[12:08] <Bartzy> ohsix: Got it: find /tmp/src/ -maxdepth 1 -type f | rsync --no-R --files-from=- / /tmp/dst
[12:08] <ohsix> Bartzy: hm it's not paste
[12:08] <ohsix> Bartzy: ok nice
[12:08] <Bartzy> ohsix: Thanks a lot. really weird that it cannot be done with simple rsync...
[12:08] <paisano> morning
[12:08] <ohsix> Bartzy: it probably can, like i said; it's just easier/cleaner to use find, especially since you can do things like limit the depth
[12:09] <rakshasa> can somebody help me with this
[12:09] <JohnHeikkila> rakshasa: What's up?
[12:09] <rakshasa> usb pendrive doesnot show up in fdisk -l
[12:09] <rakshasa> but shows up in lsusb
[12:09] <rakshasa> sg_modes /dev/sg1      USBest    USB2FlashStorage  0.00   peripheral_type: disk [0x0] device not ready
[12:09] <alex88> Kartagis: what does apt-get purge packagename says?
[12:09] <ohsix> rakshasa: look at dmesg after you plug it in
[12:10] <rakshasa> dmesg*
[12:10] <Kartagis> alex88: Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:10] <Kartagis>  dovecot-postfix
[12:10] <Kartagis> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:11] <alex88> Kartagis: tried dpkg -a
[12:12] <rakshasa> scsi6 : usb-storage 1-7:1.0 [26636.429372] scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access     USBest   USB2FlashStorage 0.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 [26636.431709] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0 [26636.433604] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
[12:12] <_drag0nz> i need some help, how can i change the address for the sourcelists ?
[12:12] <cyoz> hello, there's an option for a windows installer there on the ubuntu site.. does this install ubuntu "for real" or just within windows?
[12:12] <FloodBot2> !netsplit
[12:12] <erUSUL> dr3mro: aqplications>ubuntu software center. Edit>software Sources
[12:12] <cyoz> great
[12:12] <cyoz> netsplit ate my comment
[12:12] <cyoz> :/
[12:12] <erUSUL> !wubi | cyoz
[12:13] <_drag0nz> hey guys, i need some help, how can i change the address for the sourcelists ?
[12:13] <_drag0nz> from a swiss one to another one?
[12:13] <sacarlson> hipitihop: I guess it's this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control/+bug/119557
[12:13] <cyoz> erUSUL, so I couldn't boot it, right?
[12:14] <Kartagis> alex88: dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq [!] dovecot-postfix
[12:14] <Kartagis> dpkg: need an action option
[12:14] <erUSUL> cyoz: you can boot into it yes.
[12:14] <Duderino> Hello i installed a load of packages after resetting my ubuntu installation. Now the display shows a weird error after booting: http://www.bilderload.com/bild/99589/bildHK7ZX.jpg has anybody seen this before? is it the video drivers? how can i fix it? command line is working on tty1
[12:14] <erUSUL> _drag0nz: already told you
[12:14] <JohnHeikkila> _drag0nz: You can open System|Administration|Software Sources, then pres "other"
[12:14] <trancegeek> can anyone tell me what the bar is on the bottom of this screen? http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/136789-1.jpg
[12:14] <_drag0nz> this is server not desktop
[12:14] <trancegeek> like what application
[12:14] <_drag0nz> erUSUL, when did you tell me?
[12:14] <cyoz> erUSUL, excuse all the noob questions... so is there any downside as opposed to installing ubuntu from say an usb stick / dvd?
[12:15] <erUSUL> _drag0nz: sorry tab completion error aqplications>ubuntu software center. Edit>software Sources
[12:15] <erUSUL> cyoz: wubi installs ubuntu in a disk image file inside windows. personally i d not like it
[12:15] <alex88> Kartagis: dpkg --force-remove -P dovecot-postfix
[12:15] <Duderino> how can i check if my video drivers are working?
[12:15] <ndxtg> noob question here, I installed vim but when in Insert mode, I press left arrow key and it behaves like insert a new line with D (exactly like how vi works). How to fix? I dont want vi, I want vim.
[12:16] <erUSUL> _drag0nz: but if you are in a server with no gui you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand
[12:16] <ohsix> cyoz: wubi installs ubunto to a loopback file on ntfs, it works, and can be preferable if you don't want to shrink/move partitions on a disk, but theres some overhead cuz there are 2 filesystems involved while its running
[12:16] <_drag0nz> erUSUL, yeah i know, but where can i get the new address to replace what i have now?
[12:16] <cyoz> I see
[12:16] <cyoz> I'll try the usb-stick again then
[12:16] <ohsix> ndxtg: did you invoke it as vim or vi?
[12:16] <Kartagis> alex88: still this: Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:16] <Kartagis>  dovecot-postfix
[12:17] <erUSUL> _drag0nz: you just put another country prefix instead of the one you have now or just remove the country prefix to use the main repos
[12:17] <_drag0nz> erUSUL, so replace this http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ with this http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ ?
[12:17] <thevishy> ruan, once again in synaptic I am seeing a bunch of kde items
[12:18] <coz_>  good day all
[12:18] <erUSUL> _drag0nz: yes; that would work or use de or it or fr
[12:18] <thevishy> which one to remove specificially
[12:18] <thevishy> same coz_
[12:18] <coz_> thevishy,  hey guy thanks
[12:19] <mhdpiero> hi
[12:19] <ohsix> thevishy: you can uninstall the virtual; then all the stuff that wasn't manually installed will be removed
[12:19] <Duderino> what is an easy to use package manager for the shell?
[12:19] <alex88> Kartagis: can you pastebin the full output?
[12:19] <thevishy> virtual ?
[12:19] <ohsix> Duderino: they're all easy; but the real question, and the answer to it is probably aptitude
[12:20] <thevishy> how is virtual related to kde ohsix
[12:20] <Duderino> ty
[12:20] <ohsix> thevishy: the packages wouldn't be on there if not for the virtual (kubuntu-desktop)
[12:20] <_drag0nz> erUSUL, cool that worked
[12:20] <_drag0nz> so far atleast its updating
[12:20] <thevishy> so can I remove kubuntu-desktop ?
[12:20] <_drag0nz> i wonder why the ch doesnt work
[12:20] <_drag0nz> mayb it doesnt support ipv6 or something
[12:21] <mhdpiero> can you help me for add desktop gadget to backtrack 4 kde desktop?
[12:21] <thevishy> i thought meta packages like kubuntu-desktop only removes the kunbutu-desktop package and not the underlying ones - so I was told
[12:21] <thevishy> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop woul not remove my KDE I guess
[12:21] <Duderino> which problem could cause this: http://www.bilderload.com/bild/99589/bildHK7ZX.jpg during startup?
[12:22] <Duderino> shell is working fine
[12:22] <ohsix> thevishy: well removing it doesn't remove the underlying ones, it just takes away the reason all those packages are installed, so autoremove will remove them
[12:22] <Logan_> mhdpiero: /join #backtrack-linux for BackTrack Linux support, please
[12:22] <ohsix> Duderino: ati or nvidia?
[12:22] <coz_> thevishy,    sudo apt-get remove akonadi-server akregator amarok amarok-common amarok-utils apport-kde apturl-kde ark bluedevil cdparanoia cdrdao docbook-xsl docbook-xsl-doc-html dolphin dragonplayer gdebi-core gdebi-kde gnupg-agent gnupg2 gtk2-engines-qtcurve gwenview hal hal-info ibus-qt4 icoutils jockey-kde k3b k3b-data kaddressbook kamera kate kcalc kde-config-gtk kde-config-touchpad kde-window-manager kde-zeroconf kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdeba
[12:22] <coz_> se-runtime kdebase-runtime-data kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins kdegraphics-libs-data kdegraphics-strigi-plugins kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-groupware kdepim-kresources kdepim-runtime kdepim-strigi-plugins kdepim-wizards kdepimlibs-kio-plugins kdesudo kdm kdoctools kfind khelpcenter4 kinfocenter klipper kmag kmail kmix k
[12:22] <FloodBot1> coz_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:22] <thevishy> so how to autoremove then ohsix
[12:22] <Duderino> ati
[12:22] <Kartagis> alex88: http://pastebin.com/82ZyAfU0
[12:22] <Duderino> ohsix: ati
[12:22] <thevishy> ok thanks coz
[12:22] <Duderino> ohsix: hd3850
[12:23] <ohsix> thevishy: it should be done automatically, but you can do it yourself with apt-get autoremove after purging kubuntu-desktop
[12:23] <coz_> apologies all,,, that was a slip up
[12:23] <thevishy> can I usse it ?
[12:23] <ohsix> Duderino: well, it's the kms portion, what driver are you using?
[12:23] <Duderino> ohsix. i dont know really, how can i check this?
[12:23] <alex88> Kartagis: have you tried to solve that /etc/postfix/main.cf problem?
[12:23] <thevishy> ah so ...the commands like sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop and sudo apt-get autoremove would do the trick for me ?
[12:24] <ohsix> Duderino: do you recall using the "Additional drivers" applet to install anything?
[12:24] <ohsix> thevishy: it should
[12:24] <ohsix> thevishy: make sure ubuntu-desktop or something else is installed before you do it
[12:24] <thevishy> it is
[12:25] <Duderino> ohsix: i reinstalled my system and used http://www.arsgeek.com/2006/09/19/ubuntu-tricks-how-to-generate-a-list-of-installed-packages-and-use-it-to-reinstall-packages/ this method to regain my apps. Therefore i have installed a lot of apps, but i cant really say which ones
[12:25] <ohsix> just had to be said ;]
[12:25] <thevishy> o I have to make my desktop manager GDM from KDM , or does apt-get remove take care of that
[12:25] <mylisto> I'm trying to figure out how to transfer images from my chip to my laptop...
[12:25] <mhdpiero> logan:I went but no body in it I hear backtrack4 desktop similler ubuntu please help me
[12:25] <mylisto> I'm getting a "Error splicing file: Input/output error"
[12:25] <thevishy> mylisto, what Chip ?
[12:26] <thevishy> is  that a USB stick you are refering to
[12:26] <mylisto> not a usb...
[12:26] <ohsix> thevishy: i'm not sure, but they do things so systems don't break; do i assume update-alternatives or something is used to switch between login managers, and it'll get a default when packages are changed
[12:26] <mylisto> microsd
[12:26] <thevishy> it does all that ohsix but just a thought
[12:27] <ohsix> right
[12:27] <mylisto> thevishy: its a microsd...
[12:27] <Duderino> what is the normal ati-graphics package to install?
[12:28] <ouyes> hi I can not open ibus , I set the short key ctrl + space, but I press both then nothing happens
[12:28] <ohsix> Duderino: i don't know personally
[12:29] <Kartagis> alex88: that's not my concern right now
[12:29] <ohsix> Duderino: theres fglrx and the "radeonhd" and "radeon" drivers; though their selection should be automatic, you probably want the fglrx drivers, at least until your device is better supported by the others, and kms might not work with them
[12:29] <alex88> Kartagis: it would solve the problem
[12:29] <thevishy> so mylisto how do you connect the microsd ... is it using a USB ?
[12:31] <mylisto> thevishy: no, I slip it into the onboard card reader
[12:31] <Duderino> ohsix: xserver-xorg-video-ati is installed at the moment, fglrx aswell. is there any command to view the actual graphcs settings?
[12:31] <thevishy> right
[12:32] <ohsix> Duderino: well theres glxinfo which will give you a good indication of what the driver actually is without having to dig through logs
[12:32] <Duderino> ohsix: error unable to open display
[12:32] <ohsix> are you logged into a desktop session? it needs to talk to the X server
[12:32] <thevishy> mylisto, any idea if its working with other OS ? could it be a problem with a non working microsd
[12:32] <gnugr> !fglrx
[12:33] <mylisto> thevishy: I can access it and see some pictures...
[12:33] <mylisto> I think its a permission issue, but I'm not quite sure
[12:33] <sl33k_> what is the shortcut to take screenshot in ubuntu?
[12:34] <ouyes> I am such a fool, just follow the software pop up tips, you will get the ibus work
[12:34] <ohsix> bbl
[12:34] <MaRk-I> sl33k_: printscreen key
[12:34] <ohsix> sl33k_: printscreen
[12:35] <magpiie> can someone tell me the correct command line to use for resetting my toolbars? when i minimize a window, it doesnt appear on my bottom bar
[12:35] <ohsix> !resetpanels | magpiie
[12:36] <socram_> after locking my desktop for two days, im now having high IOwait.. how can i know what's causing it?
[12:36] <ohsix> socram_: you can look for programs waiting in io in top
[12:36] <ohsix> socram_: or use iotop and see directly what programs are doing with the disk
[12:36] <ohsix> top can be convinced to show wchan so you can even see where a program is sleeping
[12:37] <magpiie> ubottu thanks, was doing my nut in not being able to see the windows
[12:37] <MaRk-I> wow
[12:37] <Pici> !netsplit
[12:38] <ohsix> i wish the freenode guys would just disconnect servers getting ddos instead of letting this crap go on and on
[12:38] <soreau> ohsix: Ans we wish you would complain in the appropriate channel
[12:39] <magpiie> so its not just me thats seeing everyone disconnect at the same time then
[12:39] <ohsix> soreau: pardon me when theres nobody to read what i'm saying, particularly the people i was talking to
[12:39] <iro> ello
[12:39] <magpiie> hi
[12:39] <coz_> magpiie,  no it was most likely a net split
[12:39] <ikonia> ohsix: #freenode is the correct place to discuss it, please.
[12:39] <maniek> o lol
[12:39] <iro> maniek nie spamuj\
[12:39] <magpiie> net split?
[12:40] <maniek> i like cumshot on the face
[12:40] <ikonia> magpiie: don't worry about it
[12:40] <ikonia> magpiie: that topic is NOT apporpriate in this channel
[12:40] <ohsix> ikonia: no discussion
[12:40] <ikonia> !guidelines | magpiie
[12:40] <maniek> five minutes ago i will rape little child.
[12:40] <maniek> and eat them.
[12:40] <axscode> how to upgrade a specific apps?
[12:40] <ohsix> ikonia: you guys turn one statement into 15 lines ogff garbage
[12:40] <maniek> i like it.
[12:40] <ikonia> ohsix: ok "comments" on it, please
[12:40] <mylisto> god, stupid floods
[12:40] <ohsix> noted
[12:40] <coz_> magpiie,  one of the servers probably , temporarily, went down
[12:40] <jrib> axscode: sudo apt-get install PACKAGE
[12:40] <magpiie> dont need me to look at guidlines, i was only responding to someone on this channel
[12:40] <ikonia> ohsix: thanks, appreciated
[12:41] <magpiie> a simple question
[12:41] <ikonia> magpiie: the the guide lines where for maniek sorry
[12:41] <markskilbeck> magpiie: you've got to be careful in this totalitarian environment.
[12:41] <ikonia> magpiie: totally my fault, apologies
[12:41] <The_End> hey
[12:41] <magpiie> coz cheers, i have recently jumped onboard the ubuntu train and tech speek is still a bit over my head lol
[12:41] <markskilbeck> Salut¬!
[12:42] <magpiie> ikonia no worries
[12:42] <ohsix> markskilbeck: it's not totalitarian, and there is a topic
[12:42] <Logan_> markskilbeck: completely unnecessary; please do not antagonize
[12:42] <Duderino> ohsix: Thank you. Got it working with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver#Problem:%20%20Need%20to%20fully%20remove%20-fglrx%20and%20reinstall%20-ati%20from%20scratch
[12:42] <markskilbeck> See what I mean ;)
[12:42] <ikonia> guys,
[12:42] <ohsix> Duderino: keen
[12:42] <magpiie> how do i send someone a direct message? am i doing it right by just starting my topic with there name?
[12:43] <ForceDestroyer> I have a hunch that I'm having problems with some kind of power saving that kills my network adapter
[12:43] <ikonia> magpiie: just say the persons name who your talking to
[12:43] <ikonia> magpiie: eg: as I'm doing to you now
[12:43] <markskilbeck> magpiie: /msg user message
[12:43] <magpiie> ikonia is this right?
[12:43] <ikonia> magpiie: perfect
[12:43] <ForceDestroyer> I'm relatively new to Linux, how do I turn off or manage power saving features that might relate to the ethernet adapter?
[12:43] <ohsix> ForceDestroyer: is it something you can force with mii-tool/ifconfig or some driver stuff in /sys?
[12:44] <ForceDestroyer> I'n mew enough to Linuy to have no idea what you're talking about... ^^;
[12:44] <ForceDestroyer> *new
[12:44] <magpiie> sweet, as you might be able to tell, i am fairly noob with computer language, as for ubuntu, i have been with this system just over a month, and its perfect(ish)
[12:44] <markskilbeck> ForceDestroyer: you probably mean GNU/Linux, but whatever.
[12:44] <ohsix> ForceDestroyer: well i dunno if you can if the driver doesn't support it; trying to force it at least gives you enough information to report a bug, when you talk about power management do you mean when your laptop isn't on AC or something?
[12:44] <sipior> markskilbeck: that's enough.
[12:44]  * markskilbeck has been muddied by RMS
[12:45] <ohsix> markskilbeck: trolling is offtopic on freenode, not just here
[12:45] <ForceDestroyer> No, I mean it is known that this Laptop has ACPI issues and I need to reboot 5-10 times to get the network adapter to work every day o.o
[12:45] <Logan_> !ot | markskilbeck
[12:45] <markskilbeck> You're welcome!
[12:45] <knoppies> I just accidentally shift-deleted a folder. Can somebody please advice me how to get it back (ubuntu 10.10), I need a quick fix, not something that is going to take me 4 hours to complete. I deleted it a few minutes ago, I haven't done anything since (except open IRC)
[12:45] <insanity99> where is python folder? i need to find 'site-packages'
[12:45] <ohsix> ForceDestroyer: ah, is your bios version current?
[12:45] <jrib> !recover | knoppies
[12:45] <Kartagis> alex88: to my surprise, it solved the problem
[12:46] <jrib> insanity99: why?
[12:46] <insanity99> to add a python module
[12:46] <knoppies> jrib, thanks, but I was hoping for a suggestion more directed at my problem. I will have a look.
[12:46] <hipitihop> sacarlson, sorry, tep possibly the one
[12:46] <jrib> knoppies: what python module?
[12:46] <ohsix> ForceDestroyer: it's really all up in the air if you have other problems :\
[12:47] <jrib> knoppies: I am also looking for a machine to turn aluminum into gold but unfortunately there are things that do not exist :)
[12:47] <ForceDestroyer> Well... I don't have other problems, I just read other people said the ACPI was strange
[12:47] <cyclobian> hi there.. does anyone know the name of the project that tries to make Gimp look like Photoshop?
[12:47] <ikonia> cyclobian: try the guys in #gimp
[12:47] <Logan_> cyclobian: GIMPShop
[12:48] <nickor> hi guys
[12:48] <knoppies> jrib, I said nothing about a python module. Does it have to be aluminium?
[12:48] <cyclobian> ah thnx (kinda logical)
[12:48] <cyclobian> ;)
[12:48] <insanity99> jrib?
[12:48] <jrib> insanity99: what python module?
[12:48] <ohsix> ForceDestroyer: do you know what driver is used for your ethernet? like is it a marvell & uses the tg3 driver?
[12:48] <nickor> i ran the hard drive diagnostic from terminal yesterday
[12:48] <ForceDestroyer> ohsix: bios version? Uh, I don't know... does BIOS play a role after the bootloader? The network adapter dies during booting of ubuntu, and then sometimes is re-enabled when the login screen appears (green lights on the switch turned off/on again)
[12:48] <nickor> and im very confuised with the results
[12:48] <MaRk-I> ForceDestroyer: that usually happens when the laptop goes into suspend or hibernation mode you have one of them enabled?
[12:48] <nickor> it ran all night
[12:48] <sipior> insanity99: usually under "/usr/lib/python2.6", or "/usr/local/lib/python26", chaning version numbers as appropriate.
[12:49] <nickor> and is still goin going upward
[12:49] <ohsix> ForceDestroyer: acpi problems originate from data in the bios and persist the entire time it runs, so if you have a problem with it being current on your bios can help
[12:49] <insanity99> jrib, swampy for the book think python, been trying for ages and cant continue till i do it
[12:49] <jrib> insanity99: it's unlikely that you should need direct knowledge of these paths to install a python module though
[12:49] <ohsix> ForceDestroyer: it being the computer, not the bios
[12:49] <nickor> 84302145
[12:49] <ForceDestroyer> okay... I'll look for a current bios first then... mom
[12:49] <nickor> etc....
[12:49] <nickor> is this normal behavior?
[12:50] <Logan_> !enter | nickor
[12:50] <fillayu> hi, a quick question. how to change the php version from 5.3 to 5.2
[12:50] <rileyp> am i invisible?
[12:50] <ohsix> ForceDestroyer: best case scenario, it is related and is fixed by the update, otherwise we can look further
[12:50] <nickor> ill try to be more concise Logan
[12:50] <Pici> rileyp: we can see you.
[12:50] <markskilbeck> fillayu: 5.2 is no longer supported, BTW.
[12:50] <Kronus> hello all
[12:50] <Kronus> need assistance please
[12:50] <rileyp> ah ok thanks
[12:50] <markskilbeck> But you would checkout the source from svn.php.net, and compile it yourself.
[12:50] <Pici> !ask | Kronus
[12:51] <Kronus> ok
[12:51] <jrib> insanity99: see: http://docs.python.org/install/index.html especially "the home scheme"
[12:51] <ohsix> ForceDestroyer: also the lights might not have anything to do with what you think, networkmanager brings the interface up and down, and your networking problem could be entirely outside the driver
[12:51] <Kronus> I'm wondering on how I can disable the "nouveau kernel" so that i can install my nvidia driver
[12:51] <ForceDestroyer> ohsix: there might be a new BIOS verion, though it says nothing of ACPI. I'm afk for a bit, I'll download and try it asap. Thanks.
[12:51] <mhdpiero> hi
[12:52] <coz_> Kronus,  that should disable when you install the nvidia driver from  /system/administration/additional drivers
[12:52] <ohsix> ForceDestroyer: they never list the important/embarassing things ;]
[12:52] <coz_> Kronus,  and you have to do a reboot for that to take effect
[12:52] <Kronus> i tried blacklisting it already but the nvidia installer keeps complaining
[12:52] <Kronus> and im on Lubuntu btw
[12:53] <coz_> Kronus,  are you downloading the driver from nvidia.com?
[12:53] <Logan_> !lubuntu | Kronus
[12:53] <Kronus> yes
[12:53] <insanity99> ok thanks
[12:53] <coz_> Kronus,   open a terminal   and type   jockey-gtk
[12:53] <coz_> I think that should be on lubuntu
[12:53] <Kronus> and next?
[12:54] <coz_> Kronus,  ok when that opens,, look for the   nvidia_current dirver and click to hightlight and then activate
[12:54] <ohsix> Kronus: if you need a newer driver than ubuntu includes, after following coz's instructions you should check out the x-updates ppa
[12:54] <coz_> Kronus,  let that download and install,, then  reboot the system
[12:54] <Kronus> hmmm... im using the comp at work right now
[12:54] <ohsix> Kronus: f.e. if you need the 290 driver
[12:55] <coz_> Kronus, ok take notes :)
[12:56] <Kronus> and another thing the install keeps complaining about a "script" at the beggining of installation can't remember what it's called
[12:56] <Kronus> but it prompted me to install anyway
[12:56] <Kronus> and that's when the nouveau kernel prob kicks in
[12:56] <ohsix> using the vendor driver installer for distros with a package manager is bad juju
[12:57] <Kronus> im using legacy drivers for nvidia geforce 2 mx 400
[12:57] <Kronus> download from nvidia.com
[12:57] <Kronus> *downloaded
[12:57] <coz_> Kronus,  the legacy drivers should also be in  jockey-gtk
[12:58] <Emil> hello :) new to linux. trying to install a lib. getting that i dont have permission. how do i 'make install' with admin privileges?
[12:58] <ohsix> yea you don't want to do that, let jockey do it for you
[12:58] <Pici> Emil: put sudo in front of it.
[12:58] <coz_> Emil,  where are you installing this library from and how?
[12:58] <Emil> thanks!
[12:58] <Logan_> !sudo | Emil
[12:58] <nickor> for new users id recommend #ubuntu-beginners aswell
[12:58] <fillayu> hi
[12:59] <Kronus> and guys im ashamed to say this i don't have internet at home too :(
[12:59] <Kronus> the connection was cut off a month ago
[12:59] <Logan_> !ot | Kronus
[12:59] <ohsix> Logan_: heh
[12:59] <fillayu> markskilbeck  a cakephp project can be used in php 5.2, but not used in php 5.3
[12:59] <ohsix> Logan_: given the context i'm sure hes meaning to ask how to find the files he needs to take home
[13:00] <coz_> Kronus,  you might be able to download the requires packages under synaptic package manager and save them..then take that home and install
[13:00] <Kronus> so that means no apt-get or synaptic for me
[13:00] <coz_> Kronus,  are you on linux at work?
[13:00] <ohsix> yea, synaptic will let you create state bundles
[13:00] <Kronus> nope they use WinDOZE
[13:00] <axscode> anyone happen to know how to transfer multiple layers to other page on gimp?
[13:00] <hrvojev> Hello. How can I join other server?
[13:01] <cyoz> last time I tried to install ubuntu 10.10 from my usb-stick I got an error during the setup and googling the issue seemed to show that this an unfixed issue in ubuntu. Not an expert but apparently the installer is confused by a different file system on the stick as compared to a cd. Does anybody know anything about that?
[13:01] <cyoz> I'm trying it again today..
[13:01] <Kronus> that's probably the most awful part... >.<
[13:01] <ohsix> axscode: do the copy from the layers window?
[13:01] <zvacet> Kronus:  see if http://keryxproject.org/ can help you
[13:01] <set_> Hi
[13:02] <axscode> ohsix: how about multiple layer at once?
[13:02] <Kronus> hmmm... let me check it out...
[13:02] <_marix> any hardcore users of rdesktop that have found a way to type scpecial chars like Ø (alt+0216) to a windows host?
[13:02] <ohsix> cyoz: the file could be damaged on disk, computers don't get confused; they do what you tell them :P
[13:02] <set_> I dont have a lot of time. I need to create live version ubuntu booting from pendrive with installed the third softwares
[13:02] <nickor> whats the terminal command to check the disk for errors?
[13:03] <nickor> fcsk -v is that right?
[13:03] <ohsix> _marix: whatever you do to enter them like that in windows should work
[13:03] <steveire> Hi. I have just upgraded to natty. I have two monitors in a 'double wide screen' setup, which used to work, and now doesn't. I think I was using drivers downloaded directly from the nvidia website before, but I'd prefer to use distro stuff instead. My second monitor is blank, but I seem to be able to move my mouse in there.
[13:03] <steveire> lspci | grep VGA
[13:03] <steveire> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 9300 GE] (rev a1)
[13:03] <Pici> steveire : Please join #ubuntu+1 for Natty/11.04 support/discussion.
[13:03] <cyoz> ohsix, well I forgot the exact wording but it looked like the ubuntu installer does expect something different when using a flash drive
[13:03] <cyoz> I just can't find the post again...
[13:03] <Kronus> hmm... I'll try this Keryx out...
[13:03] <Logan_> !natty | steveire
[13:03] <set_> How i can do this? I found instructions howto make bootable pendrive with ubuntu buth without third software like: nvidia drivers, benchmark of graphic card and cpu...
[13:03] <zvacet> !natty | steveire
[13:03] <Kronus> but can someone tell me how to disable that nouveau kernel?
[13:04] <_marix> ohsix: no, the rdesktop disables tha alt efter the first number pressed, so in notepad, you get 216 written instead of the char
[13:04] <Kronus> just in case
[13:04] <ohsix> zvacet: thanks for the link
[13:04] <ohsix> _marix: interesting
[13:04] <Logan_> Kronus: /join #nouveau
[13:04] <zvacet> ohsix:  np  ;)
[13:05] <ohsix> _marix: if theres no setting to affect that for rdesktop i'id say that it was almost certainly a bug
[13:05] <Kronus> ok thnx for all those who helped ill keep those in mind
[13:05] <Kronus> :0
[13:05] <Kronus> :)
[13:05] <_marix> ohsix: no setting that i have found that would affect it, not sure if its the default desktop in 10.10 that does some anti hold magic
[13:06] <ohsix> _marix: well alt is a key press/up event like anything else, but it sounds like its just bundling the alt state with one character, instead of a complete down, n sym, up sequence
[13:07] <_marix> ohsix: pretty much yes
[13:07] <mylisto> argh...
[13:07] <mylisto> can't find out why I can't move my files from my microsd to my desktop...
[13:07] <Core> hello! I have the following problem: I connect to my linux computer via tightvncserver (burned video chip) and I am unable to connect both to my wireless and wired network at the same time. When I try to connect to wireless it says: Dissconnecting active connections and I lose my vnc connection and I have to restart manually to connect again. If anyone could help me it would be really appreciated
[13:07] <mylisto> getting these errors when I do a dmesg
[13:07] <mylisto> http://pastebin.com/vCHUhE87
[13:08] <ohsix> _marix: you could try the character map applet if its not needed to enter it very often
[13:08] <ferengee> mylisto, your fat on your microsd is corrupted
[13:08] <RobinHood> YankDownUnder : you there?
[13:08] <mylisto> ah...
[13:08] <mylisto> ferengee: anyway to fix it?
[13:09] <_marix> ohsix: its needed to often, already tried that route :)
[13:09] <ohsix> :\
[13:09] <ferengee> mylisto, not that i know
[13:09] <ferengee> mylisto, I would recommend testdisk and / or photorec
[13:09] <ohsix> well i'm pretty sure its a bug, you should report it; if its expected to work like that and wont change, at least someone will tell you that when they close the bug
[13:10] <_marix> ohsix: its the small things noone thinks about when they get the bright idea to do thin clients
[13:10] <axscode> is there a way to install gimp 2.7.1 via apt?
[13:10] <ohsix> shrug
[13:10] <_marix> ohsix: will do
[13:10] <ohsix> _marix: you could also try the windows imes
[13:10] <x0zrl> Hi... does somebody knows the best way to restrict a user with sudo... i mean the main idea is to the user to witre and delete only in his /home/ and use aptitude and sudo only for networking and viewing logs...
[13:10] <ohsix> it'd be awkward but i think theres a unicode ime for easy entry of that stuff, like ubuntu has
[13:11] <_marix> ohsix: will look into it
[13:11] <ohsix> x0zrl: thats what sudo does, theres no best way to edit the configuration file & read the manual to suit your preferences ;]
[13:12] <miyamoto> can we install ubuntu in macbook pro or older ver
[13:12] <miyamoto> ????
[13:12] <Sean____> Is there a way to open the internet configuration(wifi specifically) window via a keyboard shortcut or terminal command?
[13:12] <ohsix> Sean____: try win+b
[13:13] <ohsix> Sean____: to my surprise it selects the notification area :D
[13:13] <Core> hello! I have the following problem: I connect to my linux computer via tightvncserver (burned video chip) and I am unable to connect both to my wireless and wired network at the same time. When I try to connect to wireless it says: Dissconnecting active connections and I lose my vnc connection and I have to restart manually to connect again. If anyone could help me it would be really appreciated
[13:13] <ohsix> or did, before natty; cant seem to make it do it now
[13:13] <ohsix> Core: do they connect to the same network?
[13:14] <zvacet> axscode:  see https://launchpad.net/~matthaeus123/+archive/mrw-gimp-svn
[13:14] <miyamoto> any suggestion plzzzzz.....how to install ubuntu in macbook
[13:14] <ohsix> Core: 802.1x (with wpa) on the wifi connection makes doing that a bit odd; i don't think you'll be able to do it in a useful way, actually
[13:14] <aeon-ltd> !mac | miyamoto
[13:15] <RobinHood> miyamoto : whaddya need to know ... I've got it on an old jellybean-shaped iMac.
[13:15] <axscode> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maverick/main Sources                                                      404  Not Found  <-- this is on apt-get update is this the same on launchpad.net?
[13:15] <Sean____> ohsix: hmm, not sure, not having much luck with win+b
[13:15] <ohsix> Sean____: i could be mistaken about it being b, let me look around a bit
[13:16] <Core> ohsix: i connect to different networks. Actually wired is WAN and wireless to a ad-hoc network
[13:16] <number-one> hello how to disable the #ubuntu autojoin ?
[13:16] <Sean____> ohsix: thanks, just having troubles with my mouse atm so have to rely on keyboard shortcuts and commands :)
[13:17] <ohsix> Core: that won't do what you expect
[13:17] <zvacet> axscode:  go to the site with a link and there will be instructions
[13:17] <sss314> I've compiled a C program using gcc. I can run it using the terminal but I also want to be able to run it by double clicking it in nautilus. any help?
[13:17] <ohsix> Core: but you can set network-manager to share the ad-hoc network, then it might
[13:17] <aeon-ltd> sss314: chmod +x nameoffile
[13:17] <ohsix> sss314: it is running when you double click on it
[13:18] <aeon-ltd> sss314: that will make it executable to run
[13:18] <ohsix> sss314: you just won't see any output if it has no gui
[13:18] <ohsix> sss314: or if its not run in a terminal
[13:18] <sss314> aeon-ltd ohsix I can run it by writing "./my-prog" in the terminal but not by double-clicking
[13:19] <ohsix> sss314: it is running, you just can't see the output ...
[13:19] <sss314> ohsix aeon-ltd So how I make it run in the terminal by double clicking? (don't have GUI in prog)
[13:20] <Emil> using synaptic package manager. keeps complaining about files not found. how to resolve this issue?
[13:20] <ohsix> sss314: theres no way for nautilus to know you want to run just that one in a terminal, you'll have to create a wrapper that starts the shell for you, or install the nautilus extras that will let you right click and run it in a terminal
[13:20] <aeon-ltd> sss314: create a script that does 'xterm(or name of whatever terminal you use) -e nameoffile'
[13:21] <aeon-ltd> sss314: then run that script instead
[13:21] <sss314> ohsix aeon-ltd Thank you.
[13:21] <xgt001> my laptop doesnt calm down after getting noisy
[13:21] <xgt001> any ideas
[13:22] <aeon-ltd> xgt001: whats the cpu like? if its process that still maxing out near 100% (or 80>) then the fan won't calm down - it needs to cool
[13:23] <xgt001> no its not 100%
[13:23] <ohsix> sss314: i think the package with the right click thing is in nautilus-actions
[13:23] <aeon-ltd> xgt001: around...?
[13:23] <xgt001> barely 12 %
[13:23] <aeon-ltd> xgt001: what were you running before?
[13:23] <xgt001> actually initially it keeps quiet once it gets noisy
[13:23] <zvacet> Emil:  what are you trying to install
[13:23] <xgt001> it takes ten minutes to calm down
[13:24] <aeon-ltd> xgt001: old laptop?
[13:24] <xgt001> any hacks to reduce the spin down time ???
[13:24] <aeon-ltd> xgt001: you can force the fan to slow down, but i wouldn't out of risk of overheating
[13:24] <xgt001> no
[13:24] <xgt001> just one month
[13:25] <elfranne> is there a way to stream video without having to reencode them ?
[13:25] <aeon-ltd> xgt001: i've got no solutions then. sorry
[13:25] <xgt001> no in windows it calms down immediately after login
[13:26] <xgt001> how to decrease the time taken for the hardisk to spin down
[13:27] <royale1223> !info uck
[13:28] <ohsix> xgt001: have a look at /etc/hdparm.conf
[13:31] <Emil> hello anybody here? i want to install eclipse-cdt on my ubuntu but it says that some of the files are missing. do i continue or not? if not, where do i get the missing files? this seems to be happening for a lot of software for me. isnt it a good idea to remove the softwares from the list if files are missing?
[13:31] <Emil> (synaptic package manager)
[13:32] <Sean____> Is there a way to get the GUI window of internet configuration up via terminal or anything?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:33] <Sean____> my mouse is giving me issues, so I can only use my keyboard to do stuff atm.
[13:33] <ohsix> Sean____: you could use nmcli
[13:33] <ohsix> Sean____: setting up new connections like nm-applet does is quite hard though
[13:33] <rob_p> Emil: At a minimum, I'd think you will need a functional development environment for eclipse or some of it's plugins.
[13:33] <Sean____> hmm
[13:34] <rob_p> Emil: Did you take note of which packages are claimed to be missing?
[13:34] <Sean____> I'm not too competent yet so nmcli probably would be beyond me, its just I cant click on the little wifi icon because my mouse is having problems with ubuntu.
[13:34] <ohsix> Sean____: if the connection is already configured you can use nmcli to connect to it
[13:34] <TheUros> someone from french here ?
[13:34] <ohsix> !fr
[13:35] <ohsix> !ir
[13:35] <TheUros> france yes
[13:35] <ohsix> hshs
[13:35] <ohsix> alright the help desk is closed (for me at least, /afk)
[13:36] <Core> how can I make tightvncserver start all the apps that normal login starts?
[13:36] <Sean____> actually the connection is already configured, so I just need to work out how to properly use nmcli to connect to my setup :P
[13:37] <Sean____> yup displayed current status, I see my thing there, so how do I go about connecting to it
[13:37] <zvacet> Emil:  under ubuntu software center check all except source and cdrom and under updates check first two reload and then try to install ahain
[13:37] <Koritsa> hey, i did a sudo passwd and defined a root password and i want to undo this action so that i wont be able to get into the root account just use the sudo, is this possible?
[13:37] <ohsix> Sean____: nmcli con up
[13:38] <ohsix> see nmcli con help for proper usage
[13:38] <Pici> Koritsa: sudo passwd -l   will re-lock the root password.
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Sean____,  wifi ?
[13:39] <Sean____> yeah, wifi blues.
[13:39] <DarkSector_> hello, I have my id_rsa with me taken from another machine and I just put it into my .ssh folder, but I am unable to ssh to my server, how to make it work ? I have the complete backup of my $HOME from the other machine
[13:40] <UBuxuBU> i want to have a ubuntu page on my site...
[13:40] <Koritsa> hello, i did a sudo passwd and change the root account pswd so i could get into it. but now i want to undo this so i wont be able to get into the root account like before and have to use the sudo cmd...
[13:40] <BluesKaj> try sudo dhclient wlan0 , Sean____
[13:40] <Koritsa> someone know how i do it?
[13:40] <Pici> Koritsa: I told you a moment ago.
[13:41] <ohsix> BluesKaj: he's trying to tell nm what profile to bring up from the console
[13:41] <BluesKaj> ohsix,so he has an ethernet option as well then?
[13:42] <Koritsa> pici i know but i have lags
[13:42] <ohsix> BluesKaj: i could tell you the situation but suffice it to say he's got a firm grip on how to rectify it
[13:43] <Pici> Koritsa: Do you need me to repeat it?
[13:43] <Koritsa> yes plz
[13:43] <Sean____> nah says no such device for wlan0
[13:43] <Sean____> :(
[13:43] <acicula> DarkSector_: you have to put your public key as authorized key on the server first
[13:43] <DarkSector_> acicula: its already on the server, the previous machine I was able to connect to it using ssh
[13:43] <DarkSector_> acicula: and I have copied those exact keys
[13:44] <ohsix> Sean____: stick with nmcli, also the "id" is the uuid from the nmcli con list output
[13:44] <acicula> DarkSector_: could try being explicit by specifying -i /path/to/your/.ssh/id_rsa
[13:44] <Koritsa> pici?
[13:44] <DarkSector_> acicula: did that, public key permission denied
[13:44] <acicula> DarkSector_: -v enables the verbose flag so you get some more output
[13:44] <Pici> Koritsa: Nevermind.  Let me know if you need more help with that.
[13:45] <Koritsa> Pici - can you plz tell me agian how to do it. becuz of my lag i missed your answer
[13:45] <haqe17> Sean____: sudo apt-get install xautomation ; while true ; do  xte 'mousermove 1 1'; done
[13:45] <acicula> DarkSector_: connecting as the proper user also?
[13:45] <Pici> Koritsa: To lock the root password, use: sudo passwd -l     (thats a lowercase L)
[13:45] <DarkSector_> acicula: exactly the same as on previous machine, exactly
[13:45] <haqe17> Sean____: cntrl-c when u reach the wifi icon
[13:45] <acicula> DarkSector_: try -v
[13:46] <BluesKaj> nmcli , could be an interesting option,, ~/.ssh/known_hosts , perhaps , Sean____ ?
[13:47] <Koritsa> Pici this dosnt seems to work
[13:47] <Pici> Koritsa: What happens?
[13:48] <ohsix> man you guys have awful suggestions ;] esp. when nmcli is trivial
[13:48] <shane2> hi guys
[13:48] <Koritsa> pici  i found it. it's sudo passwd -l root
[13:48] <Koritsa> thank you
[13:48] <shane2> how we can give specific permssion to specific group
[13:49] <shane2> ?
[13:49] <shane2> please help me
[13:49] <porg> Toshiba Tecra M3 with Ubuntu 10.10 : How can I create power profiles in order to reduce fan noise / CPU speed ?
[13:49] <ferengee> DarkSector_,  you can start the ssh server in debug mode in a terminal on a different port to see what is going on
[13:50] <BluesKaj> ohsix, do you use nmcli ? is it worth configuring vs the aplet ?
[13:50] <porg> Within Windows Toshiba offers a utility for power managment, but I haven't found the equivalent within Ubuntu.
[13:51] <RobinHood> Howdy, I'm a noob at using window managers other than the usual...I accidentally ran openbox-session from inside gnome, and nothing happened except that gnome got awfully sluggish. Now, in GDM (appropriately named, incidentally, considering it's pretty close to the swear word I've been usinf for the past two days) ...
[13:51] <RobinHood> ...in GDM, there's no GNOME option like there used to be, but GNOME/Openbox...
[13:52] <RobinHood> And GNOME/Openbox still uses metacity, it's just that openbox is constantly running, being killed, and respawning in the background.
[13:52] <RobinHood> Any ideas on how to get back to using metacity by default?
[13:52] <ohsix> BluesKaj: if your mouse doesn't work it will get you buy
[13:53] <ohsix> BluesKaj: by
[13:53] <Sean____> sec, guys. btw haqe, I'm not connected to the internet on my laptop which is the one with the problems, hence I can't get xautmoation via sudo apt-get heh.
[13:53] <ohsix> BluesKaj: adding keys to seahorse and connections is very hard without using keyfile though
[13:53] <ohsix> Sean____: good point
[13:54] <ampont> /server dalnet /join #aceh
[13:54] <ohsix> no thanks
[13:54] <wtCoder> Is chinese firend here?
[13:55] <ampont> id
[13:55] <Sean____> haha, thank you though, ohsix, I'll install it when I get the wifi connected :P
[13:56] <RobinHood> Anybody?
[13:56] <ampont> help
[13:57] <ampont> mt ubuntu is not connect wifi
[13:57] <regana> hi all
[13:57] <ampont> hi
[13:57] <ohsix> Sean____: nmcli still too hard? heh, look at the output of nmcli con list, plug it into nmcli con up id <id>
[13:57] <ampont> hellme
[13:58] <ohsix> Sean____: you can use the name too
[13:58] <ohsix> err, up id is for the name, up uuid is for the uuid
[13:59] <regana> see you all...
[13:59] <Guest93845> I'm doing a "ssh -x myserver" and running a gnome command like gedit, but I get this error: GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash.... Any help?
[14:00] <Pici> Guest93845: Its -X not -x for X11 forwarding.
[14:00] <Guest93845> yeah I mean -X
[14:01] <ohsix> eh
[14:01] <ohsix> no gconfd?
[14:02] <Guest93845> ps -ef  | grep gconfd reveals two gconfd processes running
[14:03] <dirkG> generally speaking, when doing a drive (re)format, all the data is still there right?  i'm not talking about nsa wipes or anything, just a regular from-the-disk reformat
[14:03] <Guest93845> if its a quick format dirkG then yes I think so
[14:04] <ohsix> dirkG: a regular format just writes the bare fs structure to function as an empty volume; what it does to clobber thigs depends on the fs
[14:05] <xgt001>  my laptop is noisy only when it runs on ac power but runs quietly in battery... pls help out
[14:05] <ohsix> formatting with fat then leaving it alone will barely change the disk at all, for example
[14:05] <knoppies> dirkG, well, I think the partition tables are overwritten, but yes, on a quick format, I think most of the device is untouched.
[14:05] <knoppies> xgt001, noisy? could it be a fan?
[14:05] <xgt001> no idea... if i unplug it it becomes quiet,,
[14:05] <ohsix> testdisk can search for partitions and readd them
[14:06] <xgt001> knoppies: now sure its the fan
[14:06] <IronHalik> hello
[14:06] <knoppies> xgt001, try clean the dust out of it, and if the fan seems unbalanced, try balance it (not sure how to do that, except maybe replace it (or clean it))
[14:06] <IronHalik> how can i connect to windows workgroup/homegroup from my ubuntu box? :>
[14:07] <ohsix> IronHalik: Places -> Connect to server
[14:07] <dirkG> ohsix, does testdisk know how to handle ntfs?
[14:07] <xgt001> knoppies : the same thing runs quietly even in ac power in windows
[14:07] <knoppies> IronHalik, if you are using GNOME, then click PLACES -> connect to server
[14:07] <BluesKaj> !samba | IronHalik
[14:07] <ohsix> dirkG: yes, but the partition table is different than the filesystem
[14:07] <IronHalik> tried that ubottu, ill try adding a server
[14:07] <IronHalik> thx
[14:07] <dirkG> i see
[14:07] <ohsix> .
[14:08] <Guest93845> xgt001 you should be able to tell what the noise is coming from...
[14:08] <ohsix> BluesKaj: way to clobber the useful information
[14:09] <BluesKaj> ohsix, uhmm , so samba isn't an option ?
[14:09] <xgt001> Guest93845: its the fan noise.... very irritating ... now its only in ac power.... on battery runs quietly
[14:09] <Guest93845> maybe you have a power saving setting that causes your fan to run when plugged into ac
[14:10] <Guest93845> like "high performance" when ac plugged in
[14:10] <IronHalik> ffs - whats my workgroup password? :D
[14:10] <xgt001> i just turned it off in ati
[14:10] <ohsix> BluesKaj: just don't be so quick on those factoids, the "windows shares permanently" does not do whathe's asking and is a huge distraction from getting it done
[14:10] <xgt001> should i reboot and check
[14:10] <IronHalik> I mean, whats the default passworkd when I dont have one? :>
[14:11] <zhang> hjno; iyhyg[    ghy8o '
[14:11] <ohsix> IronHalik: you need one on the account on the windows share to connect to it, unless you use simple file sharing or enable guest access
[14:11] <Guest93845> if you've made a change to power settings then maybe just wait a few minutes and the machine will cool down and switch the fan off
[14:11] <ohsix> Guest93845: did you check and see if it was actually heat?
[14:12] <IronHalik> ohsix, oh, thx
[14:12] <Guest93845> if the fan is _really_ noisy then it might need replacing
[14:12] <xgt001> the fan is noisy only in ac and only in ubuntu
[14:13] <RobinHood> Guest93845 : noisy fans seem to be a pretty common problem in buntu (especially on Mac hardware, find that a bit odd...)
[14:13] <RobinHood> *apple
[14:13] <BluesKaj> ohsix, oh so you're the arbiter of what should or should not be posted here ? Well ,excuse me, but I don't think I need your permission to post here . I fyou don't like it , then take it up with the ops.
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> theres so many differnt ways these mbs can controll fan speeds.
[14:14] <dom96> Anyone else getting a "Partial Update" thing in the update manager today?
[14:15] <Guest93845> maybe the noisy fan is caused by a bios setting that causes ubuntu to think the cpu temperature is maxing out
[14:15] <ohsix> BluesKaj: if you distract people from solving their problems in such a way then you are making trouble, you understand? i can't control what you say, but that isn't the intent of the channel
[14:15] <bazhang> ohsix, lets move on please
[14:16] <ohsix> agreed
[14:16] <xgt001> Guest93845: how to fix tat
[14:16] <BluesKaj> ohsix, so the factoids are a distraction in your opinion.,...inyeresting
[14:16] <ohsix> BluesKaj: read what you offered as "advice" for solving his problem
[14:17] <ohsix> BluesKaj: and what two other people told him to do ..
[14:17] <ohsix> no need to be antagonistic, but personally i'm interested in helping people
[14:17] <MaRk-I> xgt001:  check settings on power management options on AC like "spin down hard disks when possible"
[14:17] <trancegeek> how would i go about installing ppa packages for maverick in natty? (i asked in the +1 room but nobody answered so i'm curious if anyone in here knows)
[14:17] <BluesKaj> oshi I did , no one mentioned samba which is is viable option , so I did.
[14:17] <xgt001> i just removed the cord and it became very very silent immediately
[14:17] <FloodBot2> !netsplit
[14:17] <porg> As I mentioned the fan noise is also very uncomfortable on my Toshiba Tecra M3.
[14:18] <RobinHood> ohhhh, poo...
[14:18] <xgt001> Mark-i : i have selected that option in both ac power and in batteries
[14:18] <porg> And the same fan noise also plagued me when I used Ubuntu on my MacBookPro
[14:18] <RobinHood> Oh, hey, still 1503 users.
[14:18] <ohsix> BluesKaj: that is not "samba", that is an article on how to do something with smbfs, the first class way to do  what he asked was Places -> Connect to server
[14:18] <ForceDestroyer> Okay, for some reason the Asus BIOS flashing tools either don't like me or I didn't find the right one... can I flash BIOS safely from within Ubuntu?
[14:18] <porg> So, any hints on how to imrpove power/cpu/fan settings?
[14:19] <Guest93845> googling for noise fan ubuntu gives lots of hits like this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AA1/Fixes - search down for fan control
[14:19] <ohsix> trancegeek: well you make sure its getting the mav packages then pin them if theres a conflicting version; if there isn't then theres nothing to do after the first step
[14:19] <porg> The Ubuntu preference pane "Power Management" offers only few options.
[14:19] <xgt001> porg: agreed......
[14:19] <Guest93845> I suggest googling around and spend some time reading up on solutions
[14:19] <ohsix> trancegeek: rarely, mixing versions can be a problem though; if its just a user program and nothing to do with running the system you should be ok though
[14:20] <trancegeek> ohsix, it's an icon pack
[14:20] <trancegeek> there just isn't a version built for natty, i doubt there are compatibility issues
[14:20] <porg> Guest93845: Your URL was for an Acer
[14:20] <porg> I already googled for about 50min w/o success...
[14:21] <ohsix> trancegeek: icon names change pretty regularly between releases, it might not work
[14:21] <trancegeek> hmm
[14:21] <trancegeek> true
[14:21] <trancegeek> dammit
[14:21] <porg> Hence i wanted to ask what's the general Ubuntu power/fan approach
[14:21] <BluesKaj> ohsix,, I disagree with your estimation of the the importance of his windows share options. Let's just leave it at that.
[14:21] <Guest93845> hehe I even found a page targeted towards silencing the vaio fan for my ubuntu vaio laptop :)
[14:21] <ohsix> trancegeek: but add the ppa, then go to software properties & change the release for the ppa to maverick, then reload packages
[14:21] <ohsix> BluesKaj: i at least read what you offered as a solution, i suggest you do as well
[14:22] <BluesKaj> ohsix, suggest all you want :)
[14:23] <ohsix> BluesKaj: so you are providing information you don't even read or know the contents of ... i'm pretty sure thats deliberately misleading people
[14:23] <bazhang> ohsix, BluesKaj lets stop it now
[14:23] <BluesKaj> ohsix, I did read it hbtw , the samba option was neber mentioned , if you would have read it thoroughly
[14:23] <Guest93845> it seems to me, unfortunately that fan control is a case-by-case issue depending on your hardware
[14:24] <ohsix> bazhang: please review what he provided and speak to the situation
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> MB makers love to have their own fan control standards.
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> my AAO netbook needed some special deamon i recall.
[14:24] <BluesKaj> bazhang, I'm being chatstized for suggesting viable options here
[14:25] <ohsix> BluesKaj: try clicking on Places -> Connect to server, you'll find that it offeres "Windows share" among many options, they need not even know how it works or what its name is
[14:25] <Guest93845> Anyone newly logged on got a solution to this: GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash......
[14:25] <robbit10> !offtopic > robbit10
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> Guest93845:  are you using NFS?
[14:26] <BluesKaj> bazhang, scuse the pun , chatstized :)
[14:26] <Guest93845> nope, I just logged into the server like "ssh -X myserver" and issued gedit
[14:26] <ohsix> Guest93845: did you mangle the distro to the degree that there is no gconf?
[14:26] <xgt001> Guest93845: i tried it
[14:26] <xgt001> but dint work sadly
[14:26] <Guest93845> ps -ef | grep gconf reveals to processes running
[14:26] <BluesKaj> ohsix, I'm on kde
[14:26] <Dr_Willis> Guest93845:  you may need to run some of the gnome-settings deamons.
[14:26] <ohsix> Guest93845: hm
[14:26] <ohsix> BluesKaj: my condolences
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> porg:  all i know on fan contrioll is it depends on the MB maker/chipset. and my AA1 needed a server to get it to have any controll.
[14:28] <porg> Dr_Willis: So the preinstalled Ubuntu SW cannot handle it?
[14:28] <Dr_Willis> porg:  for 3 out of my 4 laptops. ive not needed to mess with fan speeds/controlls at all. they work fine out of the box.
[14:28] <chalist> hi all. i have a problem with apache. session_start() error. i think my apache have not permission to write. any body can help me how i can fix it?
[14:28] <Dr_Willis> porg:  it totally depends on the specific chipset/mb/pc.
[14:28] <xgt001> my problem is so weird..... the moment i take the power cord off it becomes innocently quiet!
[14:28]  * DrManhattan clears his throat
[14:29] <ohsix> xgt001: it can be down to your bios/acpi situation
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> xgt001:  sounds like some powersaveing settings are incorrect.if it can in fact controll the fan sopeed.
[14:29] <porg> Yes, but what would be the user interface for accessing these settings then? Is their a common abstraction GUI for this?
[14:29] <ohsix> xgt001: windows often just walks past those while linux actually trusts them to work to some degree
[14:29] <ForceDestroyer> Okay, how is it that I repeatedly feel like an idiot when trying anything... how do I flash my bios? Using Google repeatedly returns that I need a floppy drive... who the hell has a floppy drive these days?!? Ô_ô;
[14:30] <ohsix> xgt001: theres a fancontrol package you can look at the configuration of
[14:30] <ForceDestroyer> Does the procedure depend on manufacturer, or is there some common tool to do it?
[14:30] <Dr_Willis>  porg  thers always the various apci and /proc/* settng you can play with - if the gui dosent have settings for it. and theres numerous make/model specific tools
[14:30] <ohsix> ForceDestroyer: you can make a cd or usb stick with dos on it to accomplish the same thing
[14:30] <xgt001> ohsix: can u pls tell the package
[14:31] <shadow420> !free-dos
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> ForceDestroyer:  many MB's these days can read the new bios froma  flash drive. they dont even need to boot from a floppy.
[14:31] <BluesKaj> ForceDestroyer, what are you trying to do , first of all ?
[14:31] <ohsix> Dr_Willis: more /sys as of late
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> ForceDestroyer:  check your MB docs.
[14:31] <NaseMk> how do i install my usb pc camera in ubuntu 10.10
[14:31] <NaseMk> ?
[14:31] <porg> $ toshset returns: required kernel toshiba support not enabled.
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> NaseMk:  plug it in.. see if it works.
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> NaseMk:  install/run cheese. see if it works :)
[14:31] <ohsix> ForceDestroyer: Dr_Willis is right, special name on cd or usb & holding a special key will do it for most things
[14:31] <NaseMk> i did install cheese
[14:32] <NaseMk> but does not work
[14:32] <ohsix> xgt001: fancontrol ...
[14:32] <{C9}t00lsh3d> Then your screwed.
[14:32] <Guest93845> a search for "fan control" in synaptic package manager lists a variety of packages that might be useful
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> Ive heard of MB's that can even (somehow?) connect to the internet with no OS and update their bios. Not seen one of those yet.
[14:32] <{C9}t00lsh3d> a lot of webcams don't seem to work :P lol
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> Most all webcam drivers have been done by a small set of coders. They can only do so much.
[14:32] <porg> I already searched for "toshiba, fan, control, etc" within Synaptic, and installed those CLI apps.
[14:32] <porg> And tried to run them.
[14:33] <NaseMk> so no sollution for my problem
[14:33] <Dr_Willis> I never noticed my Toshiba needing any special fan control stuff. but i work in a very noisy enviroment with it. so i souldent hear it if it was as loud as a lawnmower. :)
[14:33] <chalist> hi all. i have a problem with apache. session_start() error. i think my apache have not permission to write. any body can help me how i can fix it?
[14:33] <NaseMk> it is sonix web cam
[14:33] <ohsix> the usb camera class ones work; and a lot of cameras are that
[14:33] <Dr_Willis> NaseMk:  check google and the forums. there may be some work arounds.
[14:33] <porg> acpitool -f    returns Fan :  on, not forced
[14:33] <shadow420> porg get free-dos and install it onto a flash drive and put the bios flash onto it
[14:33] <NaseMk> ok Dr_Willis
[14:34] <ForceDestroyer> The old BIOS indeed says something of the kind... but... lol I'll quote it: "Start Easy Flash / Doesn't support: CDROM / USB HDD / Secondary HDD"
[14:34] <ohsix> Dr_Willis: those extra acpi modules are bound + pulled in by specific models; chances are you don't need one ... until you do :]
[14:34] <porg> shadow420: How would that help?
[14:34] <Dr_Willis> porg:  if your MB maker even has a 'dos' bios flash utility. see 'freedos'
[14:34] <NaseMk> thanks
[14:34] <xgt001> can we turn off the fan/ slow down the fan using acpi
[14:34] <porg> So i need to alter the BIOS?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> sometimes updating the bios breaks the system , ForceDestroyer , be careful
[14:34] <porg> In order for this to work?
[14:34] <ForceDestroyer> Well, if I can't use USB, CD-ROM or the HDD slot, what CAN I use? -_-
[14:34] <Dr_Willis> porg:  thers often differnt apci/fancontrol settings in the bops's
[14:35] <porg> But on windows proper power management and fan, already works
[14:35] <Dr_Willis> ForceDestroyer:  elven magic?
[14:35] <ForceDestroyer> Well, the BIOS is official from ASUS, and I have enough trouble as is, it's worth a shot
[14:35] <shadow420> are you on a tower or laptop
[14:35] <porg> And I have looked at the fan settings within BIOS, and they seemed to be right
[14:35] <ForceDestroyer> But. Yea. Elven magic? I do not understand, maybe USB HDD does not include smaller USB sticks?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> ForceDestroyer, were jujst trying change the boot sequence or ?
[14:35] <Dr_Willis> ForceDestroyer:  some older pc's cant boot from flash. some have issues with some flash. CDROM should work.
[14:36]  * BluesKaj checks batteries in KB
[14:36] <shadow420> and make sure the flash drives mbr is setup right
[14:36] <ForceDestroyer> I can change the boot sequence, but what do I use to update BIOS then... the easy flash utility is started from within the BIOS
[14:36] <porg> So what do you say regarding my fan noise on my Toshiba?
[14:36] <Dr_Willis> ForceDestroyer:  if the bios has a flash utility. You just put the bios file on a usb stick. and use the utility... i think
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> ForceDestroyer:  you dont boot from the flash.. the bios has it all built in.
[14:37] <ForceDestroyer> It says "doesn't support USB HDD" ... maybe USB sticks don't count? I'll try it *shrugs*
[14:37] <ohsix> porg: "proper", by your own language you seem to prefer and use windows, do you need any help with ubuntu?
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> ForceDestroyer:  theres BOOTING from the usb.. then theres the bios reading files from the usb to use to flash with.. 2 differnt thangs.
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> ForceDestroyer:  if the bios cant read the flash. copy the file to a cd i guess.
[14:38] <ohsix> xgt001: you can guide what acpi will do with the fan, but it cooperates with the actual cpu state & temperature, disabling it would be unwise, and a lot of work too ;]
[14:39] <chrise> What is the current default filesystem for new Ubuntu 10.10 installations?
[14:39] <porg> ext4
[14:39] <ohsix> chrise: ext4
[14:39] <chrise> Thanks.
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> ive not heard much about that other FS. (btrfs?) in ages..
[14:40] <porg> ohsix: I am a mac user by default. And I got a Windows laptop as a present, which I want to use with ubuntu, but I d prefer silent operation
[14:40] <ForceDestroyer> oh what lol
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> porg:  test it with a 11.04 live cd. if it has issues. be sure to file a bug on it.
[14:41] <ForceDestroyer> The USB stick doesn't work, but some secret thing can read NTFS
[14:41] <ForceDestroyer> from the Hard drive. I think I can flash using that *shrugs*
[14:41] <ohsix> porg: like i suggested to xtg, you should check the actual temperatures, and if they're higher than normal find out why before you crowbar it off
[14:41] <porg> ohsix: I ran acpitool, and even though it seems to have the setting most appropriate for silent operation (on, not forced) it is still too loud for my taste
[14:42] <ohsix> porg: unless you look more into the circumstances you'll probably have to get used to it
[14:42] <Frantic> guys, should the integrated graphics on H67 boards work in 10.10?
[14:43] <porg> So how far does the OS interfere with the fan settings, how far the firmware (BIOS?) ?
[14:43] <ohsix> Frantic: people won't know what that is :D do you mean intel/snb?
[14:43] <ohsix> porg: try and rule out anything else first, or you are on a fools errand
[14:43] <Frantic> yes, I mean the new Intel sandy bridge H67 mobos, which have on-CPU graphics. Should they work?
[14:44] <porg> Can the OS overrule its "subsystem's fan recommendation" hence overheat the CPU? Or will the subsystem defend itself against dangerous fan instruction from the OS?s
[14:44] <Dr_Willis> Frantic:  ive herad they can have some issues
[14:44] <ohsix> Frantic: yes, but in what capacity i do not know; expect to file bugs
[14:44] <Heroin> Hey
[14:44] <porg> Heroin: On rehab?
[14:44] <Dr_Willis> I think with most new pc's the  hardware can prevent overheating
[14:44] <ohsix> porg: you overheat the system by doing work
[14:45] <RobinHood> Howdy, I'm a noob at using window managers other than the default...I accidentally ran openbox-session from inside gnome, and nothing happened except that gnome got awfully sluggish. Now, in GDM (appropriately named, incidentally, considering it's pretty close to the swear word I've been using for the past two days) ...in GDM, there's no GNOME option like there used to be -- it changed to GNOME/Openbox, which still uses metacity
[14:45] <RobinHood> -- and openbox is constantly running, being killed, and respawning in the background.  Any ideas on how to get back to using metacity by default?
[14:45] <porg> Or by not giving proper cooling
[14:45] <ohsix> 2004+ intel processors have 2 thermal throttling modes, but you don't even ge4t to think about them unless there are other, multiple failures
[14:45] <Frantic> I have just installed a few systems on H67 and the max resolution I can get is 1280xXXX, while I can understand this, I can't seem to find too much chatter or solutions for this on google. So I'm wandering, do they usually work but with bugs, or are people just ignoring them?
[14:46] <frank_> I'm having a network problem. Yesterday, my wired internet connection worked fine. Today, the network manager says eth0 is disconnected. I can't find anything addressing it in the forums (Ubuntu 10.1)
[14:46] <frank_> any help would be appreciated
[14:46] <ohsix> Frantic: check dmesg for invalid edid information messages
[14:46] <Koritsa> hello, is theres a way to run my allready installed ubuntu inside my vista?
[14:46] <dirkG> need a syntax check here:  sudo ddrescue -r 3 /dev/sda /dev/sdb/disk_image.img /dev/sdb/rescue_log.txt    .   i'm running it off a livedvd, sda is bad drive, sdb is good external.  or is it sda1 and sdb1 ?  both only have the one partition....
[14:46] <ohsix> Frantic: if present & valid the native modes should be used immediately and automatically
[14:47] <Frantic> ohsix: will check, thanks
[14:47] <ohsix> dirkG: you need to mount sdb, then use the path where its mounted
[14:47] <dirkG> how would that look?
[14:48] <sipior> frank_: you can't reselect it in the Network Manager applet? is the cable seated properly, at both ends?
[14:48] <ohsix> dirkG: you also want to do udisks --inhibit before you plug in the bad drive; so nothing tries to read/mount it
[14:48] <dirkG> i'm getting i/o errors on bad drive... would i still need to do the udisks --inhibit?
[14:48] <ohsix> dirkG: in summary, clean boot, plug in sdb, open it in nautilus to see where it mounts in /media; run udisks --inhibit in a console, plug in the bad drive
[14:48] <dirkG> ok
[14:49] <frank_> sipior: I've checked the connections a dozen times, everything looks good. When I click on Network Manager "Wired Connection" is grey and says "disconnected"
[14:49] <ohsix> yes, if its getting mounted or read it could cause futher damage, and what you are copying could be changing while you do it
[14:49] <sipior> frank_: what does ifconfig report?
[14:49] <frank_> sipior: the wired connection works fine on the laptop (which I'm using now
[14:49] <frank_> )
[14:49] <ohsix> which is _bad_ ;]
[14:49] <hikenboot> hello i am trying to get the terminal server client to connect with rdp 5.1 to a windows server 2008 R2 terminal server it keeps giving me unable to connect error the same laptop is able to connect when booted to windows using the windows terminal server program ...anyone know why?
[14:49] <porg> learner has recommended powersaved
[14:50] <porg> Maybe a good daemon for power management
[14:50] <porg> I ll have to look into this.
[14:50] <ohsix> porg: don't try any of those extra daemons until you figure the temperatture thing out
[14:50] <ForceDestroyer> The bios flash utility sees the file, but immediately says "Read File Error!loading and validating BIOS binary file..." with the loading message blinking and the error message just sinning there...
[14:51] <porg> ohsix: What shall I figure out? My current CPU load and temperature sensor data?
[14:51] <ohsix> porg: at best they'll interfere with the magic that happens with the default software, and only hack around the problem
[14:51] <ForceDestroyer> *sitting
[14:51] <porg> ohsix: Did not quite understand you, back then.
[14:51] <hikenboot> ForceDestroyer: is the file read only perhaps
[14:51] <ohsix> porg: the thermal zones for the fan that is loud and what the temperature zone is for (presumably cpu & chipset, which would have separate temperatures)
[14:52] <ohsix> ForceDestroyer: probably wrong name / wrong file for your board
[14:52] <ForceDestroyer> hikenboot: it's on an NTFS partition... I got the file in a zip from ASUS... wat
[14:52] <frank_> sipior: ifconig: eth0: link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 18:a9:05:1f:21:cd, UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metrick:1, RX packets: 0errors: 0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0, TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0, collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000, RX bytes:0 (0, 0 B) TX bytes: 0 (0, 0 B), Interrupt: 42 Base address 0xe000
[14:52] <porg> Xsensors tells me 57 Celsius
[14:52] <Jafar> hi ! is it possible to repackage his own Ubuntu based distro by specifiny automatically the mount tables?
[14:52] <ForceDestroyer> It's a laptop, they only provide this file for the laptop... weirf
[14:52] <ForceDestroyer> *weird
[14:53] <porg> ohsix: Where can I read this data?
[14:53] <sipior> frank_: odd that it's not running. try "sudo ifconfig eth0 up", and then "sudo dhclient eth0".
[14:53] <ohsix> porg: been a while, i'm looking
[14:53] <porg> ohsix: Thank u very much!
[14:53] <hikenboot> sorry without being there i cant tell you why...excpet that maybe its not made for that system perhaps its miss posted call the support channel for the laptop...they would surely be able to help
[14:54] <hikenboot> anyone have an idea about my problem
[14:54] <porg> hikenboot: Was this addressed towards me?
[14:54] <ohsix> porg: /sys/devices/virtual/thermal and thats also where the knobs are if you were to change the thermal zones or fan behaviour
[14:55] <hikenboot> no ForceDestroyer
[14:56] <ohsix> porg: its a bit incomprehensible & assumes a bit about knowing what a thermal zone is and stuff; i can't remember the name of the make-nice tool
[14:56] <frank_> sipior: I ran both commands, "sudo dhclient eth0"  did a bunch of DHCPDISCOVER's to 255.255.255.255, then said, "No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping."
[14:57] <porg> I do not even know what this directory structure is. Is it a mapping to a device?
[14:57] <ohsix> porg but linux takes the bios&acpi's word for things, if the idle temp & default values say fan on then fan is on
[14:57] <sipior> frank_: just assign an address manually.
[14:57] <ohsix> porg: several; one sec
[14:57] <frank_> sipior: how do I do that?
[14:57] <sipior> frank_: sorry, try "sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" (or whatever is appropriate for your network)
[14:59] <porg> ohsix: Ok, to go into private chat for this, to not pollute the pubchat?
[14:59] <frank_> sipior: I did it, nothing seems to have happened
[14:59] <dirkG> ohsix, if sdb (the good, external drive) is registered as /media/disk  then i'll use /media/disk/disk_image.img for the destination of ddrescue?
[14:59] <dirkG> after the udisks --inhibit of course
[14:59] <larious> what is different between open jre and sun jre
[14:59] <sipior> frank_: does ifconfig report the new address correctly?
[14:59] <hikenboot> ubuntu 10.10 does not have a built in firewall ...is this correct?
[14:59] <craigbass1976> I'm trying to get perl running on a LAMP (with php) server.  Is this the best way? http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-apache2-webserver-with-phpcgi-and-perl-support-in-ubuntu-server.html
[14:59] <sipior> hikenboot: no, it's not.
[15:00] <ohsix> dirkG: sounds right, put the .log with the image too
[15:01] <BluesKaj> !jre | larious
[15:01] <bastidrazor> !firewall | hikenboot
[15:01] <ohsix> porg: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/thermal/sysfs-api.txt;h=b61e46f449aa1e0bf376de21ddf2eec55c196a39;hb=HEAD#l152
[15:01] <craigbass1976> !perl
[15:02] <Jafar> hi ! is it possible to repackage his own Ubuntu based distro by specifiny automatically the mount tables?
[15:02] <dalekleader> does home encryption only work if home is on it's own partition?
[15:02] <ohsix> porg: that should suffice for reading and changing the settings, i'll keep looking for the tool that makes this less ugly
[15:02] <porg> ohsix: Thanks. I ll read that. But before that a question. Is this the interface for accessing fan control? (Not very GUI user friendly...)
[15:03] <ohsix> porg: you haven't changed the cpu governor or pinned it to an operating speed have you?
[15:03] <porg> ohsix: I would not even know how...
[15:03] <ohsix> porg: it controls the thermal zones and the cooling devices for those zones; so yes
[15:03] <porg> ohsix: I know nothing about Ubuntu and power management so far...
[15:03] <ohsix> porg: well if you don't know then you probably haven't ;]
[15:04] <sipior> !paste > frank_
[15:05] <porg> ohsix: Is there no easier way...? I really should spend mz time differently. Reading hours of manpages, complicatedly accessing settings through  /sys/devices, all this only for power management... Is there no easier way?
[15:06] <ohsix> porg: the important reason to look here is because it expresses almost directly what the bios/acpi says is the proper arrangement
[15:06] <sr_> hello
[15:06] <JoeCoolDesk> I'm trying to transfer friles from one machine to another over the network.  First attempt: SSH-FTP.  What's the default password for the liveCD?
[15:06] <ohsix> porg: well, there are easier ways but they wont find, and probably wont solve your problem
[15:07] <bastidrazor> JoeCoolDesk: there is no password on the liveCD
[15:07] <ohsix> JoeCoolDesk: there isn't one, and you won't be able to ssh without one, so set one :]
[15:07] <craigbass1976> JoeCoolDesk, I dont' think there is one.  I'm also pretty sure you'd have to first install openssh-server on the one giving out the files
[15:08] <frank_> sipior: eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 18:a9:05:1f:21:cd
[15:08] <frank_>           inet addr:192.168.1.3  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[15:08] <frank_>           UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[15:08] <frank_>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[15:08] <frank_>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[15:08] <frank_>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[15:08] <JoeCoolDesk> I have installed openssh-server.  How do I cahnge the pass?
[15:08] <frank_>           RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
[15:08] <Jafar> :s
[15:08] <frank_>           Interrupt:42 Base address:0xe000
[15:08] <ua> how can i know if iam in 32b or 64b? thank you
[15:08] <frank_> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
[15:08] <ohsix> JoeCoolDesk: passwd
[15:08] <sipior> frank_: that's not a pastebin :-)
[15:08] <Jafar> hi ! is it possible to repackage his own Ubuntu based distro by specifiny automatically the mount tables?
[15:08] <Raydiation> why does apt-get update fail on lucid? http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/main/i18n/Translation-de.bz2
[15:08] <JoeCoolDesk> ohsix, will try
[15:08] <ohsix> JoeCoolDesk: or the applet in the Administration menu
[15:08] <bastidrazor> ua: type uname -m
[15:08] <ohsix> (Users and Groups)
[15:08] <Pici> frank_: You didn't. Please paste your data on http://paste.ubuntu.com  and then give us the link
[15:09] <sipior> Jafar: the mount tables of what, exactly?
[15:09] <terry> frank_: install pastebinit
[15:09] <frank_> sorry guys, here's the link: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589279/
[15:09] <porg> ohsix: Ok, cat /sys/devices/virtual/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp  : 57000
[15:09]  * alex88 nice to have ignored joins/part in this chan xD
[15:10] <Jafar> sipior: then the user boots on my own cd, it creates the partitions as I specified (for example 5GB for /, 1GB for swap etc..) without asks the user
[15:10] <ohsix> porg: its important to remember that you shouldn't ever be expected to be looking at, or messing with this; but bios bugs exist
[15:10] <porg> The same what the GUI Xsensors reports
[15:10] <sipior> frank_: odd that the interface is not running. do you happen to have another network interface on that machine?
[15:10] <ohsix> porg: you're interested in the trip points and what they do with the cdevs (cooling devices)
[15:10] <porg> ohsix: So is 57 C enough that this fan rotates like an aircraft???
[15:11] <sipior> frank_: also, is it possible to ping that interface from the machine itself (ping 192.168.1.3)
[15:11] <Dr_Willis> porg:  that # may not be a direct Degrees C reading.
[15:11] <terry> frank_: is that the server or the client?
[15:12] <bastidrazor> porg: 57C is fairly warm.. i wouldn't want a box running that hot. a gpu maybe but not processor
[15:12] <terry> frank_: never mind.... wrong nic
[15:12] <porg> Dr_Willis: But very likely, would be to much of a coincidence that the /device stuff and xsensors read not both 57
[15:12] <frank_> sipior: no other interfaces on the machine. I just had it ping itself and it seems to be endlessly pinging
[15:13] <frank_> sipior: the pings are just scrolling through the terminal window
[15:13] <sipior> frank_: that's good. now, let's get your route set up.
[15:13] <porg> Ok, now I know the temp is 57, and you say that the fan runs for a good reason, so next step is to determine why it gets that hot.
[15:13] <ohsix> porg: look at this for an example of what i mean;  "passive" is when my fan is off http://paste.ubuntu.com/589280/
[15:13] <porg> And look at the system load
[15:13] <sipior> frank_: what's the address of your router on this network?
[15:13] <ohsix> porg: yep :] it is a good reason
[15:13] <ohsix> but at 57 mine would still be passive, given my example
[15:13] <porg> CPU runs between 10 and 20 percent
[15:14] <terry> frank_: Ctrl-c  to stop the pinging
[15:14] <ohsix> porg: that is a LOT
[15:14] <frank_> sipior: not sure abou tthe address of the router
[15:14] <terry> frank_: route -n
[15:14] <frank_> terry: thanks for the tip
[15:14] <terry> frank_: route -n  | pastebinit
[15:15] <ohsix> porg: install htop (sudo apt-get install htop) then run it and sort by cpu usage (F6 then pick cpu%)
[15:15] <sipior> frank_: does "ping 192.168.1.1" return anything?
[15:15] <frank_> destination: 192.168.1.0, gateway:0.0.0.0, Genmask: 255.255.255.0, Flags: U, Metric: 0, Ref: 0, Use Iface: 0 eth0
[15:15] <ohsix> porg: this is also from a terminal, you could use System Monitor if you wish
[15:15] <terry> sipior: Yes, he said it pings itself fine.
[15:15] <sipior> terry: 192.168.1.1 is not "itself".
[15:16] <ohsix> porg: System -> Administration -> System Monitor
[15:16] <porg> ohsix: System monitor processes sorted by CPU usage give firefox 5%, and the monitor itself 8%
[15:16] <terry> sipior: Ok yea I see.
[15:16] <frank_> sipior / terry: seems to be able to ping itself
[15:16] <ohsix> porg: do you have like an old 1.2ghz pentium-m?
[15:16] <porg> ohsix: wait a momemt, i ll determine
[15:17] <ohsix> thanks
[15:17] <frank_> sipior: when I ran route -n the destination was: 192.168.1.0
[15:17] <porg> ohsix: m processor 2 ghz
[15:17] <sipior> frank_: does 192.168.1.1 answer?
[15:17] <terry> frank_: What is the gateway IP address?
[15:17] <porg> ohsix: Thanks for all this detailed assessment, but i think it's going into the wriong direction
[15:17] <ohsix> porg: ok, so that is still high but not alarming, your cpu might be running at its lowest speed; since it changes to suit the load
[15:18] <frank_> sipior: gateway said: 0.0.0.0
[15:18] <ohsix> porg: do you use flashblock?
[15:18] <porg> ohsix: Right
[15:18] <sipior> frank_: does 192.168.1.1 answer?
[15:18] <terry> sipior: He said it pinged.
[15:18] <porg> ohsix: Please stop all this details. I can assure you. Even when the laptop is totally idle, the fan runs wild.
[15:18] <frank_> no
[15:19] <sipior> terry: he did not. stop confusing the issue. you're in the way.
[15:19] <porg> ohsix: I certainly value your kind effort! I do not want to be inpolite!
[15:19] <ohsix> porg: or does firefox take more than 60% of the physical memory of the machine in the output of smem (you'll need to install that too)
[15:19] <porg> ohsix: But let s speed evaluation up a bit.
[15:19] <Dr_Willis> porg:  how old is this laptop anyway?
[15:19] <ouyes> is there any fast file search tool? the tool comes with the distro is too slow
[15:19] <porg> ohsix: 5 years
[15:19] <IronHalik> how can i supply my ssh connection via terminal any different username then my ubuntu box username? :>
[15:19] <popey> ssh user@host
[15:19] <IronHalik> ah got it
[15:19] <IronHalik> thx
[15:19] <popey> np
[15:19] <Dr_Willis> ouyes:  locate - is  commonly used
[15:20] <pcpower> find / -name 'somefile'   is as fast as you're probably going to get
[15:20] <Pici> !netsplit
[15:20] <sipior> this is getting decidedly tedious.
[15:20] <pcpower> without a database (ala locate)
[15:20] <Jafar> hi ! is it possible to repackage his own Ubuntu based distro by specifiny automatically the partitions (size) ?
[15:20] <ohsix> porg: if firefox is usin that much cpu you have a huge session & not much memory for it, or something else is going on; firefox can keeo your hd awake & active quite a bit in that situation too; raising hd & overall system temperature
[15:20] <frank_> sipior: 192.168.1.1 does not answer
[15:20] <Dr_Willis> ouyes:  depends on what you are searching for and how often the 'fileysstem' changes. :)
[15:20] <Dr_Willis> pcpower:  time to use find then.
[15:21] <sipior> frank_: thank you. could you pastebin "arp -a"?
[15:21] <terry> frank_: what is listed as a gateway address?
[15:21] <frank_> sipior: 192.168.1.0 (the destination in route -n) does not answer either
[15:21] <trancegeek> does the aero-like window snapping that ubuntu 11.04 has work in 10.10?
[15:21] <sipior> frank_: sorry, make that "arp -an"
[15:21] <frank_> terry: gateway address is: 0.0.0.0
[15:21] <trancegeek> i believe it's a feature of one of the recent versions of gnome, so i guess i'm asking if 10.10 has that version of gnome yet
[15:21] <sipior> frank_: 192.168.1.0 is not a host address, i didn't expect an answer :-)
[15:21] <Dr_Willis> trancegeek:  i think its tecnically a compiz setting/feature. so in theory you could get it going in 10.10
[15:21] <ohsix> porg: well the laborous discovery is just so you see what i was considering when you were wondering what it was and waxing idiotic about powersaved and ubuntu "the OS" bing a problem :P
[15:21] <porg> ohsix: firefox does not constantly use 9%. Mostly 0, only occasionally jumpts to 9%
[15:21] <trancegeek> dr_willis, i don't have compiz
[15:21] <ohsix> porg: ok
[15:21] <Dr_Willis> trancegeek:  i dident notice it working when  i had compiz disabled.
[15:21] <trancegeek> at least i don't think i do, and if i do, i haven't set it up
[15:21] <terry> frank_: that is not a valid gateway address.  Look again.
[15:21] <JoeCoolDesk> ohsix, had to create a new user to have a password, but that worked.
[15:21] <terry> frank_: Bottom line.
[15:22] <terry> frank_: route -n
[15:22] <ohsix> JoeCoolDesk: weird, but ok, i had no problem settin the pass for "ubuntu" last time i needed to do it, but that might have changed
[15:22] <porg> ohsix: I think it is much more related to the setting balance between endurance/performance
[15:22] <trancegeek> how would i check if compiz is installed? i'm on a pretty clean version of 11.04
[15:23] <trancegeek> i know i didn't install or configure it, and i haven't seen the menus that are normally there, nor do i have restricted drivers enabled
[15:23] <popey> trancegeek: 11.04 comes with compiz, but you could "dpkg -l "*compiz*"
[15:23] <Dr_Willis> trancegeek:  its installed by default. and used by default if you ot hte drivers setup. See #ubuntu+1
[15:23] <trancegeek> so i have a feeling it's part of gnome
[15:23] <terry> frank_: What happens when you run dhclient eth0  ?
[15:23] <porg> ohsix: which under windows with toshiba s utilitys can easily be set, and the noise reduction can be heard immediately
[15:23] <ohsix> porg: those are windows terms they made up to gloss over their power management settings :\
[15:23] <ohsix> the toshiba utility might be lowering the cpu voltage too
[15:23] <trancegeek> my question isn't about 11.04 though really, otherwise i'd ask in +1
[15:23] <terry>  frank_ sudo dhclient eth0
[15:24] <popey> trancegeek: it's installed by default, you have it whether you're running unity or not
[15:24] <trancegeek> ok popey
[15:24] <trancegeek> idc about compiz really
[15:24] <Dr_Willis> trancegeek:  disable compiz/ see if it still works..
[15:24] <BluesKaj> JoeCoolDesk, I'm  considering doin the same  ..so you're saying the existing pw on the source drive wasn't acceptable ?
[15:24] <ohsix> porg: momento, there are ways to tell the cpu governor to do what you ask as a tradeoff for performance
[15:24] <trancegeek> i just want to know if the aero-like window snapping that works in 11.04 by default works in 10.10 now, whether with compiz, gnome, or whatever enables it, and i don't want the hacked together way that's on ubuntu forums, that one didn't work well for me
[15:25] <frank_> sipior / terry: I'm dumping all that into a pastebin, one sec
[15:25] <porg> ohsix: Yes, no we are going into the direction...
[15:25] <Jafar> hi ! is it possible to repackage his own Ubuntu based distro by specifiny automatically the partitions (size) ?
[15:25] <porg> ohsix: eventually!
[15:25] <Dr_Willis> trancegeek:  its a feature that i imagine is not going to get backported any time soon.  so i would say 'no'
[15:25] <ohsix> trancegeek: i did not see the plugin to do that on 10.10
[15:25] <trancegeek> i see
[15:25] <trancegeek> darn
[15:25] <trancegeek> lol
[15:25] <ohsix> trancegeek: on 11.04 it was added to the snap plugin
[15:25] <Dr_Willis> trancegeek:  You could perhaps find updated/ppa/backports of compiz and gnome for  the older release that have the feature.
[15:25] <trancegeek> i see
[15:26] <Combatjuan> I'd like some help building a .deb.  I'm following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete.  But the .deb I create doesn't appear to contain the actual files (it's too small).
[15:26] <trancegeek> i guess i'd rather stay on 11.04
[15:26] <trancegeek> just want to use classic instead of unity
[15:26] <ohsix> it might be in 10.10 but i def overlooked, install compizconfig-settings-manager and look around
[15:26] <sipior> Jafar: you'll want preseeding. have a look here for examples: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/installation-guide/powerpc/appendix-preseed.html
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> trancegeek:  i imagine there will be a LOT of people that perfer the classic.
[15:27] <Pici> Combatjuan: Try #ubuntu-packaging for packaging specific help :)
[15:27] <yura__> any 8-16 bit radio stream for 64kbs?/mobile
[15:27] <Combatjuan> Pici: Awesome.  Thanks.
[15:27] <ohsix> porg: have you tried powertop? it tells you whats waking up the cpu & what voltage / p/c-state the cpu is in
[15:27] <Jafar> sipior: thx for the clue
[15:27] <Pici> Combatjuan: Its not as busy as here, but you're more likely to have your question answered.
[15:27] <frank_> sipior / terry: Here's the pastebin address: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589284/
[15:27] <trancegeek> yeah willis
[15:27] <ohsix> Dr_Willis: unity is a bit better than the old netbook stuff with maximus :P
[15:27] <trancegeek> i liked unity at first
[15:27] <trancegeek> but...
[15:27] <trancegeek> idk
[15:28] <frank_> sipior: arp -an didn't seem to do anything
[15:28] <trancegeek> it's too clunky?
[15:28] <sipior> frank_: you have other machines on this network?
[15:28] <Dr_Willis> ohsix:  thats like saying   the a broken leg is better then a broken arm. :)
[15:28] <rigved> hi everyone...can anyone tell me how to make a 3g call using the PC, which is connected to a 3g network via a 3g data card? is there some software available for this?
[15:28] <trancegeek> dr_willis, no
[15:28] <trancegeek> it's more like saying a broken arm is better than a broken leg
[15:29] <frank_> sipior: the computer I'm using now is running through the same router. Usually, I don't use a router, I plug the desktop directly into the cable modem. I just set up the router so I coudl troubleshoot
[15:29] <trancegeek> because a broken leg is worse than a broken arm in my eyes, but it still sucks
[15:29] <shadow420> I am trying to setup a mailserver using postfix/dovecot but when I telnet into it and test it and don't see auth login and auth=login any ideas?
[15:29]  * Dr_Willis breaks a move.
[15:29] <sipior> frank_: get the network information from the computer you're using now.
[15:29] <porg> ohsix: It all leads to nothing. The same I tried back on the MacBookPro, which has far more processing power. Really this evaluation is tiring me. I am close to give up, and just accept the truth to me that Ubuntu is quite nice for many thing, but regaridngg supporting individual computers specific power settings, it s a pain in the ar**
[15:29] <frank_> will do
[15:29] <sipior> frank_: the 192.168.1/24 network is clearly not correct.
[15:30] <ohsix> porg: well this toshiba tool could be doing a lot of things, you'll need to approximate whatever it _is_ doing to expect the same
[15:30] <porg> ohsix: There is no workload problem. I tell you that my suspicion is that the fan runs far faster than what would be necesarry, and that I only want to set some limit values eomwhere.
[15:30] <terrid> Hi all
[15:31] <abahkaiyisah> hi terrid
[15:31] <frank_> sipior: how do I fix that?
[15:31] <ohsix> porg: those limits are in the thermal zone trip points for "passive" and the zone above it
[15:31] <Evanescence> how to install package live-initramfs ; I can not find it in apt-get
[15:31] <sipior> frank_: still waiting on the network information from your current machine.
[15:31] <terrid> I have just tried to downgrade my PHP version from 5.3 to 5.2 using the script here: http://mrkandy.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/install-php-5-2-x-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid/
[15:31] <ohsix> porg: but those thermal zones are picked by the manufacturer, it would not be wise to change them for this
[15:31] <abahkaiyisah> how can , internet reach my virtual box server
[15:31] <porg> ohsix: toshset  returned: required kernel toshiba support not enabled.
[15:31] <ente1> hey,  (ubuntu 8.04) "/etc/init.d/networking restart" throws me an error "/etc/init.d/ntp: 76: cannot open /dev/console: Permission denied" -  to restart the ntp process directly is possible - any idea, why the error occurs?
[15:31] <ohsix> porg: toshset does other things
[15:32] <terry> frank_: It is possible you have a hardware problem.  Is the cat5 cable ok?
[15:32] <terrid> but whenever i try using apt-get i get the following error: E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences.d/php, no Package header
[15:32] <terrid> does anyone have any ideas?
[15:32] <porg> So maybe the kernel or its extension need some toshiba specific modification?
[15:32] <ohsix> porg: powertop will tell you why its not at the lowest voltage/frequency
[15:32] <frank_> sipior: pastebin for working computer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589288/
[15:32] <laszlok> Anyone know what community members are supposed to put under "Who is your attendance requested by" for registering for UDS?
[15:32] <frank_> sipior: i've tried more than one cable, none work
[15:32] <terry> frank_: How are you connected to this machine?
[15:33] <porg> ohsix: ok, i ll give that a try. would be impolite not to take your greatful help
[15:33] <shadow42085> hey I am trying to setup a mailserver using postfix/dovecot and i can't seam to set auth login and auth=login in telnet showing up
[15:33] <ohsix> porg: no, you'd change the frequency governor to do what that toshiba tool does, but it will not lower the voltage; you need to look for another tool to do that
[15:33] <Pici> laszlok: I don't remember that field, you may want to try asking in #ubuntu-community-team
[15:33] <laszlok> thanks Pici
[15:33] <porg> ohsix: generous i meant
[15:33] <sipior> frank_: well, the network information looks fine here. leaning towards a problem with the card itself, i'm afraid.
[15:34] <alex88> Evanescence: ubuntu version?
[15:34] <frank_> terry: The problem computer (desktop) is usually plugged into the cable modem. Since it's not working, I set up a router and plugged my laptop into it, so both machines could be wired at the same time
[15:34] <Evanescence> alex88: yes
[15:34] <frank_> sipior: it worked fine yesterday, any idea what could have caused that?
[15:34] <Evanescence> alex88: Is there other way to install this package ?
[15:34] <alex88> Evanescence: no, sorry..what's the ubuntu version? :)
[15:35] <ohsix> porg: i don't think you can undervolt without a kernel patch to do it :[
[15:35] <shadow42085> hey I am trying to setup a mailserver using postfix/dovecot and i can't seam to set auth login and auth=login in telnet showing up
[15:35] <frank_> sipior: when I plug a the cable into the ethernet port in the computer, the green light on the ethernet card comes on, it seems to know there's a wire in there, but Ubuntut doesn't get the message
[15:35] <terry> frank_: So the laptop is connecting to the internet and you are on it now?
[15:35] <Evanescence> alex88: 10.10
[15:35] <frank_> terry: yes
[15:35] <sipior> frank_: ethernet cards usually have a very long life, but dodgy power could cause problems. also, have you checked that the card is seated firmly in its slot?
[15:35] <febin> yes
[15:35] <LeaoX> am not connecting ?
[15:36] <shadow42085> hey I am trying to setup a mailserver using postfix/dovecot and i can't seam to get auth login and auth=login in telnet to show up  any ideas?
[15:36] <frank_> sipior: haven't checked the card's slot yet
[15:36] <JoeCoolDesk> BluesKaj, I'm using a LiveCD to access a dual boot system.  The default user on the livecd wasn't workign so I created a new one with a password which I used to SSH into.
[15:36] <porg> ohsix: powertop output http://paste.ubuntu.com/589289/
[15:36] <sipior> frank_: ah, the connection light is blinking. hmm, so much for that theory.
[15:36] <terry> frank_: And you can connnect to the other computer from the laptop?
[15:36] <alex88> Evanescence: maverick right?
[15:36] <Evanescence> alex88: yes
[15:36] <MoMo2> I have a large amount of .rar archives.  Is there a way to enumerate all their contents into a file so i can see everything that is archived, but not actually unpack anything?
[15:37] <porg> ohsix: Shall I run the test over a longer interval?
[15:37] <niles|iPod> MoMo2: Dont use rar :)
[15:37] <frank_> terry: I havn't tried to connect to the other computer with the laptop, I just plugged it into the router so I could get online
[15:37] <MoMo2> =P
[15:37] <alex88> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=live-initramfs you're true..there is no package only in maverick.. you shuold try lucid and if don't work try natty
[15:37] <alex88> package version
[15:37] <ohsix> porg: ok, it probably should run a bit longer to get more accurate statistics
[15:37] <ayecee_> MoMo2: rar/unrar almost certainly has a "test" option that will show the contents and verify the package integrity, does that help?
[15:38] <MoMo2> ayecee_: i might be able to make some magic from that -- thx
[15:38] <BluesKaj> JoeCoolDesk,  ok thanks for clearing that up for me. I'll keep that in mind when I backup my /home dir when I have to install W7.
[15:38] <meganerd> MoMo2: from the command line "for each in *.rar ; do unrar l "$each" >> list_of_files.txt ; done"
[15:38] <ente1> hey,  (ubuntu 8.04) "/etc/init.d/networking restart" throws me an error "/etc/init.d/ntp: 76: cannot open /dev/console: Permission denied" -  to restart the ntp process directly is possible - any idea, why the error occurs?
[15:38] <terry> frank_: How were you able to send this info?:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/589279/  &  http://paste.ubuntu.com/589284/
[15:38] <frank_> using the laptop
[15:38] <Evanescence> alex88: I do not know, just install that package
[15:38] <MoMo2> meganerd, lol you took all the fun out of it -- nice fu though
[15:39] <ohsix> porg: try powertop -d -t 120, it will wait for 2 minutes then generate a report
[15:39] <frank_> terry: my laptop is plugged into the router right now. I usually don't use a router, I just go straight from the cable modem to the desktop
[15:39] <Evanescence> alex88: why different ubuntu version has different package version ?
[15:39] <porg> ohsix: I did -t 60 but the bastard ignored my argument and simply used the defauolt 5 sec, but i try again with -d
[15:39] <ohsix> ente1: the user you're restarting it from apparently can't access the console; or ntp as its user cant
[15:40] <Dr_Willis> ente1:  try using the 'service' command. not the init.d/ method
[15:40] <meganerd> MoMo2: that assumed that all rar files are in the same directory, an alternative approach would be to use find: "find /path/to/search/ -iname \*.rar -exec unrar l \{\} >> /path/to/index.txt \;"
[15:40] <porg> ohsix: Test runs, while this I only use that chat and open/close some tabs
[15:41] <porg> ohsix: Looking fwd to that stats
[15:41] <alex88> Evanescence: that's normal..older ubuntu version doesn't use lastest packages.. just if needed by security.. just download the lucid one and try..why you need that?
[15:41] <meganerd> MoMo2: heh, I spend a lot of time in the CLI.  You can take it a lot further if you want some fun :)
[15:42] <MoMo2> meganerd: this worked awesome -- i aspire to have your skills, mine would have looked worse
[15:42] <Evanescence> alex88: I am searching some package about initram , then install them , then check the dependence
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, for some reason the service command won't work with my wsb wifi adapter, but the init.d does
[15:42] <meganerd> MoMo2: just lots of practice, nothing magical.  I have had a Unix CLI since '94...
[15:42] <alex88> Evanescence: you can just click to the distro in that page and see the deps
[15:42] <Pici> Evanescence: live-initramfs is a virtual package,
[15:42] <BluesKaj> wsb=usb
[15:43] <ohsix> porg: even with that small sample, it's pointing at the lack of undervolting :\
[15:43] <Evanescence> Pici: what is that ? virtual package ?
[15:43] <alex88> Pici: why it's included in all distro but not in maverick?
[15:43] <Pici> alex88: I don't know.
[15:43] <ente1> Dr_Willis: "-bash: service: command not found" ;-) its ubuntu 8.04
[15:43] <frank_> sipior / terry: any other ideas? is there any way to just reset all of Ubuntu's network connections entirely?
[15:43] <meganerd> MoMo2: one thing to remember is that that the >> just appends to the text file, if you are putting this into a cronjob, you may want to zero out the file or move it out of the way.  There are lots of examples on the net for this.
[15:44] <Evanescence> alex88: that package is included at other distro ?
[15:44] <MoMo2> yeah i just got to get the for loops -- i really blame lack of projects =P
[15:44] <ohsix> alex88: all ubuntu distros? or what, you can probably find the reason it was removed in its removal request, you might have to go to debians BTS to find it
[15:45] <frank_> is there any way to reset all of Ubuntu's network connections?
[15:45] <benzaldehyde> frank_: maybe /etc/inti.d/networking restart
[15:45] <benzaldehyde> *init.d
[15:45] <frank_> benzaldehyde: thanks
[15:46] <benzaldehyde> frank_: your welcome
[15:46] <benzaldehyde> *you're
[15:46] <Viliny> Hello, is it possible to flip a 32-bit ubuntu installation into using 64 bits? like replacing all applications with 64 ones and flipping the kernel?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> frank_, just curious , what kind of wifi device are using for your internet interface with the laptop ?
[15:46] <nascentmind> Hi. How do I make fluxbox get the background set by styles? Right now I am getting the background set by kdm.
[15:46] <sipior> frank_: out of curiosity, have you tried plugging the cable that is currently plugged in to your desktop, into your laptop?
[15:47] <sipior> Viliny: not easily, i'm afraid. vastly simpler to install again.
[15:47] <frank_> sipior: yes, I tried that, didn't work
[15:47] <Viliny> alright, thank you sipior
[15:47] <porg> ohsix: The test run into the terminal stdout, the buffer to small to read all, so currently i repeat, and redirect output to a file
[15:47] <sipior> frank_: ah, that's interesting! are there multiple ports on this router of yours?
[15:47] <ohsix> porg: ok
[15:47] <frank_> BluesKaj: right now I'm using a wired connection. The wireless card in the laptop is whatever came with it. It's a Dell E1705
[15:47] <porg> ohsix: some patience, soon finished
[15:47] <frank_> sipior: yes
[15:48] <sipior> frank_: try another one :-)
[15:48] <sipior> frank_: or have you done already?
[15:48] <porg> ohsix: Stats are here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589297/
[15:48] <terry> frank_: So you are connecting to the internet via wifi?  (on the laptop?)
[15:48] <alex88> ohsix: well it's included in pre-maverick and natty..
[15:48] <alex88> Evanescence: it is in debian
[15:48] <alex88> afaik
[15:49] <ohsix> alex88: in sid?
[15:49] <Evanescence> alex88: Oho.... So can I download it with *.deb , then install it in ubuntu ? then apt-get build-deb live-initramfs to complete the dependence ?
[15:50] <porg> ohsix: Interesting suggestions from powertop...
[15:50] <ohsix> Evanescence: not a good idea ...
[15:50] <BluesKaj> frank_, no I mean to what wifi device is the laptop wifi connecting ?
[15:50] <ohsix> porg: you can't trust the suggestionis from powertop 1.x much anymore
[15:50] <terry> frank_: What kind of rotuer is it?  Is the cable modem plugged into the router's WAN port?  Is the router conneced to a wireless router?  Is this another wireless router? Or YOURS?
[15:50] <Evanescence> ohsix: so tar.gz ? do you have some good idea ?
[15:50] <alex88> Evanescence: sure, in that page i've linked you, you can download the deb after selecting ubuntu version and architecture..
[15:50] <alex88> ohsix: dunno..probably..i haven't searched.. it's Evanescence that need it :)
[15:51] <MarconM> how i can to be invited to channel #openbox ??
[15:51] <ohsix> alex88: right, i was speaking to finding out why it disappeared :]
[15:51] <porg> ohsix: Ok, what essence do you read from this report?
[15:51] <ohsix> alex88: which was your query
[15:51] <ohsix> porg: sec,
[15:51] <porg> ohsix: What must we change to have less fan noise?
[15:51] <porg> ohsix: Ok, I wait.
[15:53] <alex88> ohsix: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=live-initramfs
[15:53] <porg> ohsix: You are a nice person! Btw is "ohsix" a phonetic alias to "(Mac) OS X" ?
[15:53] <Kartagis> !find telnet
[15:53] <ohsix> porg: thats a lot of syslog writes for the test period, but that all looks fine
[15:53] <terry> I think we lost frank  He is probably plugging things in differently.  I think his problem is that he did not have things plugged in right.
[15:54] <porg> ohsix: It is a fresh ubuntu install with almost no sw additions so far (only vlc, smartmontools, some games)
[15:54] <ohsix> porg: nah, my old nick was O_6, like a face; when i started using multiple irc clients while i was transitioning to screen/BX (irc client) i needed an alternate name, this is less confusing and people can actually say it one way
[15:54] <frank_> sipior: i was just disconnected, so I missed anything you might have said, could you repost?
[15:55] <sipior> frank_: hadn't said anything. have you tried using another router port?
[15:55] <frank_> sipior: yes and I also tried going directly from the modem to the computer
[15:55] <ohsix> porg: i think any real temperature difference is in that toshiba tool undervolting the cpu; which is a dead end :\
[15:55] <terry> frank_: What kind of rotuer is it?  Is the cable modem plugged into the router's WAN port?  Is the router conneced to a wireless router?  Is this another wireless router? Or YOURS?
[15:55] <porg> ohsix: Nice nick. Ok, back to the topic.
[15:55] <ohsix> porg: can you paste the output of tail -f 100 /var/log/syslog to a pastebin?
[15:56] <BBgamer> Hey, can i get some help here?
[15:56] <andrey_wood> hi Guys, i would need an advice. I have a script running on ubuntu that generates a 6 digit number each minute, trying to find a way to make this number available for some users who are not in my network, was thinking on posting on dpaste or similar service but did not find one that can have a static url and be updatable. also was thinking of a mailbox to send this number but have no configured mailserver in the environment. any 
[15:56] <frank_> terry: right now, the cable modem is plugged into the router (a Linksys BEFSR41), and both comptuers are plugged into the router
[15:56] <terry> frank_: You need to describe the connections and equipment that you have.  It is possible that you have something miss-configured in the netwrok connections.
[15:56] <BBgamer> Anyone?
[15:56] <BBgamer> Well
[15:57] <ohsix> porg: er not -f, sec
[15:57] <sipior> BBgamer: we're waiting to hear a question, i believe.
[15:57]  * alex88 *facepalm*
[15:57] <ohsix> porg: tail -n 100
[15:57] <frank_> terry: yesterday it all worked fine, suddenly today it doesn't work
[15:57] <DJones> BBgamer: Ask your question, if somebody can help, they'll jump in if they've got time
[15:57] <terry> frank_: But yet, the laptop is connected via wireless connection.  Right?
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> andrey_wood: could echo it to a file, then rsync it to the users needing it. Or you could use dropbox ;)
[15:57] <frank_> terry: no wireless. The laptop is wired into the router
[15:57] <porg> ohsix: already encountered the error, was looking in manopage for correct arg, thx 4 ur hint
[15:57] <frank_> terry: I don't have a wireless connection here
[15:57] <terry> frank_: Oh ok
[15:58] <Kruptein> what's the best:  upgrading to the ubuntu beta now and then update any additional packages afterwards or waiting for the official to be released somewhere today?
 tnx will give it a try ))
[15:58] <Polah> Get latest stable and upgrade to 11.04 when it is release
[15:58] <BBgamer> I am currently running Ubuntu 10.10 on my desktop PC, and sometimes when I reboot, I can see all local networks except mine. It sometimes sees it if I keep waiting for a while, but not instantly. (About 5 mins).
[15:58] <terry> frank_: What is the laptop's IP information?  i.e. IP address, gateway, nameserver
[15:58] <sipior> Kruptein: unless you're planning on submitting bug reports, wait for the final version in a few weeks.
[15:58] <Kruptein> hm okay
[15:58] <frank_> terry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589288/
[15:59] <porg> ohsix: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589300/
[15:59] <ohsix> porg: ah-ha
[15:59] <cipher_> Is the ubuntu kernel still 100mhz?
[15:59] <porg> ohsix: What is it? Found the troublemaker?
[15:59] <BBgamer> Question: I am currently running Ubuntu 10.10 on my desktop PC, and sometimes when I reboot, I can see all wireless networks except mine. When I first installed, it saw it every reboot, but now I have to wait 5 minutes or so just for Ubuntu to even see it in the first place. I have a Linksys WUSB54GS v2.
[15:59] <ohsix> porg: no solution to your temp problem, but that bluetooth message indicates another problem
[16:00] <alex88> is just me or freenode is slow? after a bit of no msg i get lot of msg in few secs... or you guys just type at lightspeed? :)
[16:00] <terry> frank_: pastebinit /etc/resolv.conf
[16:00] <cipher_> alex88, yes it is
[16:00] <Elfix> alex88: seems freenode's been lagging for a few hours
[16:00] <Pici> alex88: freenode is having some issues today.
[16:00] <cipher_> lol
[16:00] <ohsix> porg: postfix is also running commands fast enough, producing errors, that its restart is being throttled
[16:00] <cipher_> Well i just want to know if i can safely move to a 1000mhz kernel
[16:00] <porg> ohsix: Let's focus on the fan issue
[16:01] <benzaldehyde> frank_: it's probably your internet service provider being picky about the MAC address, unplug the router and modem then put them together. sometimes i open up a firefox location directly to my router 192.168.1.1 change the MAC address, save, open up another tab to the modem 192.168.100.1 restart it and get a new ip, then go to your device sudo ifconfig eth0 up, sudo dhclient eth0
[16:01] <Pici> alex88: You may want to try re-connecting to get a better linked serve
[16:01] <terry> frank_: Try this (on the PC with problem):  sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.101 ;  ping -c 192.168.1.1
[16:01] <BBgamer> Question: I am currently running Ubuntu 10.10 on my desktop PC, and sometimes when I reboot, I can see all wireless networks except mine. When I first installed, it saw it every reboot, but now I have to wait 5 minutes or so just for Ubuntu to even see it in the first place. I have a Linksys WUSB54GS v2.
[16:01] <alex88> Pici: i'll do thank you..
[16:01] <porg> ohsix: Just want to remind you that this is a totally fresh Ubuntu, so all faults are there far all users! Not my custom fuckup...
[16:02] <terry> frank_: Try this (on the PC with problem):  sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.101 ;  ping -c 3 192.168.1.1
[16:02] <frank_> terry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589304/
[16:02] <porg> ohsix: BT is set to off in the menu bar icon
[16:02] <BBgamer> Can someone help me?
[16:02] <terry> frank_: Sorry first one was typo
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> porg: are you fully updated?
[16:02] <IdleOne> porg: Please keep the language family friendly
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> BBgamer: when the wirelesses are finally availabel, run:  dmesg | tail     it may give clues
[16:03] <porg> ohsix: If the backend fails, then that's not a "user land problem"
[16:03] <ohsix> porg: theres no postfix installed by default
[16:03] <terry> frank_: Is your laptop connected to the cable modem?
[16:03] <porg> to all: Sorry for my inappropriate term usage... ;-) Back to Oxford English mode.
[16:03] <BBgamer> ActionParsnip
[16:03] <frank_> terry: the laptop and the desktop are both plugged into the router
[16:03] <BBgamer> ben@iforge-ubuntu:~$ dmesg | tail
[16:03] <BBgamer> [  831.515943] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Add. Sense: Incompatible medium installed
[16:03] <BBgamer> [  832.531491] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Unit Not Ready
[16:03] <BBgamer> [  832.616143] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Add. Sense: Incompatible medium installed
[16:03] <BBgamer> [  832.679621] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Unit Not Ready
[16:03] <FloodBot2> BBgamer: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:03] <BBgamer> [  832.679624] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Medium Error [current]
[16:03] <IdleOne> !paste | BBgamer
[16:04] <porg> ohsix: I m telling you, it s a fresh install, plus some very few additions.
[16:04] <BBgamer> sorry ;d
[16:04] <coz_> porg,  what was the original issue?
[16:04] <BBgamer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589305/
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> BBgamer: is that immediately after the wireless access points become available?
[16:04] <porg> coz_: Fan noise on Toshiba Tecra M3
[16:05] <BBgamer> No, I'm on my network now
[16:05] <frank_> terry: this may be a dumb question, but in my network manager, my wired connection is labeled as: "Auto eth0", but I've been running these commands with eth0, would that make a difference?
[16:05] <ohsix> BBgamer: do you have power saving stuff enabled for your router? or reduced beacons, or is it wireless n
[16:05] <porg> coz_: in almost idle mode
[16:05] <ActionParsnip> BBgamer: did you even read what I wrote or did you just see the command and get excited????
[16:05] <deepak_> frank: how to change ubuntu usplash image
[16:05] <terry> frank_: So the router is a Linksys BEFSR41 ?
[16:05] <BBgamer> It's Wireless N
[16:05] <deepak_> how to change ubuntu logo
[16:06] <porg> ActionParsnip: In the Ubuntu Software center, i think i am up to date? Or shall I update anywhere else?
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> BBgamer: doesn't matter
[16:06] <ohsix> BBgamer: some channels don't allow direct probes from clients, if you are on one the client will have to wait and see a beacon, if you have ssid broadcasts off, it may take a very very long time
[16:06] <cipher_> i take it no one has any idea about replacing the kernel safely :(
[16:06] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: it does matter for what i was asking
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> porg: run: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -y upgrade; sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade
[16:06] <sipior> cipher_: what's keeping you from replacing the kernel?
[16:06] <terry> frank_: And the Linksys BEFSR41 is connected to the cable modem?
[16:06] <BBgamer> I've got SSID broadcasts on.
[16:06] <frank_> terry: yes, that's the router. Though, it wasn't working when I went straight from the cable modem either.
[16:06] <deepak_> heeeloo how to change ubuntu logo
[16:07] <ohsix> BBgamer: do you have mixed wireless b, n hardware?
[16:07] <benzaldehyde> frank_: eth0 is the wired device, wlan0 is the wireless. if you take a look at /etc/network/interfaces you can set the wireless manually and all that
[16:07] <frank_> terry: yes, the router is connected to the cable modem right now and this computer I'm currently using is plugged into the router
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> BBgamer: reboot and the SSID will not be seen, when it suddenly becomes available, run the command I gave
[16:07] <porg> ActionParsnip: System > Administration > Update Manager: There are no updates
[16:07] <frank_> benzaldehyde: i see, thanks
[16:07] <Dr_Willis> deepak_:  which logo where..
[16:07] <BBgamer> Ohsix: My router or my adapter?
[16:07] <deepak_> heelo  frank how to change ubuntu logo
[16:07] <terry> frank_: Some of the cable modems need to be restarted when a different PC or router is plugged into it.
[16:07] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: theres also a log for networkmanager with the same information
[16:08] <frank_> terry: yea, I did that a few times already this morning, restarted the modem and the router every time I moved cables around or tried something new
[16:08] <porg> ActionParsnip: Also uptodate within CLI
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> porg: I always use cli, especially in IRC a it is a text based environment :)
[16:08] <BBgamer> ActionParsnip: Will do now, thanks!
[16:08] <ohsix> BBgamer: devices on the same network/router; are you mixing b, n (g can matter too, but not like this)
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: not aware of that, I can only advise what I know :)
[16:08] <porg> ohsix: So what do we know so far from powertop and the sys log ?
[16:08] <terry> frank_: Ok here is your problem.  The Linksys BEFSR41 is a Cable Modem router and the way you are using it is as a switch. The cable modem will only allow one connection.
[16:08] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: ok he claimed you for his helper :]
[16:08] <leszek> x
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: fine with me :D
[16:08] <leszek> klxa
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> porg: so what is the issue again please?
[16:09] <porg> ohsix: I still am loyal to you! ;-)
[16:09] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: feel free to pm if you need a hand
[16:09] <ohsix> porg: like i said, no problem
[16:09] <porg> ActionParsnip just did some nice crosstalk.
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: thanks
[16:09] <frank_> terry: okay, but earlier this morning, the computer was plugged directly into the cable modem with no router in between, and it still didn't work
[16:09] <porg> I think I should stay with ohsix, we are very close to the solution i think
[16:09] <benzaldehyde> frank_: had an ethernet cable take a dump on me two days ago, fiberoptics is a bunch of glass strands or so am under the impression
[16:09] <ohsix> porg: but that stuff in your syslog isn't free, its keeping your harddrive on
[16:10] <BBgamer> It worked instantly when I rebooted.
[16:10] <ohsix> porg: i have no clue about the bluetooth message though
[16:10] <benzaldehyde> frank_: i.e. cables fail
[16:10] <porg> Ok, that for sure is not nice, and worth solving, but first i am about to solve the fan issue.
[16:10] <frank_> benzaldehyde: yea, that's happened to me in the past too. I've tried three different cables this morning and none work
[16:10] <BBgamer> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589309/
[16:10] <ohsix> BBgamer: want to know a neat trick? click on "available to all users" in the connection properties and it will connect way before you log on
[16:10] <terry> frank_: Now you can replace your cable modem with the Linksys BEFSR41 and use it correctly and then both machines will be able to connect. But the way you have it connected now, you will only be able to connect one machine at a time.  And the cable modem will need to be restarted if you switch.
[16:11] <porg> hi, test? is my inet connection still active?
[16:11] <BBgamer> Ohsix: Thanks, but I've already done that.
[16:11] <benzaldehyde> frank_: are all the lights on
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> BBgamer: that's only the drive being detected, no network info :(
[16:11] <porg> test ended. inet connection seems ok. sorry.
[16:11] <benzaldehyde> frank_: specifically, modem lights
[16:11] <ohsix> BBgamer: keen, i just want everyone to know it ;]
[16:11] <frank_> benzaldehyde: all the modem lights are on
[16:12] <terry> frank_: If you unplug the laptop from the router, the other machine will more than likely be able to connect but you will probably need to unplug the cable modem's power supply and re-connect it again.
[16:12] <benzaldehyde> frank you are connected then, it is just a matter of getting dhclient to issue you an ip
[16:12] <benzaldehyde> frank if the system sees the device
[16:12] <frank_> terry: that makes sense, the lights on the front of the router are only lit up for the port the laptop is plugged into to. But that doesn't explain why the desktop wouldn't work when I went straight from the modem to the computer with no router
[16:13] <terry> frank_: In other words, disconnect the laptop's cable, power cycle the cable modem and try again (with the other PC).
[16:13] <porg> ohsix: 1) How intense is my CPU load in relation to only using one user process? I think ok 2) How is the temp in relation to CPU usage? 3) How is the fan? Must we set any "tripoints", "govern  the cpu", etc?
[16:14] <porg> ohsix: I want to come to a conclusion. Is it possible with our knowledge, or do we need to assess further facts?
[16:14] <ohsix> porg: your powertop indicates all is normal; except there is something keeping your hard drive on all the time, writing to syslog very fast
[16:14] <ohsix> porg: every 5 seconds even for that bluetooth message
[16:14] <terry> frank_:  Your present configuration will not work. You have  2 choices:  1) Replace the Linksys BEFSR41 with a router.  2) Replace the cable modem with the Linksys BEFSR41
[16:14] <BluesKaj> frank_, how many input ports on the router ?
[16:15] <frank_> terry: okay, i'll try that. Do you have any thoughts on the situation I had before I set up the modem? Usually I go straight from the modem to the desktop with no router. It was working fine yesterday. Yesterday, it was fine
[16:15] <parkdriver> Hi everyone. Is there a special Ubuntu Server edition IRC channel?
[16:15] <bazhang> parkdriver, #ubuntu-server
[16:15] <frank_> terry: sorry, typo, "Before I set up the router." Prior to this, it went Modem > Desktop, with no router and still didtn' work
[16:15] <terry> frank_: Again.  Try it again but restart the cable modem.
[16:15] <benzaldehyde> frank_: it might actually, your modem is running from a MAC address given to it by the router and you switch things around sometimes all that needs to reset to the new MAC
[16:16] <MK`> Can I use things for Lucid on Maverick? The PPA I added gave me an error when I used apt-get update
[16:16] <parkdriver> bazhang: thank you!
[16:16] <terry> frank_: Some cable modems will not connect to a different machine untill it is re-started.
[16:16] <bazhang> MK`, no
[16:16] <porg> ohsix: Ok, So workload is quite usual (besides this BT and mail stuff, which is another issue, not necessarily causally related)
[16:16] <MK`> Thank you
[16:16] <bazhang> MK`, whats the ppa link
[16:16] <MK`> I'll wait until the guy updates I guess :P
[16:16] <frank_> Blueskaj: the router has 4 or 5 ports, I've tried them all, nothing works
[16:16] <terry> frank_: In other words, disconnect the laptop's cable, power cycle the cable modem and try again (with the other PC).
[16:16] <porg> ohsix: So does the fan "run more than necessary" ?
[16:16] <ohsix> frank_: odd router -> computer should work; i've seen two people reporting that it doesn't in the last few days though
[16:17] <porg> ohsix: And if so, how can we change it?
[16:17] <MK`> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/loell/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/source/Sources.gz  404  Not Found
[16:17] <mneptok> frank_: you're trying to connect a computer to the cable modem that is not usually connected?
[16:17] <MK`> there
[16:17]  * BluesKaj thinks the router should be the connection device for all pcs . which then connect to the modem ...that's what i did with my old linksys
[16:17] <terry> frank_: The way you are  using the Linksys BEFSR41 now is as a switch.  So what you have is a switch not a router.
[16:17] <ohsix> porg: the hd being on all the time will generate a lot of useless heat, remove/fix postfix and figure out how to kill that bt message
[16:17] <terry> frank_: And it will not work that way.
[16:18] <ohsix> terry is right about the mac address/modem restart too
[16:18] <frank_> mneptok: I typically don't use a router. I go straight from the modem to the comptuer. I never had a problem, but today the desktop wouldn't recognize the wired connection. So I set up the linksys so I could wire in my laptop and get online
[16:18] <porg> Ok, so maybe it's not high CPU load, but high disk rotation / heat generation? But then again, why does it work better on Windows, where the disk spins all the time?
[16:18] <ohsix> it's up to the isp to say how many cpe's there are and they go by mac; oce it's seen that number it'll ignore any more
[16:18] <frank_> terry: I'll take yoru advice and give it a try, thank you for your help. I'll be back if it doesn't work.
[16:19] <ohsix> porg: spinning is fine, writing every 5 seconds isn't
[16:19] <frank_> I appreciate all the time and help, thanks guys
[16:19] <terry> frank_: Ok.
[16:19] <BluesKaj> yeah terry , router us a misnomer , a hub probly the correct name
[16:19] <terry> NP
[16:19] <porg> ohsix: Always bear in mind (as a contextual relation) that in Windows the fan works more silent with the proper power profile!
[16:19] <ohsix> frank_: you have me curious though, can you check something for me?
[16:19] <terry> BluesKaj: Correct
[16:19] <porg> ohsix: Ok! So that's a qualitative difference!
[16:19] <mneptok> frank_: power off everything. call Comcast and ask them to clear the MAC address associated with your modem and its circuit. tell them you want to set up a router. they may help you, they may not. but you deifnitely want that circuit bound to the MAC address of the WAN interface of the BEFSR41.
[16:19] <ohsix> porg: well you can write to syslog more often andmake it worse, what are you saying?
[16:20] <porg> Where does this postfix issue come from? I have a fresh Ubuntu setup, and no mail account set up so far. Could that be the cause?
[16:20] <ohsix> porg: that is a bug/problem that needs to be fixed
[16:20]  * BluesKaj sees too many cooks in this network kitchen , and backs off :)\
[16:20] <terry> mneptok: The Linksys BEFSR41  does not have a WAN interface
[16:20] <ohsix> porg: mine is a fresh install too, and there is no postfix
[16:20] <terry> mneptok: The Linksys BEFSR41  is a cable modem.
[16:21] <porg> ohsix: What I meant is that 5sec interval disk write access within my currently faulty Ubuntu could in deed be the causal difference for more heat, hence more fan rotation
[16:21] <mneptok> terry: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124001
[16:21] <benzaldehyde> mneptok: you can set your router to any MAC address and the internet service provider would never see that address, it's your intranet not internet. just saying they might not accept that as an excuse to do what you ask
[16:21]  * BluesKaj wonders how many input ports on the cable modem ..frank?
[16:22] <terry> frank_:  frank_ has 2 choices:  1) Replace the Linksys BEFSR41 with a router.  2) Replace the cable modem with the Linksys BEFSR41
[16:22] <ohsix> frank_: try sudo mii-tool -r eth0 in a terminal while it is connected to the cable modem
[16:22] <benzaldehyde> mneptok: though not being about to connect they may just work with you either way
[16:22] <porg> ohsix: How can I fix it manually for me know. Of course this fix should make its way into the main distributuion one day. But for now, how can i help myself?
[16:22] <kostantinos> hi
[16:22] <terry> mneptok:  frank_ has 2 choices:  1) Replace the Linksys BEFSR41 with a router.  2) Replace the cable modem with the Linksys BEFSR41
[16:22] <benzaldehyde> *able
[16:22] <mneptok> benzaldehyde: if the modem is in bridged and no router mode, the ISP will definitely see the MAC address of any interface connected to it
[16:22] <darkwingduck_> anyone ably for the naked programmer job in london???
[16:22] <darkwingduck_> apply
[16:22] <kostantinos> blaka
[16:22] <terry> mneptok: It is a cable modem. THe way he is using it, it is only a switch.
[16:22] <bazhang> darkwingduck_, no. please stop
[16:22] <mneptok> terry: look at that Newegg link. the BEFSR41 is a router with 4 port switch.
[16:23] <ohsix> porg: well its a problem with toshiba_bluetooth, if you can make it shut up ... post the output of lsmod to a pastebin please
[16:23] <kostantinos> fak
[16:23] <darkwingduck_> any good chatrooms on irc
[16:23] <kostantinos> fack
[16:23] <darkwingduck_> just to talk about the news
[16:24] <terry> mneptok: Oh yea, it is a router.
[16:24] <Pici> !alis | darkwingduck_
[16:24] <ohsix> darkwingduck_: you could ask in #ubuntu-offtopic, i don't think there are many political channels on freenode (and "discussion" about news is generally people waxing idiotic about their own bent)
[16:25] <terry> mneptok: Well, maybe frank only needed to restart the cable modem.
[16:25] <bluenemo> hi guys. i installed the recent 10.10 netbook edition in kvm and it wont start, telling me no required driver detected for unity.. please help me :)
[16:25] <ohsix> if frank would speak up :]
[16:25] <porg> ohsix: lsmod http://paste.ubuntu.com/589314/
[16:25] <tklafka> o
[16:25] <tklafka> k
[16:26] <mneptok> terry: MAC address bonding can survive a modem reboot. the critical thing is that the modem be placed in bridged mode, not routed mode.
[16:26] <Spikehead777> Hello everyone
[16:26] <ohsix> porg: sorry, another dead end, no way to tell toshiba_bluetooth to be quiet
[16:26] <fifische> Ha
[16:26] <mneptok> terry: AFAIK, Comcast is still shipping modems in routed mode by default.
[16:26] <ohsix> porg: it is now time to file a bug
[16:26] <porg> ohsix: What I see BT is used by nobody
[16:27] <Spikehead777> I have a question regarding screen resolutions with nvidia drivers
[16:27] <ohsix> porg: that just counts kernel use & dependent modules, not that it isn't being used
[16:27] <darkwingduck_> thx
[16:27] <terry> mneptok: Yea I suppose it could have been in bridge mode.
[16:27] <porg> Ok, so I have encountered 2 bugs: BT permanently re-enables on Toshiba for no clear reason + postfix writes to logfile for no known reason
[16:27] <mneptok> terry: it *should* be in bridged mode, if a user is going to use their own router behind the modem.
[16:28] <terry> mneptok: Yea ok...
[16:28] <porg> ohsix: Still, in relation to the 57 C, is that CLEARLY audible fan speed ok? Btw, how can I read the fan rotation speed?
[16:28] <ohsix> porg: postfix will do that if its installed and not configured; i do not know why it is installed on your computer
[16:28] <terry> mneptok: It is very difficult to solve someone's network configuration problems remotely.  There are too many possibilities.
[16:29] <porg> Can I see whether anything is dependent on postfix? Else I could simply uninstall it. Ok?
[16:29] <ohsix> porg: typically the fan rpm is not visible unless read directly from the controller ic, you could try lm-sensors but it will alost certainly not be shown
[16:29] <ohsix> porg: you will be told what depends on it when you attempt to remove it
[16:29] <bluenemo> can i install 10.04 netbook edition in kvm?
[16:30] <porg> ohsix: Whats the cmdlkine for removing a package?
[16:30] <terry> mneptok: There are too many possibilities, and it is easy to get confused.
[16:30] <jpds> porg: apt-get remove <package>
[16:30] <jpds> porg: To see reverse dependencies: apt-cache rdepends <package>
[16:30] <Spikehead777> I'm just going to throw this out there: I have two screens: a 1440x900 monitor hooked up via DVI, and a 1360x768 monitor hooked up via VGA. Both monitors are hooked up to my NVIDIA GeForce 240 GT.
[16:31] <frank> terry: I'm back, here's what I did. (A) Unplugged the laptop from the linksys so the Desktop was the only computer plugged into it. Restarted the both the modem adn the router, still didn't work. (B) Removed the Linksys and plugged the computer directly into the cable modem (which is my usual setup). Restarted the modem. Still didn't work. (C) Connected my desktop to the modem using a USB and it picked up the internet connection right aw
[16:31] <frank> ay. So right now, I'm on the problematic desktop computer, connected via USB. It still will not recognize an ethernet connection
[16:31] <benzaldehyde> mneptok: that still has nothing to do with what the ISP sees, they only see the MAC of your modem
[16:31] <porg> ohsix: The following packages will be REMOVED:   bsd-mailx postfix
[16:31] <porg> so bsd-mailfix depends on it
[16:31] <ohsix> porg: sounds fine
[16:31] <frank> terry: not sure if the entirety of that message posted. I took your advice, and it still didn't work. I plugged the comptuer directly into the cable modem, restarted it, nothing worked.
[16:31] <porg> or came along wiht it?
[16:32] <frank> terry: then I connected the computer to the modem with a USB and it picked up the internet immediately. Right now, I'm using the problematic computer that is USBed tot he modem
[16:32] <ohsix> bsd-mailx is installed for local mail delivery, but you have to go out of your way to install postfix with it (its offered as an option)
[16:32] <Spikehead777> The problem is that my tv is receiving a 1280x768 from ubuntu instead of the proper 1360x768, even though the NVIDIA settings page is set up correctly. This is my first time working with ubuntu, so bear with me. How can I fix this if
[16:32] <frank> terry: it still won't pick up anything with the ethernet
[16:32] <terry> frank: I was wrong.  The Linksys BEFSR41 is a router.
[16:32] <porg> ohsix: This removal will not cause other apps to trouble? I mean there must have been a reason why it came in the default installation? Or was it merely there as a bug?
[16:32] <frank> terry: that's fine, I'm not using the LInksys right now anyway, the problem seems to be with my computers ability to recognize an ethernet connection
[16:32] <ohsix> frank: can you try doing sudo mii-tool -r eth0 while its connectted by ethernet?
[16:33] <frank> terry: since a USB connection to the modem seems to work fine
[16:33] <terry> frank:  mneptok pointed out that the cable modem has two options bridge mode and router mode and that may be the problem.
[16:33] <ohsix> porg: if it says its just removing those you're fine
[16:33] <phoenixsampras> help!! how to set an ipaddress manually on ubuntu? via command line permanently?
[16:33] <bluenemo> why the hell is a graphics adapter required to install unity?? what sence does that make if you use it on netbooks? which netbook has a good graphics adapter?
[16:33] <frank> ohsix: I'll try that. Right now, boht the USB and the ethernet cables are connected, though it doesn't see the ethernet. I'm not sure if that will affect hte results of the command
[16:33] <sukima> Why does apt-get rubygems say it is uptoday whena gem -v clearly shows an out of date version. Most gems need a newer version.
[16:33] <bluenemo> phoenixsampras, via /etc/network/interfaces
[16:34] <maco> sukima: because it's up-to-date as of the ubuntu repositories
[16:34] <terry> frank: I was confused because you were never able to tell me whether or not the cable modem was plugged into the WAN port of the router.  Was it?
[16:34] <porg> ohsix: Is postfix needed for mail server applications only, or also for mail clients?
[16:34] <phoenixsampras> bluenemo: is there any sintax for it?
[16:34] <maco> sukima: what is on your system is the newest in the repos. that's all apt-get can tell you
[16:34] <sukima> maco is there something wrong with it that ubuntu repositories are not being updated?
[16:34] <porg> ohsix: Or in other words, will the default mail app from Ubuntu get troubles?
[16:34] <bluenemo> phoenixsampras, yes google for it. its not to hard to understand. you can enter static ip's and gateways there
[16:34] <benzaldehyde> terry: bridge mode has not a thing to do with the modem
[16:34] <ohsix> frank: it wouldn't, but it also wouldn't confirm what i'm wondering, if yyou could do ethernet only; see if it works affter, then post dmesg to a pastebin i'd be grateful
[16:34] <benzaldehyde> terry: you have it reversed
[16:34] <frank> terry: the modem was plugged into the router port labeled "internet", but I'm not using the router rihgt now
[16:34] <maco> sukima: new versions of upstream software go into new versions of ubuntu. only bugs are fixed in stable ubuntu releases
[16:35] <porg> ohsix: I was referring to Evolution mail
[16:35] <frank> ohsix: will do, one sec
[16:35] <maco> sukima: you could perhaps request a backport of the newer version for an older ubuntu release. there's a separate repository just for that
[16:35] <ohsix> porg, no, it's for local mail delivery, you picked postfix when you installed smartmontools
[16:35] <sukima> I could understand using older versions of software for end user stuff but something like system libraries should probubly be updated especially since it at 1.3 and the web site says it's up to 1.7
[16:35] <terry> frank: as benzaldehyde says, maybe you only need to configure the router probably.
[16:36] <sukima> maco: can up upgrade my ubuntu?
[16:36] <ohsix> frank: this is the second time i've heard of this problem and i'm suspecting autoswitching or negotiation
[16:36] <sukima> maco: err can I upgrade my ubuntu release. I'm currently at 10.04
[16:36] <benzaldehyde> frank: i think you pretty much isolated the problem though, it was the cord was it not
[16:37] <terry> frank: Might just set the router to factroy defaults and try again.
[16:37] <ohsix> terry: one problem at a time, you're probably right though
[16:37] <Hypoglybetic> Any KVM Experts? I'm using AQEMU and the darn SPARC VM won't start in any way.  Can anyone help me?
[16:37] <frank> ohsix: I ran the command, all it said was "restarting autonegotiation"
[16:37] <ohsix> terry: at least that will sidestep it
[16:37] <porg> ohsix: Now I see where postfix came from! smartmontools! I guess for their email alerts! So I will file the bug with smartmontools. Correct?
[16:38] <ohsix> frank: was eth usable after?
[16:38] <frank> ohsix: nope
[16:38] <LeaoX> have a good night,every boys.
[16:38] <porg> ohsix: Now to toshiba_bluetooth . Is this a kernel module/extension/whateveryoucallit ?
[16:38] <benzaldehyde> LeaoX: thanks
[16:38] <benzaldehyde> LeaoX: you too
[16:38] <BluesKaj> terry, what if frank just uses the router directly to the internet , with no cable modem ?
[16:38] <ohsix> porg: no, you picked postfix as a mailer when it asked to configure bsd-mailx, just leave it at default
[16:38] <frank> not sure if it's relevant, but the light on the modem that says "PC Activity" is blinking (as it should be) when I'm connected with USB, but with ethernet, it's off
[16:39] <frank> it seems like the problem is that the PC jsut isnt' seeing any ethernet connections all of a sudeen
[16:39] <ohsix> porg: a module, after you report the bug you can blacklist it temporarily to get it to shut up
[16:39] <terry> BluesKaj: He can't do that.  It is not a cable modem, just a router.
[16:39] <ohsix> frank: ok, one more thing to try
[16:39] <frank> okay
[16:39] <benzaldehyde> BluesKaj: are you joking
[16:39] <maco> sukima: system -> admin -> software sources -> updates. set it to allow normal upgrades (instead of just long term support (LTS) releases), then open up update manager
[16:40] <milen8204> How can I check how many partition have my computer in Ubuntu ?
[16:40] <rumpel_> milen8204, sudo fdisk -l
[16:40] <ohsix> frank: sudo mii-tool -F 10baseT-HD eth0 then try connecting with networkmanager, its important to keep the cable connected between mii-tool and trying to connect
[16:40] <porg> ohsix: toshiba_bluetooth is a driver component of the kernel. right?
[16:40] <benzaldehyde> frank: new ethernet cable
[16:40] <BluesKaj> benzaldehyde, nope , http://tinyurl.com/3dcyu7w
[16:41] <sukima> maco: thank you. How do you do that command line I'm running server
[16:41] <milen8204> rumpel_, does it show partition which are not using by Ubuntu ?
[16:41] <porg> ohsix: How can I disable it? And where shall I file the bug appropriately?
[16:41] <maco> sukima: ah ok. just a second
[16:41] <benzaldehyde> frank: comcast includes it with service they ought to send you one or pick one up
[16:41] <rumpel_> milen8204, yes
[16:41] <milen8204> rumpel_, thaks a lot
[16:41] <rumpel_> milen8204, or gparted.. if you like a gui
[16:42] <benzaldehyde> BluesKaj: i'm in shell
[16:42] <milen8204> no thanks i will be ok whit terminal
[16:42] <porg> ohsix: I can work without BT, I do not need it.
[16:42] <terry> benzaldehyde: He said at one point that he tried switching cables.
[16:42] <maco> sukima: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades    <-- modify that file to "normal" instead of "lts"
[16:42] <frank> benzaldehyde: the ethernet calbe I'm using now is the same one I was using witht he laptop a few minutes ago, it worked perfectly
[16:42] <frank> ohsix: will do, brb
[16:42] <maco> sukima: then "sudo apt-get update && sudo do-release-upgrade"
[16:42] <ohsix> porg: re component, yes; file the bug & give me the url then i will tell you how to blacklist it
[16:42] <terry> frank: I would first try setting the router back to factory defaults.
[16:43] <benzaldehyde> terry: i recall, but how often does one have 2 extra good cables, usually you have 3 cables when the first two have gone wonky
[16:43] <milen8204> rumpel_, how I can see its volume ?
[16:43] <sukima> maco: thank you!!!!!
[16:43] <porg> ohsix: ?
[16:43] <codemagician> how I spawn the basic photo viewer using the command line please?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> benzaldehyde,theLinksys BEFSR41i s a EtherFast Cable/DSL Router
[16:44] <bernz> codemagician: i think you're probably using 'eye of gnome', so it's "eog"
[16:44] <rumpel_> milen8204, should be mentioned somewhere
[16:44] <porg> ohsix: I am asking for measures to fix this on my computer. By blacklisting I guess you mean something global (for all Ubuntu users).
[16:44] <bernz> codemagician: that is, "eog <name_of_pic_file>"
[16:44] <milen8204> rumpel_,  oo its montioned start end :D
[16:44] <ohsix> porg: no, just for you; until the bug is fixed, but you need to report the bug first
[16:44] <porg> ohsix: Sounds to me as if you want this module to get disabled for all users then!? I am not competent enough to cause this.
[16:44] <milen8204> i noticed later
[16:44] <porg> ohsix: Why must I report the bug first?
[16:44] <ohsix> porg: just for you; file the bug
[16:45] <c1ean> is there a beta of ubuntu netbook edition?
[16:45] <c1ean> or should i just wait until the 18th or whenever natty is due oiut
[16:45] <ohsix> porg: assume you're the owner of unique version of your notebook and nobody else ever will
[16:45] <bernz> codemagician: also, tack on ampersand to get your prompt back (i consider executing and spawning to be two different things; spawning launches a process, and then returns to whatever you were doing)
[16:45] <porg> ohsix: Simply for didactic reasons? ;-) (Exchange: Your knowledge / my FLOSS participation) ?
[16:45] <ohsix> porg: as i'd like to see it fixed, you need to report it
[16:45] <Pici> c1ean: There is no netbook edition anymore. See the release notes in the topic of #ubuntu+1
[16:45] <rumpel_> milen8204, well.. as i said... if you want something more convenient, use gparted in system->administration (if its installed)
[16:46] <porg> ohsix: I see, you mean for the common good! ;-)
[16:46] <bernz> anyone know of a nice way to execute a command in response to a TCP connection being made?
[16:46] <benzaldehyde> frank: does ifconfig see it
[16:46] <milen8204> rumpel_, I used it but I think there are less partition
[16:46] <porg> Can you nevertheless tell me how to blacklist it locally first, and i promise to file the bug later that day, when I have nerves for it.
[16:46] <ohsix> porg: that and its a real bug
[16:46] <terry> frank: Press the Reset Button and hold it down until the red Diag LED on the front panel turns on and off completely.  THis iwll restore factory defaults and clear all the router's settings.
[16:46] <bernz> i noticed that compiz doesn't work over VNC (composited graphics aren't transfered), so i want to switch to metacity when a VNC client connects on a specific port
[16:47] <porg> Ok, which bugtracker is appropriate?
[16:47] <ohsix> porg: in my scenario theres no element of me needing to trust you; and launchpad.net
[16:47] <sukima> maco: I'm sorry to bother again. it said no new release found
[16:47] <ohsix> porg: you can try ubuntu-bug linux in a terminal if you want to try automatic filing, and if there is an appropraite category
[16:48] <frank_> ohsix: okay, so here's what happened. I unplugged the USB, made sure the ethernet was the only thing plugged in, restarted the modem, then ran sudo mii-tool -F 10baseT-HD eth0
[16:48] <maco> sukima: after changing it to normal and then doing apt-get update?
[16:48] <porg> ohsix: Nevertheless, all this has very little to do with my fan noise, nevertheless after 3 hours of talking i am still with the problem
[16:48] <c1ean> Pici: it's listed here though: 11.04 netbook: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[16:48] <frank_> ohsix: after I did, the computer still did not recognize the ethernet. The applet is still gry and says "Wire Network disconnected", however, I noticed that
[16:49] <maco> c1ean: you mean where it says "Ubuntu Netbook Edition and Ubuntu Desktop Edition have been combined into a single Edition called simply "Ubuntu" (with no "Edition")."
[16:49] <ohsix> porg: your computer/cpu might run in the 30s after your hd cools down ...
[16:49] <frank_> ohsix: the PC Activity light on the cable modem came on and started blinking, which only happens when there is a connection. I also opened Network Tools, selected Aut0 and it said it was active
[16:49] <c1ean> oh i see
[16:49] <c1ean> Ubuntu Netbook Edition and Ubuntu Desktop Edition have been combined into a single Edition called simply "Ubuntu" (with no "Edition").
[16:49] <webPragmatist> with ufw can i specify an interface?
[16:49] <c1ean> Ubuntu Server Edition has been renamed to simply "Ubuntu Server" (again, the "Edition" has been dropped).
[16:49] <sukima> maco: Sorry how do I change it to normal?
[16:49] <c1ean> maco lol
[16:49] <ohsix> frank_: very informative; thank you
[16:49] <frank_> ohsix: but the network manager still won't recognize the connection and says it's disconnected
[16:49] <c1ean> weird that it's still listed though
[16:49] <Pici> c1ean: Yes, thats why I pointed you there :)
[16:49] <c1ean> meh
[16:49] <porg> ohsix: ubuntu-bug wow, that s a great tool! I file it. Be back later.
[16:49] <maco> sukima: sudo vi ...that file i said...
[16:49] <c1ean> thanks
[16:50] <codemagician> bernz, thanks
 sukima: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades    <-- modify that file to "normal" instead of "lts"
[16:50] <_Neytiri_> ever since i was told to do a apt-get upgrade by someone i have been gettting this issue perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:	LANGUAGE = (unset),	LC_ALL = (unset),	LANG = "en_US.utf8"  are supported and installed on your system.  perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[16:50] <ohsix> frank_: are the modem lights on when you just plug it in and don't use mii-tool?
[16:50] <BluesKaj> frank , sudo dhclient eth0
[16:50] <benzaldehyde> frank_: wish i knew your lan was not seen on the system, yeah, cable is probably alright
[16:50] <maco> sukima: big comment explains what different values for the variable mean, then at the end the variable is set to "lts" ...you need to change it to "normal"
[16:50] <bernz> codemagician: no worries, took me a bit to figure out the name when i was first looking, because its title bar is "image viewer" :-)
[16:50] <terry> frank_: You can test your nic by creating a connection between the laptop and the pc.  Connect both to the router's LAN ports.  On router do: ifconfig eth0 192.168.5.5   On the pc do sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.5.6 ; ping 192.168.5.5  #If it pings   it works, if not you have a problem with NIC.
[16:50] <porg> ohsix: Shall I file it within "Kernel Config" or better "Other" ?
[16:50] <sukima> maco: I'll try that thanks
[16:50] <Pici> c1ean: Only because that is compiled for ARM
[16:51] <maco> c1ean: still listed *where*?
[16:51] <terry> frank_: You can test your nic by creating a connection between the laptop and the pc.  Connect both to the router's LAN ports.  On laptop do: ifconfig eth0 192.168.5.5   On the pc do sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.5.6 ; ping 192.168.5.5  #If it pings   it works, if not you have a problem with NIC.
[16:51] <terry> #I said router and I mean to say laptop
[16:51] <Pici> maco: We're addressing it in #ubuntu+1
[16:51] <_Neytiri_> same with this error when i try to start apache   * Starting web server apache2     Warning: SuexecUserGroup directive requires SUEXEC wrapper.  Syntax error on line 19 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/****.********.com.conf:  Invalid command 'FCGIWrapper', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[16:52] <frank_> ohsix: prior to using mii-tools, all the modem lights were on except PC Activity, after running mii-tools PC Activity came on
[16:52] <porg> ohsix: Regarding your recent comment: Would it be best if i give the laptop a little rest to have the chance to cool down, then resume, and see if that reduced HD access has effect on the fan?
[16:52] <sukima> maco: that fixed it
[16:52] <ohsix> porg: other, and its not a regression that you know of, and be sure to mention the message comes up every 5 seconds, and post part if your syslog with the message when you can
[16:52] <sukima> maco: thank you for dealing with my idiouscy
[16:52] <frank_> terry: right now the router isn't set up, but I will try that shortly and see what happens
[16:52] <ohsix> porg: it should cool down rather quickly after it stops being written to
[16:52] <maco> sukima: it's not idiocy, just inexperience. everybody has to ask for help first time through doing something new!
[16:53] <ohsix> frank_: OK, so it could be that autoneg is busted, what ethernet card do you have? (lspci)
[16:53] <bernz> hm... looks like iptables might be what i need to trigger a command when a certain port connects
[16:53] <porg> ohsix: Then I have to dissapoint you. postfix was uninstalled already 15min ago, hence the HD must have had enough time to your logic, but fan still unchanged
[16:53] <frank_> terry: are you saying to runa n ethernet cable directly from the desktop to the laptop?
[16:53] <porg> ohsix: Can I recreate the bug?
[16:54] <porg> ohsix: That's what i am asked
[16:54] <ohsix> porg: yes
[16:54] <sukima> maco: I'll be sure to pay that forward. thx again
[16:54] <porg> ohsix: I would say no, as it is a bug which occurs without user internevtion.
[16:54] <ohsix> porg: the bluetooth module is still writing evey 5 seconds ...
[16:54] <frank_> ohsix: lspci > http://paste.ubuntu.com/589323/
[16:54] <porg> Or is the menu icon BT off considered my reproductuion steps?
[16:55] <ohsix> porg: the question means can it be done on demand, so tests can be done if needed
[16:55] <BestKeptSecret> is the dict utility down for anyone?
[16:55] <ohsix> BestKeptSecret: yes, i noticed that earlier myself
[16:55] <weecol> hello anyone talk to me about jobs here
[16:55] <lighta> hoi guys is there a way to rsync a folder without taking .svn dir too ?
[16:55] <egarff> lighta: --exclude I believe is your flag
[16:55] <loculinux> pñss
[16:55] <ohsix> frank_: ok, are you running maverick? (10.10)
[16:56] <Pumpkin-> lighta: yeah, --exclude
[16:56] <frank_> ohsix: yes, 10.10
[16:56] <lighta> thx guys, working on resurive ?
[16:56] <weecol> how do you create a hw profile in ubuntu
[16:56] <weecol> for tech guys to be contacted about
[16:56] <egarff> lighta: -r is recursive
[16:57] <weecol> ie cp -r
[16:57] <egarff> lighta: if you did something like 'rsync -r --exclude=.svn it would exclude anything named .svn in the rsync.
[16:57] <lighta> yeah yeah why asking if exclusion was working with recrusive sry for bad expression
[16:57] <lighta> ok perfect thx =)
[16:57] <tgalal> is it possible to move /etc to another location then create a symbolic link to it in its original location ?
[16:57] <egarff> lighta: happy to help.
[16:57] <MTeck> I'm having some troubles... I installed Ubuntu on my mac mini and it works great, but now I need to also install mac on it again; I'm trying to install mac along side my current ubuntu install but mac doesn't seem to want to see any valid partitions available and I specifically left one partition open for this and created an empty partition. I know this isn't the right place to ask for help, but the best place I can think of. Any point
[16:57] <guampa1> is there a way to add items to the volume indicator/sound indicator/whatever is it called?
[16:58] <BestKeptSecret> is the dict terminal utility servers down or somethign?
[16:58] <murat> s
[16:58] <murat> sa
[16:58] <murat> sa
[16:58] <murat> sa
[16:58] <murat> sa
[16:58] <murat> sa
[16:58] <murat> sasss
[16:58] <ohsix> frank_: one moment
[16:59] <OMGUbuntu> murat: !spam
[16:59] <Pici> murat: thats enough.
[16:59] <frank_> ohsix: no problem
[16:59] <BluesKaj> guampa1, type alsamixer in the termina, you'll fins all available ctrls there
[16:59] <milamber> !dualboot | MTeck
[16:59] <maheanuu> How can I stop media player from trying to open all files and folders?
[16:59] <liuchong> 大家好
[16:59] <Pici> BestKeptSecret: dict.org seems to be very slow/down.
[16:59] <guampa1> BluesKaj: i want to add an item to the sound indicator, not needing alsamixer
[17:00] <murat> hi
[17:00] <BluesKaj> guampa1, what item ?
[17:01] <MTeck> milamber: i found those already, but they didn't help me with this
[17:01] <guampa1> want to launch some audio related program from that indicator "menu", i did once something similar with pidgin and the messaging indicator
[17:01] <OMGUbuntu> If any of you guys want to improve gaming on linux, you should consider this  http://bit.ly/hXjE7Y
[17:01] <OMGUbuntu> they could use some help
[17:01] <guampa1> but i can't recall how is it done
[17:01] <ruan> guampa1: what do you want to add to it>?
[17:02] <vivek200912> how to edit the side pannel of ubuntu 10.10 notebook edition
[17:02] <vivek200912> how to edit the side pannel of ubuntu 10.10 notebook edition?
[17:02] <guampa1> ruan: i want to add an audio program, in the same way i had added pidgin a "IM program" to the messaging indicator
[17:02] <guampa1> is there a way?
[17:03] <maco> guampa1: there's a separate indicator for audio apps, i think, but i also think they way they get in there is by patching them
[17:03] <porg> ohsix: I filed the bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/750428
[17:03] <rodhash> Hello guys, when my ubuntu starts using SWAP it gets very slow.. even when swap has only 100MB (2GB RAM) my system becomes slow.. any idea how to handle it? Is there any way to avoid this slowness?
[17:03] <ohsix> porg: ok thank you, one moment
[17:03] <ohsix> frank_: can you post the output of lsmod too
[17:03] <porg> ohsix: Could you now please tell me how to temporarily disable toshiba_bluetoothh
[17:03] <larious> I want to know if installing fresh Ubuntu on a system, Will java be included as a defaut?
[17:04] <ohsix> larious: it will not
[17:04] <OMGUbuntu> larious: if you mark the checkboxes
[17:04] <bittyx-laptop> i'm having a bit of trouble with my dvd drive. i use ubuntu 10.10 on my laptop. i've previously burned a dvd on my windows machine, and when i try to place it in my laptop's dvd drive, i get a message: Unable to mount (dvd name); Error mounting: mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: /dev/sr0: can't read superblock
[17:04] <BluesKaj> larious, only if you install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:04] <bittyx-laptop> is this a badly burned dvd or is it something on my laptop?
[17:04] <larious> I want to know if installing fresh Ubuntu on a system, Will java be included as a defaut?
[17:04] <bittyx-laptop> (i don't have another system to try the dvd on at the moment)
[17:05] <frank_> ohsix: lsmod > http://paste.ubuntu.com/589325/
[17:05] <guampa1> maco: thanks, not feeling too friendly towards whoever has designed this POS
[17:05] <rodhash> larious: no
[17:05] <rodhash> Hello guys, when my ubuntu starts using SWAP it gets very slow.. even when swap has only 100MB (2GB RAM) my system becomes slow.. any idea how to handle it? Is there any way to avoid this slowness?
[17:05] <ohsix> porg: first, sudo rmmod toshiba_bluetooth, that should remove it temporarily, i will tell you the rest in a moment
[17:05] <trism> guampa1: you can add an item that will launch the app to the menu, but if you want further integration, the app needs to be patched (to add it to the menu, create a file in /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications/ with a single line that is the path to a .desktop file, sure as /usr/share/applications/liferea.desktop)
[17:05] <guampa1> trism: that's just great to read
[17:05] <guampa1> thanks
[17:05] <larious> I want to know if installing fresh Ubuntu on a system, Will java be included as a defaut?
[17:05] <kundan> hi.. seems like I've messed up my apt tree.. while running aptitude upgrade I get a message like open: 30107; closed: 40629; defer: 227; conflict: 1160 where the number of open and closed packages keeps increasing forever [ 6-7hrs at least ]
[17:05] <ohsix> rodhash: only way to avoid it is get more ram or do less with the system, swap means your working set has exceeded your capacity
[17:06] <kundan> How do I fix this?
[17:06] <maheanuu> I just installed a new hard drive and a fresh Ubuntu 10.10 all went well until last night when media player decided to be the default file manager???  How do I remedy this?
[17:06] <ohsix> rodhash: unintuitively, increasing swap to way more than 100mb can help alleviate the problem
[17:06] <vivek200912> larious: no, if u r installing from live cd.
[17:06] <czardoz> nope
[17:06] <czardoz> (i think)
[17:06] <ohsix> rodhash: more swap = more storage for programs doing nothing
[17:06] <benzaldehyde> czardoz: i did that once, thought, gaveme a migraine
[17:07] <rodhash> ohsix: Thanks, but any idea if there's any customization for swap? I mean, to increase a little the performance? Actually my swap has 1GB and my RAM has 2GB
[17:07] <rodhash> ohsix: Sorry, my SWAP has 4GB
[17:08] <Polah> ohsix: I've not seen swap being used for sleeping programs with things in memory
[17:08] <Chousuke_> on most modern systems swap is pretty much unused
[17:08] <ohsix> rodhash: there are a lot, but none that do what you are asking for to the degree that i'm sure you're expecting
[17:08] <Chousuke_> because there's enough RAM for everything
[17:08] <czardoz> benzaldehyde, ok
[17:08] <Chousuke_> in general, you don't WANT to use swap, anyway
[17:08] <frank_> ohsix: any ideas?
[17:08] <ohsix> Polah: anonymous pages that aren't touched are migrated
[17:08] <larious> vivek200912: have a problem, i hav a program that required java and having a problem to install it
[17:08] <ohsix> frank_: looking at mavs kernel changelog still
[17:08] <ohsix> frank_: do you have a timeframe?
[17:09] <Brwa> is there a text editor with supporting change direction to RTL (letft to right) ?
[17:09] <porg> ohsix: That BT msg is logged every 5 secs, hence the disk is active all the time still. Or is this console it buffered in RAM and only writen to disk in longer periods?
[17:09] <Chousuke_> the best optimisation you can do to your swap space is to buy more RAM :P
[17:09] <bernz> for anyone digging the log of this channel, here's what i discovered: there's no simple way to react to an incoming connection; essentially, you set up iptables to emit a line of recognizable trigger text to a log (e.g. syslog), and then tail that log (with -f) and grep/awk/etc for the trigger text (and launch your command)
[17:09] <rcmaehl> O_o both my routers use linux
[17:09] <guampa1> trism: though that works ok with messaging indicators, doesn't seem to exist an equiv path for sound indicator :/
[17:09] <rcmaehl> IS there a way to ssh into them if sohow?
[17:09] <Brwa> is there a text editor with supporting change direction to RTL (letft to right) ?
[17:09] <ohsix> porg: syslog is for important messages, so it syncs its output file for every write
[17:09] <rodhash> ohsix: Ok, what do you think? Should I take easy with my ubuntu? I mean, using less programs?
[17:09] <larious> vivek200912: have a problem, i hav a program that required java and having a problem to install it
[17:09] <iceroot_> bernz: inetd is what you are looking for
[17:09] <rodhash> ohsix: Or changing the RAM or SWAP helps?
[17:09] <erUSUL> bernz: you may want to ask in #netfilter it may be a better way
[17:09] <iceroot_> bernz: its calling program when a connection is incomming on a specific port
[17:09] <trism> guampa1: yes, the sound indicator would likely require patching indicator-sound (unless something changed recently)
[17:09] <bernz> iceroot_: oh, cool, i will check that
[17:10] <guampa1> allright
[17:10] <porg> ohsix: Ok, so after we "blacklisted" BT mod, there should be far less disk access
[17:10] <frank_> ohsix: forgot to mention, I'm running 64bit, not sure if that matters. No real timeframe
[17:10] <bernz> erUSUL: that's a good tip, thanks
[17:10] <quiescens> tail will of course probably break each time logs are rotated
[17:10] <iceroot_> bernz: maybe its xinetd now
[17:10] <ohsix> rodhash: install smem and give a good look at program memory use, you could have a genuine memory leak situation
[17:10] <sipior> Brwa: yep, vim handles that just fine (and i assume emacs does as well)
[17:10] <Brwa> is there a text editor with supporting change direction to RTL (letft to right) ?
[17:10] <ohsix> porg: yes, far less
[17:10] <porg> ohsix: So plz, let's start blackmailing the mod.
[17:10] <erUSUL> bernz: iceroot_ gave the best answer if that's what you want...
[17:10] <bernz> iceroot_: that sounds like just what i need, thanks
[17:10] <ohsix> frank_: i meant has it been a problem since the first time you tried it or has it ever worked
[17:11] <vivek200912> larious: sorry, I am not the expert, please repeat your question in detail so that some experts will help you.
[17:11] <porg> ohsix: I would be proud, if I have contributed solving a bug, from which many other Toshiba users would benefit, by getting a more silent laptop.
[17:11] <ohsix> porg: indeed
[17:11] <ylmfos> sz
[17:11] <rodhash> ohsix: Thanks :)
[17:11] <porg> ohsix: So now I start to understand why you have gone through that long evaluation!
[17:11] <porg> ohsix: blackmail instruction plz.
[17:12] <ohsix> porg: ok
[17:12] <frank_> ohsix: I've never had a problem before today. It's always plugged directly into the cable modem. It worked fine yesterday, then this morning there's a problem.
[17:12] <vivek200912> larious: by the way which program?
[17:12] <ohsix> porg: in a terminal, sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-tosh-bt.conf
[17:13] <frank_> ohsix: the only thing I can think of is, yesterday, I set up my LInksys router for about two hours so I could plug in my laptop, when I was done, I disconnected the router, restarted the modem, and plugged it back into the desktop (as it normally is)
[17:13] <frank_> ohsix: and it worked fine
[17:13] <ohsix> porg: insert "blacklist toshiba_bluetooth" save the file and exit
[17:13] <frank_> ohsix: then I woke up this morning and it won't see the ethernet
[17:13] <ohsix> porg: then run sudo update-initramfs -c -k all, and you're done
[17:13] <benzaldehyde> ping please
[17:14] <ohsix> frank_: i see
[17:14] <ohsix> frank_: tru sudo rmmod r8169
[17:14] <ohsix> then sudo modprobe r8169
[17:14] <porg> ohsix: Ran well.
[17:14] <frank_> ohsix: should I disconnect hte USB before trying that?
[17:14] <porg> I will monitor syslog now closely
[17:14] <ohsix> frank_: i see lots of negotiation related problems and workarounds for that thing, i'm looking for current info
[17:14] <larious> I want to know if installing fresh Ubuntu on a system, Will java be included as a defaut?
[17:15] <ohsix> frank_: you don't need to, after you do it you might want to test it though
[17:15] <larious> the program is Y
[17:15] <frank_> okay i'll test it, brb
[17:15] <larious> Yf
[17:15] <ohsix> porg: monitor _powertop_ it'll tell you such things :P
[17:15] <larious> vivek200912: the program is YF
[17:15] <porg> WIth the underscores?
[17:16] <porg> powertop tells about disk i/o as well?
[17:16] <ohsix> porg: btw rmmod removed it for now, and what you just did assured it will stay removed; when you want to try a fix just move the file away or delete it
[17:16] <ohsix> porg: yes, and no underscores, that was for emphasis
[17:17] <rodhash> ohsix: Thanks for the tip, with smem I can see Firefox 4 using most of SWAP.. :-/
[17:17] <porg> ohsix: Damn, that module still talks into the log.
[17:17] <ohsix> rodhash: thats how it goes :\ are you using adblock & flashblock? it can help, bartab can _REALLY_ help
[17:17] <CreateISO> Hello. I extract the content of an Ubunto image. I just want to recreate the iso (bootable) of this content but if I try to install it it tells me "No bootable medium was found"
[17:17] <ohsix> porg: yes, but look at the timestamps
[17:18] <rodhash> sorry, but what's adblock / flashblock and bartab?
[17:18] <leg3nd> morning guys, anyone know how to change default window manager via CLI in 10.10?
[17:18] <sss314> What application can I use to download YouTube videos? I tried youtube-dl, FatRat, slimrat File Downloader and gPodder, but none of them worked for me.
[17:18] <larious> I want to know if installing fresh Ubuntu on a system, Will java be included as a defaut?
[17:18] <ohsix> rodhash: firefox extensions
[17:18] <vivek200912> larious: so sorry I cant help.
[17:18] <ray24> my dictionary that came ubuntu isn't working/searching for definitions anymore
[17:18] <rodhash> ohsix: Thanks.. let me take a look
[17:18] <Polah> larious: OpenJDK is
[17:18] <leg3nd> larious, no you have to install it
[17:19] <leg3nd> larious, yea openJDK is but not JRE
[17:19] <ohsix> rodhash: it'll be night and day; you'll be surprised :]
[17:19] <Polah> OpenJDK JRE is, Sun Java 6 JRE isn't
[17:19] <frank_> ohsix: A couple odd things happened. When I ran "rmmod r8169" while connected with USB, nothing happened. I disconnected USB, restarted modem, and ran it again with the ethernet plugged in
[17:19] <benzaldehyde> ohsix: you should tell frank that he ought to clone his computers mac address inside his router control panel
[17:19] <ohsix> frank_: there should be no output for rmmod
[17:19] <porg> ohsix: Of course i looked at the timestamps. The are live! tail -f /var/log/syslog
[17:19] <frank_> ohsix: it said: "ERROR: Module r8169 does not exist in /proc/modules." Then I ran ifconfig and eth0 did not show up
[17:19] <larious> leg3nd: you mean I install JDk or Jre?
[17:19] <CrawfordComeaux> I need to install libsfml-audio1.5 in maverick, but only libsfml-audio1.6 is showing up in apt-get...how can I install the one I need?
[17:19] <ohsix> benzaldehyde: that is pretty irrelevant if his media settings are wrong
[17:20] <porg> ohsix: So, BT still is active.
[17:20] <frank_> ohsix: though,t he PC Activity light on the modem was still on
[17:20] <leg3nd> larious, listin ti Polah he seems to know more then i
[17:20] <leg3nd> larious, *to
[17:20] <ohsix> porg: did you run sudo rmmod toshiba_bluetooth?
[17:20] <benzaldehyde> frank_: when you took your thing and setup the router the modem could be using the MAC of the router still, that you can get a usb connection could mean that it handles it differenyl than ethernet
[17:20] <ohsix> frank_: ok, and when you reloaded it and plugged the  cable back in?
[17:21] <larious> Polah: dont understand you
[17:21] <porg> ohsix: No, not yet. You only told me about sudo update-initramfs -c -k all
[17:21] <Polah> larious: If you're just running Java programs, you want JRE. OpenJDK comes with 10.10 by default, Sun Java 6 requires the Canonical partners repository to be installed
[17:21] <ohsix> benzaldehyde: please, we're trying to diagnose something
[17:21] <ohsix> porg: well i told you about rmmod earlier; do it  now
[17:21] <porg> ohsix: So is it ok now? Under the current state?
[17:21] <trism> guampa1: there is information on how to add support here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SoundMenu and depending on the app someone may have already written a plugin, like for exaile here http://sunng.info/blog/2010/11/exaile-sound-menu-integration/
[17:21] <porg> ohsix: ok. thx
[17:21] <Polah> larious: If you're not developing Java problems, you don't need the JDK
[17:21] <frank_> ohsix: when I only had the ethernet connected, rmmod gave me the error above and eth0 didn't show up in ifconfig. It still did not recognize the connection, thought he PC activity light on the modem was blinking as it normally would
[17:21] <ohsix> Polah: problems :d
[17:22] <Polah> ohsix: What?
[17:22] <porg> ohsix: rmrod ran without returning anything, so seems to have worked.
[17:22] <porg> ohsix: next step?
[17:22] <frank_> benzaldehyde: how would I correct that (sorry I didn' tnotice your PM till now)
[17:22] <ohsix> frank_: right, i mean after modprobe, rmmod, modprobe; plug cable in
[17:22] <larious> Polah: I am install this offline and I was ask to install it into /usr/java, but there is no directory called java in the usr directory
[17:22] <frank_> ohsix: right now, the ethernet is still plugged in, but I'm connected with USB
[17:22] <ohsix> Polah: read what you said :D
[17:22] <guampa1> trism: i was just getting to that link, i'll see if i can get the app integrated (pulseaudio global eq), just not very happy with the scheme, but thats other story. thanks a lot dude
[17:23] <vagvaf> if i install gnome-shell upon unity, will it break ?
[17:23] <larious> Polah: I am install this offline and I was ask to install it into /usr/java, but there is no directory called java in the usr directory
[17:23] <komp> komp
[17:23] <cdavis> Where does alien save the created .deb file? It says "iseriesaccess_6.1.0-2.2_i386.deb generated" but I can't find that file anywhere?
[17:23] <benzaldehyde> ohsix: modprobe would make sense if it weren't working before
[17:24] <odio> cdavis:  did you look in the home directory?
[17:24] <frank_> ohsix: sorry, I'm a little confused. WHen I plugged hte USB back in, it picked up the internet connection with no problem. I never ran a "modprobe" command, only "rmmod r8169"
[17:24] <benzaldehyde> ohsix: it was working now it's not, so it must be someth he did
[17:24] <ohsix> benzaldehyde: no, it's not
[17:24] <frank_> ohsix: at no time did it recognize the ethernet, though the modem seemed to get some PC Activity
[17:24] <porg> ohsix: Don't know whether there is a next step involved, but i can tell you that syslog now remains unchanged, BT finally shuts up ;-)
[17:24] <cdavis> odio: Yes, of both my local user and root. I did a find / | grep iseriesaccess_6.1.0-2.2_i386.deb and it found nothing
[17:24] <CreateISO> Hello. I extract the content of an Ubunto image. I just want to recreate the iso (bootable) of this content but if I try to install it it tells me "No bootable medium was found"
[17:25] <Polah> larious: Ohhh, you're that guy who couldn't install Sun Java because you were using some tunnelling thing or something ridiculous. There's /usr/bin/java to actually run the java programs..
[17:25] <larious> Polah: I am install this offline and I was ask to install it into /usr/java, but there is no directory called java in the usr directory
[17:25] <odio> cdavis:  gnome yes?
[17:25] <cdavis> odio: yes
[17:25] <ohsix> frank_: ok, modprobe r8169, plug the ethernet cable in; you missed that step :P (also see if it works, ie no usb)
[17:25] <ohsix> prog: you're all done, now check temps in a half hour
[17:25] <odio> cdavis:   well try something simple  open Places/search for files,,, File system   and the name of the .deb package
[17:26] <frank_> ohsix: sorry about that. Okay, I'll (A) disconnect USB, (B) run modprobe r8169, (C) plug in ethernet and see if it works?
[17:26] <Polah> larious: I don't know about manually installing Java.
[17:26] <ohsix> benzaldehyde: he's the second person i've seen with the media/negotiation problem, and the first to run the tests to check
[17:26] <ohsix> frank_: correct
[17:26] <odio> cdavis:  did you look in the directory of the files you turned into deb
[17:26] <liwenjin> jjjjj'
[17:26] <agronholm> hi, does anyone know how to get dead keys to work in Qt apps?
[17:26] <frank_> okay one sec
[17:26] <cdavis> odio: yes, seems very strange
[17:26] <larious> Polah: Yah but in the site that I study http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.xml#selfextracting/ It want putting into the /usr/java
[17:27] <larious> Polah: but I found the java folder in /usr/share
[17:27] <Polah> larious: Hang on let me look at Sun Java on my serve.
[17:27] <ohsix> agronholm: good question, you probably will need to ask in a kde/qt user channel where there are users with dead keys, it's over my head at least (insofar i do not know why they would not be working, if its not a keymap with dead keys)
[17:28] <benzaldehyde> ohsix: second person to have it working fine one minute then not at all the next. seems unlikeyl but i will take your word on that
[17:28] <Polah> larious: Yeah I see no /usr/java. I can't help you, sorry.
[17:28] <truepurple> For radeon cards, would you guys recommend using the linux drivers off of amds website?
[17:28] <rodhash> ohsix: adblock works on any advert.. flashblock works on flash in the websites.. will they help to protect my memory / performance?
[17:28] <ohsix> benzaldehyde: computers are only deterministic by chance
[17:28] <agronholm> ohsix: it's apparently only a problem in a gnome environment
[17:28] <Polah> Truepurple: How else would you do it?
[17:28] <agronholm> and dead keys work fine in gtk apps
[17:28] <sipior> ohsix: that's a lovely expression. mind if i steal it?
[17:29] <agronholm> but if I press ¨ and a I am supposed to get ä but I only get ¨a
[17:29] <ohsix> rodhash: yes, ad images won't be loaded, which is significant; but bartab will save the most
[17:29] <abahkaiyisah> help, i lost my lubuntu username and password. what should i do ?
[17:29] <ohsix> sipior: sure
[17:29] <genii-around> larious: Usually somewhere like /usr/lib/jvm/<specific-jave-versionnamehere>/bin
[17:29] <ohsix> sipior: or no, go ahead; agh, picking up my dad answering negativesw wrong
[17:29] <frank_> ohsix: I did what you said, still nothing, though eth0 showed up in ifconfig again. This time, there was no "PC Activity" light on the modem.
[17:30] <truepurple> Polah: well perhaps there might be a better more unofficial driver?
[17:30] <ohsix> frank_: ok thanks
[17:30] <ohsix> frank_: no clear solution for you, but it confirms my suspicions
[17:30] <frank_> ohsix: what are your suspicions?
[17:30] <agronholm> ohsix: I don't think #kde has much incentive to help with qt issues on gnome
[17:30] <rodhash> ohsix: thanks... but firefox 4 has a native tab manager, hasn't it?
[17:30] <larious> Polah: on your server where did you find java folder
[17:30] <agronholm> and I have no clue which channel I should be asking on
[17:30] <truepurple> Polah: Some people have said ATI doesn't have much for drivers
[17:31] <Polah> larious: I have a /usr/share/java
[17:31] <ohsix> frank_: problem with negotiations with that driver & some cable modems
[17:31] <ohsix> agronholm: "on" gnome?
[17:31] <frank_> ohsix: could I resinstall the driver or something?
[17:31] <agronholm> ohsix: I have the stock ubuntu 10.10
[17:31] <agronholm> not kubuntu or anything
[17:31] <truepurple> How do you alt-tab/switch between programs with ubuntu?
[17:31] <frank_> ohsix: i could probably get a new modem from Comcast and see if that helps
[17:32] <larious> Polah: in the folder java, what and what do you find there
[17:32] <porg> ohsix: Only DHCP loggs about every 30 min to syslog, besides this, nothing anymore. Fan still unchangedly loud.
[17:32] <ohsix> rodhash: it does, but it wont do what bartab does by default, and bartab lets you unload tabs manually; and it will shade the tab, all things the one in ff won't
[17:32] <porg> ohsix: What shall we do now?
[17:32] <sipior> truepurple: alt-tab doesn't work for you?
[17:32] <ohsix> porg: tell me the temp in a half hour
[17:32] <ohsix> frank_: its not the modem
[17:32] <truepurple> sipior: Not when in battle for wesnoth for example
[17:32] <frank_> ohsix: can I resinstall the driver?
[17:33] <porg> ohsix: Ok, I pause the machine, give it some time to cool off, then resume, then return to the chat. Ok?
[17:33] <ohsix> frank_: you basicaqlly just did for all intents and purposes
[17:33] <truepurple> sipior: Is there a alternative command to alt tab?
[17:33] <ohsix> porg sure
[17:33] <sipior> truepurple: try running the game in windowed mode
[17:33] <porg> ohsix: That Xsensors is reliable, isn't it?
[17:33] <frank_> ohsix: Do you think I sould get a new card?
[17:33] <truepurple> sipior: No good, ubuntu has a window sizing issue. I have to run things on a higher resolution due to my tiny monitor
[17:34] <sipior> truepurple: oh well.
[17:34] <prome> hello
[17:34] <ohsix> frank_: nah
[17:34] <truepurple> sipior: And so I can't see the full game if I have it in windowed mode
[17:34] <porg> ohsix: Only a frontend to the CLI device data stuff we read, anyway? Right?
[17:34] <prome> brb
[17:34] <wildc4rd_> evenin all
[17:34] <truepurple> sipior: Is there a alternative command to alt tab?
[17:34] <frank_> ohsix: Okay, well thanks for your help. I'll jsut us a USB for the time being
[17:34] <sipior> truepurple: not to my knowledge, no.
[17:34] <larious> Polah: in the folder java, what and what do you find there
[17:34] <frank_> benzaldrehyde: thanks for your help too
[17:34] <ray24> My dictionary is broken
[17:35] <porg> ohsix: Yes, I can confirm, they both now show 56 C.
[17:35] <frank_> Thanks everybody
[17:35] <porg> Ok, see you in 30min. I really hope u r still here then, otherwise this long odysee would miss its good end!!!
[17:35] <genii-around> larious: They have been gone from the channel for a while now
[17:35] <porg> ohsix: Ok, see you in 30min. I really hope u r still here then, otherwise this long odysee would miss its good end!!!
[17:35] <ray24> I get this message when I search for words "Connection failed to the dictionary server at dict.org:2628"
[17:35] <truepurple> sipior: Ok I have download the driver of radeon 6xxx off of ATI website, how do I install it?
[17:35] <ohsix> frank_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/714732 & https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/690730 contain recent changes in the driver for your ethernet card
[17:36] <monkeyD> hey guys, I am looking fro an easy snapshot system tool like deep freez for linux but where you also can change the homefolder
[17:36] <larious> genii-around: can you help me please, having a java problem  on my system
[17:36] <ohsix> agtryfugiojok[p
[17:37] <ohsix> too bad he left
[17:37] <ohsix> oh well, there will be a third
[17:37] <porg> ohsix: Will you be here then?
[17:38] <larious> ubottu: if I am installing Java, where can i find the dictory
[17:39] <truepurple> How do I install a driver?
[17:39] <yoh_> test
[17:39] <benzaldehyde> larious: ubottu is a bot
[17:39] <larious> benzaldehyd
[17:39] <ohsix> porg: yes
[17:39] <larious> benzaldehyde: ok but he talked to me yesterday
[17:39] <BlackDragonTechy> The bot doesn't talk to you. It gives scripted responses based on triggers.
[17:40] <ActionParsnip> monkeyD: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=172374
[17:41] <nickor> does anyone have a  chess game recommendation for ubuntu?
[17:41] <truepurple> How do I install a ATI video card driver under ubuntu?
[17:41] <benzaldehyde> ohsix: he has a habbit of doing that, almost makes the entire thing not worth talking to him about
[17:41] <genii-around> larious: When you install a different java than the default, put it somewhere like where i told you. eg: usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/ or so. Then tell the system to use that instead of the usual one by adding it to the list of possible java choices. eg: sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/bin/java 1       tells there is a new possible java binary now in that  /usr/lib/jvm path. Then : sudo update-
[17:41] <genii-around> alternatives java     to be able to tell the system to use that specific one
[17:41] <iceroot_> truepurple: depending on the driver
[17:42] <iceroot_> !ati | truepurple
[17:42] <truepurple> iceroot_: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.42&lang=English
[17:42] <iceroot_> truepurple: use the link from ubottu
[17:42] <genii-around> larious: The last command given should be: sudo update-alternatives --config java    , sorry
[17:42] <Pusluska> Hello! I'm having trouble with mye cable connection! I have an external IP, but I can't ping, can't get http, but I can stream web-TV. anyone knows what might be wrong?? *desperate*
[17:43] <sjh518168> 大家好哦啊
[17:43] <erUSUL> Pusluska: what error do you get from ping?
[17:43] <erUSUL> !cn
[17:43] <Pusluska> unknown host
[17:44] <benzaldehyde> Pusluska: external ip?
[17:44] <ohsix> benzaldehyde: that wont fix r8169
[17:44] <ohsix> [5~
[17:44] <nickor> brutal chess seems coo
[17:44] <monkeyD> hey guy, do you know a system snap shoot tool ?
[17:44] <Craig`> hey guys i just bought a tv to pc sound cable
[17:44] <BluesKaj> I was away for a while checking on my old linksys router/modem ...I assumed most routers had modems but it seems now anything with ethernet ports qualifiies as a router , now I understand why benzaldehyde asked if I was joking ..we used to call them hubs , but I'm old so I'd better buck up on the new device definitions
[17:45] <kryl> hi
[17:45] <Craig`> when i plug it in i hear no sound on my tv (though when i plug my speakers in i hear the sound), i've went in volume control and assured i'm using the corrcet port etc but i'm not sure what else i should be doing. thanks.
[17:45] <kryl> I don't know why but I have thousands of errors lines with : "[11638.308068] NVRM: os_raise_smp_barrier(), invalid context!"
[17:45] <Pusluska> yes, I've got an IP
[17:45] <kryl> in syslog of course :)
[17:45] <ohsix> BluesKaj: hubs switches and routers are all different things, and they all have ethernet ports
[17:46] <BluesKaj> ethernet hub then , ohsix
[17:46] <Rb_> hi every1
[17:47] <ohsix> BluesKaj: no, router; and a router has-a switch
[17:47] <BluesKaj> heh, I still have a usb hub somewhere too
[17:47] <benzaldehyde> Craig`: you bought a tv to pc, card?
[17:47] <Rb_> is there anyone whose using 11.04 beta??
[17:47] <fosterdv> What you trying to do Rb_ ?
[17:48] <benzaldehyde> Rb_: me
[17:48] <llutz> !11.04 | Rb_
[17:48] <ohsix> BluesKaj: a hub is an old piece of kit that broadcasts anything recieved at any port, a switch learns mac addresses and sends them to the right port directly, fewer collisions and way less traffic for computers you don't really care about
[17:48] <Rb_> i have a lost the sidebar ! how it back ?
[17:48] <Craig`> benzaldehyde: so i havent bought a card, only a sound cable, before i had the same setup (vga to vga and then a sound cable), though this time i needed a longer one so i've got dvi to dvi (which works fine) and a sound cable, though no sound is coming from it.
[17:49] <Sandoss> Hello
[17:49] <Sandoss> Anybody here who can help me with a problem with installing Ubuntu Netbook?
[17:49] <Pici> Rb_: Support for Natty is in #ubuntu+1, not #ubuntu
[17:49] <Craig`> benzaldehyde: http://www.logicsupply.com/images/photos/cables/RCAAudio_big.jpg is the cable
[17:49] <webb> Hi guys.. Anyone here care to help me with WEBMIN?
[17:49] <kamen> Sandoss: What's your problem with Ubuntu Netbook?
[17:50] <lrussell> hi
[17:50] <truepurple> Dang it, its downloading and installing a program, and I want it to stop, but its not respecting cancel or clicking the x
[17:50] <Sandoss> kamen: When I install it from a usb drive I get an error when selecting 'install alongside other OS'
[17:50] <monkeyD> does anybody know deepfreez, there is a linux alternative called ofris, but I am looking for a tool that is more editable, with other word where you also can unfreez your homefolder
[17:50] <benzaldehyde> Craig`: why would you want the sound from your tv to go to your computer?
[17:50] <truepurple> How do I stop a program?
[17:51] <lrussell> would ubuntu server run with a processor under 300 mhz?
[17:51] <lrussell> about 280 mhz
[17:51] <truepurple> Someone, please help me quick
[17:51] <ohsix> lrussell: it would be quite a slog, but yes
[17:51] <benzaldehyde> Rb_: join #ubuntu+1
[17:51] <Sandoss> kamen: I select install now which gives me an error "An error occurred while writing the changes to the storage devices. The resize operation has been aborted.'
[17:51] <Craig`> benzaldehyde: i dont, i want the sound to go from my computer to my tv, fine a pc -> sound cablet hen.
[17:51] <Craig`> ..
[17:52] <lrussell> I meant 450 mhz
[17:52] <truepurple> How do I stop a program from installing?
[17:52] <lrussell> yes, it would work fine i would think
[17:52] <rodhash> ohsix: Just to let you and all know.. I just deactivated / reactivated the swap and it cleaned it up.. I'll try it when my SWAP takes lot of memory.. :)
[17:52] <truepurple> How do I stop a program from installing?
[17:52] <slarikan> slm
[17:52] <benzaldehyde> Rb_: they can help you with natty
[17:52] <kamen> Sandoss: Hmm, I see. You're trying to install a dual-boot system, right? Which partition are you installing Ubuntu on?
[17:52] <llutz> truepurple: sudo apt-get remove package
[17:53] <kamen> Sandoss: i.e., sometimes (especially on Macs) you'd need to install Ubuntu in the second partition, so that the MBR is still available for the "official" OS.
[17:53] <Pusluska> why won't  http work on network cable when I can stream web-TV?
[17:53] <ohsix> rodhash: did you check with smem how much less memory it takes with adblock & bartab?
[17:53] <rodhash> Anyone here knows if there's any problem deactivating / reactivating the swap? Does it harm my data or programs ?
[17:53] <truepurple> llutz: No, how do I stop it from installing in the first place??
[17:53] <rodhash> ohsix: Yes, it was firefox
[17:53] <Sandoss> kamen: I'm just installing it on a win7 netbook, and I wouldn't have a clue which partition. I haven't changed anything to factory settings if that helps
[17:53] <kamen> Sandoss: Still, that shouldn't be giving you any trouble until you reboot after the installation. It sounds like you're having a problem with resizing partitions. Tricky. Is a clean install fully out of the question?
[17:53] <truepurple> llutz: Hurry please, else it will be too late
[17:54] <CarlFK> how do I tell what repo these are coming from?  http://dpaste.de/oatE/   libjack-dev : Depends: libjack0 (= 1:0.118+svn3796-7ubuntu1) but 6:1.9.6~dfsg.1-3ubuntu2+fixes1~maverick2 is to be installed
[17:54] <manco> Hi people
[17:54] <benzaldehyde> Craig`: S-video can do picture and sound
[17:54] <Sandoss> kamen: If by clean install you mean erasing the disc, it is indeed out of the question as I only want it for sporadic use\
[17:54] <ohsix> rodhash: i know, you mentioned that, i was just wondering if you did before & after and saw an appreciable difference
[17:55] <CarlFK> benzaldehyde: S-video can do sound?
[17:55] <Craig`> benzaldehyde: as can hdmi.. i'm not asking for alternatives i'm asking what's wrong.
[17:55] <prome> hello
[17:55] <prome> i have a network issue
[17:55] <Craig`> this has worked before but with different sound cable, so i dont know if it's the cable or what.
[17:55] <prome> internet connecting issue
[17:55] <kamen> Sandoss: Hmmm, yes, then it might be a bit more complicated. To be honest, I've only done dual-boot installs on an old PPC Mac. Wouldn't know what the issues can be on a Win7 netbook. Can anyone else chip in with some advice?
[17:55] <benzaldehyde> CarlFK: well maybe not sound, i don't remember
[17:56] <manco> hey prome, know someone who can tell me where can i find crash logs ?
[17:56] <lrussell> do you think a pc from 1996 with a 6gb main hd, 450 mhz processor,and a 1TB usb hd could run an ubuntu mirror? xD
[17:56] <maheanuu> what is the name of the ubuntu beginners channel?
[17:56] <prome> manco i didnt get u?
[17:56] <CarlFK> benzaldehyde: "S-Video carries standard definition video (typically at 480i or 576i resolution), but does not carry audio on the same cable."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svideo
[17:56] <aeon-ltd> maheanuu: just ask here....
[17:56] <bamabige_> join #gentoo
[17:57] <ohsix> manco: /var/log; the apport crash reports are stored in there too
[17:57] <prome> I am unable to connect to the internet through DSL. I can use it in Windows 7 easily. I use a Broadband PPPoe with an user name and password along with a service name. I have set up a DSL in ubuntu and I have placed the required user name and password there and I have also entered the service name in the field between the username and password. But it shows to be disconnected every time i try
[17:57] <prome> to dial the connection.
[17:57] <prome> I have also tried with the "sudo ppoeconf" command and "setpppoe 1.0 software" and failed.
[17:57] <sipior> lrussell: ram is likely the principal bottleneck.
[17:57] <lrussell> it has 384 mb of ram
[17:57] <manco> @prome: im also with a network issue, but it will crash/freeze the whole box.. i was wandering where i can find the logs for asking help in a more acurate way :)
[17:57] <maheanuu> I did several times and didn't get an answer, I am having a problem with media player trying to open any and all files and folders it is acting like file manager and I cannot seem to get out of this mode
[17:57] <nickor> is there website that shows ratings of ubuntu apps / games ?
[17:58] <prome> how to get the log
[17:58] <sipior> lrussell: the server install should run fine on that, depending on what sort of paces you want to put it through...
[17:58] <ohsix> nickor: software-center has ratings
[17:58] <prome> what is the command
[17:58] <benzaldehyde> Craig`: audio out seems to me that it would be just a matter of telling the audio where to go
[17:58] <prome> is it plog?
[17:58] <monkeyD> hey guys, nobody here who can help me ?:(
[17:58] <bonjoyee> prome: does "sudo pppoe-discovery" give any output?
[17:58] <prome> OK
[17:58] <sugoruyo> hi folks, anyone ever have trouble starting mysql on an ubuntu 10.10 server?
[17:58] <syrinx_> !ask | monkeyD
[17:58] <prome> BUT I WILL BE Late
[17:58] <nickor> where are the ratings located ohsix?
[17:59] <wollex> re
[17:59] <manco> someone, im having a network issue, but it will crash/freeze the whole box.. i was wandering where i can find the logs for asking help in a more accurate way :)
[17:59] <ohsix> sugoruyo: no more than regular, could your database need repaiting/checked?
[17:59] <Seven_Six_Two> manco, /var/logs
[18:00] <monkeyD> syrinx_: do you know a system snap shoot tool, or a system freez tool for linux like deepfreez, but where you also can unfreez your homefolder or where you can make snapshot of your system and loead them when ever you want
[18:00] <lrussell> what is better for a server, xubuntu, or ubuntu server.
[18:00] <syrinx_> lol
[18:00] <syrinx_> monkeyD: no, but ill check google
[18:01] <manco> @762: thanks, should i look for some file in particular ?  (i know its a wifi related issue, since it only crashes when im connectign or even with the wcard up)
[18:01] <ikonia> lrussell: both are fine
[18:01] <bonjoyee> lrussell: server..if you dont need the gui..
[18:01] <Seven_Six_Two> monkeyD, you want a backup solution? There are a bunch of ways.
[18:01] <maheanuu> being a beginner, I would very much like to find the Ubuntu beginners group on freenode
[18:01] <lrussell> I wanted the gui, easier to work with
[18:01] <sugoruyo> ohsix: maybe... how would i check? all i know how to do to check it is sudo service mysql status which says it's in "post-start/respawning" and a look at /var/log/mysql.err and .log shows them both empty
[18:02] <bluenemo> i have a black wallpaper and my text on my icons is also black. how to change it?
[18:02] <bluenemo> i want white text :)
[18:02] <manco> @762: thanks, should i look for some file in particular ?  (i know its a wifi related issue, since it only crashes when im connectign or even with the wcard up)
[18:02] <bonjoyee> lrussell: then you could try ubuntu server+ lxde ...its way lighter than xfce...
[18:02] <Seven_Six_Two> monkeyD, dd is a command line utility that you can use to create an image of a partition. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem
[18:02] <nickor> ohsix ive throughly explored the software center, it might be my bad eyes but I dont see ratings, is it possible I turned off the ability to see the ratings?
[18:02] <lrussell> how do i conbine them?
[18:02] <BluesKaj> Craig`, if you have hdmi connected to your tv and don't have audio , in some cases the graphics card with hdmi also requires a connection from the soundcard out to the graphics card audio input , if so equipped
[18:03] <monkeyD> syrinx_: I didnt find something usefull, but I dont want to make an image of my partition
[18:03] <monkeyD> I want to lock my system
[18:03] <monkeyD> and unlock it if I want
[18:03] <monkeyD> syrinx_: do you know deepfreez ?
[18:03] <ruan> bluenemo: edit your theme?
[18:03] <ohsix> nickor: and my eyes might be colored by natty; if they aren't there in mav they're on the way :D
[18:03] <rodhash> Guys is there any way to highlight messages sent to me? I'm new in IRC and sometimes I got lost with too many messages
[18:03] <manco> @monkeyD>  ctrl+alt+L  ?
[18:03] <bluenemo> ruan, where can i find that?
[18:04] <ruan> bluenemo: right click desktop, change background, themes, customize
[18:04] <nickor> double reference i didnt get, thats rare
[18:04] <ohsix> sugoruyo: there are tools w/mysql to check the tables & the manual is pretty great, but if the logs are empty it could be any number of things
[18:04] <nickor> no edbian today :(
[18:04] <syrinx_> monkeyD: yea, we had it at my high school
[18:05] <s3rr> i just chown 777 / and fucked everything up
[18:05] <ohsix> wow
[18:05] <s3rr> ssh wont even accelt connections
[18:05] <monkeyD> syrinx_: its a great tool, and you can choose with partitoons or folders you want to freez
[18:05] <s3rr> accept*
[18:05] <Seven_Six_Two> monkeyD, well any normal user can't make system troubles, but if you want to create a template for new user directories (the only part that can give trouble), there is a skel directory somewhere. maybe /etc
[18:05] <syrinx_> monkeyD: you could just lock your home folder
[18:05] <sipior> s3rr: time to consult your backups...
[18:06] <ohsix> monkeyD: what you're looking for can probably be done with lvm, or one of the filesystems with it built in
[18:06] <monkeyD> syrinx_: I want to lock all the folder and unlock my homefolder, with otherwords I want only be able to save files but nothing on my system
[18:06] <s3rr> sipior: no way to restore even with physical access to the server?
[18:06] <Craig`> BluesKaj: i said that hdmi would have worked.. i didn't say that i was using hdmi
[18:06] <sugoruyo> ohsix: there is another log file in /var/log/mysql/error.log which has some entries with today's date, but they're three hours ahead of current time, i'm worried it might have something to do with it
[18:06] <ruan> !language
[18:06] <sipior> s3rr: sure. set every permission set by hand. have fun.
[18:06] <ohsix> s3rr: not completely
[18:06] <syrinx_> *facepalm*
[18:07] <Craig`> as i said i have a pc -> tv sound card, showed in the link i provided
[18:07] <monkeyD> manco: what is ctrl+alt+L  ?
[18:07] <ruan> ubottu, wake up
[18:07] <bluenemo> ruan, thank you got it
[18:07] <s3rr> awesome..
[18:07] <sugoruyo> the server is hosted in a vm (host Ubuntu 10.10, guest Ubuntu Server 10.10, vmware)
[18:07] <lrussell> hi
[18:07] <lrussell> lol
[18:07] <Seven_Six_Two> monkeyD, and if someone trashes their account, that's the logical place to have a template.
[18:07] <ohsix> s3rr: debsums might be able to do it, but i don't think so; you'd need to reinstall every package and manually fix hundreds of directories
[18:07] <lol> lrussell: yes?
[18:07] <ruan> ubottu: why are you sleeping :(
[18:08] <manco> Seven_Six_Two: which file should i look into on /var/log after a crash.. ?  (i think is network related.. )
[18:08] <Seven_Six_Two> monkeyD, what do you mean by "nothing on the system"?  If you don't want system changes, don't do anything requiring root.
[18:08] <lrussell> how do i use rsync to mirror a ftp server, automaticly
[18:08] <ohsix> sugoruyo: it might, ntpdate a time server & try andget it close to real time
[18:08] <ikonia> lrussell: depends if your ftp site is anonymous
[18:08] <lrussell> and lol, bad name.
[18:08] <lrussell> it is anomas
[18:08] <lol> lol
[18:09] <ikonia> lrussell: just treat it as rsyncing a website then
[18:09] <hwilde> when using apt-get with --download-only option, is there a way to change the location where the files are downloaded?  or to have them wrapped up in a nice tar file?   (for when there are 100 dependencies)
[18:09] <ruan> lol: lol
[18:09] <lrussell> lol: lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
[18:09] <ikonia> lrussell: please don't
[18:09] <ohsix> hwilde: you'd need to use -o to set one of the APT:: options, specifically the archive location
[18:10] <lrussell> ikonia: how do i make it automaticly download changes?
[18:10] <Seven_Six_Two> manco, it depends on what you were doing. If your system crashed or froze, it could be logged elsewhere. try dmesg  before reboot. look in /var/logs/messages  in console, go to /var/logs and type  ls -lrt     most recent files should be at the bottom of the list. check them all
[18:10] <sugoruyo> ohsix: i have done that, the vm's clock seems to be pretty crappy for some reason... maybe 'cause i start/supsend it all the time
[18:10] <ikonia> lrussell: just set it to run on a regular basis, it will pickup the changes
[18:10] <lrussell> how though?
[18:10] <weecol> any i have help finding a work organisation
[18:10] <hwilde> ohsix, yes, -o to set options... any idea how which example?
[18:11] <ikonia> lrussell: crontab for running at a regular basis, and rsync is the tool to use
[18:11] <lrussell> im gonna use xubuntu
[18:11] <hwilde> ohsix, I need to just download the .debs and move them to another machine without internet, but this one has about 100 dependencies...
[18:11] <syrinx_> for a server?
[18:11] <ohsix> sugoruyo: maybe, ntpdate should be ran on resume if its really bad, and ntpd in between
[18:11] <Seven_Six_Two> manco, hard disk troubles can do bad things for you too, but might only appear when you're downloading (trying to write to bad drive)
[18:11] <ikonia> lrussell: that's fine, xubuntu is fine
[18:12] <Wobs> Anyone got a second to answer a quick question? I am installing Ubuntu for the first time ever because I keep hearing from friends how awesome it is. I have this weird problem where the installation get's stuck at "updating the list of avalible packages" :|
[18:12] <ruan> hwilde: download em all and dpkg *.deb
[18:12] <lrussell> is there a tutorial anywhere that can guide me through setting up the server, rsync, and everything
[18:12] <ohsix> hwilde: you might try this instead of doing it manually http://keryxproject.org/
[18:12] <syrinx_> Wobs: is your internet plugged in?
[18:12] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, did you opt to connect during the install, or after the reboot? are you on wireless?
[18:12] <ikonia> lrussell: tons of info on the web, and "man rsync" for the options
[18:12] <manco> Seven_Six_Two: yes, it will crash/freeze completly (not only GUI, but console also) so no dmesg aviable before reboot. I narrowed it to a network issue, Only while connected via Wifi.. not ethernet, nor with wifi card down...
[18:12] <sugoruyo> ohsix: i might just set up ntpd and not supsend but poweroff instead
[18:13] <arosen> Hello, I'm running 10.04 and right now I'm getting the following error message on boot up. /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off (initramfs)  Any idea's how to fix this?
[18:13] <lrussell> ikonia: what is "man rsync"
[18:13] <monkeyD> Seven_Six_Two: ok here we go :)  well, deep freez is a tool that creates a "copy" of your system but you dont notice it, you can choose a partition that you want to freez, for exampe c:\, if its freezed I can delet all folders, put a virus on it and make any bad things with it that you can imagine, after a reboot you will get the same system that you freezed, because it deletes the virtual copy of your system and creates a new one, but other par
[18:13] <ikonia> lrussell: a command to see the options for rsync
[18:13] <sugoruyo> ohsix: for now i just need to get mysql back up so i can get on with things...
[18:13] <lrussell> oh
[18:13] <syrinx_> lrussell: man is the manual
[18:13] <Seven_Six_Two> manco, do any keyboard lights flash when it freezes?
[18:13] <ohsix> hwilde: as for the option, i'd have to look it up too, but its in the apt documentation
[18:13] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: It checked my internet connection at the start and said everything was ok. I keep waiting for a timeout to happen or something, but it ain't :|
[18:13] <lrussell> is rsync automaticly installed on xubuntu
[18:13] <monkeyD> Seveas: I know ofris but it freezes your whole system :(
[18:13] <ohsix> sugoruyo: i can't offer much more, i haven't used mysql in some time
[18:14] <ikonia> lrussell: if not, it's easy to install with the package manager
[18:14] <manco> Seven_Six_Two: yes, bloqnum does blink..
[18:14] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, it might be that there is a server issue. I know that Waterloo (canada) had hardware issues recently
[18:14] <rodhash> Guys what IRC client do you suggest me? Actually I'm using pidgin
[18:14] <lrussell> ok, thanks for all the help! :D you guys are the greatest. im a linux newbie.
[18:14] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: Would it not time out thought? been like this for about 15 minutes, should I just pull the internet plug and hope it times out?
[18:14] <manco> roadhash: im using xChat... quite pleased..
[18:14] <ohsix> rodhash: irssi, grit your teeth and bear it
[18:15] <Seven_Six_Two> manco, I'm not sure what bloqnum is, but if it's caps lock, scroll lock, or num lock, then you are likely having a kernel panic. Bad driver.
[18:15] <rodhash> hehe
[18:15] <rodhash> thanks
[18:15] <ohsix> rodhash: it's a workhorse, and you can screen it
[18:15] <sugoruyo> ohsix: i was wondering if perhaps you (or someone else reading this) might be able to point me to a way to monitor mysql's startup process to see where it hangs
[18:15] <Wobs> ohsix: What ya mean grit your teeth? Irssi is awesome, alternatively you can use quassel
[18:15] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, can you go back?
[18:15] <BluesKaj> Seven_Six_Two, I'm on the Waterloo repos ...haven't had a prob so far.
[18:15] <rodhash> ohsix: Does it accept other protocols like msn, xmpp, etc?
[18:15] <ohsix> Wobs: it is, but theres a learning curve not present with things other people would suggest
[18:15] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: It's stuck on "installing the base system" 73% "updating the list of available pacakges" i did a disk check and this is hte second tiem trying
[18:15] <lrussell> is there a good vnc server for xubuntu, it will be my only way to change settings on my server
[18:15] <monkeyD> Seven_Six_Two: so any ideas ?
[18:15] <iceroot_> rodhash: irssi is not what you are looking for i guess (but its the best client out there) i guess you want a gui client like xchat
[18:15] <Seven_Six_Two> BluesKaj, oh, then they're fixed. that was a few days ago
[18:16] <ohsix> rodhash: no, but you can use bitlbee & connect to it like an irc server
[18:16] <rodhash> ok, let me try
[18:16] <monkeyD> Seven_Six_Two: I heared that there is a snapshot tool for linux
[18:16] <sipior> monkeyD: LVM2 gives you that sort of functionality (filesystem snapshots)
[18:16] <manco> Seven_Six_Two: sorry, i was looking a spanish keyboard, yes, its Num lock. Kernel panic.. ok.. so that should be on the kern.log right ?
[18:16] <s3rr> sipior: false alarm, got into shell after a reboot.  looking at history i did: sudo chown 777 -r /
[18:16] <Seven_Six_Two> monkeyD, not exactly. that sounds like a live cd to me. almost.
[18:16] <lrussell> oh, sorry wrong channel
[18:16] <ohsix> rodhash: theres online help and its all rather comprehensible
[18:17] <monkeyD> sipior: going to try it mate :)
[18:17] <s3rr> sipior: i do now instead get sudo: must be setuid root
[18:17] <catphish> i am having a problem with sshd not starting on boot because the interface it's listening on isn't ready
[18:17] <Dice-Man> i believed the sudo cmd was prohibed
[18:17] <lrussell> im still here... xD
[18:17] <catphish> is there any way to delay the start of sshd a little?
[18:17] <catphish> or continually attempt to spawn it
[18:17] <Travis-42_> Empathy is telling me that the facebook certificate is "self-signed" Has anyone else noticed this? Or might something fishy be going on?
[18:18] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: I will just try pulling the internet wire :p
[18:18] <Seven_Six_Two> manco, a panic might happen before a log write can happen. look at the most recent logs, esp kern.log and I think the otherone is messages. I thought there was a kernel oops log.
[18:18] <manco> catphish: you can use de "wait" command..
[18:18] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, are you 100% sure it's not working? it might take a while
[18:18] <ohsix> catphish: it should depend on networking being up first, how are you starting networking & sshd, letting the init scripts do it?
[18:18] <fosterdv> Question, does anyone know of any good methods to make the logs rotate?
[18:18] <llutz> fosterdv: logrotate ;)
[18:18] <catphish> ohsix: manco: i'm using upstart
[18:19] <ohsix> fosterdv: they already rotate
[18:19] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, can you get to a terminal?  Alt+ctrl+F1
[18:19] <catphish> and it seems that even though sshd depends on networking, it runs too soon
[18:19] <ohsix> sugoruyo: you could try starting it manually
[18:19] <ohsix> sugoruyo: i've had luck with running "set -x" before running the script to start it too
[18:19] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: 15 minutes :|
[18:20] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: The hard drive working light is not being lit either
[18:20] <manco> catphish: strange.. im running it on 10.04 server with no issues on boot.. (sorry, dont know upstart)
[18:20] <mkanyicy> when I joined this channel I just went to #ubuntu-regged, should I be concerned?
[18:20] <catphish> manco: you're probably not using sshd with a listen address
[18:21] <Dr_Willis> mkanyicy:  if you dont identify your nick fast enugh you can get sent there.
[18:21] <hwilde> how to change software sources mirror from command line   (like gksu software-properties-gtk  but in ubuntu server)
[18:21] <Dr_Willis> mkanyicy:  its a anti-spam feature
[18:21] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, sorry, I have to go to school. If it's downloading it might take a while. see if you can open a terminal and make sure you have an ip and that you can ping. if you can, I'd give it a while longer than that. It's downloading everything that is newer than what's on the disc
[18:21] <manco> catphish: mm.. no, just seted on a particular port.. and for the inbound i use dyndns..
[18:21] <llutz> catphish: how do you configure network, network-manager or ifupdown?
[18:21] <ohsix> hwilde: those files are in /etc/apt/sources.list(.d)
[18:21] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, and if you can get a terminal, check dmesg to see if there are any errors reported.
[18:21] <uno> buenas
[18:22] <Wobs> no.....could it be it has just frozen? :O
[18:22] <manco> catphish: good luck with that.. :)
[18:22] <manco> uno: hola..
[18:22] <fosterdv> ohsix: currently, my logs aren't rotating.. my logs are the same logs that I started with in November, and all new entries are appending to them
[18:22] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, what version are you installing? Where did you get the cd?
[18:22] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: Weird if it has frozen at the exact spot 2 times in a row. I cna't get to terminal seems frozen
[18:22] <ohsix> fosterdv: hm odd
[18:22] <manco> Seven_Six_Two: will search those logs.. thanks a lot
[18:22] <catphish> seems the solution was to set "start on started network-interface", "start on started network" didn't work
[18:22] <ohsix> fosterdv: did you change the syslog daemon or anything?
[18:22] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, does Alt+ctrl+F1 do anything?
[18:22] <catphish> sleep might be a good idea too though
[18:23] <Seven_Six_Two> manco, no problem.
[18:23] <fosterdv> ohsix: no sir, I haven't made any changes.. but, would I look there to make changes?
[18:23] <ohsix> fosterdv: well its related
[18:23] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: I can try a third time, and this time without installing LVM (not completly sure what it was but from the wiki it seemed useful)
[18:23] <fosterdv> ohsix, okay.. I'll look into that. Thank you.
[18:23] <ohsix> fosterdv: do you want to rotate by date or size? default seems to be size
[18:24] <hwilde> ohsix, and how do I run the utility to change them nicely
[18:24] <fosterdv> ohsix: I am trying by date.
[18:24] <ohsix> hwilde: on server i don't think there is one
[18:24] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, I don't use it, for that reason! That's a good idea. and I had issues with mixing ext3 and ext4, so I would recommend using one or the other.
[18:24] <ohsix> fosterdv: ok you'll need to do that manually then, one sec
[18:24] <hwilde> ohsix, why can't I run gksu software-properties-gtk  over ssh -X?   I can run xclock and things like that and it pops up the display remotely
[18:24] <mkanyicy> Dr_Willis, ok, thanks for that
[18:25] <iceroot_> hwilde: what about "sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list"?
[18:25] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, if it's download disc, make sure to md5 the iso, and also check disc for defects
[18:25] <fosterdv> ohsix: Thank you
[18:25] <porg> ohsix: The very good news: Fan rotates on mid or even silent level contrary to the loud level observed before!!! The bad news: I cannot surely isolate a causal event/reason, and hence help other Toshiba users, as multiple things happened: a) With your help I removed the toshiba_bluetooth kernel module, hence have far less syslog activity, hence less disk access. Sensor remains at 52C now compared to previously 57C! But besides this I al
[18:25] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: No ctrl + alt + f1 does nothing.
[18:25] <hwilde> iceroot_, I need the cool little applet that searches for the fastest mirror
[18:25] <porg> ohsix: Abort reading. I paste this into a box.
[18:25] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: Thanks for the help dude! I already did a disk check and it was fine. Terminal is frozen and no lights from the comp. Eve3rything seems dead. I will just install normall
[18:25] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: Thanks for the help again! :D
[18:26] <iceroot_> hwilde: wget or ping :)
[18:26] <ohsix> fosterdv: look at /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog
[18:26] <porg> ohsix: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589348/
[18:26] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, no problem! Come back if you have any questions!
[18:26] <Erix> hi
[18:26] <fosterdv> ohsix: Thank you for that, I'll do it right now.
[18:26] <hwilde> iceroot_, why can't I run it remotely over ssh -X ?   I can run stuff like xclock and it pops up the display just fine
[18:26] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: Yeah I might just stick aroudn til leverything works. ALthough I dbout hte disk is broken as i assume the whole "updating" thing is based from the web
[18:26] <rodhash_> hi
[18:27] <iceroot_> hwilde: i dont know
[18:27] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: That was some horrible spelling...sorry T.T
[18:27] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, it's easier on you if you don't update during the install too, as there are more options if something goes wrong
[18:27] <rodhash_> ohsix, I'm in (irssi) but that's weird I can't find you with 'tab'..
[18:27] <ohsix> porg: if thats all you did then it would have no impact
[18:27] <ohsix> rodhash_: theres an ohzie, type more :D
[18:28] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: ok thanks. I pulled the plug on the net, going to install without the LVM. I just read on a forum thread that I would hate myself if i needed it later but did not have it :P
[18:28] <rodhash_> ohsix, yep.. ohsize I found.. is it you too?
[18:28] <rodhash_> ohsix: oh I got it..
[18:28] <porg> So neither "GPU driver update", nor share "WLAN device" were the cause for 5C temp drop. We can surely say that the lower disk write has caused that temp drop?
[18:28] <maheanuu> Why has music player taken over as "file manager in my ubuntu 10.10  machine, I try to go to my external hard disk and music player wants to open and load everything
[18:28] <rodhash_> hehe
[18:28] <rodhash_> :P
[18:28] <Dr_Willis> Wobs:  ive never needed lvm :)
[18:28] <ohsix> porg: paste the output of smartctl -x /dev/sda (it will be long)
[18:28] <porg> ohsix: So neither "GPU driver update", nor share "WLAN device" were the cause for 5C temp drop. We can surely say that the lower disk write has caused that temp drop?
[18:29] <ohsix> maheanuu: you have a mime type problem
[18:29] <ohsix> porg: indeed
[18:29] <Wobs> Dr_Willis: Yeah I am completly new to ubuntu and going to use it as a server cause i kept hearing how awesome it was. It just seemed usefull :p
[18:29] <rodhash_> ohsix: This is a very cool client heim.. Thanks for the advice :-)
[18:29] <Dr_Willis> maheanuu:  i bookmarked a URL with info on fixing that  - its at my http://delicious.com/dr_willis page. its like one of the 3 most recently bookmarks
[18:29] <maheanuu> oshix, how do I get this dilemma solved?
[18:29] <ohsix> maheanuu: you picked "folder" to only open with media player, you can do it again and set it back to nautilus
[18:30] <rodhash_> help
[18:30] <porg> ohsix: I guess u r onbly interested in the HD temp sensor. Right?
[18:30] <ohsix> maheanuu: theres also a file you can edit but i can't remember the name
[18:30] <rodhash_> sorry, ignore my previous msg
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> Wobs:  i doubt if you need lvm.  Unless you are going to be doing some big fancy server stuff.
[18:30] <ohsix> porg: i'm interested in the output of that command, it will include the temperature
[18:30] <porg> ohsix: HD is at 43 C
[18:31] <porg> I know smartmontools by heart ;-) I use it a lot on various platforms (as I am a sysadmin too)
[18:31] <Wobs> Dr_Willis: nah just peronsla use for SVN and voice servers, maybe a game server
[18:31] <porg> ohsix: I don't want to show other output, as i m kind of ashamed for the HD (reallocated blocks etc)
[18:31] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, that does look pretty handy, but I've never needed anything like that. I manually set my partition sizes to what I want, and they've stayed.
[18:32] <ohsix> porg: don't be, but msg if you like
[18:32] <porg> ohsix: So is that temparature value enough for you? It is 43 C.
[18:32] <ohsix> porg: the smartctl output contains temperature history and other info i want to see
[18:32] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, and I'm running a web server and a diaspora node.
[18:33] <maheanuu> It doesn't seem to matter whether or not I left or rt click on any folder it automatically brings up music player...   docs , drives anything is brought up in music player
[18:33] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: Dude go, don't be like me. Always late for uni! :P
[18:33] <porg> ohsix: Ok but i ll anonimize it by removing the serial nr
[18:33] <rodhash_> Now in xchat, :P
[18:33] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, lol. you're right.   ;)
[18:33] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm a junkie!!!
[18:33] <ohsix> porg: as you wish
[18:33] <rodhash_> test
[18:34] <Travis-42_> Ubuntu doesn't seem to have the digicert CA installed in ca-certificates. Is this on purpose?
[18:34] <ohsix> rodhash_: i don't mind, but this isn't really a place to try out the fit :P
[18:35] <ohsix> Travis-42_: if it were i'm sure you'd want a much more authoratative answer than you can get here
[18:35] <Dr_Willis> maheanuu:  did you look at -> https://ubuntugenius.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/ubuntu-location-launchers-error-how-to-reset-gnome-panel-places-menu-launchers-to-open-with-nautilus/
[18:35] <porg> ohsix: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589351/
[18:35] <maheanuu> orsix, How do I get to folder?
[18:36] <Travis-42_> ohsix, true, but maybe someone would know where to look. it's odd because it means that core Ubuntu software like Empathy can't authenticate facebook chat and some other things
[18:36] <alecbenzer> https://gist.github.com/902032 why does that happen? if a .so is in my path shouldn't binaries be able to find them?
[18:36] <porg> ohsix: 44 (Lifetime Min/Max 4/55)
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> alecbenzer:  in your PATH or in your LIBPATH?
[18:36] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: stuck on 73%....again
[18:37] <Dr_Willis> or was it LIB_PATH
[18:37] <Wobs> Seven_Six_Two: I dont think i fixed the harddisk ext stuff though gonna do that properly now .P
[18:37] <porg> ohsix: But the max could have been anytime within the 8791 Power_On_Hours
[18:37] <alecbenzer> Dr_Willis: both LIBPATH and LIB_PATH are empty for me... I didn't know there was such a thing... checking it out
[18:37] <ohsix> porg: i knoe :P thanks for the info, i have nothing new to add
[18:38] <ohsix> porg: theres one more thing you might want to do
[18:38] <nickor> someone woke up on the snarky side of the ubuntu help channel today. :p
[18:38] <porg> ohsix: Just wanted to show myself as a little smarta** ;-)
[18:38] <cdavis> Is there a torrent for the nightly build?
[18:38] <porg> ohsix: No, but joking aside, maybe that 55C indeed happened just before, would fit together somehow with that reported 57C.
[18:38] <mbeierl> Dr_Willis: did you mean LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? :)
[18:39] <ohsix> porg: the output of sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda please
[18:39] <porg> ohsix: FYI the HD is in the lower right, the airslot in the mid left of the case (laptop case seen from above)
[18:39] <r0ute-ho> I've just stuck a second video card into my machine (two monitors connected to original one). I've manually edited xorg.conf like so : http://pastebin.com/PsFnE7yy - However I can still only get display via one card at a time. If I comment out the second "Device" display comes via the 3rd monitor, if left as it is I only get the original two monitors via the first card. Anyone got any pointers?
[18:39] <ohsix> porg: i've had recent problems with disks temps and ubuntu; this might help lowert things even further
[18:41] <truepurple> ohsix: or someone: HELP please, I shut down my PC during installation of some video card installation and now the desktop is all messed up
[18:41] <porg> ohsix: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589356/
[18:42] <oldos2er> truepurple, can you boot into reovery mode? what make/model video card?
[18:42] <renzo_sabayon> hi everyone
[18:42] <cdavis> Is there a torrent for the nightly build?
[18:42] <porg> ohsix: Power Management feature set. If you wanted to look on this...
[18:42] <Dr_Willis> mbeierl:  that sounds about rght. :) i know the libs have a differnt path then exe's
[18:42] <porg> ohsix: I already start to think like you ;-)
[18:43] <porg> ohsix: Searching for similar evidence...
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> cdavis:  i think there is. but the nightly build may not even boot ptoperly since its not as tested.
[18:43] <mbeierl> Dr_Willis: I thought that might have been what you were aiming for, but didn't want to jump in if I misunderstood.  Good stuff
[18:43] <maheanuu> Dr Willis, thank you ever so much ....   I have been looking for hours for that, I followed your advice and things now seem to be great, I did an open with and somehow it decided to take over completely
[18:43] <truepurple> oldos2er: I don't know how to try to boot into recovery mode. Radeon 6850
[18:44] <porg> ohsix: FYI this laptop was in use within my uncle's company and solely used under WinXP
[18:45] <renzo_sabayon> i'm having a little problem with access on my windows7 partition...i mount it in a folder (/media/windows) whose owner is my user (and ls -l gives me rwx on my user), and in my fstab i wrote ntfs as type (it's windows 7) and defaults,users as optiions! i can browse it, but i cannot move files in it, either if i'm user or root!! can you give me some hints,please?
[18:45] <oldos2er> truepurple, choose reovery mode from the grub menu. If you don't see a menu, hold down the left Shift key after POST
[18:45] <ohsix> porg: ok one last suggestion
[18:45] <maheanuu> Dr Willis, I am sorta located over the end of the world, I have no linux users closer than 150 air miles from me and that is 150 miles of open ocean pretty hard to get help in english also
[18:46] <r0ute-ho> renzo_sabayon: Is it an NTFS partition?
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> maheanuu:  theres a check box thta is checked by default.. watch out for it. :)
[18:46] <renzo_sabayon> yes of course
[18:46] <renzo_sabayon> r0ute-ho, yes
[18:46] <ohsix> porg: in order to benefit most from this you'll have to watch it for a while after you change it, add this to /etc/hdparm.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/589357/
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> renzo_sabayon:  you want to use ntfs-3g not ntfs.
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> !ntfs-3g | renzo_sabayon
[18:47] <r0ute-ho> renzo_sabayon: I haven't mounted an NTFS parition for a while but it always used to be read only, use this instead http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/
[18:47] <truepurple> oldos2er: I still don't see any menu, just a command prompt
[18:47] <ohsix> porg: and what you have to watch out for for a while is 193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   065   065   000    Old_age   Always       -       350274
[18:47] <fisix> can anybody suggest chat clients other than pidgin that support custom emoticons for msn/wlm?
[18:47] <ohsix> porg: if it increases more than a few times a day undo the changes
[18:48] <monkeyD> I dont have xorg.config in my X11 folder, why and what does it means ?
[18:48] <oldos2er> truepurple, if you see a command prompt, grub has already loaded the OS.
[18:48] <Dr_Willis> monkeyD:  xorg.conf is not needed by many systems these days.
[18:48] <renzo_sabayon> mmmm....strange...i remember that i used to move files in there with only ntfs, but there was a windows XP before...not a 7
[18:48] <r0ute-ho> monkeyD: the latest versions of Ubuntu don't have an xorg.conf by default
[18:48] <alesan> hi
[18:48] <oldos2er> reboot and try again
[18:48] <ohsix> porg: but only if you've had it on AC the whole period, cuz on battery it is expected that the4 drive spin down
[18:48] <zertyui> hello there
[18:48] <renzo_sabayon> so, has 7 changed ntfs protocol?
[18:48] <alesan> what is the latest stable version of thunderbird I can install?
[18:48] <r0ute-ho> renzo_sabayon: no, NTFS has always been read only
[18:48] <truepurple> oldos2er: Ok so now what?
[18:48] <Dr_Willis> renzo_sabayon:  ntfs-3g is the next generation of ntfs fs drivers.. use it.
[18:48] <zertyui> is there any ncoherence  when you mysql and PostgreSQL on ubuntu lucid ?
[18:49] <zertyui> i
[18:49] <renzo_sabayon> well....probably i have bad memory :) thank you so much guys!
[18:49] <zertyui> hello
[18:49] <zertyui> is there any incoherence  when you mysql and PostgreSQL on ubuntu lucid ?
[18:49] <oldos2er> truepurple, run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[18:49] <wasutton3> does anyone know of a well supported usb tv tuner taht also has an fm radio?
[18:50] <monkeyD> Dr_Willis: ok, but I have an old system with a sis vga and it flicks and I have to edit the xorg.conf
[18:50] <zertyui> i mean on a same machine
[18:50] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, does it say what it's doing when it stops?
[18:50] <ibrahim> hi may any body help me to solve sound problem?
[18:50] <DMDean> is there any way of making 2 video files into one but having them as a split screen video? I read that you can use avisynth but not entirely sure how to get it lol
[18:50] <ohsix> porg: those settings will cool your hd off even more though :D
[18:50] <Wobs> I don't get it...I just don't get it. Why is it stuck on 73%!? :(
[18:51] <porg> ohsix: I have applied your changed to the config file. I will monitor Load_Cycle_Count maybe with a script regularly triggered by cron
[18:51] <Seven_Six_Two> ibrahim, you only have to ask your question. people here are here to help or to get help. no need to ask if you can ask.
[18:51] <truepurple> oldos2er: Someone in the linux channel suggested dpkg-reconfigure -a, what is the difference between that and what you suggested?
[18:52] <ohsix> porg: just note the value and check in a week :] though smartd can be configured to tell you when that parameter has changed
[18:52] <Seven_Six_Two> Wobs, what step is it stuck on? You might have to download the other install disc. Extras, or something like that. Or if you have the option, do a text mode install
[18:52] <ohzie> ohsix: I dear.
[18:52] <ohzie> Oh dear*
[18:52] <oldos2er> truepurple, dpkg-reconfigure -a reconfigures all packages. the command I gave you only reconfigures xorg
[18:52] <ohsix> onoes
[18:52] <truepurple> oldos2er:  And what is xorg?
[18:53] <porg> ohsix: I m still not sure whether I can trust your estimation relating to the heat cause being mostly HD related. Because: When i ran the GParted from UBCD, and this runs entirely from RAM and should not access HD at all, the fan also ran like wild. I still think Linux cannot optimally handle the fan...
[18:53] <Dr_Willis> monkeyD:  you can make an xorg.conf if you wanted to.  every time i hear 'sis'  mentioned...  its always a disaster in linux. :)
[18:53] <ibrahim> Seven_Six_Two : i have a problem in sound such that nothing is muted and no sound
[18:53] <ohsix> porg: well ubcd isn't a known quantity, it could be broke there as well, but we can't exactly fix it
[18:54] <Seven_Six_Two> ibrahim, sorry, I'm on my way out...no time right now
[18:54] <ibrahim> Seven_Six_Two: ok
[18:54] <ohsix> porg: its important to note that "ubuntu" doesn't have the problem, it contains software that does
[18:54] <porg> No UBCD booted GParted, I definetely choose "run from RAM", then it ejected the optical disk. So it only runs on RAM. But I check again, maybe my memory is clowded...
[18:55] <porg> ohsix: No UBCD booted GParted, I definetely choose "run from RAM", then it ejected the optical disk. So it only runs on RAM. But I check again, maybe my memory is clowded...
[18:55] <ohsix> porg: right but ubcd could actually have a bug that runs the fan all the time, thats what i meant
[18:55] <oldos2er> truepurple, xserver-xorg is the software that enables your graphics
[18:55] <truepurple> oldos2er: What is xorg?
[18:55] <porg> ohsix: Maybe you can give me a little explanation how Linux handles PM.
[18:56] <truepurple> oldos2er: Is there a possible disadvantage of reconfiguring all?
[18:56] <ohsix> porg: well what we've been dealing with is entirely acpi & its knobs, "power management" is something else and altogether boring
[18:56] <porg> ohsix: UBCD is only used to start other environments such as FreeDOS or Linux, etc. After calling your particular OS, there is no more UBCD running"
[18:57] <ohsix> porg: theres documentatin in the kernel tree, Documentation/power
[18:57] <oldos2er> truepurple, usually not, but I don't know anything about your system
[18:57] <porg> ohsix: I ll read some wikipedia on ACPI, and come back in a few mins ;-)
[18:58] <ohsix> porg: that link i gave you earlier about the interface is all you need to really know
[18:58] <kundan> Hi, i am getting a dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.10.0-0ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[18:58] <kundan> how do I fix this
[18:58] <truepurple> oldos2er: With this, would you know of a way to cancel the process? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1721391
[18:59] <just_some_dude> xubuntu 10.04, xfce 4.6: i have cairo-dock loaded at start up, but every time i reboot, i get an additional instance of cairo-dock. eg - first boot=2 cairo-docks, second  boot=3 cairo-docks, third boot=4 cairo-docks... how can i fix this?
[19:00] <mehdi> hey guys how can i use app store?
[19:00] <truepurple> oldos2er: It says it must be run as root
[19:01] <zertyui> hello tehre
[19:01] <zertyui> is there anyone here
[19:01] <zertyui> ?
[19:01] <porg> ohsix: ohsix , u mean http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/thermal/sysfs-api.txt;h=b61e46f449aa1e0bf376de21ddf2eec55c196a39;hb=HEAD#l152
[19:01] <oldos2er> truepurple, put 'sudo' in front of the command to run it as root
[19:02] <zertyui> bullshit what is this
[19:02] <zertyui> why floodbot spaming ?
[19:02] <royale1223> How do i fix deleted /home/ folder?
[19:02] <botcity> !language zertyui
[19:02] <erUSUL> royale1223: recover the files?
[19:03] <zertyui> yes i speak english ?
[19:03] <erUSUL> !undelete | royale1223
[19:03] <mehdi> wat can i do with my ipot touch to dl apps from app store? while i cant use iTunes?
[19:03] <oldos2er> royale1223, google 'testdisk'
[19:03] <zertyui> well
[19:03] <zertyui> how to install postgresql ?
[19:03] <truepurple> oldos2er: Ok I did it, but nothing seem to happen other then it asking for my password. Restart anyway?
[19:03] <zertyui> PostgreSQL and -dev package too ?
[19:03] <erUSUL> zertyui: sudo apt-get install postgresql
[19:04] <royale1223> EruSUL: no, just make the installation usable, i have no hope of recovering files
[19:04] <oldos2er> truepurple, try rebooting. Sorry I don't know much about ATI cards, I use Nvidia
[19:04] <zertyui> and for postgresql -dev package ?
[19:05] <tomatobros> royale1223:  why u don't try to create a new user if don't care about recovering files ?
[19:05] <prome> hey
[19:05] <porg> ohsix: Without to much techtalk in simplified words, on the Mac PM works like this: There s a dedicated unit inside the mac ("computer in the computer"), which measures and controls, and which does "as much cooling as necessary". The OS can communicate with that device, and instruct it to use "more cooling if desired", but if it attempts to instruct less cooling then what would be healthy, that PM-device rejects that instruction from th
[19:05] <prome> i m back
[19:05] <prome> remember with the pppoe-discovery command
[19:05] <truepurple> oldos2er: It didn't work
[19:05] <royale1223> Tomatobros: just adduser?
[19:05] <17SAAAJUW> hi all
[19:06] <erUSUL> royale1223: jusr recreate the home folder « sudo mkdir /home/ » then create the user's home folders « for user in user1 user 2user3; do sudo mkdir /home/"$user" && sudo chown "$user:$user" /home/"$user"; done »
[19:06] <tomatobros> yes add a new user that's it if don't remove any system files there is no problem
[19:06] <oldos2er> truepurple, maybe your forum post will generate some responses
[19:06] <prome> hello
[19:06] <swietlica5> hejo
[19:06] <prome> i have internet connecting problem
[19:06] <zertyui> floobot flooding unbeliave,  i can't work in this condition
[19:06] <porg> ohsix: And another conceptual question: Is the BIOS only running at boot time, and then disploaced by the OS which boots, or does the BIOS run constantly? Is the BIOS some sort of firmware?
[19:06] <jason^> i deleted a repo from my sources.list file and ran apt-get update, but it seems like it still thinks the repo exists, is there a way to purge the old repo information out?
[19:06] <prome> through DSL
[19:07] <zertyui> where are the moderator
[19:07] <zertyui> can't believe it
[19:07] <porg> ohsix: As said, the PC world is very unknown to me, I m on the Mac platform since 1992.
[19:07] <prome> I am unable to connect to the internet through DSL. I can use it in Windows 7 easily. I use a Broadband PPPoe with an user name and password along with a service name. I have set up a DSL in ubuntu and I have placed the required user name and password there and I have also entered the service name in the field between the username and password. But it shows to be disconnected every time i try
[19:07] <prome> to dial the connection.
[19:08] <porg> ohsix: Gone through all the changes. Enjoyed UNIX functionalities since OSX, and then later developed interest in Linux.
[19:08] <prome> i have used the pppoe-discovery command
[19:08] <bonjoyee> jason^: try /var/lib/apt/lists
[19:08] <ray24> Hi, my ubuntu dictionary seems to be broken
[19:08] <bonjoyee> jason^: look into that folder..
[19:08] <tomatobros> prome is your modem connect with usb ?
[19:08] <erUSUL> royale1223: where user1 user2 etc are the actual usernames... then you may want to copy /etc/skel/ contents to each folder
[19:08] <Dueli> I closed my computer by holding the power button - the wrong way. Now ubuntu boots to busybox, initramfs. I can't access ubuntu the normal way. What can I do?
[19:08] <leapy0yo> hi
[19:08] <porg> ohsix: Was it that GIT kernel doc page u were referring to as "the only source I need to know" ?
[19:09] <||arifaX> I need a second cups-pdf printer with its own configuration file. How can I achieve this? I need 2 differend postprocessing scripts to work.
[19:09] <prome> no
[19:09] <truepurple> oldos2er: I tried the -a trigger, it is asking if I want system wide reasable home directories. Do I?
[19:09] <prome> its lan card
[19:09] <prome> tomatobros i have tested the command
[19:09] <Dueli> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1244466.html I have the same problem, but I don't find the answers very helpful.
[19:09] <tomatobros> prome:  what command ? lspci ?
[19:09] <prome> its the internal lan card with the motherboard tomatobros
[19:10] <prome> no
[19:10] <kundan> can someone give me the sources.list for 11.04 beta please??
[19:10] <kundan> I deleted mine
[19:10] <prome> pppoe-discovery
[19:10] <erUSUL> kundan: ask in #ubuntu+1
[19:10] <bonjoyee> kundan: google for "ubuntu sources generator"
[19:10] <kundan> erUSUL, thanks
[19:10] <ohsix> porg: yes sysfs-api.txt
[19:10] <kundan> bonjoyee, well i would but no browser atm and w/o sources.list nothing installs
[19:11] <erUSUL> ||arifaX: just add it in System>Admin...>Printers?
[19:11] <Dueli> I have also tried to install Ubuntu 10.10 again, but it freezes once I press "install" etc. Why?
[19:11] <oldos2er> truepurple, I've never seen dpkg ask for 'system wide reasable home directories' before. Don't know what to tell you.
[19:11] <ohsix> porg: heres the awful boring power documentation http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=tree;f=Documentation/power;h=3f02d605f47a910a32d1d38002d10732925b457c;hb=HEAD
[19:11] <bonjoyee> kundan: ok then head to #ubuntu+1
[19:11] <||arifaX> erUSUL: I am on Ubuntu Server without desktop. I think the result will be a second printer using the same config-file which won't work
[19:11] <prome> tomatobros r u there?
[19:12] <erUSUL> ||arifaX: use the cups web interface? really dunno ask in #cups
[19:12] <ohsix> porg: thermal is separate from power
[19:13] <ohsix> porg: the bios is callable any time after boot, theres some code from it always running in SMM mode, and acpi tables in the bios are for a virtual machine that can be run in the host and in the bios to accomplish many hw/power/thermal things in a device independent manner
[19:14] <ohsix> porg: theres basically a lot of defined "do stuff" and informational queries, defined by acpi; the virtual machine instructions are there to actually do that with the hardware
[19:14] <porg> ohsix: But thermal is RELATED to power
[19:15] <porg> ohsix: So is ACPI similar like the mac stuff i mentioned
[19:15] <wolter> my touchpad got disabled all of a sudden, how could I re-enable it?
[19:15] <porg> Does the machine shut itself of in an emergency? Or can the OS "burn" it?
[19:15] <ohsix> porg: its related to power in the cpu; but not much else, "power" is used to talk about what state a driver is in so it can respond to changes in power state
[19:16] <porg> ohsix: Thanks for your term clarification regarding power.
[19:16] <ohsix> porg: intel cpus have tm1 & tm2 that do clock gating and power throttling in extreme cases, crash
[19:17] <ohsix> porg: but acpi is expected to be interpreted and used to contol the cooling devices so that won't happen
[19:17] <joaovrmaia> teste
[19:17] <porg> Ok, so i can mess around in the OS but the intel chip defends itself if necessary.
[19:17] <jmd> After doing an upgrade, my ubuntu PC is unusable.  How do I downgrade again?
[19:17] <ohsix> porg: thats why it has tables to tell the host os how to control the fan and what temperatures are ok
[19:18] <porg> so the HW sends ACPI "instructions" to the OS, and the OS is then responsible for making the rifvht conclusions and adapt the thermal devices appropiately?
[19:18] <ohsix> porg: don't quote me on the thermal stuff, there are definite lower bounds, like having a heatsink; the data sheet will tell you about them if you ever need to know though
[19:18] <porg> ohsix: Please carry on! That s interesting, now u explain the principle, that s what i was longing for!
[19:19] <ohsix> porg: the acpi tables are in memory at boot time, the OS copies them somewhere safe then uses the code when the os needs something it asks from acpi
[19:19] <ohsix> like how to control the cpu frequency and voltage
[19:19] <truepurple> What does this option mean? http://dandelion-patch.mit.edu/afs/athena.mit.edu/service/scratch/kcr/srvd-7.2/usr/var/lib/dpkg/info/byobu.templates Its asking me if I want to launch byobu at shell login for all users
[19:20] <maco> truepurple: it means if anyone (not just you) logs in using a terminal (instead of login screen), should byobu run for all of them?
[19:20] <erUSUL> truepurple: well do you want? ask yes or no
[19:20] <ohsix> porg: the rest is probably more important to read, even if it is kind of idle in here
[19:20] <truepurple> I don't have a clue what byobu IS
[19:20] <ohsix> truepurple: its a bunch of screen scripts for haxors
[19:20] <porg> ohsix: Now u told me a lot of singular statements. I have one inquiry to you. Could you schematically tell me how this system basically works in an: A monitors B, informs C, C decides, gives feedback to A. In such a manner.
[19:20] <paisleyrob> I want to build a package that is essentially just the output of tar -xf tarball with a few minor exceptions.  dh_make --native seems to require I create a make file explicitly listing all the files in question.  What simple thing am I missing?!
[19:21] <porg> ohsix: Or tell me under which keywords I find explanations on the net.
[19:21] <erUSUL> paisleyrob: #ubuntu-packaging may be of more help
[19:21] <truepurple> ohsix so probably not?
[19:21] <erUSUL> truepurple: is a modified GNU screen
[19:21] <erUSUL> !screen | truepurple
[19:21] <porg> ohsix: And probably not 100ed page long low level tech talk, but maybe some 10 paragraph article.
[19:22] <jmd> After doing an upgrade, how do I login?
[19:22] <ohsix> porg: well acpi will handle emergencies by itself, but it basically tells the OS how to contro the fans and the cpu, so the os can decide if its appropriate instead of having a fixed power policy in the bios, different for every vendor
[19:22] <truepurple> I still don't understand any of it, I guess I will say no
[19:22] <TeckniX> Anyone know how I can view the priority status of a message in Evolution 2.3?
[19:23] <slakcphil> so i need a cmos battery for an old IBM 380ed thinkpad... has anyone ever tried buying a replacement battery at a local drug store, would that work if it was the same size and voltage?
[19:23] <crit3rion> how do I get my apps to stop using the top panel for the "File Edit View..." menus?
[19:23] <crit3rion> This is ubuntu 11.04
[19:23] <porg> ohsix: Ok, so in easy words ACPI informs and gives "recomenndations (tables)" to the OS, gives it a chance to decide, receives its decisions, but if none or dangerous one come, ACPI decides itself.
[19:23] <erUSUL> crit3rion: ask in #ubuntu+1 please
[19:23] <truepurple> ugh, this is asking me about all sorts of stuff I dont understand, better cancel out
[19:23] <crit3rion> gotcha
[19:23] <foobar_> after installing gobi-loader and the apropriate firmware the networkmanager asks me everytime I login for the PIN of the SIM card. How do I fix this ?
[19:24] <ohsix> porg: linux knows what is safe for the fan for example, informed by acpi, so it can control it based on the temperature, and the os knows when theres not much work to do in the near future, it can ask acpi how long it takes for the cpu to transition into some power saving state and decide if the expense is worth it; then ask acpi to do it
[19:24] <slakcphil> i will put ubuntu server 8.04 on it and just run the cli (really just using it for minicom)
[19:25] <ohsix> porg: they're law, not just recommendations; they're whats "ok" so says the person building the computer
[19:25] <truepurple> Could I please get some help with possibly messed up video card? details here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1721391
[19:25] <porg> porg: Yes, the OS has far more intelligence and predication capabilities as it is self-aware, hence can give efficient control commands, but in case the OS fails, ACPI still has its "rough emergency plan"
[19:25] <ohsix> porg: in that way it encapsulates any arrangements of fans and cooling devices, like it does with other hw
[19:26] <leapy0yo> what sh code will delete the prefix  prefix - lots of files ...?
[19:26] <porg> And ACPI is a part of the bios ?
[19:26] <erUSUL> leapy0yo: in ubuntu you can use prename
[19:27] <porg> And my previous question: Is the BIOS firmware? Does it run all the time? Or only while boot time?
[19:27] <erUSUL> leapy0yo: in the folder with the files --> prename 's/^prefix//' *
[19:27] <Dr_Willis> porg:  acpi is a feature of the bios yes.  power management subsystem.
[19:28] <porg> ohsix and Dr_Willis : I should have done some art this afternoon, but now I did mainly IT engeneering stuff, but I don't regret, I have learned a little now.
[19:28] <ohsix> porg: it's complicated when the bios runs, but i already answered that
[19:28] <Dr_Willis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface
[19:29] <porg> ohsix: My simplification kind of described the system?
[19:30] <ohsix> porg: i wouldn't agree with the use of "self-aware", but sure; and the emergency plan isn't part of acpi persay, smm is, but smm uses msrs in the cpu to do its job, since its just for emergencies & doesb't need the wealth of information
[19:31] <porg> ACPI -- law -> OS --> OS monitors its activities, gets sensor readings, concludes best ACPI settings, sends them --> ACPI runs input through "emergency treshhold". If the "law" is contradicted it intervenes, else it takes the OS control data and implements it into reality.
[19:32] <ohsix> porg: acpi tells the os what it can do with the things its interested in, like fans and changing the frequency of the cpu
[19:32] <rodhash__> test
[19:32] <ohsix> it does _so much_ more but it can all be categorized as such
[19:32] <porg> And SMM is the "emergency brake" ?
[19:33] <ohsix> it has stuff for ambient light sensors and stuff
[19:33] <porg> And none of this is a seperate physical unit, but only high priority code (firmware) ?
[19:33] <ohsix> smm is emergency everything: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Management_Mode
[19:33] <porg> On the mac this Power Stuff is in deed an independent unit inside the system
[19:34] <ohsix> porg: right, they are tables of instructions the bios and the  os can execute, and extra information
[19:34] <CarlFK> is there something that will graph memory usage of a process as it is running?  trying to track down a memory leak that takes about 10 min for oom_killer to kick in, and watching top for that long is getting annoying
[19:34] <porg> But on the PC they seem to have implemented this to run on the CPU (C as in CENTRAL, so not separate), only given a "code priority"
[19:35] <ohsix> porg: i dunno about mac but it is impractical to make it an external module
[19:35] <porg> ohsix: I see a weakness in this system. If the CPU flaws, it could hurt itself. If the emergency break is a physically separate unit, it s more fail safe.
[19:36] <ohsix> CarlFK: you can log the output of smm and diff it ...
[19:36] <fisix> hey does anybody know a chat client for msn/wlm that supports custom emoticons other than pidgin?
[19:36] <ohsix> CarlFK: smem, argh ;]
[19:36] <porg> ohsix: Someone drawning cannot safe him/her-self...
[19:36] <porg> ohsix: A life belt is an external system to your body, and could help you.
[19:36] <ohsix> porg: they can stop operating, ie. crash, but there are other concerns with drowning
[19:37] <porg> ohsix: So it was an inproper comparison (metaphor) i used?
[19:38] <ohsix> in most cases malfunctioning is very bad, while crashing is ok
[19:38] <porg> ohsix: You seem to be very well informed. I too in some areas, but concerning PC HW on olow level, I know not that much, hence am very greatful for your hints.
[19:39] <vbajpai> hello
[19:39] <porg> Yes, and if heat control in not separate, but integrated, malfunctioning could occur, and overheating a result. That s the conclusion i made.
[19:39] <ohsix> like it's not ok for an atm machine to accept transactions it doesn't have money for, it's preferable it fail, even if you need the money very badly
[19:39] <neverblue> hi guys, i want to setup a co-worker to have access to my Ubuntu VM via ssh. I would like to allow them access to install, does that require me only adding them to the sudo group? or am I being too generous and concrned?
[19:39] <ohsix> porg: yep, but lots of things can happen
[19:40] <adik> help
[19:40] <ohsix> neverblue: if you add them to the admin group they'll be able to do anything they desire as root
[19:40] <hu> root
[19:40] <neverblue> which might be an over-requirement
[19:40] <neverblue> is there a group I can put them into, so they can install applications ?
[19:40] <ohsix> neverblue: but you can configure sudo to allow individual commands and other things (you have to be exceedingly careful, it is easy to allow them to execute things in ways you didn't think of in maintaining this whitelist)
[19:40] <porg> porg: Ok, thanks for all the info you gave me! To finish our conversation: Are u in any way affiliated with Ubuntu?
[19:40] <kla> neverblue: you can add a sudo rules to only allow them to run specific commands (apt-get, etc..)
[19:41] <ohsix> porg: no, i just file bugs and help
[19:41] <porg> ohsix: Or did you do all your counseling to me now in your spare time?
[19:41] <aaron_c> hi, when my screensaver comes up, my password isn't working.  i have to click on switch users and then log back in from there.  anyone know what might be going on?
[19:41] <Dueli> I have a huge problem, and I would appreciate any help. I shut my computer down by holding the power button and now I can't boot to ubuntu. It just goes to busybox, initramfs. When I boot ubuntu with an USB drive and go to Computer -> 120GB Hard Disk: 117GB Filesystem, it says "Unable to mount location. A job is pending on /dev/sda1". I am not able to reinstall Ubuntu either.
[19:41] <ohsix> porg: spare time ... but the world is quantifiably better when information is distributed ;]
[19:41] <porg> ohsix: I also spend a lot of time in making software feature suggestings, bug reports, etc, but I never gave 3 hours IRC counseling. My RESPECT MAN!!!
[19:42] <porg> ohsix: Or LADY?
[19:42] <ohsix> Dueli: is it an ocz ssd?
[19:42] <neverblue> kla/ohsix, in the User/Groups GUI ?
[19:42] <RussellAlan> how do i verify the md5sum?>
[19:42] <porg> ohsix: Sorry for that indirectly implied sexism of myself.
[19:42] <ohsix> neverblue: in /etc/sudoers, it has its own man page; it can get quite complex
[19:42] <Dueli> ohsix, what is that?
[19:42] <Dueli> I'm not too familiar with ubuntu.
[19:42] <porg> ohsix: ohsix is of course gender neutral, you could be both!
[19:42] <ohsix> Dueli: is the drive an ocz ssd, i take it it isn't :D
[19:43] <porg> I m male 27 from Vienna btw.
[19:43] <rww> !asl
[19:43] <Dueli> probably not, then.
[19:43] <neverblue> ohsix, so will it just be editing a conf though, just to allow aptitue and not allow everything else ?
[19:43] <ohsix> porg: this is all pretty offtopic :D
[19:44] <mister2> hey, is there a better driver than what i'm using for my grahics card? http://pastebin.com/V0nvr2C3
[19:44] <Dueli> ohsix, are you able to help?
[19:44] <ohsix> neverblue: well you can't be sure they wont find something to do with aptitude that would allow them to execute arbitrary commands; it's a catch22, you basically have to trust them anyways, trust but verify
[19:44] <porg> ohsix: NO, I think praising your great help is really WORTH it, and PART of the topic!
[19:44] <neverblue> ohsix, ill look at the man, thanks
[19:45] <ohsix> Dueli: sure but my ace in the hole one line solution was dashed with it not being an ssd :D
[19:45] <ohsix> Dueli: you should look at the output of dmesg in a terminal after you try and mount it, it will tell you about errors it has attempting to do so
[19:45] <erUSUL> neverblue: only allow him to run apt-get install
[19:45] <nit-wit> aaron_c, is the default to another user, say the admin
[19:45] <erUSUL> neverblue: there is only admin group... is all or nothing via groups. but you can use sudoers
[19:45] <erUSUL> !md5sum | RussellAlan
[19:45] <devurandom> Hello!
[19:45] <devurandom> When is clementine-0.7.1 coming to (K)Ubuntu 10.10?
[19:45] <porg> ohsix: I just wanted to correct my possible gender disciminating expression! (Before it was too late) ;-)
[19:45] <devurandom> Is someone working on it already?
[19:46] <Dueli> Can you give step-by-step instructions, ohsix?
[19:46] <ohsix> porg: it's ok
[19:46] <porg> ohsix: Thanks!
[19:46] <porg> ohsix: Are you here regularly?
[19:46] <rodhash_> :)
[19:46] <ohsix> Dueli: applications -> accessories -> terminal, type in dmesg after it is open, copy the contents to paste.ubuntu.com
[19:46] <rodhash_> :-)
[19:46] <ohsix> porg: yea
[19:46] <neverblue> so to allow a user to do: sudo aptitude search bob, that user must be administrator or sudo ?
[19:47] <ohsix> neverblue: no, they can do that as a normal user
[19:47] <neverblue> s/administrator/admin/
[19:47] <porg> ohsix: You know PC people have to be PC *LOL*
[19:47] <red2kic> admin is short for administrator
[19:47] <ohsix> neverblue: aptitude will use sudo when it needs to do elevated operations
[19:47] <porg> ohsix: Figure out that abbreviation puzzle yourself ;-)
[19:47] <neverblue> red2kic: obviously :)
[19:47] <jmd> How do I recover a messed up system?
[19:47] <porg> ohsix: Just came to my mind ;-)
[19:47] <neverblue> jmd, find the issue
[19:47] <ohsix> jmd: the only answer to that question as it was asked is to reinstall it
[19:48] <ohsix> or throw it out, if a computer malfunctions in the woods is it messed up?
[19:48] <jmd> ohsix, Then I'll rephrase it.  How to I recover from a messed up ubuntu system without reinstalling it?
[19:48] <red2kic> It all depends on how you messed it up in first place.
[19:48] <ohsix> jmd: well that' doesn't help your question, important information like how it got messed up is appropriate
[19:49] <jmd> ohsix, I thought I explained that.  I did an upgrade.
[19:49] <Osmodivs> I know Ubuntu 11.04 is in abeta state, but, is it safe to upgrade now, I mean, it doesn't come with fatal bugs or something that can damage my sys?
[19:50] <ohsix> jmd: oh that was 30 minutes ago
[19:50] <ohsix> jmd: you won't be able to downgrade as easily as you will be able to fix whatever is keeping the update from finishing
[19:50] <jmd> So how do I do that?
[19:51] <Dueli> ohsix, I copypasted everything heres what I got: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589383/
[19:51] <ohsix> Osmodivs: nothing _too_ bad,  but i'd save myself the aggravation if i were you
[19:51] <porg> To all: I am leaving, thanks for all your support! My fine is not loud anymore, only mid loud, sometimes even silent!
[19:51] <ayrus> Hi, how to know the installed Ubuntu is installed as 32 bit or 64 bit?
[19:51] <erUSUL> ayrus: uname -m
[19:51] <ohsix> ayrus: or -i
[19:51] <ayrus> erUSUL, Let me check.. Thanks
[19:52] <ohsix> Dueli: bad news, io failure during a _write_
[19:52] <ayrus> erUSUL, its telling i686.. so it means 64 bit?
[19:52] <Dueli> and that means...?
[19:52] <leapy0yo> what is wrong with this perl expression , i am trying to batch rename :   `s/$2Pac*/2Pac*/`
[19:52] <ohsix> Dueli: the drive probably isn't completely dead yet, but its quickly on its way
[19:53] <Dueli> How can that happen?
[19:53] <erUSUL> ayrus: no; 32 bits
[19:53] <Dueli> Just like that?
[19:53] <erUSUL> ayrus: x86_64 is what you get in a 64 bits install
[19:53] <ayrus> ohsix, its showing "unknown" on your command uname -i
[19:53] <ohsix> ayrus: try -m then
[19:53] <Darael> Got an interesting one here: Latest kernel (2.6.35-28-generic) refuses to acknowledge my wifi card's existence - it doesn't even appear in lspci.  Reverting to 2.6.35-27, it works fine.
[19:53] <erUSUL> leapy0yo: the $ is special in a regex... do you want it to be taken literally? also are you sure what * means in a regex?
[19:54] <ohsix> -i works here, might be because i've got a variant, my mistake
[19:54] <red2kic> ayrus: -a will tell everything.
[19:54] <erUSUL> Darael: report it as regression in the kernel...
[19:54] <ohsix> Dueli: who knows, and it's often not just like that; you can try e2fsck to sidestep the kernel oops during log playback
[19:54] <Darael> erUSUL: Will do.
[19:54] <ohsix> Dueli: e2fsck should give you more information than just "io error" too
[19:55] <Dueli> should i copypaste?
[19:55] <ayrus> erUSUL,  I want to install Google chrome, so I need to know which repositories should I download either 32 bit or 64 bit.. that's why I'm asking...
[19:55] <ohsix> Dueli: no need
[19:55] <Dueli> ohsix, how so?
[19:55] <ohsix> ayrus: find a chrome ppa, it'll install the right arch for you
[19:55] <ayrus> ohsix,  ok thanks...
[19:55] <ohsix> Dueli: what do you mean?
[19:56] <Dueli> Why is there no need?
[19:56] <ohsix> Dueli: e2fsck -v /dev/sda1
[19:56] <ohsix> Dueli: because theres unlikely to be an error
[19:56] <ohsix> you just get to watch it for a while while it works
[19:57] <erUSUL> ayrus: ok
[19:58] <ayrus> erUSUL,  Thanks for the help...
[19:58] <erUSUL> ayrus: no problem
[19:58] <Dueli> ohsix, "device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda1. Filesystmen mounted or opened axclusively by another program"
[19:59] <Dueli> system, exclusively*
[19:59] <erUSUL> Darael: fsck needs to be run with the fs umounted. a livecd is handy for that
[20:00] <Dueli> Is there nothing I can do about my drive getting wrecked, other than watch?
[20:00] <ohsix> Dueli: pastebin the output of fuser -v /dev/sda1
[20:00] <Dueli> ok
[20:00] <erickcion> hi
[20:00] <ohsix> erUSUL: he said earlier he was on w/a livecd, since the system just goes to busybox in the ramfs
[20:00] <erUSUL> ohsix: ok
[20:01] <erickcion> somebody here knows how to connect via XDMCP with GDM ???
[20:01] <lucid_j> I need some help
[20:01] <erUSUL> !ask | lucid_j
[20:01] <jmd> erickcion, I think there's an option in the gdm.conf file
[20:01] <gh0st> can I apt-get install py2exe?
[20:01] <lucid_j> When I boot I get a message, before loggin' in, that says that a secondary disk I have cannot be mounted
[20:02] <ohsix> erickcion: i don't think you can anymore, if you could it'd be an applet running in gdm, not gdm itself anymore
[20:02] <Dueli> ohsix, "cannot stat file /proc/4323/fd/36: Stale NFS file handle, cannot stat file /proc/4323/fd/38: Stale NFS file handle, cannot stat file /proc/4323/fd/42: Stale NFS file handle"
[20:02] <erUSUL> !find py2exe
[20:02] <lucid_j> How could i check where is the problem?
[20:02] <erickcion> jmd: that is already configured... but now what i have to do to connect? or try to connect??
[20:02] <ohsix> Dueli: you have a serious situation, you need to find a way to get to it before it oops's
[20:02] <erUSUL> gh0st: < ubottu> File py2exe found in python-serial
[20:03] <ohsix> Dueli: like booting the livecd in single user mode
[20:03] <Dueli> how do I do that?
[20:03] <jmd> erickcion, As I recall, it comes up with a menu giving all the other machines on the network.
[20:04] <aaron_c> hi, when my screensaver comes up, my password isn't working.  i have to click on switch users and then log back in from there.  anyone know what might be going on?
[20:04] <erickcion> ohsix: so, what i have to do to try XDMCP?
[20:04] <lucid_j> any advice?
[20:04] <erickcion> ohsix: i have the server configured (i hope) but i dont know how to connect to it
[20:05] <Dueli> Ohsix: how do I boot the livecd in single user mode?
[20:05] <ohsix> erickcion: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/689988
[20:06] <ohsix> Dueli: same way you boot any linux system into single user mode D: hold shift to get the language selector when the livecd boots, press f6 remove "quiet splash" add single
[20:06] <ohsix> or the quick and dirty init=/bin/bash
[20:07] <Dueli> what is a livecd? *_*
[20:07] <Dueli> As I said, I'm not familiar
[20:07] <ohsix> it's the thing you're using right now to be in ubuntu
[20:07] <Dueli> okay
[20:07] <ohsix> bbl
[20:08] <lucid_j> I did "$ cat /var/log/boot.log"
[20:08] <lucid_j> and the error is:
[20:08] <lucid_j> The device '/dev/sdb1' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS.
[20:08] <lucid_j> Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a
[20:08] <lucid_j> partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around?
[20:09] <erickcion> is necessary a command to conect to XDMCP server??
[20:09] <erickcion> jmd: but where is that menu?
[20:09] <erickcion> jmd: what i have to do to see it??
[20:09] <erickcion> :(
[20:09] <ohsix> erickcion: i do not know of any xdmcp choosers that are standalone applications, so theres not much luck in lookking for one to run in the gdm session D:
[20:09] <Dueli> ohsix, F6 doesn't respond
[20:09] <lucid_j> mountall: mount /mnt/disk2 [747] terminated with status 12
[20:09] <lucid_j> mountall: Filesystem could not be mounted: /mnt/disk2
[20:09] <lucid_j> init: ureadahead-other main process (756) terminated with status 4
[20:09] <jmd> erickcion, It's been several years since I'
[20:09] <ohsix> Dueli: pick the language then look at the bottom
[20:10] <jmd> have used it. So I can't tell you.  All I can say is it was pretty obvious once configured.
[20:10] <Dart> is it possible to make launchers for key combos? I want to make one for ALT+TAB so that I can switch to woindows fast
[20:10] <BGM_> hello!
[20:11] <Dueli> so which one do I select at "other options" (f6), ohsix?
[20:11] <murderertoy> sorry. somebody know how i can change the memory_limit from php on ubuntu???
[20:12] <BGM_> so my mistake instead of typing fg %emacs, I started emacs again, so now I have two emacs processes and when I say fg %emacs it says "ambiguous job spec". I tried killall emacs, and also just kill with the PID, but they are still there...
[20:12] <BGM_> by*
[20:13] <BGM_> btw I am ssh-ing via putty on a Windoze machine, in case that is relevant
[20:14] <Dueli> so which one do I select at "other options" (f6), ohsix?
[20:16] <rocktop> how to check which hdds type instaleld on my box satta or scsi ?
[20:18] <raj-k> Does anyone know how to enable Flash on Chromium (not chrome)?
[20:18] <ilea> how can i check using linux how big is the procesor and how mutch ram i have o a computer?
[20:18] <raj-k> I can't find the plugins folder for chromium
[20:19] <raj-k> I've checked /usr/bin/lib/chromium; I put it in that directory as well as a plugins directory I created myself; neiter worked. Also tried running with chromium --enable-plugins option
[20:19] <raj-k> the .so, that is^
[20:19] <ohsix> Dueli: not to be rude but i'm very tired and at the tail end of a 4 hour blitz helping people, i phrased my answers/suggestions to be easily google'able so i wouldn't have to fill in the blanks :[
[20:19] <bonjoyee> rocktop: sudo lshw
[20:19] <ohsix> ilea: free -m and cat /proc/cpuinfo
[20:19] <rocktop> bonjoyee : -bash: lshw: command not found
[20:19] <ohsix> rocktop: you can look at dmesg too
[20:20] <Jibadeeha> is there an easy way in ubuntu to encrypt an individual directory
[20:20] <bonjoyee> rocktop: sudo apt-get install lshw
[20:20] <rocktop> ohsix: how  ?
[20:20] <ilea> ohsix i dont understand please write a little difrent
[20:20] <Dueli> Thanks for all the help, ohsix.
[20:20] <ilea> like i have to enter in terminal?
[20:20] <gurra72> hello
[20:20] <kize> hola!!!!
[20:20] <Dueli> I'll try to google my way to victory, even though the chance is small
[20:20] <raj-k> ilea: yes
[20:21] <snake_> How to configure apache2 for use on port 8080, and binded to my external ip.
[20:21] <snake_> ?
[20:21] <ohsix> ilea: you can also open System Monitor from System -> Administration
[20:21] <ohsix> ilea: sorry, i was breaking my own rules telling you to use the console :D
[20:21] <gurra72> just testing irssi
[20:21] <snake_> hmmm apache2!
[20:22] <qwebirc93887> I am trying to enable ACPI in Ubuntu but it's not working. I've tried sudo modprobe acpi (and acpid), installed acpi and acpid, added acpi and acpid to /etc/modules, added "acpi=force" to grub... What else can I do? I am desesperated.
[20:22] <dtcrshr> snake_, #httpd
[20:22] <bernz> snake_: you mean to set apache2 to listen on 8080, or to forward outside traffic from 80 to 8080?
[20:22] <ilea> what rules if someone haves to help another its normal to say what to do
[20:22] <ilea> i now only 1 rule and that is that there are no rules
[20:22] <ilea> :P
[20:23] <ohsix> qwebirc93887: what makes you think you had to do anything?
[20:23] <andai> How do i install the virtualbox extension pack?
[20:24] <ohsix> ilea: well i had an argument with someone earlier about not telling people to use stuff that is not part of the desktop first, the most direct and correct answer under that rule is System Monitor, not anything having to be done on a terminal
[20:24] <nrabett> snake_ locate the apace2 config files - I think they are in /etc/. I assume you could also install Webmin in order to get a GUI
[20:24] <qwebirc93887> ohsix: because it's an old motherboard.
[20:24] <nrabett> Apart from that, you should search Google for a tutorial. One would have to write a small essay here
[20:25] <Pumpkin-> if you always have to give desktop answers before command line answers, I'm going to answer like 0 questions :)
[20:25] <jiltdil> what is firestarter and what is ufw?
[20:25] <LarsN> ilea: https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0.1  stick within the guidelines there and you'll do well.
[20:25] <stefg> !firestarter
[20:25] <bonjoyee> jiltdil: both are front ends to the linux firewall "iptables"
[20:26] <rusk> Can anybody help me to fix broken gnome fonts?
[20:26] <jiltdil> bonjoyee:which is better as use?
[20:26] <rusk> it looks like this: http://itmages.ru/image/preview/161241/df5fe4a4
[20:26] <stefg> jiltdil: so firestarter is a gui frontend for ufw, which in turn is a simplified cli interface to iptables
[20:26] <Trae> I've got an old box that's 9.04 is there a way I can upgrade it to 10.10 via command line?  or even just from 9.04->9.10 ?
[20:26] <bonjoyee> jiltdil: i prefer ufw..
[20:26] <jiltdil> stefg:bonjoyee:thanx
[20:27] <Trae> I don't have X on this box in question.
[20:27] <rusk> fonts, used in gnome-settings after some time are broken...
[20:27] <qwebirc93887> ohsix: what made you ask that question in a agressive way?
[20:27] <ohsix> qwebirc93887: i meant who gave you such advice, or is it rote, old motherboard force acpi?
[20:27] <ohsix> qwebirc93887: i think the acpi epoch was in 2005, it's older than that?
[20:28] <ohsix> may have been 2002
[20:28] <jiltdil> i also have a question at sometime when icheck events in firestarter something like scanning on my port 80 happens and under serious there is 1 or 2 or more written what is that and how to prevent that ?
[20:28] <stefg> Trae: for updating purposes there's still some repos .... that involves fiddling with the sources.list. I wouldn't recommend it. you'll have to climb the adder through every release, and that will cost you more bandwidth than a simply new install.
[20:29] <andai> how do i change this: andai@andai-System-Product-Name:~$
[20:29] <jmd> Where is the kernel in ubuntu?
[20:29] <qwebirc93887> ohsix: Ubuntu forums and a lot of other websites where I found other users having same problem than I:  when I sudo shutdown -h now or sudo poweroff the computer will not poweroff, it hangs and shows "system halted" message.
[20:29] <qwebirc93887> Any tip?
[20:29] <stefg> jmd:  on top of the hardware  :-)
[20:29] <Trae> stefg: would one simply grab say the sources.list for 9.10 and apt-get dist-upgrade   then 10.04  etc...?
[20:29] <bonjoyee> andai: change it in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts and then reboot
[20:30] <andai> ty
[20:30] <ohsix> qwebirc93887: first, check if acpi is even being used and for what reason, look at the output of "dmesg" run in a terminal, if it's not obvious to you please post it to paste.ubuntu.com
[20:30] <Logan_> !kernel | jmd
[20:30] <nyuszika7h> Hi, should I install the 32-bit or the 64-bit Ubuntu for an x64 system?
[20:30] <nyuszika7h> s/for/to
[20:30] <rww> nyuszika7h: 64-bit works fine.
[20:31] <red2kic> nyuszika7h: Roll a dice.
[20:31] <andai> bonjoyee: i edited /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts was updated automatically!
[20:31]  * nyuszika7h rolls a dice
[20:31] <stefg> Trae: no... the problem is taht you have to point your sources.list in jaunty to another URL... i think soemthing like old-releases.ubuntu.com. But seriously: forget it. save your /home and reinstall.... quicker and cleaner.t
[20:31]  * neckoox sneezes
[20:31] <stefg> !clone | Trae
[20:31] <rww> !eol | Trae
[20:32] <nyuszika7h> 1, 2, 3: x64 4, 5, 6: x86
[20:32] <nyuszika7h> Yayy, 1! :D
[20:32] <warlock_> hey guys, using natty since a day ago, can't find any equivalent of gnome-panel-monitors in the current interface. should I just fire up gnome-panel ? or is there another way to monitor stuff now ?
[20:32] <qwebirc93887> ohsix: yes, I did check dmesg | grep acpi and shows "[    0.000000] ACPI: BIOS age (1997) fails cutoff (2000), acpi=force is required to enable ACPI" so I added acpi=force "[    0.000000] ACPI: acpi=force override"
[20:32] <nyuszika7h> FloodBot?
[20:32] <rww> warlock_: natty discussion and support are in #ubuntu+1
[20:32] <Trae> stefg: heh it's got a trac setup on there I really don't want to mess with.
[20:32] <rww> nyuszika7h: what about them?
[20:32] <warlock_> rww: thanks
[20:32] <ohsix> warlock_: you can use the "Classic Desktop" session if you want, and do everything like you used to
[20:32] <Trae> but thanks mate
[20:32] <Logan_> !floodbot | nyuszika7h
[20:32] <ohsix> qwebirc93887: and does it find a DSDT?
[20:32] <ayecee> nyuszika7h: how much memory?
[20:33] <nyuszika7h> ayecee: 3 GB
[20:33] <qwebirc93887> ohsix: but lsmod lsmod does not show anything acpi related
[20:33] <qwebirc93887> lsmod sorry
[20:33] <stefg> Trae: who tells you that it won't break anyway during upgrades?
[20:33] <ohsix> qwebirc93887: that's not what i asked
[20:33] <Trae> stefg: don't say such words!
[20:33] <Logan_> !away > THEBRODOZER|WORK
[20:33] <ohsix> qwebirc93887: there isn't here either (lsmod | grep acpi)
[20:33] <Trae> :)
[20:33] <qwebirc93887> ohsix: I was not replying to what you asked. What do you mean with DSDT?
[20:34] <qwebirc93887> ohsix: how do you check if acpi is working?
[20:35] <Dueli> ohsix: could you just help me with booting ubuntu into single user mode
[20:35] <Dueli> I can't find it
[20:35] <sukima> How do you set your preffered wm on an ubuntu server via command line?
[20:35] <ohsix> qwebirc93887: well, you ask it to do stuff for you, but checking if it found a DSDT is a good start, as it wont do anything without one (dmesg | grep DSDT)
[20:35] <erUSUL> Dueli: in the grub menu chooes recovery mode
[20:35] <qwebirc93887> ohsix: ps aux |  grep acpi root       511  0.0  0.1   1792   608 ?        Ss   20:30   0:00 acpid -c /etc/acpi/events -s /var/run/acpid.socket
[20:35] <stefg> Trae: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[20:35] <bonjoyee> !find libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[20:35] <ohsix> Dueli: i've got to pack up the laptop and get out of here D:
[20:35] <Dueli> ok
[20:35] <Trae> stefg: thanks mate, I do appreciate the time and effort to help.
[20:35] <erUSUL> sukima: wm? window manager? a server does not have gui by default
[20:36] <qwebirc93887> ohsix: dmesg | grep DSDT empty output..
[20:36] <ohsix> qwebirc93887: not it, sorry if i was rude earlier but i've got to go; and it sounds like theres no ACPI
[20:36] <ohsix> qwebirc93887: you'll have to try the "platform" shutdown mode
[20:36] <ohsix> qwebirc93887: one sec i'll find you the appropriate config file
[20:36] <Dueli> erUSUL, it brings me to busybox, initramfs just like in normal mode
[20:36] <qwebirc93887> ohsix: It is enabled in the BIOS
[20:36] <qwebirc93887> hm
[20:36] <qwebirc93887> ok
[20:37] <ohsix> qwebirc93887: maybe i'm mistaken and very very early acpi impls didn't have a DSDT, but i doubt it
[20:37] <sukima> erUSUL: I know I install one for playing around
[20:37] <sukima> I start it with startx
[20:37] <stefg> Trae: i bet your box will break in one way or the other anyway... but keep in mind that you can't directly upgrade... you have to go step-by-step 9.04>9.10>10.04 (should stay there) and possibly > 10.10
[20:37] <ohsix> qwebirc93887: the file has documentationa nd the settings in it, /etc/default/acpi-support gl, and bye
[20:37] <erUSUL> Dueli: what error do you get befors landing in initramfs promt?
[20:38] <Trae> stefg: yeah, make sense, I've been around a wee bit, I was just wondering if there was a way to upgrade via command line from one distro to the next without having to have X installed
[20:38] <erUSUL> sukima: and what do you want to change exactly? what wm is launched with startx? do you have more than one installed?
[20:39] <dashx> hey gang.
[20:39] <sukima> erUSUL: yup, fluxbox and icewm
[20:40] <Dueli> "mount: mounting /dev on /root/dev failed : no such file or directory" "mounting /sys on /root/sys failed: no such file or directory" "mounting /proc on root/proc failed: no such file or directory", erUSUL.
[20:40] <sukima> I can switch back and forth. Just want a way to pick which is default
[20:40] <dashx> I have a relatively simple (probably) question, has to do with grub. Anyone here wanna take a stab?
[20:40] <erUSUL> sukima: startx uses ~/.xinitrc as config file
[20:40] <Dueli> target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init
[20:40] <Dueli> No inir found. Try passing init= bootarg
[20:41] <Dueli> init*
[20:41] <erUSUL> Dueli: if you pass "init=/bin/bash" it boots? did you succeed in passing a fsck to the partition ?
[20:41] <dashx> After installing a second OS on a partition I had to reinstall grub, however the new install placed grub in /boot/boot/grub instead of /boot/grub. So whenever I have a kernel update, or what not, it writes to the /boot/grub/grub.cfg and then I have to manually copy the file to /boot/boot/grub, anyone have a long term solution for this?
[20:42] <sin8h> + folks
[20:42] <Dueli> erUSUL, "init=/bin/bash" does nothing
[20:43] <erUSUL> Dueli: you have to edit the kernel manu entry to add it to kernel options
[20:44] <erUSUL> Dueli: in the grub menu
[20:44] <Dueli> And how do I do that?
[20:44] <erUSUL> Dueli: press "e" in the grub menu that enters edit mode in grub menu iirc
[20:45] <Dueli> erUSUL, what should I do then?
[20:45] <erUSUL> Dueli: replace "quiet splash" with "init=/bin/bash"
[20:45] <stefg> dashx: what version of ubuntu / grub?
[20:46] <Dueli> erUSUL, there isn't "quiet splash"
[20:46] <BGM_> hello!
[20:46] <erUSUL> Dueli: well in the recovery mode entry there is not.
[20:47] <Dueli> oh, okay
[20:47] <BGM_> I tried looking this up on the net but to no avail: how do I launch emacs and not xemacs?
[20:47]  * stefg thinks the Floodbots are jutifying their names... flooding the channel with +o's and -j's
[20:47] <tj2>  /part
[20:48] <erUSUL> BGM_: emacs -nw
[20:48] <BGM_> orly?
[20:48] <BGM_> thx erUSUL
[20:49] <BGM_> oh wonderful! :)
[20:49] <erUSUL> BGM_: also xemacs is not the same as the gui of gnu emacs. is a "different" editor ( a fork from a years ago )
[20:50] <BGM_> erUSUL: umm, ok. I just don't like xemacs because I want to do all my work in my shell, which is why I like macs.
[20:51] <BGM_> but now I will use -nw!
[20:51] <erUSUL> !info emacs23-nox
[20:52] <jmd> BGM_, chsh /usr/bin/emacs
[20:53] <sukima> Does anyone know where looking glass 3d went? http://javadesktop.org/lg3d/debian doesn't work anymore
[20:53] <BGM_> jmd: umm, it says that "user" DNE
[20:53] <leapy0yo> can you guys help me with this: rename -n `s/^*2Pac*$/2Pac*$/` *.mp3
[20:53] <Welshy-Rob> Hello. i have tried to open a folder in my home dir and the file browser just closes, i have tried to cd into it but apparently there is no such file, but it shows up when i ls -a ? can anyone help?
[20:53] <jmd> What does "plymouth main process" mean?
[20:53] <sin8h> #me heloo
[20:53] <Dueli> erUSUL, with init=/bin/bash, booting brings me to root@(none):/#
[20:54] <erUSUL> Dueli: so it booted. « ls -l /sbin/init »
[20:54] <erUSUL> Dueli: what does it say?
[20:55] <erUSUL> leapy0yo: do you know what * means in a regex? it is not like in a shelll glob
[20:55] <jmd> BGM_ try "chsh -s /usr/bin/emacs <yourname>"
[20:56]  * sin8h pink bunny
[20:56] <erUSUL> Dueli: ?
[20:56] <BGM_> jmd: You may not change the shell for 'myname'.
[20:57] <BGM_> hu?
[20:57] <Dueli> erUSUL, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 108164 Jan 22 04:04 /sbin/init
[20:57] <BGM_> also jmd, what are you trying to get me to do?
[20:57] <erUSUL> BGM_: do not think that using emcas as login shell is a good idea
[20:57] <erUSUL> Dueli: then why it complains it can find it? /me confused
[20:57] <Dueli> I'm slow because I have to manage with a US keyboard layout but my keyboard is finnish
[20:57] <BGM_> erUSUL: umm, k
[20:58] <Dueli> erUSUL, I have no idea
[20:58] <erUSUL> Dueli: i duno if you answered before... did you managed to pass the fsck to the partition from the livecd? or mount it?
[20:58] <Pumpkin-> valid login shells have to go in /etc/shells
[20:58] <BGM_> hey guys I'm writing an OS and it has three commands: EXIT, VERBOSE ON, and VERBOSE OFF lol!
[20:59] <BGM_> well so far. It's an assignment :3
[20:59] <Dueli> what command, erUSUL?
[20:59] <Dueli> in terminal, right?
[20:59] <erUSUL> Dueli: you have to do it from the livecd...
[21:00] <Dueli> yeah, I know
[21:00] <Dueli> How?
[21:01] <erUSUL> Dueli: « e2fsck -p /dev/sdxx » where xx is replaced with the actual letter number pair
[21:01] <delinquentme> so if when i restart my computer ( ubuntu 10.04 ) .. and it doesnt make it GRUB .. is this most likely a MBR error?
[21:01] <leapy0yo> erusul, how do you do wild card in regular expression?
[21:01] <delinquentme> make it _TO_ GRUB
[21:01] <hou5ton> Any notifications I get (like email, friend logged on, etc.) are coming up off the screen of my laptop. You can see the very bottom of them, and I can't figure out how to make them show up in the actual screen where I can see them.
[21:02] <meera> hi hi, whats better linux on xp or xp on linux?
[21:02] <delinquentme> meera, install XP then install linux
[21:02] <delinquentme> meera, ubuntu *
[21:02] <bonjoyee> meera: you mean virtualisation?
[21:02] <meera> think so
[21:02] <erUSUL> leapy0yo: i think you want ".*" . is any char and * is 0 or more
[21:02] <LinuxFetus> What are the default fonts and settings for natty?
[21:02] <LinuxFetus> *font settings.
[21:02] <jmd> What are the default runlevels in ubuntu?
[21:03] <erUSUL> !runlevels
[21:03] <erUSUL> jmd: but it is 2 for legacy things
[21:03] <Dueli> erUSUL, it somehow works again...
[21:04] <erUSUL> Dueli: congrats then :)
[21:04] <delinquentme> So yeah i rebooted again .. and without making it to GRUB .. it hands on the second screen .. which would be the one that displays my mobo brand ( abit ) and the options to press TAB for POST screen .. and DEL to enter SETUP
[21:04] <Dueli> i reboot in normal mode, it suggested fixing some problems, rebooted again and now I'm at the regular desktop
[21:04] <abstrakt> leapy0yo, i sent you a msg, i guess you didn't get it?
[21:04] <Dueli> So, I guess there's nothing to worry about anymore, erUSUL?
[21:05] <erUSUL> Dueli: dunno; you will find out if something is missing
[21:05] <Dueli> okay
[21:05] <Dueli> that's when I'll come back, if necessary
[21:05] <erUSUL> Dueli: good luck
[21:05] <Dueli> Thanks for all your help, erUSUL.
[21:05] <erUSUL> Dueli: no problem
[21:06] <erUSUL> delinquentme: sata cable got loose the bios dos not find the hard disk to boot? hard to say
[21:06] <jmd> Why is there no /etc/inittab file?
[21:06] <erUSUL> !upstart
[21:07] <erUSUL> jmd: ubuntu does not use  Sys V init system anymore
[21:07] <delinquentme> erUSUL, so i can get into BIOS no problem .. i just threw in a bootable disc into the tray ..and disabled all boot options other than the CD .. and im still getting hanging
[21:08] <erUSUL> delinquentme: well if you do not get past the bios -> is a bios problem
[21:08] <delinquentme> erUSUL, well i can get INTO the bios .. and change things .. as well as save them and reboot
[21:09] <delinquentme> it doesnt get to grub so i think thats where ill start?
[21:10] <erUSUL> delinquentme: the bios does not complain about "no boot disk found"? or something like that? do you see the disk detected in the bios screen ?
[21:10]  * delinquentme ** rebooting **
[21:11] <jmd> So how do I change the runlevel?
[21:11] <Jibadeeha> is it possible to encrypt a folder on an external hard drive using ecryptfs
[21:11] <erUSUL> jmd: why do you want to change runlevel? all of them are the same
[21:12] <erUSUL> jmd: except 0,1 an 6 of course
[21:12] <terry> jmd: Ubuntu now uses upstart
[21:12] <erUSUL> !xy
[21:12] <terry> !upstart : jmd
[21:12] <terry> !upstart | jmd
[21:13] <delinquentme> WELLLLL there we go ...detecting IDE drives .... annnnd nothing
[21:13] <terry> jmd: But to answer your question:  telinit 3  #Will change to runlevel 3
[21:13] <delinquentme> so busted HD?
[21:13] <delinquentme> bad HD sector?
[21:13] <erUSUL> delinquentme: so i say hardware problem. something is wrong with the disks: chech the cabling
[21:14] <erUSUL> delinquentme: and yes it can be that disk just died
[21:14] <jmd> telinit: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
[21:14] <skullboy> ok i hate the changes to ubuntu 11.04 how do i make it look the same as ubuntu 10.10
[21:14] <brightspark> skullboy: specifically what changes?
[21:14] <erUSUL> skullboy: ask in #ubuntu+1
[21:15] <jmd> terry, According to that url you posted, there should exist a /etc/inittab
[21:15] <skullboy> #ubuntu+1
[21:15] <erUSUL> jmd: it may be outdated
[21:15] <erUSUL> skullboy: /join #ubuntu+1
[21:15] <ScaroDj> Hello! Somebody help! :) If I google it I get the location in the menus, but my problem is that I lost the task bar and Alt+F2 and am trying to fix it. The question is: Where is the terminal binary?  I need to acces it throug Nautilus...
[21:15] <LinuxFetus> Hey I'm running Ubuntu Studio 10.10. Right now when I open windows, they minimize to the top panel.  I'd like them to minimize on a panel that I added at the bottom of the screen.  How do I do this?
[21:15] <skullboy> erusul i know
[21:16] <terry> jmd: sudo telinit 2
[21:16] <erUSUL> LinuxFetus: add the window list applet to the botton panel
[21:16] <erUSUL> LinuxFetus: remove the one you have in the top panel
[21:16] <bercik_> Hello all
[21:16] <slipstream> Hi, I've got a really annoying error. Whenever I log in to ubuntu the whole interface freezes, the mouse still moves but nothing happens, sometimes the panels and desltop load but are unresponsive, sometimes not. Everything works fine if I log in under safe mode. All users are affected. I've removed and reinstalled xorg and removed all the programs I can think of which were set to run at login but no effect. Any idea where to look next?
[21:16] <bercik_> Are there any numbers of how many Linux users there are worldwide?
[21:17] <brightspark> ScaroDJ: /usr/bin/gnome-terminal if I'm not mistaken
[21:17] <erUSUL> bercik_: no source is completly accurate
[21:17] <PwrSurge> i'm getting a distribution upgrade for some reason
[21:17] <PwrSurge> is 11.04 out?
[21:17] <r1tz1> bercik_: http://counter.li.org/
[21:17] <erUSUL> PwrSurge: no
[21:17] <bercik_> thanks
[21:18] <delinquentme> erUSUL, yeap all connections look good
[21:18] <delinquentme> HDs spinning
[21:18] <LinuxFetus> erUSUL, I added it to the bottom one and then they both disappeared.
[21:18] <LinuxFetus> erUSUL, Both panels, I mean.
[21:18] <fosstux> Hi! I today bought a Logitech Harmony One Remote control and I'd like to set it up via linux. I installed concordance and congruity, but when starting congruity I get an error: ERROR: Precisely one filename argument is required
[21:18] <skullboy> can someone tell me how to make the ubuntu 11.04 gui look like 10.10
[21:18] <erUSUL> delinquentme: the disk died? can you check it as secondary in another machine?. boot into a livecd
[21:18] <terry> jmd: ubuntu no longer uses /etc/inittab
[21:18] <erUSUL> LinuxFetus: :/
[21:18] <terry> jmd: Eactly what is it you are wanting to do?
[21:19] <erUSUL> LinuxFetus: alt + f2 run  « gnome-panel »
[21:19] <terry> jmd: And what url are you refering to?
[21:19] <botcity> !11.04 | skullboy
[21:19] <LinuxFetus> erUSUL, That didn't work; it behaves as if they're both there.  Like if I click where something should be, its options show up.
[21:20] <ScaroDj> brightspark: yes, it is, thank you very much
[21:20] <erUSUL> LinuxFetus: most weird
[21:20] <LinuxFetus> erUSUL, I'll try loggin out brb.
[21:20] <delinquentme> erUSUL, yeah i can but i gotta take a bus ride for that ... so yeah i get em hooked up .. and whats the procedure after that? 1. see if they're readable 2. run some disk checking util? 3. see if they're bootable?
[21:20] <skullboy> can someone tell me how to make the ubuntu 11.04 gui look like 10.10 the chan is not supporting me
[21:20] <brightspark> ScaroDj: You're welcome.  Glad to help.
[21:21] <erUSUL> delinquentme: yes. you can not use a liveCD
[21:21] <erUSUL> ?
[21:21] <jmd> terry, I'm wanting to boot my ubuntu system.
[21:21] <terry> jmd: Is this a fresh install?
[21:21] <delinquentme> erUSUL, yeah i put in a live CD .. and told the bios to *ONLY* use the cd drive as bootable .. and it hangs before that
[21:21] <erUSUL> jmd: it is not booting normally?
[21:21] <LinuxFetus> erUSUL, Got it working.  THanks.
[21:21] <mihaita99> hello; my HDD used to heat up incredibly while running Ubuntu 10; they told me that was a bug; did they solve that bug in newer versions?
[21:21] <erUSUL> delinquentme: weird.
[21:21] <jmd> No it's not booting normally.
[21:21] <erUSUL> LinuxFetus: no problem
[21:22] <terry> jmd: What do you see on the screen?
[21:22] <erUSUL> jmd: what is the error/behavior you get?
[21:22] <jmd> and no its not a fresh install, but a fresh upgrade.
[21:22] <terry> jmd: from______?  to________?
[21:22] <bonjoyee> mihaita99: only you can answer that for yourself...
[21:23] <bercik_> Guys, when i use Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook Edition liveCD i cannot easly connect to any WiFI network. Simply no network is detected. Will it work automaticaly when I stall the system to my HDD?
[21:23] <terry> jmd: Has the upgrade process been interrupted?
[21:23] <jmd> terry, I have no idea.  For weeks I had been pestered with a menu saying "updates available" so this morning I clicked on it and let it upgrade.  Now it doesn't work.
[21:23] <bilal> can any body tell me the name of any vedio to audio converter??????????
[21:23] <Starminn> !wireless | bercik_
[21:23] <ibrahim> hi, ihave a sound problem in my computer?
[21:23] <datzilla> Hi, I have a problem where I can't ssh into my non-local box from one local pc and not the other
[21:23] <mihaita99> bonjoyee: I am now on windows and I was waiting for the new version, I thought you new
[21:23] <jmd> So far as I'm aware it wasn't interrupted.
[21:23] <brightspark> bilal: try mencoder
[21:23] <nit-wit> bercik_, run lspci find the wireless card and post it
[21:23] <botcity> bilal: ffmpeg
[21:23] <Nick_Meister> guys
[21:24] <Nick_Meister> all of my icons on the desktop are missing, and i cant right click on it
[21:24] <Nick_Meister> how do i get all this stuff back to the way it was before?
[21:24] <slipstream> Hi, I've got a really annoying error. Whenever I log in to ubuntu the whole interface freezes, the mouse still moves but nothing happens, sometimes the panels and desltop load but are unresponsive, sometimes not. Everything works fine if I log in under safe mode. All users are affected. I've removed and reinstalled xorg and removed all the programs I can think of which were set to run at login but no effect. Any idea where to look next?
[21:24] <bercik_> nit-wit: sadly I am on my Desktop at the moment
[21:24] <erUSUL> Nick_Meister: alt + f2 run « nautilus  »
[21:24] <datzilla> er.. and now I can...
[21:24] <terry> jmd: So when you trun the computer on,  tell us what happens?  Does it get past post?  How far...?
[21:24] <Nick_Meister> erUSUL, its running
[21:25] <bercik_> nit-wit: should be supported. Realtek built in Toshiba NB500
[21:25] <nit-wit> bercik_, check the card then go to google or come back here, if it isn't working now it may be a broadcom neding a hack
[21:25] <jmd> terry, I get the grub menu.
[21:26] <terry> jmd: Do you have a choice of kernels to load?
[21:26] <terry> jmd: Which one do you choose?
[21:26] <jmd> No.  Just one kernel.
[21:27] <terry> jmd: Ok, what happens when you try to boot that kernel?
[21:27] <jmd> Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.35-23-generic-pae
[21:27] <terry> jmd: Ok, what happens when you try to boot linux-2.6.35.23?
[21:27] <jmd> It all seems to boot ok.  But the login screen has lost all its users, and the mouse doesn't work and has no login box.
[21:28] <ibrahim> hi, sound has vanished from my laptop and nothing was muted
[21:28] <jayant> how can i update my system from terminal ?
[21:29] <blundakat_> Hello, I am having issues making a bios flash cd. I attempt to make an iso of the IMG file but it tells me Size of boot image is 2884 sectors -> genisoimage: Error - boot image 'F1B.IMG' has not an allowable size. any ideas? why would the floppy boot image be 4 sectors too big?
[21:29] <fosstux> Hi! I today bought a Logitech Harmony One Remote control and I'd like to set it up via linux. I installed concordance and congruity, but when starting congruity I get an error: ERROR: Precisely one filename argument is required
[21:29] <jmd> I just have the Ubuntu logo,  the computer name (and the date in the bottom right hand corner)
[21:29] <fosstux> What am I doing wrong?
[21:29] <brightspark> ibrahim: have you recently run any programs that fiddle with sound settings?
[21:29] <nit-wit> bercik_, I believe this is your card Realtek RTL8188CE and here is a link regarding it.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1604101  the more information the better as I see it.;)
[21:30] <brightspark> ibrahim: as in, do you have an idea of the cause or are we just trying to address symptoms?
[21:30] <terry> jmd: Ctrl-Alt-F6
[21:31] <blundakat_> Hello, I am having issues making a bios flash cd. I attempt to make an iso of the IMG file but it tells me Size of boot image is 2884 sectors -> genisoimage: Error - boot image 'F1B.IMG' has not an allowable size. any ideas? why would the floppy boot image be 4 sectors too big?
[21:31] <bercik_> nit-wit: thank You. I would like to be able to repay
[21:31] <terry> jmd: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:32] <ibrahim> brightspark , this was after updating
[21:32] <jmd> terry, And how do I get a shell in order to do that?
[21:33] <botcity> fosstux:  is it a command line program ? have you tried the man pages
[21:33] <terry> jmd: Ctrl-Alt-F6
[21:33] <jmd> and then?
[21:33] <terry> jmd: Ctrl-Alt-F6  (Hold Ctrl and Alt keys while hitting F6)
[21:33] <jmd> No shell appears
[21:34] <blundakat_> Hello, I am having issues making a bios flash cd. I attempt to make an iso of the IMG file but it tells me Size of boot image is 2884 sectors -> genisoimage: Error - boot image 'F1B.IMG' has not an allowable size. any ideas? why would the floppy boot image be 4 sectors too big?
[21:34] <warren> hej
[21:34] <terry> jmd: Ctrl-Alt-F5  (Hold Ctrl and Alt keys while hitting F5)
[21:34] <Guest38131> yo
[21:34] <brightspark> ibrahim: did you change from 10.04 to 10.10 or similar?  or was it just an update of software packages?
[21:34] <ibrahim> brightspark , this is not the first time the sound vanish , every time i do update it vanishes uptill now two times
[21:34] <Guest38131> somebody polish?
[21:34] <ibrahim> brightspark , this is not the first time the sound vanish , every time i do update it vanishes uptill now two times
[21:34] <jmd> terry, No. that doesn't work either.
[21:35] <terry> jmd: Was it a distribution upgrade that failed?
[21:35] <ibrahim> brightspark_ no, software package
[21:35] <Starminn> !polish | Guest38131
[21:35] <jmd> I don't think so.
[21:35] <administrator> juh
[21:36] <Guest90185> hò
[21:36] <terry> jmd: What version of Ubuntu did you have installed before all this happened?
[21:36] <Guest90185> ciao
[21:36] <root__> hi
[21:36] <jmd> I really forget.
[21:37] <terry> jmd: Was it 9.04 ?  Do you still have the CD?
[21:37] <djazz> hi, im having trouble installing 10.04.2... it works just great from the liveCD, but after install some error messages shows and I only see the desktop bg :/
[21:37] <makaveli0129> anyone know how to get netflix working under ubuntu without using virtualbox?
[21:37] <cognac-gamma> djazz: drivers ok?
[21:38] <Starminn> djazz: What are the messages? (If they're long, use http://paste.ubuntu.com )
[21:38] <terry> jmd: I'm afraid you are goint to have to start over.  (ReInstall Ubuntu).   I would suggest getting a copy of 10.04 and installing that version.
[21:38] <Axlin> makaveli0129: you're out of luck on that one, unfortunately
[21:38] <blundakat_> Hello, I am having issues making a bios flash cd. I attempt to make an iso of the IMG file but it tells me Size of boot image is 2884 sectors -> genisoimage: Error - boot image 'F1B.IMG' has not an allowable size. any ideas? why would the floppy boot image be 4 sectors too big?
[21:38] <io_error> makaveli0129: Not seen anyone do that successfully. Your best bet is to complain to Netflix.
[21:38] <jmd> terry, I was afraid you were going to say that.
[21:38] <djazz> dont have the errors nor the machine here atm
[21:38] <nit-wit> makaveli0129, no netflix in open source other then virtual
[21:38] <nit-wit> virtual ms
[21:38] <djazz> something like command 'terminal' was not found
[21:38] <terry> jmd: Well, there you go. You don't have to be afraid any more, I said it.  ;)
[21:38] <makaveli0129> axlin: thanks that what i thought i tried googling but no luck :-( guess that sucks now i have to boot into windows
[21:38] <fosstux> botcity: well - congruity is a pygtk tool as a frontend for concordance...
[21:39] <brightspark> ibrahim: try alsamixer and see if one of the levels is really low
[21:39] <fosstux> the error comes from concordance.
[21:39] <quuxman> this is interesting: `sudo apt-get install upstart-job sysvinit` ... "upstart : Conflicts: sysvinit but 2.88dsf-13.1 is to be installed"
[21:39] <jmd> It's a shame that ubuntu is getting more like windows every day.
[21:39] <djazz> it works from live boot but not from hdd? :/
[21:39] <terry> jmd: How is that?
[21:39] <quuxman> showpkg shows upstart-job depends on sysvinit but no specific version
[21:39] <Starminn> jmd: I disagree. More like Mac.
[21:40] <io_error> I switched to KDE.
[21:40] <jmd> Reboot, Reinstall ...
[21:40] <Starminn> jmd: But that's off-topic.
[21:40] <Tuplad> how do I download an extra language for ubuntu gnome ? I can't get Dutch (nl_NL or nl_BE) installed
[21:40] <dragonkeeper> is it possible to make any selected window semi-transparent ?
[21:40] <Starminn> jmd: What have you had to reboot for? Other than kernel updates, nothing I'd say.
[21:40] <io_error> jmd: I missed your original issue
[21:40] <quuxman> what this means is I can't install mysql-server without removig sysvinit, which I can only do if I type "Yes, do as I say" which makes me nervous
[21:41] <neckoox_> sorry i got disconnected ... so : I installed manually a deb package ( sudo dpkg --install myprogram )  , but an old version already existed of that program on ly computer . the deb installed the myprogram without errors ... but when i launch it from command line , i'm still on the old version . any idea ?
[21:41] <gekko_> i've got a serious problem with my pc: i turn it on, then i choose ubuntu from grub menu and after a few seconds, it abruptly shuts down. but if i stay in the grub menu, it doesnt shutdown :\
[21:41] <terry> jmd: My ubuntu system has been running for years. The original install was 6.06
[21:41] <gekko_> same with windows (i've got dual boot)
[21:41] <blundakat_> Hello, I am having issues making a bios flash cd. I attempt to make an iso of the IMG file but it tells me Size of boot image is 2884 sectors -> genisoimage: Error - boot image 'F1B.IMG' has not an allowable size. any ideas? why would the floppy boot image be 4 sectors too big?
[21:42] <waynerr> terry, my fresh ubuntu 10.10 just crashed out of no reason ( that i can find yet ), the same system ran windows day in and out :p
[21:42] <kruk> hi, how to disable the ubuntu read - only?
[21:43] <Starminn> kruk: Where is the file located?
[21:43] <ibrahim> brightspark nothing is low
[21:44] <Starminn> kruk: If it's outside of /home/YourUser then it's because you don't have write permissions. You have to be root (i.e. use sudo) to manipulate those files, then.
[21:44] <Starminn> !permissions | kruk
[21:45] <fosstux> botcity: As I checked here, my remote is not supported: http://phildev.net/concordance/supported_models.shtml
[21:45] <neckoox_> Hi guys ! i have a problem here ...
[21:45] <neckoox_> I installed manually a deb package ( sudo dpkg --install myprogram )  , but an old version already existed of that program on ly computer . the deb installed the myprogram without errors ... but when i launch it from command line , i'm still on the old version . any idea ?
[21:45] <io_error> neckoox_: I suggest you remove both versions, and then reinstall the version you want
[21:46] <dragonkeeper> how do you make any selected window semi-transparent ?
 : i did ! but , didn't seem to work . the old version was installed from the rep . the second from a downladed deb
[21:46] <Tuplad> how do I download an extra language for ubuntu gnome ? I can't get Dutch (nl_NL or nl_BE) installed
[21:47] <terry> waynerr: You probably hava a hardware issue.
[21:48] <root> hi
[21:48] <JernejL> when was 2.6.35-28-server kernel for ubuntu released?
[21:48] <kruk> What file? I am a beginner.
[21:49] <terry> waynerr: If you are trying to suggest that MS Windows has a more stable system, well, all I can say is, you've got your work cut out for you.
[21:49] <Starminn> kruk: What do you mean? I was just asking what file was "read-only"
[21:49] <waynerr> terry, i run debian/centos servers since years and no microsoft product comes near the stability but when it comes to desktops ...
[21:50] <xiamx> Problem using sudo -u cherokee /usr/bin/python -v [...]manage.py runfcgi proto.  Returns manage.py': [Errno 13] Permission denied.. can anyone help?
[21:50] <maco> JernejL: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/linux  there's a 28.49 and a 28.50, but theyre both linked on here
[21:50] <mgolisch> xiamx: manage.py is not executable?
[21:50] <mgolisch> oh you run it with python sorry
[21:51] <mgolisch> probably not the problem then
[21:51] <JernejL> is 2.6.35-28-server upgrade able to be applied at runtime?
[21:51] <kruk> X does not load
[21:51] <JernejL> rebootless patches?
[21:51] <xiamx> mgolisch, manage.py has -rwxr-xr-x
[21:51] <kruk> Ubuntu Studio 8.04
[21:51] <maco> JernejL: no, kernel upgrades require a reboot to take effect, so if you have uptime worries, read the changelog and see if the changes even apply to you
[21:51] <mgolisch> xiamx: is that user the owner? id asume it actualy need r to read the python code
[21:52] <xiamx> mgolisch, cherokee is the webserver, the owner is my nickname
[21:52] <terry> waynerr: It is the same with desktops.
[21:52] <maco> JernejL: for example https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.35-28.50 shows it's mostly changes to EeePC support with a graphics driver change and one change to Xen. so if you're on a non-Xen server, you don't actually need the upgrade and so don't need to reboot
[21:52] <JernejL> it is giving me high performance timing problems
[21:52] <souheil> hi
[21:53] <JernejL> is there a way to check times whenever server was booted up?
[21:53] <kruk> loads only the initial and validating partition
[21:53] <xiamx> it's really frustrating.. idk why even i set the file premission to 777 , it gives the same error anyway
[21:53] <maco> JernejL: the"uptime" command
[21:54] <Starminn> terry: Although because there is a lot of user interaction and more applications, there is greater potential for something to go wrong in server vs. desktop (Murphy's Law)
[21:54] <JernejL> no
[21:54] <JernejL> i need previous times when server was booted up
[21:54] <Starminn> terry: But still more stable than Windows OS, yes.
[21:54] <maco> JernejL: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.35-28.49 for this one, there's a few security bugs which may be relevant to you
[21:54] <maco> JernejL: oooh hmm
[21:55] <ibrahim> brightspark _ hey sorry it i disconnected it was an error , so nothing's low
[21:55] <_Sebastian> Hi guys, someone here who is familiar about smbus and intel 82801dbm?
[21:55] <mgolisch> xiamx: it might not have access to the directory or something
[21:55] <JernejL> so i want to know when this kernel was put up on the server
[21:55] <maco> JernejL: i dont think so
[21:55] <teage> how do i run a command automatic on every reboot?
[21:56] <_Sebastian> teage: try /etc/rc.local
[21:56] <xiamx> mgolisch, directory is readable to the world
[21:57] <JernejL> so there's no boot-up times?
[21:57] <blundakat_> Hello, I am having issues making a bios flash cd. I attempt to make an iso of the IMG file but it tells me Size of boot image is 2884 sectors -> genisoimage: Error - boot image 'F1B.IMG' has not an allowable size. any ideas? why would the floppy boot image be 4 sectors too big?
[21:58] <JernejL> is it possible to easily downgrade the kernel easily?
[21:58] <teage> _Sebastian, would that be /etc/rc.local and then the command i wish to execute?
[21:59] <_Sebastian> teage: take a look in /etc/rc.local and paste your commands inside.
[22:00] <blundakat_> Hello, I am having issues making a bios flash cd. I attempt to make an iso of the IMG file but it tells me Size of boot image is 2884 sectors -> genisoimage: Error - boot image 'F1B.IMG' has not an allowable size. any ideas? why would the floppy boot image be 4 sectors too big?
[22:00] <lrussell> can i put a vnc server on ubuntu server 10.10 without gui
[22:00] <teage> _Sebastian, oh ok ic.
[22:00] <teage> _Sebastian, Thanks
[22:01] <Guest63197>  /EXEC cd $HOME/.xchat2/buduscript && ./install.sh
[22:01] <th0r> lrussell: no
[22:02] <joshwhat> I deleted my removed my eth0 wired connection when I wanted to only use wireless, but after manually adding it back, I can't connect.  Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
[22:02] <skomorokh> Any idea how to install firefox 3.6 at the same time as the firefox 4 from the firefox-stable ppa? I would just put the tarball in /opt but unfortunately there is no binary tarball for 64bit arch on account of moz being weird
[22:03] <soultekkie> i usually found my only windows machine when i selected places>network, but after samba was installed the windows machine is no longer visible but i can still access it trough smb://ip.of.the.machine
[22:03] <soultekkie> any way to make it auto show?
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> skomorokh: the daily ppa installs firefox 4 as a seperate app, don't run upgrade though or it will make your 3.5 to the daily build too
[22:03] <bonjoyee> !info java
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> !java
[22:03] <bonjoyee> !java
[22:04] <souheil> hi
[22:04] <Jon--> Is it a bad idea to mix package updating through apt-get, aptitude and/or synaptic package manager, or will they each know which packages the other(s) have installed?
[22:04] <j_ayen_green> what's a good cli ftp package that will let me easily create ftp logins pointed to a particular directory?
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> skomorokh: remove the ppa after you install so your upgrades don't get pulled down
[22:05] <skomorokh> ActionParsnip: I want to upgrade it when new versions are released. That is exactly the problem---firefox-4.0 becomes firefox. Which would be fine, I just apt-get install firefox-3.6 ... except firefox-3.6 is actually some weird alias for firefox-4.0 instead of an actual package.
[22:05] <th0r> Jon--: they all use the same database, so you can use them all without worry
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> j_ayen_green: ftp as a command in terminal is default installed
[22:05] <Jon--> th0r, Thanks. Saw some forum posts from 2005 that said that mixing was a bad idea. I infer from this that once it WAS a bad thing to do?
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> skomorokh: the daily will give you 2 binaries so you can run either
[22:05] <skomorokh> ActionParsnip: I use firefox 4 as my primary browser and want updates for it. I'm just looking for a 64 bit ff3 package.
[22:06] <th0r> Jon--: to my knowledge there has never been any issue with using them all on the same machine, but you can only use one at a time since they all access the same database
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> skomorokh: as far as i know, the ppa has both arches
[22:06] <nicola> ciao a tutti
[22:07] <skomorokh> ActionParsnip: Yes, the packages are in 64bit. But they're all called firefox so I can't install both at the same time.
[22:08] <souheil> juste une question comment voir les partiton de ton disque dur apartir du bat4r2 in virtual box
[22:08] <skomorokh> ActionParsnip: The arch comment was regarding Mozilla only offering binary tarballs in 32bit.
[22:08] <gedO> hey, whene ubuntu 11.04 will be reliced?
[22:08] <skomorokh> ActionParsnip: Otheriwse I'd just untar it in /opt.
[22:08] <gedO> hey, whene ubuntu 11.04 will be relised?
[22:08] <teage> _Sebastian, Well this is something, i have no rc.local. I have rc0.d, rc1.d , rc2.d , all the way to rc6.d and a rcS.d. I see no rc.local
[22:08] <Starminn> !11.04 | gedO
[22:08] <j_ayen_green> ActionParsnip, I've been doing dev on ubuntu for a year now, but still feel like a noob. I've used ftp cli forever for transport, but never for admin...it will let me set up users?
[22:08] <ActionParsnip> skomorokh: the daily build has 64bit builds and will give you a firefox-4.0 which will run version 4, firefox will run 3.6
[22:08] <neckoox_> souheil : it's an english irc here . you might find help on the french one
[22:09] <souheil> where
[22:09] <skomorokh> ActionParsnip: Ya, but those are daily builds.  I just want stable 4.0 and 3.6 :)
[22:09] <gedO> thx
[22:09] <teage> _Sebastian, Im an idiot. I found it
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> skomorokh: thats al I can advise
[22:09] <th0r> !fr
[22:09] <neckoox_> souheil : i don't know , never been there !
[22:09] <skomorokh> ActionParsnip: Ah well, thanks for trying.
[22:09] <usuario> oyeeeeeeeeeee
[22:09] <souheil> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[22:09] <souheil> thinx help found
[22:10] <usuario> ken ers
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> skomorokh: the daily build is pretty good
[22:10] <j_ayen_green> ActionParsnip, basically want to create newftpuser who logs in and ends up in /www/thisdir/this_sub_dir  ... if so, I'll go read the man entry
[22:10] <usuario> dddddddddd
[22:10] <usuario> fd
[22:10] <usuario> a
[22:10] <usuario> dff
[22:10] <usuario> s
[22:10] <FloodBot1> usuario: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:10] <usuario> eeeeeeeeeeeeee
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> j_ayen_green: you could scipt with ssh and if you use GPG keys and you can script ssh
[22:10] <erUSUL> usuario: stop
[22:11] <usuario> ken ers
[22:11] <usuario> yaaaaaaaaaaaa
[22:11] <usuario> es enserio
[22:11] <gianni_>  /load .xchat2/budus.so
[22:11] <erUSUL> !es | usuario
[22:11] <usuario> como te yamas
[22:12] <usuario> de donde eres
[22:12] <usuario> eeeeeeeeeeee
[22:12] <erUSUL> usuario: Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter.
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> skomorokh: or you could compile and make a deb ;)
[22:12] <usuario> wenooo
[22:12] <usuario> hello
[22:12] <bazhang> usuario, ubuntu support question?
[22:13] <usuario> hello mi name is mari
[22:13] <hellslinger> 5by5
[22:13] <usuario> -''''''''''''''''
[22:13] <Eyes> Anyone here willing to help me out with my bcm4312?
[22:13] <skomorokh> ActionParsnip: Daily builds or compiling from scratch? Wonderful options.
[22:14] <erUSUL> Eyes: what do you need help with?
[22:14] <erUSUL> !find b43
[22:14] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx   Eyes
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> skomorokh: well the compiled debs aren't to your taste so what else can you do.
[22:14] <erUSUL> Eyes: sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[22:14] <erUSUL> Eyes: and reboot
[22:15] <skomorokh> ActionParsnip: Both mozilla and ubuntu are so silly about this... Usually I could just extract the binary or install two packages and use /etc/alternatives but mozilla killed the first one and the ubuntu packagers the second.
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> skomorokh: its one of the disadvantages of packaged systems
[22:15] <gianni_>  /load .xchat2/budus.so
[22:15] <Jon--> skomorokh, Use chrome. ;)
[22:15] <tbruff13> I need help how do i use the Ubuntu Music Store
[22:16] <skomorokh> Jon--: To debug my firefox extension?
[22:16] <THEBRODOZER|WORK> Logan_ , my problem is my stupid laptop was hibernating after 10 minutes
[22:16] <Jon--> Yes. Of course.
[22:16] <THEBRODOZER|WORK> lol
[22:16] <THEBRODOZER|WORK> I fixed it, so I shouldn't have any problems
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> Jon--: skomorokh: +1 for chrome 9well chromium daily ;))
[22:16] <Eyes> erUSUL: yeah its not as simple as that, already installed, did a purge to be safe my card was misdetected as non lpphy. reinstalled b43-fwcutter, b43-lpphy, modprobe reports modules are loaded, no entries in iwconfig or ifconfig
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> or arora :D
[22:16] <Jon--> ActionParsnip, Is chromium-daily more recent than google-chrome-unstable?
[22:17] <Jon--> I guess it must as google's package is not updated daily. Quite often still.
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> Jon--: its a daily build, compiled by a bot once a day. It has lots of bleeding edge features which are being considered for the stable. fun times
[22:17] <Jon--> Interesting
[22:17] <gianni__>  /load .xchat2/budus.so
[22:17] <Jon--> google-chrome-unstable is up to 12.0.712.0 dev
[22:17] <erUSUL> Eyes: sudo modprobe -r b43 && sudo modprobe b43 then do « dmesg | tail -n25 » paste that in pastebin
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> Jon--: https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[22:18] <tbruff13> Can someone help me use the Ubuntu Music Store
[22:18] <neverblue> i just installed Proftpd on Ubuntu, running from inetd, rather than stand alone, how do I restart the server ?
[22:18] <Jon--> ActionParsnip, No thanks. ;)
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> Jon--: 12.0.724.0 (80289)
[22:18] <Eyes> erUSUL: one moment please
[22:18] <rood> what does port forwarding mean?
[22:18] <Jon--> Oh dear
[22:18] <gianni__>  /load .xchat2/budus.so
[22:18] <erUSUL> neverblue: well if it is managed by inietd you can not restart it as it is only running when there is a connection
[22:18] <Jon--> You're .012 sub-sub versions ahead of me
[22:18] <Jon--> I'm so behind :O
[22:19] <neverblue> erUSUL: so when I edit the config, save, the changes should be applied on my next connection attempt
[22:19] <rood> like, if someone tells me to "forward port 5900"  what are they telling me to do?
[22:19] <hachre> neverblue: all you can do is kill the current clients
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> Jon--: sure but mine gets updated on a literally daily basis :D
[22:19] <hachre> neverblue: yes
[22:19] <Jon--> ActionParsnip, But yours doesn't have Google code that is only in Google chrome ;)
[22:19] <erUSUL> neverblue: i expect so
[22:19] <gianni__>  /load .xchat2/budus.so
[22:19] <neverblue> hmmm
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> rood: it tells your router to allow connections on your WAN interface and be pushed through to the internal network as you setup. Without it the connection is simply dropped
[22:19] <Jon--> Wait
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> Jon--: what's that?
[22:20] <Jon--> I may be wrong about that
[22:20] <neverblue> weird, I get a connect/closed immediately
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> Jon--: what's google code?
[22:20] <Jon--> Google Chrome might contain no code that isn't in Chromium. Someone care to clarify?
[22:20] <tbruff13> Ok I installed Rhythmbox so that I could use The ubuntu music store but I do not know how to access it can someone please help
[22:20] <Jon--> I've heard mixed reports
[22:20] <hachre> Jon--: Chrome contains code that is not in Chromium
[22:20] <red2kic> Google Chrome is based on Chromium, no?
[22:20] <chipmenk> why does openoffice spreadsheet go grey then white then grey and take 5 min to open 42k file?
[22:21] <Jon--> hachre, Which code? Is it script rendering, PDF rendering, etc?
[22:21] <hachre> Jon--: The integrated flash for example, or the PDF viewer are only in Chrome but not Chromium
[22:21] <Jon--> Nailed it. ;)
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> red2kic: the bug reports in chromium get used and a snapshot made to make chrome (as well as them adding more tracking stuff if that stuff bothers you)
[22:22] <Eyes> erUSUL: reloading the module seems to have done it, why does it need to be reloaded after boot though
[22:22] <erUSUL> Eyes: no idea
[22:22] <tbruff13> Ok I installed Rhythmbox so that I could use The ubuntu music store but I do not know how to access it can someone please help does anyone know how to help me
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> chipmenk: thats compiz showing the app is hanging
[22:22] <Jon--> Was Chroimum around before Google Chrome?
[22:22] <red2kic> ActionParsnip: OMG! :P
[22:22] <Malina> wow, that new natty doe snothing but crahs,
[22:22] <Jon--> Chromium*
[22:22] <chipmenk> I've had larger files load faster in lotus 123
[22:23] <chipmenk> on floppies
[22:23] <hachre> Jon--: Chromium is basically the open source basis for Chrome
[22:23] <Malina> if I skip install files during install, at elats it wont throw errors however compiz loves ot just fail a lot
[22:23] <erUSUL> Malina: beta software is beta news at 11 :)
[22:23] <Malina> ye true
[22:23] <neverblue> erUSUL: i want any user that logins to have read/write access into their ~, upon connection. Do you know the syntax to toss into the .conf ?
[22:23] <erUSUL> Malina: ask in #ubuntu+1 please
[22:23] <Jon--> hachre, Separate developers then?
[22:23] <Malina> but fact was, if it's beta, it should be quit einstallablke, I couldn't install any natty flavour for ages
[22:23] <jdeslaur> anyone using squid with single sign on?
[22:23] <erUSUL> neverblue: no sorry.
[22:23] <hachre> Jon--: No, but separate licenses
[22:23] <neverblue> np
[22:24] <Jon--> I see
[22:24] <Malina> erUSUL, Thx and sorry
[22:24] <neverblue> looking in the Ubuntu Guie
[22:24] <neverblue> Guide*
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> Malina: remember to MD5 test the ISO you download (probably explains missing files), but support is in #ubuntu+1
[22:24] <maco> Jon--: i think the difference is in who builds the final product. official builds being Chrome, and unofficial-to-google ones being chromium
[22:24] <hachre> Jon--: Chromium is free, Chrome is not
[22:24] <Jon--> hachre, Did Google start the Chromium project? This is the only thing I'm unclear on.
[22:24] <maco> Jon--: yes
[22:24] <Jon--> Chrome is free, just not FOSS
[22:24] <hachre> Jon--: Yes
[22:24] <Jon--> I understand now
[22:24] <Jon--> Thanks
[22:24] <erUSUL> Malina: no problem :)
[22:24] <Eyes> erUSUL: after trying to connect: wlan0: direct probe to AP [routers MAC] timed out (3 tries)
[22:24] <hachre> Jon--: It's free as in free beer but not as in freedom ;)
[22:24] <hachre> Jon--: Chrome that is
[22:25] <speedxcore> can you use ubuntu one cloud service, with other dists, like debian and mint?
[22:25] <Jon--> hachre, I understand what you meant, I just don't like it when someone goes "not open source is equal to not free". That's not really true ;).
[22:25]  * Jon-- hopes Richard Stallman isn't here
[22:25] <hachre> Jon--: True, but I didn't say those two things in the same sentence ;)
[22:26] <Jon--> Haha
[22:26] <Starminn> speedxcore: Probably. You can on Windows and mobile devices so I'd say so
[22:26] <Jon--> True :P
[22:26] <Seven_Six_Two> speedxcore, I believe you can. I read about a new client for windows, so another distro shouldn't be a problem.
[22:26] <Jon--> I gotta go eat, thanks for clearing the whole Chromium/Chrome stuff
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> speedxcore: i'd ask in their channels to check
[22:26] <hachre> Jon--: cya ;)
[22:26] <Malina> :)
[22:26] <speedxcore> ActionParsnip: which channel?
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> speedxcore: wel debian's channel is #debian
[22:26] <speedxcore> ActionParsnip: ah you mean like that.
[22:26] <Malina> by the way, this is a mix question.. can I lock down gome2, so any upgrade or when I do dist upgrade form 10.10 I won;'t get unity or G3 (gnome3)?
[22:26] <Eyes> erUSUL: b43-phy0 ERROR: Fatal DMA error: 0x00000800
[22:26] <speedxcore> ActionParsnip: I check it out
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> speedxcore: #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org is the mint channel
[22:27] <speedxcore> ActionParsnip: mkey thaks
[22:27] <Malina> else, my ubuntu times have come to an end for a bit till either it is more modular, cusomtisable or altogether lockable :p
[22:27] <hwilde> anybody have insight with nvidia quadro 600?  nvidia-xconfig bricks the system.  I've tried installing all of the drivers.  nvidia-settings says it's not in use, but it is.
[22:27] <Starminn> Malina: Those are shells so you'll keep GNOME2
[22:28] <Seven_Six_Two> Malina, you can lock packages in synaptic, and there's also a file (don't remember where) that sets the "upgradable" flag
[22:28] <Malina> ok thank god
[22:28] <Malina> thanks Starminn  Seven_Six_Two
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> !pin
[22:28] <erUSUL> Eyes: 502433
[22:28] <Malina> but pinning is just about priority isnt it?
[22:28] <tr3nton> !gnomeshell
[22:28] <erUSUL> Eyes: sorry https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/502433
[22:28] <erUSUL> Eyes: try with newer drivers ? « sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-wireless-$(lsb_release -cs)-generic »
[22:29] <Seven_Six_Two> that's what it's called. I once did a pinned downgrade against the advice of people in irc. I think that was etch->woody
[22:29] <Eyes> erUSUL: apparently this DMA error isnt uncommon hahaha
[22:29] <erUSUL> Eyes: no; not at all
[22:30] <Seven_Six_Two> Malina, pinning will stop a package from upgrading or downgrading, but isn't fun because of dependency hell
[22:30] <Malina> ye I thought with pinning, I would only set priority of which reps to use
[22:31] <jayant> hello everybody. Can somebody tell me which package provides the command "who" ? Thank you
[22:31] <Malina> like pinning 700 repo universe , 600 multiverse then multiverse would be preferred or aso
[22:31] <Malina> but as long as I can lock in synaptic or so, but will that lead to dependency hell as well?
[22:31] <Seven_Six_Two> Malina, it can be if you add a ppa but need to keep an older library that would otherwise update it.
[22:32] <Malina> ok Seven_Six_Two , so hmm, basically dep hell or leave ubuntu?
[22:32] <MK`> oh! I forgot. Does ubuntu have full ipv6 support?
[22:32] <Seven_Six_Two> Malina, it depends on what you try to keep, and what needs a newer version to work. The lower level the package you try to pin (like libc6) the more likely you'll have trouble.
[22:32] <Malina> gah.. well.. it was fun whilst it lasted.. great diustro but seems I will fall back to either squeeze or go rolling release but which is more modular (eg. arch)
[22:33] <Malina> ye but holding back unity / G3 surely to keep gnome 2 surely will be as you say
[22:33] <Malina> dep hell :/
[22:33] <Seven_Six_Two> Malina, I'm sorry, I interjected and I don't even think I know what your issue is
[22:33] <Malina> unity isn't "terrible' but it just is too inefifcient a desktop layout for me
[22:33] <yuler> I want to move my /home to a different partition (same ext4 filesystem), but getting inexact copies using "diff -r".  http://linuxmafia.com/faq/VALinux-kb/copying-directory-trees.html indicates the --sparse switch may be the reason.  Can anyone clarify what that does and why I would or would not want to use it?  Do I really need to copy all /home files over, or will some be rebuilt?
[22:33] <Fireblasto> add #ubuntu
[22:33] <Seven_Six_Two> Malina, only if the new packages are replacements for what you have.
[22:33] <Malina> no Seven_Six_Two , your advice is accurate
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> Malina: just log into the traditional desktop. It is present in Natty....
[22:34] <Malina> it is precsiely what I need to get a picture of to know if I a to hack in my new natty release and 'lock it down' or if im in worse trouble than i hoped
[22:34] <erUSUL> !separatehome | yuler
[22:34] <Fireblasto> add #ubuntu
[22:34] <Seven_Six_Two> Malina, if unity and g3 are just shells, it's likely you'll be able to keep your current desktop
[22:34] <Malina> ActionParsnip,  oh? is it ? :$ jpw?
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> Malina: yes, just log out of unity, then click username then choose the desktop from the session drop down.
[22:35] <GuyCanada> good god, is there a way to revert back to the interface from 10.10, just installed 11.04 beta and its fucking terrible
[22:35] <Malina> ah well, I mean ok I thought Gnome 3 was more than just
[22:35] <yuler> I've read psychocats page.  It produced a difference with "diff -r", hence further research and IRC.
[22:35] <bazhang> GuyCanada, no cursing
[22:35] <GuyCanada> kk sorry
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> Malina: you need to research before making such ridiculous statements
[22:35] <iceroot_> GuyCanada: #ubuntu+1
[22:35] <Malina> ah ok, so I can have unity AND gnome 3 (I knew I can have like the xfce kde etc but i thought unity was a spawn of G3 which would update gnome 2)
[22:35] <Malina> ActionParsnip, I just came in to ask, not to claim, and I didn't know :/
[22:35] <Seven_Six_Two> GuyCanada, log out and log back in, choosing another desktop from the session dropdown
[22:35] <GuyCanada> kk
[22:35] <erUSUL> yuler: a difference means? a file not matching? copy that file again
[22:36] <Malina> I bnee truggling with a non OS comp for 2 days since I wiped my disk abnd the natty isos wouldnt install, thank you very much
[22:36] <ActionParsnip> Malina: so why the "i'm going back to squeeze" stuff then....
[22:36] <Malina> no 'back to'
[22:36] <Malina> I been on ubuntuy fior 2 yrs
[22:36] <Malina> for*
[22:36] <yuler> erUSUL:  hundreds or files
[22:36] <Malina> because I thought that I didn't have a choice to keep gnome which i have used for yrs ahead of unity, which I thought was a ubbuntu versiion of new gnome or something
[22:37] <Malina> and it sounded like if I wish to keep gnome 2 without unity I can get dep hell
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> Malina: linux touts choice so taking it away would be against everything linux is
[22:37] <Starminn> Malina: By default, Natty will have the choice to use either Unity or "classic" (GNOME 2)
[22:37] <erUSUL> yuler: :( you used the exact command? the find cpio combo ?
[22:38] <Malina> GREAT Starminn , sorry I didn't have a feeling it was like that
[22:38] <Starminn> Malina: They're different, so it's okay. :) You can also use GNOME 3 if you'd rather, instead of one of those.
[22:38] <FrankFurter> hello, I'm thinking of switching my ventrilo server to ubuntu server edition.  How do I download the .tar.gz file from the command line?
[22:38] <Malina> ya, I was looking forward to gnome 3, I will like it in time but am waiting till customisation is more de fact available I think :)
[22:39] <maco> FrankFurter: wget
[22:39] <FrankFurter> maco where do I find the path to the file?
[22:39] <braxton> Is there a 64-bit version of ubuntu?
[22:39] <maco> FrankFurter: no idea. i assumed you knew what .tar.gz you wanted...
[22:39] <maco> braxton: yes
[22:39] <Seven_Six_Two> braxton, yes
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> FrankFurter: you can use lynx to web browse to the file
[22:39] <erUSUL> braxton: yes
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> braxton: yes
[22:40] <MK`> I am using ubuntu 64-bit now :)
[22:40] <braxton> I am running a 32 bit version, but apparently my computer has a 64 bit width processor.
[22:40] <yuler> erUSUL: yes.  After "diff -r",  I notice the --sparse switch on cpio and found it may be why there is a difference, but being rather new, I'm not entirely certain.
[22:40] <hwilde> braxton, yes
[22:40]  * hwilde just wanted to fit in
[22:40] <FrankFurter> I know which one I want
[22:40] <FrankFurter> ActionParsnip, thanks
[22:40] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm 64 bit too!
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> braxton: http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/
[22:40] <Fireblasto> add #ubuntu
[22:40] <maco> ActionParsnip: im confused now. isnt that just full of isos?
[22:41] <fennucci> omg hi
[22:41] <MK`> what advantages are there to having your /home on a separate partition?
[22:41] <Seven_Six_Two> hey fennucci
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> maco: read the 2nd link: http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:41] <luis__> hi
[22:41] <GuyCanada> ok so im back on the ubuntu classic interface but now google chrome has a window border where it didnt used to
[22:41] <maco> ActionParsnip: oh sorry i thought you were responding to the tarball thing
[22:41] <GuyCanada> can i fix this?
[22:41] <Seven_Six_Two> MK`, your home files won't cause the system to run out of space for important stuff like logs
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> MK`: easier backups, easier reinstalls as you just have to set the partition as /home and the settings are retained
[22:41] <red2kic> MK`: You never have to back up your home directory.
[22:42] <maco> red2kic: not true
[22:42] <Starminn> MK`: If you have to reinstall, your files will be preserved.
[22:42] <red2kic> MK`: Better advantage to have /home on different hard drive. :)
[22:42] <MK`> Ah.
[22:42] <drozdak> any obenbox users in here?
[22:42] <red2kic> maco: Well, only if the hard drive failed.
[22:42] <maco> red2kic: using a separate partition is no guarantee against a disk failure.
[22:42] <Seven_Six_Two> MK`, that's the most important! you can reinstall and keep all of your personal files and settings and emails etc
[22:42] <drozdak> *openbox
[22:42] <maco> red2kic: right, which is why i thought people usually had backups....
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> drozdak: on my server I use LXDE + openbox
[22:42] <GuyCanada> how do i restart compiz?
[22:42] <Malina> braxton, how much memory (RAM) do you have?
[22:42] <braxton> Malina: What's the command for that?
[22:42] <Malina> for all 'modern' /new computers, 4 GB ram is pretty uch the minimum, so 64 is becoming a de facto arch more and more now in the desktop worold, whne that happens, those last pesky plugins will soon enough suddenly materialise ;p
[22:42] <Malina> braxton, ytype
[22:42] <Malina> top
[22:42] <FloodBot1> Malina: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:42] <MK`> so / holds the base installation and /home holds all the configs for it?
[22:42] <maco> GuyCanada: compiz --replace
[22:42] <Fireblasto> add #ubuntu
[22:42] <erUSUL> yuler: it may be if you had many files with 0's if i am reading the cpio manual correctly
[22:42] <maco> MK`: /home holds per-user configs
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> GuyCanada: alt+f2:  compiz --replace
[22:42] <braxton> Malina: I dont' have ytype installed.
[22:42] <MK`> ok
[22:42] <maco> MK`: systemwide configs are in /etc
[22:43] <GuyCanada> thanks guys
[22:43] <Malina> stop trolling braxton
[22:43] <Malina> ,,!,,
[22:43] <MK`> I wonder if I should separate them
[22:43] <MK`> I'll test it out on my other PC where I *just* installed Ubuntu
[22:43] <braxton> Malina: Do you want a screenshot? And no, I'm afraid I'm not a troll.
[22:43] <MK`> and /home is empty
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> MK`: yes, or you can have /home as just a folder in /
[22:43] <braxton> Malina: Just give me a second.
[22:43] <drozdak> ﻿ActionParsnip i have problem with hinting on openbox + xfce panel at ubuntu 8.04
[22:43] <Malina> it's a bloody typo:
[22:43] <Malina> TYPE
[22:43] <Malina> top
[22:43] <Malina> in
[22:43] <Malina> console
[22:43] <FloodBot1> Malina: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:43] <bazhang> Malina, stop that
[22:43] <Fireblasto> add #ubuntu
[22:43] <hwilde> braxton, type "free" how much memory does it say total
[22:43] <bazhang> Fireblasto, thats not how to add
[22:43] <LjL> Fireblasto: what are you trying to do?
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> drozdak: wassup?
[22:44] <Seven_Six_Two> MK`, separate home is definitely the way to go for a desktop. I do a separate /var for my server, for similar reasons
[22:44] <Fireblasto> bazhang and LjL, script going wrong, fixing right now actually
[22:44] <Fireblasto> don't panic ;)
[22:44] <bazhang> Fireblasto, okay
[22:44] <braxton> 2836232 k total.
[22:45] <MK`> This is a laptop, so can I get away with having them the same here?
[22:45] <drozdak> its the hinting i have it in any gtk apps but on openbox window decoration fonts doesnt semm to have it
[22:45] <leapy0yo> one of my external hard drive constantly spins down then up again. How can i fix that
[22:45] <yuler> erUSUL: I thought the same thing, seeing how there's a few unstarted torrents in /home/Downloads.  Rather than clean /home to minimize zero stringed files, I just want to copy the files as-is and sort it out after I've mounted the new /home.
[22:45] <drozdak> its good on newer ubuntu installs but i dont wanna upgrade right now
[22:45] <braxton> Malina: Why does my RAM matter?
[22:45] <hwilde> braxton, what is your question?
[22:45] <MK`> actually... On the old PC I installed Ubuntu on an old harddrive. I think it'd be more wise to install /home and swap on the old HD (like, 10 years old) while putting /home on the younger one
[22:46] <Seven_Six_Two> MK`, yes. by laptop, I mean a normal machine for a normal user or 10
[22:46] <MK`> er
[22:46] <Fireblasto> www.ubuntu.com
[22:46] <MK`>  / and swap
[22:46] <MK`> ok
[22:46] <braxton> Well earlier I asked if there was a 64 bit version of ubuntu, which there is, and then Malina asked me how much ram I had.
[22:46] <Fireblasto> mhm
[22:46] <Fireblasto> good
[22:46] <Fireblasto> no reaction from the script
[22:46] <erUSUL> yuler: use another copying method? cp -a ?
[22:46] <hwilde> braxton, we answered your question now what do you want
[22:46] <DrekAlots> From the CLI and hafter setting up a PPTP tunnel what command can you use to verify the tunnel is up?
[22:47] <LjL> i can't get wireless (using network manager) working with my eeepc 901 at the moment, it's probably something i did, but i last used it long ago and right now i can't pinpoint what it is. can you help me troubleshoot? i'm on maverick
[22:47] <braxton> hwilde: I would like to have better performance and I think I would like to change to the 64 bit version, but I'm not sure if I should.
[22:47] <Seven_Six_Two> yuler, if you just want a verbatim copy, that's what dd is for.
[22:47] <drozdak> ﻿ActionParsnip i propably just need a good copy of configuration file from newer ubuntu/openbox release for proper font hinting
[22:47] <MK`> Running ubuntu 64 with xchat and several instances of pidgin, I am currently at 588 MB ram
[22:47] <hwilde> braxton, 64bit version lets you use more ram.  if you have a 64bit machine then go ahead and try 64bit version and more ram
[22:47] <Axlin> braxton: i think his/her mindset was that if you had, say, less than 4 GB of RAM, then there's not much need to worry about switching to the 64 bit version
[22:47] <Seven_Six_Two> yuler, it will copy regardless of file states
[22:48] <erUSUL> LjL: you have wlan0 in iwconfig? can it scan? « sudo iwlist wlan0 scan » ?
[22:48] <Starminn> How can I tell if my machine is 64-bit compatible?
[22:48] <LjL> erUSUL: Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
[22:48] <erUSUL> LjL: sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> Starminn: check your CPU architecture and see what it is, 64bit or 32bit
[22:49] <braxton> hwilde: Well, when I divided the total amount of memory I had in top by 1024, I got a non-integer, which is weird.
[22:49] <hwilde> braxton, you have 3Gigs
[22:49] <fennucci> Starminn,
[22:49] <fennucci> what kind of processor you have?
[22:49] <Starminn> ActionParsnip: I know that. :) I was just wondring where I could find that information ;) I don't think it is, as it's old, but I'm just curious.
[22:49] <MK`> XD I think I found a bug
[22:49] <red2kic> Starminn: Run "lscpu"
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> braxton: you can use:  free -m  to express it in Mb instead, easier to read
[22:49] <MK`> I checked the size of / and it says 128 TB.
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> Starminn: well, what CPU do you have?
[22:50] <neverblue> anyone able to help me get my proftpd server running, I can connect, but the connection drops immediately ?
[22:50] <LjL> erUSUL: Operation is not possible due to RF-kill.      now i remember i got this the other day and tried to mess with rfkill, and there is both an "eeepc-wlan" and a "phy5" Wireless LAN there, if that's of any importance. i also have eee-control installed (wifi is enabled on it), thinking that might be related.
[22:50] <Starminn> Architecture is i686,  but CPU op-mode(s) are 32-bit and 64-bit. (What is an op-mode?)
[22:50] <red2kic> Starminn: You probably can use 64bit.
[22:51] <erUSUL> LjL: « sudo rfkill list all » output shows something blocked?
[22:51] <braxton> hwilde: So switching to 64 bit wouldn't help me at all? That sucks.
[22:51] <Seven_Six_Two> how do I request a chanop?
[22:51] <Starminn> red2kic: Even though it's not an AMD64 architecture?
[22:51] <hwilde> braxton, espeically if your performance is not currently ram-limited.
[22:51] <LjL> erUSUL: yes, phy5 is soft blocked.
[22:51] <fennucci> is there anyway to setup a quick way to change screen brightness without going into the actual preferences panel?
[22:51] <Starminn> braxton: There's always PAE kernel
[22:51] <red2kic> Starminn: amd64 or intel64 or whatever64 is really samething.
[22:51] <braxton> hwilde: Well, for some reason I can't run minecraft and firefox at the same time.
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> Starminn: yes thats the arch of ubuntu,what is the output of: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep model | grep name
[22:51] <hwilde> braxton, try google-chrome
[22:51] <fennucci> how much ram you has braxton
[22:51] <braxton> hwilde: Well, I can, but with severe frame rate cuts in mft.inecra
[22:52] <fennucci> get more maybe
[22:52] <erUSUL> LjL: « sudo rfkill unblock all  » or phy5 instead of all
[22:52] <braxton> *minecraft
[22:52] <maco> fennucci: 3gb
[22:52] <braxton> fennucci: I'm on a laptop.
[22:52] <fennucci> I have 8gb of ram, and a i7 and I can do like million things
[22:52] <red2kic> Starminn: AMD came up with cpu64 first so we name it amd64.
[22:52] <braxton> Starminn: What?
[22:52] <fennucci> me too
[22:52] <hwilde> braxton, get a desktop, get a better video card, duhh
[22:52] <fennucci> I heard there were issues with i7 and ubuntu?
[22:52] <Starminn> ActionParsnip: Oh. It's an Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.00GHz
[22:52] <fennucci> I'm about to try installing ubuntu on my toshiba a505
[22:52] <fennucci> with i7
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> Starminn: then its 32bit
[22:52] <fennucci> dual boot
[22:52] <Starminn> red2kic: I know AMD64 == 64-bit. :)
[22:52] <neverblue> my FTP client receives 'PORT command failed'
[22:52] <LjL> erUSUL: ok, network manager sprang to life. now i don't know whether this will happen again next time i boot, but at least i know how to solve it temporarily, thanks
[22:52] <Starminn> ActionParsnip: What gave it away?
[22:52] <maco> braxton: PAE= Physical Address Extensions ... it's a 32bit extension that lets > 4GB of RAM be addressed by the OS, but each program is still limited to 4GB
[22:53] <red2kic> Starminn: The worst scenario? The amd64 disc stopped you from installing because it's incompatible.
[22:53] <jjlee> I have an apple trackpad which worked fine for me some months ago.  Now when I pair it I get a udev remove event a second or two right after the udev add event.  Any idea what's causing that?
[22:53] <Starminn> !pae | braxton
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> Starminn: there are no 64bit P4s ;)
[22:53] <siti> hye
[22:53] <hwilde> braxton, here is the solution for you:   get a desktop, get a better video card.  end of story bro
[22:53] <braxton> hwilde: The problem occurs on chrome too, which now makes me think that the problem isn't related to the browser.
[22:53] <erUSUL> LjL: no problem. the least i can do for someone like you :)
[22:53] <Starminn> ActionParsnip: :) Aha. That would do it, haha
[22:53] <hwilde> braxton, minecraft is eating all your video card.
[22:53] <Belial``> ActionParsnip, the Pentium DC is based on prescott which is a core for the p4.
[22:53] <MK`> When I boot Ubuntu I always get this error: "init: Failed to spawn smbd main process: unable to execute: No such file or directory" but it boots up properly. What causes this?
[22:53] <Phoenix_Silver> hi guys
[22:53] <red2kic> MK`: Samba.
[22:54] <Belial``> ActionParsnip, or i'm sorry. DC is based on core duo, the D is based on the p4.
[22:54] <erUSUL> !find b43
[22:54] <MK`> Is that maybe why my internet light is on when I am not connected? :P
[22:54] <red2kic> MK`: I don't know. Internet light? Do you have samba installed?
[22:54] <ActionParsnip> Belial``:  but that is all was outputted so its an old P4, maybe I was wrong about the 'all' bit :D, the cpuinfo points to a 32bit chip
[22:54] <fennucci> ubuntu has fucked up my wireless light on my laptop
[22:55] <iTails1> Hello, I came in here yesterday to inquire on how to get my wireless working on my Acer Aspire D250. I tried some things and the wireless drivers still wont work. I've tried both of the proprietary drivers for Ubuntu.
[22:55] <fennucci> it blinks from red to blue making it look purple
[22:55] <bazhang> fennucci, no cursing
[22:55] <Belial``> ActionParsnip, yeah, you're definitely right in this situation.
[22:55] <fennucci> I cursed?
[22:55] <fennucci> o
[22:55] <fennucci> sorry
[22:55] <MK`> I have xsmbrowser
[22:55] <MK`> but not Samba
[22:55] <Phoenix_Silver> anyone tried ubuntu 11.04 works like a charm very promising desktop
[22:55] <bazhang> Phoenix_Silver, discussion in #ubuntu+1 please
[22:56] <b1lly> is there a way to check my sound drivers cuz my sound doesnt work
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> Phoenix_Silver: works fine here. natty  support and discussion in #ubuntu+1
[22:56] <b1lly> ubuntu 10.10
[22:56] <Phoenix_Silver> ho sorry :)
[22:56] <iTails1> Hello, I came in here yesterday to inquire on how to get my wireless working on my Acer Aspire D250. I tried some things and the wireless drivers still wont work. I've tried both of the proprietary drivers for Ubuntu.
[22:56] <red2kic> MK`: Ubuntu tried to start a process/service that does not exist. If Samba isn't installed, that's what occur. Either you ignore it or you remove the startup script or you install samba.
[22:56] <MK`> go to System > preferences > sound, in hardware check the speakers billy
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> b1lly: can you give the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ./alsa-info.sh    Thanks
[22:56] <MK`> I never installed Samba... hm.
[22:57] <red2kic> MK`: Right-click and share a folder. See what happen.
[22:57] <b1lly> ActionParsnip: just type that entire thing?
[22:57] <neverblue> can someone allow any user to access their FTP site, i am using proftpd and trying to conf all system users to connect, i get an immediate dropped connection, after any user connects?
[22:57] <Phoenix_Silver> another question there is ubunjtu 64 bits ubuntu laptop but is there a ubuntu laptop 64 bits ?
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> b1lly: copy and paste the entire command
[22:57] <fennucci> Anyone know whyh ubuntu would mess with hardware lights?
[22:57] <MK`> "Sharing service is not installed" asks me if I want to install the sharing service
[22:57] <iTails1> Hello, I came in here yesterday to inquire on how to get my wireless working on my Acer Aspire D250. I tried some things and the wireless drivers still wont work. I've tried both of the proprietary drivers for Ubuntu. Can I have some help?
[22:57] <red2kic> Phoenix_Silver: amd64 is for computer/laptop.
[22:57] <erUSUL> fennucci: to make them work ?
[22:58] <Phoenix_Silver> ho oki red2kic it's what i have installed :)
[22:58] <red2kic> MK`: That's Samba. People use it to share stuffs (with other computer locally).
[22:58] <fennucci> no
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> Phoenix_Silver: you can install the 64bit on a lappy if you wish
[22:58] <fennucci> for instance my laptop has a wifi light
[22:58] <chadwin> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii guys
[22:58] <MK`> Ah. Sounds useful
[22:58] <fennucci> blue is on red is off, anbd they are blinking
[22:58] <MK`> I'll install it
[22:58] <fennucci> so it looks purple almost
[22:58] <nono> ola
[22:58] <fennucci> how come my toshiba laptop wont boot from ubuntu live cd
[22:58] <fennucci> :(
[22:58] <b1lly> ActionParsnip: should i upload the info ?
[22:59] <ymasory> is there something like kcolorchooser that doesn't rely on kde?
[22:59] <Phoenix_Silver> i have installed 64 bits on this laptop ActionParsnip
[22:59] <spyder49> ubuntu
[22:59] <spyder49> ubuntu
[22:59] <Phoenix_Silver> works like a charm :)
[22:59] <b1lly> ActionParsnip: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=cd6a69c0d843287904b568c4e726dd796e536174
[22:59] <xjerx> sometimes
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> b1lly: please, i gotta jet but it will help others to help you ;)
[22:59] <MK`> thank you red2kic
[23:00] <MK`> This will allow me to share with windows?
[23:00] <red2kic> MK`: No problem. Yes. It will allow you to share with Windows.
[23:00] <nono> this is a suck
[23:00] <MK`> Awesome
[23:00] <red2kic> !samba | MK`
[23:00] <red2kic> MK`: Here you go. :)
[23:00] <MK`> I was using xsmbrowser to access a windows share
[23:00] <MK`> maybe that installation added the smbd script
[23:00] <Phoenix_Silver> you can use ssh
[23:01] <red2kic> MK`: You can use Places --> Network
[23:01] <Seven_Six_Two> nono, that's not a helpful sentence. if you need help, ask a question.
[23:01] <yasmin_> *!list*
[23:01] <MK`> !
[23:01] <MK`> When did that happen? or is that Samba now
[23:01] <MK`> Before when I clicked there it didn't show anything for windows heh
[23:01] <red2kic> MK`: No. It have been there since. You just don't know. :)
[23:01] <MK`> Amazing
[23:01] <MK`> Thanks man
[23:02] <achraf> hi
[23:02] <snake__> I'm using rhythmbox, and all of my songs are an unknown time range. Can this be fixed? (mp3 format)
[23:02] <BajK> why doesnt Kubuntu ahve an context menu optiomn "Run as root" while ubuntu does?
[23:02] <fennucci> anyone reason the live cd wouldnt boot?
[23:03] <Seven_Six_Two> snake_, do you have a digital stopwatch and 2 wires with alligator clips?
[23:03] <Phoenix_Silver> which live cd fennucci ?
[23:03] <snake__> Seven_Six_Two, lemme search my couch cussions.
[23:03] <fennucci> LTS 10.04 Phoenix_Silver
[23:03] <fennucci> on a toshiba a505, i7, etc..
[23:04] <Seven_Six_Two> snake_, lol. do you see the time in other programs, like amarok, audacious, etc?
[23:04] <Phoenix_Silver> no reason fennucci always booted for me
[23:04] <Phoenix_Silver> have you set the vesa mode at boot fennucci ?
[23:05] <fennucci> sorry?
[23:05] <fennucci> I pressed esc
[23:05] <fennucci> and all that was presented was WIndows 7
[23:05] <fennucci> I opened cd drive
[23:05] <fennucci> and closed it again
[23:05] <snake__> Seven_Six_Two, yes actually. it does.
[23:05] <fennucci> thikning perhaps that would do something, but with no luck
[23:05] <fennucci> I'll try again
[23:05] <FloodBot1> fennucci: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:05] <FloodBot2> fennucci: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:05] <siti>  hello everyone
[23:05] <lxuser> hello?
[23:05] <Phoenix_Silver> hello
[23:05] <ayecee> hi
[23:05] <fennucci> hi
[23:06] <lxuser> I need some help if possible
[23:06] <fennucci> gar
[23:06] <fennucci> thsi is annoying
[23:06] <Phoenix_Silver> don't ask to ask .... ask :)
[23:06] <Gulfstream> how do I find my encryption key?
[23:06] <Starminn> !ask
[23:06] <Phoenix_Silver> lol
[23:07] <meganerd> Gulfstream: for which service?  PGP, ssh, etc?
[23:07] <Seven_Six_Two> snake__, well, unfortunately I can't help, but at least you know it's only rhythmbox. I never liked rhytmbox anyhow. MPD is the way to go, especially if you have a large collection and/or multiple computers
[23:07] <Starminn> Phoenix_Silver: It was driving me batty too.
[23:07] <Random_Dude> \exit
[23:07] <Gulfstream> meganerd: umm... hard drive
[23:07] <lxuser> just installed a DVD and it will only play the audio with Movie player with the error... No URI handler implemented for "dvd"
[23:07] <cmykify> I can't run any apps on 10.10, not even terminal or synaptic... any ideas?
[23:07] <Phoenix_Silver> old old irc precept :)
[23:08] <maco> cmykify: if you ctrl+alt+f1, can you login? if so, can you type "mount" and see if it says "ro" in the / row?
[23:08] <meganerd> cmykify: you can't run apps, or you can't install apps?
[23:08] <KamiKazeKenji> Does anyone know where the config file of totem is?
[23:08] <erUSUL> KamiKazeKenji: probably uses gconf
[23:08] <Gulfstream> the encrypted private directory
[23:08] <mouse> Is there a way to change the default login sound without moving/changing the desktop-login.ogg file?
[23:08] <Gulfstream> how do I find the key for it?
[23:08] <Seven_Six_Two> Kamakazi, IIRC, totem uses a backend, either xine or gstreamer.
[23:09] <lxuser> did anybody see my message, there are a lot on here I see. ??
[23:09] <MK`> When i am not connected to the internet my internet light is stuck in the "on" position, how can I fix that?
[23:09] <meganerd> Gulfstream: did you write it down when it prompted you too when you first logged in?
[23:09] <Seven_Six_Two> lxuser, have you installed ubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:09] <Gulfstream> meganerd: no, but it said I could use a command to get the key
[23:09] <fennucci> Does anyone use Gdesklets?
[23:10] <fennucci> is desklet like a widget?gadget?
[23:10] <meganerd> Gulfstream: are you logged in as that user?  That command only works if you can still log in as that user
[23:10] <KamiKazeKenji> When I press the arrow keys to rewind or fast-forward while playing audio files, it jumps 15 seconds at a time, and I found that annoying. I wanted to reduce this to five seconds. Is it possible?
[23:10] <Gulfstream> meganerd: I am logged in as the user, do you know what the command is?
[23:10] <neverblue> proftpd help: can someone link me to their folder shared portion of the .conf? I want to see how someone else setup the ~ folder shares.
[23:10] <lxuser> how, with symantic package thing?
[23:11] <Starminn> fennucci: Widgets
[23:11] <GatunoRox> hello o/
[23:11] <Phoenix_Silver> yes like android widgets
[23:11] <Phoenix_Silver> hi GatunoRox
[23:12] <lxuser> it's installing, thank you.
[23:12] <Starminn> Phoenix_Silver: Or KDE, or newer Windows, etc.
[23:12] <linusoleander> Any one knows how to get the PID out of a nohup running process?
[23:12] <fisix> how can i tell if encryptfs is already enabled and acting when i log in?
[23:12] <Gulfstream> meganerd: nevermind. I found it.
[23:12] <GatunoRox> I'm a newbie linux user, and I have a couple doubts, if it don't bother anyone I'd like you people to answer them
[23:13] <mickster04> GatunoRox: just ask away
[23:13] <GatunoRox> thx
[23:14] <GatunoRox> first, is there some good advice as to where should I start learning the insides of linux?
[23:14] <meganerd> Gulfstream: np,
[23:14] <neverblue> proftpd help: can someone link me to their folder shared portion of the .conf? I want to see how someone else setup the ~ folder shares.
[23:14] <zvacet> GatunoRox:  see http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/download_main.html
[23:15] <GatunoRox> thx
[23:15] <Phoenix_Silver> linux from scratch GatunoRox
[23:15] <zvacet> GatunoRox:  yw  :)
[23:16] <GatunoRox> 2nd: ifI install Ubuntu on an USB HDD, Full installation, with grub installed on the external hdd, can I boot it from another computer other than the one I used to install?
[23:16] <Gulfstream> is it worth encrypting the hard drive? will it slow it down?
[23:16] <Phoenix_Silver> of course GatunoRox
[23:16] <meganerd> GatunoRox: yes
[23:17] <erUSUL> Gulfstream: yes
[23:17] <erUSUL> Gulfstream: encryption is cpu intensive
[23:17] <tim167> hi, i had to restart pulseaudio, but i don't get my audio back, what can i do ?
[23:17] <GatunoRox> then, how can I set the different hardware settings ?
[23:17] <hiexpo> ? did ubuntu 10.10 switchto extlinux ?
[23:17] <GatunoRox> can I make hardware profiles?
[23:17] <Gulfstream> thanks erUSUL
[23:17] <meganerd> GatunoRox: most of it should get autodetected
[23:18] <Phoenix_Silver> usually it's automatic GatunoRox
[23:18] <habanany> ubunru 11.04  beta< where is the irc?
[23:18] <habanany> the address ?
[23:18] <GatunoRox> what about proprietary drivers? lile GPU
[23:18] <bazhang> habanany, #ubuntu+1
[23:18] <erUSUL> Gulfstream: the 2nd question answer's is yes. you can boot your external install in different computers
[23:18] <hwilde> anybody have insight with nvidia quadro 600?  nvidia-xconfig bricks the system.  I've tried installing all of the drivers.  nvidia-settings says it's not in use, but it is.
[23:18] <habanany> thankssss
[23:18] <mr_orange_> Is there a file in Ubuntu 10.10 netbook where the firewall configurations are kept?
[23:18] <meganerd> GatunoRox: you will get more ethernet devices (eg. eth1 eth2) as it remembers the MAC addresses of all the cards that it sees, but it should still work.  I have 10.10 on a USB hard drive that I carry with me
[23:18] <bazhang> mr_orange_, you mean iptables?
[23:19] <Phoenix_Silver> same thing here in a usb stick
[23:19] <mr_orange_> bazhang, i mean a file where I can edit my firewall settings
[23:19] <gilles__> where can i go to post a pic about my issue  ?
[23:19] <mickster04> !paste
[23:19] <GatunoRox> strangely, when I tried too boot on my desktop, I got to the grub screen np, and when I selected Ubuntu it went black screen forever
[23:20] <MK`> Is there a non-pain-in-the-ass way to get Ubuntu to hibernate?
[23:20] <neverblue> when running an FTP server, what ports are required? just 21 or both 21 and 22 ?
[23:20] <kryl> hi
[23:21] <kryl> I have a problem with ubuntu (maverick) I don't understand why since last upgrade I can't mount ntfs partition and I have no error logs ! that's curious ! do u have any return ?
[23:21] <hachre> neverblue: just 21, 22 is ssh...
[23:21] <mouse> Is there a way to change the default login sound without moving/changing the desktop-login.ogg file?
[23:21] <meganerd> neverblue: 20 and 21
[23:21] <neverblue> i meant, 20-21
[23:21] <Starminn> MK`: Power menu->hibernate?
[23:21] <Phoenix_Silver> 20 and 21
[23:21] <meganerd> neverblue: 22 is for ssh, scp, and sftp (not to be confused with ftps)
[23:22] <neverblue> so 20 -needs- to be open ?
[23:22] <hachre> no
[23:22] <hachre> not imo
[23:22] <hachre> only 21
[23:22] <neverblue> i connect, but then I am dropped immediately
[23:22] <neverblue> FTP client quotes PORT command failed
[23:22] <mr_orange_> Is there a file where I can edit my firewall settings for Ubuntu 10.10 netbook?
[23:22] <GatunoRox> anyway
[23:22] <neverblue> so the communication server -> client seems to fail
[23:22] <meganerd> neverblue: yes, 20 should be open
[23:23] <Starminn> !firewall | mr_orange_
[23:23] <neverblue> PORT assigns the communication port
[23:23] <yasmin_> *ubuntu*
[23:23] <terry_> mr_orange_: Have you created a firewall?
[23:23] <meganerd> neverblue: ideally you would not use ftp at all.
[23:23] <slakcphil> http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-00-introduction-to-computer-science-and-programming-fall-2008/video-lectures/lecture-2/
[23:23] <slakcphil> this stuff is awesome!
[23:23] <GatunoRox> I quit using my 16GB usb stick when trying to boot, it took as long as 10 boots and it started corrupting itself
[23:24] <terry_> mr_orange_: Or are you wanting to...?
[23:24] <neverblue> ugh
[23:24] <Starminn> slakcphil: And is also off-topic. Please continue this in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:24] <neverblue> not working
[23:24] <mr_orange_> terry_ wanting too
 sorry man
[23:24] <neverblue> restarting the Server, this doesn't seem to be working
[23:24] <terry_> mr_orange_: use ufw or install firestarter
[23:24] <trism> mouse: the login sound is played by the GNOME Login Sound line in Startup Applications, so just replace the arguments to canberra-gtk-play with -f /path/to/file/to/play
[23:24] <maco> is there a way to make grub 2 use vi-style commands like grub 1 did? or can it only do nano-style?
[23:24] <Starminn> slakcphil: No problem.
[23:24] <mr_orange_> terry_ ok thank you
[23:25] <neverblue> meganerd, FTP has it purposes
[23:25] <eshannon> hello everyone I need a little help with 2 new drives I installed. I used gparted to create partitions and format. I can access them but not able to add files or create folders
[23:25] <terry_> mr_orange_: ufw should be already installed.
[23:25] <fennucci> ugh my toshiba is being the lame, I should just uninstal windows and put ubuntu on
[23:25] <fennucci> the live cd wont boot for some reason
[23:25] <mouse> trism, Does that work with non-.ogg files?
[23:25] <terry_> eshannon: How are they mounted? mount
[23:25] <fennucci> I dont know if its a problem with my laptop or something else
[23:25] <mr_orange_> terry_ do i need to enable it
[23:25] <terry_> mr_orange_: Yes
[23:26] <trism> mouse: I don't know, you'd have to test it
[23:26] <terry_> mr_orange_: ...only if you want to, or find some need for it.
[23:26] <mouse> trism, Okay thank you.  That helps a lot.
[23:26] <mr_orange_> terry_ is there a way to view the default settings
[23:26] <eshannon> terry_ they mounted themselves. I can see them under places
[23:26] <terry_> mr_orange_: There is nothing blocked by default, but yes...  iptables -L
[23:26] <pooltable> help looking for a way to convert ccd img sub to iso ?
[23:26] <zvacet> !md5sum | fennucci
[23:26] <terry_> eshannon: mount | pastebinit
[23:27] <eshannon> terry_ I do see a reference for media
[23:27] <bercik_> is Schockwave plugin availble for Linux?
[23:27] <jessdog9001> Hello, I have a fairly serious issue with Ubuntu 10.10. I used the alternate CD to do a normal installation, and on first boot I get a completely blank screen that just stays blank. After some poking around, I got it to boot using the boot parameters "single nomodeset".
[23:27] <MK`> Hehe wow. I asked: "MK`> Is there a non-pain-in-the-ass way to get Ubuntu to hibernate?", then closed my screen for a second after locking it, and when I reopened it the screen did not reenable. I had to cut power.
[23:27] <MK`> So it's not just hibernation that's broken for me :/
[23:27] <Phoenix_Silver> fennucci:  have you tried F6 ? safe graphics mode ?
[23:27] <hwilde> anybody have insight with nvidia quadro 600?  nvidia-xconfig bricks the system.  I've tried installing all of the drivers.  nvidia-settings says it's not in use, but it is.
[23:27] <terry_> eshannon: mount | pastebinit  #and send us the resulting URL.
[23:27] <jessdog9001> But then I have no graphical acceleration. The problem appears to be related to my graphics card: Radeon 9600.
[23:28] <jessdog9001> I am currently running Ubuntu 10.10, but with VESA driver which really stinks.
[23:28] <pooltable> help looking for a way to convert ccd img sub to iso ?
[23:28] <Somelauw> Hi, I tried installing cake. So I downloaded cake then typed sudo ln -s bin/cake /bin/cake and then I tried typing "cake", but it says cake is not installed
[23:28] <fennucci> f6? nope, Phoenix_Silver my toshiba boots so fast, that I dont even get the initial screen where it says press escp for setup and what not
[23:28] <GatunoRox> anyone knows if there's a known reason why after grub, boot would stall at black screen?
[23:28] <Somelauw> What did I do wrong probably?
[23:28] <fennucci> I've been reading lots of bad things on the buntu forms Phoenix_Silver about people having lots of trouble dual bopoting with toshiba laptops
[23:28] <lmojzis> Hi all... I have weird problem. I press volume up on my Gigabyte i1520M and it "stucks" even if it's not pressed... Instead of "Vol+" it does "Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+" until swiched to another TTY and returned to TTY 7... Do you know how to solve it?
[23:28] <fennucci> How does a virtual box work?
[23:28] <terry_> eshannon: What filesystem is on them?  sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit  #And send resulting URL.
[23:28] <zvacet> jessdog9001: did you tried to install driver from system>additional hardware drivers
[23:29] <jessdog9001> GatunoRox: sounds like the problem I'm having.
[23:29] <fennucci> I have 8gb of ram on my toshiba maybe I should just use a virtual box instead of dual booting
[23:29] <yagoo> GatunoRox, grub wasnt installed.. otherwise u'd see the 'Grub' characters showing stage1 loading
[23:29] <Somelauw> Since everythin in /bin can be launched by typing it, can't it?
[23:29] <terry_> fennucci: Like a charm....
[23:29] <yagoo> GatunoRox, or u installed grub the wrong location
[23:29] <jessdog9001> zvacet: No proprietary drivers are available for my card (too old), so it has to use the open source drivers. But they stopped working with 10.10
[23:29] <mickster04> fennucci: this isn't really the place to be asking for help with virtual box, we can help with ubuntu specific problems
[23:29] <bercik_> is Schockwave plugin available for Linux?
[23:29] <heslam> hey guys. not sure if this is the right place. i'm having problems setting up my network (using ubuntu on my desktop - relevent enough? :P) and my gateway is is 192.168.0.1 and it's giving my PC an internal IP of 192.168.0.100. they're not the same, right? is 192.168.0.1 shorthand for 192.168.0.001 or 192.168.0.100?
[23:30] <eshannon> http://pastebin.com/zXFFh9uC
[23:30] <Logan_> !shockwave | bercik_
[23:30] <jessdog9001> GatunoRox: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[23:30] <lmojzis> Hi all... I have weird problem. I press volume up on my Gigabyte i1520M and it "stucks" even if it's not pressed... Instead of "Vol+" it does "Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+Vol+" until swiched to another TTY and returned to TTY 7... Do you know how to solve it? (BUMPing)
[23:30] <neverblue> still, no FTP connection
[23:30] <zvacet> fennucci: if you trying to install ubuntu in vbox it should work
[23:30] <bercik_> Logan_: thanks
[23:30] <Logan_> bercik_: you're welcome
[23:30] <nit-wit> GatunoRox, can you run this script and pastebin it.  http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[23:30] <neverblue> i thought the proftpd config would be straightforward O_o
[23:30] <yagoo> Somelauw, /bin is by default in $PATH.. that ln command makes no sense
[23:30] <marcster> does anyone else have the problem with a --natty.list being created in sources.list.d ? Causes 404 errors on updates
[23:31] <zvacet> jessdog9001: I don´t know maybe try to install radeon driver from synaptic
[23:31] <gregL> jessdog9001, Try System administration and additional drivers and see if there is a more current driver..
[23:31] <terry_> eshannon: What filesystem is on them?  sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit  #And send resulting URL.
[23:31] <yagoo> Somelauw, you don't need to make symlinks in /usr/local/bin .. u can make sure ~/bin is in PATH if this is what u want
[23:31] <zvacet> !natty | marcster
[23:31] <terry_> eshannon: sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit  #And send resulting URL.
[23:32] <pooltable> look a way to convert to standard iso?
[23:32] <KamiKazeKenji> Does anyone know how to edit totem's keyboard shortcuts?
[23:32] <Logan_> heslam: you may get more help in ##networking
[23:32] <eshannon> http://pastebin.com/Xc84WReC
[23:32] <jessdog9001> gregL: just tried that, no drivers are available. My card is too old to use the ATI proprietary driver
[23:32] <yagoo> lmojzis, try another keyboard..
[23:32] <neverblue> can someone help with proftpd setup, the #proftpd channel is dead ?
[23:32] <marcster> ubottu: ok - sorry about that. Thanks for the redirect
[23:32] <heslam> Logan_: thanks :) i'll hop on over there
[23:32] <Phoenix_Silver> lol
[23:32] <Logan_> !sorry | marcster
[23:32] <jessdog9001> zvacet: Which radeon driver were you thinking of?
[23:33] <lmojzis> yagoo: This is built in KB in Gygabyte i1520M
[23:33] <DroidDestroyer> is ubuntu supporting the new development of a XOrg Replacement?
[23:33] <Somelauw> I want to install a manually downloaded program and its instruction was to symlink a file to the path.
[23:33] <Phoenix_Silver> yes Somelauw
[23:34] <mr_orange_> If I enable logging on ufw does that information get saved somewhere?
[23:34] <neverblue> my user auths, but then I get diconnected immediately, client gives the error: "Apr 04 22:28:55 ubuntu proftpd[1840] ubuntu (mail.customhouse.com[64.251.77.169]): FTP session closed."
[23:34] <neverblue> "PORT command failed Error loading directory..."
[23:34] <jessdog9001> The strangest thing is that the video drivers work perfectly in the latest Linux Mint (based on 10.10). What on earth is Mint doing differently that makes my video work?
[23:34] <detrix42> hi. how do I take an .iso of a bootable cd and make it a bootable SD?
[23:34] <neverblue> the second post is the actual error, the first "" was a mistake
[23:35] <zvacet> jessdog9001: find in system>synaptic >xserver-xorg-video-radeon and install it and see if it works for you
[23:35] <yagoo> lmojzis, sometimes bios updates patch issues related to ps/2..
[23:35] <yagoo> lmojzis, did u try updating the bios?
[23:35] <mickster04> detrix42: unetbootin
[23:35] <jessdog9001> zvacet: Oh, yeah I've already tried that one. It gives me the nasty black screen.
[23:35] <DroidDestroyer> what's the release date for ubuntu 11.04?
[23:35] <detrix42> mickster04: thankx
[23:35] <MK`> April 28 I think
[23:36] <Pici> !natty | DroidDestroyer
[23:36] <mickster04> !11.04
[23:36] <terry_> eshannon:  Looks like 3ea dirves?  2 are 20g and one is 15g  Right?
[23:36] <zvacet> jessdog9001: sorry that is all I can think off
[23:36] <yagoo> detrix42, maybe a related usb-boot howto document can be applied to sd
[23:36] <DroidDestroyer> cool :)
[23:36] <jessdog9001> zvacet: thanks for the help anyway
[23:36] <Phoenix_Silver> unetbootin
[23:36] <mr_orange_> If I enable logging on ufw does that information get saved somewhere?
[23:36] <jessdog9001> zvacet: I am now considering which distro to try next since Ubuntu isn't working out
[23:36] <zvacet> jessdog9001: well, I was not much of help
[23:36] <yagoo> DroidDestroyer, 10.10 just cameout.. so i'm guessing like in 6 months
[23:36] <terry_> eshannon: They are plugged in via USB adapters / cables?
[23:37] <xangua> detrix42: try unetbootin, i supose it works the same way usb boot
[23:37] <GatunoRox> nit-wit: http://paste.ideaslabs.com/show/iqwpgetMaz
[23:37] <lmojzis> !ping
[23:37] <zvacet> jessdog9001: stick with mint if that works for you
[23:37] <Phoenix_Silver> yes detrix42 unetbootin works fine
[23:37] <Mamo_ya> mm
[23:37] <TimR> mr_orange_, yes, in /var/log/ufw.log
[23:37] <eshannon> no they are all plugged insata and the 2 I am looking for are 2 TB
[23:37] <MK`> when my laptop is plugged in and I click to look at the battery percentage, it says "Estimating..." but never updates. How can I fix this?
[23:37] <MK`> the moment the battery begins discharging it is fixed
[23:37] <jessdog9001> zvacet: well, I left Mint because I disliked many things. and it was too slow on my hardware. Ubuntu seems faster, even without the graphic acceleration, but then other things don't work
[23:38] <KamiKazeKenji> Does anyone know how to edit totem's config?
[23:38] <mickster04> MK`: well if you are plugged in it won't work out how lon gis left because it will be infinite as long as the power supply is good?
[23:38] <mr_orange_> TimR what kind of information will that show me exactly?
[23:38] <eshannon> terry_ I Have 1.5 TB, 400Gig, 2 2 TB drives on this Box plugged in sata
[23:38] <nit-wit> GatunoRox, hold on I see the paste
[23:38] <yagoo> MK`, it sounds more like a problem with the gui app.. i bet the battery starts charging even if the gui icon doesnt imply it is
[23:38] <Jon--> Does ubuntu handle batteries well? If I leave a lithium ion battery at 100% with the AC adepter plugged in, am I losing charge cycles or is it smart enough to then use pure AC power?
[23:39] <MK`> Maybe. I wanted to know how close it is to being full. The icon tells me when it's full, heh
[23:39] <TimR> mr_orange_, as far as I can tell, it shows you what ufw has blocked
[23:39] <MK`> just not the dialog
[23:39] <mickster04> Jon--: thats a physical thing, nothing to do with the OS usually
[23:39] <yagoo> Jon--, it's a hardware thing..
[23:39] <sione> hello, an external monitor is plugued into my laptop, when I start my laptop when the lid is closed, with ubuntu, something detect automaticly that the lid is closed, then it choose the external monitor as a principal screen... but not with archlinux
[23:39] <sione> someone knows something about that ?
[23:39] <lmojzis> !ping
[23:39] <Jon--> The acpi drivers don't impact this?
[23:39] <Starminn> KamiKazeKenji: A 2-second Google search revealed the location of the files: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1305738 if that's what you're looking for (which iirc is what you asked about earlier)
[23:39] <mickster04> MK`: the dialog shows you how much time is left roughly
[23:39] <MK`> Ah.
[23:39] <Starminn> lmojzis: Stop that.
[23:39] <MK`> I see.
[23:39] <mr_orange_> TimR, does it show ip address and port and type of packet?
[23:40] <Jon--> I asked because I burned through my last battery fast..
[23:40] <sione> what can detect if the lid if closed before the boot, then choosing the external monitor as a principal monitor on ubuntu ?
[23:40] <sione> is*
[23:40] <yagoo> Jon--, acpi helps Oses what is in the devicetree
[23:40] <mickster04> Jon--: yeah no, it is a hardware thing
[23:40] <nit-wit> GatunoRox, do you have the sdb hd dfirst to be read in the bios
[23:40] <GatunoRox> yep
[23:40] <TimR> mr_orange_, it sure does, just try looking at the file, it is rather neatly formatted
[23:40] <KamiKazeKenji> Thank you, Starminn, but gconf does not provide what I am looking for.
[23:40] <stolen_nick> exit
[23:40] <mickster04> sione: so nothing is wrong with ubuntu?
[23:40] <Phoenix_Silver> you can use reiserfs with hdd > 2 teras
[23:40] <GatunoRox> number 1 priority, you mean
[23:41] <yagoo> Jon--, if u dont have powerthrottling for ur pc, or hd then ur laptop will run at full speed
[23:41] <mr_orange_> TimR thank you, I haven't enable it yet
[23:41] <TimR> I see
[23:41] <DrekAlots> Does pptp in ubuntu require pppd?
[23:41] <Jon--> yagoo, That wasn't my question, but thanks ;)
[23:41] <KamiKazeKenji> What I am trying to do is change how much seconds it jumps when I press the arrow keys.
[23:41] <neverblue> proftpd issue, can someone please help, my clients gets this error: "PORT command failed" ?
[23:42] <nit-wit> GatunoRox, boot a live cd and reload grub to the mbr with this link. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB%202  the script loks good so I think grub2 just got borked in there somewhere
[23:42] <pooltable> help need a way to convert to iso?
[23:42] <yagoo> Jon--, sometimes u need to type a modprobe.. what laptop is this?
[23:42] <lmojzis> yagoo: In Windows it works nice... Bios should be latest (the only one released)
[23:42] <yagoo> neverblue, ftp takes two ports
[23:42] <Phoenix_Silver> 20 and 21 neverblue
[23:43] <yagoo> lmojzis, is this for X or for console?
[23:43] <Slidey> ive got an ion330, bought a new hard disk (same model as previous one), and installed latest ubuntu (previously had 9.smth), and now i seem to be getting random network drop outs where its fine, then i get connection reset by peer, and then when i try and ssh (or indeed any other protocol it seems) back in its giving connection refused
[23:43] <Slidey> anyone seen that?
[23:43] <dbdii407> Why doesn't ubuntu have Python 2.7.1?
[23:43] <lmojzis> yagoo: somebody from ubuntu-cz adviced patching /lib/udev/rules.d/95-keyboard-force-release.rules... How to do it?
[23:43] <lmojzis> dmidecode model is i1520M
[23:43] <terry_> eshannon: fsck -N /dev/sdb
[23:43] <terry_> eshannon: And tell us what it says
[23:44] <yagoo> lmojzis, the patch -p1 command ?
[23:44] <yagoo> lmojzis, make a backup of course
[23:44] <Slidey> i can ping the interface, but i get connection refused when trying to connect
[23:44] <yagoo> lmojzis, what about the bios version?
[23:44] <eshannon> terry_ [/sbin/fsck.ext2 (1) -- /dev/sdb] fsck.ext2 /dev/sdb
[23:44] <Somelauw> yagoo, I put everything in ~/bin for the ease instead of making symlinks
[23:45] <fxfitz> Hello! I just installed 10.10 and I am noticing that firefox is extremely slow with Javascript/AJAX. Has anyone else experienced this?
[23:45] <terry_> eshannon: Also fsck -N /dev/sdd  and fsck -N /dev/sdc
[23:45] <yagoo> Somelauw, well the "ln" command is for making symlinks..
[23:45] <yagoo> Somelauw, you mentioned u were using the ln command no tme
[23:45] <mr_orange_> TimR, do you know what the LEN is in the ufw.log file is?
[23:45] <lmojzis> Starminn: What?
[23:46] <eshannon> terry_ [/sbin/fsck.ext2 (1) -- /dev/sdd] fsck.ext2 /dev/sdd
[23:46] <TimR> mr_orange_, I would assume it is the size of the packet
[23:46] <yagoo> lmojzis, http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3363#bios < u should be able to update the bios to 009 from windows easily
[23:46] <eshannon> terry_ [/sbin/fsck.ext2 (1) -- /dev/sdc] fsck.ext2 /dev/sdc
[23:46] <mickster04> pooltable: from what? and for what purpose and what
[23:46] <kdub> internet
[23:47] <pooltable> i got it
[23:47] <mr_orange_> TimR, do you know if its in KB MB or just B
[23:47] <lmojzis> yagoo: look at that file... I just need to add line like this:
[23:47] <pooltable> to run a game on wii
[23:47] <lmojzis> +ENV{DMI_VENDOR}=="Dell Inc.", ATTR{[dmi/id]product_name}=="Studio 1557", RUN+="keyboard-force-release.sh $devpath dell-studio-1557"
[23:47] <lmojzis> but with my model
[23:47] <Somelauw> I think that when using ln the paths need to be absolute whereas I was symlinking a relative path.
[23:47] <pooltable> use acetoneiso
[23:47] <mouse> I have a concern with the linux/unix file system.  With how file naming works and new software coming out everyday isn't it just a matter of time before one program installs it's files over another's and messes things up?  For example two programs writing different executables to the same location with the same file name?  That's obviously a rookie mistake but isn't that cause for concern?
[23:47] <yagoo> lmojzis, can u paste the source document to this site? (just the url)
[23:47] <terry_> eshannon: Looks like sdd1 is mounted rw /dev/sdd1 on /media/2tb disk2 type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks), and so is sdb /dev/sdb1 on /media/232dd3b4-f56b-4007-ac29-3f9ca1fbc60d type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks), sdc doesn't seem to be mounted.  So, you tell me why you can not write to them.  Have  you tried?
[23:48] <Jessica632> errr... i just loaded ubuntu 10.??.  Do I need VNC4SERVER or is there already a VNC server built in?  Gnome remote desktop server?
[23:48] <mouse> That was longer than I thought it would be.
[23:48] <Somelauw> yagoo: I think that when using ln the paths need to be absolute whereas I was symlinking a relative path.
[23:48] <mickster04> mouse: how likely is that?
[23:48] <PatrickC_Ubuntu> how do i install vbox on 11.04?
[23:48] <TimR> mr_orange_, that would be in bytes
[23:48] <yagoo> lmojzis, i worded that badly.. just the url u can paste.. so i can see what that udev stuff is
[23:48] <PatrickC_Ubuntu> is it supported yet?
[23:48] <pooltable> where in 11.4?
[23:48] <Phoenix_Silver> one thing i never found in ubuntu in which files do i have to put interface bridges ?
[23:48] <pooltable> likw to try slao
[23:48] <mickster04> mouse: that is just as likely in windows?
[23:48] <kdub> mouse: the package manager can detect that, and its up to the package maintainers to resolve anything like that
[23:48] <pooltable> also
[23:48] <Somelauw> So the symlink was actually invalid.
[23:48] <mr_orange_> TimR ok thank you for your help
[23:48] <PatrickC_Ubuntu> pooltable: what do u mean?
[23:48] <kdub> plus, like mickster04 said, its unlikely
[23:48] <mickster04> !who pooltable
[23:48] <Jordan_U> mouse: There are already pieces of software that have the same name normally but whose binary has been renamed when they were packaged for Debian/Ubuntu to avoid conflict.
[23:48] <mickster04> !who | pooltable
[23:48] <terry_> eshannon: As we can see on: http://pastebin.com/zXFFh9uC  they are mounted rw (read/write), so I don't see why you can not write to them.
[23:49] <pooltable> where is 11.4  ?
[23:49] <Gaming4JC> Anyone mind helping me with setting up stunnel4? I just installed it, edited the stunnel.conf and set it uncommented out the clien=1. It's now giving me error... SSL tunnels disabled, see /etc/default/stunnel4
[23:49] <neverblue> yagoo,Phoenix: ports are open, 20and21 and a range 41000-41100
[23:49] <mickster04> !11.04
[23:49] <Pici> pooltable: #ubuntu+1
[23:49] <PatrickC_Ubuntu> thanks
[23:49] <Jordan_U> mouse: That's the nice thing about having one repository managed by a single pseudo organization to be sure things play nice together.
[23:49] <dmachine> hi
[23:49] <neverblue> yagoo, Phoenix: any other ideas ?
[23:49] <pooltable> pici not beta
[23:49] <yagoo> neverblue, the NAT server needs to allow it.. problem is the nat server
[23:49] <Pici> pooltable: Yes it is.
[23:49] <lmojzis> yagoo: It was guy from #ubuntu-cz who told be this...
[23:49] <neverblue> yagoo, could you explain further ?
[23:50] <Phoenix_Silver> group problem neverblue ?
[23:50] <lmojzis> *me
[23:50] <pooltable> pici no sorry i looking for final version
[23:50] <Pici> pooltable: It will be out on April 28th.
[23:50] <mouse> Jordan_U, Ah I didn't think of that.  Still though that could end up being an awful large workload if it had to be done manually.
[23:50] <pooltable> pici ok thanks
[23:50] <neverblue> Phoenix_Silver: i can connect, but it drops the connection immediately. I am not able to isolate what the issue is exactly. How could I -see- it that is the issue ?
[23:50] <pooltable> pici and you run beta in VB ?
[23:50] <Jessica632> does gnome remote desktop use or need vnc4server?  Is it it's own VNC server?
[23:51] <Pici> pooltable: I believe so
[23:51] <Phoenix_Silver> have you seen in the logs neverblue ?
[23:51] <mohamed-ragab> i have an error "sudo apt-get -t testing install php5=5.2.14" get "E: Version '5.2.14' for 'php5' was not found"
[23:51] <red2kic> Jessica632: vino (name of VNC server for Gnome Desktop)
[23:51] <neverblue> Phoenix_Silver: seen what ?
[23:51] <MK`> Hm, even after I restart, looking at / properties says the disk has 128 TB on it. Is this a (known) bug?
[23:52] <pooltable> pici is the release always at the end ot the month i thought 10.10 was in the start of the month ?
[23:52] <yagoo> lmojzis, do u get "reset" in dmesg ?, try hitting the key.. then after in another tty do "dmesg" .. see if anything "reset" is related to the keyboard
[23:52] <Jessica632> red2kic, so, is having vnc4server running as a process just redundant?
[23:52] <PatrickC_Ubuntu> sorry, i have another question...
[23:52] <Pici> pooltable: Usually, 10.10 was special, they wanted to do 10.10.10
[23:52] <gary_inNYC> is there a way to block IM spam in Empathy?
[23:52] <eshannon> terry_ yes I have tried if I right click to create a folder the option is greyed out. I tried to copy a file over and says error
[23:52] <PatrickC_Ubuntu> how do i install a tar.gz?
[23:52] <pooltable> pici i see
[23:52] <Jordan_U> mouse: It's probably one of the least common and easier to solve problems with integration.
[23:52] <red2kic> Jessica632: I'm not sure. I don't use VNC myself but I knew vino/vinagre is VNC packages for Gnome.
[23:52] <PatrickC_Ubuntu> im use to windows....
[23:52] <Phoenix_Silver> should be written in the logs neverblue the error sorry bu
[23:52] <MK`> .tar.gz is an archive, like .zip
[23:52] <Phoenix_Silver> should be written in the logs neverblue the error sorry but i don't use proftpd
[23:52] <xangua> !compile | PatrickC_Ubuntu
[23:52] <lmojzis> yagoo: let us go PM, this is jungle...
[23:52] <terry_> eshannon: What error?  (What does it say?)
[23:52] <gary_inNYC> I want to block every IM except those coming from my contact list in Empathy.  Can this be done?
[23:53] <Jessica632> red, tyvm
[23:53] <dwarder> how do i change default editor
[23:53] <dwarder> sudo update-alternatives –config editor
[23:53] <dwarder> doesnt seem to work
[23:53] <mouse> Jordan_U, Now I'm curious.  What's the most common?
[23:53] <neverblue> Phoenix_Silver: there is no error in the logs, as the user connects
[23:53] <pooltable> pici what the channel for beta again ?
[23:53] <Pici> pooltable: #ubuntu+1
[23:53] <red2kic> dwarder: You copied and pasted. Try --config
[23:53] <xangua> gary_inNYC: pidgin can with privacy please plugin
[23:53] <neverblue> Phoenix_Silver: the error is only displayed to the client
[23:53] <Logan_> !pm | lmojzis
[23:53] <dwarder> red2kic: same
[23:53] <Phoenix_Silver> and what is the error in the client ? neverblue
[23:54] <dwarder> red2kic: update-alternatives: error: unknown argument `–-config'
[23:54] <gary_inNYC> xangua: ic, thx
[23:54] <lmojzis> Logan But this is very hard to read...
[23:54] <red2kic> dwarder: My usual method (Gnome). Right-click a file and change properties.  Also, two dash, not that weird long dash.
[23:54] <Jordan_U> mouse: I don't know off hand.
[23:54] <sione> When I plug an external monitor into my laptop, then start ubuntu live CD, ubuntu seems to give priority to the external monitor instead of the monitor of the laptop, why ?
[23:54] <Gaming4JC> Jessica632: I don't use VNC myself, but this is the software installed on ubuntu. http://people.gnome.org/~markmc/remote-desktop.html
[23:54] <neverblue> Phoenix_Silver: i belive we are just going in circles, I post the error, to which you initially replied, it was 'PORT command failed'
[23:54]  * Gaming4JC struggles with stunnel4
[23:55] <dwarder> red2kic: i want my svn to open vim instead of nano :|
[23:55] <pooltable> pici i not sure if you can anser this i might add 2gb of ram total 4gb in my computer will i need to instal 64 bit version of ubuintu ?
[23:55] <mouse> Jordan_U, Well thank you.  I've been curious about that for a little bit.  It's good to see you're still around btw.
[23:55] <neverblue> Phoenix_Silver: as you don't use proftpd, i am unsure why you are helping, if you have no idea what Ia m talking about, allow me the opportunity to discuss my issue with others
[23:55] <navatwo> Hi, I'm trying to create a live usb for upgrading my desktop, but every way I've tried, its failed to boot off of it. It does not go to a prompt, but just says "Loading operating system...\nBoot Error."
[23:55] <red2kic> dwarder: Try "export EDITOR=vim"
[23:56] <eshannon> terry_ an error while copying permission denied
[23:56] <kryl> I have a problem with ubuntu (maverick) I don't understand why since last upgrade I can't mount ntfs partition and I have no error logs ! that's curious ! do u have any return ?
[23:56] <red2kic> dwarder: If that worked, add that to ~/.bashrc
[23:56] <EmuAlert> This is a kind of weird question, but what's the hexadecimal color usually used for brackets?
[23:56] <cipher_> EmuAlert: Google it :p
[23:56] <Starminn> EmuAlert: In what program? It probably varies for each one.
[23:56] <dwarder> red2kic: thanks
[23:57] <cipher_> EmuAlert: {0\color} ?
[23:57] <terry_> eshannon: Try from CLI.  i.e. touch /media/2tb/testfile
[23:57] <cipher_> \0*
[23:57] <neverblue> can someone else help me troubleshoot proftpd, i have a PORT command failed error, i have the required ports configured in the .conf and open
[23:58] <eshannon> terry_ touch: cannot touch `/media/2tb/testfile': No such file or directory
[23:58] <pooltable> emualert hexadecimal number, using #RRGGBB format ... while the brackets on the rgb() are regular brackets.
[23:58] <Phoenix_Silver> in my idea neverblue you have to forward your passive ports in the firewall :)
[23:58] <Phoenix_Silver> 40000 something neverblue
[23:58] <neverblue> Phoenix_Silver: which I have done
[23:58] <Phoenix_Silver> erf oki neverblue
[23:58] <cipher_> how can i set a directory to be +rw for any user?
[23:59] <EmuAlert> pooltable: Well I meant that when you see text  with syntax highlighting, if the brackets are colored, they're usually some shade of green
[23:59] <neverblue> cipher_: perhaps you mean all users?
[23:59] <neverblue> not any user
[23:59] <cipher_> Indeed
[23:59] <terry_> eshannon: mount |grep 2tb
[23:59] <eshannon> terry_ I can create a folder if I use root
[23:59] <Phoenix_Silver> have changed the mode active or passive neverblue ?
[23:59] <terry_> eshannon: but it said "No such file or directory...