| ev | cjwatson: out of curiosity, why don't we use parted | 10:09 |
|---|---|---|
| ev | 's support for resizing hfs+ partitions in resize_use_free | 10:09 |
| cjwatson | ev: I don't really remember, TBH | 11:09 |
| cjwatson | ev: it's possible there wasn't much point because you have to disable the journal in order for that to work anyway | 11:09 |
| ev | oh, of course | 11:19 |
| ev | yet another reason I think we should pay someone to add journal support to the hfs+ driver | 11:20 |
| === mark_ is now known as mark | ||
| CIA-7 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r1433 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Move to 2.6.38-8 kernels. | 16:11 |
| mterry | ev, hello again re: geonames stuff! | 16:39 |
| ev | hiya | 16:39 |
| ev | so I've at least made some progress | 16:39 |
| ev | minimal, but I've updated the import script to actually work | 16:41 |
| mterry | ev, oh? | 16:41 |
| ev | I was going to ask IS to run it with the most recent data, but that doesn't seem to fix the SF bug | 16:41 |
| ev | so I'll have to dig deeper | 16:41 |
| ev | anyway | 16:41 |
| ev | what's up? :) | 16:41 |
| mterry | ev, so I was looking at the localization issue | 16:41 |
| ev | oh? | 16:42 |
| mterry | ev, and realized that the data we want seems to be there, in the alternateNames.txt file and is even imported into an sql table | 16:42 |
| mterry | ev, but the geonames.py file (this is the code that runs on the server?) doesn't ever seem to look at that table for matches | 16:42 |
| ev | ah | 16:42 |
| ev | so in terms of what's run... | 16:43 |
| ev | geoname-modpython.py is what's actually behind /?query= | 16:43 |
| mterry | ev, ok. that also doesn't seem to look at the alternate table | 16:43 |
| ev | that connects to sphinx which does full text searches against the geoname table | 16:44 |
| ev | and yes, as you suggest, it's not looking at alternateNames | 16:44 |
| mterry | ev, another wishlist is to sort by population | 16:45 |
| mterry | which also seems to be in the sql table | 16:45 |
| ev | yeah, we could definitely do that | 16:45 |
| ev | wishlists> feel free to beat me to it, the code is all there. But if you're equally swamped, I'll endeavor to find time for it amongst the ubiquity bug fixing | 16:45 |
| mterry | ev, I was about to ask how busy you were :) | 16:46 |
| mterry | ev, so you're saying both l18n and pop sorting are not things you have near-term time for? | 16:46 |
| ev | I'm saying I can try to fit them in, but I cannot make any promises, given the number of bugs milestoned for natty | 16:47 |
| mterry | I can talk to klattimer about it too, maybe he has some time | 16:47 |
| mterry | ev, understood. I can try to dust off my sql | 16:47 |
| ev | heh, it's simple stuff, no stored procedures here :) | 16:47 |
| CIA-7 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r1434 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu26 | 16:48 |
| ev | do let me know of your progress if you pick it up or if Karl has time for it, that way I wont duplicate your work if I find some free cycles | 16:48 |
| ev | oh and let me know if you can't commit to trunk or if Karl has a launchpad ID that should be given permission to trunk | 16:49 |
| compaq17_ | Can anyone help with an install problem? | 18:01 |
| ev | ugh, adorable: | 18:26 |
| ev | Apr 5 16:15:01 ubuntu in-target: Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu 11.04 _Natty Narwhal_ - Beta i386 (20110404)/dists/natty/main/binary-i386/Packages Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs | 18:26 |
| ev | (bug 751666) | 18:27 |
| ev | I've nearly got 739489 sorted. It's still adding some duplicates, which I'll have to look into, but more importantly it's not stripping out partner or extras. | 18:28 |
| === amichairo is now known as amichair | ||
| chris4585 | hello! I just tried to upgrade using the beta ubuntu 11.04, and got a error message http://i.imgur.com/wEH0e.png and data loss, I'm not sure where things in my /home went to... | 20:51 |
| cjwatson | the message is self-explanatory, but it *really* shouldn't have caused data loss. how did you determine that data was lost? | 20:55 |
| chris4585 | cjwatson, hello, I read the error message and I don't think its too accurate, because 1) the HDD is working fine 2) I was using USB not a CD | 20:56 |
| chris4585 | everything on the original install seems intact but my /home folder | 20:56 |
| cjwatson | well, it may not cover all the bases, but input/output error means a hardware problem | 20:57 |
| cjwatson | was /home a separate partition? | 20:57 |
| chris4585 | cjwatson, no it wasn't | 20:57 |
| cjwatson | can you extract installer logs? /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman from the running installer | 20:58 |
| cjwatson | which partitioning option did you select? | 20:58 |
| chris4585 | cjwatson, I don't think thats possible, I first tried from a CD, then from USB and then realized the files were missing, the logs are long gone | 20:58 |
| cjwatson | so you had an abortive installation from CD before this installation run, which you believe toasted the data? | 20:59 |
| chris4585 | cjwatson, the upgrade option didn't provide a partition option | 20:59 |
| cjwatson | in that case, which partitioning option did you select in the CD run? | 20:59 |
| cjwatson | the screenshot you provided isn't an upgrade | 20:59 |
| cjwatson | it's a fresh install | 21:00 |
| chris4585 | hrm... okay but I clearly selected upgrade.. | 21:00 |
| cjwatson | oh, OK, there was an option added labelled "upgrade" - it's meant to be a fresh install but saving your data | 21:00 |
| cjwatson | (for future reference, you can just upgrade using update-manager) | 21:01 |
| chris4585 | cjwatson, I see. I would do that but my experience with upgrading that way, is not so pleasant, and on satellite connection it would be hell | 21:01 |
| cjwatson | ev: we seriously need to either ramp up the warnings on the upgrade option, or do some really serious QA | 21:01 |
| cjwatson | ev: if nothing else it absolutely must say that people should keep backups, IMO | 21:02 |
| chris4585 | thanks for the help though, I'll just try to use a file recovery program | 21:02 |
| cjwatson | chris4585: I'm sorry for the data loss; I will try to make sure that we identify the problem before release | 21:02 |
| chris4585 | cjwatson, well I agree.. I should have made backups before, but figured the upgrade option would have been safe enough | 21:02 |
| chris4585 | most of the data I believe I can get back | 21:02 |
| cjwatson | upgrading over the net is very safe (it may go wrong mid-upgrade, but it's always recoverable, and data loss is vanishingly rare). upgrading using the installer ... still needs work | 21:03 |
| chris4585 | I have another question, while using the upgrade option, what actually happens to the /home folder? does ubiquity absolutely not touch it? | 21:03 |
| chris4585 | cjwatson, I'll keep that in mind | 21:04 |
| cjwatson | that's how it's supposed to work | 21:04 |
| chris4585 | ok, thanks for the help | 21:04 |
| CIA-7 | partman-auto: cjwatson * r608 ubuntu/automatically_partition/reuse/do_option: fix indentation | 21:04 |
| cjwatson | it's meant to mount the old /, and remove everything owned by the system | 21:04 |
| chris4585 | ah ok | 21:05 |
| cjwatson | (so it will lose any system-level customisations) | 21:05 |
| cjwatson | ev: hm, bearing in mind loss of system-level customisations, I recommend we phrase this more as "reinstall, preserving old user data" rather than "upgrade" | 21:06 |
| cjwatson | "No files will be deleted" is untrue as stated | 21:06 |
| chris4585 | cjwatson, personally I like the Upgrade part, it makes sense, but possible list it as "Upgrade - preserving personal documents and files" | 21:08 |
| chris4585 | just my 2cents | 21:08 |
| cjwatson | the thing is that we've worked hard to build up an understanding of an upgrade as something that preserves your customisations where possible | 21:09 |
| charlie-tca__ | If it doesn't actually upgrade from old release to new release, might it be better to list it as "Reinstall on top" ? | 21:09 |
| cjwatson | (and, OK, failed sometimes, but that has definitely been the intention over all the years of Debian and Ubuntu development) | 21:09 |
| cjwatson | this is supposed to be a fresh install which preserves user data; I think describing it as an upgrade is going to cause confusion | 21:10 |
| cjwatson | I mean, I think it's a good option and should exist (and be fixed) | 21:10 |
| cjwatson | I just don't think it should be named the same way as something that's qualitatively different | 21:10 |
| chris4585 | cjwatson, I agree I suppose, makes sense | 21:11 |
| cjwatson | actually, I think I exaggerate - that option preserves changes you've made to files owned by packages | 21:16 |
| cjwatson | but there are other customisations possible that don't fall into that category | 21:16 |
| cjwatson | I've filed bug 751904 | 21:31 |
| === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer | ||
| CIA-7 | ubiquity: superm1 * r4642 ubiquity/ (bin/oem-config-remove-gtk debian/changelog): | 23:23 |
| CIA-7 | ubiquity: Modify oem-config-remove-gtk to look in /var/lib/dpkg/info again | 23:23 |
| CIA-7 | ubiquity: rather than /var/lib/dpkg/info/*/ for installed packages. | 23:23 |
| CIA-7 | ubiquity: superm1 * r4643 ubiquity/ (bin/oem-config-remove-gtk debian/changelog): | 23:29 |
| CIA-7 | ubiquity: Remove cryptsetup after oem-config if ecryptfs is not in use. | 23:29 |
| CIA-7 | ubiquity: Thanks Tony Espy. | 23:29 |
| CIA-7 | ubiquity: superm1 * r4644 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.5.34 | 23:57 |
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