| YoBoY | bonjour | 06:57 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:23 |
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| fortinux | hi | 09:34 |
| fortinux | is there anyone from the catalan loco team | 09:34 |
| fortinux | ? | 09:34 |
| dholbach | fortinux, dpm is, but there might be more :) | 09:35 |
| fortinux | I'll wait 4 a moment to see if everyone's appear, thanks | 09:37 |
| dpm | fortinux, what, is it not enough to have one Catalan around? :P | 09:39 |
| fortinux | :-) upss, sorry I didn't mean that | 09:40 |
| fortinux | With a friend we want to make an install party in Barcelona since I've seen U don't have anyone at the moment | 09:43 |
| fortinux | may I talk with U to organize it? | 09:43 |
| fortinux | shall we speak in catalan here? :-) | 09:44 |
| dholbach | fortinux, dpm is trying to make Catalan the official Ubuntu language anyway | 09:47 |
| dpm | yeah, it's on my roadmap for 11.10 :-) | 09:47 |
| fortinux | :-) I think it's a good idea | 09:48 |
| dpm | fortinux, sure, let's have a chat. We can go to #ubuntu-cat if you like | 09:48 |
| fortinux | ok, have a nice dy dholbach! thanks | 09:49 |
| dholbach | fortinux, you too | 09:50 |
| dpm | fortinux, there's more people there ^ so if you want to discuss, feel free to come along and ping me or alexm | 09:50 |
| fortinux | ok, thanks dpm, see U there | 09:50 |
| dpm | cool :) | 09:51 |
| paky1111 | ciao | 12:42 |
| paky1111 | help | 12:43 |
| paky1111 | ho installato ubuntu e mi funziona ma all'accensione del pc non mi da la possibilita' di scegliere tra windows vista ed ubuntu cosa devo fare?grazie | 12:44 |
| Pendulum | !it | 12:44 |
| ubot4 | Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette) | 12:44 |
| paky1111 | grazie e scusate | 12:45 |
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| jono | btw folks, http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/05/shipit-discontinued-long-live-loco-teams/ | 19:08 |
| JanC | jono: so locoteams that are not approved yet can't get CDs? | 19:17 |
| jono | JanC, yep | 19:17 |
| jono | but that has been the policy for a while in terms of a pack of CDs | 19:17 |
| JanC | jono: the bar to become/stay approved is significuantly higher than "being able to distribute CDs" | 19:18 |
| jono | JanC, agreed - and people are welcome to distribute their own CDs | 19:18 |
| jono | but this is a pure resourcing issue - there was a lot of waste with ShipIt | 19:18 |
| JanC | yeah, I know that | 19:19 |
| jono | it is more likely Approved teams won't waste those resources | 19:19 |
| jono | of course, not all new teams will waste them either, it is a judgement call | 19:19 |
| JanC | jono: what about CDs for events & such in countries/states that have no approved locoteam (yet)? | 19:22 |
| Ddorda | jono: too bad, i'm not sure if we'll pass our next approval request, which means no CDs? | 19:23 |
| Ddorda | jono: moreover, i think personal CDs requests should be available for several countries that has no regular internet cponnection | 19:24 |
| Ddorda | connection* | 19:24 |
| mhall119 | JanC: I think the conference packs are still available to anybody promoting Ubuntu at a conference | 19:24 |
| Daniel0108 | jono: noo, two days ago I re-founded the LoCo Austria :( | 19:24 |
| JanC | Daniel0108: you can always burn your own CDs of course ;) | 19:25 |
| Daniel0108 | JanC: yes I know ;) But they told me: "If you need CDs, just ask canonical" and now I can't ask ;) | 19:25 |
| leogg | Ddorda, nothing is stopping you from burning your own CDs :) | 19:25 |
| jono | JanC, there may be exceptions here and there, but they will need to become approved | 19:27 |
| Ddorda | leogg: of course, but there's a huge difference between spreading official CDs and burning CDs... | 19:27 |
| jono | Ddorda, in a perfect world, we would give everyone free CDs | 19:27 |
| Daniel0108 | jono: how can my LoCo team become approved? | 19:27 |
| jono | but remember, Canonical is a startup :-) | 19:27 |
| jono | we have limited coffers | 19:27 |
| jono | Daniel0108, you go to the LoCo Council for approval | 19:28 |
| JanC | Daniel0108: that will take you a year at least | 19:28 |
| Daniel0108 | jono: okay, thanks ;) | 19:28 |
| Ddorda | jono: what about poor countries? | 19:28 |
| leogg | Ddorda, look at it this way: burning your own CDs (and not wasting valuable resources) is a *great* way to support Ubuntu! | 19:28 |
| Daniel0108 | first of all I have to get more members ^^ | 19:28 |
| jono | Ddorda, unfortunately, we won't be able to provide them with CDs as we used to | 19:28 |
| jono | Daniel0108, :-) | 19:28 |
| Ddorda | it's not about fortune ;) | 19:29 |
| jono | Ddorda, eh? | 19:29 |
| JanC | what you can do as a locoteam is get CDs pressed, maybe with sponsorship from a local company or association... | 19:29 |
| Ddorda | unfortunately... nvrm, bad joke :P | 19:29 |
| jono | :-) | 19:29 |
| JanC | and/or sell them for a small amount | 19:29 |
| jono | I agree folks, it sucks we can't invest as much in CDs, but at least is is not being cut completely :-) | 19:29 |
| leogg | Ddorda, locally made CDs can also be customised... which is pretty cool! :) | 19:30 |
| Ddorda | leogg: I know, but for such thing you need someone to work on it, right? | 19:30 |
| mhall119 | jono: do you know if official CD cover art and sleeve art is going to be made available under a CC license? | 19:30 |
| JanC | makign a localised CD isn't very difficult | 19:30 |
| leogg | Ddorda, spreadubuntu FTW! :D | 19:30 |
| leogg | there's a lot of CD cover art over at spreadubuntu | 19:31 |
| jono | mhall119, I am not sure | 19:31 |
| leogg | or ask the art-team for help | 19:31 |
| jono | mhall119, I thought it already was | 19:31 |
| mhall119 | it might be, I've never had the need to look | 19:31 |
| JanC | artwork is available AFAIK, but I don't know under what license | 19:31 |
| leogg | mhall119, jono, I think they already are available as CC | 19:32 |
| JanC | "CC license" is also very non-specific ;) | 19:32 |
| leogg | true | 19:32 |
| mhall119 | but if it is, then there's nothing stopping a LoCo from pooling their money and ordering a professional run of CDs | 19:32 |
| Daniel0108 | hi Georgs | 19:35 |
| Georgs | hi Daniel0108 | 19:35 |
| JanC | the French team makes their own CD sleeves, so you don't need the official artwork per se | 19:35 |
| jono | mhall119, indeed :-) | 19:35 |
| jono | brb lunch | 19:35 |
| Daniel0108 | okay | 19:35 |
| BigWhale | Funny, we're still so retro that we burn our CD's when we give them away. :> | 19:37 |
| leogg | http://design.canonical.com/brand/Examples/release_cds/ | 19:37 |
| mhall119 | JanC: don't *need* it, but it'd probably be easier if you had it | 19:37 |
| JanC | http://enventelibre.org/sites/enventelibre.org/files/imagecache/product_full/evl-pochette1010.png --> French CDs | 19:37 |
| JanC | mhall119: you probably need to make something new from it anyway, e.g. because the sleeves you use are different and because you want to add text in another language, a link to your locoteam, maybe sponsors... | 19:38 |
| mhall119 | JanC: but if you don't have an artistically inclined loco member, if you have a good source imagine to give to the printing company, then can probably accomodate you | 19:39 |
| JanC | maybe | 19:40 |
| leogg | BigWhale, retro is cool! :) | 19:40 |
| JanC | people from the art team or other locoteams might be willing to help too | 19:40 |
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| BigWhale | leogg, yeah, we have a burning station with four cd writers and it takes very little to get 100 CD's out. | 19:42 |
| BigWhale | Party like it's 1999! :> | 19:43 |
| leogg | BigWhale, :O that's awesome! /me want one of those burning stations! :D | 19:43 |
| BigWhale | Hardy har! It's a PC, running Ubuntu and a bunch of shell scripts. | 19:44 |
| leogg | cool! | 19:45 |
| YoBoY | JanC the french CD sleeve is based on the official | 19:46 |
| YoBoY | and yes locoteams can make their own localised CDs, but they need money to do that | 19:49 |
| YoBoY | and they need to sell these CDs depending on the fabrication cost. | 19:50 |
| JanC | YoBoY: yeah, one of the problems might be with "poor" locoteams | 19:51 |
| YoBoY | I totaly agree with you | 19:51 |
| JanC | I think money is no problem for a team that has been around and working on funding for some time, like ubuntu-fr & ubuntu-be | 19:52 |
| JanC | but we are the approved teams... ;) | 19:52 |
| YoBoY | yes :) | 19:53 |
| leogg | YoBoY, JanC, CDs are not expensive? | 19:53 |
| JanC | and I can imagine a new & young team with mostly students not having the money to pre-finance CDs... | 19:54 |
| YoBoY | we produced for the 10.10 version 9000 CD, 0,28€/CD with the sleeve of course | 19:54 |
| leogg | over here, you can buy 10 CDs for a $1 dollar | 19:54 |
| YoBoY | we plan to produce for the 11.04 11000 CD, 0,23€/CD for this version :) | 19:55 |
| JanC | leogg: they have "author's rights contribution taxes" on CD-Rs over here... | 19:55 |
| leogg | you really only need a blank disc and a marker... the software is the important stuff | 19:55 |
| JanC | and those taxes are > 100% | 19:55 |
| leogg | JanC, yep... that sucks! | 19:55 |
| BigWhale | JanC, we have that too! | 19:55 |
| leogg | JanC, but again... you don't need anything fancy... just a blank CD? | 19:56 |
| YoBoY | We think a "official" CD is more professional than a burned one. | 19:56 |
| YoBoY | when you go to talk about Ubuntu to someone and ask him if he want to try or to install it, it's reassuring to show an official CD with a sleeve. | 19:57 |
| leogg | YoBoY, it really depends on the message you want to deliver... | 19:58 |
| leogg | YoBoY, it's ok for a corporate audience | 19:58 |
| BigWhale | And it also depends on the audience | 19:58 |
| BigWhale | indeed | 19:58 |
| leogg | I prefer home-made CDs that just screams "community" :D | 19:58 |
| BigWhale | Well, in not so distant time I'll be looking for sponsors that will donate a bunch od USB thumb drives. | 19:59 |
| YoBoY | our audience is more normal people, users. Not all know how to burn a CD or create a live USB. Community is great, but it's not enought to make Ubuntu the great product that can kill other OS | 20:01 |
| JanC | leogg: the tax on a blank CDs is 0.12 € + taxes over here, which means a CD-R is probably about 3 to 4 times more expensive for us than for you :) | 20:01 |
| Pendulum | leogg: I've found that non-corporate new users respond better to official looking CDs either | 20:01 |
| Pendulum | *as well | 20:02 |
| Pendulum | it makes things look a little more professional and like the people producing it know what they're doing | 20:02 |
| JanC | Pendulum: in my experience it's often the "collectors" who complain most if we only have burned CDs... :P | 20:03 |
| * YoBoY hugs Pendulum :) | 20:03 | |
| JanC | but "better looking" CDs certainly helps for part of the target audience | 20:03 |
| leogg | JanC, indeed... but I think you can afford it? what's the minimum wage? ours is ~$200 dollars | 20:04 |
| YoBoY | JanC: we don't give the CDs, collectors who buy CDs is good also. I agre in case of free CDs most of them are wasted | 20:04 |
| Pendulum | TBH, I'm slightly concerned in terms of things that aren't loco related. For example, I got asked last year to get Ubuntu CDs for a Gnome A11y event | 20:04 |
| leogg | you should sell the CDs | 20:04 |
| BigWhale | JanC, in Slovenia we have similar tax. Once I wrote to our version of RIAA if I can get a refund for 300 or so CDs that contain pictures I took. They told me they'll get back to me. :)) | 20:05 |
| JanC | Pendulum: I suppose that shouldn't be an issue | 20:05 |
| leogg | The costs of the CDs (pressed or not) should not be an issue if you sell them? | 20:06 |
| Pendulum | JanC: it's hard to tell if it would be an issue or not. I certainly couldn't afford to send them 200 CDs out of pocket and I don't think they'd take kindly to 'burn your own' or 'here are a bunch of ones I've burned for you' | 20:06 |
| Pendulum | JanC: and it's unclear to me how that would be handled now that there's no ship-it | 20:07 |
| JanC | Pendulum: in the past you didn't need to be an approved locoteam (or a locoteam at all) to get CDs for conferences | 20:07 |
| Pendulum | JanC: right. but that's what's changed. So what would I tell the Gnome A11y people? (who came to be as A11y lead, not because I was part of a loco) | 20:08 |
| JanC | but you're right about the way to contact them | 20:08 |
| Pendulum | *me | 20:08 |
| Pendulum | there is no clearity at all to me on how conferences will be handled | 20:08 |
| Pendulum | *clarity | 20:08 |
| Pendulum | sorry, hand fail day means my typing is bad | 20:08 |
| BigWhale | As I gathered from Jono's blog entry, events and conferences will still get CD's, right? | 20:09 |
| BigWhale | They just got rid of the: "Hi, I'm Joe, send me 400 CD's, I'll be using them as coasters." | 20:10 |
| BigWhale | sort of things. | 20:10 |
| leogg | BigWhale, only approved AFAIK | 20:10 |
| YoBoY | We try to ship our french live CDs everywhere in the world, perhaps other common langage loco teams are doing the same, for locoteams and gull we sell them with a lower price, only to pay the fabrication cost | 20:10 |
| Pendulum | BigWhale: approved locos can get them. I got confused past that. | 20:10 |
| JanC | YoBoY: and you sell nice metal case badges to other locoteams too! ☺ | 20:16 |
| YoBoY | ;) | 20:16 |
| JanC | people seem happy to pay for those, even if there are free ones too ;) | 20:16 |
| BigWhale | What? People are making profit from open source?? Unpossible! ;> | 20:17 |
| UndiFineD | BigWhale, wrong | 20:17 |
| YoBoY | btw we plan to produce stickers this month, with no team reference on them, I'll send a mail to the ML to see if other teams want to participate when we will ready | 20:17 |
| JanC | BigWhale: "profit" is a big word, locoteam income goes back to promoting Ubuntu ☺ | 20:17 |
| BigWhale | I'm kidding. :) | 20:18 |
| YoBoY | making money is a necessity to be able to promote correctly Ubuntu | 20:19 |
| YoBoY | the items provided by canonical are great, but it's not enough | 20:19 |
| BigWhale | I am quite active in our LUG, I know how things go. However, we were accused of making profit from open source by some people. :) | 20:20 |
| BigWhale | I like to make fun out of it. | 20:20 |
| MichealH | I am writing this from Unity 2D :) | 20:21 |
| MichealH | 11.04 is great so far | 20:21 |
| leogg | BigWhale, show them this ---> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html :D | 20:21 |
| YoBoY | BigWhale: stupid people are in every places ;) | 20:21 |
| BigWhale | leogg, I did. I had few talks about money and open source. Some people just don't (want to) get it. | 20:22 |
| UndiFineD | BigWhale, http://www.techcast.com/events/cebit11/mi03/ | 20:23 |
| leogg | :D | 20:23 |
| BigWhale | YoBoY, I prefer to call them, "those that are on the lower plane of reality". :> | 20:23 |
| BigWhale | UndiFineD, Nice. Jon's talks are always interesting. | 20:25 |
| UndiFineD | I watched it 2 times, shame those managers had no questions | 20:25 |
| YoBoY | BigWhale: well we are evil here and we have our own online store ;) | 20:25 |
| JanC | ah, maddog ☺ | 20:38 |
| BigWhale | Maddog is fun. :) | 20:39 |
| JanC | he's a good story teller, so he can capture his public | 20:39 |
| BigWhale | and he doesn't wear disk platters on his head. :> | 20:40 |
| Thirtysixway | with the drop of shipit, is there any way for local linux users groups (not specifically ubuntu user groups) to still get CDs? | 20:53 |
| head_victim | Thirtysixway: ask your LoCo to submit a request is probably the easiest way I can think of | 20:55 |
| Thirtysixway | okay i'll try that if we decide we want to distribute discs. thanks | 20:56 |
| czajkowski | no the cds will be for approved locos only | 20:57 |
| head_victim | czajkowski: if the loco were doing a presentation at a lug event I thought that might work out, I was hoping to have more discussion before they left. | 20:58 |
| * UndiFineD hands laura some batteries for the remote | 20:58 | |
| pleia2 | depends on the team, but in california I'll send up to 5 CDs to anyone who asks (more if they have an event and we have the spare CDs), lug or not, loco member or not | 20:59 |
| czajkowski | ot'll depend on if the team has them spare or what ever wya they give them out tbh, but only the approved teams will be able to request them | 21:00 |
| pleia2 | anyone == anyone in the state | 21:00 |
| head_victim | pleia2: we just do a mailout, our rural areas are mainly still on dialup so we offer to post burnt copies out for free and have people donate the CDs and postage. | 21:02 |
| * pleia2 nods | 21:03 | |
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| * AlanBell has filled out the form for the Natty CDs | 21:38 | |
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