[00:17] <bobo123> hi MK`: you have quite a big harddisk there :-)
[00:17] <MK`> lool
[00:17] <MK`> It's a 750 GB drive for the record :p
[00:18] <MK`> er, 500 GB! And the ubuntu partition is a fraction of that
[00:19] <MK`> It appears to be the /proc folder being read as 128 TB
[00:19] <bobo123> I can imagine a future in then years or so where we look back to the "good old 2012 when the puny little 128TB seems really big"  ;-)
[00:20] <MK`> Heh
[00:20] <bobo123> *ten years
[00:20] <MK`> I still have an old 15 GB harddrive around
[00:20] <MK`> came with a PC that had a 533 MHz processor and 64 MB ram
[00:23] <bobo123> I suppose you run win98 on that one though... not give me 512MB ram or I won't install-ubuntu :-)
[00:23] <MK`> Worse: Windows ME
[00:24] <MK`> It *literally* crashed more than once a week
[00:25] <bobo123> oh.. winME was horrible. I think there is some win98-with-only-the-good-parts-of-ME now though.
[00:26] <MK`> That'd be nice
[00:26] <MK`> I installed ubuntu on that 15GB HD recently; it's an old HD so it's read/write noise is louder, gives me BSOD flashbacks
[00:29] <bobo123> yeah some old hard disks can be really noisy... I had one that once an hour or so starts to squeak for a couple of seconds
[00:33] <MK`> heh
[00:33] <MK`> This one sounds like it's sort of gargling
[00:33] <MK`> anytime it does any reading or writing
[00:33] <MK`> it's loud enough to be noticeable but not loud enough to be a nuisance
[00:35] <bobo123> hehehe.... I think you should invest in a new harddisk for you ubuntu :-) if you still have that old 64MB pc running you should probably go to http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/8-windows-959898seme/ or rather the "Windows 9x Member Projects" subforum there
[00:35] <MK`> Hah no I gutted that thing
[00:35] <MK`> I installed DSL on it to see how it ran but it was too slow. It ran quite slow with ME on it already
[00:36] <MK`> I am one of the lucky few who runs ubuntu with a floppy drive now though :)
[00:36] <bobo123> ohhh.. floppy-ubunt???
[00:36] <MK`> lol, I haven't used the drive yet
[00:36] <MK`> but it's there, with it's cute little twisted IDE cable
[00:37] <bobo123> on the other hand, windows2.0 was possible to run from two 1.2MB floppys (no harddisk needed) I think....
[00:39] <MK`> I don't think I can sell a 64 MB DDR1 ram chip, I should probably chuck it
[00:39] <bobo123> yeah I love floppys, but don't use them quite as often anymore... I have 500 floppys or with nice litte dos games and windows3-applications on them in a couple of boxes that I have thought that I should really read in and save on a dvd or so... later.
[00:40] <MK`> I have several myself, but they aren't formatted for windows. I think they were for the old, old tandy we used to have
[00:41] <bobo123> Hmm.. yeah a 64MB-dimm is probably too small to save.... if it had been 128MB though you should save it and donate it to someone that only have 64MB
[00:41] <MK`> lol
[00:42] <MK`> The giant CRT monitor I threw out
[00:42] <bobo123> ohh.. tandy :-D
[00:42] <MK`> it was getting to hot too fast
[00:42] <MK`> too*
[00:43] <bobo123> i used an apple][+ with the enourmous amount of 64KB memory. The strange thing is that it was enough.... and the 120KB floppys was enough to store the programs on... why do the operatingsystem need gigabytes now?
[00:44] <bobo123> but we didn't downloaded the latest movie to the computer then of course....
[00:45] <MK`> i wonder if there's a moore's law for software bloat
[00:45] <bobo123> hehehe. probably!
[00:48] <bobo123> I wonder if there are tandy emulators.....
[00:50] <bobo123> anyway, I guess we floated away from the subject: yes if ubuntu filemanager (Nautilus) says you have 128 TB then it has a bug, there is some bug-reporting webpage that you can fill in....
[00:51] <MK`> heh
[00:55] <MK`> That and my internet activity light is on when I have no connection
[00:56] <MK`> I think it's working opposite to the way it's supposed to. Blinking off when they is activity
[00:58] <MK`> there is*
[03:12]  * UndiFineD waves at mortiy 
[03:12] <UndiFineD> feel free join #ubuntu-beginners-team as well
[04:32] <kristian-aalborg> hmm, the uvesafb freed up a lot of memory and made everything go faster... but it seems like it might be a bit less stable?
[05:26] <MK`> How can I get temp sensors on my laptop? sensors-detect didn't find any
[09:17] <aztek> :-D
[18:08] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[18:08] <compaq17_> my ubuntu installer keeps hanging, doesn't finish install
[18:08] <bioterror> start it again
[18:08] <kristian-aalborg> compaq17_: tried nomodeset option?
[18:08] <compaq17_> ha, started it a 1,000 times
[18:08] <compaq17_> wassat?
[18:08] <kristian-aalborg> where does it hang?
[18:09] <holstein> compaq17_: if you get a chance, try wiping the disc
[18:09] <holstein> its a long shot though
[18:10] <holstein> test the disc too*
[18:10] <kristian-aalborg> try another install disk
[18:10] <compaq17_> i've reformatted the disc multiple times; hangs at the user info page
[18:10] <compaq17_> i've used multiple install disks
[18:10] <holstein> compaq17_: how?
[18:10] <bioterror> use the alternate installer ;)
[18:10] <compaq17_> what's the alternate installer?
[18:11] <holstein> yeah, thats a good next step
[18:11] <bioterror> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/alternative-download
[18:11] <compaq17_> where can I find the install log?
[18:12] <holstein> compaq17_: there are some nice tools for that in the alternate installer
[18:12] <holstein> if it fails
[18:12] <compaq17_> ok; does it matter that I'm installing on a laptop?
[18:12] <bioterror> should not
[18:12] <bioterror> as you got into desktop
[18:13] <compaq17_> ok, i have the alternate installer site so I"ll try that.
[18:13] <compaq17_> thanks
[18:14] <holstein> compaq17_: if the alternate fails
[18:14] <holstein> try and come back
[18:14] <holstein> leaving it right there running
[18:14] <holstein> where it fails
[18:15] <compaq17_> ok, thanks
[18:16] <kristian-aalborg> I have the weird staircase boot syndrome
[19:19] <kristian-aalborg> omg I had wireless working in minutes... something's wrong with the universe! ;)
[19:19] <holstein> UKT! :)
[19:58] <KinkyPinkie>  hey! anyone know of a problem with networking not starting automatically on 10.04? and maybe how to solve?
[20:00] <bioterror> describe more
[20:00] <KinkyPinkie> after shutting the lid on the laptop and the pc goes into sleep, it wont recover from the sleep and the networking wont work properly
[20:03] <KinkyPinkie> the easy fix is ofc to disable sleep
[20:03] <kristian-aalborg> bugger, I forgot how to add a ppa... I need the PPA version of ncmpcpp
[20:08] <bioterror> KinkyPinkie, what kind of laptop you have?
[20:09] <KinkyPinkie> i'ts an old Advent 7201, elongs to my fiend
[20:09] <KinkyPinkie> friend ;D
[20:09] <Duhza> hey why is it when i have a mac that has a 2.4ghz prosseser and 4g of ram it only says that i have 2.7 gb of ram and 2.00ghz
[20:12] <bioterror> Duhza, do you have 64bit linux?
[20:12] <Duhza> idk
[20:12] <Duhza> why
[20:12] <bioterror> becouse 32bit cant handle over 3GB
[20:12] <Duhza> i think 32
[20:12] <Duhza> ohhhhhh
[20:12] <Duhza> is there an easy way to upgrade
[20:12] <bioterror> "oh well pae kernel blaa blaa" but still not the same
[20:12] <bioterror> Duhza, yeah, reinstall
[20:14] <charlie-tca__> Duhza: there is a amd64-mac version of natty
[20:14] <Duhza> oh is there a way where i can keep all my files
[20:14] <charlie-tca__> did you install a separate /home partition?
[20:14] <Duhza> no
[20:14] <Duhza> i mean its the one i set up to start out wiht
[20:15] <charlie-tca__> Back up, and during the install, use manual partitioning and do not check "format"
[20:15] <charlie-tca__> It should the /home files alone, then.
[20:15] <Duhza> ok
[20:15] <Duhza> so no format
[20:15] <charlie-tca__> You will install to the same directory, just do not format it
[20:15] <Duhza> and backup is just so i dont lose everything
[20:22] <Duhza> ami right
[20:28] <charlie-tca__> right. In case something does go wrong, you don't lose things
[20:31] <Duhza> ok i dont need that
[20:32] <holstein> KinkyPinkie: are you up to date?
[20:32] <holstein> i havent seen that in a long time
[20:32] <holstein> but i have a wireless card in peppermintOS (lucid based) that wont wake after standby
[20:32] <holstein> im using ndiswrapper with it
[20:33] <holstein> bioterror: you think the PAE kernel is a bad idea for Duhza ?
[20:33] <bioterror> holstein, I would go for the real 64bit os
[20:33] <KinkyPinkie> holstein: what you mean up to date?
[20:34] <holstein> Duhza: you could always try the PAE kernel before reinstalling
[20:34] <holstein> its easy :)
[20:34] <holstein> *easier
[20:34] <Duhza> what is PAE
[20:34] <bioterror> !pae
[20:35] <bioterror> :(
[20:35] <holstein> Duhza: its a way to utilize the memory
[20:35] <holstein> in a 32bit install
[20:35] <holstein> but, a 64bit install is preferred usually
[20:35] <Duhza> i think 64 bit would be better
[20:35] <holstein> really depends
[20:36] <UndiFineD> often needed to use VMs on 32bit
[20:36] <holstein> Duhza: there are still some 'gotchas' with 64bit
[20:36] <Duhza> ?
[20:36] <holstein> flash is aruably worse
[20:36] <holstein> assuming you care about that
[20:36] <bioterror> there's 64bit flash
[20:36] <holstein> and i use lightscribe
[20:36] <holstein> and that is 32bit only
[20:36] <holstein> *64bit support is better all the time though
[20:37] <Duhza> i only need screen unzip java xampp and my sexy body
[20:37] <holstein> go for it
[20:37] <holstein> im just saying right now
[20:38] <Duhza> yes
[20:38] <holstein> you run sudo apt-get install linux-generic-pae
[20:38] <holstein> and you can try that kernel
[20:38] <Duhza> i think 64bit would be better
[20:38] <holstein> probably takes about 3 minutes or so
[20:38] <holstein> including the reboot
[20:38] <holstein> the reinstall i think will take 30
[20:39] <holstein> and you can always do the reinstall after that
[20:40] <holstein> KinkyPinkie: i was thinking there might be a kernel update or firmware update your install could benefit from
[20:41] <KinkyPinkie>       i am trying to install proprietary display driver forom ati now
[20:41] <holstein> KinkyPinkie: yeah?
[20:42] <holstein> im not sure if that will help with the wireless recovering from sleep...
[20:42] <KinkyPinkie> having read i think  every thread on the subject, seems like the most plausible fix
[20:42] <holstein> plausible
[20:42] <holstein> there was a patch for a VIA chip i have
[20:42] <holstein> that helped the wifi
[20:43] <KinkyPinkie> i have to forcereboot after sleep, it wont come to live by it self
[20:43] <holstein> OK
[20:43] <holstein> so its not just the wifi then
[20:43] <holstein> its the whole she-bang
[20:43] <KinkyPinkie> mm
[20:44] <holstein> still, its worth checking for updates
[20:44] <holstein> if you havent
[20:44] <KinkyPinkie> seemed to be only wless first
[21:17] <compaq17> thanks everyone for helping me get the system installed
[21:20] <compaq17> what is the message at boot about cryptswap not mounting?
[21:21] <holstein> i dont use cryptswap
[21:21] <holstein> compaq17: if you can get the exact message though
[21:22] <compaq17> next time I boot i will write it down
[21:22] <compaq17> what's the best security software for ubuntu?
[21:22] <holstein> in what way?
[21:22] <compaq17> antivirus, firewall
[21:23] <holstein> shouldnt need anti-virus
[21:23] <holstein> but do what makes you feel comfortable
[21:23] <holstein> !shorewall
[21:23] <holstein> hmmm
[21:23] <compaq17> where get?
[21:23] <holstein> compaq17: just open whatever software manager you want to use
[21:24] <holstein> and search firewall
[21:24] <compaq17> ok
[21:24] <holstein> you should have one at the router though
[21:24] <compaq17> yes
[21:25] <compaq17> bye for now
[21:25] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[21:25] <compaq17> thanks
[21:25] <holstein> sure :)
[21:42] <coz_>  good day to all
[21:43] <Duhza> the download takes for ever
[21:45] <holstein> Duhza: depends on your internet
[21:45] <Duhza> i have 23 mbps down and 30 up
[21:46] <holstein> maybe you got a slow mirror
[21:46] <Duhza> oh
[21:46] <holstein> usually takes me about 12 mintues to DL
[21:46] <holstein> or less
[21:46] <holstein> i usually look, and if its says "an hour" or so
[21:46] <head_victim> I"ve noticed a lot of PPAs can be slower
[21:46] <holstein> i stop it, and go again
[21:47] <holstein> head_victim: i think so too
[21:47] <head_victim> I find using a local mirror for the main packages speeds things up as well
[21:47] <Duhza> where can i find a local mirror
[21:48] <head_victim> Synaptic has a built in way to find the quickest download
[21:48] <holstein> Duhza: how much longer do you have?
[21:48] <Duhza> i tryed three times now it says 9min
[21:49] <head_victim> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors is another place to get an idea
[21:49] <holstein> 9 minutes sounds right
[21:49] <head_victim> I get 4.2MB/s from my local mirror
[21:49] <holstein> Duhza: you're getting an iso right?
[21:49] <Duhza> yesh
[21:49] <head_victim> Oh sorry, I thought you mean updates :/
[21:50] <head_victim> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors is a place for local CD mirrors
[21:50] <holstein> still, the ubuntu mirrors for DLing whatever are usually quite fast
[21:50] <holstein> relatively
[21:50] <head_victim> I get free quota from my ISP for my local mirror (our country still uses download quotas :/)
[21:51] <holstein> :/
[22:17] <Duhza> ok for when i want to install 64bit with out reformating what do i do
[22:17] <charlie-tca__> You backed up, right?
[22:18] <Duhza> nah i dont need to
[22:18] <Duhza> i have the stuff in need on my other comp
[22:18] <Duhza> i just dont want to go back and install java xampp
[22:19] <charlie-tca__> I choose manual partitioning, install to same partition, just change the "do not use" to ext4, do not check format, and the mount point to     /
[22:19] <charlie-tca__> That does erase everything except /home , as far as I know
[22:21] <Duhza> so for use as i use ext4
[22:22] <charlie-tca__> yup, that is the default filesystem used
[22:23] <Duhza> kk
[22:24] <charlie-tca__> and, I would like to know if it destroys the /home directory when you get done, please?
[22:26] <Duhza> lol k
[22:26] <charlie-tca__> got to hope for the best outcome, right?
[22:26] <Duhza> ywah
[22:26] <charlie-tca__> It has never destroyed /home for me, but others have said it did
[22:27] <Duhza> lol
[22:28] <charlie-tca__> and I keep my files backed up on dropbox, too. You would think I could make it screw up
[22:29] <Duhza> lol
[22:38] <aveilleux> Ive got an interesting problem. I'm telling wicd to connect to my phone's hotspot, but it's trying to connect to a different network entirely.
[22:48] <Duhza> how do i get java
[22:50] <charlie-tca__> enable partnership
[22:50] <charlie-tca__> then reload, it will show up then
[22:54] <rakshasa> Can anyone tell me how I should persist my xinput settings under Ubuntu10.10??
[22:59] <holstein> rakshasa: what are you trying to accomplish?
[23:00] <holstein> if you make a custom xorg.conf for some reason
[23:00] <holstein> it should be read
[23:10] <rakshasa> How do I set my properties in my custom xorg.conf?
[23:11] <rakshasa> Im disabling my touchpad by set-prop int the xinput
[23:11] <rakshasa> But each time the xserver restarts the default settings get loaded
[23:11] <rakshasa> :(
[23:14] <holstein> rakshasa: how about http://ubuntuguide.net/quickly-enabledisable-laptop-touchpad-with-touchpad-indicator-in-ubuntu-10-10
[23:14] <holstein> or something like http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-auto-disable-the-touchpad-when-the-mouse-is-plugged-in-fedora-13
[23:15] <rakshasa> I'v thought about using it
[23:15] <rakshasa> But I also need to know the underlying method, where it is persisted
[23:15] <holstein> AH
[23:16] <holstein> not sure where to send you
[23:16] <rakshasa> I like to know how thing work, its a sick obsession
[23:16] <rakshasa> :p
[23:16] <holstein> #xorg?
[23:24] <rakshasa> holstein tnx for the advice, I will use the programs but I have to figure out how 'xinput' and 'synclient' reflect the xorg.conf
[23:50] <ejay> hi, do i have to defragment before installing ubuntu alongside my windows operating system
[23:57] <rakshasa> ejay?
[23:57] <rakshasa> The best thing you can do is use parted magic to resize your partition
[23:59] <rakshasa> So 1 ntfs for your window, 1 ext4 for ubuntu root, 1 ext4 for /home and 1 linux swap partition