[02:26] <smspillaz|zzz> fta: you need to ping me at times that aren't 1AM
[02:28] <smspillaz|zzz> like now :)
[02:39] <djtorca> I have removed Evolution Mail as I use Thunderbird. I am unable to set it as my preferred email client and hence the Dash icon is inactive? How to fix?
[07:42] <didrocks> good morning
[07:57] <AndreaAzzarone> didrocks, good morning :)
[07:57] <didrocks> hey AndreaAzzarone! how are you?
[07:58] <AndreaAzzarone> didrocks, fine thanks... what about you?
[07:59] <didrocks> AndreaAzzarone: I'm very good, thanks! beautiful weather there ;)
[08:00] <AndreaAzzarone> didrocks, spring has arrived also in Italy! :)
[08:01] <didrocks> heh, *finally*… long winter :)
[08:02] <AndreaAzzarone> didrocks, wintes is good for hacking! :)
[08:04] <DaveDavenport> stefano-palazzo: blekko?
[08:09] <stefano-palazzo> DaveDavenport, sorry, I hit tab to fast - that message was for someone else
[08:10] <didrocks> Hum, jono's photo for me is so close to reality :)
[08:11] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:14] <MacSlow> good morning everybody
[10:20] <stefano-palazzo> davidcalle,
[10:20] <stefano-palazzo> Sorry I often miss things in IRC, ping me when you're around
[10:21] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, hi
[10:22] <stefano-palazzo> davidcalle, hey :-)
[10:23] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, I'm experiencing a Lens bug. When it's launched at startup it only gets/displays half the results. Have you seen this?
[10:23] <stefano-palazzo> what results are missing? a specific group or category or something like that?
[10:25] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, half the results, no matter the group.
[10:25] <stefano-palazzo> Interesting, no I've not seen that before.
[10:26] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, jcastro told me you had something similar in your Lens because it was "starting too fast". I'm trying to find the workaround in your code, without success.
[10:27] <stefano-palazzo> davidcalle, so, I suppose there is a timeout, when the callback is ignored and no more results are displayed, it could depend on the system load (which is very high when you're just starting unity)
[10:27] <stefano-palazzo> Are you flushing the model-queue somewhere in your code?
[10:28] <davidcalle> Yes
[10:28] <stefano-palazzo> davidcalle, sorry, in that case, I've no idea what's causing it
[10:29] <davidcalle> I'm realizing I didn't try to launch it at startup since I'm flushing the model queue... :-)
[10:29] <stefano-palazzo> heh
[10:30] <davidcalle> About Blekko, I'm going to play with it tonight. It might be interesting.
[10:30] <stefano-palazzo> davidcalle, nice, please let me know how that goes - I'm particularly interested in the speed, i.e. response-time
[10:31] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, me too, as I'm trying to cross check results with several API calls.
[10:32] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, sure, I'll keep you informed.
[10:33] <stefano-palazzo> davidcalle, do you have a problem with filtering google results like "%s site:wikipedia.org"?
[10:33] <stefano-palazzo> There's a comment in your code suggesting that's an issue
[10:34] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, the issue is Wikipedia. It has lots of images on single pages and it's hard to get the good one with a Google search.
[10:34] <stefano-palazzo> Oh right, I forgot you only get a few results back
[10:35] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, site:somesite.org is not a problem, it works really welll, I'm doing it for OpenLibrary.
[10:35] <stefano-palazzo> yeah, using google is really, really nice
[10:36] <stefano-palazzo> too bad their new API is astronomically expensive
[10:36] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, that's why I have good hopes for Blekko.
[10:36] <stefano-palazzo> have you already looked at their terms of service?
[10:37] <stefano-palazzo> jorge gave me a link, where it said something along the lines of "the ToS prohibits you from doing anything interesting"
[10:39] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, they sent me a pdf doc, I will read it tonight, but the mail summarized it : "don't do more than a call per second".
[10:39] <stefano-palazzo> oh
[10:40] <stefano-palazzo> thanks for taking the time to tell me all this, I'm looking forward to your verdict :)
[10:42] <davidcalle> Though, I'm thinking of adding a Dash item "Search powered by SomeCompany" at the end of the results by default.
[10:42] <stefano-palazzo> davidcalle, I bet we're not the only people who are going to run into the problem of attribution, maybe it'd be a good idea to request a feature
[10:43] <stefano-palazzo> Something like, an arbitrary image that you can put in the lower left of the dash
[10:43] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, right.
[10:43] <stefano-palazzo> I can post something about it to the ayatana mailing list
[10:44] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, someone asked me if there was a way to bookmark interesting searches. This could be another nice feature.
[10:44] <stefano-palazzo> yes that's a nice idea
[10:45] <stefano-palazzo> davidcalle, I'm doing these special searches for things I expect to be important. So, if you type "chat", it immediately gives you an icon for the Ask Ubuntu chat, similarly you can type "au" or "askubuntu" and hit enter, to go to the main site
[10:46] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, I've seen it, it's clever.
[10:49] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, I'm still a bit  worried about something: it's the uncertainty of the UX. When you click a Dash result, you don't really know what to expect, at least on my Lens. I've added a "Free Books" section so you can be sure to "have a book to read when you click", but I feel that's not enough.
[10:51] <stefano-palazzo> davidcalle, that's not a big problem for me, I always have much more results than I can display.
[10:51] <stefano-palazzo> the free books thing is a brilliant idea!
[10:51] <vish> jcastro: seen the Shell videos where they introduce new features? we could do something similar with didrocks or DBO or njpatel or bitesizers , for new Unity features , and make them movie stars ;)
[10:52] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, thanks to Google, the API is very limited in term of things to ask, but at least, they have that. :-)
[10:53] <stefano-palazzo> davidcalle, I suppose you're going to get some feedback about it sooner or later, I would hypothesise that people are used to this uncertainty, as it occurs all over the web
[10:53] <stefano-palazzo> You never really know what's behind any link
[10:53] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, well, this shouldn't happen :b
[10:54] <stefano-palazzo> true
[10:56] <davidcalle> I hope Blekko will give me a way to display some featured searches when the Lens is opened: like 50's Science Fiction or Italian Poetry. It's still clunky with Google.
[10:56] <fta> smspillaz|zzz, hi
[10:56] <fta> smspillaz|zzz, eheh, your "like now" was 3am for me
[11:25] <smspillaz|zzz> fta: ok, now is a good time :)
[11:26] <smspillaz|zzz> fta: except that if it is a reminder to fix broken apps like xterm, just note that I need to work on slightly more important things right now but it *is* on my agenda
[11:27] <fta> smspillaz|zzz, just wanted an update on this one. now, i have it, thanks
[11:34] <mpt> didrocks, hi, do you know why Mumble ended up on the notification area whitelist?
[11:36] <didrocks> mpt: was request in bug #732682
[11:36] <didrocks> requested*
[11:37] <mpt> thanks didrocks
[11:37] <didrocks> yw :)
[12:14] <Guest61007> I would like to know how to install unity on ubuntu 11.04
[12:14] <Guest61007> I tried to add ppa:unity/ppa and then install with apt-get install unity
[12:15] <Guest61007> but no results
[12:17] <stefano-palazzo> Guest61007, this isn't the right place to ask for support, have a look at #ubuntu on this IRC server, the ubuntu forums at http://http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/
[12:58] <chrisccoulson> mpt - i keep getting firefox bugs about not being able to right-click on bookmark entries in the menus and selecting "open in new tab" or "open in new window" - i'm not sure how i should respond to these
[12:59] <chrisccoulson> (i know it's not supported, but i guess having context menus in menus is undesirable isn't it?)
[12:59] <mpt> hmmm
[12:59] <mpt> chrisccoulson, that seems like a good use case for modifier keys on menu items
[12:59] <chrisccoulson> mpt - bug 748850 for example
[12:59] <mpt> e.g. if you can Ctrl click on a link in a Web page, you should be able to Ctrl click on a bookmark in the menu
[13:00] <chrisccoulson> that would probably be ok
[13:00] <chrisccoulson> mpt - would you mind commenting on that bug?
[13:01] <mpt> sure
[13:02] <chrisccoulson> mpt - in fact, ctrl+click already does that in the firefox native menus
[13:03] <chrisccoulson> we'd need to plumb that in to unity though
[13:03] <chrisccoulson> and shift+click opens in new window :)
[13:07] <chrisccoulson> mpt - thanks for the comment
[13:50] <jcastro> didrocks: so what's up with super-s
[13:50] <didrocks> jcastro: what do you mean?
[13:50] <jcastro> is it supposed to be what it is?
[13:51] <jcastro> people are asking how to get to the shutdown menu, which used to be super s
[13:51] <didrocks> for workspace? right
[13:51] <jcastro> now it's something else
[13:51] <jcastro> er, not bound to anything at all
[13:51] <didrocks> it's for workspace mode, I referenced the bug on the changelog when doing the change
[13:52] <jcastro> right, but are we going to make a shortcut to the session menu?
[13:52] <didrocks> I don't know, it's more on kenvandine's plan, I really have no time to follow the indicators TBH
[13:53] <jcastro> ah ok, ta
[13:53] <didrocks> still dealing with last minute requests changing bunch of code…
[13:53] <jcastro> kenvandine: are we going to have a keyboard shortcut for the session menu?
[13:53] <jcastro> didrocks: keep rocking!
[13:54]  * kenvandine perks up
[13:54] <kenvandine> i thought we did!
[13:54] <kenvandine> like last cycle...
[13:54] <kenvandine> oh... did that keyboard shortcut get hi-jacked?
[13:55] <jcastro> yes
[13:55] <jcastro> it was super-s
[13:57] <kenvandine> jcastro, is there a bug filed for this?
[13:57] <jcastro> not sure
[13:57] <jcastro> I can look
[13:57] <kenvandine> i am looking
[13:57] <jcastro> where would someone report that?
[13:58] <jcastro> kenvandine: F10-left arrow. :)
[13:58] <jcastro> but still ....
[13:59] <kenvandine> yeah... we need to talk about that
[14:00] <kenvandine> if it was super-s in maverick
[14:01] <jcastro> kenvandine: indeed
[14:02] <didrocks> bug #723273
[14:02] <jcastro> kenvandine: njpatel what do you think?
[14:02] <didrocks> look at the conversation and all related bug
[14:02] <didrocks> I already argued on that
[14:02] <kenvandine> didrocks, yeah, reading that
[14:03] <jcastro> so looks like the spec says one thing
[14:03] <jcastro> and we have something else
[14:03] <didrocks> hum?
[14:04] <kenvandine> well, ctrl-alt-del  works
[14:04] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SessionMenu says super-s
[14:04] <kenvandine> doesn't let you logout
[14:04] <kenvandine> but lets you shutdown, restart, and suspend
[14:04] <jcastro> oh, heh, close
[14:05] <jcastro> and you could say, if you want to suspend just close the lid.
[14:05] <jcastro> but I don't buy that. :)
[14:07] <jcastro> kenvandine: who in design is in charge of keyboard shortcuts?
[14:07] <jcastro> ok this doesn't make sense
[14:07] <jcastro> we moved super-e to super-s
[14:07] <jcastro> what is now super-s should be super-e - we shipped that way for like 2 years
[14:07] <jcastro> and super-s should be the session menu right?
[14:08] <kenvandine> JohnLea_ i think
[14:09] <jcastro> JohnLea_: around?
[14:09] <jcastro> kenvandine: ok so if we just assign something to the session menu that should be fine right?
[14:09] <jcastro> and if not, f10->left arrow seems good enough to me
[14:09] <kenvandine> if people agree to it
[14:09] <kenvandine> and ctrl-alt-del
[14:10] <kenvandine> works for most cases
[14:10]  * jcastro nods
[14:10] <kenvandine> getting people to agree on keybindings == hard
[14:10] <jcastro> well, I was hoping JohnLea_ would just tell us
[14:10] <kenvandine> just fyi :)
[14:10] <kenvandine> jcastro, that is fine too
[14:12] <om26er> good evening lamalex, How are you?
[14:18] <lamalex> hi om26er
[14:18] <lamalex> i'm really good this morning
[14:19] <om26er> lamalex, glad to hear ;)
[14:20] <JohnLea_> jcastro, kenvandine; bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/723273 takes prescience over session menu spec
[14:21] <jcastro> JohnLea_: ok, so super-s definately belongs where it is now
[14:22] <jcastro> so we're just missing a shortcut to the sessionmenu, do we want one or do we go with f10->left arrow and ctrl-alt-del as workaround?
[14:22] <kamstrup> didrocks: my French friend. I need your domain expertise in the French language!
[14:22] <didrocks> kamstrup: bien sûr! :)
[14:22] <kamstrup> didrocks: so I have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/746450
[14:23] <kamstrup> didrocks: Xapian doesn't seem good at handling this out of the box
[14:23] <kamstrup> didrocks: so I am considering a hack, adding a custom stemmer that removes prefix letters from words like d'argent
[14:24] <kamstrup> making it just argent - only in the index of course (not user visible)
[14:24] <kamstrup> that way the queries d'argent and argent would both match d'argent
[14:25] <kamstrup> but would the rule CHAR APOSTROPHE WORD --> WORD  screw up something else in french?
[14:25] <didrocks> kamstrup: make sense, as d' or l' is just like "du, le la les", they are meaningless
[14:25] <aruiz> didrocks, I'm trying to build the compiz bzr branch and the CMakeLists.txt points to unity/unity_window_decorator as a subdir, however the directory doesn't exist
[14:25] <aruiz> didrocks, am I missing something?
[14:25] <kamstrup> aruiz: you're native spanish speaker right?
[14:25] <aruiz> kamstrup, yup
[14:25] <didrocks> aruiz: look at our packages, we have patches in debian/patches/
[14:25] <aruiz> didrocks, cheers
[14:26] <didrocks> kamstrup: so yeah, sounds reasonable to me :)
[14:26] <aruiz> kamstrup, why?
[14:26] <kamstrup> aruiz: I guess you use apostrophes to join words in spanish as well?
[14:26] <aruiz> no we don't
[14:26] <kamstrup> phew
[14:26] <kamstrup> aruiz: i love spanish then :-D
[14:26] <aruiz> hah
[14:26] <aruiz> how come?
[14:26] <kamstrup> aruiz: ^^ my discussion woith didrocks
[14:26] <kamstrup> aruiz: In french ppl expect the query "argent" to match "d'argent"
[14:27] <didrocks> kamstrup: so, you mean, you don't like language with ' ? ;=
[14:27] <jcastro> didrocks: njpatel: also have a new person submit code if you guys wanna look at that
[14:27] <kamstrup> didrocks: hehe almost
[14:27] <aruiz> kamstrup, french is weird
[14:27] <kamstrup> didrocks, aruiz: the danger here may be English where they use apostrophes in odd places
[14:28] <didrocks> kamstrup: :p so l' is just like "le" (==the)  but there is a vowel starting the word after it ;)
[14:28] <didrocks> same for d' -> de, and so on…
[14:28] <kamstrup> didrocks: yeah, I have some very bassic French knowledge
[14:29] <kamstrup> didrocks: afaics French won't break under my rule, but maybe other languages
[14:29] <kamstrup> Any Dutch speakers here?
[14:30] <didrocks> heh, kamstrup is looking for people ;)
[14:31] <kamstrup> mhr3: ! so you speak Czech and Slovak
[14:32] <kamstrup> mhr3: can you look at my comment #1 on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/746450 and tell me if that'll break some apostrophe usage in any of those languages?
[14:33] <JanC> kamstrup: I speak dutch
[14:34] <kamstrup> JanC: My saviour!
[14:34] <kamstrup> JanC: any comment on the question I just asked mhr3 ^^?
[14:34] <kamstrup> (for Dutch of course :-D)
[14:35] <didrocks> "hunting citizen of the world"
[14:36] <didrocks> should blog about that :)
[14:43] <Kaleo> didrocks: I need your help :)
[14:43] <Kaleo> didrocks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/750058
[14:43] <Kaleo> didrocks: comment #1 indicates the fix is very very simple :)
[14:43] <didrocks> Kaleo: uno memento :)
[14:43] <Kaleo> didrocks: un ;)
[14:44] <Kaleo> didrocks: momento ;)
[14:44] <Kaleo> didrocks: whatever :)
[14:44] <Kaleo> didrocks: thans :)
[14:44] <Kaleo> thanks*
[14:46] <lamalex> didrocks, did you run your script?
[14:46] <didrocks> lamalex: yes
[14:46] <didrocks> Kaleo: ok, looking :)
[14:46] <lamalex> didrocks,  i really need it to run twice a day or something. it's really disheartening to have it skyrocket like it does when you run it less frequently
[14:46] <didrocks> lamalex: I have the usual list of "status to sync manually"
[14:46] <lamalex> and now i have a backlog of 170 bugs i have to try and burn through
[14:47] <didrocks> lamalex: I didn't run it yesterday because you didn't answer if it needs to be run or not
[14:47] <lamalex> didrocks, can i run it myself?
[14:47] <didrocks> the backlog wasn't 0 anyway
[14:47] <didrocks> lamalex: I prefer to target and that we put somewhere for automatic checking
[14:47] <didrocks> there is still some web errors I have to deal manually
[14:48] <didrocks> Kaleo: ok, I'll check with Laney, he's uploading and syncing it
[14:48] <didrocks> Kaleo: to not diverge from debian
[14:49] <JanC> kamstrup: currently the only possible issue I find in Dutch is things like "m'n" and "d'r", but I'm still thinking
[14:49] <Kaleo> didrocks: thanks a lot
[14:49] <Kaleo> didrocks: just for info, that bug breaks Unity 2D's dash
[14:50] <didrocks> breaks? how? :)
[14:50] <Kaleo> didrocks: the home page basically misses Banshee
[14:50] <kamstrup> JanC: in cases like that I guess we should just leave the word as is, right?
[14:50] <didrocks> kamstrup: oh yeah, when you parse this
[14:51] <kamstrup> we'll index both the original and the "reduced" form
[14:54] <JanC> kamstrup: yes, and/or index them as they should be written formally (those forms are not official spelling AFAIK)
[14:55] <kamstrup> JanC: ok so it's not two words joined into one like in french, but one word contracted?
[14:55] <JanC> these two are
[14:56] <kamstrup> ok...
[14:56] <JanC> kamstrup: one other thing is if you use a possesive 's at the end of a 1-letter name (but that's a very uncommon corner case of course)
[14:56] <kamstrup> JanC: you have one letter names in Dutch?!
[14:56] <JanC> like in English: "X's manpage"
[14:56] <didrocks> kamstrup: uploaded
[14:56] <kamstrup> ah like that
[14:56] <kamstrup> didrocks: ?
[14:56] <JanC> company names could be 1 letter in theory  ;)
[14:57] <didrocks> Kaleo: fixed
[14:57] <didrocks> kamstrup: really, weechat should have a way to configure stop on completion, sorry! :)
[14:57] <kamstrup> JanC: hmmm the one-letter names is a good point indeed
[14:57] <kamstrup> didrocks: is the prefix char ever a CAPITAL letter in French or is it always lowercase
[14:58] <didrocks> kamstrup: ahah, interesting question ;)
[14:58] <kamstrup> I guess one could start a sentence with D'Argent or something?
[14:58] <didrocks> yeah, even if it doesn't really make sense
[14:59] <didrocks> (I see that you match É <-> é, nice! Only good OS does that!)
[14:59]  * kamstrup was just hoping the rule could be lowercase_char prefix word --> word, but it appears not
[14:59] <JanC> I found some others in Dutch: A'pen, A'dam, R'dam are short for Antwerpen, Amsterdam and Rotterdam
[14:59] <ogra_> hmm, am i supposed to have a calendar in the datetime indicator ?
[14:59] <JanC> so again not 2 words
[14:59] <kamstrup> JanC: ah blast
[15:00] <didrocks> ogra_: if evolution is installed, yeah
[15:00] <ogra_> didrocks, and if evolution isnt installed (like on all arm images)
[15:00] <didrocks> ogra_: then, ask to klattimer and tedg ;) I think it's stolen from evo
[15:01] <ogra_> hrm, that sucks
[15:01] <ogra_> the applet had it even without evo installed
[15:01] <klattimer> ogra_: you can see the calendar without having evo installed anymore
[15:01] <kamstrup> didrocks: we do? :-) I was actually just wondering how exactly xapian performed trnaliteration
[15:01] <kamstrup> transliteration even
[15:01] <ogra_> klattimer, thats a massive regression
[15:01] <JanC> I would also suggest you check african languages, some of them have extensive use of apostrophes IIRC
[15:01] <didrocks> kamstrup: sshhhhhhhh, just tell "yeah, we took that into account ;)"
[15:03] <tedg> ogra_, There was a bug.
[15:03] <kamstrup> didrocks: Ah, i missed your accent on the E. I actually meant whether É <-> é <-> E <-> e was working. Which I expect it doesn't
[15:03] <tedg> ogra_, Where if you didn't have evo there was no calendar
[15:03] <tedg> ogra_, It's fixed in trunk
[15:04] <tedg> ogra_, You'll still have the calendar, just no events.
[15:04] <ogra_> tedg, ah, great, thats what i wanted
[15:04] <didrocks> kamstrup: tbh, you should match é, è, ê <-> e
[15:04] <Kaleo> didrocks: you rock!!
[15:04] <didrocks> kamstrup: most of softwares are doing that in search
[15:04] <ogra_> i dont care about the events but having *a* calendar to look up dates is really a core feature for me
[15:04] <kamstrup> didrocks: I know. But xapian is not really fitted to do so out of the box... Had we used Lucene otoh.... Sweet bliss :-)
[15:05] <didrocks> kamstrup: just something to take into consideration for the future if we can merge the result to widespread the request or whatever :)
[15:05] <ogra_> tedg, hmm, though looking at natty-changes it appears in the latest changelog, shouldnt i have it already ?
[15:05] <kamstrup> didrocks: transliteration is not a simple thing. Fx. in Danish we have å <--> aa
[15:05] <didrocks> kamstrup: or build that into xapian so that we can have that with USC
[15:06] <didrocks> kamstrup: who care about weird languages? :p
[15:06] <didrocks> oupsss ;)
[15:06]  * didrocks runs…
[15:06] <JanC> I think the Unicode standard has transliteration tables or something like that?
[15:06] <tedg> ogra_, Hmm, I don't think it's gotten to Natty yet...  kenvandine?
[15:06] <didrocks> JanC: oh really? that would be sweet to build that into Xapian
[15:06] <ogra_> * Uninstalling Evolution removes calendar from clock applet (LP: #691953)
[15:06] <ogra_> 0.2.1-0ubuntu1
[15:06] <didrocks> kamstrup: I think xapian has already some bugs in debian about those?
[15:07] <kamstrup> didrocks: very likely
[15:07] <ogra_> (which is also what i have installed)
[15:07] <kamstrup> JanC: I think you're right
[15:07] <lamalex> dbarth_, i remember seeing some discussion about this a while ago, but i don't remember what the resolution was. https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/744565
[15:07] <JanC> OTOH transliteration is language-dependent, so I'm not 100% sure  ☺
[15:09] <kamstrup> JanC: it is, but you can apply some almost-always correct rule for a big range of the "simple" cases
[15:09] <kamstrup> fx Lucene has ASCIIFoldingFilter
[15:09] <JanC> kamstrup: http://cldr.unicode.org/index/cldr-spec/transliteration-guidelines  ☺
[15:09] <kenvandine> tedg, ogra_: not yet... but i am hoping we'll do an upload today
[15:10] <ogra_> kenvandine, weird changelog entry then :)
[15:10] <JanC> http://cldr.unicode.org/ --> Unicode Common Locale Data Repository
[15:10] <kenvandine> which changelog?
[15:10] <ogra_> thanks for the info though, looking forward to it
[15:11] <kenvandine> maybe i didn't read far enough back... :)
[15:11]  * kenvandine is in a meeting atm
[15:11] <kamstrup> JanC: yeah, and libicu has pretty comprehensive support for it as well
[15:11] <ogra_> kenvandine, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2011-March/010417.html
[15:12] <ogra_> kenvandine,  * Uninstalling Evolution removes calendar from clock applet (LP: #691953)
[15:12] <kenvandine> hummm
[15:13] <kenvandine> then it was in the upload, although i didn't test that specifically myself
[15:16] <kenvandine> ogra_, tedg: perhaps that was merged after you rolled the tarball?
[15:17] <tedg> kenvandine, ogra_, one was that it didn't work.  The new one is that it doesn't work at startup.  So if you had evolution and then removed it, we're still good.  Now, with the next release you could have never had Evolution and be okay.
[15:17] <tedg> kenvandine, ogra_, basically teh first fix was only half way.
[15:17] <ogra_> ah, perfect
[15:17] <kenvandine> ok
[15:17] <ogra_> i'm on armel here, and all our images fall into the last category
[15:18] <tedg> ogra_, You guys should fix that ;-)
[15:18] <ogra_> (we just install a mime handler for desktop-webmail on arm images)
[15:19] <ogra_> if evo learns to run in 512M without tearing down firefox at the same time we might consider fixing it
[15:19] <ogra_> ;)
[15:19] <tedg> ogra_, My phone now has 1GB of RAM... think bigger!
[15:19] <ogra_> we'll get there :)
[15:20] <ogra_> currently our low end is 512M, our average platform is 1G though
[15:20] <tedg> Okay, I'll revise: think average!  ;-)
[15:21] <ogra_> lol
[15:25] <JanC> Evolution should be split up into separate applications, that would be a start...
[15:49] <\sh> can someone explain how to get the old "Places -> Bookmarks" back to action with Unity ? Or is there a new way to add e.g. Network SSH Server Bookmarks somehow to the launcher?
[15:54] <\sh> didrocks: bug #621884 reappeared in 3.8.2-0ubuntu1
[15:55] <didrocks> \sh: this is for kamstrup :)
[15:56] <\sh> didrocks: should I set it to new or incomplete for the three projects/packages?
[15:57] <didrocks> \sh: wait for kamstrup first, he'll debug it
[15:57] <\sh> k
[15:59] <\sh> btw...good work on unity..dist-upgraded my main workstation today, no breaks even dual window setup is working...the only glitch is how to disable the second panel on the second display...or at least autohide it or let the window (in this case rdesktop) overlap the panel
[16:00] <didrocks> nice to know! ;) yeah, that happens
[16:06] <lamalex> om26er, cdbs, there are an assload of new unity bugs- what are you guys currently working on?
[16:07] <om26er> lamalex, incompletes
[16:08] <om26er> i looked into the NEW queue a few hours ago, the incompletes(with response) queue is nearly at end so will start on NEW after that, lamalex
[16:09] <lamalex> oh awesome!!
[16:09] <lamalex> you rule!
[16:14] <jcastro> you know what jason noticed on the compiz bugs
[16:14] <jcastro> people were out of date
[16:14] <jcastro> and the system lets them report bugs anyway
[16:15] <jcastro> so they fixed a ton of  crashers with 3.8.2
[16:15] <jcastro> and then over the weekend got a bunch of  dupes for bugs that were fixed already
[16:16] <jcastro> it would be cool if apport could say "ok so your unity crashed but you're behind, please update and then holla at me if it crashes" kind of thing
[16:16] <kenvandine> jcastro, i thought it did
[16:17] <jcastro> are we sure if it does or not?
[16:17] <jcastro> hmm, UDS question I guess
[16:18] <\sh> jcastro: http://www.piware.de/2011/03/new-apport-feature-custom-bug-duplicate-identification/
[16:18] <om26er> jcastro, the same seems to be happening for nux crashers
[16:19] <om26er> crashes fixed in nux 0.9.38 and people are still reporting them for 0.9.36
[16:20] <jcastro> right
[16:20] <jcastro> so basically, those just tie you guys up with junk
[16:26] <om26er> didrocks, it seems unity --reset is broken(?) on two different machines I have seen unity --reset disabled unity plugin and returned only the wallpaper
[16:27] <mhr3> kamstrup, no worries there are no apostrophes in czech nor slovak :)
[16:27] <didrocks> om26er: oh really? I'll give it a try, if you relaunch compiz then, what happens?
[16:29] <om26er> didrocks, compiz runs but not unity, have to re-enable the plugin in ccsm
[16:29] <om26er> this happens in 'Desktop' session
[16:30] <didrocks> om26er: "Desktop" as Ubuntu session, the one which runs unity, right?
[16:30] <om26er> yes
[16:33] <didrocks> that's really weird, I'll give it a try
[16:33] <didrocks> but that shouldn't change
[16:45] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i figured out that startup problem with the gwibber lens
[16:46] <kenvandine> if it blew up trying to get a connect to gwibber over dbus, it never setup the sections model completely
[16:46] <kenvandine> or it did but whatever on the other end in unity didn't get the changes...
[16:47] <kenvandine> kamstrup, so it only broke if you tried to open the lens before the gwibber-service was running
[16:47] <kenvandine> i added a bunch of error handling code and fixed all that up
[16:49] <kamstrup> kenvandine: haha, nice detective work :-)
[17:26] <jcastro> didrocks: did we ever hook up installing ccsm to about:config?
[18:55] <cdbs> lamalex: hey there! I am actually working on fixing bugs today, will be back to triaging tomorrow
[18:55] <lamalex> ok
[19:04] <zniavre> good evening
[19:04] <zniavre> how to clean the alt+f2 history please ?
[19:08] <fta> dbarth_, yt?
[19:09] <didrocks> zniavre: we use the same than gnome-panel, it's a gconf key (so with gconf-editor): /apps/gnome-settings/gnome-panel/history-gnome-run
[19:13] <lamalex> cdbs, what are you working on fixing?
[19:26] <om26er> lamalex, unity's NEW queue have been touched but tomorrow i'll try to tackle most of it.
[19:26] <zniavre> didrocks,  thank you (i did not know the trick for gnome-panel)
[19:27] <lamalex> om26er, yeah  im going to keep working on new for the rest of today
[19:27] <lamalex> thanks for rocking SO hard om26er
[19:28] <om26er> lamalex, so i'd be going to bed now ;)
[19:28] <om26er> thank you lamalex
[19:29] <lamalex> goodnight
[19:56] <cdbs> lamalex: There was 1 bug in unity-place-applications about apt: urls, working on it right now
[19:56] <cdbs> lamalex: as well as:
[19:56] <cdbs> bug #741699
[19:57] <cdbs> lamalex: tomorrow I'll work fully on the new queue, as well as I'll try tackling 20-30 bugs by today night itself
[20:56] <cdbs> jaytaoko: Hi, could you help me in fixing a bug? Looks like nux' Geometry structure isn't well-documented, and I am unable to get whether nux::BaseWindow's OnMouseDownOutsideOfView gives X and Y values offset from the start of the screen or offset from the beginning of the BaseWindow itself
[20:57] <cdbs> I am trying to fix bug #741699
[21:08] <jaytaoko> cdbs: hello
[21:08] <cdbs> hi jaytaoko
[21:09] <cdbs> jaytaoko: I just want to know whether the X and Y values provided by OnMouseDownOutsideOfView are offset from the beginning of screen or from beginning of BaseWindow itself
[21:09] <cdbs> I got lost in the Nux source code while searching and the docs aren't helpful
[21:09] <jaytaoko> cdbs: let me check that for you...
[21:09] <cdbs> thanks
[21:15] <jaytaoko> cdbs: if signal OnMouseDownOutsideOfView is emitted from the an area inside a BaseWindow, then  (X,Y) correspond to the position of the mouse inside the BaseWindow
[21:15] <cdbs> jaytaoko: but,, if its outside?
[21:15] <cdbs> jaytaoko: let me explain the scenario
[21:15] <cdbs> jaytaoko: Here I am dealing with the Dash
[21:16] <cdbs> jaytaoko: I want to detect in the  OnMouseDownOutsideOfView whether the click area is inside the Launcher or not. The BaseWindow here is the Dash
[21:17] <cdbs> The launcher is behind the dash in such a case
[21:17] <cdbs> and this doesn't seem architecturally possible with nux
[21:18] <jaytaoko> cdbs: in the case of the Dash (which is a BaseWindow), the (X, Y) correspond to the position on the screen
[21:18] <cdbs> jaytaoko: okay, then. But with that respect I don't understand what the last 2 arguments mean in this contructor:
[21:18] <cdbs> nux::Geometry geo (_monitor_rect.x, _monitor_rect.y, _launcher_size, PANEL_HEIGHT)
[21:18] <cdbs> again not explained in the docs at all
[21:19] <cdbs> looks like the Geometry class isn't in the docs
[21:19] <jaytaoko> cdbs: so if you receive a signal OnMouseDownOutsideOfView from the Dash BaseWindow, (X, Y) are relative to the top left corner of the screen
[21:19] <jaytaoko> cdbs: the Geometry class is a typedef of the Rect class
[21:20] <jaytaoko> cdbs: the last 2 arguments are the width and height of the rectangle
[21:21] <jaytaoko> cdbs: check this file in NuxCore\Rect.h
[21:21] <cdbs> :O
[21:21] <cdbs> jaytaoko: ah thanks, now I get it completely
[21:21] <cdbs> thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks
[21:21] <jaytaoko> cdbs: no problem, sorry about the confusion
[21:21] <cdbs> jaytaoko: no probs, I know writing docs is a boring job ;)
[21:21] <jaytaoko> cdbs: I am rewriting some docs that will be made available shortly
[21:42] <coz_>  good day to all
[22:45] <didrocks> jono: re your post yesterday: when did I give you my photo? :-)
[22:45] <jono> didrocks, LOL!
[22:45] <jono> :-)
[22:45] <didrocks> :-)