[00:00] <nemo> unity AFAIK made compiz non-optional, so you can't just switch to not composited
[00:00] <amx109> ah
[00:00] <robin0800> nemo you can use unity 2d though
[00:00] <nemo> robin0800: ah. well. you tell amx how to try that :-p
[00:00] <amx109> oh
[00:01] <amx109> yes robin0800 i think i just got unity 2d
[00:01] <nemo> robin0800: does it get rid of that ghastly shadow that slows down moving windows around?
[00:01] <amx109> it was automagic nemo
[00:01] <nemo> cool
[00:01] <nemo> well The More You Know
[00:02] <amx109> thanks for the help though nemo
[00:02] <amx109> atleast i have something usable now
[00:02] <amx109> ill work on unity+fgrlx
[00:03] <nemo> might not work w/ your older card is all
[00:03] <nemo> amx109: for example, on my windows XP test machine w/ nvidia 120M...
[00:04] <nemo> amx109: Before firefox blacklisted it just before release, I'd get such black squares throughout their new accelerated interface
[00:04] <nemo> amx109: but, not if I disabled all effects in XP!
[00:04] <nemo> and you know, XP does not have a lot of effects :)
[00:04] <amx109> nemo, nice..
[00:04] <nemo> amx109: perhaps you can do something similar-ish w/ CCSM
[00:04] <amx109> my card is only a year or two old though
[00:05] <nemo> amx109: I know I had bad results from enabling gaussian blur w/ older fglrx, but the one natty uses seems to have finally fixed that on my card
[00:05] <nemo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]
[00:05] <nemo> amx109: also fixes some crashers in ati's shader compilation that were screwing up webgl demos :)
[00:06] <thiebaude> how do i install the ubutnu default drivers in the terminal?
[00:06] <nemo> amx109: BTW, you might want to add MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 to profiles.d  :)
[00:06] <amx109> ahar
[00:06] <nemo> thiebaude: not sure what you mean
[00:07] <thiebaude> i use the nvidia drivers but i just want to use the drivers ubuntu uses
[00:07] <amx109> nemo, i have a Radeon HD 4850
[00:07] <thiebaude> my system is borked,lol
[00:07] <nemo> thiebaude: welll, could just set it in xorg.conf I guess...
[00:08] <thiebaude> thanks nemo :)
[00:08] <nemo> thiebaude: here's my basic http://m8y.org/tmp/xorg.conf
[00:08] <nemo> thiebaude: you could probably comment out the entire monitor and screen sections
[00:08] <frankwe> thiebaude: you can use jockey-text to remove the nividia driver
[00:08] <nemo> thiebaude: and just leave a "device" section
[00:08] <frankwe> (see jockey-text --help)
[00:08] <nemo> oh. that sounds better :)
[00:08] <nemo> do what he said :-p
[00:08] <thiebaude> ok frankwe
[00:08] <thiebaude> :)
[00:09] <thiebaude> the problem is when i install 11.04 it installs nvidia
[00:09] <amx109> nemo, where do i find this profiles.d?
[00:09] <thiebaude> frankwe, what would be the full command for that in a terminal?
[00:10] <nemo> amx109: try MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox
[00:10] <nemo> first
[00:10] <nemo> then try a few webgl demos like, oh, no comply say, on hacks.mozilla.org
[00:10] <frankwe> thiebaude: unity won't work with the nouveau driver unless you install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental (or choose Experimental 3D support for NVIDIA cards ) in jockey (but that doesn't always show up in jockey for me)
[00:10] <nemo> or anything on planet-webgl.org
[00:10] <nemo> amx109: or planetbuster.no-ip.org/
[00:10] <amx109> nemo, thanks
[00:11] <nemo> if they work without crashing, you might want to enable it systemwide
[00:11] <nemo> amx109: they blacklisted a lot of drivers in linux that worked just fine because of how linux does driver ID
[00:11] <amx109> nemo, ah, i see
[00:11] <frankwe> thiebaude: does 'jockey-text -l' show you the nouveau driver?
[00:11] <thiebaude> bug 725434
[00:11] <nemo> amx109: they were getting crashes just querying to create context. so they had to do a stripped down version of what compiz does.
[00:11] <thiebaude> very high ram usage
[00:12] <nemo> amx109: basically, run a stripped down glxinfo - it'll be in Firefox 5 in a few months
[00:12] <nemo> amx109: ooh. or google's body browser - that's a popular webgl demo too
[00:12] <ubntuguy> I'm just going to install ubuntu 11.04. I will still get the regular updates right
[00:12] <nemo> tons of stuff out there
[00:16] <thiebaude> frankwe, i'll prob just want to use gnome-classic-no effects, so i want not need the nvidia drivers
[00:16] <thiebaude> would not
[00:17] <frankwe> TheTinyToon_: or unity-2d
[00:17] <frankwe> thiebaude: ^^ sorry
[00:17] <thiebaude> np
[00:17] <thiebaude> i might have to re-install cos i cant get into the desktop
[00:17] <amx109> nemo, finally found an appropriate bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/748137
[00:18] <amx109> nemo, looks like unity 2d until ati release a driver that works with the latest kernel. same old, same old
[00:18] <marcster> heading out - thanks for the help
[00:18] <thiebaude> the problem i have is when i install ubuntu it install the nvidia drivers during installation
[00:19] <thiebaude> installs
[00:19] <amx109> nemo, i take that back. lots of info in the bug report though
[00:20] <amx109> nemo, again, thanks for the help!
[00:28] <Ubuntuguy> I have an issue
[00:28] <Ubuntuguy> My computer poped up the ubuntu 11.04 update
[00:28] <Ubuntuguy> so I just let it roll
[00:30] <Ubuntuguy> midway through it, it gave me an error message, something about firmware, but it finished the update, sort-a it lasted another 3 seconds which was strange. So I restart my computer and nothing changed, I see have my same old gnome 2 desktop and no unity, but it claims that ubuntu 11.04 was installd, can someone give me an answer to this strnage issue?
[00:30] <amx109> Ubuntuguy, have you tried a system update since?
[00:31] <Ubuntuguy> Yeah, there's no update, I just looked for one
[00:31] <amx109> have you tried logging in as a newly created user?
[00:31] <amx109> does that give you unity?
[00:32] <Ubuntuguy> No other user
[00:32] <Ubuntuguy> and my computer has 3d btw
[00:32] <Ubuntuguy> how can I check the version of ubuntu I'm running?
[00:32] <amx109> good question. i cant remember
[00:32] <Ubuntuguy> Because this is strange
[00:32] <frankwe> Ubuntuguy:  did you choose 'ubuntu' on loggin in?
[00:33] <Ubuntuguy> ubuntu is my only operating system
[00:33] <amx109> Ubuntuguy, in a terminal type 'cat /etc/issue'
[00:33] <frankwe> Ubuntuguy: I mean the ubuntu login screen
[00:34] <frankwe> there you can select the session type. and unity is now called 'ubuntu'
[00:34] <Ubuntuguy> I'll log off and log bakc on
[00:34] <Ubuntuguy> back on
[00:34] <Ubuntuguy> brb
[00:35] <Ubuntuguy> Nope
[00:35] <frankwe> Ubuntuguy: still the same?
[00:35] <Ubuntuguy> But my computer claims I'm running ubuntu 10.10, but I know I just installed 11.04, and it told me that it completed installation
[00:35] <Ubuntuguy> yeah
[00:35] <Ubuntuguy> No option for "Ubuntu"
[00:36] <Ubuntuguy> How can I be 100% sure
[00:36] <amx109> Ubuntuguy, try doing "update-manager -d" again, from a terminal
[00:36] <amx109> Ubuntuguy, if it says you can upgrade to 11.04 beta, just go with it (again)
[00:37] <Ubuntuguy> I see ubuntu 11.04, AGAIN  mind you, but I also got this error message
[00:37] <Ubuntuguy> Not all updates could be installed
[00:37] <Ubuntuguy> somethign abotu partial
[00:37] <Ubuntuguy> upgrade
[00:37] <Ubuntuguy> about*
[00:38] <Ubuntuguy> I'll take screen shot
[00:39] <Ubuntuguy> In the mean time
[00:39] <Ubuntuguy> can you tell me what
[00:39] <Ubuntuguy> firmware is
[00:39] <Ubuntuguy> ANd how I could get it
[00:39] <amx109> fimware is something akin to software but for "microchips"
[00:40] <amx109> chips need firmware to run. some chips need firmware loading almost everytime they run. i know the linux kernel maybe/sometimes has firmware in its drivers for certain chips
[00:41] <amx109> im not sure its something you could affect
[00:41] <Ubuntuguy> OH, so I can't install it
[00:41] <amx109> i'd try to upgrade to 11.04 from the update manager
[00:41] <amx109> and if it still keeps failing, log a bug report with as much info as possible
[00:41] <penguin42> Ubuntuguy: Some of the firmware is in packages (e.g. the linux-firmware package)
[00:42] <Ubuntuguy> This is the error message that I got
[00:42] <Ubuntuguy> http://s423.photobucket.com/albums/pp316/brandonchambers1/?action=view&current=Screenshot-UntitledWindow.png
[00:42] <penguin42> Ubuntuguy: But unless you're actually seeing an error talking about it being unable to load a firmware wile I'd be surprised
[00:42] <Ubuntuguy> Yeah
[00:42] <Ubuntuguy> that's what I got
[00:42] <Ubuntuguy> while installing
[00:42] <Ubuntuguy> ubuntun 11.04
[00:43] <penguin42> Ubuntuguy: OK, so that's a fairly normal window, just tell it to do the partial
[00:43] <amx109> Ubuntuguy, did you try the 'patial upgrade' option?
[00:43] <Ubuntuguy> THat's what I did before
[00:43] <penguin42> Ubuntuguy: Have you got any PPAs installed?
[00:43] <Ubuntuguy> and got the error
[00:43] <Ubuntuguy> I guess it wasn't 11.04
[00:43] <Ubuntuguy> What will it do?
[00:43] <Ubuntuguy> Because just now, it brought back all my old software
[00:44] <Ubuntuguy> like firefox
[00:44] <Ubuntuguy> etc
[00:44] <Ubuntuguy> OK, it just said that my system was up to date
[00:45] <amx109> Ubuntuguy, this was via "update-manager -d"
[00:45] <amx109> ?
[00:45] <Ubuntuguy> Correct
[00:45] <amx109> Ubuntuguy, very odd
[00:46] <amx109> Ubuntuguy, have you rebooted since the upgrade?
[00:46] <Ubuntuguy> Yeah, I rebooted
[00:46] <Ubuntuguy> after the old one
[00:46] <Ubuntuguy> And all my old applications came back
[00:46] <Ubuntuguy> like firefox
[00:46] <Ubuntuguy> rhymthbox
[00:46] <Ubuntuguy> the ones I replaced
[00:47] <amx109> Ubuntuguy, very, very odd
[00:48] <Ubuntuguy> How so?
[00:48] <amx109> its not something ive experienced before, myself
[00:48] <amx109> it should either do the update, or it wont
[00:48] <Ubuntuguy> Well, I didn't install the ubuntu 11.04 update
[00:49] <Ubuntuguy> I just noticed
[00:49] <amx109> sounds like you might have some extra PPA's or additonal repositorys that are incompatible with its attempt to upgrade
[00:49] <amx109> ?
[00:49] <Ubuntuguy> NO, I was saying, it turns out that I did the partial update
[00:49] <Ubuntuguy> not the ubuntu 11.04
[00:50] <Ubuntuguy> Does that make it less weird?
[00:50] <amx109> maybe
[00:50] <amx109> it still should upgrade as much as it could to 11.04
[00:51] <amx109> sounds like it wasnt able to go the 11.04 route. may have just upgraded your 10.10 to latest 10.10 versions, if you get me
[00:51] <amx109> if you really want 11.04 beta, maybe try via the iso image?
[00:51] <Ubuntuguy> But amx, what I'm saying is that it turns out that I never attempted to install ubuntu 11.04 as it turns out
[00:52] <Ubuntuguy> It was the partial update thingy
[00:52] <Ubuntuguy> because a whilke back, I cancelled a ubuntu 11.04 update
[00:52] <Ubuntuguy> while*
[00:52] <amx109> ah
[00:52] <Ubuntuguy> I'm really eager to try ubuntu 11.04
[00:52] <Ubuntuguy> thing is
[00:52] <Ubuntuguy> The cd image takes hours to download
[00:52] <amx109> it will take the same time as an upgrade
[00:53] <Ubuntuguy> You're a unity developer right
[00:53] <amx109> the upgrade will download 700+ MB of packages. essentially a new package for every one you have installed
[00:53] <amx109> no
[00:53] <Ubuntuguy> oh
[00:53] <amx109> just a random ubuntu user looking for help
[00:53] <Ubuntuguy> Oh
[00:53] <amx109> found some help. thought i'd help someone back
[00:54] <Ubuntuguy> Do you have 11.04 installed?
[00:54] <amx109> yup
[00:54] <Ubuntuguy> is it stable enough for everyday use?
[00:54] <amx109> ive been using it for one day :D
[00:54] <amx109> but i would say so
[00:54] <Ubuntuguy> OK, I'll upgrade
[00:54] <Ubuntuguy> HM
[00:54] <amx109> my past experience is that beta's are stable enough to use
[00:54] <Ubuntuguy> Can you stay here for a while
[00:54] <Ubuntuguy> jsut in case
[00:54] <Ubuntuguy> just*
[00:54] <amx109> im afraid not
[00:54] <amx109> its 1am in the UK
[00:54] <Ubuntuguy> aww
[00:54] <amx109> and i need to go to bed
[00:54] <Ubuntuguy> Alright
[00:55] <Ubuntuguy> Good night then
[00:55] <amx109> but im sure someone else will help if you ask nicely
[00:55] <Ubuntuguy> lol
[00:55] <amx109> goodnight to you too. and good luck!
[00:55] <Ubuntuguy> thanks
[01:00] <Ubuntuguy> Ubuntu 11.04 is stable enough for everyday use right
[01:02] <Daekdroom> Ubuntuguy, not yet.
[01:02] <Ubuntuguy> What's unstable about it?
[01:04] <Ubuntuguy> OK, I cancelled the ubuntu 11.04 update, and it claims my system could be in an unstable state if I do,
[01:27] <Daekdroom> oo gcalctool update. I wonder if it's gonna stop crashing.
[01:29] <ceed^> One of the natty mirrors has been messed up the last couple of days. I have switched to another one. But is it anything I can do to have them fix it?
[01:54] <enbloc> nvidia 2nd monitor detection? I'm running 'current' and its activated, but I don't see the nvidia detection at all, and ubuntu monitor detection doesn't detect the 2nd monitor
[02:06] <Sonja> the notification bar bug still active? :)
[02:15] <Guest17648> I have a problem with "Firefox " as it closes a window appears suddenly and "Firefox Crash Reporter"all the time, and do not let me work.
[02:18] <Guest17648> :(
[02:19] <travis_> Hello
[02:19] <Guest17648> I have a problem with "Firefox " as it closes a window appears suddenly and "Firefox Crash Reporter"all the time, and do not let me work.
[02:21] <Guest17648> :(
[02:21] <travis_> Any conflicting programs open?
[02:21] <Guest17648> yeah! with FF4
[02:22] <travis_> Besides FF4?
[02:22] <travis_> I'm currently on 10.10 so I might not be that much help >.>
[02:22] <Guest17648> no, only FF4
[02:22] <travis_> hmmm
[02:23] <Guest17648> i'm currently on 11.04
[02:23] <travis_> I'll check it out tonight
[02:24] <Sonja> Guest17648 is from the future
[02:24] <Guest17648> ok, ok alright
[02:25] <Guest17648> see you later
[02:25] <travis_> I have the alpha 3 release installed currently -.0
[02:25] <Guest17648> i'm currently on 11.04
[02:25] <Guest17648> i'm currently on 11.04  (Dialy Buld)
[02:32] <TheBuntu> dosent natty have sun's java version....the only jre package i can find is openjdk-6-jre and icedtea-6-jre-jamvm
[02:32] <benzaldehyde> Sonja: hahha!
[02:33] <rww> !java
[02:33] <rww> although iono if natty has that yet.
[02:34] <TheBuntu> rww: i downloaded java from suns web site...where do i put it at
[02:35] <rww> TheBuntu: no idea, I don't download java from Sun's website
[02:36] <travis_> download from shell
[02:36] <travis_> ?
[02:36] <Severian> TheBuntu, did you download a .deb package?
[02:37] <travis_> TheBuntu
[02:37] <travis_> do this
[02:37] <travis_> 1st.
[02:37] <travis_> "gksu /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk"
[02:37] <TheBuntu> Severian: no they have a rpm...or a source package
[02:38] <travis_> Then, on the "Other software" tab click "Add" and add the following
[02:38] <travis_> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu maverick partner
[02:38] <travis_> then use
[02:38] <travis_> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin
[02:38] <travis_> and if you want JDK
[02:38] <travis_> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
[02:38] <travis_> Your welcome.
[02:40] <TheBuntu> do what
[02:41] <TheBuntu> my bad
[02:41] <travis_> 1. Open Shell
[02:41] <travis_> 2.
[02:41] <jester7> Anybody here that could help me with writing a resume.d script?
[02:41] <travis_> Alt+F2
[02:41] <jester7> I can't figure it out...
[02:42] <travis_> 3.  gksu /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk
[02:42] <travis_> 4. Other Software tab, click add
[02:42] <travis_> 5. deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu maverick partner
[02:42] <travis_> 6. sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin
[02:42] <travis_> (AND) if you want JDK
[02:42] <travis_> 1. sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
[02:42] <TheBuntu> jre
[02:43] <travis_> did it work?
[02:47] <TheBuntu> travis_: im in kde...so do i want software-properties-gtk or kde....but i have kubuntu's package manager gui installed and ubuntu's gui
[02:47] <travis_> gtk should be fine i'm guessing
[02:47] <travis_> try it out
[02:48] <coz_> TheBuntu,  you have both kde and gnome installed?
[02:48] <TheBuntu> it dont matter they both open the samething...all i had to do was open package manager
[02:49] <TheBuntu> coz_: no...kde with both Synaptic and kpackage
[02:50] <coz_> TheBuntu, ok so there are some gnome libraries installed then ...yes?
[02:50] <coz_> TheBuntu,  I was just curious actually,, I generall use gnome with most of kde libraries installed and a few kde applications
[02:50] <coz_> TheBuntu,  i find a little of both kind of round out the system
[02:51] <TheBuntu> coz_: kubuntu uses some of the gtk package...well kde does
[02:52] <coz_> TheBuntu,  ah ok,, I did try kde's plasma netbook again last week,, and yes I do remember that
[02:53] <TheBuntu> coz_: i think firefox uses gtk
[02:53] <TheBuntu> so i think thats why kde has to
[02:53] <coz_> TheBuntu, ah  perhaps... do you use konqueror
[02:54] <TheBuntu> coz_: nope Forefox
[03:08] <jasen_> hey all
[03:09] <jasen_> I have a black screen on ubuntu 11.04, but only in unity
[03:09] <jasen_> why is that?
[03:09] <jasen_> I have a black screen on ubuntu 11.04, but only in unity
[03:09] <jasen_> why is that?
[03:09] <drmorphias> jasen_: unity requires 3d acceleration so it has to be your graphics card issues.
[03:09] <jasen_> But my graphics card worked in 10.10
[03:10] <drmorphias> jasen_: newer drivers are being used in 11.04 most likely... what card you have?
[03:10] <jasen_> ATI Mobility Radeon 4670
[03:10] <jasen_> google.com
[03:11] <jasen_> sorry, wrong app :P
[03:11] <drmorphias> jasen_: have you made sure the restircted drivers were installed for your card?
[03:11] <drmorphias> *restricted
[03:12] <jasen_> Yes I have. They are installed.
[03:12] <drmorphias> jasen_: hmm... have you tried running compiz in gnome?
[03:13] <jasen_> I don't think I have compiz...
[03:13] <jasen_> actually, i dont even know what it is lol
[03:14] <TheBuntu> is there a gui package for system services
[03:14] <drmorphias> jasen_: do alt + f2 and type "compiz --replace" and see what happens.
[03:15] <jasen_> "Sorry, Compiz closed unexpectectedly"
[03:15] <jasen_> unexpectedly*
[03:16] <drmorphias> jasen_: unity uses compiz. since compiz isnt starting, thats why your getting that result in unity.
[03:16] <jasen_> Ah. Is there a way to upgrade my card drivers?
[03:16] <jasen_> I googled it, and people say its a fglrx driver or something, but i have tried to update that
[03:16] <jasen_> and it didnt work
[03:17] <drmorphias> jasen_: have you tried downloading the drivers straight from ati's website?
[03:17] <jasen_> No I haven't, i didn't even know they offered linux downloads.
[03:18] <drmorphias> jasen_: i might be wrong for asking, i dont know if they do offer linux downloads.
[03:18] <jasen_> I don't believe they do.
[03:36] <myk_robinson> evening. How do I add more indicators to the "taskbar" thingy at the top? I installed the weather indicator but have no idea how to activate it.
[03:43] <nit-wit> myk_robinson, right click the applet to the add location via preferences
[03:43] <myk_robinson> nit-wit: at first i couldnt figure out how to add the applet to the bar, i assumed i could right click the bar and add an applet. I figured out how to run indicator-weather though. Thanks
[03:44] <oneman> hi
[03:44] <oneman> Natty crashing often on intel sandy bridge graphics, please let me know whatI can do to help
[03:45] <oneman> I'm a C coder / advanced users...
[03:45] <oneman> I suspect a memory leak as it starts out fast and then slows down and starts artifacting
[03:49] <nit-wit> myk_robinson, the clock applet has a weather link as well
[03:53] <ceed^> nit-wit: myk_robinson may be running Unity and there the clock doesn't do weather (as far as I know).
[03:55] <myk_robinson> sorry, i failed to specify that i am running unity. Got it figured out, though. You have to run the executable associated with the indicator. Seems it'd make more sense to add a right click function to add an indicator, and have installed indicators displayed as possible selections
[04:01] <nit-wit> ceed^, forgot this was the natty channel thaks.:)
[04:03] <semitones> is it possible to make an "up to date" liveUSB?
[04:03] <semitones> what I mean is start with the disk image, but include any updates that have been made since then
[04:06] <nit-wit> semitones, there is the daily build
[04:07] <semitones> if I used the startup disk creator and gave it persistant space,
[04:07] <semitones> could I just boot it and run update manager?
[04:07] <semitones> and then it would be up to date the next time i booted
[04:09] <nit-wit> semitones, it will be up to date when you have updated any synched packages in the repos which at this point are added sporadically.
[04:09] <semitones> ok great, thanks!
[04:10] <semitones> that will be useful later on :)
[04:10] <nit-wit> Don't upgrade the kernels though, at least in my exsperience it causes problems
[04:18] <ninwa> Does anybody use Guake under Ubuntu 11.04 with unity? Seems to come up for me but I can't enter any text into the terminal at all. Was wondering if anybody was experiencing similar.
[04:43] <luckysmack> in beta 1 of ubuntu natty, all my video and audio (no sound) plays very fast and im unable to see/hear them at normal speeds. is this a known bug? anyone know how i might go about fixing this?
[05:00] <needhelp1> where can i find the pc requirements/specs needed to run 11.04?
[05:01] <rww> !requirements
[05:03] <needhelp1> this includes 11.04 beta, with unity ?
[05:03] <needhelp1> 1gb of ram
[05:42] <Dewi> I'm running netbook remix and I need to disable automount
[05:42] <Dewi> anyone know what controls automount in unity?
[05:50] <RxDx> is there any way to disable unity panel auto-hide, i mean... keep it like a panel
[05:53] <Dewi> unbelieveable, this is all undocumented
[05:53] <Dewi> there are sooo many different automounts
[05:54] <kundan> Hi, my entire ubuntu experience with beta or otherwise is horrible with weird glitchy graphics all the time, gnome unity refuses to run at all while kde screen refuses to refresh and is flickery
[05:54] <kundan> How do I resolve this??
[05:55] <Dewi> kundan: if you don't like beta use 10.10
[05:56] <kundan> Dewi, well 10.10 had similar issues while using compiz
[05:56] <kundan> even w/o compiz.. random glitchy graphics was commonplace
[05:57] <Dewi> kundan: mismatched / bad graphics driver?
[05:57] <frewsxcv> is there any easy way to install gnome-shell on 11.04 beta1?
[05:57] <kundan> Dewi, which graphics driver should I be using?
[05:58] <Dewi> kundan: depends on your hardware
[05:59] <kundan> Dewi, 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[06:00] <Dewi> kundan: do you have non-free stuff enabled? See if there's a non-free driver in use in the "additional drivers" system panel and try switching it on/off
[06:00] <kundan> Dewi, no non fee drivers
[06:01] <kundan> no options to switch one on either
[06:02] <Dewi> kundan: dunno. Maybe you need to turn off effects, acceleration, anything that's using advanced video features that aren't working on your setup
[06:02] <kundan> Dewi, well they used to work in ubuntu 8.04/10
[06:02] <kundan> so what broke
[06:03] <Dewi> I'm not sure what the status is with intels
[06:03] <Dewi> could you have been using a non-free driver previously?
[06:03] <kundan> nope
[06:03] <kundan> Dewi, where should i be asking for help then
[06:04] <Dewi> kundan: here & #ubuntu I guess
[06:04] <Dewi> nobody's answering me either
[06:05] <kundan> Dewi, whats your issue?
[06:06] <Dewi> I want automount off
[06:06] <Dewi> but there's a million schemes and no doco
[06:06] <frewsxcv> is there any easy way to install gnome-shell on 11.04 beta1?
[06:07] <Dewi> reminds me why I've always avoided X
[06:07] <Dewi> undocumented magic popping up everywhere
[06:07] <kundan> Dewi, http://pastebin.com/muvUr30j modfify the booleans to disable automount for the type of devices you need
[06:08] <Dewi> kundan: where is that?
[06:09] <kundan> /etc/hal/fdi/policy/40-custom-disable-automount-or-whatever-you-wanna-callit.fdi
[06:10] <Dewi> I don't have an /etc/hal at all
[06:10] <kundan> right
[06:10] <kundan> then udev policies instead
[06:11] <kundan> Dewi, its a long read but heres the documentation http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
[06:12] <kundan> Dewi, hal was what did the autodetect magic earlier which was later replaced with udev afaik
[06:14] <Dewi> every reference I can find is to something I don't have installed
[06:18] <kundan> Dewi, you are without udev? impossible
[06:19] <Dewi> kundan: I have udev, but I've never found decent documentation for it
[06:19] <kundan> Dewi, apt-cache search udev|wgetpaste
[06:19] <kundan> Dewi, heres the documentation http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
[06:25] <Dewi> kundan: I think I fixed it with gconf's settings for nautilus
[06:25] <Dewi> kundan: which is strange since I'm running neither gnome nor nautilus, but I guess it still shares enough under the hood or something
[06:34] <Dewi> er, nope, I was wrong
[06:37] <frewsxcv> is there any easy way to install gnome-shell on 11.04 beta1?
[07:54] <positivel> I a laptop with intel gma3150 graphics chip and after installing 11.04, the resolution is down to 640x480
[07:54] <positivel> is there something I need to rebuild?
[07:56] <positivel> I keep getting (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
[08:02] <soreau> positivel: Pastebin your X log
[08:05] <positivel> ok
[08:06]  * soreau thinks the nvidia glx module crept in during the upgrade
[08:08] <positivel> sorry, still working on the pastebin
[08:08] <positivel> in the mean time, i'll point out that i have an nvidia chip too
[08:09] <positivel> i have a eeepc 1015pn
[08:11] <positivel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589565/
[08:12] <sean> sorry, got disconnected
[08:12] <aftertaf> hey all : any idea when a dist-upgrade will not want to remove my xorg?? :)
[08:13] <soreau> positivel: Can you show the output of apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-glx?
[08:13] <Guest93675> i was positivel
[08:14] <soreau> aftertaf: Is it supposed to?
[08:15] <aftertaf> hi soreau : i dont think so....
[08:16] <aftertaf> i think its a conflict with some gtk-linked packages...
[08:16] <Guest93675> paste.ubuntu.com/589567 has the output of apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-glx
[08:16] <soreau> Guest93675: Can you show the output of apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-glx?
[08:17] <soreau> Guest93675: I guess the intel glx module is broken
[08:17] <soreau> you should file a bug report
[08:18] <aftertaf> and here's my pastebin output for dist-upgrade : http://pastebin.com/E0RnNCZ4
[08:19] <seanogden> sorry... its me again. (positivel).  I'm on a windows mIRC client that keeps closing.
[08:22] <seanogden> did i miss something?
[08:25] <arand> aftertaf: Sounds like you should hold back doing that, you are currently running natty right?
[08:25] <aftertaf> just about . . . :)
[08:25] <positivelyskewed> hi.  I got disconnected.  Now on my ubuntu machine...
[08:25] <aftertaf> update-manager sort of didnt work so i did it by 'hand'
[08:25] <aftertaf> arand: yep, i still like using X from time to time ;)
[08:26] <positivelyskewed> did you guys see the pastebin about my libgl1-mesa-glx
[08:26] <arand> aftertaf: MOst likely the standard issue of dependencies not being published, waiting game, basically
[08:27] <aftertaf> arand : looks like it.
[08:28] <aftertaf> then again, they do say, don't use unless you know how to fix a broken system (or avoid breaking it . . .) :)
[08:29] <arand> Well, as far as I know, partial upgrades/ dist-upgrading should never be done except in very rare cases.
[08:29] <aftertaf> yeah, I know . . . .apart from that, looking good, starting Fast, happy with things
[08:29] <aftertaf> been breaking and reinstalling since Hoary
[08:30] <aftertaf> some people never learn/learn more that way :D
[08:30] <positivelyskewed> <-learning that way
[08:32] <arand> Hmm, read some backlog, yea, I did kind of start out on the assumption that you were new to dist-upgrade breaking things, obviously not :)
[08:33] <aftertaf> nah, but best to assume that
[08:34] <arand> Though I guess there might be a round of users happily pulling the partial upgrade in update-manager at this very moment...
[08:34] <aftertaf> well  i hope it doesnt remove their xorg :)
[08:34] <aftertaf> not that many missing, to be honest
[08:34] <arand> Can only hope they are using btrfs with snapshots ;)
[08:36] <aftertaf> i always found it easier to sed my sources.list instead of doing the auto upgrade... i guess its a control freak thing
[08:36] <positivelyskewed> how do you rebuild the intel drivers after upgrading the kernel?
[08:36] <aftertaf> for the glx mesa thing, i dont actually have the same apt-cache output : but i do have ain intel PPA since the start of maverick
[08:37] <positivelyskewed> what's that ppa?
[08:38] <aftertaf> hehe : you DO know what you're doing (more or less??) :)
[08:38] <arand> aftertaf: Well, the do-releaase-upgrade does some neat disabling of PPAs and whatnot as well, but yea, provide one actully knows one's packages and sources...
[08:38] <aftertaf> positivelyskewed: # deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/glasen/intel-driver/ubuntu maverick main
[08:39] <aftertaf> arand: true, it does clean up my ppa adventures each time, as i lean towards brokenness :D
[08:41] <aftertaf> but risk taking, fwiw, has taught me so much.. including how to minimise the risk
[08:45] <arand> True, running an alongside install of natty on btrfs taught me a lot about how btrfs mounts and not mounts. And in extension initramfs, and grub...
[08:45] <aftertaf> been on ppa since my new laptop : dell with i915 was just not compatible with stock maverick: too new
[08:45] <aftertaf> yeah, its a vicious but rewarding learning curve
[08:46] <aftertaf> lol, comparing linux scars, like old fishermen in Jaws :)
[08:47] <arand> yup
[08:51] <positivelyskewed> just did some stuff... going to try and restart...
[08:52] <aftertaf> good luck
[08:56] <Jon--> Using testdrive to launch the latest daily build. I wanted to try out Unity. However, Unity doesn't seem to be the WM running, or selectable from the menu upon logout. What?
[08:57] <positivelyskewed> no luck :(
[08:57] <positivelyskewed> I think I'm going to go back to 10.10...
[08:58] <positivelyskewed> 11.04 doesn't seem to want to work with my intel chip, and the nvidia chip is too much of a battery hog.
[09:01] <aftertaf> Jon--: what choices do you have ?
[09:01] <aftertaf> wow, i just died (tm)
[09:02] <Jon--> aftertaf, ubuntu, ubuntu classic, few others
[09:02] <aftertaf> then i think its ubuntu
[09:03] <aftertaf> classic being gnome as before . . .
[09:03] <Jon--> I did use that one
[09:03] <aftertaf> from what i can remember reading on that....
[09:03] <Jon--> Unity it is not ;)
[09:03] <aftertaf> ah.
[09:03] <aftertaf> :D
[09:04] <aftertaf> u sure u got the necessary packages ?
[09:04] <mikebeecham> good morning...I notice on the Ubuntu website that they are suggesting downloading the 11.04 beta. Does this mean that it's worth upgrading now?
[09:04] <Jon--> aftertaf, I'm using the latest daily build .ISO
[09:04] <Jon--> aftertaf, for 11.04
[09:04] <aftertaf> yep, i gotcha.... still, not 100% guarantee that they are there...
[09:04] <Jon--> unity runs from terminal
[09:04] <aftertaf> though sense would say they should be
[09:04] <Jon--> complains a different wm is running
[09:04] <Jon--> so the package is installed
[09:05] <aftertaf> try running it from terminal in X, wuth the --replace flag
[09:05] <Jon--> ok
[09:05] <aftertaf> check syntax though, not sure exactly what is would be
[09:05] <Jon--> I'm rebooting the VM hold on a second
[09:05] <Jon--> I did a man unity and saw nothing about replacing
[09:05] <Jon--> So I'm not sure either ;)
[09:06] <aftertaf> :)
[09:06] <Jon--> Oh yay, it's hung on boot
[09:06] <aftertaf> on natty on my laptop right now :  apt-get install unity says : unity : Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.23.90) but 2.22.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[09:06] <Jon--> and of course I can't drop to TTY because CTRL+ALT is the escape sequence for QEMU
[09:06] <aftertaf> Broken packages.... so maybe the daily is fudged too
[09:06] <Jon--> fml :(
[09:07] <aftertaf> have to change qemu esc sequence ;)
[09:07] <aftertaf> dont you just love it when this happens :)
[09:09] <arand> Jon--: Isn't there normally just a menu that lets you input those?
[09:09] <arand> At least in virt-manager...
[09:10] <ChrisBuchholz> I have downloaded and been beta 1 to a CD, but if i choose either the "install updates while installing" or the "install thirdparty stuff" options, i will get an error some time into the installation about /usr/bin/dpkg saying that the error is caused by an old installation medium or "something" else. What can this be? And what could i do to not get that? Dont wanna download and burn yet again, to just get the same error ... again.
[09:10] <mikebeecham> Hi guys...can anyone tell me if it's worth upgrading to 11.04 yet?
[09:10] <mikebeecham> I notice the Ubuntu website is advertising the beta
[09:10] <aftertaf> mikebeecham: if you know how to avoid pitfalls that could happen, it's good to use
[09:10] <Jon--_> Look ma, I just halted my system!
[09:10] <Jon--_> -_-'
[09:11] <aftertaf> looool Jon--_
[09:11] <mikebeecham> aftertaf, would that be to just jump onto this channel if there's an issue :D
[09:12] <Jon--_> Time to try again!
[09:12] <Severian> mikebeecham, 11.04 is interesting.  Testing a new version can be fun.  But, do not move any important machine yet.  This is a beta and it is not ready for prime time yet.
[09:13] <mikebeecham> Severian, ahhh I only have one machine at the moment :D
[09:13] <Jon--_> ok
[09:13] <aftertaf> you just made my day, cheers man :)
[09:13] <aftertaf> mikebeecham: sort of, yeah....   I have some dist-upgrade issues that want to remove xorg
[09:13] <aftertaf> so I did upgrade then worked on the list one by one
[09:13] <aftertaf> Severian is right
[09:13] <aftertaf> though my issue is linked to libpango not having the right ver packages and wanting to delete 90 otherssion, so its holding back 10+
[09:13] <Jon--_> how do I make unity replace the current running shell?
[09:13] <Severian> Get a second cheap machine and test on it.
[09:14] <mikebeecham> Severian, hahha
[09:14] <mikebeecham> ok...I'll get right on that
[09:14] <aftertaf> though my issue is linked to libpango not having the right version of packages so its holding back 10+  and wanting to delete 90 others,
[09:14] <aftertaf> better, touchpad killed my posting
[09:14] <Severian> Not everyone has problems.  On two test machines, 11.04 crashes multiple times per day for me.
[09:15] <aftertaf> Severian: i just had a sudden death, first time in one week of naughty nattiness
[09:15] <amskinner> Ive only had compiz hiccups, lucky me
[09:15] <Severian> mikebeecham, seriously, I have several test machines.  Some were free and some cost as much as $40.  Buy them second hand.  A P4 3 GHz machine is not bad at all with a gig of ram.
[09:16] <amskinner> "as much as $40"
[09:16] <aftertaf> but it is fun, and a good way to learn, as long as you know how to work around things... eg: redo the update in shell if no X . . . and problems are fixed fairly fast as we approach release
[09:16] <Severian> aftertaf, Like I said, results vary.
[09:16] <aftertaf> yep
[09:17] <aftertaf> and thats how bug reports get filed and fixed too... if noone ever tests, it wont happen either
[09:17] <Severian> amskinner, Yeah.  I usually don't like to spend that much, but if the machine is real nice, I might go $40.
[09:17] <Severian> aftertaf, I test, and I fill in qa test reports and bugs.
[09:17] <Jon--_> how do I make unity replace the current running shell?
[09:17] <Jon--_> it's not running now
[09:18] <aftertaf> when $8 can get you 2 18oz bags of peanut butter M&Ms . . ., its all relative ;)
[09:18] <Severian> Your hardware is probably not good enough.  Unity with compiz is installed by default if you have 3d capable hardware.
[09:18] <aftertaf> Severian: me too, i try to, since its the best way I can give back to a community that has freely given so much
[09:19] <aftertaf> Jon--_: qemu virtual machine, right ?
[09:19] <Jon--_> aftertaf, yeah
[09:21] <aftertaf> Severian: you have dist-upgrade wanting to remove xorg packages right now too ?
[09:21] <ChrisBuchholz> Would it be possible to _NOT_ make the Dock auto-hide when you dismiss the Launcher? What happens is that the Launcher disappears instantly and then it takes about 2 seconds for the Dock to auto-hide.
[09:21] <ChrisBuchholz> Would be awesome if the Dock would go away instantly just like the Launcher
[09:22] <Jon--_> how do I make unity replace the current running shell? it's not running now -_-'
[09:22] <Severian> aftertaf, I have not done a dist-upgrade with natty.  I installed from daily build and the beta1 alternate installer.  I tried alpha installers, too, but none worked.
[09:23] <buhl> Hi! - I've installed the natty beta1. And i'm wondering why it uses 3 times more ram than it did before? I have common processes using 20Mb of RAM...
[09:24] <Severian> During alpha and beta, I would not be surprised to find debugging turned on in several packages.  With compiz and x as crashy as they are, someone must be debugging.
[09:24] <Severian> buhl, That last was for you.
[09:25] <Jon--_> how do I make unity replace the current running shell? it's not running now -_-'
[09:26] <Jon--_> apt-cache search unity shows it is installed, I can envoke it from terminal, complains another shell is running
[09:26] <buhl> @Severian, Oh, so debugging is turned on by default when installing the packages?
[09:27] <Severian> How  do you request a tempory ban of Jon--_?  I believe it is against the rules to keep posting the same question over and over, especially when it has been answered?
[09:28] <Severian> buhl, That is supposition on my part.
[09:28] <buhl> Severian, Well, it seems reasonable.. Thank you for your time. :)
[09:28] <Severian> buhl, sure.  Have a good day.
[09:29] <aftertaf> Jon--_: and 'unity --replace' works or not ?
[09:29] <aftertaf> buhl: possible : you can see specific processes using more, or just total used RAM is more?
[09:31] <aftertaf> Jon--_: if the --replace works, use that for now, if not then its the VM that can't handle the 3D part of it
[09:31] <buhl> aftertaf, Both. ie, my processes starting with indicator-"something"-service is all using 20 or more Mb of RAM..
[09:32] <buhl> aftertaf, and the system is using more than 60% of my ram, and before the upgrade it was using 10-20%.
[09:34] <SupeR_NovA> help me !  "no valid session found how".... to do this problem
[09:35] <aftertaf> Severian: or anyone else you have wireless issues with current natty ? mine drops the signal and then comes back, like every 5 mins, but nothing in dmesg...
[09:35] <aftertaf> buhl: could be worth posting a bugreport, just to be sure the point is addressed, even though it could have valid reasons and go away as things stabilise...
[09:35] <aftertaf> ..your call
[09:36] <SupeR_NovA> help me !  "no valid session found how".... to do this problem
[09:36] <Severian> aftertaf, All my machine use wired ethernet.
[09:40] <SupeR_NovA> help me !  "no valid session found how".... to do this problem
[09:43] <amskinner> Severian: where did you find your little test machines?
[09:46] <Severian> amskinner, various places.  Craigs list is available lots of places.  There is a big electronic flea market once a month in Dallas.  It is a good source.  And, I just listen for people talking about getting rid of machines.  A 3 year old machine being upgraded in a company is likely to run Ubuntu quite well.
[09:48] <SupeR_NovA> help me !  "no valid session found how".... to do this problem
[09:50] <Severian> A sensible question might get more replies, SupeR_NovA.  And, it is bad etiquette to keep asking over and over.  Your question does not have enough information for most people to have an idea about your problem.
[09:50] <amskinner> SupeR_NovA: на български?
[09:50] <SupeR_NovA> da kaji
[09:55] <amskinner> i guess not
[09:58] <benzaldehyde> hi guys can't get restricted movies to play and none of the methods are working
[10:10] <SupeR_NovA> no valid session found how...>< login ubuntu 11.04 beta 1 ????
[10:15] <SupeR_NovA> ! Xsession
[10:15] <SupeR_NovA> !session
[10:29] <BobbyBobbins> Hey guys. I saw on the 11.4 page that it says I cannot install ubuntu 11.4 via WUBI, but on my ISO that I downloaded (the official one) thats exactly what the ISO uses to install..
[10:29] <BobbyBobbins> so, how can I install then?
[10:29] <Chr|s> restart your computer with the cd in the rom drive
[10:30] <BobbyBobbins> Ok. Will I be able to install on a separate partition?
[10:30] <BobbyBobbins> and specific drive
[10:30] <BobbyBobbins> Like WUBI allows
[10:30] <Chr|s> BobbyBobbins: yes you will be able to set up partitions
[10:31] <BobbyBobbins> Ok.
[10:31] <BobbyBobbins> Thanks.
[10:31] <Chr|s> np
[10:53] <aftertaf> ok, looks like the 83 to remove are due to an upgrade from libindicator1 to libindicator3
[10:54] <aftertaf> so i guess the depepndant packages havent been rebuilt with a -3 dependency instead . . . .
[10:57] <bercik_> Hello all
[10:57] <bercik_> That repositories should i add to ny sourcelist?
[10:59] <Chr|s> !repos | bercik_
[10:59] <Chr|s> scratch that
[11:00] <Chr|s> hasn't been updated
[11:00] <bercik_> I am looking for 11.04 repos
[11:00] <Chr|s> bercik_: refer to my last message
[11:01] <bercik_> And i have to wait for repos update?
[11:01] <Chr|s> no
[11:01] <Chr|s> im saying that page hasn't been updated
[11:01] <bercik_> ah, ok
[11:01] <bercik_> Then i have one more problem
[11:01] <bercik_> I cannot voice
[11:01] <bercik_> sorry
[11:02] <Chr|s> c?
[11:02] <bercik_> I cannot install a voice chat plugin to gnail
[11:02] <aftertaf> bercik_: depends what you want to do... update, install new,... ?
[11:02] <Chr|s> bercik_: keep in mind 11.04 isn't fully released, still being beta tested
[11:02] <bercik_> install new on my new Ubuntu
[11:02] <Chr|s> some things may or may not work correctly
[11:03] <aftertaf> bercik_: http://www.google.com/chat/video/download.html
[11:03] <bercik_> I downloaded the plugin and it does not install, because of some error
[11:03] <bercik_> it says, it can make my system unstable and cancels it
[11:04] <Chr|s> you sure you selected the right one?
[11:04] <Chr|s> do you have 32 or 64 bit machine?
[11:04] <bercik_> .deb for 32bit system
[11:04] <bercik_> 32 - Intel Atom
[11:04] <Chr|s> hmm
[11:05] <aftertaf> weird
[11:05] <aftertaf> doing it now to see, the deb came down fine
[11:07] <bercik_> i hope we will figure this out
[11:08] <Chr|s> indeed :D
[11:08] <aftertaf> you using which navigator ?
[11:08] <Chr|s> navigator?
[11:08] <bercik_> Chromium
[11:08] <Chr|s> oh browser lol
[11:08] <aftertaf> ok, me too
[11:09] <bercik_> if he ment browser :)
[11:09] <Chr|s> <3 firefox
[11:09] <bercik_> right aftertaf ?
[11:09] <aftertaf> Chr|s: sorry : french/english cast type exception
[11:09] <aftertaf> yep, i meant browser
[11:09] <aftertaf> :D
[11:09] <Chr|s> aftertaf: no worries :)
[11:09] <Chr|s> I kind of figured it was what you meant
[11:11] <aftertaf> glad u did ;)
[11:11] <aftertaf> jetlagged and confused, dont help
[11:12] <aftertaf> so, it downloads with chromium, then you click it and what is the application that tries to install it ?
[11:12] <aftertaf> (me on kde)
[11:13] <bercik_> Synaptic (i guess this is it) starts to install and then it cancels, because of some quality error. It says, it could make my system unstable
[11:15] <bercik_> Maybe i should add repos first?
[11:25] <BobbyBobbins> BTW just curious, is there any knowledge yet on when the WUBI installer will be fixed for 11.4? I know now how to work-around it (someone told me here) but still curious
[11:28] <bercik_> Guys, i cannot find 11.04 repos. Any link please
[11:32] <Severian> bercik_, It is not just 1 repo.  You are talking about the .deb repo, right.  One is   http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[11:32] <bercik_> I am looking for source list good for natty
[11:34] <Severian> If you install from the CD, it is set for you.  If you are upgrading from maverick, just edit the file and replace maverick with natty
[11:35] <bercik_> And extra repos? Unneeded?
[11:36] <bercik_> When i was using U 8.10 last time, it did need extra repos
[11:36] <Severian> I think the partner repository for natty is not all ready.  Natty is a beta.  Not everything is there yet.  Everything I want is there, but YMMV.
[11:37] <bercik_> thanks
[11:38] <Severian> I have about 20 repositories, bercik_ You may have a few more or less.  Your country affects it some, I believe.
[11:43] <head_victim> Any problems with grub in the beta that we're aware of? A friend in the loco has some issues after an install
[11:49] <meborc> anyone else loving the new blue "you have conversation" icon? :)
[12:09] <benzaldehyde> i can't get encrypted dvd videos to play
[13:11] <repete> cdbs, ping
[13:11] <cdbs> repete: pong
[13:11] <cdbs> repete: how can I help?
[13:16] <benzaldehyde> ding dong
[14:25] <tanelorn26> I'm testing out 11.04 on a linux host(x64), using virtual box 4.04 (x64).  I've downloaded the 11.04 amd64 desktop ISO
[14:26] <tanelorn26> the installer get's about 4/5ths of the way through the install,  and then dpkg issues an error 1,
[14:28] <tanelorn26> I click continue, or OK what ever the affirmative button is there, and it immediatly says the instller has finished and prompts to reboot.
[14:28] <tanelorn26> I think it fails before the boot loader get's installed because it hangs with a blinking cursor after the bios post.
[14:28] <tanelorn26> how should I procede?
[14:31] <thiebaude> alternate cd tanelorn26
[14:31] <thiebaude> text installer
[14:31] <thiebaude> i had the same problem but i did not get any error messeges
[14:32] <tanelorn26> thiebaude:thanks, will do
[14:32] <thiebaude> ok, cool
[14:32] <tanelorn26> hi
[14:32] <thiebaude> hi :)
[14:33] <ChrisBuchholz> hey guys. Im running 11.04 beta 1, and i have a problem with the nvidia accelerated 3D graphics driver i've installed via the "additional drivers" program. When i have the nvidia driver activated, my "screen-light" up and down buttons dont do anything. The notify-osd dialog shows as if the screen light changes, but it doesnt. Also the power-manager feature to dum display when idle dont work either. If i disable the nvidia driver and ...
[14:33] <ChrisBuchholz> ... just use 2D or install the experimental nouveai driver, it works fine. What can i do to fix this?
[14:34] <ChrisBuchholz> dim*
[14:34] <thiebaude> not sure what the fix is, but yea if you want to use 2d  until it gets fugured out :)
[14:34] <thiebaude> ChrisBuchholz,
[14:35] <ChrisBuchholz> thiebaude: or nouveai, but damn, well okay. I see
[14:36] <thiebaude> i have nvidia , but i use the nouveau drivers instead
[14:36] <ChrisBuchholz> nouveaui doesnt have proper power-management så my laptop becomes hot when using it, so i guess i will go with nvidia
[14:36] <thiebaude> ahh ok
[14:36] <ChrisBuchholz> thiebaude: doesnt yours become hotter by it?
[14:37] <thiebaude> no problem with being hot, im using gnome-classic-no effects and the ubuntu default drivers
[14:37] <ChrisBuchholz> thiebaude: ah, i see okay
[14:37] <thiebaude> and i mangaed to put macbuntu on 11.04 and memory usage is back to normal :)
[14:37] <thiebaude> managed
[14:38] <thiebaude> i dont 3d and fancy stuff like that
[14:38] <Shawn727> nyone need help?
[14:38] <thiebaude> need
[14:38] <Shawn727> Anyone?
[14:39] <Shawn727> Thie
[14:39] <Shawn727> Yu need help?
[14:39] <thiebaude> nope not anymore, but thanks anyway :)
[14:39] <vish> Shawn727: you looking to get involved in Ubuntu development?
[14:39] <Shawn727> Okay and do you have a paypal?
[14:39] <Shawn727> Vish
[14:39] <Shawn727> Yes i would love to pm me
[14:40] <thiebaude> no Shawn727 i dont use that mess,lol
[14:40] <ChrisBuchholz> thiebaude: if i want "mac" experience, i just boot in to my OS X partition ...
[14:40] <vish> !development | Shawn727
[14:40] <thiebaude> ChrisBuchholz, i wish i had the money for one
[14:40] <thiebaude> thats why i want the mac look,lol
[14:40] <thiebaude> i love the way it looks
[14:41] <ChrisBuchholz> thiebaude: imo, ubuntu and linux is much better that OS X, but i do need OS X for school stuff (doing documents with classmates and so), but when i can, i use linux
[14:41] <thiebaude> cool
[14:41] <thiebaude> :)
[14:42] <ChrisBuchholz> thiebaude: well i like how mac looks too, but i think ubuntu looks quite like it by default:D hand i really, really hate how OS X dont have a built-in notification system and no package-manager and so, so ubuntu is the better choice if you ask me: D
[14:42] <ChrisBuchholz> thiebaude: and with unity, its even better!
[14:43] <thiebaude> i want to use gnome3
[14:43] <thiebaude> i wish ubuntu went with gnome 3 instead of unity imho
[14:44] <ChrisBuchholz> thiebaude: i tried it yesterday on fedora. I dont care for it. Its too bloated and "scraped". It makes me feel dumb when they removed all those options in the controlpanel, and i dont like how "big" widgets, margins and paddings are. I like the rest though.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas folks
[14:45] <thiebaude> BluesKaj, hi there
[14:45] <ChrisBuchholz> thiebaude: but i think that ubuntu has the better product and community. Canonical have a killer in launchpad. No other distro has something going just as well. I vote for ubuntu for the time being.
[14:46] <thiebaude> i agree, imho best OS community around :)
[14:46] <ChrisBuchholz> thiebaude: also, i think Ubuntu does whats great with OS X -- it simply works -- but still delivers true Linux
[14:46] <thiebaude> i use ubuntu since 6.06
[14:46] <BluesKaj> hi thiebaude
[14:47] <ChrisBuchholz> thiebaude: i started playing with ubuntu when 5.04 come out, but i think i first truely used ubuntu as primary OS with 6.06
[14:48] <BluesKaj> nice support community in (k)ubuntu for the mosy part , there are a few arrogant geek types with few social graces , they can be very helpful tho. :)
[14:48] <thiebaude> bug 725434
[14:49] <thiebaude> i hope they get that fixed so i can start to use unity :)
[15:09] <jussi> So in natty my x is really slow - (kubuntu), on intel. In maverick I had to use glaens PPA to get performance, any ideas on how to fix it?
[15:23]  * thiebaude crickets :)
[15:32] <Smeuuh> hi, I just broke my system.
[15:33] <Smeuuh> with latest update, now ubuntu refuses to boot and tells me my / is "not present"
[15:33] <Smeuuh> when I switch to a term, I see that / is mounted readonly
[15:34] <Smeuuh> however I'm using a liveUSB here and I can mount rw the partition
[15:34] <Smeuuh> so yeah, help ? :)
[15:41] <Smeuuh> anyone? I'm really screwed here
[16:01] <penguin42> Smeuuh: Tell me about your system
[16:02] <meganerd> he is long gone
[16:04] <penguin42> hohum
[16:07] <frybye> Hi - for goodness knows what reason when messing with the sound settings I have screwed it .. can't get working no matter what now - have restarted - got greeting sound but banshee etc does nothing...
[16:07] <frybye> anybody got a clue for me??
[16:11] <penguin42> this is in gnome?
[16:11] <frybye> unity..
[16:11] <penguin42> yeh
[16:11] <BluesKaj> frybye, still have pulseaudio installed
[16:12] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:12] <frybye> as far as I know yeah pulse
[16:12] <penguin42> frybye: Bring up sound pregrences from the control panel and check the Hardware tab shows your sound card and that the profile is sensible - try the Test speakers button
[16:12] <frybye> ah ha - i remember now i used to fix this stuff with a asmixer thing or...
[16:13] <frybye> penguin42: tried all of them...
[16:13] <BluesKaj> frybye, alsamixer is the way to setup your audio , yes
[16:14] <penguin42> took me a while to fix my dasd unti lI noticed that the 'profile' setting under hardware was wrong
[16:16] <somethinginteres> wondering if it is possible to resize icons in the launcher?
[16:17] <thiebaude> !unity plugin
[16:19] <thiebaude> in the compiz settings manager somethinginteres
[16:19] <thiebaude> if you have 3d unity
[16:20] <thiebaude> !ccsm
[16:22] <frybye> BluesKaj: tried everything - still get no sounds... hmmm??
[16:23] <frybye> i have to leavfe this now - wife going crazy me too much on pc .. bye
[16:30] <frybye> back - (sent her to buy a few beers.. crisis over.. hehe)
[16:31] <frybye> so who has a clue with this soundless box here.. (except when dual booting to win7 of course - that works still I assume..)
[16:32] <frybye> how to restart pulse??
[16:32] <penguin42> frybye: DO you get any sound from anywhere ?
[16:33] <frybye> not now... did up till i messed with it...
[16:33] <penguin42> any diea how you messed it up?
[16:33] <frybye> settings...
[16:34] <penguin42> any particular settings?
[16:34] <frybye> on the other hand it then made some pretty sick crackling sounds while trying to play music..
[16:34] <frybye> have tried everything that the sound settings offer...
[16:35] <penguin42> frybye: Under the hardware tab does it correctly show your sound card?
[16:35] <frybye> but of course with two sound cards there are a lot of options - the sb x-fi xtreme has never worked with ubuntu - so I am trying to concentrate on the other built in one .. I dont know what is in the main board.. i forget so much stuff - (war disab-)
[16:36] <frybye> in earliert ubuntus I had a hardware thing that listed eveything in the box - forgot its name
[16:36] <penguin42> frybye: So, in the hardware tab of sound preferences what do you see?
[16:37] <frybye> it shows one internal audio and the lifecam hd-3000 (for the mike) and the x-fi xtreme which never works when booting to ubuntu...
[16:37] <frybye> in alsamixer there were two internals listed - one ati and one nv apparently...
[16:38] <penguin42> ok, and under the output tab of sound preferences does it show the internal one  selected?
[16:38] <frybye> yeah with just connector: analog output...
[16:39] <penguin42> ok, under the hardware tab it says 'Analogue output' or Analogue stereo duplex?
[16:39] <frybye> have green cable in the green socket on m-board... and was working up till a bit back...
[16:39] <frybye> analog output
[16:39] <penguin42> try flipping that to Analogue stero duplex
[16:41] <frybye> under hardware I have internal audio 1 output/1 input analog stereo duplex - but under output it only shows the analog output still...
[16:41] <frybye> 2 choices - analog output and analoge headphones...
[16:41] <frybye> under the output tab...
[16:42] <penguin42> yeh, so in the hardware tab put it to analogue stero duplex
[16:42] <frybye> under hardware it is analog stero duplex...
[16:42] <frybye> did that but it doesent change in output tab...
[16:42] <penguin42> ok, I assume the Test speakers doesn't work on the hardwar etab?
[16:42] <frybye> no - but never has...
[16:44] <frybye> another angle - how to restart pulse audio...?
[16:44] <penguin42> pactl exit
[16:46] <frybye> connection failure: connection terminated""
[16:46] <frybye> so that stopped it or .. now to start again??
[16:46] <frybye> pactl or...?
[16:47] <Kartoffel_> hi guys, has anybody test 11.04 on a Notebook with NV 320m ?
[16:47] <Kartoffel_> eg. Macbook Pro
[16:48] <phoenix_> Amarok volume control problem. http://imagebin.org/146430
[16:48] <frybye> penguin42: you still there...
[16:53] <frybye> system sounds are working now but...
[16:53] <Nijabo> Anyone know if there's a way to toggle/remove the launcher arrows and solely use the background toggle to see if an app is on/off?
[16:53] <penguin42> frybye: Yeh
[16:54] <frybye> but in sound settings - under applications = zilch...
[16:54] <penguin42> frybye: If you use a pa app it should auto restart
[16:54] <frybye> so the prob is more banshee than sound stuff...
[16:57] <frybye> skype test call is working fine...
[16:57] <frybye> mfso banshee is dead apparently...
[16:57] <frybye> i will re-install it.. see you in a bit...
[16:58] <Schizoid> Very silly question, but where are the notification icons in unity?
[17:00] <frybye> hmm - re installed banshee - nothing has changed ... grrrr...
[17:01] <Martiini> Im looking for IRC channel for google help (specifically help on google docs) .. anyone knows such a channel ??
[17:02] <gnomefreak> i just had the weirdest thing happen. while starting it stopped on plymouth(not sure why) but i dropped to TTY1 stopped nad started gdm once it started i had a small dot as the curser. small enough it was almost unseen
[17:02] <gnomefreak> Martiini: maybe #google but let me try real fast
[17:02] <gnomefreak> Martiini: its #google
[17:02] <gnomefreak> bunch of people in there
[17:03] <gnomefreak> lol @ Fetched 13.3 MB in 47s (278 kB/s)
[17:03] <gnomefreak> W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_universe_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[17:04] <jpds> gnomefreak: Cool.
[17:04] <gnomefreak> :)
[17:04] <gnomefreak> update fixed it as normal
[17:11] <Schizoid> srsly where are system tray icons in unity?
[17:11] <frybye> Schizoid: beleive it or not - on the off button!!
[17:11] <Schizoid> frybye: huh
[17:14] <frybye> you mean where are the system controls.. the settings and stuff...
[17:15] <Schizoid> no
[17:15] <Nijabo> Anyone know if there's a way to toggle/remove the launcher arrows and solely use the background toggle to see if an app is on/off? (or if this is planned in anyway?)
[17:15] <Schizoid> like system tray icons, such as dropbox, or my media player has one, etc
[17:15] <frybye> sorry - then no clue...
[17:16] <Schizoid> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/how-to-hide-or-show-app-tray-applets-in-ubuntu-11-04/ jesus what a mess
[17:16] <frybye> penguin42: i found out what it was - and fixed.. on re-starting the banshee - I have to re-open the location - a partition normally used for win7... does not remember the location from session to session even though the songs/albums where shown...
[17:16] <penguin42> ah
[17:17]  * penguin42 doesn't use banshee
[17:17] <FoolishOwl> Hello.
[17:17] <frybye> penguin42: wise man.. ;)
[17:18] <frybye> penguin42: must admit it did tell me to copy my stuff into the local music folder - but I dont have room for that on the ubuntu partition...
[17:19] <FoolishOwl> I'm noticing that in "Preferred Applications", Thunderbird isn't an option for Email client. Also, Multimedia has "banshee-1" but not banshee, and Banshee isn't listed in the dropdown, only Rhythmbox.
[17:21] <FoolishOwl> Also, I'm wondering where there's a config file for the list of applications in the dock.
[17:23] <Nijabo> Anyone else had problems installing Chrome on Ubuntu 11.04 Beta1?
[17:23] <ceed^> Schizoid: If you're still here: This notification/system tray situation is ridiculous. I really do not like that some of my notification icons are allowed (like Skype) while others (like Opera) isn't. I have enabled all. I think that should be a setting in the application itself whether to have a notification icon or not.
[17:24] <Schizoid> ceed^: is there an easier way to enable them? other than using gsettings?
[17:24] <Schizoid> Nijabo: I have google chrome dev build installed, wasn't a problem at all
[17:24] <FoolishOwl> Nijabo, Chromium or Google Chrome?
[17:24] <ceed^> Schizoid: gsettings is what I used, but I allowed all instead of naming each one.
[17:25] <Schizoid> ceed^: oh, how do you do that?!
[17:25] <ceed^> schi
[17:25] <ceed^> sorry
[17:25] <ceed^> Schizoid:  Hold on I'll find it
[17:25] <Schizoid> http://www.fewt.com/2011/03/whitelist-utility-script-to-allow-apps.html this?
[17:26] <Schizoid> gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist " [ 'all' ] "
[17:26] <ceed^> Schizoid: http://pastebin.com/cQTLHvFu
[17:34] <FoolishOwl> Yep. Preferred Applications shows only Evolution. Not even an option to add a "custom" item.
[17:36] <FoolishOwl> gnomefreak, thanks.
[17:36] <gnomefreak> FoolishOwl: if i get around to it i will file a bug on it if i dont get answered. since i have other bugs to file. are you going to be around for the next few hours?
[17:36] <FoolishOwl> gnomefreak, probably not, but I can check in if it's helpful.
[17:37] <gnomefreak> FoolishOwl: can you pm me your email address. im hnot sure how lo0ng i will be here i have alot of work do to, so i would like to answer you when i find out the info or at least pm you with the bug number. OR if you can stay here for say 1 hour i will file the bug and give you the bug number in here so you can comment and confirm the bug.
[17:37] <gnomefreak> ill be right back
[17:39] <saxin> what is the status on nvidia geforce 9800gtx and ubuntu 11.04 atm? any problems that you know of?
[17:40] <bjsnider> no
[17:41] <saxin> so nvidia drivers should be fixed now?
[17:41] <gnomefreak> i think they both have (ati and nvidia) but dont quote me on that)
[17:41] <DasEi> is there a guide for changes 10>11 one can read up ?
[17:43] <Schizoid> saxin: i have 11.04 with a geforce 8800GT and nvidia drivers, works well so fqr
[17:43] <saxin> great
[17:43] <Schizoid> a few compiz crashes here and there
[17:43] <gnomefreak> thats compiz not video drivers
[17:44] <Schizoid> gnomefreak: i know
[17:44] <gnomefreak> compiz has been crashing for some people for a while. my chrashes have been fixed after fileing a bug :)
[17:44] <gnomefreak> good afternoon mvo
[17:45] <gnomefreak> FoolishOwl: can you please give me a link to your launchpad home page
[17:45] <gnomefreak> you can PM it to me if you prefer
[17:45] <bowser> my ubuntu logo turns sometimes blue, what does that mean?
[17:46] <gnomefreak> bowser: what logo/where?
[17:46] <vish> bowser: that means some app window is calling for attention
[17:46] <bowser> gnomefr: top left corner
[17:46] <gnomefreak> and what color is normal
[17:46] <gnomefreak> ah
[17:47] <gnomefreak> bowser: not sure that i havent seen before or heard of yet
[17:47] <Schizoid> mine does that during synaptic installs
[17:47] <bowser> but clicking it does not do anything
[17:47] <gnomefreak> ah vish knows ;)
[17:47]  * gnomefreak never noticed that
[17:47] <vish> :)
[17:47] <gnomefreak> ok brb need to speak to wife
[17:48] <bowser> unity and all - it is fantastic to see innovation in the user interfaces!
[17:48] <bowser> and I'm not talking about the color change now :)
[17:49] <vish> bowser: clicking on it wont do anything, but it might be improved »  bug 750119
[17:50] <bowser> I see
[17:52] <cecko> It might be be cool if the logo worked, like in Maemo (Nokia N900), - that it would trigger whachyacallit - Dashboard in Maemo, Exposé on MacOS
[17:55] <cecko> I mean I use the corners of the screen for windows selection and Expo (desktops selection), but clicking the logo would work without mouse also - on touch based devices - that seems to matter to designers now
[17:56] <cecko> BTW is there any IRC client that would integrate with messaging menu in Ubnuntu's top panel?
[18:02] <FoolishOwl> Funny, I'm just reading an article on Ars Technica on how the Thunderbird team is being brought back into the Mozilla team -- and most of the responses are, 'Who doesn't use Webmail now?'
[18:28] <cecko> that's why we need FreedomBox, so that we can have our email ours again, yet accessible everywhere
[18:30] <gnomefreak> crap where did he go
[18:31] <gnomefreak> ok not sure if he knows how to use memo service so i guess i have to find his email
[18:32] <dylan-m> Hey, I noticed Compiz crashes whenever I enable a plugin that wants the text plugin… which might relate to why the window switcher doesn't have any text. Anyone know if there's a bug report about this?
[18:41] <om26er> dylan-m, for "whenever I enable a plugin" part there is a very famous bug not sure about the rest
[18:42] <dylan-m> Nice timing! I just found it. Bug 685552, right?
[18:42] <om26er> yes
[18:42] <dylan-m> om26er Sounds like the text plugin is never enabled automatically. I must have been imagining it or something…
[18:56] <zniavre> good evening
[18:56] <JohnHeikkila> zniavre: Evening.
[18:56] <JohnHeikkila> !offtopic > zniavre
[18:57] <Pici> People are allowed to say hi...
[18:57] <zniavre> there is a way to clean the dash history please ?
[18:57] <Pici> dash history?
[18:58] <zniavre> file/folder/launcher
[18:58] <Daekdroom> For a moment I thought he said bash
[18:58] <zniavre> sorry for my english ...
[18:58] <Pici> zniavre: Do you mean your bash history?  dash is not meant to be a login shell.
[18:59] <zniavre> with unity if i type alt+f2 it gives all history how to clean it ?
[18:59] <trism> zniavre: perhaps http://www.webupd8.org/2010/12/how-to-clear-zeitgeist-history-quick.html
[19:01] <zniavre> trying right now  i need to relog
[19:04] <zniavre> sorry i forgot to thanks
[19:04] <zniavre> but it does not work
[19:04] <zniavre> :o)
[19:04] <trism> zniavre: it worked here *shrugs*
[19:04] <zniavre> ho ?
[19:06] <zniavre> i typed today two wrong commands i just rm'ed as the websote told but the wrong commands still there
[19:06] <Guest6485> every time i resume from suspend i get an error that suspend failed
[19:06] <zniavre> site*
[19:06] <Guest6485> even though it clearly didnt
[19:06] <aditirex>  I have a problem with / , doesn't mount at start ( natty - kubuntu )
[19:07] <trism> zniavre: oh, the alt+f2 history, yeah doesn't seem to work for that
[19:07] <alexs> anyone have any issues with suspend?
[19:07] <trism> zniavre: it did clear the recent files/apps though
[19:07] <alexs> also i have no option to hibernate
[19:07] <alexs> but thats probably something to do with crypted swap
[19:17] <trism> zniavre: found it, gconf-editor: /apps/gnome-settings/gnome-panel/history-gnome-run , double click it and you can select and remove any commands you don't want in the history, then log out/back in and they are gone
[19:20] <dylan-m> zniavre: Or, from the looks of it, run five other things :)
[19:25] <zniavre> trism it did the trick  thank you
[19:50] <Malkavian> hi, I installed natty and after an update a few minutes ago I cannot start ubuntu anylonger, I am using now the live session; how can I login back into the old system? when I try to boot, it comes to the login windows but then it would take no input
[19:50] <Malkavian> some xserver packages were updated
[19:51] <Malkavian> after the update i got a message that some gstream stuff were not updated ok
[19:53] <Malkavian> anyone? is there anyway to recover the installation from the live cd?
[19:54] <Malkavian> ok, where do I find the evolution mail and address book on the hard disk?
[19:55] <Malkavian> as the update destroyed ubuntu completly I want at least my mails back
[19:57] <Malkavian> anyone??
[19:57] <Malkavian> i cannot even use the recovery console
[19:58] <Malkavian> it would just stop loading
[19:58] <bengold_> hey all, the files place in Unity doesn't seem to be indexing my files
[19:58] <bengold_> If i search for files i know exist, I get no response
[19:58] <Drknzz> Hi guys, how can i change grub's background colors to blue instead of purple?
[19:59] <Malkavian> after the update a few minutes ago I restarted the machine and I could not login anylonger as the login screen would not take any input from me
[20:00] <Malkavian> the recovery console stops loading after a few seconds
[20:00] <ninjai> hey guys, ty be dead, I found this in dmesg: ata4.00: status: {DRDY ERR}, and ata4.00: status: { ABRT }.
[20:00] <ninjai> wow
[20:00] <ninjai> irrsi is glitching
[20:00] <ninjai> lol
[20:00] <ninjai> *i think my resize2fs is frozen
[20:01] <ninjai> how can I be sure?
[20:01] <SwedeMike> run iostat -x 5 and see if there is still activity on the drives
[20:01] <Drknzz> ninjai: fsck it?
[20:01] <skyjumper> installing Natty beta now... the installer app is really nice
[20:01] <skyjumper> kudos to whoever worked on that
[20:02] <Malkavian> hey has anyone any idea how I could recover the ubuntu installation?
[20:02] <ninjai> SwedeMike: what package is iostat in?
[20:02] <Malkavian> or at least where are the evolution mails??
[20:02] <Malkavian> where do I find them on disk
[20:02] <SwedeMike> ninjai: "apt-cache search iostat" to find out.
[20:02] <skyjumper> Malkavian: in your home directory
[20:02] <trancegeek> i just noticed a package named bamfdaemon
[20:03] <trancegeek> bamf = bad ass mother fucker
[20:03] <trancegeek> that's pretty bamf
[20:03] <Malkavian> ok, I will try to recover my data and then say goodbye to ubuntu for ever
[20:03] <trancegeek> bye
[20:04] <ninjai> SwedeMike: everything is 0.0 :)
[20:04] <ninjai> *:(
[20:04] <trancegeek> !
[20:04] <Malkavian> I just updated my system and I cannot even login
[20:04] <trancegeek> just give up then
[20:04] <trancegeek> it's not worth fixing it
[20:04] <trancegeek> may as well go back to windows
[20:04] <SwedeMike> ninjai: check with "ps auxw | grep resize" and see if it's in D state, then it might indeed be frozen, you can strace -p <pid> as well to see what it's doing.
[20:04] <Malkavian> I would fix the damn thing if I knew how
[20:05] <trancegeek> you would know how if you learned how :)
[20:05] <charlie-tca__> Malkavian: I think evolution data is in ~/.evolution
[20:05] <lcb> Malkavian, updated or upgraded?
[20:05] <charlie-tca__> At least it used to be
[20:05] <Malkavian> lcb: update+upgrade
[20:05] <Malkavian> then restared
[20:06] <lcb> Malkavian, from 10.10?
[20:06] <Malkavian> no, from natty
[20:06] <Malkavian> 11.04
[20:06] <trancegeek> 11.10 is out?
[20:06] <ninjai> SwedeMike: 41% this time when I checked.
[20:06] <Malkavian> beta
[20:06] <ninjai> cpu time
[20:06] <lcb> i just did it on a desktop and everything's working
[20:06] <charlie-tca__> trancegeek: no, 11.10 is not even started yet
[20:06] <trancegeek> that's what i thought
[20:06] <Malkavian> i installed the beta, upgraded packages  and then bang! no login
[20:07] <trancegeek> oh he's talking apt commands
[20:07] <Malkavian> not even the recovery console is working
[20:07] <trancegeek> does it boot?
[20:07] <ninjai> SwedeMike: earlier it was claiming to be using 102% of my cpu (I have a dual core), is it normal for this to use a lot of CPU? I'd think it would be more I/O than CPU
[20:07] <lcb> Malkavian, when booting press SHIFT after bios messages them do dpkg
[20:07] <SwedeMike> ninjai: don't remember.
[20:07] <ninjai> ok
[20:07] <Malkavian> lcb: just press shift?
[20:08] <Malkavian> the system boots, but at the login windows won't take any input: mouse and keyboard are not working
[20:08] <lcb> Malkavian, right after bios booting/messages. then click on ckean then dpkg then grub then failsate
[20:09] <lcb> ckean=clean in typenglish
[20:09] <Malkavian> lcb: can you give me the exact commands as I will try them right now but I need them on paper
[20:10] <lcb> Malkavian, easy: you'll get a choice of linux normal or recovery
[20:11] <lcb> then select recovery. you'l get a dialog with clean, dpkg, failsafe, grub and root
[20:11] <lcb> do it all except root. the last one you do will be failsafe
[20:11] <lcb> select default on failsafe, cancel, run X
[20:12] <lcb> then, btw, do this:
[20:12] <lcb> sudo apt-get update && check && apt-get -f install && reboot
[20:13] <lcb> going back to windows is not a solution - it's part of the problem. the problem, normally, are ourselves :p
[20:13] <patdk-wk> man, openoffice is killing me :(
[20:14] <lcb> oops... wait..
[20:14] <lcb> that 'check' must be apt-get check
[20:15] <lcb> patdk-wk, that's because it's open. kill it and start again :)
[20:15] <trancegeek> heh
[20:16] <patdk-wk> hehe
[20:16] <trancegeek> how do you display cpu stats through terminal?
[20:16] <trancegeek> or... specs
[20:16] <lcb> top
[20:16] <patdk-wk> I have 3 spreadsheets open, and it takes 2+ min to click the mouse now
[20:16] <patdk-wk> and I have 8gigs ram, with 4gigs free :(
[20:16] <trancegeek> no like info about the cpu
[20:16] <trancegeek> i know there's a command
[20:16] <lcb> top
[20:16] <trancegeek> it isn't top
[20:16] <patdk-wk> cpu stats or specs?
[20:16] <patdk-wk> stats is top :)
[20:16] <trancegeek> specs
[20:16] <ali1234> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[20:16] <lcb> htop
[20:16] <patdk-wk> system specs is either cat /proc/cpuinfo or lshw
[20:17] <trancegeek> model name	: AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor
[20:17] <lcb> specs is another thing
[20:17] <lcb> hardinfo, i guess it gives what yiou want
[20:17] <trancegeek> not to brag or anything
[20:18] <trancegeek> but... my cpu is at 100% usage at load 6.00 XD
[20:18] <lcb> trancegeek, in other words.. is in trance ::)
[20:18] <lcb> too many things loaded, probably
[20:18] <trancegeek> umm no
[20:19] <trancegeek> load average: 1.36, 1.10, 1.01
[20:19] <lcb> firefox with too many addons
[20:19] <trancegeek> and i'm running updates
[20:19] <lcb> ohhh so wait
[20:19] <trancegeek> i'm saying my cpu is at 100% usage when the load hits 6.00
[20:20] <patdk-wk> 100% cpu and load have nothing to do with each other
[20:20] <trancegeek> they aren't the same
[20:20] <trancegeek> i know that
[20:20] <lcb> 100 is too high tough... somethings cooking in background
[20:20] <lcb> check with top
[20:20] <SwedeMike> patdk-wk: "nothing" might be too strong, but you're basically right.
[20:21] <trancegeek> zomg
[20:21] <trancegeek> ok
[20:21] <patdk-wk> well, have a very loose relation :)
[20:21] <trancegeek> my cpu usage is at 22% average and i'm running updates
[20:21] <Pici> topic
[20:21] <Pici> oops
[20:21] <trancegeek> i'm not saying my cpu usage is too much
[20:21] <patdk-wk> my cpu usage hardly ever goes >10% even with a load of like 10
[20:21] <trancegeek> prob poor io
[20:22] <patdk-wk> it's good to have 24cores
[20:22] <lcb> i sayd 100 is too high... i mean, there isn't higher
[20:22] <trancegeek> oh yeah
[20:22] <trancegeek> what kind of cpu?
[20:22] <trancegeek> or
[20:22] <trancegeek> cpus
[20:22] <trancegeek> opteron?
[20:22] <patdk-wk> dual x5650's
[20:23] <trancegeek> yeah
[20:23] <lcb> removing cd/s dvd/s from drives also helps, if you have it
[20:23] <trancegeek> intel costs too much for what you get though
[20:23] <patdk-wk> trancegeek, relative
[20:23] <patdk-wk> it all depends on your load
[20:24] <trancegeek> i haven't managed to max my cpu out yet unless it was a stress test so
[20:24] <patdk-wk> amd doesn't make a cpu with enough onboard cache to be useful for me
[20:24] <AnubArack> can I install 10.10 and then update to 10.04 from within ? I'm on a netbook and i saw Ubuntu Netbook edition was dicontinued so I want to get used to unity ...
[20:24] <trancegeek> think i paid $130 for my cpu
[20:24] <trancegeek> and it's the second best amd
[20:24] <trancegeek> no
[20:24] <trancegeek> $200
[20:24] <lcb> AnubArack, you mean upgrade to 11.04
[20:24] <Pici> Can we try to stay on-topic here folks?
[20:24] <Malkavian> lcb: thanks; I will try it now
[20:24] <AnubArack> my bad, yes 11.04
[20:24] <skyjumper> unity's pretty cool... but where the hell are all the system settings?
[20:24] <lcb> Malkavian, :) good luck. pray to your God and patience helps
[20:26] <lcb> skyjumper, try under Themes & Tweaks
[20:27] <skyjumper> lcb: where's that at?
[20:28] <lcb> skyjumper, on natty bar, on the left, seleck Applications then the one i told you
[20:29] <skyjumper> there's no 'themes & tweaks' in there
[20:29] <lcb> skyjumper, are you on Ubuntu or Ubuntu CVlassic desktop?
[20:29] <lcb> Classic..
[20:29] <skyjumper> unity on natty beta
[20:30] <lcb> but on login, did you select Ubuntu?
[20:30] <lcb> skyjumper, don't you have a left bar ?
[20:30] <skyjumper> looks like "Ubuntu" was auto selected
[20:30] <skyjumper> there's a left bar
[20:31] <lcb> so, the one with a + sign, it's Applications
[20:31] <chris4585> when upgrading to 11.04 via the CD, where does the files in /home temporarily go?
[20:31] <skyjumper> lcb: yes, clearly
[20:31] <skyjumper> but there's nothing labeled 'themes' in there
[20:31] <lcb> skyjumper, then, on that one, select it and you'll get more options. select themes & tweaks
[20:31] <skyjumper> i see... the text in the top right is a pulldown
[20:32] <lcb> ok
[20:32] <lcb> skyjumper, don't change everything at one before you are familiarized with natty
[20:32] <lcb> at one = at once*
[20:33] <dougmencken> hi guys! just interesting: which gcc version will be in 11.04?
[20:33] <dougmencken> and kernel version
[20:33] <skyjumper> right
[20:33] <skyjumper> this is way more slick than i expected
[20:34] <dougmencken> (cond ((< (string->version "gcc") 4.6) (display "nope!")) (else (display "cool"))
[20:34] <Pici> Looks like 4.5.2
[20:34] <Pici> And 2.6.38.8.22
[20:35] <Pici> dougmencken: ^
[20:35] <dougmencken> nope! ;)
[20:36] <dougmencken> 2.6.38.*8* o_0
[20:36] <dougmencken> 2.6.38.2 is currently the last one in .38 series ;)
[20:36] <Pici> Its probably some internal number.  I just grabbed it off of whatever rmadison said.
[20:36] <Pici> !info linux
[20:37] <chris4585> !ubiquity
[20:37] <Pici> dougmencken: The source package says '2.6.38-8.40'
[20:37] <chris4585> !info ubiquity
[20:37] <dougmencken> hmm, okay, so migration to 4.6 is stalled :(
[20:37] <rww> things after - are internal, yes
[20:37] <dougmencken> Pici: okay, so it's 2.6.38
[20:37] <Pici> rww: thanks
[20:38] <dougmencken> rww: internal thing is FOSS community argh
[20:38] <dougmencken> s/thing is/things in/
[20:40] <dougmencken> the fact is: ~60% of packages are not buildable with 4.6 w/o patching; heh, what am I talking about, firefox source tarballs still require autocong 2.13 (>10 yeras old) ;)
[20:40] <dougmencken> thanks you for information anyway, and good luck
[20:40] <rww> dougmencken: I mean "internal" as in "not an upstream version number"
[20:40] <rww> unless you're objecting to packages having versioning o.O
[20:43] <ali1234> maybe he's objecting to packages having local patches, without which there'd be no need for versioning?
[20:43] <dougmencken> so gcc 4.5.2 and linux 2.6.38.[0-3], okay, got it
[20:43] <rww> ali1234: That'd be an equally odd stance.
[20:43] <ali1234> even more so i think :)
[20:45] <chris4585> does ubiquity have a dev channel? I'm having some data loss...
[20:45] <dougmencken> bye guys, see you later
[20:54] <trancegeek> patdk you liar
[20:54] <trancegeek> you don't have 24 cores
[20:54] <trancegeek> patdk-wk,
[21:13] <patdk-wk> trancegeek heh?
[21:13] <searayman> hey all i just tried upgrading from ubuntu 10.10 to natty and its all messy as hell right now. When I first logged on there were hug black blotches everywere and I hav no unity bar nothing
[21:16] <searayman> anyoen in here able to help me with my problem?
[21:18] <joumetal> searayman: have you tried classic desktop session?
[21:19] <searayman> joumetal: yes, i am in tha now. Everything is workign but my compiz seemed to not start, and i am pretty sure i am in gnome not unity
[21:19] <ali1234> i had same thing when i upgraded
[21:19] <ali1234> no 3d in any of the desktops
[21:19] <searayman> ali1234: did you fix it?
[21:19] <ali1234> no, i reinstalled fresh
[21:19] <ali1234> then it worked
[21:20] <searayman> ahhh, i got a whoel lot of data i cant afford to loose
[21:20] <ali1234> i never do upgrades on production machines anyway
[21:20] <ali1234> it never, ever, works right
[21:20] <searayman> lol :-)
[21:20] <searayman> oopsy, i do it a lot
[21:20] <searayman> think there is nyway to salvage this situation without doign a fresh install?
[21:20] <joumetal> have you same gpu?
[21:20] <ali1234> i only did the upgrade to see how broken it was this time, turns out "very"
[21:21] <ali1234> the gpu in the machine was pineview
[21:21] <searayman> joumetal: yea i hvent changed any hardware
[21:21] <PresuntoRJ> searayman: does it still boot via live cd?
[21:21] <searayman> havent tried, and dont have any cd's available at this time
[21:22] <PresuntoRJ> searayman: you could try to backup up what you need then (booting via live CD) to an external drive or USB dongle (pen drive), or another machine in the network - that is in the nature of a beta release, things can go a lot worng
[21:23] <searayman> if i have a dual boot and re install fresh will it erase windows?
[21:24] <meganerd> searayman: it depends on how you do the install
[21:24] <searayman> if i do it via the gui?
[21:24] <searayman> from the live cd
[21:25] <meganerd> searayman: there are many options, one wrong click and you can wipe the whole drive
[21:25] <searayman> i know....
[21:25] <searayman> lol
[21:25] <meganerd> searayman: so you can do it both ways
[21:26] <meganerd> searayman: what I am saying is that result is deendanding on you :)
[21:26] <searayman> can i boot off a external hard drive like i can with a usb drive?
[21:26] <meganerd> should be depending
[21:26] <meganerd> searayman: it depends on the BIOS of the computer you are using, but in theory yes
[21:26] <searayman> ok, well thats the only thing i possibel have with me at the moment lol
[21:27] <meganerd> searayman: I have a hard drive on me with 10.04 installed on it.  It works on most modern machines, but not all.
[21:27] <searayman> also can i store all my files on my external alongside the bootable iso on the drive?
[21:28] <searayman> also how can i check real quick if i need amd or i386 iso?
[21:29] <meganerd> uname -a
[21:29] <meganerd> will tell you what you have.  If you have less than 4 GiB of RAM then you don't really need the 64 bit one
[21:29] <searayman> thnks, my insticnt was correct on what i had, just wanted to make sure
[21:31] <searayman> do you know of a good torent? for the i 386 natty the one i am tryign to download wont even download the torrent file
[21:31] <searayman> and direct download is saying 1 day....
[21:32] <meganerd> I just pull them from the ubuntu site: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[21:32] <searayman> ok i just found a faste rone
[21:32] <searayman> 2 min
[21:33] <searayman> for backing up do you think one large tar would work?
[21:35] <mrdeb> why is 1104 hitting more sources
[21:35] <searayman> ?
[21:36] <meganerd> searayman: there are thousands of ways of backing up.
[21:36] <searayman> i just want an easy way. I have a few folders
[21:36] <meganerd> searayman: yes it could work, it would also preserve permissions
[21:36] <searayman> and music and some movies
[21:36] <searayman> i will do that
[21:37] <searayman> now does the external hard drive i am booting from have to soley be the iso thts bootable or can i have my backed up files on there too?
[21:37] <meganerd> make sure that the destination file system can handle large files.  FAT32 for example tops out at 2 GB, and I have had NTFS fail at 4 GB (older version of NTFS from NT4)
[21:38] <PresuntoRJ> searayman: it it has enough free sapce, it can hold any files you copy to it also
[21:38] <searayman> k, but could both be on there, since i am compressign in tar its not huge my backed up files
[21:38] <searayman> PresuntoRJ: thanks i just wasnt sure if it would mess up with the install
[21:39] <searayman> PresuntoRJ: do i have to do somethign special to the iso to make it bootable?
[21:39] <PresuntoRJ> searayman: not really, every Ubuntu release ISO is bootable... just dont copy it to a pen drive or external drive and expect it to boot from...
[21:40] <searayman> ok cool, lmost done compressing all my things
[21:40] <PresuntoRJ> searayman: the ISO is like a ZIP or TAR.GZ file that contais the image os a CD
[21:40] <searayman> hopefully this goes well
[21:40] <searayman> thanks, i am new to programing just started my cs/it major this year although i have used ubuntu for years i am finally gettign to figure how things work
[21:41] <PresuntoRJ> there is an application in the default Ubuntu installation just to create bootable drives from ISO images... there are other ways to do that in a Windows or Mac also... and, ofcourse, the ISO can be burst to a CD-R via Burn Image option (the name may vary)
[21:42] <PresuntoRJ> searayman: good
[21:42] <searayman> but i do not need to create a bootable drivve of my iso right just dump it on my external?
[21:42] <coz_>  good day to all
[21:43] <soreau> Why does natty have an official release date already? I thought release dates were always to-be-determined until the actual release
[21:44] <searayman> PresuntoRJ: also any suggestions to make sure i only overwrite my old ubuntu install and not windows?
[21:44] <charlie-tca__> Got to have a target date to aim for
[21:44] <jbicha> soreau: official dates have been set in advance for many releases now
[21:44] <charlie-tca__> Every release has a target date set 6 months in advance
[21:45] <soreau> I guess they reserve the right to change it at any time :P
[21:45] <charlie-tca__> yup, and sometimes it does move around
[21:45] <charlie-tca__> 10.10 release date was originally set for the end of October, but got moved up
[21:46] <mrdeb> listen
[21:46] <mrdeb> why is apt getting updates in 1104
[21:46] <mrdeb> isnt it stable by onw
[21:46] <Pici> mrdeb: What does the changelog say?
[21:48] <mrdeb> Pici: i dont read that
[21:49] <BUGabundo> yo o/ :D
[21:49] <yofel> it was an apt bugfix release, why shouldn't we get that?
[21:49] <yofel> hey BUGabundo ^^
[21:50] <BUGabundo> no more ship it :\
[21:51] <genii-around> mrdeb: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.8.13.2ubuntu1/changelog)
[21:53] <mrdeb> hey guys
[21:53] <mrdeb> the new kernel is downloading. is this gonna scrwe up the nvidia driver from working? if so, how do you remove and isntall it againt from command line only
[21:53] <mrdeb> in case i have to do it
[21:53] <py_> hello i am having sound problems on my macbook pro 5,5
[21:54] <py_> the funny thing is it works on login
[21:54] <py_> but not when i am loged in
[21:54] <py_> this is my alsa report
[21:54] <py_> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=168d06d9804c518a198ae79bc1ba46fea1159c61
[21:55] <yofel> mrdeb: if you installed the packaged nvidia driver you shouldn't have to worry about that
[21:56] <fili> hello all, question: Ubuntu 11.04 beta - is there any way to minimise stuff like evolution / emphaty to the main top panel instead of the unity panel on the left?
[21:56] <mrdeb> yeah but to be sure, should i unistall before rebooting into new kernel and install it again from jockey
[21:56] <mrdeb> ?
[21:56] <yofel> mrdeb: no
[21:56] <mrdeb> r u sure
[21:56] <yofel> it'll get rebuilt when the kernel is installed
[21:56] <yofel> automatically
[21:56] <mrdeb> ok
[21:56] <mrdeb> i heard this doesnt always owrk though
[21:58] <yofel> well, it does have failure potential, but it does work 98% of the time usually
[21:58] <mrdeb> it not, how do you recover rom command line to remove nvidia and install it again
[21:59] <yofel> apt-get remove nvidia-current; apt-get install nvidia-current
[21:59] <yofel> no need to touch xorg.conf for that
[21:59] <mrdeb> ok thanks
[21:59] <skyjumper> anyone have a patch for vmware modules on natty beta?
[22:00] <searayman> PresuntoRJ: so i am about to go, trnsfering the last files. All i have to do is reboot with my external drive plugged via usb right? Maybe set boot options?
[22:00] <bjsnider> mrdeb, there is a command you can run to make sure the nvidia driver is installed after you finished upgrading the kernel
[22:00] <mrdeb> oh really
[22:01] <bjsnider> mrdeb, the command is dkms status
[22:01] <mrdeb> should i run that right now
[22:01] <bjsnider> is the kernel finished upgrading?
[22:02] <mrdeb> no
[22:02] <mrdeb> it's downloading
[22:02] <bjsnider> run it after it finishes installing but before rebooting
[22:03] <mrdeb> im scared
[22:08] <mrdeb> if you copy all files from one hdd to the next, how do you then install grub to the second hdd
[22:10] <TLF> hello
[22:10] <TLF> I did a dist-upgrade today, rebooted
[22:10] <drmorphias> TLF, hi
[22:10] <TLF> and I can't login through gdm
[22:10] <TLF> any clues??
[22:12] <AnubArack> how can I upgrade my 10.10 to 11.04 ?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> ofc
[22:12] <BUGabundo> !upgrade > AnubArack
[22:14] <TLF> mmmm
[22:14] <TLF> I think is a problem in whole GNOME
[22:14] <TLF> :(
[22:15] <mrdeb> eh
[22:15] <AnubArack> BUGabundo, none of those links have the answer
[22:16] <BUGabundo> what ?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> AnubArack: $ update-manager -d
[22:16] <BUGabundo> go go go
[22:17]  * Pici points at release notes in topic
[22:17] <drmorphias> go go gadget, go! :-)
[22:17] <BUGabundo> ta ta ran ta ta rannn
[22:18] <PresuntoRJ> !upgrade > PresuntoRJ
[22:19] <BUGabundo> eehheh
[22:20] <drmorphias> i love ubuntu.  i got a decent OS and i got world of warcraft working.  heck, i dont need windows for the rest of my life :D
[22:20] <mrdeb> bug?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> haumpf
[22:24] <coz_> drmorphias,  :)
[22:25] <ubuntuguy> What customizations will we be able to make to unity?
[22:26] <ali1234> you can pin different apps to the launcher bar
[22:26] <ali1234> you can make the launch never hide
[22:26] <ubuntuguy> WIll you be able to make the lancher smaller?
[22:27] <ali1234> don't think so
[22:27] <ubuntuguy> :l
[22:27] <ali1234> i don't think you can do anything but those two things
[22:27] <krabador> please, tell me that i can move down the bar at the left on unity
[22:27] <ali1234> what do you mean "move down"
[22:27] <ubuntuguy> Nope, you won't be able to move bAR
[22:28] <ali1234> you mean move it to the bottom of the screen?
[22:29] <ddbt-nl> is the non-complete snapping to half of the screen of the terminal already reported as a bug? it still leaves some open space around the edges.. it looks kinda sloppy
[22:30] <mrdeb> ddbt-nl: are you windows blank
[22:30] <searayman> PresuntoRJ: hey when i tried boot options and chose usb device my computer just hanged and never booted off my external hard drive?
[22:32] <mrdeb> did you install to that partition
[22:33] <ddbt-nl> is the snapping of the terminal to one half of the screen already reported as a bug? it does not snap completely and it still leaves some space around the corners. this looks sloppy.
[22:33] <zaery> I've got a radeon 6970m, and ubuntu's telling me that I don't need any additional drivers to make it work nicely, does anyone know if the default drivers are actually good?
[22:36] <mrdeb> zaery: they work and ar emor stable than the ati drivers, but less peformance. what are you gonna do with they
[22:36] <mrdeb> them
[22:37] <zaery> play games with wine, how much less performance?
[22:37] <searayman> anyoen know how i can boot off of an external hard drive?
[22:37] <switch10_> searayman: use unetbootin to put it on the drive.
[22:38] <searayman> switch10_: trying but it does not see my external....
[22:38] <mrdeb> wine sucks
[22:38] <searayman> switch10_: ubuntu sees my external though cause i see it on the desktop and can put things on it or take things frm it
[22:39] <searayman> switch10_: any other ideas?
[22:40] <switch10_> searayman: have you tried the USB creator that comes with ubuntu?
[22:40] <searayman> i think so whats it called again, i tried one other thing but forget its name
[22:40] <switch10_> searayman: startup disk creator
[22:40] <graingert> heya
[22:41] <graingert> what "Updates" should I have ticked in "Software Sources"?
[22:41] <graingert> important, Recomended proposed and unsuported?
[22:42] <searayman> switch10_: tha tone only recognizes my hard drive...
[22:45] <thiebaude> graingert, i choose all of them :)
[22:45] <charlie-tca__> graingert: normally, you do not want proposed or backports
[22:46] <charlie-tca__> since once natty releases, that would mean you get the untested packages as soon as they hit
[22:47] <graingert> cool just unticked backports
[22:53] <mrdeb> it seems the blank windows are fixed
[22:56] <cg2916> how to i make it so that GRUB starts with the menu as default instead of the command line?
[22:56] <mrdeb> no. still blank windows
[22:58] <Narc> Hello all. I looked on the web but I'd like to be sure : Natty will use GNOME 2.x, right ? Not GNOME 3...
[22:58] <yofel> yes, unity and gnome 2.32
[22:58] <Narc> Thanks yofel
[22:59] <bgold> Hey guys. Am I using the File Lens wrong, or is it just not working properly yet? On a fresh install of Natty with only one file in my pictures dir (tornado.png), it doesn't fidnd it at all
[22:59] <DasEi> !editor
[23:00] <DasEi> what was this new editor, changed for oo in natty called again ?
[23:01] <bgold> LibreOffice?
[23:01] <DasEi> bgold: yup, thank you
[23:01] <bgold> Does the File Search in Unity work for anyone here?
[23:07] <Kevin1a> I just noticed that the "floating gnome foot screensaver" is still present in the Natty Beta.  Shouldn't this have been removed since Ubuntu now uses ?
[23:07] <Kevin1a> Unity
[23:07] <charlie-tca__> Unity does not replace Gnome
[23:07] <Narc> Kevin1a: Ubuntu still uses GNOME, Unity is just a "shell" for GNOME
[23:07] <charlie-tca__> it adds to it
[23:13] <gordonjcp> nemo: ping
[23:14] <nemo> pong
[23:14] <nemo> so. how goes the ATI card :)
[23:14] <gordonjcp> nemo: I went down the "modify the theme" route
[23:14] <gordonjcp> nemo: you total, total genius
[23:15] <magn3ts> Which is dumber? Unity not coming with a config tool, or GNOME3 completely lacking the ability to change even the GTK+ theme?
[23:16] <nemo> gordonjcp: yeah. but I'm still irritated that all that is necessary
[23:17] <gordonjcp> nemo: yeah
[23:17] <nemo> hm. I wonder if natty has picked up the compiz focus fix
[23:17] <gordonjcp> nemo: I'm considering a package of "make ubuntu not suck" tweaks
[23:17] <nemo> the one that was bugging up various applications (like firefox 4)
[23:17] <nemo> it was landed on compiz just a couple of weeks ago
[23:19] <gordonjcp> oh ghod this is amazing, I've been on this for about ten minutes now and not even a little bit of eyestrain
[23:19] <Kevin1a> I actually left Ubuntu because of Unity, but after trying Gnome 3 and not particularly likeing it either I've decided to test drive both Ubuntu Natty and Fedora 15 and let them fight for my affection.  I have to say, I'm starting to hate Unity less now that I'm using it, but a lot of the stuff still seems counterintuitive.
[23:19] <gordonjcp> Kevin1a: I still don't like the ugly strip down the side
[23:20] <gordonjcp> but losing the knackered monitor effect on windows is good
[23:20] <ali1234> you could just carry on using classic
[23:20] <thiebaude> im just using 11.04 with gnome and macbuntu :) with nvidia drivers not installed,lol
[23:20] <nemo> ali1234: that's what I'm doing :)
[23:20] <ali1234> that's what i'm doing too
[23:20] <nemo> ali1234: but I may give unity another shot in a week or two. it may have improved, maybe
[23:20] <gordonjcp> I *know* my LCD isn't great, I don't need fake blurry wobbly effects to make it look worse
[23:21] <Kevin1a> I agree, I'm on a netbook 1200x600 or something like that.  Screen real estate is already uber-scarce for me.  A lot of windows hang off the bottom half of the screen and I have to tab to the unseen confirm or next buttons and hope I don't accidently hit quit
[23:21] <nemo> gordonjcp: the only effect I'm willing to slow down my sucky intel card on my laptop for is gaussian blur on translucent terminals
[23:21] <nemo> gordonjcp: and that slows it down enough w/o having that huge drop shadow
[23:22] <nemo> Kevin1a: on my laptop, where I'm still using gnome classic, I have only one bar, along the top, and I shrunk that one to 24px
[23:22] <nemo> er
[23:22] <nemo> 20px
[23:22] <nemo> (also replaced the App/Places/Sys w/ the button menu
[23:22] <nemo> )
[23:22] <nemo> my mom has gone a step farther and set her menu to autohide
[23:22] <ali1234> can't stand that button menu myself
[23:22] <ali1234> it just means i have tomake 1 extra click when launching a program
[23:23] <nemo> ali1234: if you want to have the broken up menu, you can have that while still reducing space on a bar by forcing a "translation" of it
[23:23] <nemo> change the text to like  App/Loc/Sys
[23:23] <ali1234> i don't want to reduce space
[23:23] <nemo> or A / P / S
[23:23] <nemo> or whatever
[23:23] <ali1234> i want it to be nice and big so i can easily click on it
[23:23] <nemo> ali1234: well. this is for fitting more on a bar, if you're trying to do away with the bottom bar
[23:23] <ali1234> i'm not
[23:24] <nemo> guess you're not on a laptop
[23:24] <Kevin1a> Nemo: I've been using gnome classic with no bottom bar and an emerald theme that makes the boarders really really thin.  I know the keyboard shortcuts anyway, so I don't need the buttons anyway, just a place to grab when I'm tiling windows.
[23:24] <ali1234> if i was, i would use hildon
[23:25] <nemo> Kevin1a: I did a custom theme w/ really tiny/thin buttons/sliders :)
[23:25] <ali1234> i still use human-theme
[23:25] <nemo> well. I'm still using human, just human + skinniness
[23:25] <gordonjcp> I think the idea of sticking "System Settings" under the power button icon is fundamentally retarded
[23:25] <ali1234> don't like thin borders... can't resize windows properly with them
[23:25] <ali1234> also i patched gtk to get rid of the dumb resize gripper
[23:28] <ali1234> my system is basically intrepid but with less bugs :)
[23:29] <Kevin1a> Is it on the web somewhere, or just a personal use thing?  I think gnome-shell and unity have a lot of potential, it just seems it's not here yet.  I actually liked the older mock ups of gnome-shell better than what it's turned into.  I like how unity integrates the title bar into the taskbar.  It's ugly as hell, but it saves me some vertical pixels.  Would probably look better if close, max, min buttons where alligned left and ubuntu butt
[23:29] <Kevin1a> on was hidden and triggered by dragging the mouse to corner like with g3
[23:31] <ali1234> the only thing i use that isn't in the natty repos is the gtk patches, and those are 1 line each got gtk+2 and gtk+3 (just change a TRUE to a FALSE in gtkwindow.c)
[23:32] <ali1234> oh i use that ppa that fixes the indicators to not leave a 1 inch gap between them and the panel
[23:33] <Kevin1a> ali1234: link me please, that's been bugging me for ages.  Those indicators.  You mean the ones that pop up in the see through black rectangle right?
[23:34] <ali1234> yes
[23:34] <ali1234> this was the procedure i used for maverick: http://pastebin.com/Jimg1W4S
[23:34] <ali1234> haven't finalized the instructions for natty yet but i will
[23:35] <ali1234> this is how you get rid of the grippers through patching: http://askubuntu.com/questions/29209/disable-resize-gripper-in-windows/33658#33658
[23:37] <Kevin1a> I'm fine with the grippers, I just want to move the indicators to eliminate the gap
[23:37] <ali1234> the ppa is in the pastebin
[23:37] <ali1234> maybe not yet updated for natty, idk
[23:38] <Kevin1a> Hmmm, I'll keep an eye out.  I don't see a medibuntu repo for Natty yet either.  I just used a deb from a different repo to install the codecs I needed.