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txwikingerI thought I can choose to use lvm during the installation. Was that dropped for natty, or does that only work on the alternative disks?00:41
nixternalhttp://main.diabetes.org/site/TR/TourdeCure/ChicagoNorthernILArea?px=5915330&pg=personal&fr_id=7587   -- come on geeks, donate to the fight! don't let broke cyclists show up the geeks :p  come on kubuntu peeps!!! \o/02:10
valoriedone02:16
valorieoff to the library02:16
valoriehigh-fives to you for riding, nixternal!02:16
nixternaloh rock on, thanks valorie!02:20
nixternali figure since i sit in my chair all day, i should be able to sit on a bike seat for 6 hours to do 100 miles02:24
c2tarunon this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging#previewI have to pick the packages with --- in front of them? right?02:28
c2tarunvalorie: ping can you please help me with this prob :/ ^^02:30
c2tarunRiddell: ping02:37
c2tarunkdeedu uploaded.02:37
c2tarunin ppa02:37
valoriehi c2tarun02:42
c2tarunhi valorie :)02:42
c2taruncan you please help me with that prob, I forgot actually which one to take. I think blank ones.02:43
valoriec2tarun: if it's about gsoc, let's do the conversation in #kde-soc, ok?02:43
valorieunless someone in here is mentoring......02:44
* valorie listens and watches......02:44
valoriewe still need mentors!02:44
c2tarunvalorie: nope :( I asked about GSoC and a mentor rejected, so right now its about ninja work :/02:44
valorieboo02:44
valoriethat sucks02:44
valoriedon't forget about Season of KDE -- you get a T-shirt02:45
c2tarunI ??02:45
valorieyes, if you were interested in GSoC, you may also be interested in SoK02:46
valoriebut there is no money with it02:46
valoriejust prestige and a T02:46
valorie:-)02:46
valorieand a certificate02:46
c2tarunI dont want any money :)02:47
c2tarun!SoK02:48
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about SoK02:48
c2tarungreat, where can I get more info about SoK?02:48
c2tarunvalorie: ^02:51
* c2tarun taking oxygen-icons02:51
valoriesec02:53
c2tarunsure02:53
valoriehttp://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Summer_of_Code02:54
valoriedoesn't look like we have 2011 up yet02:54
valoriebut it will be up soon02:54
c2tarunwell its good that I am not late into this :)02:57
valoriewhat year are you in university, c2tarun?02:58
c2tarunvalorie: its final :/02:58
valorieah, boo02:58
valorietoo bad you didn't hear about it earlier02:59
c2tarunvalorie: actually I didnt hear about linux even :( I started using it in begining of my final year'03:01
valoriewow, you are a very fast learner03:02
valoriewhat did you spend all your energy on before linux ?03:03
c2tarunvalorie: to be honest, roaming around, oogling on gals :) hanging out with frnds :)03:08
valoriehaha03:09
c2tarun :D03:09
valoriewell, I'm glad we caught your eye03:09
valorieenjoying college life, what a concept!03:09
valorie:-)03:09
c2tarunreally I enjoyed a lot :P a LOT :-)03:10
valoriethat's excellent, really03:11
valoriefinding a balance; that's what it is all about03:11
valoriealso, finding your passion, and going for it03:11
c2tarunyup :) I balanced it now, and I started getting into linux after placement :) exactly after 18 JAN 201103:12
valoriethat's great03:13
valoriewell, back to work for me....03:13
c2tarunsure :)03:13
c2tarun!find mediasource.h03:18
ubottuFile mediasource.h found in libphonon-dev, libqtscript4-doc, python-qt4-doc, qt4-doc-html03:18
c2tarunkdeedu failed, mrl.h is missing http://paste.kde.org/8945/    I found that this files comes with kvirc-data but I dont think its in build-depends, should I add it to build-depends?03:22
ScottKNo.03:28
ScottKLooks like a phonon issue.03:29
ScottKapachelogger: /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon/../../phonon/mediasource.h:29:17: fatal error: mrl.h: No such file or directory03:29
c2tarunScottK: how come it build successfully on my system? 03:33
ScottKDifferent version of phonon used in the build maybe?03:34
c2tarunScottK: version in repo is better than the one required.03:34
ScottKSo it may have changed.03:35
c2tarunhmm....03:35
c2tarunScottK: libphonon-dev (>= 4:4.7.0really4.4.2) this is in control file, if newer version is not working should we change it to libphonon-dev (4:4.7.0really4.4.2) will it work?03:36
ScottKNo.03:36
ScottKWe need to fix the phonon problem.03:36
ScottKIn fact, mrl.h doesn't exist in the archive.03:37
ScottKThat's why I pinged apachelogger.  He's an upstream phonon developer, so he'll know what to do.03:37
c2tarunScottK: how did you check in archive?03:37
ScottKpackages.ubuntu.com03:37
c2tarunScottK: ok, one more thing ubottu found that mrl.h is in kvirc-data03:38
ScottKOne of the options there let's you search for specific files and what package they are in.03:38
ScottKNo.  It's not.03:38
c2tarun!find mrl.h03:38
ubottuFile mrl.h found in kvirc-data03:38
c2tarunsee..03:38
ScottKI believe it said that.03:38
ScottKI just don't think it's correct.03:38
c2tarunthen what do you mean ? I am not getting :/03:38
valorieScottK dares to say that ubottu isn't perfect!03:39
ScottKWhat found was /usr/share/kvirc/4.1/help/en/fnc_mediaplayer.mrl.html03:39
ScottKThat matches mrl.h.03:39
c2tarunohhh....03:40
ScottKvalorie: The bot answers the question it is asked.03:40
valorieindeed03:40
valoriejust like computers do what you tell them to03:40
valorienot necessarily what you want them to03:40
c2tarunthen I fear mrl.h isn't in any pacakges (according to packages.ubuntu.com) lets wait for apachelogger03:40
ScottKYep.03:42
ScottKI'd move on to another package.03:42
ScottKGenerally since this is a point release things like changing dependencies shouldn't be needed.03:42
c2tarunScottK: one more help please, in this list https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging#previewI have to take the pacakges which dont have --- in front of them?03:44
ScottKNot all those need doing.03:46
ScottKDid you finish oxygen-icons?03:46
c2tarunScottK: yup its into ppa now, may be building or in queue03:46
ScottKOK.03:47
ScottKIt looks to me like all the packages that are part of KDE SC 4.6.2 have a name by them then.03:48
c2tarunScottK: yup :/03:49
c2tarunScottK: what about maverick list? can I take them? or we can simply get them from natty?04:03
ScottKYou should update the packaging from the existing Maverick packages.  They aren't all the same as in Natty.04:03
c2tarunok04:03
c2tarunI have an natty ec2, creating a maverick pbuilder and building into it is fine? isnt it?04:04
ScottKYes.04:05
* c2tarun taking akonadi for maverick.04:06
c2tarunversion in natty is akonadi-1.5.1 what version should be for maverick?04:13
c2tarunScottK: ^^04:14
ScottKYou shouldn't need to touch akonadi.04:14
c2tarunoops.... :( can I ask why?04:15
c2tarunScottK: ^04:16
ScottKYes.04:16
c2tarunScottK: why :)04:17
ScottKThe PPA should already have 4.6.1 and so whatever version of akonadi is needed, it should arleady have.04:17
c2tarunScottK: well if you are referring to ninjas ppa then it has 1.5.0-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1  version and still I guess version 1.5.1 is there.04:19
c2tarunsomewhere around04:19
c2tarunRiddell: please dont switch of ec2, I'll be back in a while04:21
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debfxyofel_: what's the reason for "Disable libqwt-ruby1.8 and qwt files in libqt4-ruby1.8.examples" (kdebindings)?09:57
c2tarunRiddell: ping10:00
c2tarunapachelogger: ping10:00
Riddellhello c2tarun 10:00
debfxdpm: hi, could you have a look at bug #74937910:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 749379 in Ubuntu Translations ""Desktop" string is not translated in KDE" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74937910:00
debfxI have no idea how to debug this10:01
c2tarunhi Riddell :) I packed two packages, but now I dont think any packages left for natty. should I go for maverick packages?10:01
Riddellc2tarun: yes can do10:02
Riddellc2tarun: do you know how?10:03
* apachelogger should drink less10:04
c2tarunRiddell: what should be the version number for that? like if I build the source code of a oxygen-icons-4.6.2 what version number should I include?10:04
c2tarunRiddell: the versions packed for natty I'll take their source code and try to build it on maverick pbuilder. Will it do?10:06
Riddellc2tarun: version number should be 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa110:08
c2tarunRiddell: what should be the changelog entry? "Maverick ppa version"10:09
Riddellyes10:09
apacheloggerRiddell: Your membership in kubuntu-ppa is about to expire10:10
bambeeCan I remove phonon from kubuntu-ninjas/ppa  ? (it has been moved into archives)10:10
* apachelogger is getting annoyed ... apparently it is a good idea to send such mail every 24 hours and multiple times within the last 2410:10
bambee(also it's badly versionned)10:11
Riddellbambee: yes10:12
bambeeok10:12
Riddellwell10:13
Riddellwhat's the version?10:13
c2tarunRiddell: is this changelog entry correct or should I remove the natty one? http://paste.ubuntu.com/589600/10:16
* jussi waves 10:24
dpmhi debfx, I've added a comment to the bug, but I'm also puzzled as to why plain gettext does not load the translation10:27
debfxdpm: is there a way to list all translated string from a gettext domain?10:29
bambeeDoes someone find phonon-4:4.7.0really4.5.0-0ubuntu3 using apt-cache showpkg ? (pushished 13 hours ago into main archives)10:30
dpmdebfx, not that I know of, apart from using msgfmt on the .mo file. That should list all the strings in there, which might be in fact what you want, now that I think of it10:32
debfxbambee: it's held in the binary NEW queue10:32
bambeeohhh10:32
debfxRiddell: ^10:32
apacheloggerNightrose: are there any phonon projects yet?10:34
debfxdpm: isn't msgfmt for creating .mo files?10:35
Nightroseapachelogger: i'll take a look - sec10:35
dpmdebfx, oh, sorry, I meant msgunfmt10:35
* apachelogger always opens mo files in okteta ^^10:36
Nightroseapachelogger: one10:38
* Riddell accepts libphonon4-designer10:38
apacheloggerNightrose: about what?10:38
Nightrosesupport for media encoding10:39
apacheloggerNightrose: from a "Pavel"?10:39
Nightroseno10:39
apacheloggercurious10:40
apacheloggeroh wellz10:40
apacheloggerNightrose: thanks :)10:40
* apachelogger takes a note that one must do more advertising of cool projects10:40
apacheloggercome to think of it, phonon on android was not even on the ideas page *shrug*10:40
apacheloggerthat would be a jolly interesting project though10:41
apacheloggerc2tarun: wanna bring phonon to android?10:41
apacheloggerNightrose: did you see my idea on kde-devel?10:41
apacheloggerno one responded yet :(10:41
c2tarunapachelogger: sure :) but I have no idea what does it mean?10:41
apachelogger<-- sad logger10:41
Nightroseyes - saw it 10:42
Nightrosejust submit it10:42
Nightrose;-)10:42
* jussi huggles apachelogger10:42
apacheloggerNightrose: yeah, just thinking ... not getting replies in one day makes you wonder about the interest of people in giving users a good documentation experience10:42
* apachelogger could totally imagine KHelpCenter to be your one stop for getting help of any sort, though that might be a bit bloated then ^^10:43
valorieoh, behind on email10:44
valorieI'll comment10:44
c2tarunapachelogger: ping10:45
debfxdpm: ok, so the .mo file definitely contains the translated strings10:46
c2tarunapachelogger: you looked at the error in build of kdeedu? its due to some phonon issue.10:47
debfxdpm: do you know if there is a verbose lookup that at least tells me if it can't find the translation10:47
dpmdebfx, unfortunately, I don't know of any verbose lookup :(10:49
apacheloggerc2tarun: yeah10:51
apacheloggerblame the new queue10:51
apacheloggera fixed phonon is on the way10:51
apacheloggerpossibly Riddell already accepted it10:52
c2tarunapachelogger: ok :) and what about brining phonon to android?10:52
apacheloggerwell10:52
c2tarunapachelogger: was that msg for me?10:52
apacheloggerqt becoming available on android means we can have phonon become available on android10:52
apacheloggerwhich would require getting phonon to build against the andriod toolchain (along with requirements ... on that note one might consider reducing the dependencies, as right now phonon depends on automoc but surely could live without it)10:53
apacheloggernext step would probably be to get it actually spit out audio using the vlc backend, seeing as libvlc should be working on android that is an easy target10:54
c2tarunapachelogger: I'll love to bring it to android, but I need some help :( if you could explain me or if there is any manual that can help me :/10:54
apacheloggeronce that is also achieved creating an android backend, which is really the interesting part here, as you would have to glue c++ to the java based multimedia api of android10:55
apacheloggerc2tarun: for which part would there be a manual? :P10:56
c2tarunapachelogger: like info about android toolchain, spit out audio using vlc backend .....10:57
apacheloggerformer is documented all over the place10:57
apacheloggerlatter requires free thinking and with any luck works right away anyway10:57
c2tarunapachelogger: ok :) I'll start, I'll read about android toolchain first :)10:58
apacheloggerc2tarun: I was thinking about making it a gsoc project :P10:58
c2tarunapachelogger: and you want me to join it? :)10:58
apacheloggerI want you to propose it :P10:58
valoriewho would mentor for it, apachelogger?10:58
valorieScottK?10:59
apacheloggervalorie: ScottKis working on phonon now? ^^10:59
valorieI was thinking of the ARM part10:59
c2tarunapachelogger: sure :) I'll propose it and I would love to do it :) (even without any money )10:59
apacheloggervalorie: what arm part?11:00
apacheloggerthe hand?11:00
* apachelogger giggles away11:00
c2tarunapachelogger: ok, should I propose it?11:02
valorieoh my, were you drinking champagne?11:03
valoriec2tarun: if you want to have fun, fall in with apachelogger's schemes, for sure11:03
apacheloggerc2tarun: please do11:03
apacheloggervalorie: no, wine11:03
valoriewine with giggle-bubbles, I think11:04
valorielol11:04
c2tarunvalorie: I'll propose it :) and surely stick with it11:05
valorie\o/11:06
apacheloggervalorie: so what is with the arm?11:06
valoriethat's what adroid is, right?11:07
valorieandroid11:07
valoriegeez, I don't even know how to get my phone to work11:07
apacheloggerandroid is just software and actually also runs on regular intel cpus :P11:07
valorieok11:09
valoriebut mine makes a thunder sound when it starts up!11:09
valoriespecial11:09
valoriethis music isn't making me smarter11:10
* valorie is listening to Nellie the Nudist Queen by Ross & Sargent on Flashbacks, Volume 2: Crazy & Obscure: Novelty Songs 1914-1946 [Amarok]11:10
valorieharald, I'm not seeing your email11:12
apacheloggerme neither11:12
apacheloggerhttp://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=130191960215339&w=211:13
valoriethat could be why you didn't get replies11:13
valorieoh, because I'm not on the kde-devel list11:13
valoriehuh11:13
valoriesucks that there was no feedback11:14
valorieanybody I should poke?11:15
valorieNightrose said I could poke mentors and would-be mentors11:15
valorieso I have been11:15
valorie:-)11:15
valorieugh, brain is dead11:17
valorietime for bed11:17
valorieniters11:17
apacheloggernini valorie11:18
debfxdpm: the problem has to do with the message context11:22
debfxdpm: I think the lookup fails if the message has multiple contexts like this: msgctxt "Name|plasma containment"11:22
debfxdoes the pipe even mean "or" there?11:23
Riddelldebfx: it's just a string, no "or" operators in it11:27
debfxRiddell: ah, so the problem is that we don't know about the additional context when looking up the string11:35
Riddelldebfx: yes if there's a msgctxt context it needs to be given exactly to get the translation I believe11:39
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yofeldebfx: IIRC libqwt-ruby went missing at some point so the packages would've been empty11:43
debfxRiddell: yeah and the only indication of the context is a comment in the desktop file above the key11:45
jussido we have Qt 4.7.1 in a ppa somewhere?  and will it break stuff if I install it on maverick?11:46
debfxopensuse just does a contextless lookup11:47
yofeljussi: I don't think so, it's either 4.7.0 in mav or 4.7.2 in natty11:49
jussiyofel: ok, is there a backport of 4.7.2? 11:49
yofelnot in our PPAs at least11:50
jussiok, Ill try ugrading to natty then (failed yesterdaY)11:51
yofelI don't have any held packages here so it should work11:51
c2tarunapachelogger: what should I keep the project title? "Importing phonon to android"11:51
jussiyofel: sadly its still broken :(11:55
yofelhm..11:55
jussiAn unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:11:56
jussiE:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.11:56
jussiis there anyway to debug that?  findout what packages? 11:56
yofelthere should be logs somewhere, /var/log/update-manager maybe, can't check here since I don't upgrade like that11:57
jussiits in /var/log/dist-upgrade and the date12:00
debfxapachelogger: any objections against using a contextless lookup for desktop file translations?12:00
c2tarunapachelogger: I need little more detail about the project :( meanwhile I am reading about the android toolchain, if you come around just ping me :)12:00
jussiyofel: http://pastebin.com/T6aku1Ce12:02
yofelseems it's failing to calculate the X upgrades12:05
apacheloggerdebfx: why?12:05
apacheloggercontext is important12:05
yofeljussi: ask in #ubuntu+1 maybe, I can't help there12:05
debfxapachelogger: there is no easy way to parse the context string12:05
apacheloggerI do not quite compute12:06
apacheloggerwhat do you mean by parsing?12:06
debfxapachelogger: also the lookup is restricted to one desktop_* domain so I expect not much ambiguity12:07
debfxapachelogger: for example http://paste.kde.org/8960/12:07
debfxwe need to parse the # ctxt: string12:08
apacheloggernotificiation thingies are translated as desktop files fi I am not mistaken12:08
apacheloggerand those can have many many entries12:08
apacheloggerdebfx: where do we need to parse that?12:08
apacheloggeror when12:08
debfxin the KDesktopFile ctor12:09
apacheloggerand from where do we call that?12:10
* apachelogger makes this particular conversation a point for why context is important12:10
debfxwhen looking up the translation we need to know the context string12:11
debfxso we need to parse the ctxt comment before that12:11
apacheloggerthat does not really answer the question12:12
apacheloggerbesides, doesnt kdesktopfile only have file based ctors?12:12
apacheloggerwould be rather awkward if one had to parse desktop files even though there is a class for that :)12:13
debfxapachelogger: yes, the ctors get the filename12:15
apacheloggerso the fact remains12:15
apacheloggerI do not compute the problem12:15
debfxin this case the context string for the Name key is "Name|plasma containment"12:16
debfxcurrently we do lookup for the context "Name" which fails because it doesn't exist12:16
* apachelogger puts pieces together to form a problem description12:18
apacheloggerso12:19
apacheloggerdebfx: this is about ou rkdesktopfile patch not being able to handle enhanced contextness?12:20
debfxso if we want to do a proper contextual lookup we need to parse that comment in the desktop file to construct the context string12:20
apacheloggeras IIRC we hardcode the context12:20
apacheloggerdebfx: how hard can it be? open file, regext for # ctxt:12:20
apacheloggerother option would be to first do a context lookup and then one without if the former did come back empty12:22
apacheloggerwhich reminds me that we need to do that anyway as some tool involved with creation of desktop file pos in pyth0rn is incapable of adding a context12:23
apacheloggerultimately however we would not need to patch kdesktopfile so intrusively12:23
apachelogger...12:23
apacheloggerScottK always loves that part12:23
debfxyes, but how do you detect if the lookup failed?12:24
apacheloggerdebfx: empty string12:24
apacheloggeroh, actually that is bogus12:24
apacheloggersurely there is a way12:25
apacheloggeror you could just remove the patch and switch to using something that actually works12:25
apacheloggerupstream is supreme!12:25
bambeew00t... kdebindings built fine for amd64, however python-kde4-dev-4:4.6.2-0ubuntu1~ppa1 does not exist (python-kde4 does)12:36
bambeeI mean it built fine and there is a missing package o_O12:37
Riddellbambee: python-kde4-dev is arch all so it only builds on i38612:37
bambeeohh12:37
bambeeok12:37
RiddellI'm building the new kdebindings tar here on i38612:38
bambeeok12:38
Riddellalso building new kdegraphics and kdebase-workspace for natty12:38
jussiyofel: ahh, Im guessing its because I had to use x from some ppa, as intel was borked in mav :(12:45
* jussi install ppa-purge12:46
jussi<3 ppa-purge12:49
steveireRiddell: My kdepim4.4 patch also fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/75036113:03
ubottuUbuntu bug 750361 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "KWallet 4.6 and KDEPIM 4.4 don't integrate well" [Undecided,New]13:03
Riddellsteveire: which patch?13:03
steveireThe problem was that running a subevent loop causes dbus confusion13:03
steveirehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/75036113:03
steveirehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/75116713:04
ubottuUbuntu bug 751167 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "Conditional synchonous Akonadi starting in KDEPIM" [Undecided,New]13:04
Riddellooh lovely13:05
Riddellsteveire: is your notify instead of ugly dialogue change available for 4.4?  it would solve the live CD issue13:06
steveireRiddell: It could be backported to 4.4 I'm sure, yes13:07
Riddellsteveire: also will akonadi 1.5.2 be out this week?13:07
steveireProbably13:07
Riddellhmm, that doesn't sound like something we should rely on, we freeze on Monday13:08
steveirevolker is doing the release now13:09
Riddellgood old volker :)13:10
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steveireCherry picked the notification patch. building now13:20
steveireRiddell: I pushed it to the 4.4 branch. of kdepim. Is that a convenient place for you to get it from?13:35
Riddellsteveire: if my git skills are elite enough :)13:37
RiddellI'll take a look shortly13:37
debfxapachelogger: please tell me if you find a way to check if the lookup failed13:49
jussiyofel: update, I purged the X ppa I was using (glasen), and that fixed it. Thank you for investigating for me.13:53
yofelyw13:53
jussiSo, this is not going to overly break natty, but I got this: 14:30
jussihttp://paste.ubuntu.com/589679/14:30
Riddellthere was a multiarch issue with nspluginviewer recently14:32
c2tarunRiddell: I uploaded 2 maverick-ppa versions to kubuntu-ninja/ppa can you please take a look whether they are fine?14:37
Riddellc2tarun: looks good14:56
c2tarunRiddell: if a package has version number package-4.6.1-0ubuntu2 then I should change it to package-4.6.1-0ubuntu2~maverick1~ppa1?14:57
c2tarunor package-4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa114:57
Riddellpackage-4.6.1-0ubuntu2~maverick1~ppa1?14:58
Riddellbut we're packaging 4.6.2 so anything with 4.6.1 is wrong14:58
jussiyippee, my natty is borked :(15:01
c2tarunRiddell: actually I was in doubt with ubuntu2 part :) thanks 15:01
c2tarunRiddell: what was the ktown ppa for getting the tarballs :( I forgot it15:03
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c2taruncan anyone please help me by telling me the ftp link for ktown :( thanks15:10
Riddellc2tarun: ktown isn't a ppa, it's a server we have ssh access to15:11
Riddellftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org15:12
c2taruncan anyone please help me by telling me the ftp link for ktown :( thanks15:18
jussic2tarun: its not an ftp link, but an ssh link, as riddell said: [17:12:00] <Riddell> ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org (Im guessing sftp may work though)15:18
c2tarunjussi: ohh.... how can I see the folders there?15:19
c2tarunjussi: can I connect there by ssh?15:19
jussiyes!15:19
jussiand now we are quick again :D15:31
Riddellsteveire: which git commit is the one you did for your blog today?15:38
Riddellsteveire: the kmessagebox in kdepim-runtime is already disabled in 4.4.10, that must not be the problem dialogue I was wanting removed15:40
bambeeRiddell: what about obex-data-server 0.4.6 ? it has been released but nothing has changed (except the version and the changelog)15:43
Riddellbambee: yes would be good to get that in15:44
bambeeRiddell: even if nothing has changed ?15:44
Riddellbambee: yes, nicer to have a round version numbers, keeps things clearer for developers15:45
bambeeRiddell: okay :)15:45
bambeeso I add it to my todolist 15:45
Riddellgreat15:45
steveireRiddell: The code is copied actually15:50
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steveireOne copy is already commented out in 4.4.10, but I've just changed the other one15:50
steveireOne copy is in kdepim/nepomuk_email_feeder, the other is in kdepim/agents/nepomukfeeder or so15:52
steveireBoth of the patches I put in the 4.4 branch should be packages I think.15:52
steveiresorry, kdepim/runtime/agents/...15:55
Riddellsteveire: this is the synchronious startup issue? http://steveire.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/another-one-bytes-the-dust16:02
steveireYes16:03
Riddelljr@gallus:~/src/kdepim-runtime/orig/kdepim-runtime-4.4.10>grep "Nepomuk Indexing Disabled" * -r16:04
Riddellagents/nepomukfeeder/nepomukfeederagentbase.cpp:  //KMessageBox::error( 0, message, i18n( "Nepomuk Indexing Disabled" ), KMessageBox::Notify | KMessageBox::AllowLink );16:04
Riddellsteveire: definately commented out in the upstream kdepim-runtime-4.4.10 tar16:04
Riddellmost strange16:04
steveireHmmm...16:06
Riddellkdepim uploaded with asynchromous startup patch16:08
steveireIt seems the notification commented out patch is in svn, but not in git16:09
steveireand svn is where 4.4.10 came from...16:09
Riddelltwo revision control systems, now that's confusing16:09
steveireAgreed.16:09
steveireI'll figure that out. Probably we're supposed to use svn for 4.4, not git16:09
steveireBut that doesn't explain where the dialog comes from when I was using the package.16:10
steveireOr maybe I only saw the dialog when I was using 4.6... ?16:10
steveireThat would make sense actually16:10
Riddellthe dialogue we get on the live CD is the akonadi error dialogue, the one in http://steveire.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/another-one-bytes-the-dust with the nepomuk not running error in red16:11
Riddellwhich is fair enough since nepomuk isn't run on the live CD16:11
Riddellbut I haven't work out a way to either start nepomuk when kontact is started, or to stop it giving an error16:11
* apachelogger notes that this is completely worthless information unless one tries to do something that requires nepomuk16:12
steveireYes, but the dialog is actully reporting that akonadi failed to start because of a short synchronous timeout or so. On the live CD the dialog should not appear16:12
jussihttp://paste.ubuntu.com/589732/ :(16:12
steveireAkonadi will start successfully and not show the dialog even though nepomuk is not there16:12
Riddellsteveire: well on the live CD we set nepomuk not to start so arguably it should appear16:12
apacheloggersteveire: I thought krake fixed the timing issue proper?16:13
Riddellsteveire: oh so maybe it's the timer issue, in which case we can test tomorrow's daily CD16:13
steveireapachelogger: In 4.5, which didn't get released16:13
Riddellalong with the new akonadi with any luck16:13
* apachelogger found his approach of simply raising the timeout to 5 minutes was the best one :P16:13
steveireYep, lets test tomorrow. The new akonadi release is made afaik16:13
steveireI don't know if that ends with a link to a tarball in kde-packagers or whatever, but volker tells me it's done :)16:14
Riddellooh there it is http://download.akonadi-project.org/16:14
steveireHmm, downloads.grantlee.org doesn't work. Need to check that out...16:15
steveirehttp://www.grantlee.org/downloads/ does work. My subdomain is broken...16:15
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c2tarunRiddell: are kdelibs in ktown and on this link https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5ubuntu2 different package?16:20
Riddellc2tarun: yes, that's KDE 316:23
Riddellwe're doing KDE 4 which we call kde4libs16:23
c2tarunRiddell: so where can I get the appropriate debian folder to kdelibs-4.6.216:23
Riddellc2tarun: kubuntu-ninjas PPA16:24
Riddelland bzr16:24
c2tarunRiddell: I just checked the ppa those packages are alread in there but yofel didn't add his name on this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging :(16:26
c2tarunyofel: I just worked on something you already finished :(16:27
debfxRiddell: are you packaging akonadi?16:28
Riddellc2tarun: there's no kde4libs 4.6.2 in maverick in kubuntu-ninjas, only an old 4.6.116:28
Riddelldebfx: not yet, feel free to grab it16:28
debfxok, will do16:29
c2tarunRiddell: ohh... ya sorry :/ I didn't noticed, one more thing according to that dependency tree, should I pack kde4libs before kdepimlibs?16:29
Riddelldebfx: mark it on the wiki page16:29
Riddellc2tarun: yes16:30
c2tarunRiddell: and in ktown there is no tarball of name kde4libs there is just kdelibs-4.6.2 I guess both are same.16:30
Riddellc2tarun: we rename kdelibs to kde4libs16:30
c2tarunRiddell: ok, So i have to rename the tarball and name with version number in changelog. right?16:31
Riddellc2tarun: just start with getting the package from natty PPA, that way it has the right tar and version number already16:32
Riddellthen add the changelog for maverick and build16:32
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Riddellc2tarun: what ec2 machine are you using?  (I want to shut down the others I have running)16:36
c2tarunRiddell: ubuntu@ip-10-212-182-17816:37
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txwikingerRiddell: Since when does the Kubuntu installer haev no lvm option anymore?16:50
c2tarunI am trying to wget https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+files/kde4libs_4.6.2.orig.tar.bz2 but all I am getting is some 4kb file and not the exact 12 MB tarball, :( why so?16:56
Riddelltxwikinger: ubiquity has never had LVM options17:03
Riddellc2tarun: it's restricted, you can't just wget it17:03
Riddellyou can add the deb-src line to sources.list and apt-get source it17:03
shadeslayerapachelogger: poke ... 17:05
c2tarunRiddell: ok, after adding deb-src line and on updating I got this error W: GPG error: https://private-ppa.launchpad.net maverick Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B2C30B9A0945A8E217:05
c2tarunRiddell: and on apt-get source I got 4.6.117:05
c2tarun :/17:05
c2tarunRiddell: here is my source.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/589749/17:06
txwikingerRiddelll: only the alternate CD?17:16
Riddellltxwikinger: yes17:16
txwikingerAh ok.. that got me confused17:16
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c2tarunRiddelll: can you help me with adding deb-src :(17:16
txwikingerRiddelll: I installed natty from the daily build last night.. worked pretty good17:16
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Riddellltxwikinger: great17:16
Riddelllc2tarun: you already added it, just change it to natty17:16
c2tarun:/ I am an idot :(17:16
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c2tarunRiddelll: still getting same error :(17:19
Riddelllwhat error?17:19
txwikingerRiddelll: btw.. you are famous here... they called a road after you in hour from here ;)17:20
c2tarunRiddelll: http://paste.kde.org/8982/17:21
Riddellltxwikinger: wow, really?  I hope  it has a cycle lane, I'm not sure I'd approve of a road without a cycle lane17:21
shadeslayerc2tarun: looking17:21
Riddelllc2tarun: that's fine, ignore it17:22
txwikingerActually it has cycle lanes :D17:22
shadeslayerc2tarun: run apt-get update again i'd say17:22
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c2tarunshadeslayer: I already tried twice :(17:22
shadeslayerRiddell: need a hand?17:22
shadeslayerc2tarun: it's a private repo, so that's why the delay in publishing packages and hence mis matched file sizes17:22
Riddellshadeslayer: with 4.6.2?17:23
shadeslayeryep17:23
shadeslayeror is all the good stuff taken? :P17:23
Riddellshadeslayer: yes, needs testing on natty and packages building on maverick17:23
shadeslayeralright i can do the former17:23
c2tarunRiddell: I got the latest version on apt-get source :) thanks17:23
shadeslayer:O17:25
shadeslayeri'm getting 500 KBps17:25
* shadeslayer downloads update17:25
nixternalnice! my donation love for my big bike ride, the tour de cure, has come from Kubuntu, KDE, and Arch. Umm, where is Ubuntu? :D17:25
shadeslayers/update/updates17:25
shadeslayerKubuntu -> The K in Ubuntu :P17:25
nixternalno way, doesn't count!17:26
c2tarunneed help with this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/589772/  (I never looked at pbuilder error log :( )17:37
shadeslayermgraesslin: around?17:39
mgraesslinshadeslayer: yes17:39
Riddellc2tarun: your pbuilder needs kubuntu-ninjas added17:39
shadeslayermgraesslin: does kwin have a bug where resizing konsole makes artifacts pop up?17:40
shadeslayerand infact in trunk my KDE Freezes up17:40
shadeslayercan't find anything on bugzilla17:40
mgraesslinshadeslayer: no, I don't know anything about it. What driver?17:41
shadeslayermgraesslin: nvidia .. 270.30-0ubuntu317:42
mgraesslinhmm17:42
mgraesslinwe have some freezes with NVIDIA but not with konsole17:42
shadeslayerwell .. it happens when i resize the konsole window17:43
shadeslayereverything else just runs fine17:43
shadeslayer( happens even in KDE 4.6.1 )17:43
Riddellrbelem: is there any reference for these patches?  bugs or commits?17:45
shadeslayermgraesslin: yeah .. i had to reboot twice :S17:51
Riddellno more shipit http://blog.canonical.com/?p=55117:52
c2tarunRiddell: sorry :( but I failed to find how to add kubuntu-ninjas to pbuilder-dist :( can I get an ec2 for maverick please17:53
Riddellcan do17:54
c2tarunthanks :)17:55
Riddellc2tarun: ubuntu@ec2-184-73-68-120.compute-1.amazonaws.com17:57
c2tarunRiddell: I am getting permission denied17:58
Riddellc2tarun: try now17:59
c2tarungotcha :)18:00
Riddellanyone seen bug 744812 ?18:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 744812 in Ubuntu Font Family "Kubuntu hinting medium seems to break ubuntu-font appearance" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74481218:03
rbelemRiddell, yup, let me find the commit hash18:13
rbelemRiddell, bda3fc424059a201a20153dd00b85aa26d57de1b e033e10e179c25b0dbd9813083b442f210b1ff95 1481d1596bd2d2aea47bf52f5b6dcc82a02fb54918:18
c2tarunwell I need libsoprano-dev's latest version for packing kde4libs. this version is in natty but not in maverick. What should I do?18:21
Riddellc2tarun: it is in kubuntu-ninjas18:23
bambeeobex-data-server has been uploaded to revu18:25
c2tarunRiddell: how can we apt-get the source code from natty archive on a maverick machine?18:25
Riddellyou already did that, you add the deb-src line to sources.list18:26
c2tarunRiddell: yup, but I changed maverick to natty in last two lines and then pulled :/ and then I have to change it back.18:27
debfxapachelogger: it seems like a contextless lookup doesn't work if the message has a context18:42
debfxso we need to parse the context string from the kde .desktop files and need a way to see if the lookup failed for those translations that don't have a context18:44
yofelo/18:51
shadeslayerhey yofel18:52
aditirexanyone had a problem with not beeing able to mount /  at start ?19:07
shadeslayerhttp://i.imgur.com/SBu1z.png >> what my screen looks like right now19:14
yofelhm, I've seen that in the past, not recently though19:14
bambeeIs there something to do on upstream that could indirectly contribute to/help kubuntu ?19:14
shadeslayeryofel: i think my GPU blew out19:18
shadeslayeri see a X update tho19:19
yofelif a reboot doesn't fix it, your graphics memory might be fried19:19
shadeslayeryep think so19:19
shadeslayeryofel: i reboot -> it's fixed for a certain amount of time -> goes back to that again19:19
shadeslayeraltho now the artifacts are limited to the taskbar19:19
yofelthat could be an driver bug then too, although I'm no expert there19:20
shadeslayerlets see19:20
shadeslayeranother couple of minutes19:20
shadeslayeryofel: my ISP is giving me 20 times my speed right now :P19:21
yofelcool ^^19:21
shadeslayerlol... everything above the taskbar is fine, the taskbar looks like something chew through it19:22
apacheloggershadeslayer: you cause rejections in my inbox, how do you do that?19:29
shadeslayerapachelogger: i have no idea ... :D19:29
apacheloggerlibfunambol_9.0.2~r2511-0ubuntu0~natty1~ppa1_source.changes rejected 19:30
shadeslayerapachelogger: i uploaded a natty build of libfunambol yes19:30
shadeslayerapachelogger: i accidently put in the ppa at the end ....19:30
apacheloggerbut you haz no access 19:30
shadeslayerno .. my PPA19:30
shadeslayeridk why it sent a mail to you19:30
apacheloggeryou does not makes sense19:30
shadeslayernvm19:31
shadeslayerapachelogger: ignore19:31
apacheloggershadeslayer: easy to say for you...19:38
shadeslayer:P19:38
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DarkwingDuckjjesse: ping20:00
DarkwingDucknixternal: ping20:00
jjessepong20:07
Daskreechjjesse: ping20:07
DarkwingDuckjjesse: any/all of the docs you have worked on... can you upload and update this https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Natty as we are only  a couple days away from the freeze? I've already told the wife I'm taking time off of life to finish that what is not finished.20:10
DarkwingDuckSome of these may not have changed much if at all.20:11
DarkwingDuckBut, I'll be reviewing over the next couple days and I would rather all updates be uploaded so we all have a current snapshot.20:11
jjesseok20:11
DarkwingDuck:D20:12
DarkwingDuckThanks jjesse 20:12
* DarkwingDuck needs to build a better schedule for docs in +120:12
* apachelogger gets the feeling mgraesslin does not want to watch pron over the networx via network transparent display server 20:23
apacheloggerand yet it is such an important use case :S20:24
Riddellwell that wasn't good, X stopped taking mouse and keyboard input, had to reinstall beta 120:47
RiddellI'm now scared to dist-upgrade20:47
Riddellshadeslayer: it seems we have IgnoreExpirationDate set to true by default (in rekonq GUI that's "Treat all cookies as session cookies") and that's why it doesn't remember login20:56
Riddellbut I have no idea why it does that, it's not in kubuntu-default-settings and it's not the default in kdelibs20:58
shadeslayerRiddell: alright, looking :)21:25
shadeslayerRiddell: i think either the graphics stack is corrupted or my Laptop's going to die in a couple of weeks21:27
shadeslayeri hope it's the first21:27
shadeslayerkronos: you're up late21:28
kronosshadeslayer, hey21:28
shadeslayerssup? :)21:29
kronosshadeslayer yeah. doing some work.21:29
kronosu tell ??21:29
shadeslayerheh .. my rekonq is busted up21:29
shadeslayerkronos: fixing telepathy and bits of rekonq these days ;)21:29
kronosshadeslayer, ah .. gr8..21:30
shadeslayerRiddell: ok i *think* that module comes from KCookieJar, so maybe kubuntu-default-settings does something funky with that?21:36
Riddellit doesn't but I'll test it with kubuntu-default-settings removed to check21:36
shadeslayerokay21:36
shadeslayerbut it definitely is the system wide cookie jar module21:37
Riddellshadeslayer: removing kubuntu-default-settings does seem to fix it21:41
Riddellweirdness21:41
shadeslayerhah :D21:42
shadeslayerRiddell:  share/config/kcookiejarrc21:43
shadeslayeroh oh ... i need to change some stuff with our twitter keys, hold on21:44
shadeslayerapachelogger: seems like someone converted twitter to java and it's all slow now21:45
mu3ennoticed the GTK Oxygen Theme entry on the beta release page shows inkscape. gimp doesn't seem to run with it enabled though? should it be in known bugs?21:51
shadeslayerRiddell: any objections to changing the url our current twitter key points to from kubuntu.org to choqok's website?21:51
bambeeshadeslayer: "slow" is an implicit word when you talk about java :P21:52
shadeslayer*nod*21:52
bambeeit's like "powerful" and "rocking language" with python... both are implicit :P21:52
yofelmu3en: gimp runs fine here using oxygen-gtk21:53
mu3enhey yofel, strange. segfaults here.21:54
shadeslayer:@21:56
mu3enyofel, heh. this was a fresh install but only after switching to raleigh was fine. have switched back to oxygen-gtk and also runs fine again.21:57
yofelo.O21:57
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bambeeshadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cgzWldTDI0 :D21:59
mu3enhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/74287722:00
bambeeshadeslayer: with sasha <322:00
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shadeslayerbambee: will look tomorrow22:07
* shadeslayer is ultra tired22:07
Riddellshadeslayer: is that upstream's request?22:07
shadeslayerRiddell: yes22:08
bambeeshadeslayer: np22:08
shadeslayerfinally i'm at the site ...22:09
shadeslayerRiddell: http://paste.kde.org/900722:10
shadeslayernight all ... cya tomorrow :)22:16
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Riddellshadeslayer: go for it then22:30
Riddellassuming it doesn't break string freeze22:30
Riddellshadeslayer: seems like our /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kcookiejarrc file is causing the problem22:41
Riddellmakes no sense but it doesn't seem to be needed any more so I'll remove it22:41
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