[06:57] bonjour === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski [08:23] good morning === daker_ is now known as daker [09:34] hi [09:34] is there anyone from the catalan loco team [09:34] ? [09:35] fortinux, dpm is, but there might be more :) [09:37] I'll wait 4 a moment to see if everyone's appear, thanks [09:39] fortinux, what, is it not enough to have one Catalan around? :P [09:40] :-) upss, sorry I didn't mean that [09:43] With a friend we want to make an install party in Barcelona since I've seen U don't have anyone at the moment [09:43] may I talk with U to organize it? [09:44] shall we speak in catalan here? :-) [09:47] fortinux, dpm is trying to make Catalan the official Ubuntu language anyway [09:47] yeah, it's on my roadmap for 11.10 :-) [09:48] :-) I think it's a good idea [09:48] fortinux, sure, let's have a chat. We can go to #ubuntu-cat if you like [09:49] ok, have a nice dy dholbach! thanks [09:50] fortinux, you too [09:50] fortinux, there's more people there ^ so if you want to discuss, feel free to come along and ping me or alexm [09:50] ok, thanks dpm, see U there [09:51] cool :) [12:42] ciao [12:43] help [12:44] ho installato ubuntu e mi funziona ma all'accensione del pc non mi da la possibilita' di scegliere tra windows vista ed ubuntu cosa devo fare?grazie [12:44] !it [12:44] Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette) [12:45] grazie e scusate === Tm_K is now known as Tm_T === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal === YoBoY` is now known as YoBoY === daker is now known as daker_ === cdbs_ is now known as cdbs [19:08] btw folks, http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/05/shipit-discontinued-long-live-loco-teams/ [19:17] jono: so locoteams that are not approved yet can't get CDs? [19:17] JanC, yep [19:17] but that has been the policy for a while in terms of a pack of CDs [19:18] jono: the bar to become/stay approved is significuantly higher than "being able to distribute CDs" [19:18] JanC, agreed - and people are welcome to distribute their own CDs [19:18] but this is a pure resourcing issue - there was a lot of waste with ShipIt [19:19] yeah, I know that [19:19] it is more likely Approved teams won't waste those resources [19:19] of course, not all new teams will waste them either, it is a judgement call [19:22] jono: what about CDs for events & such in countries/states that have no approved locoteam (yet)? [19:23] jono: too bad, i'm not sure if we'll pass our next approval request, which means no CDs? [19:24] jono: moreover, i think personal CDs requests should be available for several countries that has no regular internet cponnection [19:24] connection* [19:24] JanC: I think the conference packs are still available to anybody promoting Ubuntu at a conference [19:24] jono: noo, two days ago I re-founded the LoCo Austria :( [19:25] Daniel0108: you can always burn your own CDs of course ;) [19:25] JanC: yes I know ;) But they told me: "If you need CDs, just ask canonical" and now I can't ask ;) [19:25] Ddorda, nothing is stopping you from burning your own CDs :) [19:27] JanC, there may be exceptions here and there, but they will need to become approved [19:27] leogg: of course, but there's a huge difference between spreading official CDs and burning CDs... [19:27] Ddorda, in a perfect world, we would give everyone free CDs [19:27] jono: how can my LoCo team become approved? [19:27] but remember, Canonical is a startup :-) [19:27] we have limited coffers [19:28] Daniel0108, you go to the LoCo Council for approval [19:28] Daniel0108: that will take you a year at least [19:28] jono: okay, thanks ;) [19:28] jono: what about poor countries? [19:28] Ddorda, look at it this way: burning your own CDs (and not wasting valuable resources) is a *great* way to support Ubuntu! [19:28] first of all I have to get more members ^^ [19:28] Ddorda, unfortunately, we won't be able to provide them with CDs as we used to [19:28] Daniel0108, :-) [19:29] it's not about fortune ;) [19:29] Ddorda, eh? [19:29] what you can do as a locoteam is get CDs pressed, maybe with sponsorship from a local company or association... [19:29] unfortunately... nvrm, bad joke :P [19:29] :-) [19:29] and/or sell them for a small amount [19:29] I agree folks, it sucks we can't invest as much in CDs, but at least is is not being cut completely :-) [19:30] Ddorda, locally made CDs can also be customised... which is pretty cool! :) [19:30] leogg: I know, but for such thing you need someone to work on it, right? [19:30] jono: do you know if official CD cover art and sleeve art is going to be made available under a CC license? [19:30] makign a localised CD isn't very difficult [19:30] Ddorda, spreadubuntu FTW! :D [19:31] there's a lot of CD cover art over at spreadubuntu [19:31] mhall119, I am not sure [19:31] or ask the art-team for help [19:31] mhall119, I thought it already was [19:31] it might be, I've never had the need to look [19:31] artwork is available AFAIK, but I don't know under what license [19:32] mhall119, jono, I think they already are available as CC [19:32] "CC license" is also very non-specific ;) [19:32] true [19:32] but if it is, then there's nothing stopping a LoCo from pooling their money and ordering a professional run of CDs [19:35] hi Georgs [19:35] hi Daniel0108 [19:35] the French team makes their own CD sleeves, so you don't need the official artwork per se [19:35] mhall119, indeed :-) [19:35] brb lunch [19:35] okay [19:37] Funny, we're still so retro that we burn our CD's when we give them away. :> [19:37] http://design.canonical.com/brand/Examples/release_cds/ [19:37] JanC: don't *need* it, but it'd probably be easier if you had it [19:37] http://enventelibre.org/sites/enventelibre.org/files/imagecache/product_full/evl-pochette1010.png --> French CDs [19:38] mhall119: you probably need to make something new from it anyway, e.g. because the sleeves you use are different and because you want to add text in another language, a link to your locoteam, maybe sponsors... [19:39] JanC: but if you don't have an artistically inclined loco member, if you have a good source imagine to give to the printing company, then can probably accomodate you [19:40] maybe [19:40] BigWhale, retro is cool! :) [19:40] people from the art team or other locoteams might be willing to help too === cypher is now known as czajkowski [19:42] leogg, yeah, we have a burning station with four cd writers and it takes very little to get 100 CD's out. [19:43] Party like it's 1999! :> [19:43] BigWhale, :O that's awesome! /me want one of those burning stations! :D [19:44] Hardy har! It's a PC, running Ubuntu and a bunch of shell scripts. [19:45] cool! [19:46] JanC the french CD sleeve is based on the official [19:49] and yes locoteams can make their own localised CDs, but they need money to do that [19:50] and they need to sell these CDs depending on the fabrication cost. [19:51] YoBoY: yeah, one of the problems might be with "poor" locoteams [19:51] I totaly agree with you [19:52] I think money is no problem for a team that has been around and working on funding for some time, like ubuntu-fr & ubuntu-be [19:52] but we are the approved teams... ;) [19:53] yes :) [19:53] YoBoY, JanC, CDs are not expensive? [19:54] and I can imagine a new & young team with mostly students not having the money to pre-finance CDs... [19:54] we produced for the 10.10 version 9000 CD, 0,28€/CD with the sleeve of course [19:54] over here, you can buy 10 CDs for a $1 dollar [19:55] we plan to produce for the 11.04 11000 CD, 0,23€/CD for this version :) [19:55] leogg: they have "author's rights contribution taxes" on CD-Rs over here... [19:55] you really only need a blank disc and a marker... the software is the important stuff [19:55] and those taxes are > 100% [19:55] JanC, yep... that sucks! [19:55] JanC, we have that too! [19:56] JanC, but again... you don't need anything fancy... just a blank CD? [19:56] We think a "official" CD is more professional than a burned one. [19:57] when you go to talk about Ubuntu to someone and ask him if he want to try or to install it, it's reassuring to show an official CD with a sleeve. [19:58] YoBoY, it really depends on the message you want to deliver... [19:58] YoBoY, it's ok for a corporate audience [19:58] And it also depends on the audience [19:58] indeed [19:58] I prefer home-made CDs that just screams "community" :D [19:59] Well, in not so distant time I'll be looking for sponsors that will donate a bunch od USB thumb drives. [20:01] our audience is more normal people, users. Not all know how to burn a CD or create a live USB. Community is great, but it's not enought to make Ubuntu the great product that can kill other OS [20:01] leogg: the tax on a blank CDs is 0.12 € + taxes over here, which means a CD-R is probably about 3 to 4 times more expensive for us than for you :) [20:01] leogg: I've found that non-corporate new users respond better to official looking CDs either [20:02] *as well [20:02] it makes things look a little more professional and like the people producing it know what they're doing [20:03] Pendulum: in my experience it's often the "collectors" who complain most if we only have burned CDs... :P [20:03] * YoBoY hugs Pendulum :) [20:03] but "better looking" CDs certainly helps for part of the target audience [20:04] JanC, indeed... but I think you can afford it? what's the minimum wage? ours is ~$200 dollars [20:04] JanC: we don't give the CDs, collectors who buy CDs is good also. I agre in case of free CDs most of them are wasted [20:04] TBH, I'm slightly concerned in terms of things that aren't loco related. For example, I got asked last year to get Ubuntu CDs for a Gnome A11y event [20:04] you should sell the CDs [20:05] JanC, in Slovenia we have similar tax. Once I wrote to our version of RIAA if I can get a refund for 300 or so CDs that contain pictures I took. They told me they'll get back to me. :)) [20:05] Pendulum: I suppose that shouldn't be an issue [20:06] The costs of the CDs (pressed or not) should not be an issue if you sell them? [20:06] JanC: it's hard to tell if it would be an issue or not. I certainly couldn't afford to send them 200 CDs out of pocket and I don't think they'd take kindly to 'burn your own' or 'here are a bunch of ones I've burned for you' [20:07] JanC: and it's unclear to me how that would be handled now that there's no ship-it [20:07] Pendulum: in the past you didn't need to be an approved locoteam (or a locoteam at all) to get CDs for conferences [20:08] JanC: right. but that's what's changed. So what would I tell the Gnome A11y people? (who came to be as A11y lead, not because I was part of a loco) [20:08] but you're right about the way to contact them [20:08] *me [20:08] there is no clearity at all to me on how conferences will be handled [20:08] *clarity [20:08] sorry, hand fail day means my typing is bad [20:09] As I gathered from Jono's blog entry, events and conferences will still get CD's, right? [20:10] They just got rid of the: "Hi, I'm Joe, send me 400 CD's, I'll be using them as coasters." [20:10] sort of things. [20:10] BigWhale, only approved AFAIK [20:10] We try to ship our french live CDs everywhere in the world, perhaps other common langage loco teams are doing the same, for locoteams and gull we sell them with a lower price, only to pay the fabrication cost [20:10] BigWhale: approved locos can get them. I got confused past that. [20:16] YoBoY: and you sell nice metal case badges to other locoteams too! ☺ [20:16] ;) [20:16] people seem happy to pay for those, even if there are free ones too ;) [20:17] What? People are making profit from open source?? Unpossible! ;> [20:17] BigWhale, wrong [20:17] btw we plan to produce stickers this month, with no team reference on them, I'll send a mail to the ML to see if other teams want to participate when we will ready [20:17] BigWhale: "profit" is a big word, locoteam income goes back to promoting Ubuntu ☺ [20:18] I'm kidding. :) [20:19] making money is a necessity to be able to promote correctly Ubuntu [20:19] the items provided by canonical are great, but it's not enough [20:20] I am quite active in our LUG, I know how things go. However, we were accused of making profit from open source by some people. :) [20:20] I like to make fun out of it. [20:21] I am writing this from Unity 2D :) [20:21] 11.04 is great so far [20:21] BigWhale, show them this ---> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html :D [20:21] BigWhale: stupid people are in every places ;) [20:22] leogg, I did. I had few talks about money and open source. Some people just don't (want to) get it. [20:23] BigWhale, http://www.techcast.com/events/cebit11/mi03/ [20:23] :D [20:23] YoBoY, I prefer to call them, "those that are on the lower plane of reality". :> [20:25] UndiFineD, Nice. Jon's talks are always interesting. [20:25] I watched it 2 times, shame those managers had no questions [20:25] BigWhale: well we are evil here and we have our own online store ;) [20:38] ah, maddog ☺ [20:39] Maddog is fun. :) [20:39] he's a good story teller, so he can capture his public [20:40] and he doesn't wear disk platters on his head. :> [20:53] with the drop of shipit, is there any way for local linux users groups (not specifically ubuntu user groups) to still get CDs? [20:55] Thirtysixway: ask your LoCo to submit a request is probably the easiest way I can think of [20:56] okay i'll try that if we decide we want to distribute discs. thanks [20:57] no the cds will be for approved locos only [20:58] czajkowski: if the loco were doing a presentation at a lug event I thought that might work out, I was hoping to have more discussion before they left. [20:58] * UndiFineD hands laura some batteries for the remote [20:59] depends on the team, but in california I'll send up to 5 CDs to anyone who asks (more if they have an event and we have the spare CDs), lug or not, loco member or not [21:00] ot'll depend on if the team has them spare or what ever wya they give them out tbh, but only the approved teams will be able to request them [21:00] anyone == anyone in the state [21:02] pleia2: we just do a mailout, our rural areas are mainly still on dialup so we offer to post burnt copies out for free and have people donate the CDs and postage. [21:03] * pleia2 nods === elav_ is now known as elav [21:38] * AlanBell has filled out the form for the Natty CDs