=== AndrewMC is now known as SpockVulcan === SpockVulcan is now known as AndrewMC === jcastro_ is now known as jcastro [09:20] heads up to the bug squard, this bug isn't a problem for me, but I was trying to work through a situation with a user with pretty much the same problem and found this bug [09:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/580206 [09:21] Launchpad bug 580206 in yelp (Ubuntu) "gnome-help crashed (segmentation fault) while printing (affects: 5) (heat: 20)" [Medium,New] [09:21] as the bug team, have a read through it, it's been handled pretty badly - from an end users perspective it looks like people are trying to find a reason to get rid of it, rather than deal with it [09:21] it's still in a poor state [10:52] Hi All. Can I write about bugs in beta 11.04 here? [10:54] VladbIka: sure, though I don't know if it's of much use. Best is if you report and comment bugs on Launchpad and only if things are unclear you can discuss them here === zyga_ is now known as zyga === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:05] is there a reference bug for /usr/share/locale/af/LC_MESSAGES/.mo clashing between gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad ? There are a whole load of package instal fails for the same reason on the list of latest bugs [14:07] * penguin42 has duped 3 of them into bug 751264 [14:07] Launchpad bug 751264 in gst-plugins-ugly0.10 (Ubuntu) "package gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly 0.10.17-1 failed to install/upgrade: Versuch, »/usr/share/locale/af/LC_MESSAGES/.mo« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad 0.10.21-1ubuntu10 ist (affects: 4) (dups: 3) (heat: 30)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751264 [15:06] penguin42: I've been dupping them all into bug #751343. [15:06] Launchpad bug 751343 in gst-plugins-ugly0.10 (Ubuntu) "package gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly 0.10.17-1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/af/LC_MESSAGES/.mo', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad 0.10.21-1ubuntu10 (affects: 37) (dups: 33) (heat: 282)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751343 [15:06] penguin42: Problem has been fixed though. [15:06] jpds: Yeh I just saw your message in -devels [15:08] I got the following output on natty when running the update manager just now http://paste.ubuntu.com/589701/ I am not sure what package to report this against and what I should include in the report [15:09] somethinginteres: bug #751343. [15:09] Launchpad bug 751343 in gst-plugins-ugly0.10 (Ubuntu) "package gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly 0.10.17-1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/af/LC_MESSAGES/.mo', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad 0.10.21-1ubuntu10 (affects: 38) (dups: 34) (heat: 290)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751343 [15:10] jpds: ah I see. Thanks [15:12] jpds: Nothing like a popular bug :-) [15:13] hi there. I just updated to Ubuntu 11.04 and am using Unity. I'm seeing some font overlap issue in a terminal . It happens on gnome-terminal and terminator with multiple tabs open. is this known? [15:14] matsubara: I'm not seeing that - what font are you using? [15:14] penguin42, Ubuntu [15:15] matsubara: Is that fixed width? [15:16] penguin42, yep, Ubuntu font for all my font settings including fixed width [15:16] matsubara: I don't think the ubuntu font is a fixed width font [15:33] penguin42, thanks. that was it. I choose a fixed width one and it now looks fine. [15:33] looks fine [15:33] no prob [16:30] Am getting some crashes on Natty but the bug reports Ubuntu wants me to send are around 350MB each, far too large for my internet connection is there a way to send a smaller report, no smaller option is offered [16:33] what crashes? [16:35] MadCow108: the last case was Nautilus but another was aptd [16:37] you can run the program under gdb or valgrind to get similar information [16:37] gdb ./program, when it crashes, bt full [16:37] MadCow108: I'm not familiar with gdb or valgrind will have to look into them, thanks === udienz_ is now known as udienz [16:40] are you using natty? I always get the option to send a small report [16:43] MadCow108: yep. Natty Beta 1 [16:44] somethinginteres: have you updated your natty to current? sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [16:44] since beta-1 we have had many updates [16:45] hggdh: I ran the update-manager but will execute those commands to be sure [16:45] somethinginteres: be careful that no needed package gets removed [16:45] hggdh: how can I prevent that from occuring? [16:46] somethinginteres: after you issue the dist-upgrade, read the output to see if anything will be removed. If it appears so, pastebin the whole command output here [16:48] hggdh: appears there's nothing being removed just 13 package upgrades. Thanks for the heads up. Should I always run from the terminal or would update-manager also find these upgrades normally and they just appeared after I last refreshed the package information? [16:49] somethinginteres: updating on a devel release should always be done with care; update-manager would also find these updates after an apt-get update [16:50] hggdh: OK, thank you === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch === zyga is now known as zyga-afk === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [17:43] ok what package do i file a bu on for preffered apps dialog. i know that each package should have a setting to be placed in there but on the browsers/email tab it doesnt offer custom so i was going to file a separate bug for the "custom" bug and the package bug [17:43] s/bu/bug === zyga-afk is now known as zyga === balthus is now known as xaba [17:49] gnomefreak: it Ubuntu, the package is gconf [17:50] but it is different for each distro. [17:53] gnomefreak, don't open that bug [17:57] after a revoke ui which is in the terminal revuid the uid key is revoked, but after a serverupload/synch. the revoked uid is still present in launchpad [17:58] seahorse gives the same results....imo there no way to remove revoked uids from launchpad === tubadaz_ is now known as tubadaz [18:03] which package should this bug be assigned to ? [18:03] bug 748151 [18:03] Launchpad bug 748151 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) ""Safely Remove" USB drive works great, but is remounted immediately (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/748151 [18:07] om26er: udev, I think [18:09] moved thanks charlie-tca__ [18:09] You are welcome [18:13] Ubuntu isn't respecting prefered web browser. I set it to Chromium in Chromium Preferences and upon exit the prefered app returns to the default setting of Firefox. Where should I report this? [18:14] somethinginteres: already reported, looking for number [18:16] somethinginteres: bug 670128 [18:16] Launchpad bug 670128 in xdg-utils (Fedora) (and 4 other projects) "gnome-open uses firefox while it's not the preferred browser (affects: 23) (dups: 6) (heat: 155)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670128 === kklimond` is now known as kklimonda [18:20] micahg: no problem. I try to use my search foo but it's just not up to par :) === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara [18:27] seb128: dont open a bug on that problem? [18:27] gnomefreak, what about that? [18:27] this isnt for me someone else was wanting info on it so an already standing bug would be great [18:27] seb128: preffered apps not listing apps nor custom [18:27] gnomefreak, what is your question exactly [18:28] right, that's a GNOME design decision [18:28] seb128: he wants to know why thunderbird isnt listed in preffered... [18:28] chrisccoulson, ^ [18:28] why is that still not fixed? [18:28] seb128: oh, afaik we added something to the tb3.3 package to list it in there and it is listed [18:28] so what are you saying? [18:28] but not the default tb package [18:29] what is the default package and why is it not fixed? [18:29] i just haven't done an upload with the fix in yet ;) [18:29] seb128: only the 3.3 package of tb is listed. that is from daily PPA [18:29] gnomefreak, ok, known issue then, it will be fixed for natty [18:29] thanks seb chrisccoulson [18:29] gnomefreak: no, tb 3.3 uses gio I think [18:30] whereas tb 3.1 still uses gnome-vfs [18:30] micahg: well i remember tellioong chrisccoulson about it and within a few days it was listed [18:30] telling [18:30] ok i will tell fool.... about it. thanks guys [18:30] note, that setting the default client from *within* thunderbird is unlikely to work in natty. i just don't see how i'm going to get time to backport all of the gio changes to make that work properly [18:31] but setting it from gnome-default-application-properties will work [18:31] chrisccoulson: probably not worth it since in ~2-3 months we'll be updating to 3.3 [18:31] well, it doesn't work there either ;) [18:31] although, it needs less patches to make it work [18:32] * micahg thought 3.3 was using gio, guess not [18:32] it can, but it doesn't work properly === slicer_ is now known as slicer === strycore is now known as strycore` === cdbs_ is now known as cdbs === strycore` is now known as strycore === kklimonda is now known as Guest26233 === maxb_ is now known as maxb === kklimond` is now known as kklimonda` === kklimonda` is now known as kklimonda_ === kklimonda_ is now known as Guest69816 === Guest69816 is now known as kklimonda [21:20] can't anything be done to speed up the retraces? === paul__ is now known as Elbrus [21:33] Tetsuo55: I think you'll have to ask pitti that [21:38] he comes onlin ehere? [21:38] the retraces are almost always to late for my bug reports, resulting in a close because the retracer got updated [21:46] Tetsuo55: nope, he's in #ubuntu-devel [21:46] and yeah, that does happen rather frequently :/ [21:49] ok thanks [22:47] does installing the debug symbols packages from ddebs make valgrind traces more useful? (ie less '???' in them?) === matsubara is now known as matsubara-afk [23:35] ali1234: yes indeed. Actually, not more powerful, but _useful_. Without the symbols, valgrind's output is worthless [23:36] i never said powerful :) [23:36] actually you just reminded me to kill the leaky program before it totally overwhelms my system [23:36] ali1234: I beg your pardon. 'powerful' came from my deranged imagination ;-) [23:36] totally forgot about it [23:36] leaking 2GB in 20 minutes is bad right? [23:37] er. bad is a delicate way of saying it sucks to high heaven [23:37] it is BAD [23:38] this morning i had 7GB of swap in use, plus all of phys mem [23:39] heh. Who is the culprit, and what version of Ubuntu? [23:39] probably would have been more if page faults didn't cause a 1.3 second iowait [23:40] the culprit is gvfsd/gnome-system-monitor/libdbus and the version of ubuntu is at least lucid, maverick and natty [23:41] i can reproduce on a clean install on any of those, haven't tried others [23:41] as usual it's the intersection of two or more bugs that's causing it [23:42] gvfsd has a small leak that's made much worse because gnome-system-monitor hammers it constantly with requests sometimes [23:42] i haven't figured out yet what "sometimes" means [23:42] yeah, sounds like it, and --right now, without any firm position-- I would say g-s-m plays a part [23:43] g-s-m also likes to exceed the limit on active dbus watches [23:43] cuz I do not have this problem (and I am not running /have not run) g-s-m so far since I installed this natty [23:43] and which programme you see eating up memory? [23:43] gvfsd [23:43] ugh! [23:43] hang on, let me get the bug number :) [23:44] bug 751523 [23:44] Launchpad bug 751523 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "gnome-system-monitor spams dbus with requests for volume information (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751523 [23:44] if you follow the 3 steps you'll see ever increasing mem use by gvfsd on any ubuntu system [23:45] on a clean install it's like 1mb every minute [23:45] on my main workstation it's more like 1mb per second [23:45] but it happens everywhere to some extent [23:48] hmm still missing some debug symbols [23:49] um... where are the symbols for libdbus-1 and libglib-2? [23:50] IDK, let me try to find out [23:51] this is what i got so far: http://pastebin.com/W3BbvKf8 [23:52] for libglib2.0-- you can install libglib2.0-0.dbg [23:52] ah is that in the main repos? [23:52] it will carry all needed debug symbols for all packages derived from the source libglib2.0 [23:52] yes [23:53] bet dbus is same :) [23:53] but not all packages have a .dbg (or even .dbgsym) [23:53] hmm... can't find anything for libdbus [23:54] it's in dbus-1.dbg [23:54] ah cheers [23:55] ali1234: the valgrind excerpt you showed me is for which of them? This one really has a problem... [23:56] gvfsd [23:56] that's the only one that actually spirals out of control re memory use [23:56] g-s-m just fills .xsession-errors with crap [23:56] and only after it exceeds the limit, which takes a few hours [23:58] I think 1 second is too short a period. *BUT* still, this should not happen [23:58] it's just to make the problem happen quicker :) [23:58] (this is also called 'testing for boundary conditions') [23:59] on my workstation where i first noticed the bug this morning it's all on defaults