[00:41] <txwikinger> I thought I can choose to use lvm during the installation. Was that dropped for natty, or does that only work on the alternative disks?
[02:10] <nixternal> http://main.diabetes.org/site/TR/TourdeCure/ChicagoNorthernILArea?px=5915330&pg=personal&fr_id=7587   -- come on geeks, donate to the fight! don't let broke cyclists show up the geeks :p  come on kubuntu peeps!!! \o/
[02:16] <valorie> done
[02:16] <valorie> off to the library
[02:16] <valorie> high-fives to you for riding, nixternal!
[02:20] <nixternal> oh rock on, thanks valorie!
[02:24] <nixternal> i figure since i sit in my chair all day, i should be able to sit on a bike seat for 6 hours to do 100 miles
[02:28] <c2tarun> on this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging#previewI have to pick the packages with --- in front of them? right?
[02:30] <c2tarun> valorie: ping can you please help me with this prob :/ ^^
[02:37] <c2tarun> Riddell: ping
[02:37] <c2tarun> kdeedu uploaded.
[02:37] <c2tarun> in ppa
[02:42] <valorie> hi c2tarun
[02:42] <c2tarun> hi valorie :)
[02:43] <c2tarun> can you please help me with that prob, I forgot actually which one to take. I think blank ones.
[02:43] <valorie> c2tarun: if it's about gsoc, let's do the conversation in #kde-soc, ok?
[02:44] <valorie> unless someone in here is mentoring......
[02:44]  * valorie listens and watches......
[02:44] <valorie> we still need mentors!
[02:44] <c2tarun> valorie: nope :( I asked about GSoC and a mentor rejected, so right now its about ninja work :/
[02:44] <valorie> boo
[02:44] <valorie> that sucks
[02:45] <valorie> don't forget about Season of KDE -- you get a T-shirt
[02:45] <c2tarun> I ??
[02:46] <valorie> yes, if you were interested in GSoC, you may also be interested in SoK
[02:46] <valorie> but there is no money with it
[02:46] <valorie> just prestige and a T
[02:46] <valorie> :-)
[02:46] <valorie> and a certificate
[02:47] <c2tarun> I dont want any money :)
[02:48] <c2tarun> !SoK
[02:48] <c2tarun> great, where can I get more info about SoK?
[02:51] <c2tarun> valorie: ^
[02:51]  * c2tarun taking oxygen-icons
[02:53] <valorie> sec
[02:53] <c2tarun> sure
[02:54] <valorie> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Summer_of_Code
[02:54] <valorie> doesn't look like we have 2011 up yet
[02:54] <valorie> but it will be up soon
[02:57] <c2tarun> well its good that I am not late into this :)
[02:58] <valorie> what year are you in university, c2tarun?
[02:58] <c2tarun> valorie: its final :/
[02:58] <valorie> ah, boo
[02:59] <valorie> too bad you didn't hear about it earlier
[03:01] <c2tarun> valorie: actually I didnt hear about linux even :( I started using it in begining of my final year'
[03:02] <valorie> wow, you are a very fast learner
[03:03] <valorie> what did you spend all your energy on before linux ?
[03:08] <c2tarun> valorie: to be honest, roaming around, oogling on gals :) hanging out with frnds :)
[03:09] <valorie> haha
[03:09] <c2tarun>  :D
[03:09] <valorie> well, I'm glad we caught your eye
[03:09] <valorie> enjoying college life, what a concept!
[03:09] <valorie> :-)
[03:10] <c2tarun> really I enjoyed a lot :P a LOT :-)
[03:11] <valorie> that's excellent, really
[03:11] <valorie> finding a balance; that's what it is all about
[03:11] <valorie> also, finding your passion, and going for it
[03:12] <c2tarun> yup :) I balanced it now, and I started getting into linux after placement :) exactly after 18 JAN 2011
[03:13] <valorie> that's great
[03:13] <valorie> well, back to work for me....
[03:13] <c2tarun> sure :)
[03:18] <c2tarun> !find mediasource.h
[03:22] <c2tarun> kdeedu failed, mrl.h is missing http://paste.kde.org/8945/    I found that this files comes with kvirc-data but I dont think its in build-depends, should I add it to build-depends?
[03:28] <ScottK> No.
[03:29] <ScottK> Looks like a phonon issue.
[03:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon/../../phonon/mediasource.h:29:17: fatal error: mrl.h: No such file or directory
[03:33] <c2tarun> ScottK: how come it build successfully on my system? 
[03:34] <ScottK> Different version of phonon used in the build maybe?
[03:34] <c2tarun> ScottK: version in repo is better than the one required.
[03:35] <ScottK> So it may have changed.
[03:35] <c2tarun> hmm....
[03:36] <c2tarun> ScottK: libphonon-dev (>= 4:4.7.0really4.4.2) this is in control file, if newer version is not working should we change it to libphonon-dev (4:4.7.0really4.4.2) will it work?
[03:36] <ScottK> No.
[03:36] <ScottK> We need to fix the phonon problem.
[03:37] <ScottK> In fact, mrl.h doesn't exist in the archive.
[03:37] <ScottK> That's why I pinged apachelogger.  He's an upstream phonon developer, so he'll know what to do.
[03:37] <c2tarun> ScottK: how did you check in archive?
[03:37] <ScottK> packages.ubuntu.com
[03:38] <c2tarun> ScottK: ok, one more thing ubottu found that mrl.h is in kvirc-data
[03:38] <ScottK> One of the options there let's you search for specific files and what package they are in.
[03:38] <ScottK> No.  It's not.
[03:38] <c2tarun> !find mrl.h
[03:38] <c2tarun> see..
[03:38] <ScottK> I believe it said that.
[03:38] <ScottK> I just don't think it's correct.
[03:38] <c2tarun> then what do you mean ? I am not getting :/
[03:39] <valorie> ScottK dares to say that ubottu isn't perfect!
[03:39] <ScottK> What found was /usr/share/kvirc/4.1/help/en/fnc_mediaplayer.mrl.html
[03:39] <ScottK> That matches mrl.h.
[03:40] <c2tarun> ohhh....
[03:40] <ScottK> valorie: The bot answers the question it is asked.
[03:40] <valorie> indeed
[03:40] <valorie> just like computers do what you tell them to
[03:40] <valorie> not necessarily what you want them to
[03:40] <c2tarun> then I fear mrl.h isn't in any pacakges (according to packages.ubuntu.com) lets wait for apachelogger
[03:42] <ScottK> Yep.
[03:42] <ScottK> I'd move on to another package.
[03:42] <ScottK> Generally since this is a point release things like changing dependencies shouldn't be needed.
[03:44] <c2tarun> ScottK: one more help please, in this list https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging#previewI have to take the pacakges which dont have --- in front of them?
[03:46] <ScottK> Not all those need doing.
[03:46] <ScottK> Did you finish oxygen-icons?
[03:46] <c2tarun> ScottK: yup its into ppa now, may be building or in queue
[03:47] <ScottK> OK.
[03:48] <ScottK> It looks to me like all the packages that are part of KDE SC 4.6.2 have a name by them then.
[03:49] <c2tarun> ScottK: yup :/
[04:03] <c2tarun> ScottK: what about maverick list? can I take them? or we can simply get them from natty?
[04:03] <ScottK> You should update the packaging from the existing Maverick packages.  They aren't all the same as in Natty.
[04:03] <c2tarun> ok
[04:04] <c2tarun> I have an natty ec2, creating a maverick pbuilder and building into it is fine? isnt it?
[04:05] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:06]  * c2tarun taking akonadi for maverick.
[04:13] <c2tarun> version in natty is akonadi-1.5.1 what version should be for maverick?
[04:14] <c2tarun> ScottK: ^^
[04:14] <ScottK> You shouldn't need to touch akonadi.
[04:15] <c2tarun> oops.... :( can I ask why?
[04:16] <c2tarun> ScottK: ^
[04:16] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:17] <c2tarun> ScottK: why :)
[04:17] <ScottK> The PPA should already have 4.6.1 and so whatever version of akonadi is needed, it should arleady have.
[04:19] <c2tarun> ScottK: well if you are referring to ninjas ppa then it has 1.5.0-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1  version and still I guess version 1.5.1 is there.
[04:19] <c2tarun> somewhere around
[04:21] <c2tarun> Riddell: please dont switch of ec2, I'll be back in a while
[08:29] <bambee> morning
[09:57] <debfx> yofel_: what's the reason for "Disable libqwt-ruby1.8 and qwt files in libqt4-ruby1.8.examples" (kdebindings)?
[10:00] <c2tarun> Riddell: ping
[10:00] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ping
[10:00] <Riddell> hello c2tarun 
[10:00] <debfx> dpm: hi, could you have a look at bug #749379
[10:01] <debfx> I have no idea how to debug this
[10:01] <c2tarun> hi Riddell :) I packed two packages, but now I dont think any packages left for natty. should I go for maverick packages?
[10:02] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes can do
[10:03] <Riddell> c2tarun: do you know how?
[10:04]  * apachelogger should drink less
[10:04] <c2tarun> Riddell: what should be the version number for that? like if I build the source code of a oxygen-icons-4.6.2 what version number should I include?
[10:06] <c2tarun> Riddell: the versions packed for natty I'll take their source code and try to build it on maverick pbuilder. Will it do?
[10:08] <Riddell> c2tarun: version number should be 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1
[10:09] <c2tarun> Riddell: what should be the changelog entry? "Maverick ppa version"
[10:09] <Riddell> yes
[10:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: Your membership in kubuntu-ppa is about to expire
[10:10] <bambee> Can I remove phonon from kubuntu-ninjas/ppa  ? (it has been moved into archives)
[10:10]  * apachelogger is getting annoyed ... apparently it is a good idea to send such mail every 24 hours and multiple times within the last 24
[10:11] <bambee> (also it's badly versionned)
[10:12] <Riddell> bambee: yes
[10:12] <bambee> ok
[10:13] <Riddell> well
[10:13] <Riddell> what's the version?
[10:16] <c2tarun> Riddell: is this changelog entry correct or should I remove the natty one? http://paste.ubuntu.com/589600/
[10:24]  * jussi waves 
[10:27] <dpm> hi debfx, I've added a comment to the bug, but I'm also puzzled as to why plain gettext does not load the translation
[10:29] <debfx> dpm: is there a way to list all translated string from a gettext domain?
[10:30] <bambee> Does someone find phonon-4:4.7.0really4.5.0-0ubuntu3 using apt-cache showpkg ? (pushished 13 hours ago into main archives)
[10:32] <dpm> debfx, not that I know of, apart from using msgfmt on the .mo file. That should list all the strings in there, which might be in fact what you want, now that I think of it
[10:32] <debfx> bambee: it's held in the binary NEW queue
[10:32] <bambee> ohhh
[10:32] <debfx> Riddell: ^
[10:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: are there any phonon projects yet?
[10:35] <debfx> dpm: isn't msgfmt for creating .mo files?
[10:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i'll take a look - sec
[10:35] <dpm> debfx, oh, sorry, I meant msgunfmt
[10:36]  * apachelogger always opens mo files in okteta ^^
[10:38] <Nightrose> apachelogger: one
[10:38]  * Riddell accepts libphonon4-designer
[10:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: about what?
[10:39] <Nightrose> support for media encoding
[10:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: from a "Pavel"?
[10:39] <Nightrose> no
[10:40] <apachelogger> curious
[10:40] <apachelogger> oh wellz
[10:40] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thanks :)
[10:40]  * apachelogger takes a note that one must do more advertising of cool projects
[10:40] <apachelogger> come to think of it, phonon on android was not even on the ideas page *shrug*
[10:41] <apachelogger> that would be a jolly interesting project though
[10:41] <apachelogger> c2tarun: wanna bring phonon to android?
[10:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you see my idea on kde-devel?
[10:41] <apachelogger> no one responded yet :(
[10:41] <c2tarun> apachelogger: sure :) but I have no idea what does it mean?
[10:41] <apachelogger> <-- sad logger
[10:42] <Nightrose> yes - saw it 
[10:42] <Nightrose> just submit it
[10:42] <Nightrose> ;-)
[10:42]  * jussi huggles apachelogger
[10:42] <apachelogger> Nightrose: yeah, just thinking ... not getting replies in one day makes you wonder about the interest of people in giving users a good documentation experience
[10:43]  * apachelogger could totally imagine KHelpCenter to be your one stop for getting help of any sort, though that might be a bit bloated then ^^
[10:44] <valorie> oh, behind on email
[10:44] <valorie> I'll comment
[10:45] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ping
[10:46] <debfx> dpm: ok, so the .mo file definitely contains the translated strings
[10:47] <c2tarun> apachelogger: you looked at the error in build of kdeedu? its due to some phonon issue.
[10:47] <debfx> dpm: do you know if there is a verbose lookup that at least tells me if it can't find the translation
[10:49] <dpm> debfx, unfortunately, I don't know of any verbose lookup :(
[10:51] <apachelogger> c2tarun: yeah
[10:51] <apachelogger> blame the new queue
[10:51] <apachelogger> a fixed phonon is on the way
[10:52] <apachelogger> possibly Riddell already accepted it
[10:52] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ok :) and what about brining phonon to android?
[10:52] <apachelogger> well
[10:52] <c2tarun> apachelogger: was that msg for me?
[10:52] <apachelogger> qt becoming available on android means we can have phonon become available on android
[10:53] <apachelogger> which would require getting phonon to build against the andriod toolchain (along with requirements ... on that note one might consider reducing the dependencies, as right now phonon depends on automoc but surely could live without it)
[10:54] <apachelogger> next step would probably be to get it actually spit out audio using the vlc backend, seeing as libvlc should be working on android that is an easy target
[10:54] <c2tarun> apachelogger: I'll love to bring it to android, but I need some help :( if you could explain me or if there is any manual that can help me :/
[10:55] <apachelogger> once that is also achieved creating an android backend, which is really the interesting part here, as you would have to glue c++ to the java based multimedia api of android
[10:56] <apachelogger> c2tarun: for which part would there be a manual? :P
[10:57] <c2tarun> apachelogger: like info about android toolchain, spit out audio using vlc backend .....
[10:57] <apachelogger> former is documented all over the place
[10:57] <apachelogger> latter requires free thinking and with any luck works right away anyway
[10:58] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ok :) I'll start, I'll read about android toolchain first :)
[10:58] <apachelogger> c2tarun: I was thinking about making it a gsoc project :P
[10:58] <c2tarun> apachelogger: and you want me to join it? :)
[10:58] <apachelogger> I want you to propose it :P
[10:58] <valorie> who would mentor for it, apachelogger?
[10:59] <valorie> ScottK?
[10:59] <apachelogger> valorie: ScottKis working on phonon now? ^^
[10:59] <valorie> I was thinking of the ARM part
[10:59] <c2tarun> apachelogger: sure :) I'll propose it and I would love to do it :) (even without any money )
[11:00] <apachelogger> valorie: what arm part?
[11:00] <apachelogger> the hand?
[11:00]  * apachelogger giggles away
[11:02] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ok, should I propose it?
[11:03] <valorie> oh my, were you drinking champagne?
[11:03] <valorie> c2tarun: if you want to have fun, fall in with apachelogger's schemes, for sure
[11:03] <apachelogger> c2tarun: please do
[11:03] <apachelogger> valorie: no, wine
[11:04] <valorie> wine with giggle-bubbles, I think
[11:04] <valorie> lol
[11:05] <c2tarun> valorie: I'll propose it :) and surely stick with it
[11:06] <valorie> \o/
[11:06] <apachelogger> valorie: so what is with the arm?
[11:07] <valorie> that's what adroid is, right?
[11:07] <valorie> android
[11:07] <valorie> geez, I don't even know how to get my phone to work
[11:07] <apachelogger> android is just software and actually also runs on regular intel cpus :P
[11:09] <valorie> ok
[11:09] <valorie> but mine makes a thunder sound when it starts up!
[11:09] <valorie> special
[11:10] <valorie> this music isn't making me smarter
[11:10]  * valorie is listening to Nellie the Nudist Queen by Ross & Sargent on Flashbacks, Volume 2: Crazy & Obscure: Novelty Songs 1914-1946 [Amarok]
[11:12] <valorie> harald, I'm not seeing your email
[11:12] <apachelogger> me neither
[11:13] <apachelogger> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=130191960215339&w=2
[11:13] <valorie> that could be why you didn't get replies
[11:13] <valorie> oh, because I'm not on the kde-devel list
[11:13] <valorie> huh
[11:14] <valorie> sucks that there was no feedback
[11:15] <valorie> anybody I should poke?
[11:15] <valorie> Nightrose said I could poke mentors and would-be mentors
[11:15] <valorie> so I have been
[11:15] <valorie> :-)
[11:17] <valorie> ugh, brain is dead
[11:17] <valorie> time for bed
[11:17] <valorie> niters
[11:18] <apachelogger> nini valorie
[11:22] <debfx> dpm: the problem has to do with the message context
[11:22] <debfx> dpm: I think the lookup fails if the message has multiple contexts like this: msgctxt "Name|plasma containment"
[11:23] <debfx> does the pipe even mean "or" there?
[11:27] <Riddell> debfx: it's just a string, no "or" operators in it
[11:35] <debfx> Riddell: ah, so the problem is that we don't know about the additional context when looking up the string
[11:39] <Riddell> debfx: yes if there's a msgctxt context it needs to be given exactly to get the translation I believe
[11:43] <yofel> debfx: IIRC libqwt-ruby went missing at some point so the packages would've been empty
[11:45] <debfx> Riddell: yeah and the only indication of the context is a comment in the desktop file above the key
[11:46] <jussi> do we have Qt 4.7.1 in a ppa somewhere?  and will it break stuff if I install it on maverick?
[11:47] <debfx> opensuse just does a contextless lookup
[11:49] <yofel> jussi: I don't think so, it's either 4.7.0 in mav or 4.7.2 in natty
[11:49] <jussi> yofel: ok, is there a backport of 4.7.2? 
[11:50] <yofel> not in our PPAs at least
[11:51] <jussi> ok, Ill try ugrading to natty then (failed yesterdaY)
[11:51] <yofel> I don't have any held packages here so it should work
[11:51] <c2tarun> apachelogger: what should I keep the project title? "Importing phonon to android"
[11:55] <jussi> yofel: sadly its still broken :(
[11:55] <yofel> hm..
[11:56] <jussi> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[11:56] <jussi> E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[11:56] <jussi> is there anyway to debug that?  findout what packages? 
[11:57] <yofel> there should be logs somewhere, /var/log/update-manager maybe, can't check here since I don't upgrade like that
[12:00] <jussi> its in /var/log/dist-upgrade and the date
[12:00] <debfx> apachelogger: any objections against using a contextless lookup for desktop file translations?
[12:00] <c2tarun> apachelogger: I need little more detail about the project :( meanwhile I am reading about the android toolchain, if you come around just ping me :)
[12:02] <jussi> yofel: http://pastebin.com/T6aku1Ce
[12:05] <yofel> seems it's failing to calculate the X upgrades
[12:05] <apachelogger> debfx: why?
[12:05] <apachelogger> context is important
[12:05] <yofel> jussi: ask in #ubuntu+1 maybe, I can't help there
[12:05] <debfx> apachelogger: there is no easy way to parse the context string
[12:06] <apachelogger> I do not quite compute
[12:06] <apachelogger> what do you mean by parsing?
[12:07] <debfx> apachelogger: also the lookup is restricted to one desktop_* domain so I expect not much ambiguity
[12:07] <debfx> apachelogger: for example http://paste.kde.org/8960/
[12:08] <debfx> we need to parse the # ctxt: string
[12:08] <apachelogger> notificiation thingies are translated as desktop files fi I am not mistaken
[12:08] <apachelogger> and those can have many many entries
[12:08] <apachelogger> debfx: where do we need to parse that?
[12:08] <apachelogger> or when
[12:09] <debfx> in the KDesktopFile ctor
[12:10] <apachelogger> and from where do we call that?
[12:10]  * apachelogger makes this particular conversation a point for why context is important
[12:11] <debfx> when looking up the translation we need to know the context string
[12:11] <debfx> so we need to parse the ctxt comment before that
[12:12] <apachelogger> that does not really answer the question
[12:12] <apachelogger> besides, doesnt kdesktopfile only have file based ctors?
[12:13] <apachelogger> would be rather awkward if one had to parse desktop files even though there is a class for that :)
[12:15] <debfx> apachelogger: yes, the ctors get the filename
[12:15] <apachelogger> so the fact remains
[12:15] <apachelogger> I do not compute the problem
[12:16] <debfx> in this case the context string for the Name key is "Name|plasma containment"
[12:16] <debfx> currently we do lookup for the context "Name" which fails because it doesn't exist
[12:18]  * apachelogger puts pieces together to form a problem description
[12:19] <apachelogger> so
[12:20] <apachelogger> debfx: this is about ou rkdesktopfile patch not being able to handle enhanced contextness?
[12:20] <debfx> so if we want to do a proper contextual lookup we need to parse that comment in the desktop file to construct the context string
[12:20] <apachelogger> as IIRC we hardcode the context
[12:20] <apachelogger> debfx: how hard can it be? open file, regext for # ctxt:
[12:22] <apachelogger> other option would be to first do a context lookup and then one without if the former did come back empty
[12:23] <apachelogger> which reminds me that we need to do that anyway as some tool involved with creation of desktop file pos in pyth0rn is incapable of adding a context
[12:23] <apachelogger> ultimately however we would not need to patch kdesktopfile so intrusively
[12:23] <apachelogger> ...
[12:23] <apachelogger> ScottK always loves that part
[12:24] <debfx> yes, but how do you detect if the lookup failed?
[12:24] <apachelogger> debfx: empty string
[12:24] <apachelogger> oh, actually that is bogus
[12:25] <apachelogger> surely there is a way
[12:25] <apachelogger> or you could just remove the patch and switch to using something that actually works
[12:25] <apachelogger> upstream is supreme!
[12:36] <bambee> w00t... kdebindings built fine for amd64, however python-kde4-dev-4:4.6.2-0ubuntu1~ppa1 does not exist (python-kde4 does)
[12:37] <bambee> I mean it built fine and there is a missing package o_O
[12:37] <Riddell> bambee: python-kde4-dev is arch all so it only builds on i386
[12:37] <bambee> ohh
[12:37] <bambee> ok
[12:38] <Riddell> I'm building the new kdebindings tar here on i386
[12:38] <bambee> ok
[12:38] <Riddell> also building new kdegraphics and kdebase-workspace for natty
[12:45] <jussi> yofel: ahh, Im guessing its because I had to use x from some ppa, as intel was borked in mav :(
[12:46]  * jussi install ppa-purge
[12:49] <jussi> <3 ppa-purge
[13:03] <steveire> Riddell: My kdepim4.4 patch also fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/750361
[13:03] <Riddell> steveire: which patch?
[13:03] <steveire> The problem was that running a subevent loop causes dbus confusion
[13:03] <steveire> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/750361
[13:04] <steveire> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/751167
[13:05] <Riddell> ooh lovely
[13:06] <Riddell> steveire: is your notify instead of ugly dialogue change available for 4.4?  it would solve the live CD issue
[13:07] <steveire> Riddell: It could be backported to 4.4 I'm sure, yes
[13:07] <Riddell> steveire: also will akonadi 1.5.2 be out this week?
[13:07] <steveire> Probably
[13:08] <Riddell> hmm, that doesn't sound like something we should rely on, we freeze on Monday
[13:09] <steveire> volker is doing the release now
[13:10] <Riddell> good old volker :)
[13:20] <steveire> Cherry picked the notification patch. building now
[13:35] <steveire> Riddell: I pushed it to the 4.4 branch. of kdepim. Is that a convenient place for you to get it from?
[13:37] <Riddell> steveire: if my git skills are elite enough :)
[13:37] <Riddell> I'll take a look shortly
[13:49] <debfx> apachelogger: please tell me if you find a way to check if the lookup failed
[13:53] <jussi> yofel: update, I purged the X ppa I was using (glasen), and that fixed it. Thank you for investigating for me.
[13:53] <yofel> yw
[14:30] <jussi> So, this is not going to overly break natty, but I got this: 
[14:30] <jussi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589679/
[14:32] <Riddell> there was a multiarch issue with nspluginviewer recently
[14:37] <c2tarun> Riddell: I uploaded 2 maverick-ppa versions to kubuntu-ninja/ppa can you please take a look whether they are fine?
[14:56] <Riddell> c2tarun: looks good
[14:57] <c2tarun> Riddell: if a package has version number package-4.6.1-0ubuntu2 then I should change it to package-4.6.1-0ubuntu2~maverick1~ppa1?
[14:57] <c2tarun> or package-4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1
[14:58] <Riddell> package-4.6.1-0ubuntu2~maverick1~ppa1?
[14:58] <Riddell> but we're packaging 4.6.2 so anything with 4.6.1 is wrong
[15:01] <jussi> yippee, my natty is borked :(
[15:01] <c2tarun> Riddell: actually I was in doubt with ubuntu2 part :) thanks 
[15:03] <c2tarun> Riddell: what was the ktown ppa for getting the tarballs :( I forgot it
[15:10] <c2tarun> can anyone please help me by telling me the ftp link for ktown :( thanks
[15:11] <Riddell> c2tarun: ktown isn't a ppa, it's a server we have ssh access to
[15:12] <Riddell> ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[15:18] <c2tarun> can anyone please help me by telling me the ftp link for ktown :( thanks
[15:18] <jussi> c2tarun: its not an ftp link, but an ssh link, as riddell said: [17:12:00] <Riddell> ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org (Im guessing sftp may work though)
[15:19] <c2tarun> jussi: ohh.... how can I see the folders there?
[15:19] <c2tarun> jussi: can I connect there by ssh?
[15:19] <jussi> yes!
[15:31] <jussi> and now we are quick again :D
[15:38] <Riddell> steveire: which git commit is the one you did for your blog today?
[15:40] <Riddell> steveire: the kmessagebox in kdepim-runtime is already disabled in 4.4.10, that must not be the problem dialogue I was wanting removed
[15:43] <bambee> Riddell: what about obex-data-server 0.4.6 ? it has been released but nothing has changed (except the version and the changelog)
[15:44] <Riddell> bambee: yes would be good to get that in
[15:44] <bambee> Riddell: even if nothing has changed ?
[15:45] <Riddell> bambee: yes, nicer to have a round version numbers, keeps things clearer for developers
[15:45] <bambee> Riddell: okay :)
[15:45] <bambee> so I add it to my todolist 
[15:45] <Riddell> great
[15:50] <steveire> Riddell: The code is copied actually
[15:50] <steveire> One copy is already commented out in 4.4.10, but I've just changed the other one
[15:52] <steveire> One copy is in kdepim/nepomuk_email_feeder, the other is in kdepim/agents/nepomukfeeder or so
[15:52] <steveire> Both of the patches I put in the 4.4 branch should be packages I think.
[15:55] <steveire> sorry, kdepim/runtime/agents/...
[16:02] <Riddell> steveire: this is the synchronious startup issue? http://steveire.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/another-one-bytes-the-dust
[16:03] <steveire> Yes
[16:04] <Riddell> jr@gallus:~/src/kdepim-runtime/orig/kdepim-runtime-4.4.10>grep "Nepomuk Indexing Disabled" * -r
[16:04] <Riddell> agents/nepomukfeeder/nepomukfeederagentbase.cpp:  //KMessageBox::error( 0, message, i18n( "Nepomuk Indexing Disabled" ), KMessageBox::Notify | KMessageBox::AllowLink );
[16:04] <Riddell> steveire: definately commented out in the upstream kdepim-runtime-4.4.10 tar
[16:04] <Riddell> most strange
[16:06] <steveire> Hmmm...
[16:08] <Riddell> kdepim uploaded with asynchromous startup patch
[16:09] <steveire> It seems the notification commented out patch is in svn, but not in git
[16:09] <steveire> and svn is where 4.4.10 came from...
[16:09] <Riddell> two revision control systems, now that's confusing
[16:09] <steveire> Agreed.
[16:09] <steveire> I'll figure that out. Probably we're supposed to use svn for 4.4, not git
[16:10] <steveire> But that doesn't explain where the dialog comes from when I was using the package.
[16:10] <steveire> Or maybe I only saw the dialog when I was using 4.6... ?
[16:10] <steveire> That would make sense actually
[16:11] <Riddell> the dialogue we get on the live CD is the akonadi error dialogue, the one in http://steveire.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/another-one-bytes-the-dust with the nepomuk not running error in red
[16:11] <Riddell> which is fair enough since nepomuk isn't run on the live CD
[16:11] <Riddell> but I haven't work out a way to either start nepomuk when kontact is started, or to stop it giving an error
[16:12]  * apachelogger notes that this is completely worthless information unless one tries to do something that requires nepomuk
[16:12] <steveire> Yes, but the dialog is actully reporting that akonadi failed to start because of a short synchronous timeout or so. On the live CD the dialog should not appear
[16:12] <jussi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589732/ :(
[16:12] <steveire> Akonadi will start successfully and not show the dialog even though nepomuk is not there
[16:12] <Riddell> steveire: well on the live CD we set nepomuk not to start so arguably it should appear
[16:13] <apachelogger> steveire: I thought krake fixed the timing issue proper?
[16:13] <Riddell> steveire: oh so maybe it's the timer issue, in which case we can test tomorrow's daily CD
[16:13] <steveire> apachelogger: In 4.5, which didn't get released
[16:13] <Riddell> along with the new akonadi with any luck
[16:13]  * apachelogger found his approach of simply raising the timeout to 5 minutes was the best one :P
[16:13] <steveire> Yep, lets test tomorrow. The new akonadi release is made afaik
[16:14] <steveire> I don't know if that ends with a link to a tarball in kde-packagers or whatever, but volker tells me it's done :)
[16:14] <Riddell> ooh there it is http://download.akonadi-project.org/
[16:15] <steveire> Hmm, downloads.grantlee.org doesn't work. Need to check that out...
[16:15] <steveire> http://www.grantlee.org/downloads/ does work. My subdomain is broken...
[16:20] <c2tarun> Riddell: are kdelibs in ktown and on this link https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5ubuntu2 different package?
[16:23] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes, that's KDE 3
[16:23] <Riddell> we're doing KDE 4 which we call kde4libs
[16:23] <c2tarun> Riddell: so where can I get the appropriate debian folder to kdelibs-4.6.2
[16:24] <Riddell> c2tarun: kubuntu-ninjas PPA
[16:24] <Riddell> and bzr
[16:26] <c2tarun> Riddell: I just checked the ppa those packages are alread in there but yofel didn't add his name on this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging :(
[16:27] <c2tarun> yofel: I just worked on something you already finished :(
[16:28] <debfx> Riddell: are you packaging akonadi?
[16:28] <Riddell> c2tarun: there's no kde4libs 4.6.2 in maverick in kubuntu-ninjas, only an old 4.6.1
[16:28] <Riddell> debfx: not yet, feel free to grab it
[16:29] <debfx> ok, will do
[16:29] <c2tarun> Riddell: ohh... ya sorry :/ I didn't noticed, one more thing according to that dependency tree, should I pack kde4libs before kdepimlibs?
[16:29] <Riddell> debfx: mark it on the wiki page
[16:30] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes
[16:30] <c2tarun> Riddell: and in ktown there is no tarball of name kde4libs there is just kdelibs-4.6.2 I guess both are same.
[16:30] <Riddell> c2tarun: we rename kdelibs to kde4libs
[16:31] <c2tarun> Riddell: ok, So i have to rename the tarball and name with version number in changelog. right?
[16:32] <Riddell> c2tarun: just start with getting the package from natty PPA, that way it has the right tar and version number already
[16:32] <Riddell> then add the changelog for maverick and build
[16:36] <Riddell> c2tarun: what ec2 machine are you using?  (I want to shut down the others I have running)
[16:37] <c2tarun> Riddell: ubuntu@ip-10-212-182-178
[16:50] <txwikinger> Riddell: Since when does the Kubuntu installer haev no lvm option anymore?
[16:56] <c2tarun> I am trying to wget https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+files/kde4libs_4.6.2.orig.tar.bz2 but all I am getting is some 4kb file and not the exact 12 MB tarball, :( why so?
[17:03] <Riddell> txwikinger: ubiquity has never had LVM options
[17:03] <Riddell> c2tarun: it's restricted, you can't just wget it
[17:03] <Riddell> you can add the deb-src line to sources.list and apt-get source it
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: poke ... 
[17:05] <c2tarun> Riddell: ok, after adding deb-src line and on updating I got this error W: GPG error: https://private-ppa.launchpad.net maverick Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B2C30B9A0945A8E2
[17:05] <c2tarun> Riddell: and on apt-get source I got 4.6.1
[17:05] <c2tarun>  :/
[17:06] <c2tarun> Riddell: here is my source.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/589749/
[17:16] <txwikinger> Riddelll: only the alternate CD?
[17:16] <Riddelll> txwikinger: yes
[17:16] <txwikinger> Ah ok.. that got me confused
[17:16] <c2tarun> Riddelll: can you help me with adding deb-src :(
[17:16] <txwikinger> Riddelll: I installed natty from the daily build last night.. worked pretty good
[17:16] <Riddelll> txwikinger: great
[17:16] <Riddelll> c2tarun: you already added it, just change it to natty
[17:16] <c2tarun> :/ I am an idot :(
[17:19] <c2tarun> Riddelll: still getting same error :(
[17:19] <Riddelll> what error?
[17:20] <txwikinger> Riddelll: btw.. you are famous here... they called a road after you in hour from here ;)
[17:21] <c2tarun> Riddelll: http://paste.kde.org/8982/
[17:21] <Riddelll> txwikinger: wow, really?  I hope  it has a cycle lane, I'm not sure I'd approve of a road without a cycle lane
[17:21] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: looking
[17:22] <Riddelll> c2tarun: that's fine, ignore it
[17:22] <txwikinger> Actually it has cycle lanes :D
[17:22] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: run apt-get update again i'd say
[17:22] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I already tried twice :(
[17:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: need a hand?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: it's a private repo, so that's why the delay in publishing packages and hence mis matched file sizes
[17:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: with 4.6.2?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:23] <shadeslayer> or is all the good stuff taken? :P
[17:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes, needs testing on natty and packages building on maverick
[17:23] <shadeslayer> alright i can do the former
[17:23] <c2tarun> Riddell: I got the latest version on apt-get source :) thanks
[17:25] <shadeslayer> :O
[17:25] <shadeslayer> i'm getting 500 KBps
[17:25]  * shadeslayer downloads update
[17:25] <nixternal> nice! my donation love for my big bike ride, the tour de cure, has come from Kubuntu, KDE, and Arch. Umm, where is Ubuntu? :D
[17:25] <shadeslayer> s/update/updates
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Kubuntu -> The K in Ubuntu :P
[17:26] <nixternal> no way, doesn't count!
[17:37] <c2tarun> need help with this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/589772/  (I never looked at pbuilder error log :( )
[17:39] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: around?
[17:39] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: yes
[17:39] <Riddell> c2tarun: your pbuilder needs kubuntu-ninjas added
[17:40] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: does kwin have a bug where resizing konsole makes artifacts pop up?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> and infact in trunk my KDE Freezes up
[17:40] <shadeslayer> can't find anything on bugzilla
[17:41] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: no, I don't know anything about it. What driver?
[17:42] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: nvidia .. 270.30-0ubuntu3
[17:42] <mgraesslin> hmm
[17:42] <mgraesslin> we have some freezes with NVIDIA but not with konsole
[17:43] <shadeslayer> well .. it happens when i resize the konsole window
[17:43] <shadeslayer> everything else just runs fine
[17:43] <shadeslayer> ( happens even in KDE 4.6.1 )
[17:45] <Riddell> rbelem: is there any reference for these patches?  bugs or commits?
[17:51] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: yeah .. i had to reboot twice :S
[17:52] <Riddell> no more shipit http://blog.canonical.com/?p=551
[17:53] <c2tarun> Riddell: sorry :( but I failed to find how to add kubuntu-ninjas to pbuilder-dist :( can I get an ec2 for maverick please
[17:54] <Riddell> can do
[17:55] <c2tarun> thanks :)
[17:57] <Riddell> c2tarun: ubuntu@ec2-184-73-68-120.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[17:58] <c2tarun> Riddell: I am getting permission denied
[17:59] <Riddell> c2tarun: try now
[18:00] <c2tarun> gotcha :)
[18:03] <Riddell> anyone seen bug 744812 ?
[18:13] <rbelem> Riddell, yup, let me find the commit hash
[18:18] <rbelem> Riddell, bda3fc424059a201a20153dd00b85aa26d57de1b e033e10e179c25b0dbd9813083b442f210b1ff95 1481d1596bd2d2aea47bf52f5b6dcc82a02fb549
[18:21] <c2tarun> well I need libsoprano-dev's latest version for packing kde4libs. this version is in natty but not in maverick. What should I do?
[18:23] <Riddell> c2tarun: it is in kubuntu-ninjas
[18:25] <bambee> obex-data-server has been uploaded to revu
[18:25] <c2tarun> Riddell: how can we apt-get the source code from natty archive on a maverick machine?
[18:26] <Riddell> you already did that, you add the deb-src line to sources.list
[18:27] <c2tarun> Riddell: yup, but I changed maverick to natty in last two lines and then pulled :/ and then I have to change it back.
[18:42] <debfx> apachelogger: it seems like a contextless lookup doesn't work if the message has a context
[18:44] <debfx> so we need to parse the context string from the kde .desktop files and need a way to see if the lookup failed for those translations that don't have a context
[18:51] <yofel> o/
[18:52] <shadeslayer> hey yofel
[19:07] <aditirex> anyone had a problem with not beeing able to mount /  at start ?
[19:14] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/SBu1z.png >> what my screen looks like right now
[19:14] <yofel> hm, I've seen that in the past, not recently though
[19:14] <bambee> Is there something to do on upstream that could indirectly contribute to/help kubuntu ?
[19:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: i think my GPU blew out
[19:19] <shadeslayer> i see a X update tho
[19:19] <yofel> if a reboot doesn't fix it, your graphics memory might be fried
[19:19] <shadeslayer> yep think so
[19:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: i reboot -> it's fixed for a certain amount of time -> goes back to that again
[19:19] <shadeslayer> altho now the artifacts are limited to the taskbar
[19:20] <yofel> that could be an driver bug then too, although I'm no expert there
[19:20] <shadeslayer> lets see
[19:20] <shadeslayer> another couple of minutes
[19:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: my ISP is giving me 20 times my speed right now :P
[19:21] <yofel> cool ^^
[19:22] <shadeslayer> lol... everything above the taskbar is fine, the taskbar looks like something chew through it
[19:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you cause rejections in my inbox, how do you do that?
[19:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i have no idea ... :D
[19:30] <apachelogger> libfunambol_9.0.2~r2511-0ubuntu0~natty1~ppa1_source.changes rejected 
[19:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i uploaded a natty build of libfunambol yes
[19:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i accidently put in the ppa at the end ....
[19:30] <apachelogger> but you haz no access 
[19:30] <shadeslayer> no .. my PPA
[19:30] <shadeslayer> idk why it sent a mail to you
[19:30] <apachelogger> you does not makes sense
[19:31] <shadeslayer> nvm
[19:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ignore
[19:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: easy to say for you...
[19:38] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:00] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: ping
[20:00] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[20:07] <jjesse> pong
[20:07] <Daskreech> jjesse: ping
[20:10] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: any/all of the docs you have worked on... can you upload and update this https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Natty as we are only  a couple days away from the freeze? I've already told the wife I'm taking time off of life to finish that what is not finished.
[20:11] <DarkwingDuck> Some of these may not have changed much if at all.
[20:11] <DarkwingDuck> But, I'll be reviewing over the next couple days and I would rather all updates be uploaded so we all have a current snapshot.
[20:11] <jjesse> ok
[20:12] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[20:12] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks jjesse 
[20:12]  * DarkwingDuck needs to build a better schedule for docs in +1
[20:23]  * apachelogger gets the feeling mgraesslin does not want to watch pron over the networx via network transparent display server 
[20:24] <apachelogger> and yet it is such an important use case :S
[20:47] <Riddell> well that wasn't good, X stopped taking mouse and keyboard input, had to reinstall beta 1
[20:47] <Riddell> I'm now scared to dist-upgrade
[20:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it seems we have IgnoreExpirationDate set to true by default (in rekonq GUI that's "Treat all cookies as session cookies") and that's why it doesn't remember login
[20:58] <Riddell> but I have no idea why it does that, it's not in kubuntu-default-settings and it's not the default in kdelibs
[21:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: alright, looking :)
[21:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think either the graphics stack is corrupted or my Laptop's going to die in a couple of weeks
[21:27] <shadeslayer> i hope it's the first
[21:28] <shadeslayer> kronos: you're up late
[21:28] <kronos> shadeslayer, hey
[21:29] <shadeslayer> ssup? :)
[21:29] <kronos> shadeslayer yeah. doing some work.
[21:29] <kronos> u tell ??
[21:29] <shadeslayer> heh .. my rekonq is busted up
[21:29] <shadeslayer> kronos: fixing telepathy and bits of rekonq these days ;)
[21:30] <kronos> shadeslayer, ah .. gr8..
[21:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok i *think* that module comes from KCookieJar, so maybe kubuntu-default-settings does something funky with that?
[21:36] <Riddell> it doesn't but I'll test it with kubuntu-default-settings removed to check
[21:36] <shadeslayer> okay
[21:37] <shadeslayer> but it definitely is the system wide cookie jar module
[21:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: removing kubuntu-default-settings does seem to fix it
[21:41] <Riddell> weirdness
[21:42] <shadeslayer> hah :D
[21:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell:  share/config/kcookiejarrc
[21:44] <shadeslayer> oh oh ... i need to change some stuff with our twitter keys, hold on
[21:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: seems like someone converted twitter to java and it's all slow now
[21:51] <mu3en> noticed the GTK Oxygen Theme entry on the beta release page shows inkscape. gimp doesn't seem to run with it enabled though? should it be in known bugs?
[21:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any objections to changing the url our current twitter key points to from kubuntu.org to choqok's website?
[21:52] <bambee> shadeslayer: "slow" is an implicit word when you talk about java :P
[21:52] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[21:52] <bambee> it's like "powerful" and "rocking language" with python... both are implicit :P
[21:53] <yofel> mu3en: gimp runs fine here using oxygen-gtk
[21:54] <mu3en> hey yofel, strange. segfaults here.
[21:56] <shadeslayer> :@
[21:57] <mu3en> yofel, heh. this was a fresh install but only after switching to raleigh was fine. have switched back to oxygen-gtk and also runs fine again.
[21:57] <yofel> o.O
[21:59] <bambee> shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cgzWldTDI0 :D
[22:00] <mu3en> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/742877
[22:00] <bambee> shadeslayer: with sasha <3
[22:07] <shadeslayer> bambee: will look tomorrow
[22:07]  * shadeslayer is ultra tired
[22:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is that upstream's request?
[22:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes
[22:08] <bambee> shadeslayer: np
[22:09] <shadeslayer> finally i'm at the site ...
[22:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/9007
[22:16] <shadeslayer> night all ... cya tomorrow :)
[22:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go for it then
[22:30] <Riddell> assuming it doesn't break string freeze
[22:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: seems like our /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kcookiejarrc file is causing the problem
[22:41] <Riddell> makes no sense but it doesn't seem to be needed any more so I'll remove it