[00:17] <uofm49426> how do i add windows xp to the grub 2 in lubuntu it didnt put it in buy default
[00:24] <szczur> uofm49426, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#Windows%20partition%20does%20not%20show%20up%20in%20GRUB
[00:25] <uofm49426> install os-prober. then sudo update grub
[00:25] <szczur> yup
[05:32] <UBuxuBU> good morning lubuntu engineers.
[05:33]  * Unit193 is just a random user
[05:33] <Unit193> But hello UBuxuBU!
[05:33]  * UBuxuBU nods to use...
[05:33] <UBuxuBU> its  ok man
[08:07] <jayant> hi all
[08:09] <jayant> I want to add kalarm to start during startup. On the application's settings the start at login button is checked. But it doesn't start when i boot my system. Can somebody help me with that please.
[14:00] <kbhat> hello All
[14:00] <kbhat> I'm testing Lubuntu 11.04 beta1
[14:01] <kbhat> I see no icons for nm-applet and my dropbox client in the notification area
[14:01] <MrChrisDruif> nm-applet?
[14:01] <bioterror> network manager
[14:01] <MrChrisDruif> Network?
[14:01] <MrChrisDruif> Ahh...that's a known bug
[14:01] <kbhat> yes, network
[14:01] <MrChrisDruif> (We might need to put it on the wiki/mailing-list)
[14:02] <MrChrisDruif> And dropbox I'm not sure
[14:02] <MrChrisDruif> Have you got indicators installed/added to the panel?
[14:02] <MrChrisDruif> I'm not sure why Lubuntu doesn't use them by default...was told to me yesterday, but I forgot
[14:03] <MrChrisDruif> (I'll check my logs)
[14:04] <kbhat> if its a known bug then I'm fine... was just asking
[14:04] <kbhat> I'm not sure how I need to check "indicators installed/added to the panel"
[14:05] <kbhat> forgot to mention that my "Volume control" and XChat icons appear fine
[14:06] <kbhat> and also the wx python demo app icon appears just fine
[14:08] <kbhat> if the existing bug requires additional info, please let me know... if its already been nailed down, then ignore my question... I can easily wait for the next build
[14:09]  * MrChrisDruif looking
[14:10] <MrChrisDruif> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libappindicator/+bug/741385 & https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libappindicator/+bug/746495 <= for the network icon
[14:13] <MrChrisDruif> kbhat: (01:07:05 AM) gilir: the implementation of indicators is not good enough for now in Lubuntu <= reason why they aren't turned on by default in Lubuntu
[14:13] <kbhat> thanks guys, both these bugs have the info I've given, so nothing new that I see!
[14:13] <MrChrisDruif> kbhat: You could mark that your affected
[14:18] <kbhat> thanks MrChrisDruif, I marked I'm affected
[14:19] <kbhat> one more thing, how do I check memory leaks
[14:19] <kbhat> cos I can't believe I'm using 1.8 GB of my memory
[14:21] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know
[14:21] <MrChrisDruif> What are you running?
[14:21] <MrChrisDruif> Isn't there system-monitor around?
[14:21] <kbhat> I saw lxtask... nothing significant... firefox tops the list with 98MB
[14:22] <MrChrisDruif> Alright...
[14:28] <kbhat> arghh... I closed most programs and it did not help much
[14:29] <MrChrisDruif> Hmmm...weird
[14:29] <kbhat> but I closed gdebi-gtk and another sudo that I don't know how I started them - memory dropped 700MB
[14:30] <kbhat> still at 1GB though... but one of these programs I killed was consuming a lot
[14:31] <kbhat> unfortunately, I don't know how to analyse mem leaks... otherwise I would trace the consumption of 1GB
[14:32] <MrChrisDruif> You could try top or htop, preferably the latter in terminal
[14:33] <MrChrisDruif> It gives a more detailed view
[14:33] <MrChrisDruif> Of running apps
[14:42] <kbhat> ok, htop shows 192MB
[14:42] <kbhat> so I think "free" shows something else added
[14:43] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know....mind is a bit wandering about....not a real clear vision...didn't have much sleep last few days
[14:46] <kbhat> :-), I think I'll need to do a bit of reading about this in the internet
[14:51] <MrChrisDruif> Probably
[17:41] <MrChrisDruif> UndiFineD: Can you take a small look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MrChrisDruif/sandbox
[17:43] <MrChrisDruif> I'm rewriting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing a bit so it refers to files instead of precisely mentioning md5sums and file-sizes
[17:44] <MrChrisDruif> on the wiki itself
[17:49] <MrChrisDruif> I my opinion the file-size of the iso's should be added to the md5sum.txt, but gilir said I needed to discuss it with phillw, but he didn't respond yet (probably hardware-failure). And I thought to remember you did also wiki work and I wanted some results, so I hope you could take a look at it
[17:58] <MrChrisDruif> UndiFineD: ^
[18:23] <UndiFineD> "The third alpha of the 11.04 series is out in the wild for testing."
[18:23] <UndiFineD> "Lubuntu Natty 11.04 Beta 1 Released"
[18:24] <UndiFineD> inconsistent
[18:24] <UndiFineD> I would avoid using versions at al
[18:25] <UndiFineD> and where version specific info is needed mark it with extra care
[18:30] <Malina> I would just avoid natty for a good while altogether UndiFineD
[18:31] <Malina> whats strange however, is when I run this livecd of lubu 10.10 my unlocled cores work great , inlcuidn gin bencmarks but any root install , they obv. r failing grrr
[18:31] <Malina> sorry had a cig. in my hand
[18:31] <UndiFineD> Malina, this was in response to MrChrisDruif wiki work
[18:33] <Malina> and mine was just my after-thoughts after testing installs of 2 beta installs [(k)ubuntu]
[18:33] <Malina> the beta does indeed seem to come fast in after alpa3
[18:33] <Malina> alpha
[18:34] <Malina> and I had nothing but bugs, so I put lubu 10.10.iso as my livece HD image
[18:34] <Malina> along with tinycore, dban, winpe 3.0 for W7 and a scratc hdir for a flat livecd when and if I want to install another partition but ok, that was a digression
[18:35] <UndiFineD> Malina, I know Alpha 3 has been tested, for that, people use test cases, and they did not encounter much trouble, so it was time to move to beta
[18:35] <Malina> I admit, however since both kubu and ubu natty crashed during both installs and also the gui shell during use, I haven't tried lubuntu natty
[18:35] <UndiFineD> if you encounter trouble, file bugs
[18:35] <Malina> well, to me it is strange then , how many bugs I encountered instantly
[18:36] <Malina> I try but it crashes :)
[18:36] <Malina> ;)
[18:36] <Malina> Kwin crashes when I try sending bug, and unity shell crap thingy also crasshes a lot but at least it instantly restarts
[18:37] <Malina> either way, they are a done deal, I am not moving to natty so moved to lubuntu 10.10  + arch + squeeze for a virtual server (which will move to a box in august as production serv)
[18:37] <Malina> I might try natty when it is fully released and a bit track proven, say May
[18:37] <Malina> by that I mean, lubuntu natty and* normal ubuntu
[18:37] <UndiFineD> :)
[18:37] <Malina> :)
[18:38] <UndiFineD> if you work on lubuntu I bet gilir could use a few extra hands
[18:39] <Malina> but I at this very moment am playing again with the machine as I finally got all backups doen and could wipe the disk... so I put my oem ntfa partition at *end* of disk and boot a stand alone grub2 + windows boot in there.. with the recovery environment there, which my scripts auto link to a win 7 os if I install it in the logical partitions, and the same with the grub2
[18:39] <Malina> and the iso's reside on the ntfs... I alwys thought it stupid to waste those first gigs at start of disk for a recovery system pfff
[18:39] <Malina> and for a dual system, I always was annoyed that I needed preferrably to run 2 partitions, one 'win' and one 'linux' to hold boot stuff.. entriely pointless
[18:40] <Malina> again, this is digressive ramble lol
[18:40] <Malina> sorry
[18:40] <Malina> for what UndiFineD ?
[18:40] <Malina> I am not* trying the lubuntu natty if you meant for bug testing?
[18:41] <Malina> sorry, natty didn't impress me so far,  in fact, made me move away from *ubuntu (except the lubuntu 10.10 as it is a very nice combo of .deb + lightweight) :)
[18:41] <UndiFineD> lubuntu is made by a very few people, and they can use help everywhere
[18:41] <Malina> well.... I *lose* my 'rights' on *buntu when I compile my own packages , eg. the kernel..
[18:42] <Malina> so not sure how well I would fit... I like to recompile some things like FF / kernel with my specific optimisation flags
[18:42] <Malina> well the natty kernel is ok and I wouldn't need ot do it with that one, I admit
[18:43] <Malina> but still.. I want to be able to repackage a bit without getting slappe on the hand tbh
[18:44] <Malina> so I ventured to arch... and tbh, darn it's fast, modular and very much your own way of thinking.. BUT unlike*ubu/debian it lacks a lot of finesse of course inthe total shell of it (shell here meaning as in shellhouse, , it needs patching, configruring and security adjustments)
[18:45] <Malina> but UndiFineD , I am these days, doing testing on dual boot windows solutions (I have to, as it's part of what i do) and also well past weeks lost myself from ubuntu (due to natty() and am testign a bit.. but when I am back on irc more stable-like, I will happily ad dmyself here at least
[18:45] <UndiFineD> I do not live to maintain my system, I rather pick my fight at its roots
[18:45] <Malina> add*
[18:45] <Malina> aaah, LFS I see
[18:45] <Malina> yesh? ;)
[18:45] <Malina> (joke)
[18:45] <UndiFineD> I used to play with LFS
[18:46] <Malina> ye, it can be fun
[18:46] <UndiFineD> but ... it is a lot of work to get a blfs and maintain it
[18:47] <UndiFineD> I think it is very educational
[18:47] <UndiFineD> but not for production use
[18:47] <Malina> and I agree..linux has always been the choice of meddling around in one's box.. thus it has two paradigmes one could say: 'to those who needs things t get things done aka stability and [performance/ease of use], and choice of configuring/hardening/customising one's own box for education/security/customised desires
[18:47] <Malina> windows only does the former
[18:48] <Malina> of cuorse not, I agree with you entirely
[18:48] <Malina> the only way LFS can go production, is in fact becming a true distro really
[18:48] <Malina> sure.. one could keep it static, meaning it would outdate, lock it down, hell, not even need a package manager.. and try and hammer out all bugs...
[18:48] <UndiFineD> they have hints on package management
[18:49] <Malina> but if one wants it to be out of such a shell and production in the real world and update stuff even, it's obvious this is why distros exist which are an extension of that
[18:49] <Malina> Ye, I know UndiFineD  :)
[18:49] <Malina> in fact, I was wondering if the smart package manager could be used as a stand alone packing manager
[18:50] <Malina> if so, could be nice tu put on top of a lfs
[18:50] <UndiFineD> maybe, but this is mostly LFS and we are in #lubuntu
[18:53] <Malina> so thuis, we can not speak about general things?
[18:53] <Malina> :)
[18:54] <UndiFineD> yes we can :)
[18:54] <Malina> :)
[18:54] <Malina> lfs is an educational project, more thana nanything, it's not like some 'direct rival' as the many linuces feel about the many distros :D
[18:54] <Malina> what did you use before lubuntu?
[18:55] <Malina> and if you did ubuntu, than before that , if any?
[18:55] <Malina> or rather, any other wm's/de's?
[18:57] <Malina> well anyway, why I decided I will probvably keep lubuntu 10.10 only as my livecd (ah yes, along with puppy.. and tinycore for testing).. is because if I wish to stay to 10.10 I think I have to start pinning packages to avoid updates?
[19:03] <UndiFineD> I am still using Ubuntu, but I think Lubuntu is doing great work, which should be supported too
[19:03] <UndiFineD> before that I have tried so many distros
[19:21] <Malina> ye
[19:22] <Malina> well, the thing is
[19:22] <Malina> to me, say distro / ldistro, should be headless + putting fluxbox lxde etc
[19:22] <Malina> on say
[19:22] <Malina> it shouldn't need* like a full on distro fork
[19:23] <Malina> however*, having said that, for each wm/de say, things break or some configration which is different is necessary and this is where such things come in.. people maintaining *for* you
[19:23] <Malina> so again, these distros are great for former paradimge: 'it just works'
[19:23] <Malina> and lubuntu 10.10 is a great nice light weight distro
[19:24] <Malina> but all the ubuntus are a fork of debian, and configuring a wm on top I think is not really a full distro as such
[19:25] <Malina> headless ubuntu + apt-get install some-wm = one distro... flavours however, in linux these days, get tagged as a 'distro'
[19:25] <Malina> I don't really see it as such myself
[19:26] <Malina> but if you want a proper systme where you , yourself dig in and make sure all works... then you are ultimately going rather for a hardened ubunt server base say, installing the X/wm you need and then you yourself make sure all configurations are according to your wishes and desires
[19:26] <Malina> and the repositories or how your own compiled binaries, fit into this systme of yours, define a distro...
[19:28] <UndiFineD> well that is the thing, in the past people could maintain all those WM, but today these have become so large and diverse that a single WM and all related items to it consume so much time
[19:28] <Malina> so I would go as far a calling ubuntu a fork of debian and *ubuntus flavours of that.. so like an umbrella where the handle is debian, stem is ubuntu (eg those two as servers benchmark well this), and the spindles out making the umbrella are the *buntus
[19:28] <Malina> sure.. Im not saying lubuntu, kubuntu, or xubuntu shouldn't exist as they do.. everythign always persists for a reasons
[19:29] <Malina> but* I am just saying, the words soemtimes are not so accurate, like 'distros' and maintenance-flavours
[19:30] <Malina> which again, often when a gorup says, OK we shall maintain this direction/flavour, also during updates, decide how the pre-configured systme stands, (which packages bla bla) for anyone who know slinux, one knows all these things can be uninstalled, removed., adjusted, added, reocmpiled, bla bla... its for the novice users , that WYSIWYG installations exist, and also for convenience (to them) call themselves 'distros'
[19:31] <Malina> in the strcitest sense, ubuntu would hardly be even a fork but a flavour of debian, I'd say
[19:32] <Malina> either way, it is the de facto standard of today to call maintenance-flavours for distros and well, no worries
[19:33] <Malina> there are many loosely defining words we use in our language and not everythign has to be in practical terms as defined as in theoretical terms :)
[19:34] <Malina> AH CRAP... have to lock my cores again and boot into disk, and sort out sopcast or veetle!!!! gotta watch my rivals LOSE hopefully! :P
[19:34] <Malina> catch ya aruond
[20:22] <uofm49426> can i post a problem with listen that i added to lubuntu
[20:22] <bioterror> you can share your problem with us
[20:23] <ericy> Go.
[20:24] <uofm49426> when a song goes to the next song . it act's like its playing
[20:25] <uofm49426> but nothing but a little fuz
[20:25] <uofm49426> i stop the song and manually push play it starts playing
[20:26] <uofm49426> understand what im trying to say
[20:27] <uofm49426> is it a gstreamer problem or listen
[20:27] <ericy> uofm49426:  Yes, I understand.  What software are you running? And are you playing from CD or mp3 files?
[20:28] <uofm49426> mp3 wma
[20:28] <uofm49426> lubuntu 10.10
[20:28] <ericy> uofm49426:  What software player are you using?
[20:29] <uofm49426> listen
[20:30] <uofm49426> aqualung is just not a good media player you have to make a play list buy adding single songs
[20:30] <uofm49426> or atlest i dont know how to make it show all my music
[20:32] <uofm49426> sound like a electrical static weird noise
[20:33] <uofm49426> but if i stop the song play again the song its fine
[20:33] <uofm49426> but when it goes on to next song it back to doing it again
[20:35] <uofm49426> ubuntu should make should make a video program so you can record whats going on
[20:35] <ericy> uofm49426:  I was having that problem with Aqualung, today. While playing  a playlist of internet radio stations.
[20:36] <ericy> uofm49426:  You can add a directory of audio files, to the active playlist.
[20:37] <uofm49426> launchpad should take videos if you cant get a error me
[20:38] <uofm49426> idea i wonder if i run it in termal if it will see what happening
[20:42] <uofm49426> hey can i paste this to someone
[20:43] <szczur> !pastebin | uofm49426
[20:44] <uofm49426> warning player fadebin.streambin ala2f2c   mp3 already blocked
[20:45] <uofm49426> thats the short version
[20:46] <ericy> uofm49426:  OK.
[20:48] <uofm49426> a68ee3c stream " file:///home/my name/file.mp3
[20:58] <uofm49426> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589868/
[20:58] <uofm49426> ok there is what its doing
[21:04] <uofm49426> lubuntu-restricted addons extra is there a difference between ubuntus and xubuntu
[21:07] <uofm49426> ok i uninstalled ubuntu resticted  and installed lubuntu restricted on something wierd happened
[21:08] <leszek> hi
[21:10] <uofm49426> ever song i started to play keep playing so im listening to skillet i hade monster ,awake and live, and its not me its you playing at the sametime in same player
[21:11] <uofm49426> every song i started to play keep playing so im listening to skillet i hade monster ,awake and live, and its not me its you playing at the same time in same player
[21:13] <caro> hello
[21:13] <caro> i have a problem copying the screen
[21:13] <caro> nothing happens when pressing the prtscrn touch
[21:13] <caro> on a dell laptop
[21:14] <caro> is there some tool to copy the screen in some other way ?
[21:14] <ericy> caro:  Yes, in a terminal run scrot.  man scrot
[21:15] <caro> ok i will try
[21:15] <caro> merci ericy
[21:22] <ericy>    Question -- How can I get a configuration file to be re-loaded (without having to re-boot)? My top panel disappeared. (/home/user/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/top  filelength became 0)  I copied "top" from a backup (file length = 2.9 KB.
[21:24] <uofm49426> going to try exaile
[21:26] <Unit193> ericy: killall xfce4-panel
[21:27] <ericy> Unit193:  OK, I will try it.
[21:28] <uofm49426> exaile don't have the same problem ericy would be a good option for lubuntu 11.04
[21:28] <Unit193> ericy: Then alt+f2and run: xfce4-panel
[21:30] <Unit193> I need to "sudo updatedb && locate my mp3 player" ;)
[21:30] <ericy> Unit193:  Because of this problem my alt-f2 is not working (I had all of my controls on the top panel) My bottom panel only has switcher bar and destop switcher.
[21:32] <ericy> Unit193:  I am running Lubuntu 10.10, and I don't think I have xfce installed!
[21:32] <Unit193> ericy: Doesn't work after killall xfce4-panel?
[21:32] <Unit193> Crap!.... was still thinking #xubuntu...
[21:33] <Unit193> killall lxpanel
[21:33] <Unit193> then run: lxpanel --profile Lubuntu
[21:34] <ericy> Unit193:  Ok, I killall-ed the lxpanel (and my bottom panel is now disappeared).
[21:35] <ericy> Unit193:  Can I run it in a terminal also?
[21:35] <Unit193> Sure, but I don't know if you can close it after...
[21:36] <ericy> Unit193:  ...that's my point.
[21:48] <Unit193> ericy: Grrr.... You can do lxpanelctl restart... but only if it's running (still looking to do it another way)
[21:51] <ericy> Unit193:  Well, actually I will be going to bed soon (it's 03:50 AM here). I will either suspend or shutdown. I won't need any more help on it. Thanks so much.
[21:52] <ericy> Unit193:  Oh, my panels are much better now. Thanks.
[21:58] <Unit193> ericy: You can logout then back in (that's what I just did..)
[22:04] <ericy> Unit193: Do you mean as a method to restart my desktop & panels ?
[22:15] <Unit193> ericy: Yeah, that worked for me (next time just use lxpanelctl restart)