[09:20] <ikonia> heads up to the bug squard, this bug isn't a problem for me, but I was trying to work through a situation with a user with pretty much the same problem and found this bug
[09:21] <ikonia> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/580206
[09:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 580206 in yelp (Ubuntu) "gnome-help crashed (segmentation fault) while printing (affects: 5) (heat: 20)" [Medium,New]
[09:21] <ikonia> as the bug team, have a read through it, it's been handled pretty badly - from an end users perspective it looks like people are trying to find a reason to get rid of it, rather than deal with it
[09:21] <ikonia> it's still in a poor state
[10:52] <VladbIka> Hi All. Can I write about bugs in beta 11.04 here?
[10:54] <TeTeT> VladbIka: sure, though I don't know if it's of much use. Best is if you report and comment bugs on Launchpad and only if things are unclear you can discuss them here
[14:05] <penguin42> is there a reference bug for /usr/share/locale/af/LC_MESSAGES/.mo clashing between gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad ?  There are a whole load of package instal fails for the same reason on the list of latest bugs
[14:07]  * penguin42 has duped 3 of them into bug 751264
[14:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 751264 in gst-plugins-ugly0.10 (Ubuntu) "package gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly 0.10.17-1 failed to install/upgrade: Versuch, »/usr/share/locale/af/LC_MESSAGES/.mo« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad 0.10.21-1ubuntu10 ist (affects: 4) (dups: 3) (heat: 30)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751264
[15:06] <jpds> penguin42: I've been dupping them all into bug #751343.
[15:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 751343 in gst-plugins-ugly0.10 (Ubuntu) "package gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly 0.10.17-1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/af/LC_MESSAGES/.mo', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad 0.10.21-1ubuntu10 (affects: 37) (dups: 33) (heat: 282)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751343
[15:06] <jpds> penguin42: Problem has been fixed though.
[15:06] <penguin42> jpds: Yeh I just saw your message in -devels
[15:08] <somethinginteres> I got the following output on natty when running the update manager just now http://paste.ubuntu.com/589701/ I am not sure what package to report this against and what I should include in the report
[15:09] <jpds> somethinginteres: bug #751343.
[15:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 751343 in gst-plugins-ugly0.10 (Ubuntu) "package gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly 0.10.17-1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/af/LC_MESSAGES/.mo', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad 0.10.21-1ubuntu10 (affects: 38) (dups: 34) (heat: 290)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751343
[15:10] <somethinginteres> jpds: ah I see. Thanks
[15:12] <penguin42> jpds: Nothing like a popular bug :-)
[15:13] <matsubara> hi there. I just updated to Ubuntu 11.04 and am using Unity. I'm seeing some font overlap issue in a terminal <http://ubuntuone.com/p/kzM/>. It happens on gnome-terminal and terminator with multiple tabs open. is this known?
[15:14] <penguin42> matsubara: I'm not seeing that - what font are you using?
[15:14] <matsubara> penguin42, Ubuntu
[15:15] <penguin42> matsubara: Is that fixed width?
[15:16] <matsubara> penguin42, yep, Ubuntu font for all my font settings including fixed width
[15:16] <penguin42> matsubara: I don't think the ubuntu font is a fixed width font
[15:33] <matsubara> penguin42, thanks. that was it. I choose a fixed width one and it now looks fine.
[15:33] <matsubara> looks fine
[15:33] <penguin42> no prob
[16:30] <somethinginteres> Am getting some crashes on Natty but the bug reports Ubuntu wants me to send are around 350MB each, far too large for my internet connection is there a way to send a smaller report, no smaller option is offered
[16:33] <MadCow108> what crashes?
[16:35] <somethinginteres> MadCow108: the last case was Nautilus but another was aptd
[16:37] <MadCow108> you can run the program under gdb or valgrind to get similar information
[16:37] <MadCow108> gdb ./program, when it crashes, bt full
[16:37] <somethinginteres> MadCow108: I'm not familiar with gdb or valgrind will have to look into them, thanks
[16:40] <MadCow108> are you using natty? I always get the option to send a small report
[16:43] <somethinginteres> MadCow108: yep. Natty Beta 1
[16:44] <hggdh> somethinginteres: have you updated your natty to current? sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:44] <hggdh> since beta-1 we have had many updates
[16:45] <somethinginteres> hggdh: I ran the update-manager but will execute those commands to be sure
[16:45] <hggdh> somethinginteres: be careful that no needed package gets removed
[16:45] <somethinginteres> hggdh: how can I prevent that from occuring?
[16:46] <hggdh> somethinginteres: after you issue the dist-upgrade, read the output to see if anything will be removed. If it appears so, pastebin the whole command output here
[16:48] <somethinginteres> hggdh: appears there's nothing being removed just 13 package upgrades. Thanks for the heads up. Should I always run from the terminal or would update-manager also find these upgrades normally and they just appeared after I last refreshed the package information?
[16:49] <hggdh> somethinginteres: updating on a devel release should always be done with care; update-manager would also find these updates after an apt-get update
[16:50] <somethinginteres> hggdh: OK, thank you
[17:43] <gnomefreak> ok what package do i file a bu on for preffered apps dialog. i know that each package should have a setting to be placed in there but on the browsers/email tab it doesnt offer custom so i was going to file a separate bug for the "custom" bug and the package bug
[17:43] <gnomefreak> s/bu/bug
[17:49] <charlie-tca__> gnomefreak: it Ubuntu, the package is gconf
[17:50] <charlie-tca__> but it is different for each distro.
[17:53] <seb128> gnomefreak, don't open that bug
[17:57] <leoquant> after a revoke ui which is in the terminal revuid the uid key is revoked, but after a serverupload/synch. the revoked uid is still present in launchpad
[17:58] <leoquant> seahorse gives the same results....imo there no way to remove revoked uids from launchpad
[18:03] <om26er> which package should this bug be assigned to ?
[18:03] <om26er> bug 748151
[18:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 748151 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) ""Safely Remove" USB drive works great, but is remounted immediately (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/748151
[18:07] <charlie-tca__> om26er: udev, I think
[18:09] <om26er> moved thanks charlie-tca__
[18:09] <charlie-tca__> You are welcome
[18:13] <somethinginteres> Ubuntu isn't respecting prefered web browser. I set it to Chromium in Chromium Preferences and upon exit the prefered app returns to the default setting of Firefox. Where should I report this?
[18:14] <micahg> somethinginteres: already reported, looking for number
[18:16] <micahg> somethinginteres: bug 670128
[18:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 670128 in xdg-utils (Fedora) (and 4 other projects) "gnome-open uses firefox while it's not the preferred browser (affects: 23) (dups: 6) (heat: 155)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670128
[18:20] <somethinginteres> micahg: no problem. I try to use my search foo but it's just not up to par :)
[18:27] <gnomefreak> seb128: dont open a bug on that problem?
[18:27] <seb128> gnomefreak, what about that?
[18:27] <gnomefreak> this isnt for me someone else was wanting info on it so an already standing bug would be great
[18:27] <gnomefreak> seb128: preffered apps not listing apps nor custom
[18:27] <seb128> gnomefreak, what is your question exactly
[18:28] <seb128> right, that's a GNOME design decision
[18:28] <gnomefreak> seb128: he wants to know why thunderbird isnt listed in preffered...
[18:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^
[18:28] <seb128> why is that still not fixed?
[18:28] <gnomefreak> seb128: oh, afaik we added something to the tb3.3 package to list it in there and it is listed
[18:28] <seb128> so what are you saying?
[18:28] <gnomefreak> but not the default tb package
[18:29] <seb128> what is the default package and why is it not fixed?
[18:29] <chrisccoulson> i just haven't done an upload with the fix in yet ;)
[18:29] <gnomefreak> seb128: only the 3.3 package of tb is listed. that is from daily PPA
[18:29] <seb128> gnomefreak, ok, known issue then, it will be fixed for natty
[18:29] <gnomefreak> thanks seb chrisccoulson
[18:29] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, tb 3.3 uses gio I think
[18:30] <micahg> whereas tb 3.1 still uses gnome-vfs
[18:30] <gnomefreak> micahg: well i remember tellioong chrisccoulson about it and within a few days it was listed
[18:30] <gnomefreak> telling
[18:30] <gnomefreak> ok i will tell fool.... about it. thanks guys
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> note, that setting the default client from *within* thunderbird is unlikely to work in natty. i just don't see how i'm going to get time to backport all of the gio changes to make that work properly
[18:31] <chrisccoulson> but setting it from gnome-default-application-properties will work
[18:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: probably not worth it since in ~2-3 months we'll be updating to 3.3
[18:31] <chrisccoulson> well, it doesn't work there either ;)
[18:31] <chrisccoulson> although, it needs less patches to make it work
[18:32]  * micahg thought 3.3 was using gio, guess not
[18:32] <chrisccoulson> it can, but it doesn't work properly
[21:20] <Tetsuo55> can't anything be done to speed up the retraces?
[21:33] <yofel> Tetsuo55: I think you'll have to ask pitti that
[21:38] <Tetsuo55> he comes onlin ehere?
[21:38] <Tetsuo55> the retraces are almost always to late for my bug reports, resulting in a close because the retracer got updated
[21:46] <yofel> Tetsuo55: nope, he's in #ubuntu-devel
[21:46] <yofel> and yeah, that does happen rather frequently :/
[21:49] <Tetsuo55> ok thanks
[22:47] <ali1234> does installing the debug symbols packages from ddebs make valgrind traces more useful? (ie less '???' in them?)
[23:35] <hggdh> ali1234: yes indeed. Actually, not more powerful, but _useful_. Without the symbols, valgrind's output is worthless
[23:36] <ali1234> i never said powerful :)
[23:36] <ali1234> actually you just reminded me to kill the leaky program before it totally overwhelms my system
[23:36] <hggdh> ali1234: I beg your pardon. 'powerful' came from my deranged imagination ;-)
[23:36] <ali1234> totally forgot about it
[23:36] <ali1234> leaking 2GB in 20 minutes is bad right?
[23:37] <hggdh> er. bad is a delicate way of saying it sucks to high heaven
[23:37] <hggdh> it is BAD
[23:38] <ali1234> this morning i had 7GB of swap in use, plus all of phys mem
[23:39] <hggdh> heh. Who is the culprit, and what version of Ubuntu?
[23:39] <ali1234> probably would have been more if page faults didn't cause a 1.3 second iowait
[23:40] <ali1234> the culprit is gvfsd/gnome-system-monitor/libdbus and the version of ubuntu is at least lucid, maverick and natty
[23:41] <ali1234> i can reproduce on a clean install on any of those, haven't tried others
[23:41] <ali1234> as usual it's the intersection of two or more bugs that's causing it
[23:42] <ali1234> gvfsd has a small leak that's made much worse because gnome-system-monitor hammers it constantly with requests sometimes
[23:42] <ali1234> i haven't figured out yet what "sometimes" means
[23:42] <hggdh> yeah, sounds like it, and --right now, without any firm position-- I would say g-s-m plays a part
[23:43] <ali1234> g-s-m also likes to exceed the limit on active dbus watches
[23:43] <hggdh> cuz I do not have this problem (and I am not running /have not run) g-s-m so far since I installed this natty
[23:43] <hggdh> and which programme you see eating up memory?
[23:43] <ali1234> gvfsd
[23:43] <hggdh> ugh!
[23:43] <ali1234> hang on, let me get the bug number :)
[23:44] <ali1234> bug 751523
[23:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 751523 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "gnome-system-monitor spams dbus with requests for volume information (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751523
[23:44] <ali1234> if you follow the 3 steps you'll see ever increasing mem use by gvfsd on any ubuntu system
[23:45] <ali1234> on a clean install it's like 1mb every minute
[23:45] <ali1234> on my main workstation it's more like 1mb per second
[23:45] <ali1234> but it happens everywhere to some extent
[23:48] <ali1234> hmm still missing some debug symbols
[23:49] <ali1234> um... where are the symbols for libdbus-1 and libglib-2?
[23:50] <hggdh> IDK, let me try to find out
[23:51] <ali1234> this is what i got so far: http://pastebin.com/W3BbvKf8
[23:52] <hggdh> for libglib2.0-- you can install libglib2.0-0.dbg
[23:52] <ali1234> ah is that in the main repos?
[23:52] <hggdh> it will carry all needed debug symbols for all packages derived from the source libglib2.0
[23:52] <hggdh> yes
[23:53] <ali1234> bet dbus is same :)
[23:53] <hggdh> but not all packages have a .dbg (or even .dbgsym)
[23:53] <ali1234> hmm... can't find anything for libdbus
[23:54] <hggdh> it's in dbus-1.dbg
[23:54] <ali1234> ah cheers
[23:55] <hggdh> ali1234: the valgrind excerpt you showed me is for which of them? This one really has a problem...
[23:56] <ali1234> gvfsd
[23:56] <ali1234> that's the only one that actually spirals out of control re memory use
[23:56] <ali1234> g-s-m just fills .xsession-errors with crap
[23:56] <ali1234> and only after it exceeds the limit, which takes a few hours
[23:58] <hggdh> I think 1 second is too short a period. *BUT* still, this should not happen
[23:58] <ali1234> it's just to make the problem happen quicker :)
[23:58] <hggdh> (this is also called 'testing for boundary conditions')
[23:59] <ali1234> on my workstation where i first noticed the bug this morning it's all on defaults