[00:09] <ailo> But, the changes are pretty big.
[00:15] <ailo> I think it will take some time to get used to these new UI's. Also, one wonders how those will be adopted and used. Gnome 3, the way it looks to me, is Gnome with a new panel. Windows themselves seem to work the same as before, with resizing and such
[02:42] <ScottL> ailo, for gnome3 it seemed that rhythmbox had an entire window and when i started another app (don't remember which) it took over the whole screen
[02:43] <ailo> ScottL, You can always minimize the apps. 
[02:43] <ailo> I mean, make them smaller
[02:43] <ScottL> when i moved my cursor over to the right, a panel came up with the two apps and i could choose between them
[02:43] <ailo> unmaximize
[02:43] <ScottL> lol, different way to say it :)
[02:44] <ScottL> i also heard that gnome is removing the min, max buttons from the window
[02:44] <ScottL> they didn't ask the community, it was a design decision within the core group
[02:46] <ScottL> i'm building excitement about using xfce (if we choose to go that way)
[02:46] <ailo> ScottL, They also want to keep supporting gnome 2 apps, so I don't know. I can't believe they would replace one thing with another, if it is not functional on a Desktop, but then again, I'm not aware of their goals
[02:46] <ScottL> we will see at some point i suppose
[02:47] <ScottL> but i would really like to have a viable  contingency plan however
[02:47] <ailo> ScottL, I don't see XFCE as the future. I can only see it as a safe transition. For me, it's one step back in some way
[02:47] <ScottL> ailo, what would you suggest or recommend?
[02:47] <ailo> Gnome 3 is so young. And, I at least have no idea about their plans
[02:48] <ScottL> have you used unity at all?  their functionality seems to be very similar
[02:48] <ailo> I think XFCE might be the best choice for 11.10. During that time people will have time to test Gnome 3. 
[02:48] <ScottL> not in specific methodologies, but in overall approaches
[02:49] <ScottL> but even if we found the "perfect" base from which to build, it still may not be viable
[02:49] <ScottL> simply because we lack the developer resources
[02:50] <ScottL> ailo, which part of xfce do you see as a step back?
[02:50] <ScottL> is there missing functionality that was present in gnome?
[02:53] <ailo> Don't think there is any functionality missing compared with Gnome 2. It's just simpler, and maybe not as tweakable. It's a traditional desktop.
[02:54] <ailo> I mean, there are probably things you can do with XFCE that you can't with Gnome, but, it's still not the same.
[02:54] <ailo> I used XFCE when I had Puredyne installed
[02:57] <ailo> I just don't see it as the future. But, for Ubuntu Studio, I think stability, performance and ease of use is most important. With XFCE those things should be no problem
[02:58] <ScottL> i see several substantial benefits if we go with xfce
[02:58] <ScottL> * we effectively have a larger developer resource pool
[02:59] <ScottL> * it could be argued that this developer resource pool will have more experience and knowledge
[02:59] <ScottL> * i believe we will have easier access to creating a live dvd
[03:00] <ScottL> * the xfce developers will be acting as a buffer between us (studio devs) and the desktop
[03:00] <ScottL> meaning that when an icon doesn't show up in our stuff, most likely someone else than from our team will address it
[03:01] <ScottL> * presumably we will be using a DE requiring less memory
[03:02] <ScottL> and i wouldn't be surprised if cory wasn't able to come up with a pretty snazzy desktop as well for xfce
[03:02] <ScottL> most likely all blacks and grays again
[03:03]  * ScottL admits that he is partial to dark themes
[03:09] <ailo> ScottL, If Gnome 3 will be tweakable to a nice degree, I think it will rule. Just now, I couldn't find a way to change the theme even, but that will of course change. Ubuntu, going for Wayland in Unity and there's been talk about QT as well, dropping X. Perhaps there will be no single best choice for a desktop for a while. Could depend on the machine as much as the user. Anyway, the user will be able to choose either way.
[03:10] <ailo> Don't know what Gnome 3 is planning in regard for X, for instance
[03:11] <ailo> I mean Gnome, not Gnome 3
[03:12] <ailo> I read somewhere that Gnome will also go for Wayland later on
[03:12] <ScottL> good guess
[03:12] <ScottL> i've heard the x is horrible in terms of retaining legacy code and is quite bulky
[03:13] <ScottL> i think ubuntu got the hole shot with moving to wayland (or at least announcing it)
[03:13] <ScottL> even though they got skewered in the media originally (and by the pundits)
[03:13] <ScottL> not that i'm necessarily a canonical/ubuntu fanboi, because i'm not
[03:16] <ailo> Most people don't seem to like change, which is perhaps not the strongest reason for people objecting. I can understand first impressions can do that, because the UI is not presented well, or is not working well yet.
[03:17] <ailo> But, with a little imagination, I think both Unity and Gnome 3 look pretty good, in different ways.
[03:17] <ScottL> yeah, that's true
[03:17] <ScottL> i'm less impressed with unity, but i think it's for a different audience
[03:18] <ScottL> i think gnome3 looked brilliant, kinda like kde in some ways, but i though it looked really, really good
[03:18] <ailo> I agree. Unity seems more tuned towards mobile devices.
[03:18] <ScottL> absolutely, or touch tablets
[03:19] <ScottL> i was actually a bit jealous of how good gnome3 looked :)
[03:31] <TheMuso`> I think the unity launcher needs to be movable, i.e bottom, right, left, etc.
[03:32] <TheMuso`> But other than that, unity is very Mac OS esc.
[03:32] <holstein> TheMuso`: AGREED
[03:32] <holstein> i keep thiking thats going to be in an update
[03:32] <TheMuso`> I also don't like the menus not being shown unless you mouse over them.
[03:32] <holstein> no reason to lock it in place
[03:32] <TheMuso`> Users WILL get confused with that, for sure.
[03:33] <holstein> TheMuso`: i hope its not too different
[03:33] <holstein> folks typically dont like that much change
[03:33] <holstein> but, i do like the direction
[03:34] <holstein> i think that was the biggest problem with vista
[03:34] <holstein> it was SO much different than XP
[03:35] <holstein> all the OSX's are more similar to each other i find
[03:35] <TheMuso`> OS X's core design hasn't changed since it was released, and now for Lion things are going to change slightly.
[03:45] <ScottL> TheMuso`, do you have any comments on possibly moving to xfce?
[04:24] <TheMuso`> ScottL: Nothing other than possibly less memory/resources used.
[04:24] <TheMuso`> And that the panels may not be customizable, but I could be wrong there.
[04:30] <ScottL> TheMuso`, here's what cory has already worked up:  http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6728/screenshotoof.png
[04:30] <TheMuso`> Nice.
[12:56] <ailo> scott-work, padevchooser should be removed to. It's not working and I don't think there's any use for it anyway. 
[12:56] <ailo> too*
[13:23] <scott-work> ailo: i'll try to dig into that tonight when i'm home
[13:24] <scott-work> TheMuso: if you haven't already removed -controls from the seeds can you wait a day or two?
[13:24] <scott-work> i'd like to review what ailo is suggesting
[14:24] <rlameiro> scott-work: ping
[14:25] <scott-work> hi rlameiro :)
[14:26] <rlameiro> hey :D
[14:26] <rlameiro> I just found a website that I found amazing
[14:26] <rlameiro> remeber that idea you had for the website
[14:26] <rlameiro> a kind of place to show newcommers and alike about the software in it?
[14:27] <rlameiro> scott-work: well..... http://screencasters.heathenx.org/ 
[14:27] <rlameiro> amazing screencasts CC by SA 3.0 about inkscape
[14:27] <rlameiro> amazing resource to point to people comming :D
[14:27] <holstein> inkscape has those nice tutorials in it too
[14:28] <holstein> rlameiro: o/
[14:28] <scott-work> rlameiro: it is, i've used a few of their tutorials for inkscape :D
[14:28] <rlameiro> well, not much news then
[14:28] <rlameiro> I just found them now...
[14:28] <scott-work> i think it was troy who turned me onto heathenx and screencasters
[14:28] <scott-work> their awesome!
[14:29] <scott-work> they've helped me with video and blender as well
[14:29] <rlameiro> I do think we could put them on the ubuntu studio page
[14:29] <scott-work> they have a couple of good, simplistic tutorials for blender and video editing
[14:29] <rlameiro> maybe under Resources or stuff
[14:29] <rlameiro> microsodes...
[14:29] <scott-work> rlameiro: absolutely!
[14:29] <scott-work> especially if we can hand pick particular videos for the topics we want to discuss
[14:29] <rlameiro> they even have the video in OGV!!!!!!
[14:30] <scott-work> :D
[14:30] <scott-work> i probably should view the videos available again, i haven't really looked at the website for several months
[14:31] <scott-work> and to be honest, rlameiro, i had forgotten about them and linking it to having tutorials on our website
[14:31] <rlameiro> 106 episodes....
[14:31] <rlameiro> This is way better than an online scam course :D
[14:49] <scott-work> i notice they haven't made any new videos in a while though :(
[14:50] <rlameiro> well, 106 videos its a lot of videos :D
[14:52] <scott-work> hehe, that is very, very true
[14:53] <scott-work> i was playing around with making a video over the weekend
[14:53] <scott-work> it's very, very rough at this point - http://www.fossmusicproject.org/public/video/intro0001-7275.ogg
[14:53]  * rlameiro watching
[14:54] <scott-work> the size is too big for one thing and there is no sound at this point
[14:54] <scott-work> i need to adjust the narrative as well as i realize this doesn't properly address the audience i had intended
[14:54] <scott-work> in fact i think this probably should be broken into two separate, three-to-four minute videos
[14:55] <scott-work> there are some technical problems, like a borked end of a video, to address
[14:55] <scott-work> BUT, for a first foray into making an introductory video for ubuntu studio, i'm pretty happy that i was able to quickly and painlessly create what i did
[14:56] <rlameiro> it is very nice intro
[14:56] <rlameiro> people could submit audio for it
[14:56] <rlameiro> does the logo of studio changed to orang too?
[14:56] <rlameiro> orange?
[15:01] <scott-work> rlameiro: not necessarily, it's just the one "recent" logo that i had locally as an .svg file
[15:02] <rlameiro> oh, so this is like a test script?
[15:02] <scott-work> rlameiro: i was joking about the "propagana and relations division, multimedia department, vidoe medium <whatever i said here>"
[15:02] <scott-work> just being silly
[15:02] <rlameiro> lol
[15:03] <scott-work> mainly, this was a proof-of-concept video at this point, just to show it can be done, and done fairly well
[15:03] <rlameiro> well I did liked it very much
[15:03] <scott-work> i would like it to develop into something nice and something we might use
[15:03] <scott-work> rlameiro: thank you :)
[15:03] <rlameiro> I am picturing it on the center of the webpage for something like
[15:03] <rlameiro> What is Ubuntu studio?
[15:03] <scott-work> but as i said, this probably may need to be rethought on target audience and goals
[15:04] <rlameiro> some html5 video stuff :D
[15:04] <scott-work> rlameiro: exactly!  think of someone who does not use ubuntu or linux and is a musician, they have heard about this "ubuntu studio thing" and want to learn more
[15:04] <scott-work> we should POUNCE on that, grab it like a life line, and educate that person
[15:04] <rlameiro> yeap
[15:05] <rlameiro> This could be the intro video
[15:05] <scott-work> not just entice that person, but COMPEL them to want to use ubuntu studio
[15:05] <rlameiro> and then have one showing Ardour
[15:05] <rlameiro> JACK, Inkscape, Gimp
[15:05] <rlameiro> performing some task from beggining to end
[15:05] <scott-work> "you want to record music?  you don't want to blow a bajillion bucks for ProTools, Fruity Loops, et al?  Try Ubuntu Studio"
[15:06] <scott-work> "it is FREE!!!111ONE  that's right FREE"
[15:06] <rlameiro> for instance, how to edit a 2 minute podcast, mixing music with recorded speech and normalizing etc
[15:06] <scott-work> "have low end hardware?  it will still work (most likely)!"
[15:06] <rlameiro> lol
[15:06] <rlameiro> unlimited tracks, well depens on how much ram you have
[15:06] <scott-work> but anyone, i was thinking about a heirachal approach to the videos
[15:07] <scott-work> a beginning one to itnroduce the concept of ubuntu studio and free open source software
[15:07] <scott-work> another one to show some of the most appreciated "features"
[15:07] <scott-work> again, i want these to educate people so they want to use ubuntu studio because of what it offers
[15:08] <rlameiro> well there is a need for one explaining JACK, as it is one of the most "asked" topic
[15:08] <rlameiro> seting up
[15:08] <rlameiro> most of the people even dont understand how it works
[15:08] <scott-work> this week i'll be thinking more about what i want to audience and goals
[15:08] <scott-work> rlameiro: those can come, but i didn't think we needed those right off the bat
[15:09] <rlameiro> scott-work: yes, of course. 
[15:09] <scott-work> i wouldn't even say that a "this is jack" level video would be on the front page
[15:09] <scott-work> but it certainly would be helpful to a lot of people i readily admit
[15:09] <scott-work> and we should have one or a link to one at least
[15:09] <rlameiro> moe than anything explaining jack concept
[15:10] <rlameiro> most new people into audio doesnt get the "pro" concept of audio routing
[15:13] <scott-work> i wholeheartedly agreed
[15:13] <scott-work> especially coming from a windows background
[15:13] <scott-work> they don't even think of an audio "server"
[15:13] <scott-work> "you mean there is something i can control or direct for audio?"
[15:13] <rlameiro> yeah
[15:14] <rlameiro> I am think at thi moment on a video for it
[15:14] <scott-work> "it isn't done automatically?  that's how my windows computer does it!  i just have speaker icon on the bottom right to 'control' it"
[15:14] <rlameiro> with some depictions introducing real life situations
[15:15] <rlameiro> like an studio.... from the MIc goes to a Pre amp, then goes to a Fx processor, then to a mixer, then in the mixer is routed to the main out etc
[15:15] <rlameiro> with some diagrams and stuff
[15:15] <rlameiro> very earthy
[15:20] <scott-work> rlameiro: do you think you could outline the videos you think we would need?
[15:20] <scott-work> rough outline is fine
[15:20] <scott-work> if we could create a framework and define what needs to be done i think we have a better chance of not only encouraging others to help (because they will know exactly what needs to be done)
[15:20] <scott-work> but we will also have a better chance of actually accomplishing our goal then
[15:31] <rlameiro> scott-work: sure, I can outline the jack one
[15:31] <rlameiro> I could do some others maybe
[15:31] <rlameiro> following loosely the workflows
[15:33] <scott-work> rlameiro: i wouldn't get bogged down with every little possible video we could do...
[15:33] <scott-work> try to focus on the ones that new users or people with moderate experience will NEED
[15:33] <rlameiro> yes, maybe for now 3 or 4 to start
[15:33] <scott-work> to become competent with ubuntu studio
[15:33] <scott-work> think top down
[15:33] <scott-work> intro ubuntu studio
[15:33] <scott-work> define some concepts (like jack)
[15:34] <scott-work> show a simplistic tutorial on how to get sound through the system
[15:34] <scott-work> show a simplistic tutorial on how to record sound in ardour
[15:34] <scott-work> maybe a simple mixing tutorial
[15:34] <scott-work> maybe a simple mastering tutorial
[15:34] <scott-work> something like that
[15:34] <rlameiro> well, that would be latter
[15:34] <scott-work> granted there are things i probably left out of there that might go between some of those
[15:34] <rlameiro> the maybes that is
[15:35] <scott-work> right
[15:35] <scott-work>  :)
[15:35] <rlameiro> How to edit scores
[15:35] <scott-work> but you see the flow of what i'm talking about
[15:35] <rlameiro> how to do a simple LOGO 
[15:35] <rlameiro> How to edit a photo
[15:35] <scott-work> yeah, i was thinking about midi stuff as well
[15:35] <rlameiro> how to route midi aand audio from a soft synth
[15:36] <scott-work> yep
[15:36] <rlameiro> where do you put this in? WebRevamp?
[15:36] <scott-work> but we should focus on keeping each of the as accessible to the generl public as possible and still make them functional
[15:36] <scott-work> rlameiro: i dont' know where these will go eventually...i am hoping the new website
[15:36] <scott-work> or it could be a ubuntu studio youtube channel
[15:36] <scott-work> or a ubuntu studio vimeo channel
[15:37] <scott-work> or all of these :)
[15:37] <rlameiro> I would dare the videos to be reprucible by the users
[15:37] <rlameiro> something like taking the source audio file from a specif place on archive.org for instance
[15:37] <scott-work> right, the purpose of the video is to baffle them with our knowledge but to help them understand it and be able to use it
[15:37] <rlameiro> scott-work: no... in the wiki
[15:37] <scott-work> rlameiro: oh, do you mean "where should the outline go?"
[15:38] <rlameiro> yeap
[15:38] <scott-work> i think this may need another webpage, like "tutorial video project" or similiar
[15:38] <rlameiro> hummm
[15:38] <scott-work> it probably needs another page or get lost amongst all the others
[15:38] <rlameiro> what about IntroTutVideo
[15:38] <scott-work> s/others/other work
[15:39] <scott-work> yeah, i'm less worried about the exact name :P  but feel very strongly about it having it's own page
[15:39] <rlameiro> oki
[15:39] <scott-work> this way we might even be able to make a matrix and have people sign up for videos, keep track of what is done, rearrange what we feel is priority, etc
[15:47] <rlameiro> scott-work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos#preview
[15:47] <rlameiro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos
[15:48] <scott-work> can i ask you to add another dimension to your structure?  the dimension of importance or order of introduction (the most important being addressed first)
[15:48] <scott-work> rlameiro: 
[15:49] <scott-work> consider someone who knows almost nothing about ubuntu studio but is computer literate, maybe familiar with windows and mac
[15:49] <scott-work> they are fluent enough to move to a new system without hand holding
[15:50] <scott-work> but we are holding their hand to learn how to use ubuntu studio to record audio/make graphics/make a video
[15:50] <rlameiro> scott-work: reedited
[15:50] <scott-work> not to learn how to use ubuntu studio to install new software, or browse the internet, or those other pedestrian tasks
[15:50] <rlameiro> hummm
[15:51] <rlameiro> well this was like the big picture but it could be something like edit a podcast for ardour
[15:51] <rlameiro> maybe
[15:57] <rlameiro> scott-work: somethink more like this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos
[15:57] <falktx> wow, is this discussion about ubuntu tutorials?
[15:57] <falktx> video...
[15:58] <scott-work> yes falktx  :)
[15:58] <falktx> scott-work: rlameiro: AutoStatic and [lsd] already have some nice tutorials
[15:58] <falktx> awesome!
[15:58] <rlameiro> yes
[15:58]  * falktx hopes to make good tutorials some day...
[15:58] <rlameiro> this are for introduction
[15:58] <scott-work> rlameiro: it's moving towards what i'm thinking, i'll do some stuff at lunch (about 2 hours hence)
[15:58] <rlameiro> the idea is to link to others tutorials after that for more in depth stuff
[16:00] <rlameiro> for instance under the midi categorry / sofsynth we could link to [lsd] tutorials about seq24
[16:00] <rlameiro> but this are for new commers
[16:00] <rlameiro> falktx: if you have some idea, please tell :D
[16:01] <falktx> rlameiro: create a hosting service team?
[16:01] <falktx> youtube, vimeo or whatever
[16:01] <falktx> a specific team/channel for this
[16:02] <falktx> of course, it needs a cool webpage for 3rd party tuts too
[16:04] <rlameiro> falktx: yeap, scott-work already tought about that :D
[16:05] <falktx> so, what's the plan?
[16:05] <scott-work> falktx: we're just talking about making the plan...a meta-plan or planning the plan if you will :P
[16:05] <rlameiro> falktx: create vidos that atract new users to ubuntu studio
[16:05] <rlameiro> people comminf from mac / win
[16:05] <rlameiro> with specific and simple tasks
[16:06] <scott-work> falktx: basically i also want to make videos that teach people who are ignorant about ubunt ustudio
[16:06] <scott-work> falktx: it helps people understand that it can help them record audio, or make videos, or pretty graphics, all for free
[16:07] <scott-work> falktx: but it does so in a simple, direct way that will compel them, not just entice them, to download ubuntu studio and use it
[16:07] <rlameiro> scott-work: I am sure Ricardo LaFuente would love to do the inkscape one :D
[16:07] <rlameiro> he loves to teach others :D
[16:07] <scott-work> rlameiro: but again, it would be a series, show them the basics first...
[16:07] <scott-work> explain what a svg is, why it is better that bitmap
[16:07] <scott-work> and move from there
[16:07] <falktx> ah, back to basics
[16:08] <rlameiro> I am sure he would do that way better than me :D
[16:08] <scott-work> show them why they should learn inkscape, why it's better than gimp or others
[16:08] <scott-work> why it's imperative they use it
[16:08] <scott-work> again, this is about educating ignorant people and helping them and moderately experienced people become competent
[16:08] <rlameiro> lol
[16:09] <scott-work> but as falktx said we need to hit the basics first
[16:09] <rlameiro> " THE UBUNTU STUDIO ACADEMIE"
[16:09] <rlameiro> heheh
[16:09] <scott-work> well, yeah :D
[16:09] <rlameiro> the name just popped into my mind
[16:09] <scott-work> this is as much about ubuntu studio as it is about FOSS
[16:10] <scott-work> we need to show them that there is a viable alternative to all the other stuff, and our stuff rocks harder in many areas
[16:10] <falktx> scott-work: rlameiro: please check this - http://www.blenderguru.com/
[16:13] <rlameiro> scott-work: check the overview. is it something like that?
[16:13] <rlameiro> missplaced, just changed it
[16:15] <scott-work> falktx: i will look at that
[16:15]  * scott-work secretly is in love with blender
[16:16] <scott-work> rlameiro: i will check the change as well
[16:16] <falktx> blender2.6 will be the greatest thing ever
[16:16] <falktx> even greater than ardour3
[16:17] <scott-work> i'm using nightly blender build in ppa from built from svn
[16:17] <scott-work> it's pretty awesome :)
[16:17] <scott-work> different from 2.5 but a huge step in the right direction
[16:17] <rlameiro> scott-work: dude, you are the man of the 7 instruments :D
[16:18] <scott-work> rlameiro: i find that i'm good at many, many things...just not great at any of them though
[16:18] <falktx> blender is a good video editor
[16:18] <falktx> with jack support now, it becomes a serious alternative
[16:18] <rlameiro> scott-work: that was a good thing some time ago... sadly
[16:18] <scott-work> falktx: this is a video i played with this weekend   http://www.fossmusicproject.org/public/video/intro0001-7275.ogg
[16:19] <scott-work> falktx: made with blender and inkscape, the video was recorded with gth-recordmydesktop
[16:19] <falktx> scott-work: haha, no render?
[16:19] <scott-work> oh, oh, by "video" i meant the recording my desktop to show what i'm describing
[16:19] <falktx> ah, k
[16:19]  * falktx downloads
[16:19] <scott-work> and that's gtk
[16:20] <scott-work> crap...the video you are downloaded was done in blender and rendered as well
[16:20] <scott-work> the term "video" after "made with blender and inkscape" is the small parts of the downloading video that are recorded desktop sections
[16:21] <scott-work> falktx: anyways, it's sort of the proof-of-concept and needs to be majorly reworked both in scope and context
[16:21] <scott-work> and its' the wrong size and doesn't have any sound yet
[16:22] <falktx> scott-work: it's big download anyway
[16:28] <scott-work> falktx: aye, i wasn't refined when i did it, i just wanted it to render at this point
[16:28] <scott-work> and i took whatever format setting it came with originally
[16:30] <scott-work> falktx: as to the blenderguru, that is something we should defintely link from our website, even if there are not specific tutorials that our users might need
[16:30] <falktx> yep
[16:30] <scott-work> it shows just how powerful blender is
[16:33] <falktx> scott-work: the video has issues with mplayer, I need to use vlc to view it
[16:33] <scott-work> falktx: yeah, it blender did something funny in that it rendered a video as a .ogg file (?)
[16:34] <falktx> scott-work: it's a good video, although I think you still have a lot of text
[16:34] <scott-work> falktx: i still want to finish more of the video (just to complete my current thrust even if it doesn't properly address the audience or goals) and put it up on vimeo or youtube or something
[16:35] <scott-work> falktx: yes, lots of text...i want to add audio still, spots of music and some talking perhaps
[16:42] <scott-work> falktx: any suggestions you have for my video would be very welcome
[16:43] <falktx> scott-work: give me some time, kinda working now...
[16:43] <scott-work> falktx: sure :)
[19:02] <scott-work> rlameiro: working on the wiki now, made some changes and saved it...will continue working as i can throughtout the day
[19:03] <rlameiro> ok
[19:03] <rlameiro> I just came back from the groseery store and need to go to a teacher meeting...
[19:03] <rlameiro> boring
[19:07] <rlameiro> scott-work: man, you really have the gift for the word :D
[19:08] <scott-work> rlameiro: thanks :)  i just like to hammer stuff until i have it organized in my head, then the writing is easy :)
[19:08] <rlameiro> :)
[19:45] <scott-work> heh, ailo, basically i took what you and i talked about and inflicted it on the stuff rlameiro had done: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos
[19:45] <scott-work> it's probably way too much for video tutorials, but it's kinda together and somewhat on it's way to being organized
[19:45] <scott-work> of course it really is a more comprehesive documentation/video tutorial outline though
[19:46] <scott-work> which is okay, we can separate things later but i wouldn't mind if you added some to it as well or corrected things as you see them