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uofm49426how do i add windows xp to the grub 2 in lubuntu it didnt put it in buy default00:17
szczuruofm49426, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#Windows%20partition%20does%20not%20show%20up%20in%20GRUB00:24
uofm49426install os-prober. then sudo update grub00:25
szczuryup00:25
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UBuxuBUgood morning lubuntu engineers.05:32
* Unit193 is just a random user05:33
Unit193But hello UBuxuBU!05:33
* UBuxuBU nods to use...05:33
UBuxuBUits  ok man05:33
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jayanthi all08:07
jayantI want to add kalarm to start during startup. On the application's settings the start at login button is checked. But it doesn't start when i boot my system. Can somebody help me with that please.08:09
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kbhathello All14:00
kbhatI'm testing Lubuntu 11.04 beta114:00
kbhatI see no icons for nm-applet and my dropbox client in the notification area14:01
MrChrisDruifnm-applet?14:01
bioterrornetwork manager14:01
MrChrisDruifNetwork?14:01
MrChrisDruifAhh...that's a known bug14:01
kbhatyes, network14:01
MrChrisDruif(We might need to put it on the wiki/mailing-list)14:01
MrChrisDruifAnd dropbox I'm not sure14:02
MrChrisDruifHave you got indicators installed/added to the panel?14:02
MrChrisDruifI'm not sure why Lubuntu doesn't use them by default...was told to me yesterday, but I forgot14:02
MrChrisDruif(I'll check my logs)14:03
kbhatif its a known bug then I'm fine... was just asking14:04
kbhatI'm not sure how I need to check "indicators installed/added to the panel"14:04
kbhatforgot to mention that my "Volume control" and XChat icons appear fine14:05
kbhatand also the wx python demo app icon appears just fine14:06
kbhatif the existing bug requires additional info, please let me know... if its already been nailed down, then ignore my question... I can easily wait for the next build14:08
* MrChrisDruif looking14:09
MrChrisDruifhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libappindicator/+bug/741385 & https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libappindicator/+bug/746495 <= for the network icon14:10
ubot5Ubuntu bug 741385 in ubuntu-mono (Ubuntu Natty) "icons in notification area are broken" [High,Confirmed]14:10
ubot5Ubuntu bug 746495 in libappindicator "broken fallback icons in standard notification-area" [High,Confirmed]14:10
MrChrisDruifkbhat: (01:07:05 AM) gilir: the implementation of indicators is not good enough for now in Lubuntu <= reason why they aren't turned on by default in Lubuntu14:13
kbhatthanks guys, both these bugs have the info I've given, so nothing new that I see!14:13
MrChrisDruifkbhat: You could mark that your affected14:13
kbhatthanks MrChrisDruif, I marked I'm affected14:18
kbhatone more thing, how do I check memory leaks14:19
kbhatcos I can't believe I'm using 1.8 GB of my memory14:19
MrChrisDruifI don't know14:21
MrChrisDruifWhat are you running?14:21
MrChrisDruifIsn't there system-monitor around?14:21
kbhatI saw lxtask... nothing significant... firefox tops the list with 98MB14:21
MrChrisDruifAlright...14:22
kbhatarghh... I closed most programs and it did not help much14:28
MrChrisDruifHmmm...weird14:29
kbhatbut I closed gdebi-gtk and another sudo that I don't know how I started them - memory dropped 700MB14:29
kbhatstill at 1GB though... but one of these programs I killed was consuming a lot14:30
kbhatunfortunately, I don't know how to analyse mem leaks... otherwise I would trace the consumption of 1GB14:31
MrChrisDruifYou could try top or htop, preferably the latter in terminal14:32
MrChrisDruifIt gives a more detailed view14:33
MrChrisDruifOf running apps14:33
kbhatok, htop shows 192MB14:42
kbhatso I think "free" shows something else added14:42
MrChrisDruifI don't know....mind is a bit wandering about....not a real clear vision...didn't have much sleep last few days14:43
kbhat:-), I think I'll need to do a bit of reading about this in the internet14:46
MrChrisDruifProbably14:51
MrChrisDruifUndiFineD: Can you take a small look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MrChrisDruif/sandbox17:41
MrChrisDruifI'm rewriting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing a bit so it refers to files instead of precisely mentioning md5sums and file-sizes17:43
MrChrisDruifon the wiki itself17:44
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MrChrisDruifI my opinion the file-size of the iso's should be added to the md5sum.txt, but gilir said I needed to discuss it with phillw, but he didn't respond yet (probably hardware-failure). And I thought to remember you did also wiki work and I wanted some results, so I hope you could take a look at it17:49
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MrChrisDruifUndiFineD: ^17:58
UndiFineD"The third alpha of the 11.04 series is out in the wild for testing."18:23
UndiFineD"Lubuntu Natty 11.04 Beta 1 Released"18:23
UndiFineDinconsistent18:24
UndiFineDI would avoid using versions at al18:24
UndiFineDand where version specific info is needed mark it with extra care18:25
MalinaI would just avoid natty for a good while altogether UndiFineD18:30
Malinawhats strange however, is when I run this livecd of lubu 10.10 my unlocled cores work great , inlcuidn gin bencmarks but any root install , they obv. r failing grrr18:31
Malinasorry had a cig. in my hand18:31
UndiFineDMalina, this was in response to MrChrisDruif wiki work18:31
Malinaand mine was just my after-thoughts after testing installs of 2 beta installs [(k)ubuntu]18:33
Malinathe beta does indeed seem to come fast in after alpa318:33
Malinaalpha18:33
Malinaand I had nothing but bugs, so I put lubu 10.10.iso as my livece HD image18:34
Malinaalong with tinycore, dban, winpe 3.0 for W7 and a scratc hdir for a flat livecd when and if I want to install another partition but ok, that was a digression18:34
UndiFineDMalina, I know Alpha 3 has been tested, for that, people use test cases, and they did not encounter much trouble, so it was time to move to beta18:35
MalinaI admit, however since both kubu and ubu natty crashed during both installs and also the gui shell during use, I haven't tried lubuntu natty18:35
UndiFineDif you encounter trouble, file bugs18:35
Malinawell, to me it is strange then , how many bugs I encountered instantly18:35
MalinaI try but it crashes :)18:36
Malina;)18:36
MalinaKwin crashes when I try sending bug, and unity shell crap thingy also crasshes a lot but at least it instantly restarts18:36
Malinaeither way, they are a done deal, I am not moving to natty so moved to lubuntu 10.10  + arch + squeeze for a virtual server (which will move to a box in august as production serv)18:37
MalinaI might try natty when it is fully released and a bit track proven, say May18:37
Malinaby that I mean, lubuntu natty and* normal ubuntu18:37
UndiFineD:)18:37
Malina:)18:37
UndiFineDif you work on lubuntu I bet gilir could use a few extra hands18:38
Malinabut I at this very moment am playing again with the machine as I finally got all backups doen and could wipe the disk... so I put my oem ntfa partition at *end* of disk and boot a stand alone grub2 + windows boot in there.. with the recovery environment there, which my scripts auto link to a win 7 os if I install it in the logical partitions, and the same with the grub218:39
Malinaand the iso's reside on the ntfs... I alwys thought it stupid to waste those first gigs at start of disk for a recovery system pfff18:39
Malinaand for a dual system, I always was annoyed that I needed preferrably to run 2 partitions, one 'win' and one 'linux' to hold boot stuff.. entriely pointless18:39
Malinaagain, this is digressive ramble lol18:40
Malinasorry18:40
Malinafor what UndiFineD ?18:40
MalinaI am not* trying the lubuntu natty if you meant for bug testing?18:40
Malinasorry, natty didn't impress me so far,  in fact, made me move away from *ubuntu (except the lubuntu 10.10 as it is a very nice combo of .deb + lightweight) :)18:41
UndiFineDlubuntu is made by a very few people, and they can use help everywhere18:41
Malinawell.... I *lose* my 'rights' on *buntu when I compile my own packages , eg. the kernel..18:41
Malinaso not sure how well I would fit... I like to recompile some things like FF / kernel with my specific optimisation flags18:42
Malinawell the natty kernel is ok and I wouldn't need ot do it with that one, I admit18:42
Malinabut still.. I want to be able to repackage a bit without getting slappe on the hand tbh18:43
Malinaso I ventured to arch... and tbh, darn it's fast, modular and very much your own way of thinking.. BUT unlike*ubu/debian it lacks a lot of finesse of course inthe total shell of it (shell here meaning as in shellhouse, , it needs patching, configruring and security adjustments)18:44
Malinabut UndiFineD , I am these days, doing testing on dual boot windows solutions (I have to, as it's part of what i do) and also well past weeks lost myself from ubuntu (due to natty() and am testign a bit.. but when I am back on irc more stable-like, I will happily ad dmyself here at least18:45
UndiFineDI do not live to maintain my system, I rather pick my fight at its roots18:45
Malinaadd*18:45
Malinaaaah, LFS I see18:45
Malinayesh? ;)18:45
Malina(joke)18:45
UndiFineDI used to play with LFS18:45
Malinaye, it can be fun18:46
UndiFineDbut ... it is a lot of work to get a blfs and maintain it18:46
UndiFineDI think it is very educational18:47
UndiFineDbut not for production use18:47
Malinaand I agree..linux has always been the choice of meddling around in one's box.. thus it has two paradigmes one could say: 'to those who needs things t get things done aka stability and [performance/ease of use], and choice of configuring/hardening/customising one's own box for education/security/customised desires18:47
Malinawindows only does the former18:47
Malinaof cuorse not, I agree with you entirely18:48
Malinathe only way LFS can go production, is in fact becming a true distro really18:48
Malinasure.. one could keep it static, meaning it would outdate, lock it down, hell, not even need a package manager.. and try and hammer out all bugs...18:48
UndiFineDthey have hints on package management18:48
Malinabut if one wants it to be out of such a shell and production in the real world and update stuff even, it's obvious this is why distros exist which are an extension of that18:49
MalinaYe, I know UndiFineD  :)18:49
Malinain fact, I was wondering if the smart package manager could be used as a stand alone packing manager18:49
Malinaif so, could be nice tu put on top of a lfs18:50
UndiFineDmaybe, but this is mostly LFS and we are in #lubuntu18:50
Malinaso thuis, we can not speak about general things?18:53
Malina:)18:53
UndiFineDyes we can :)18:54
Malina:)18:54
Malinalfs is an educational project, more thana nanything, it's not like some 'direct rival' as the many linuces feel about the many distros :D18:54
Malinawhat did you use before lubuntu?18:54
Malinaand if you did ubuntu, than before that , if any?18:55
Malinaor rather, any other wm's/de's?18:55
Malinawell anyway, why I decided I will probvably keep lubuntu 10.10 only as my livecd (ah yes, along with puppy.. and tinycore for testing).. is because if I wish to stay to 10.10 I think I have to start pinning packages to avoid updates?18:57
UndiFineDI am still using Ubuntu, but I think Lubuntu is doing great work, which should be supported too19:03
UndiFineDbefore that I have tried so many distros19:03
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Malinaye19:21
Malinawell, the thing is19:22
Malinato me, say distro / ldistro, should be headless + putting fluxbox lxde etc19:22
Malinaon say19:22
Malinait shouldn't need* like a full on distro fork19:22
Malinahowever*, having said that, for each wm/de say, things break or some configration which is different is necessary and this is where such things come in.. people maintaining *for* you19:23
Malinaso again, these distros are great for former paradimge: 'it just works'19:23
Malinaand lubuntu 10.10 is a great nice light weight distro19:23
Malinabut all the ubuntus are a fork of debian, and configuring a wm on top I think is not really a full distro as such19:24
Malinaheadless ubuntu + apt-get install some-wm = one distro... flavours however, in linux these days, get tagged as a 'distro'19:25
MalinaI don't really see it as such myself19:25
Malinabut if you want a proper systme where you , yourself dig in and make sure all works... then you are ultimately going rather for a hardened ubunt server base say, installing the X/wm you need and then you yourself make sure all configurations are according to your wishes and desires19:26
Malinaand the repositories or how your own compiled binaries, fit into this systme of yours, define a distro...19:26
UndiFineDwell that is the thing, in the past people could maintain all those WM, but today these have become so large and diverse that a single WM and all related items to it consume so much time19:28
Malinaso I would go as far a calling ubuntu a fork of debian and *ubuntus flavours of that.. so like an umbrella where the handle is debian, stem is ubuntu (eg those two as servers benchmark well this), and the spindles out making the umbrella are the *buntus19:28
Malinasure.. Im not saying lubuntu, kubuntu, or xubuntu shouldn't exist as they do.. everythign always persists for a reasons19:28
Malinabut* I am just saying, the words soemtimes are not so accurate, like 'distros' and maintenance-flavours19:29
Malinawhich again, often when a gorup says, OK we shall maintain this direction/flavour, also during updates, decide how the pre-configured systme stands, (which packages bla bla) for anyone who know slinux, one knows all these things can be uninstalled, removed., adjusted, added, reocmpiled, bla bla... its for the novice users , that WYSIWYG installations exist, and also for convenience (to them) call themselves 'distros'19:30
Malinain the strcitest sense, ubuntu would hardly be even a fork but a flavour of debian, I'd say19:31
Malinaeither way, it is the de facto standard of today to call maintenance-flavours for distros and well, no worries19:32
Malinathere are many loosely defining words we use in our language and not everythign has to be in practical terms as defined as in theoretical terms :)19:33
MalinaAH CRAP... have to lock my cores again and boot into disk, and sort out sopcast or veetle!!!! gotta watch my rivals LOSE hopefully! :P19:34
Malinacatch ya aruond19:34
uofm49426can i post a problem with listen that i added to lubuntu20:22
bioterroryou can share your problem with us20:22
ericyGo.20:23
uofm49426when a song goes to the next song . it act's like its playing20:24
uofm49426but nothing but a little fuz20:25
uofm49426i stop the song and manually push play it starts playing20:25
uofm49426understand what im trying to say20:26
uofm49426is it a gstreamer problem or listen20:27
ericyuofm49426:  Yes, I understand.  What software are you running? And are you playing from CD or mp3 files?20:27
uofm49426mp3 wma20:28
uofm49426lubuntu 10.1020:28
ericyuofm49426:  What software player are you using?20:28
uofm49426listen20:29
uofm49426aqualung is just not a good media player you have to make a play list buy adding single songs20:30
uofm49426or atlest i dont know how to make it show all my music20:30
uofm49426sound like a electrical static weird noise20:32
uofm49426but if i stop the song play again the song its fine20:33
uofm49426but when it goes on to next song it back to doing it again20:33
uofm49426ubuntu should make should make a video program so you can record whats going on20:35
ericyuofm49426:  I was having that problem with Aqualung, today. While playing  a playlist of internet radio stations.20:35
ericyuofm49426:  You can add a directory of audio files, to the active playlist.20:36
uofm49426launchpad should take videos if you cant get a error me20:37
uofm49426idea i wonder if i run it in termal if it will see what happening20:38
uofm49426hey can i paste this to someone20:42
szczur!pastebin | uofm4942620:43
ubot5uofm49426: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.20:43
uofm49426warning player fadebin.streambin ala2f2c   mp3 already blocked20:44
uofm49426thats the short version20:45
ericyuofm49426:  OK.20:46
uofm49426a68ee3c stream " file:///home/my name/file.mp320:48
uofm49426http://paste.ubuntu.com/589868/20:58
uofm49426ok there is what its doing20:58
uofm49426lubuntu-restricted addons extra is there a difference between ubuntus and xubuntu21:04
uofm49426ok i uninstalled ubuntu resticted  and installed lubuntu restricted on something wierd happened21:07
leszekhi21:08
uofm49426ever song i started to play keep playing so im listening to skillet i hade monster ,awake and live, and its not me its you playing at the sametime in same player21:10
uofm49426every song i started to play keep playing so im listening to skillet i hade monster ,awake and live, and its not me its you playing at the same time in same player21:11
carohello21:13
caroi have a problem copying the screen21:13
caronothing happens when pressing the prtscrn touch21:13
caroon a dell laptop21:13
carois there some tool to copy the screen in some other way ?21:14
ericycaro:  Yes, in a terminal run scrot.  man scrot21:14
carook i will try21:15
caromerci ericy21:15
ericy   Question -- How can I get a configuration file to be re-loaded (without having to re-boot)? My top panel disappeared. (/home/user/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/top  filelength became 0)  I copied "top" from a backup (file length = 2.9 KB.21:22
uofm49426going to try exaile21:24
Unit193ericy: killall xfce4-panel21:26
ericyUnit193:  OK, I will try it.21:27
uofm49426exaile don't have the same problem ericy would be a good option for lubuntu 11.0421:28
Unit193ericy: Then alt+f2and run: xfce4-panel21:28
Unit193I need to "sudo updatedb && locate my mp3 player" ;)21:30
ericyUnit193:  Because of this problem my alt-f2 is not working (I had all of my controls on the top panel) My bottom panel only has switcher bar and destop switcher.21:30
ericyUnit193:  I am running Lubuntu 10.10, and I don't think I have xfce installed!21:32
Unit193ericy: Doesn't work after killall xfce4-panel?21:32
Unit193Crap!.... was still thinking #xubuntu...21:32
Unit193killall lxpanel21:33
Unit193then run: lxpanel --profile Lubuntu21:33
ericyUnit193:  Ok, I killall-ed the lxpanel (and my bottom panel is now disappeared).21:34
ericyUnit193:  Can I run it in a terminal also?21:35
Unit193Sure, but I don't know if you can close it after...21:35
ericyUnit193:  ...that's my point.21:36
Unit193ericy: Grrr.... You can do lxpanelctl restart... but only if it's running (still looking to do it another way)21:48
ericyUnit193:  Well, actually I will be going to bed soon (it's 03:50 AM here). I will either suspend or shutdown. I won't need any more help on it. Thanks so much.21:51
ericyUnit193:  Oh, my panels are much better now. Thanks.21:52
Unit193ericy: You can logout then back in (that's what I just did..)21:58
ericyUnit193: Do you mean as a method to restart my desktop & panels ?22:04
Unit193ericy: Yeah, that worked for me (next time just use lxpanelctl restart)22:15

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