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bobo123hi MK`: you have quite a big harddisk there :-)00:17
MK`lool00:17
MK`It's a 750 GB drive for the record :p00:17
MK`er, 500 GB! And the ubuntu partition is a fraction of that00:18
MK`It appears to be the /proc folder being read as 128 TB00:19
bobo123I can imagine a future in then years or so where we look back to the "good old 2012 when the puny little 128TB seems really big"  ;-)00:19
MK`Heh00:20
bobo123*ten years00:20
MK`I still have an old 15 GB harddrive around00:20
MK`came with a PC that had a 533 MHz processor and 64 MB ram00:20
bobo123I suppose you run win98 on that one though... not give me 512MB ram or I won't install-ubuntu :-)00:23
MK`Worse: Windows ME00:23
MK`It *literally* crashed more than once a week00:24
bobo123oh.. winME was horrible. I think there is some win98-with-only-the-good-parts-of-ME now though.00:25
MK`That'd be nice00:26
MK`I installed ubuntu on that 15GB HD recently; it's an old HD so it's read/write noise is louder, gives me BSOD flashbacks00:26
bobo123yeah some old hard disks can be really noisy... I had one that once an hour or so starts to squeak for a couple of seconds00:29
MK`heh00:33
MK`This one sounds like it's sort of gargling00:33
MK`anytime it does any reading or writing00:33
MK`it's loud enough to be noticeable but not loud enough to be a nuisance00:33
bobo123hehehe.... I think you should invest in a new harddisk for you ubuntu :-) if you still have that old 64MB pc running you should probably go to http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/8-windows-959898seme/ or rather the "Windows 9x Member Projects" subforum there00:35
MK`Hah no I gutted that thing00:35
MK`I installed DSL on it to see how it ran but it was too slow. It ran quite slow with ME on it already00:35
MK`I am one of the lucky few who runs ubuntu with a floppy drive now though :)00:36
bobo123ohhh.. floppy-ubunt???00:36
MK`lol, I haven't used the drive yet00:36
MK`but it's there, with it's cute little twisted IDE cable00:36
bobo123on the other hand, windows2.0 was possible to run from two 1.2MB floppys (no harddisk needed) I think....00:37
MK`I don't think I can sell a 64 MB DDR1 ram chip, I should probably chuck it00:39
bobo123yeah I love floppys, but don't use them quite as often anymore... I have 500 floppys or with nice litte dos games and windows3-applications on them in a couple of boxes that I have thought that I should really read in and save on a dvd or so... later.00:39
MK`I have several myself, but they aren't formatted for windows. I think they were for the old, old tandy we used to have00:40
bobo123Hmm.. yeah a 64MB-dimm is probably too small to save.... if it had been 128MB though you should save it and donate it to someone that only have 64MB00:41
MK`lol00:41
MK`The giant CRT monitor I threw out00:42
bobo123ohh.. tandy :-D00:42
MK`it was getting to hot too fast00:42
MK`too*00:42
bobo123i used an apple][+ with the enourmous amount of 64KB memory. The strange thing is that it was enough.... and the 120KB floppys was enough to store the programs on... why do the operatingsystem need gigabytes now?00:43
bobo123but we didn't downloaded the latest movie to the computer then of course....00:44
MK`i wonder if there's a moore's law for software bloat00:45
bobo123hehehe. probably!00:45
bobo123I wonder if there are tandy emulators.....00:48
bobo123anyway, I guess we floated away from the subject: yes if ubuntu filemanager (Nautilus) says you have 128 TB then it has a bug, there is some bug-reporting webpage that you can fill in....00:50
MK`heh00:51
MK`That and my internet activity light is on when I have no connection00:55
MK`I think it's working opposite to the way it's supposed to. Blinking off when they is activity00:56
MK`there is*00:58
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UndiFineDfeel free join #ubuntu-beginners-team as well03:12
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kristian-aalborghmm, the uvesafb freed up a lot of memory and made everything go faster... but it seems like it might be a bit less stable?04:32
MK`How can I get temp sensors on my laptop? sensors-detect didn't find any05:26
aztek:-D09:17
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kristian-aalborghi all18:08
compaq17_my ubuntu installer keeps hanging, doesn't finish install18:08
bioterrorstart it again18:08
kristian-aalborgcompaq17_: tried nomodeset option?18:08
compaq17_ha, started it a 1,000 times18:08
compaq17_wassat?18:08
kristian-aalborgwhere does it hang?18:08
holsteincompaq17_: if you get a chance, try wiping the disc18:09
holsteinits a long shot though18:09
holsteintest the disc too*18:10
kristian-aalborgtry another install disk18:10
compaq17_i've reformatted the disc multiple times; hangs at the user info page18:10
compaq17_i've used multiple install disks18:10
holsteincompaq17_: how?18:10
bioterroruse the alternate installer ;)18:10
compaq17_what's the alternate installer?18:10
holsteinyeah, thats a good next step18:11
bioterrorhttp://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/alternative-download18:11
compaq17_where can I find the install log?18:11
holsteincompaq17_: there are some nice tools for that in the alternate installer18:12
holsteinif it fails18:12
compaq17_ok; does it matter that I'm installing on a laptop?18:12
bioterrorshould not18:12
bioterroras you got into desktop18:12
compaq17_ok, i have the alternate installer site so I"ll try that.18:13
compaq17_thanks18:13
holsteincompaq17_: if the alternate fails18:14
holsteintry and come back18:14
holsteinleaving it right there running18:14
holsteinwhere it fails18:14
compaq17_ok, thanks18:15
kristian-aalborgI have the weird staircase boot syndrome18:16
kristian-aalborgomg I had wireless working in minutes... something's wrong with the universe! ;)19:19
holsteinUKT! :)19:19
KinkyPinkie hey! anyone know of a problem with networking not starting automatically on 10.04? and maybe how to solve?19:58
bioterrordescribe more20:00
KinkyPinkieafter shutting the lid on the laptop and the pc goes into sleep, it wont recover from the sleep and the networking wont work properly20:00
KinkyPinkiethe easy fix is ofc to disable sleep20:03
kristian-aalborgbugger, I forgot how to add a ppa... I need the PPA version of ncmpcpp20:03
bioterrorKinkyPinkie, what kind of laptop you have?20:08
KinkyPinkiei'ts an old Advent 7201, elongs to my fiend20:09
KinkyPinkiefriend ;D20:09
Duhzahey why is it when i have a mac that has a 2.4ghz prosseser and 4g of ram it only says that i have 2.7 gb of ram and 2.00ghz20:09
bioterrorDuhza, do you have 64bit linux?20:12
Duhzaidk20:12
Duhzawhy20:12
bioterrorbecouse 32bit cant handle over 3GB20:12
Duhzai think 3220:12
Duhzaohhhhhh20:12
Duhzais there an easy way to upgrade20:12
bioterror"oh well pae kernel blaa blaa" but still not the same20:12
bioterrorDuhza, yeah, reinstall20:12
charlie-tca__Duhza: there is a amd64-mac version of natty20:14
Duhzaoh is there a way where i can keep all my files20:14
charlie-tca__did you install a separate /home partition?20:14
Duhzano20:14
Duhzai mean its the one i set up to start out wiht20:14
charlie-tca__Back up, and during the install, use manual partitioning and do not check "format"20:15
charlie-tca__It should the /home files alone, then.20:15
Duhzaok20:15
Duhzaso no format20:15
charlie-tca__You will install to the same directory, just do not format it20:15
Duhzaand backup is just so i dont lose everything20:15
Duhzaami right20:22
charlie-tca__right. In case something does go wrong, you don't lose things20:28
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Duhzaok i dont need that20:31
holsteinKinkyPinkie: are you up to date?20:32
holsteini havent seen that in a long time20:32
holsteinbut i have a wireless card in peppermintOS (lucid based) that wont wake after standby20:32
holsteinim using ndiswrapper with it20:32
holsteinbioterror: you think the PAE kernel is a bad idea for Duhza ?20:33
bioterrorholstein, I would go for the real 64bit os20:33
KinkyPinkieholstein: what you mean up to date?20:33
holsteinDuhza: you could always try the PAE kernel before reinstalling20:34
holsteinits easy :)20:34
holstein*easier20:34
Duhzawhat is PAE20:34
bioterror!pae20:34
bioterror:(20:35
holsteinDuhza: its a way to utilize the memory20:35
holsteinin a 32bit install20:35
holsteinbut, a 64bit install is preferred usually20:35
Duhzai think 64 bit would be better20:35
holsteinreally depends20:35
UndiFineDoften needed to use VMs on 32bit20:36
holsteinDuhza: there are still some 'gotchas' with 64bit20:36
Duhza?20:36
holsteinflash is aruably worse20:36
holsteinassuming you care about that20:36
bioterrorthere's 64bit flash20:36
holsteinand i use lightscribe20:36
holsteinand that is 32bit only20:36
holstein*64bit support is better all the time though20:36
Duhzai only need screen unzip java xampp and my sexy body20:37
holsteingo for it20:37
holsteinim just saying right now20:37
Duhzayes20:38
holsteinyou run sudo apt-get install linux-generic-pae20:38
holsteinand you can try that kernel20:38
Duhzai think 64bit would be better20:38
holsteinprobably takes about 3 minutes or so20:38
holsteinincluding the reboot20:38
holsteinthe reinstall i think will take 3020:38
holsteinand you can always do the reinstall after that20:39
holsteinKinkyPinkie: i was thinking there might be a kernel update or firmware update your install could benefit from20:40
KinkyPinkie      i am trying to install proprietary display driver forom ati now20:41
holsteinKinkyPinkie: yeah?20:41
holsteinim not sure if that will help with the wireless recovering from sleep...20:42
KinkyPinkiehaving read i think  every thread on the subject, seems like the most plausible fix20:42
holsteinplausible20:42
holsteinthere was a patch for a VIA chip i have20:42
holsteinthat helped the wifi20:42
KinkyPinkiei have to forcereboot after sleep, it wont come to live by it self20:43
holsteinOK20:43
holsteinso its not just the wifi then20:43
holsteinits the whole she-bang20:43
KinkyPinkiemm20:43
holsteinstill, its worth checking for updates20:44
holsteinif you havent20:44
KinkyPinkieseemed to be only wless first20:44
compaq17thanks everyone for helping me get the system installed21:17
compaq17what is the message at boot about cryptswap not mounting?21:20
holsteini dont use cryptswap21:21
holsteincompaq17: if you can get the exact message though21:21
compaq17next time I boot i will write it down21:22
compaq17what's the best security software for ubuntu?21:22
holsteinin what way?21:22
compaq17antivirus, firewall21:22
holsteinshouldnt need anti-virus21:23
holsteinbut do what makes you feel comfortable21:23
holstein!shorewall21:23
holsteinhmmm21:23
compaq17where get?21:23
holsteincompaq17: just open whatever software manager you want to use21:23
holsteinand search firewall21:24
compaq17ok21:24
holsteinyou should have one at the router though21:24
compaq17yes21:24
compaq17bye for now21:25
holsteinhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW21:25
compaq17thanks21:25
holsteinsure :)21:25
coz_ good day to all21:42
Duhzathe download takes for ever21:43
holsteinDuhza: depends on your internet21:45
Duhzai have 23 mbps down and 30 up21:45
holsteinmaybe you got a slow mirror21:46
Duhzaoh21:46
holsteinusually takes me about 12 mintues to DL21:46
holsteinor less21:46
holsteini usually look, and if its says "an hour" or so21:46
head_victimI"ve noticed a lot of PPAs can be slower21:46
holsteini stop it, and go again21:46
holsteinhead_victim: i think so too21:47
head_victimI find using a local mirror for the main packages speeds things up as well21:47
Duhzawhere can i find a local mirror21:47
head_victimSynaptic has a built in way to find the quickest download21:48
holsteinDuhza: how much longer do you have?21:48
Duhzai tryed three times now it says 9min21:48
head_victimhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors is another place to get an idea21:49
holstein9 minutes sounds right21:49
head_victimI get 4.2MB/s from my local mirror21:49
holsteinDuhza: you're getting an iso right?21:49
Duhzayesh21:49
head_victimOh sorry, I thought you mean updates :/21:49
head_victimhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors is a place for local CD mirrors21:50
holsteinstill, the ubuntu mirrors for DLing whatever are usually quite fast21:50
holsteinrelatively21:50
head_victimI get free quota from my ISP for my local mirror (our country still uses download quotas :/)21:50
holstein:/21:51
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Duhzaok for when i want to install 64bit with out reformating what do i do22:17
charlie-tca__You backed up, right?22:17
Duhzanah i dont need to22:18
Duhzai have the stuff in need on my other comp22:18
Duhzai just dont want to go back and install java xampp22:18
charlie-tca__I choose manual partitioning, install to same partition, just change the "do not use" to ext4, do not check format, and the mount point to     /22:19
charlie-tca__That does erase everything except /home , as far as I know22:19
Duhzaso for use as i use ext422:21
charlie-tca__yup, that is the default filesystem used22:22
Duhzakk22:23
charlie-tca__and, I would like to know if it destroys the /home directory when you get done, please?22:24
Duhzalol k22:26
charlie-tca__got to hope for the best outcome, right?22:26
Duhzaywah22:26
charlie-tca__It has never destroyed /home for me, but others have said it did22:26
Duhzalol22:27
charlie-tca__and I keep my files backed up on dropbox, too. You would think I could make it screw up22:28
Duhzalol22:29
aveilleuxIve got an interesting problem. I'm telling wicd to connect to my phone's hotspot, but it's trying to connect to a different network entirely.22:38
Duhzahow do i get java22:48
charlie-tca__enable partnership22:50
charlie-tca__then reload, it will show up then22:50
rakshasaCan anyone tell me how I should persist my xinput settings under Ubuntu10.10??22:54
holsteinrakshasa: what are you trying to accomplish?22:59
holsteinif you make a custom xorg.conf for some reason23:00
holsteinit should be read23:00
rakshasaHow do I set my properties in my custom xorg.conf?23:10
rakshasaIm disabling my touchpad by set-prop int the xinput23:11
rakshasaBut each time the xserver restarts the default settings get loaded23:11
rakshasa:(23:11
holsteinrakshasa: how about http://ubuntuguide.net/quickly-enabledisable-laptop-touchpad-with-touchpad-indicator-in-ubuntu-10-1023:14
holsteinor something like http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-auto-disable-the-touchpad-when-the-mouse-is-plugged-in-fedora-1323:14
rakshasaI'v thought about using it23:15
rakshasaBut I also need to know the underlying method, where it is persisted23:15
holsteinAH23:15
holsteinnot sure where to send you23:16
rakshasaI like to know how thing work, its a sick obsession23:16
rakshasa:p23:16
holstein#xorg?23:16
rakshasaholstein tnx for the advice, I will use the programs but I have to figure out how 'xinput' and 'synclient' reflect the xorg.conf23:24
ejayhi, do i have to defragment before installing ubuntu alongside my windows operating system23:50
rakshasaejay?23:57
rakshasaThe best thing you can do is use parted magic to resize your partition23:57
rakshasaSo 1 ntfs for your window, 1 ext4 for ubuntu root, 1 ext4 for /home and 1 linux swap partition23:59

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