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head_victimSo anyone else here for the Asia & Oceania Region Membership Board meeting?11:13
TeTeThead_victim: I'd be here for membership application, but going to lunch now11:18
head_victimTeTeT: Ah ok, I'm an applicant as well11:18
Pendulumelky: lifeless freeflyi1g: you have people here for the membership meeting?11:26
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head_victimPendulum & TeTeT not looking likely.11:43
Pendulumhead_victim: yeah, I'm sorry about that, not sure what happened (I'm not here for the meeting, just was poking board members to see if any would respond)11:49
head_victimPendulum: it's ok there is always next month just this one happened to line up nicely with a day off from work11:50
Pendulumhead_victim: I don't know what time zone you're in, but you can also put your name on the lists for the EMEA and Americas boards11:50
head_victim+1011:50
Pendulumhead_victim: you might want to look and decide if you can make it to the next meeting for either https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas11:52
Pendulum(you're not required to go for membership to your local RMB, just usually it's easier for people to do so)11:53
head_victimHmm I could wake up tomorrow morning for the EMEA11:55
head_victimThanks for the options, I'll just work in whatever ends up suiting the best around my shifts.11:56
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zulgday16:57
smbvning16:57
jamespageo/16:58
Davieyo/17:00
kirklando/17:01
robbiewo/17:01
SpamapSoOoOoOo17:01
jamespageo/ (again)17:01
hallyn\o17:01
jamespageOK so lets make a start17:01
jamespage#startmeeting17:01
MootBotMeeting started at 11:01. The chair is jamespage.17:01
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]17:01
jamespage[TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting17:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting17:02
jamespageDaviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred, carry over)17:02
DavieyOkay, i briefly spoke with dpm17:02
jamespageAny progress on this one Daviey?17:02
smosero/17:02
DavieyIt seems something to table for the next cycle.17:02
Daviey(until the next cycle)17:02
jamespageOK; so is that going to need a UDS topic?17:03
SpamapSDaviey: was there any mention of the greater problem of nobody actually working on the server guide this cycle? :-/17:03
Davieyjamespage, yes17:03
DavieySpamapS, what you said + s/server guide/docs/17:03
DavieyThe whole platform docs are lacking this cycle.17:04
SpamapSDaviey: *ouch*17:04
DavieyAs in, there currently isn't really any activity this cycle.17:04
jamespage[ACTION] Daviey to submit UDS-O topic for translations and docs17:06
MootBotACTION received:  Daviey to submit UDS-O topic for translations and docs17:06
DavieyTa17:06
jamespageNext: Daviey to post another followup one euca-dhcp bug. (carry over)17:06
jamespageDaviey?17:11
jamespageHmmm; might need to come back to that one17:11
jamespageSpamapS : to put his version of ubuntuserver-minutes in directions for writing minutes17:11
SpamapSDone 2 weeks ago, its in the comments of the meeting page.17:11
jamespageRight-oh looks like the actions might not quite be right - I'll take it off.17:11
SpamapSno I skipped last week ;)17:11
SpamapSit was a carry over17:11
Davieyjamespage, It is making it progress..17:14
DavieyIt looks fixed, but requires verification17:15
Daviey..17:15
jamespageOK - do you need any action from this team? I'm happy to have a go at testing it17:15
Davieyjamespage, testing is MUCHLY appreciated17:15
DavieyThere is a known upgrade issue, which is currently being worked on17:15
Davieybut fresh install testing would be really beneficial17:15
jamespage[ACTION] jamespage to helpout with verification of euca-dhcp bug17:16
MootBotACTION received:  jamespage to helpout with verification of euca-dhcp bug17:16
Davieythanks!17:16
jamespageNext: ALL: Please review the current documentation (for Natty release)17:16
DavieyEuca is currently looking adequate.17:16
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jamespageAnyone else managed to find some time to review docs?17:16
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jamespageWell I know that I've not managed to; suggest that we carry that action17:16
hallynjamespage: once again, for the minutes, a link?17:16
SpamapSjamespage: I did but I can't figure out how to *fix* problems.17:16
SpamapSthe server guide is no longer in the ubuntu-docs package.. not sure where exactly it lives17:16
* SpamapS must end this line of speaking because compiz has just eaten itself... 17:17
jamespagehallyn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting (follow link at bottom of page)17:17
jamespageSo can anyone enlighten us on how to fix documentation issues?17:17
zulit got removed into a pdf didnt it/17:17
SpamapSwell it has a bzr tree somewhere17:18
SpamapSzul: pdf + html17:18
SpamapSits all in docbook.. somewhere. :-P17:18
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zulSpamapS: *cough* https://code.launchpad.net/~asommer/ubuntu-docs/serverguide17:19
Davieyerm17:19
Davieythat isn't the main location... is it?!17:19
Davieyhttps://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/natty17:19
zulhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs maybe?17:19
zuli dunno maybe we need to fire off an email to asommer then17:20
SpamapSDaviey: where did you find that?17:21
jamespageWell it seems like there is some confusion; I'll pickup and action to try and find out...17:21
jamespage[ACTION] jamespage to discover process/location for fixing ubuntu server documentation17:22
MootBotACTION received:  jamespage to discover process/location for fixing ubuntu server documentation17:22
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* jamespage thinks I might be a glutton for punishment but hey-ho17:22
jamespageDaviey to talk with docs team about new submissions (New documentation for cluster stack)17:22
jamespageseems to all be about documentation this week Daviey17:23
DavieyThat made no progress due to lack of activity17:23
SpamapSThat does look like the bit I was looking for tho, so thanks. :)17:23
DavieyThis shares the same action as UDS-O session17:23
jamespageOK; so thats last weeks actions...17:23
Daviey\o/17:23
jamespage[TOPIC] Natty Development17:23
MootBotNew Topic:  Natty Development17:23
robbiewshould be no "development"...just bug fixing ;)17:24
zuldang it17:24
Davieyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=server-nrs17:25
DavieyEssentially, we are looking pretty good.17:26
smoseri have a probably bad question to ask . bug 726572 and bug 72720017:26
hallynzul: isn't bug 742770 fixed as of your upload yesterday?17:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 726572 in cloud-initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "[MIR] cloud-initramfs-tools" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72657217:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 727200 in lxc (Ubuntu Natty) "[MIR] lxcguest in main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72720017:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 742770 in lxc (Ubuntu) "Erorr in syntax in ubuntu templates" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74277017:26
smoserare both MIR17:26
zulhallyn: it should17:27
Davieyhttp://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html17:28
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html17:28
jamespageOK; next topic is...17:36
jamespage[TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events17:36
MootBotNew Topic:  Ubuntu Server Team Events17:36
SpamapSApr. 13,14 I will be at the MySQL Users' Conference in Santa Clara, CA17:36
SpamapSSpeaking on the 13th about how Natty is the best platform for trying out Drizzle. :)17:36
jamespageGood luch SpamapS - hope if goes well :-)17:37
jamespageI'll be attending puppet camp europe on the 28/29 April in Amsterdam17:37
SpamapSYeah I should probably start on my slides. :)17:37
jamespagezul: are you attending the openstack summit?17:37
SpamapSI wonder if I should pop up and crash the openstack summit for 1 day. :)17:37
smoserjamespage, at previous puppet camp, we ran an awstrial for them17:37
zulApr 25 - 29 I will be at the Openstack summit i santa clara, CA17:37
smoserit went over pretty well, and we're more mature in some respects.. we may want to offer that to them again.17:37
SpamapSDefinitely get in contact with puppetlabs now so we can be more prepared.17:38
jamespagesmoser: OK suggest we pick that up separately - I'll ping you directly and we can take it from there17:38
SpamapSWould be extremely cool if it were an awstrial backed by UEC. :)17:38
SpamapSthen again, that might require 4 or 5 NC's ;)17:38
jamespage[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)17:38
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)17:38
jamespagehggdh: over to you17:39
hggdhk17:39
hggdhstill trying to find the culprit on bug 74675117:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 746751 in linux (Ubuntu) "kernel: [Firmware Bug]: the BIOS has corrupted hw-PMU resources (MSR 38d is 30)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74675117:39
smoserfor what its worth, awstrial could be backed by UEC. but its not useful.17:39
hggdhpretty much all my time has been dedicated to this and kernel sru testing this week17:39
hggdhand it is not helping much that I am getting extremely weird results on local KVM testing17:40
hggdh..17:40
hallynhggdh: weird?17:41
hallynhggdh: the bug report suggests that kvm by hand is fine?17:41
hggdhhallyn: on the kernel SRU tests -- I get security failures, compiler stracktraces, the whole 9 yards17:42
jjohansenhggdh: ?17:42
jjohansenoh right17:42
hallynhggdh: jinkeys!  I've not seen any of that17:42
hggdhhallyn: I am currently running a lucid image copied over, and no issues so far17:42
hggdhthe same lucid image barfs in many different and instructive ways on my laptop17:42
jjohansenhggdh: faulty hardware?17:43
hallynwell jdstrand had some bad kvm results too, but we never were able to figure it out17:43
hggdhjjohansen: it might -- I am also seeing now what seems to be wireless errors17:43
hallynhggdh: is htere an open bug for that?17:43
hallyn(so we can take this out of the meeting :)17:44
jamespageOK so we do need to push on;17:44
jamespage[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)17:44
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)17:44
hggdhhallyn: we can talk after the meeting17:44
smbHi17:44
hallynhggdh: ok17:44
smbSo some time was spend on bug 63448717:45
* jdstrand needs to bisect that still...17:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 634487 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "t1.micro instance hangs when installing java" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63448717:45
smbThough unfortunately or fortunately all is good with latest natty on my centos 5.5 + xen 3.4.317:45
smbbut not on ec2 which is centos 5.0 + xen 3.1.something.17:46
Davieysmb, is 634487 likely to be resolved this cycle?17:46
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smbTried a centos 5.0 install this week but was set back by the slight difference of yum upgrade to apt-get upgrade17:46
smbDaviey, If amazon upgrade... yes17:47
smbOtherwise I still have no clue what happens because I cannot look outside17:47
smbDaviey, The bug seems to be some interaction between xen hypervisor and the kernel. And it looks like newer Xen works17:48
jjohansenright, I find it unlikely this one can be resolved17:48
smbI guess the interesting part of natty failing is that this contains the 3 patches fiddling around with the interrrupt types used17:49
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smbWhich is iirc the changes we get asked to get for that problem...17:50
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jamespagesmb: anything else from the kernel team? or any questions for smb?17:51
smbOn a sidenote I would have a patch now to make Hardy move to edge interrupts and the lucid updates just have hit the point of making them fasteoi...17:51
Davieysmb, thanks!17:51
* smb waits for questions17:51
smoserno questions, but comment to others17:52
smbOh one thing17:52
smoserjjohansen, wrote to mailing list asking for feedback17:52
smoserGIVE HIM SOME17:52
jjohansenhehe, thanks smoser17:52
smbHas anybody exxperinece with using generic kernels under RHEL HVM?17:52
smoser"generic kernels"17:52
smoseras in kernel.org ?17:52
smbIOW 10.04 but not the ec2 kernel17:53
smbSo lucid-generic17:53
smosersmb, well we know it doesnt work17:53
Davieyjjohansen, How is your list of wishes coming on?17:53
smbsmoser, Then who sold that to the German LVM customer?17:53
smoserand i may have a bit more info for you.17:54
smbsmoser, bug 75125317:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 751253 in linux (Ubuntu) "Many interrupts and slow disk I/O on Lucid xen guest" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75125317:54
jjohansenDaviey: slowly, the two big ones are still xen dom0 and containers17:54
Davieyjjohansen, oh joy17:54
smosersmb, there was a thread on ubuntu-cloud about lucid hvm.  i built a daily image to just see what would happen. i reported there what was wrong17:54
smbsmoser, Hm, maybe I could chicken out of looking at that bug report and let you reply...17:55
jamespageOK guys - we are running a little short on time; smoser, smb can you pick that issue up separately17:55
jamespageplease :-)17:55
smoserthread at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-cloud/2011-March/000577.html17:55
smbok ok. :)17:55
jamespage[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)17:55
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)17:55
jamespageGuess that we have already discussed docs to death this week.17:56
jamespage[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community17:56
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community17:56
jamespageSo anything from the community this week?17:56
jamespageOkay so moving on...17:57
jamespage[TOPIC] Open Discussion17:57
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Discussion17:57
jamespageAnything else anyone wants to raise?17:57
DavieyMore ideas for blueprints for next UDS please17:57
Daviey(See ubuntu-server mailing list for inspiration)17:57
SpamapSI liked the wiki page last time17:58
Davieyor ping one of us.  thanks17:58
SpamapSShould we start collecting in a wiki page or just go right to blueprint?17:58
DavieySpamapS, I think hold fire for this week...17:58
Davieylets collate more ideas.17:58
DavieyAlthough, talking of which...17:58
SpamapSAlright, I have a few that I'll be mailing about this week.17:58
Davieyconsidering the activity of the mysql alternatives thread, expected some more input on the comparision wikipage17:58
Davieyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase/FeatureComparison/MySQL17:59
Davieyand perhaps a similar thing, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase/FeatureComparison/NetworkMonitoring17:59
jamespageAnd finally....17:59
DavieyCurrently there seems to be no compelling reason for us to look at anything other than mysql IMO.17:59
Daviey..18:00
jamespage[TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time18:00
MootBotNew Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time18:00
jamespageTuesday, April 12th 2011 16:00 UTC - see you all then :-)18:00
jamespage#endmeeting18:00
MootBotMeeting finished at 12:00.18:00
bjf#startmeeting18:00
MootBotMeeting started at 12:00. The chair is bjf.18:00
SpamapSnice, right on the nose ;)18:00
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]18:00
bjf##18:00
bjf## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.18:00
bjf##18:00
bjf[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting18:00
bjf[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty18:00
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting18:00
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty18:00
bjf# Meeting Etiquette18:01
bjf#18:01
bjf# NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.18:01
bjf#       'o/' indicates you have something you'd like to add (wait until you are recognized)18:01
bjf#18:01
bjf[TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo)18:01
MootBotNew Topic:  Release Metrics (JFo)18:01
JFoRelease Meeting Bugs (6 bugs, 8 Blueprints)18:01
JFo==== Beta 2 Milestoned Bugs (64 across all packages (up 5)) ====18:01
JFo * 2 linux kernel bugs (down 2)18:01
JFo * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)18:01
JFo * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)18:01
JFo==== Release Targeted Bugs (272 across all packages (down 2)) ====18:01
JFo * 27 linux kernel bugs (up 5)18:01
JFo * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)18:01
JFo * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)18:01
JFo==== Milestoned Features ====18:01
JFo * 6 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints)18:01
JFo==== Maverick Updates Bugs ====18:01
JFochanged to only reflect linux package bugs18:01
JFo * 6 Linux Bugs18:01
JFo==== Lucid Updates Bugs ====18:01
JFochanged to only reflect linux package bugs18:01
JFo * 15 Linux Bugs18:01
JFo==== Bugs with Patches Attached:87 (up 3) ====18:01
JFo * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]]18:01
JFo * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]]18:01
JFo..18:01
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo)18:01
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling18:01
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo)18:01
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling18:02
JFo* My plan for these is to have this blueprint completed prior to the release of Beta 2.18:02
JFoAs such, it is a high priority for me and I will be focusing on those items that are still18:02
JFooutstanding for this week.18:02
JFo..18:02
bjf[TOPIC] Status: General Natty (apw / ogasawara)18:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Status: General Natty (apw / ogasawara)18:02
ogasawaraLast week we uploaded the 2.6.38-8.40 kernel which is based on the latest upstream stable v2.6.38.2.  As Kernel Freeze is April 14, I plan to do another upload today for the patches queued in master-next and then a final upload before kernel freeze on Mon April 11 so that our builds are complete by the 14th.  After kernel freeze we will transition to our SRU policy when submitting and accepting patches.  See:18:02
ogasawara[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelUpdates and18:02
ogasawara[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/StablePatchFormat18:02
ogasawaraAny uploads beyond kernel freeze will likely have to resolve a critical issue, otherwise, it'll have to wait for the first round of SRU's.18:02
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelUpdates and18:02
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/StablePatchFormat18:02
ogasawara..18:02
bjf[TOPIC] Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf)18:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf)18:02
bjf||18:03
bjf|| Last week we completed the Verification phase of the current cycle and entered the Testing Phase.18:03
bjf|| When testing is completed, the packages can be published.18:03
bjf||18:03
bjf|| This has the next upload to proposed and the start of the next cycle to be on 4/29.18:03
bjf||18:03
bjf|| Since there are a lot of changes in the Maverick kernel from upstream stable patches, and because there18:03
bjf|| are people interested in verifying specific fixes, we will soon produce a kernel and upload it to -proposed18:03
bjf|| for Maverick. This is not on the schedule, and is not part of a normal kernel cycle. We will replce it18:03
bjf|| with a kernel containing additional fixes for th enext official cycle.18:03
bjf..18:03
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bjf[TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)18:03
MootBotNew Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)18:03
bjf|| Package                                    || Upd/Sec              || Proposed             ||  TiP || Verified ||18:03
bjf||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||18:03
bjf|| dapper   linux-source-2.6.15               || 2.6.15-57.94         || 2.6.15-57.95         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:03
bjf||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||18:03
bjf|| karmic   linux-ec2                         || 2.6.31-308.28        || 2.6.31-308.29        ||    1 ||        1 ||18:04
bjf|| ---      linux                             || 2.6.31-23.74         || 2.6.31-23.75         ||    1 ||        1 ||18:04
bjf||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||18:04
bjf|| lucid    linux-ec2                         || 2.6.32-314.27        || 2.6.32-315.28        ||    5 ||        5 ||18:04
bjf|| ---      linux-ports-meta                  || 2.6.32.30.23         || 2.6.32.31.23         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:04
bjf|| ---      linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick  || 2.6.35.25.36         || 2.6.35.28.37         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:04
bjf|| ---      linux-lts-backport-maverick       || 2.6.35-25.44~lucid1  || 2.6.35-28.50~lucid1  ||   13 ||       13 ||18:04
bjf|| ---      linux-backports-modules-2.6.32    || 2.6.32-30.29         || 2.6.32-31.31         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:04
bjf|| ---      linux-firmware                    || 1.34.4               || 1.34.7               ||    1 ||        1 ||18:04
bjf|| ---      linux                             || 2.6.32-30.59         || 2.6.32-31.60         ||    5 ||        5 ||18:04
bjf|| ---      linux-meta                        || 2.6.32.30.36         || 2.6.32.31.37         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:04
bjf|| ---      linux-meta-ec2                    || 2.6.32.314.15        || 2.6.32.315.16        ||    0 ||        0 ||18:04
bjf||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||18:04
bjf|| maverick linux-backports-modules-2.6.3518:04
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bjf[TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)18:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)18:04
JFoIncoming Bugs18:04
JFo 574 Natty Bugs (up 121)18:04
JFo 1252 Maverick Bugs (up 14)18:04
JFo 1061 Lucid Bugs (up 8)18:04
JFoCurrent regression stats (broken down by release):18:04
JFo==== regression-update ====18:04
JFo  * 46 maverick bugs (up 4)18:04
JFo  * 77 lucid bugs (up 1)18:04
JFo  * 6 karmic bugs (down 1)18:04
JFo  * 0 hardy bugs (no change)18:05
JFo==== regression-release ====18:05
JFo  * 287 natty bugs (up 70)18:05
JFo  * 246 maverick bugs (up 7)18:05
JFo  * 222 lucid bugs (no change)18:05
JFo  * 38 karmic bugs (no change)18:05
JFo  * 2 hardy bugs (no change)18:05
JFo==== regression-proposed ====18:05
JFo  * 15 natty bugs (up 5)18:05
JFo  * 0 maverick bugs (no change)18:05
JFo  * 0 lucid bugs (no change)18:05
JFo  * 0 karmic bug (no change)18:05
JFo..18:05
bjf[TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)18:05
MootBotNew Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)18:05
JFoMy effort last week was a bit different as I did not advertise the bug day in the same way I normally do. In this last case,18:05
JFoI directly pinged those parties that have provided the majority of the bug triage during our normally advertised bug days.18:05
JFoI also pressed those who continually ask me to review bugs (other than through the normal channels) to asist us in triaging18:05
JFothose bugs that they are bringing to my attention. It doesn't seem to have had the desired effect, so I'll be going back to18:05
JFothe e-mail and blog/tweet for advertisement of our bug days. The next bug day will be next Tuesday. We will be focusing on18:05
JForegression-release bugs in all status starting with the new state.18:05
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bjf[TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo)18:06
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JFoI didn't do much in the way of triage for the past week, nor did I interact heavily with our triagers due to the need to plan18:06
JFofor UDS a bit and to get my schedule in order for all of the tasks yet to do in this cycle. This week will likely be the same18:06
JFoas I will be working ot implement the plan and close out my remaining tasks while drafting blueprint information for the O UDS.18:06
JFo..18:06
bjf[TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)18:06
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kamalo/18:06
bjfkamal, go18:06
kamalthanks ogasawara for the ubuntu-oneiric.git repo ... the Oneiric 2.6.39 kernel builds and works great on Natty!18:07
kamal..18:07
ogasawara\o/18:07
ogasawaraI'll send an official email to the mailing list once I get the armel builds going18:07
ogasawara..18:07
bjfanything else ?18:07
JFoThank you for attending the JFo and bjf show... we hope you had a good time. Please tip your server.    :-P18:07
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bjfthanks everyone18:08
bjf#endmeeting18:08
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JFothanks bjf18:08
ppisati:)18:08
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kamalthanks bjf and JFo ... always a good show!18:08
* ogasawara wonders what bjf's record time is for these meetings18:08
JFo5 minutes18:08
kamalyeah, this one just dragged on and on by comparison to some of our recent meetings ;-)18:08
ogasawaraheh18:09
JFoit was because I was a bit long winded in my responses :-P18:09
ckingcan you get the meeting down to 5 mins next time?18:10
kamalI will only be impressed if bjf somehow figures out how to #startmeeting and #endmeeting in the same chat line18:11
jjohansenouch kamal I can see you are hard to please :)18:12
JFocking, I will do my best18:14
JFo:)18:14
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__rayray__hello18:37
StefandeVrieshi18:38
__rayray__testing out my vm box on Ubuntu through PC-BSD18:38
StefandeVriesI'm not sure this is the right channel for that, but I could well be mistaking18:39
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rafaellagunaBarry, are you there?20:06
UndiFineDhey rafaellaguna it is in an hour20:07
rafaellagunahi, Undie ;)20:07
rafaellagunanot now?20:07
UndiFineDnext hour20:08
UndiFineDgoogle messed up times again20:08
rafaellagunaLOL so I'll dinner a bit until that20:09
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leoquantzo20:59
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leoquantEMEA is 20:00 UTC?21:01
highvoltageyep21:01
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leoquanthi highvoltage21:02
* stgraber waves21:02
highvoltagegood evening leoquant21:02
ogra_moop21:02
popeyo/21:02
serfushello everybody21:02
UndiFineDo/21:02
barrydrakehi21:02
RawChidGoed evening21:02
rafaellagunahi there, guys!21:02
highvoltagewho's chairing today?21:03
czajkowskiAloha21:03
popeyI'd rather not, I'm doing CC directly after this21:03
highvoltageI think that there's a rule somewhere that says that people who say "Aloha" has to chair21:03
czajkowski#startmeeting21:03
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czajkowskiwho's here for the meeting :)21:03
* iulian waves.21:03
popeyo/21:03
* highvoltage o/21:03
popeyWelcome iulian !21:03
stgrabero/21:03
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA  tonights agenda21:03
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czajkowskiwe'll work our way though the list from top to bottom21:04
serfuso/21:04
charlie-tca__o/21:04
iulianCheers popey.21:04
aquariuso/21:04
czajkowski[topic] rafaellaguna21:04
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highvoltagefor those who aren't following the news, we welcome iulian today as a new EMEA RMB board member21:04
rafaellaguname :)21:04
ogra_welcome iulian !21:04
czajkowskirafaellaguna: care to tell us about yourself so please21:04
czajkowskiiulian: aloha21:04
UndiFineD\o/21:04
serfusgood luck with the board iulian21:04
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rafaellaguna21:04
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leoquant\o/ iulian21:04
iulianThanks. :)21:05
czajkowskirafaellaguna: are you here?21:05
rafaellagunawell, just a designe, but evolved with Ubuntu and Lubuntu21:05
rafaellagunadesigner21:05
rafaellagunacan you read me?21:05
stgraberyep21:05
popeyrafaellaguna: are all your contributions to lubuntu?21:05
rafaellagunapart. a bit was for the Catalan loco team (translating, advertising, public "exposure")21:06
highvoltagerafaellaguna: your wiki page doesn't seem to mention much ubuntu-specific work outside of lubuntu. which ubuntu work have you been involved in?21:06
rafaellagunathat was for Ubuntu21:06
highvoltage(sorry my IRC session was a bit slow there for a bit)21:06
rafaellagunaOh, and distributing and installing at children schools, musical masterclasses, etc21:07
rafaellaguna...spreading a bit...21:07
highvoltagerafaellaguna: you mention that you did the graphics work for the lubuntu website, but I notice that it still uses the old-style ubuntu theming: http://lubuntu.net/ - have you done any work on it recently?21:07
popeyrafaellaguna: I'm not seeing much documentation of what you've done specifically for Ubuntu?21:07
rafaellagunaIn Spain, Linux is not very known21:08
rafaellagunaWe're currently redesigning the site (not just the icons you can see)21:08
czajkowskireally? The catalan team is rather active21:08
highvoltagerafaellaguna: spreading ubuntu at schools is a great thing to do, that's something you should document on your wiki page for sure, and with details21:08
rafaellagunasure, I'll do, but I think it's what we all must do21:09
UndiFineDrafaellaguna, also is involved with #ubuntu-adverts21:09
rafaellagunathanks, UndiDineD, yes, I'm collaborating21:09
czajkowskirafaellaguna: just the work isn't documented clearly on the wiki, do you have anyone else here to vouch for you fro the advertising team or the catalan loco ?21:09
highvoltagein Andalusia Linux is quite big too21:09
rafaellagunaWe're planning to lauch flyers in Valencia for Installing Parties21:09
popeyi have no more questions21:10
czajkowskiI've no more questions21:10
* highvoltage neither21:10
iulianrafaellaguna: Sounds great.  I reckon you should probably get in touch with the ubuntu-es team for that.21:10
rafaellagunagreat!21:11
czajkowski[vote] please vote on the membership of rafaellaguna . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE.21:11
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highvoltage+0 [ Not enough documented contributions or feedback from known contributors ]21:11
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popey-1 I'd like to see more evidence of contributions to Ubuntu. if there are more contributions but they're not on the wiki, then the wiki page should be updated21:11
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* popey pokes stgraber iulian 21:12
* popey pokes ogra_ also :D21:12
ogra_+1  [ running the whole artwork for a distro alone and even making it look good is agood contribution even if its not directly to ubuntu ]21:12
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iulian-1 from me at the moment.  I would like to see more work done.21:12
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czajkowski#endvote21:12
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ogra_seems i stand alone with my opinion :)21:12
popeyalways the maverick ogra_21:13
ogra_heh21:13
popeyrafaellaguna: bad luck this time, keep going!21:13
czajkowskirafaellaguna: sorry at this time it appears you are not successful, please don't take this badly adn we look forward to seeing you back again with more of your work documented.21:13
czajkowski[topic] RawChid21:13
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rafaellagunaok, thank you very much21:13
highvoltagerafaellaguna: I suggest you document your non-artwork contributions on your wiki page. It would also be great to see some testimonials from the Lubuntu crowd.21:14
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RachidBM21:14
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czajkowskiRawChid: aloha, can you tell us about yourself please?21:14
RawChidHi there21:14
Ceeshi RawChid21:14
RawChidMy name is Rachid and I live in the Netherlands. I've used linux now and then from 2004, but since 2007 I'm really enthusiastic about Ubuntu.21:14
RawChidAt the moment I'm finalizing my Master thesis in Computer Science and work part time as Java and php programmer.21:14
RawChidMy plan is to continue my current activities for Ubuntu NL which you can find on my wiki.21:15
RawChidAnd in the long run I want to become more active in international teams. Most likely something with programming or packaging.21:15
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* highvoltage has no questions21:16
czajkowskiRawChid: impressive wiki :D21:16
UndiFineD\o/21:16
RawChidThank you21:16
iulianNo questions from me either.21:16
czajkowskiRawChid: so can you tell me, how are you involved in your loco ?21:17
popeyoooo21:17
RawChidSorry, what do you mean czajkowski?21:17
RawChidI'm doing some stuff with different teams of the loco...21:17
czajkowskiRawChid: the dutch loco ? are you involved in it ?21:17
RawChidYes,21:17
czajkowskiin what way ?21:18
highvoltageRawChid: the Log section on your wiki page mentions that you organised a local Jam before. I think czajkowski wants to hear more about those kind of things21:18
leoquantツ great guy +1 from me he one of the members who  activates loco initiatives21:18
RawChidWell, currently my focus is on finishing the last translations for NAtty with the Dutch Translators21:18
czajkowskigood translations are a great way to get ubuntu out there :)21:19
RawChidhighvoltage, sorry, me and Ronnie are organising a local Jam on April 16th21:19
czajkowskiRawChid: great to hear21:19
czajkowskiI've no more questions,.21:19
RawChidThat is a bit confusing21:19
czajkowskipopey: ogra_ highvoltage stgraber iulian any more questions?21:20
ogra_nope21:20
popeyno21:20
stgrabernope21:20
iulianNo.21:20
RonnieRawChid: is a great loco member, he is active in different parts of the loco (translating, documtation, forum and wiki), he also helped me with the forum thema21:20
popeythanks for the feedback Ronnie21:20
popeyand leoquant :)21:21
popeyer ツ21:21
leoquanthttp://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/community/mwanzo/Workshop21:21
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czajkowski[vote] please vote on the membership of RawChid. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE.21:21
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czajkowski+1 great work keep it up and welcome21:21
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highvoltage+1 [ Significant and sustained LoCo and translations involvement ]21:21
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popey+1 great work, keep on contributing!21:21
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iulian+1 nice work.  Well done.21:21
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czajkowskiwell done and welcome to RawChid21:22
charlie-tca__Congratulations, RawChid21:22
highvoltageRawChid: congratulations and welcome21:22
leoquant\o/21:22
RawChidWow, great thanks21:22
czajkowski[topic] serfus21:22
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Cees\o/21:22
Ronnie\o/21:22
RawChidI want to thank you, and especially my dear fellow Ubuntu NL members21:22
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/serfus21:22
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serfushowdy people21:22
UndiFineD\o/21:22
czajkowskiwow that;s a lot of colour on the wiki21:22
serfus:D21:22
popeyadded RawChid to ~ubuntumembers21:22
highvoltageserfus: is ICQ still big in Israel?21:22
serfushighvoltage, heh ya, it is21:23
highvoltageI thought it pretty much died everywhere already :)21:23
serfusmainly with younger people21:23
hajour_\o/ RawChid21:23
highvoltageah, and here I thought that young people today only use facebook chat. just shows you how out of touch I am already :)21:24
ogra_you old fart :P21:24
ogra_:)21:24
czajkowskiogra_: hello pot21:24
ogra_thats a lot of nice loco work on that wiki i'd say21:24
czajkowskiserfus: so you've involved in the loco, well done on the translations21:24
highvoltageserfus: tell me more about the beginners team. we have so many people from that team applying for membership and yet it's quite a mystery to me21:25
czajkowskiserfus: how if you got membership would you help your team , future plans??21:25
serfusyup, since i have been elected as the loco contact i haven't got much for translation but i am currently working on the LD21:25
czajkowskiLD ++  :d21:26
serfushighvoltage, i am not a part of the team, i only support on the IRC room21:26
czajkowskiserfus: why are you not part of the loco ?21:26
czajkowskisorry nm21:26
czajkowskimisread21:26
highvoltageserfus: what kind of work does the ubuntu-youth-council do?21:27
serfusat the ubuntu-youth team we try to make it easier for youths like us to start contribute to ubuntu21:27
serfuswe are acting as a social place for the younger crowd21:28
serfusand currently, we are starting a mentoring project21:28
iulianOh ubuntu-youth.  How is it doing?  There used to be a channel called #ubuntu-youth if I recall correctly.  Is it still active?21:29
serfusiulian, you are right. the project has died and revived a couple of times21:29
serfuswe are getting it moving again21:29
iulianAlrighty.  Sounds like a nice plan indeed.21:30
serfusi think we did well with getting the youths around, now we need to move froward and get more productive21:30
serfusbesides from being elected as the PoC of the Israeli loco, i am acting as sort of the leader21:31
highvoltageI'd like to see more about the ubuntu-youth team on the fridge and in general ubuntu news21:31
popeyi have no questions21:31
czajkowskiI have no further questions.21:31
* ogra_ neither21:31
highvoltagebut I also have no further questions21:31
serfushighvoltage, will do :-)21:32
czajkowski[vote] please vote on the membership of serfus. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE.21:32
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popey+0 I'd like to see a longer period of activity before a plus one. I would say come back in 3 months.21:33
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highvoltage+0 [ good involvement, but need to see a bit more depth with contributions ]21:34
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popeyserfus: keep contributing! would love to see you come back to us in a few months!21:34
czajkowskiserfus: at this time you've not been sucessful, please do come back but with more work documented.21:34
czajkowskikeep up the good work21:34
czajkowski[topic] UndiFineD21:34
highvoltageserfus: I was very tempted to give you a +1, but I think you just need to keep doing good things for a bit more, and be slightly more specific about your contributions on your wiki page21:34
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serfusokay, thanks folks21:34
UndiFineDhey hello everyone21:35
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UndiFineD21:35
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highvoltageserfus: and thanks for your good work so far!21:35
RawChid\o/21:35
Ronnie\o/21:35
ogra_geez, thats a lot of testimonials21:35
czajkowskiUndiFineD: you're up next,21:35
UndiFineDI am back again after 6 months like you told me to21:35
Thomas_de_Graaff\o/21:35
hajour_\o/21:36
highvoltagewhat is iana-etc?21:36
popeylots of very nice testimonials there21:36
UndiFineDI am not an etc21:36
UndiFineDit is in /etc21:36
UndiFineDand handles mime types21:36
czajkowskithat's an impressive wiki21:37
UndiFineDyeah wiki work I do that a lot21:37
czajkowskiUndiFineD: what have you found to be any barriers to your work in Ubuntu ?21:37
highvoltageyeah with testimonials from udienz, cprofitt, AlanBell, charlie-tca__ and Pendulum I'm fine on going on testimonials alone here21:38
UndiFineDhmmm, not many just finding people and knowledge21:38
hajour_mm i not new or i  was allowed to set a testimonial .because i am his girlfriend.but of the record he have helped a real lot whit speechcontrol21:38
popeyI have no questions.21:39
nikyr0xUndiFineD, why you use Windows 7 with KDE?21:39
czajkowskiogra_: stgraber iulian any questions ?21:39
stgrabernope21:39
* charlie-tca__ just wanted to say UndiFineD has done really good work with accessibility and beginners team both. We look forward to continuing to work with him.21:39
ogra_none at all21:39
PendulumI definitely support him based on his work with accessibility :)21:40
UndiFineDI dont understand nikyr0x comment I have now win7 nor kde21:40
popeythanks charlie-tca__ hajour_ Thomas_de_Graaff Ronnie RawChid and Pendulum for your cheers21:40
czajkowski[vote] please vote on the membership of UndiFineD . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE21:40
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iulianczajkowski: No questions from me.21:40
highvoltage+1 [ great feedback from well-known community members who have worked with him ]21:40
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czajkowski+1 easy well done :)21:40
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czajkowskiUndiFineD: well done and welcome21:40
barrydrakeCongratulations!!!21:40
charlie-tca__Congratulations, UndiFineD! You earned it.21:40
PendulumUndiFineD: congrats!21:41
* popey adds UndiFineD to ~ubuntumembers21:41
iulianWelcome UndiFineD.21:41
UndiFineDThanks to all whom I work with !21:41
Ronnie|o|21:41
highvoltageUndiFineD: congratulations and welcome21:41
rafaellagunagreat, UndiFineD! I'm happy for this21:41
paultag'grats UndiFineD !21:41
Thomas_de_GraaffGefeliciteerd!21:41
czajkowski[topic] barrydrake21:41
hajour_congratulations UndiFineD21:41
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JFocheers UndiFineD21:41
head_victimwd UndiFineD21:41
barrydrakeHi guys21:41
popeynice one UndiFineD, keep up the great work21:41
highvoltagehey there barrydrake21:41
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/b-drake21:41
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highvoltagebarrydrake: is that you in the photo?21:41
barrydrakeYep21:41
czajkowskibarrydrake: aloha and welcome, can you tell us about yourself21:41
barrydrakenot a lot other than I've put in the wiki and profile21:42
barrydrakejust to say that I'm passionate about Ubuntu21:42
czajkowskibarrydrake: so how did you get involved in Ubuntu ?21:42
popeyI have no questions.21:42
barrydrakeStarted using it for everything about a year ago, and began to get involved.  Love working on Ubuntu Adverts21:43
UndiFineDUbuntu-Adverts would not be where it is today without barry21:43
rafaellagunaFully agree21:43
rafaellagunaNot only graphically, but organizing the people21:43
highvoltagebarrydrake: I'm sorry to admit, but I've never heard or the ubuntu-adverts team before reading your wiki page. Could you tell me a bit more about it?21:44
barrydrakeYes - it's a fairly new team but we are all determined to tell the world (some of it anyway) about Ubuntu21:44
UndiFineDit is like a revival of the dead marketing team21:45
barrydrakehighvoltage - hey - come join us and find out for yourself21:46
czajkowskiogra_: stgraber highvoltage iulian popey any questions ?21:47
highvoltageI'm good czajkowski21:48
popey21:42:38 < popey> I have no questions.21:48
stgrabernope, was just looking at the very very long list of ubuntu-advertising team members on LP :)21:48
* ogra_ neither21:48
iulianSorry, I was reading some of the ubuntu-adverts meeting logs.21:48
iulianNo questions.21:48
stgraber136 members, that's a lot of people21:48
czajkowski[vote] please vote on the membership of barrydrake . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE.21:48
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ogra_stgraber, for a team that successfully hides from highvoltage !21:49
highvoltageheh21:49
popey-1 - I appreciate the work you do in UK and -adverts, but I'd like to see a more significant sustained set of work to measure, maybe in 3 months or so.21:49
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czajkowski-1 I'd like to see you come back in a few more months time with more work documented.21:50
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highvoltage+0 [ good work and half-way there, just need to work on the 'sustained' part ]21:50
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czajkowskibarrydrake: at this time you've been unsucessful, please do come back again though21:50
barrydrakeThat's OK - I'll come back in a while - thanks21:50
popeythanks barrydrake !21:51
czajkowski[topic] Claudinux21:51
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Claudinuxhi there21:51
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClaudioArseni21:51
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czajkowskiClaudinux: aloha21:51
Claudinuxhi czajkowski21:51
popeynice testimonials there, from Luca and Paolo21:51
Claudinuxpopey,  :-)21:52
czajkowskinice page :)21:52
Claudinuxthank you czajkowski21:52
czajkowskiClaudinux: how did you get involved in the Ubuntu it loco ?21:52
popeyhttps://translations.launchpad.net/~claudio.arseni/+activity  nice chunk of translations there21:53
highvoltageClaudinux: what does the italian testing team do? iso testing and stuff with the QA team?21:53
Claudinuxczajkowski, ezpaecially in translations21:53
popeyhighvoltage: I've met the guys from the italian testing team at UDS, they do amazing work.21:54
Claudinuxhighvoltage, yes21:54
czajkowskiI've no more questions21:54
popeyhttp://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoTest21:54
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charlie-tca__Italian testing team does track most of the laptop testing, I believe.21:54
highvoltageNo further questions21:54
Claudinuxyes charlie-tca__ it's true21:54
popeyhttp://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoTest/Casi/Svolti   <--21:55
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popeyi have no further questions21:55
* iulian has no questions.21:55
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czajkowski[vote] please vote on the membership of Claudinux. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE.21:55
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czajkowski+1 EXCELLENT WORK21:55
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highvoltage+1 [ doing much-needed testing, translations and otherwise LoCo involvement ]21:56
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popey+1 for great translations and awesome work with ISO testing!21:56
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iulian+1 great work!21:56
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stgraber+1 It's for QA, translations and loco involvment21:56
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popey\o/ nice one Claudinux21:56
Claudinuxuh, thanks all21:56
czajkowskiClaudinux: welcome aboard!21:56
Claudinux:-D21:56
charlie-tca__Congratulations, Claudinux. Keep up the great work!21:56
* warp10 hugs Claudinux21:56
highvoltagecongratulations and welcome Claudinux21:56
czajkowski[topic] aquarius21:56
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* popey adds Claudinux to ~ubuntumembers21:56
iulianCongratulations Claudinux and welcome aboard.21:56
warp10Claudinux: Bella zio! \o/21:56
popeytime is running out21:56
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StuartLangridge21:56
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Claudinuxwarp10, \o/21:57
JFo\o/ I didn't have the time necessary to give aquarius a proper recommendation, but I'd like to heartily endorse his candidacy here. :-)21:57
popeyCC meeting coming up, no time for this aquarius chancer21:57
popey;)21:57
czajkowskilol21:57
Claudinuxthanks folks :-)21:57
czajkowskiaquarius: up fast21:57
JFocongrats Claudinux21:57
cjwatsonreload aquarius' page; I just added another late-breaking testimonial :-)21:57
czajkowskiaquarius: oi oi21:57
Claudinuxthanks JFo21:57
JFoah hah! you had it locked cjwatson ;-)21:57
aquariusHi, I'm Stuart, and I'm in the UK. I've been an Ubuntu user since the first warty release, and I've frequently given talks about Ubuntu and cool things that can be done with it, as well as hacking myself!21:57
aquarius(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StuartLangridge lists some talks that I gave for Ubuntu-specific developer weeks and open weeks about rhythmbox, desktopcouch, and other things)21:57
popeyI have no questions for aquarius21:57
Pendulumcjwatson: because he didn't already have enough awesome testimonials? ;-)21:57
aquariusthanks JFo and cjwatson ;)21:58
ogra_wow, so many cheerleaders here21:58
iulianNo questions from me either.  Ready to vote.21:58
cjwatsonI've rarely found additional ones to hurt21:58
aquariuskenvandine is also prepared to testify, I believe, if required21:58
* stgraber is ready to vote21:58
JFovery welcome aquarius21:58
* kenvandine can't say enough cool stuff about aquarius21:58
czajkowskiI think based on the testimonials and the cheering folks here, I've no questions.21:58
* popey is ready to vote21:58
* ogra_ is ready to vote 21:58
czajkowski[vote] please vote on the membership of aquarius . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE.21:58
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czajkowski+1 EXCELLENT WORK21:59
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iulian+1 definitely21:59
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highvoltageI didn't even have a chance to finish typing my questions, I'm abstaining21:59
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czajkowskiaquarius: well done and welcome aboard21:59
charlie-tca__Congratulations, aquarius21:59
Pendulumaquarius: congrats!21:59
ogra_congrats aquarius21:59
iulianCongrats aquarius.21:59
JFocongrats aquarius !!21:59
JFo\o\  /o/  \o\  /o/21:59
popeysorry highvoltage21:59
aquariushighvoltage, I'm happy to have a private conversation to help fill in some details?21:59
czajkowskipopey: do we have time for the last one or is the CC ready to go this second ?21:59
highvoltageaquarius: congratulations and welcome anyway :)22:00
aquariusYou are all most kind. Thank you. I hope I do you justice.22:00
kenvandineaquarius, thanks for being awesome, proud to have you as a member :)22:00
* popey adds an extra ginger to ~ubuntumembers22:00
aquarius:-)22:00
m4n1shaquarius: congrats!22:00
iulianHeh.22:00
popeyczajkowski: go for it22:00
sabdflcongrats aquarius22:00
czajkowski[topic] TeTeT22:00
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jderosewoot! aquarius!22:01
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TorstenSpindler22:01
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aquariusthanks, sabdfl, jderose, m4n1sh. I appreciate your support :)22:01
sabdfli just showed up in time for the applause :-)22:01
TeTeTHi all, unlike my well prepared colleague aquarius I don't have any fancy testimonials on my wiki page22:01
JFosabdfl, better late than never ;)22:01
sabdfla familiar refrain :-)22:02
JFoindeed22:02
highvoltageTeTeT: what's your Launchpad ID?22:02
czajkowskiTeTeT: so can you tell us a bit about your work please?22:02
TeTeTI added myself late to the EMEA wiki as I intended to apply during the Asian meeting, but there was noone there this morning22:02
JFousually said to me though :-P22:02
popeyTeTeT: if you want to postpone and come back at the next meeting when you have more testimonials, we'd be happy with that :D22:02
czajkowskiTeTeT: sorry about that, welcome to our meeting :)n22:03
TeTeThighvoltage: tspindler22:03
iulianhighvoltage: https://launchpad.net/~tspindler22:03
TeTeTI support Ubuntu since 2006 and work for Canonical since then22:03
popeyI am aware of TeTeT's work, so have no questions.22:03
* ogra_ knows TeTeT since years and also knows his countelss hours he put into promoting ubuntu professionally22:03
TeTeTI filed quite a number of bugs, triaged some (mostly apt related lately) and fixed a few22:03
ogra_no questions from me22:03
nikyr0xTeTeT: What do you think about this new Windows 8's ribbon thing?22:03
TeTeTfor the community the biggest chunk was probably the ubuntu desktop course22:03
TeTeThttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-course22:04
TeTeTnikyr0x: I don't know anything about it I fear22:04
TeTeTbut as the desktop course is based on 8.04, it's a bit old by now22:04
highvoltageTeTeT: do you do any Ubuntu work outside of what's part of your Canonical job?22:04
TeTeTso I moved on to the new big things and UEC22:04
czajkowskistgraber: iulian comments?22:04
TeTeThighvoltage: yes, I do a fair bit of apt bug triaging during weekends22:04
stgrabernope22:04
iulianNo, good to go.22:05
TeTeTalso I tend to work on UEC stuff like the uec scheduler for testing, https://code.launchpad.net/~tspindler/junk/uec-scheduler22:05
TeTeTand with smoser we recently started uec persistency, which I presented during the ubuntu cloud days22:05
highvoltageI have no other questions22:06
czajkowski[vote] please vote on the membership of TeTeT. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE.22:06
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highvoltage+1 [ Training, support and bug triagins efforts ]22:06
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czajkowskihmm we have a tie22:06
popeyhrm.22:07
czajkowskiand we're missing drubin22:07
highvoltagethat's not a tie, that's a+322:07
highvoltagea +3, even22:07
ogra_yeah22:07
czajkowskiwe need a 3 +1 as we now have 7 on the board.22:07
IdleOneI motion for sabdfl to be a deciding vote22:07
ogra_heh22:07
popeyhah22:07
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popeywas wondering who would be first to suggest that :)22:07
* highvoltage looks up our charter just to be sure if we have something written about this22:07
sabdflwell22:07
iulianHmm.22:08
IdleOnedon't know if that is allowed or not but seems like a good idea to me22:08
sabdfltorsten has done a huge amount of amazing work getting ubuntu to star in some surprising places22:08
ogra_++22:08
popeylet down by a hastily prepped wiki page?22:08
sabdflwe are very clear with canonical folks, that they should aspire to ubuntu membership, but it's about participation and contribution to ubuntu, not canonical22:08
TeTeTif you need an updated wiki page I can come back in a month or two and try again, no big issue for me22:09
sabdflin this case, i would happily +1 TeTeT, but i think if he came back with a better wiki page documenting what he's already done22:09
sabdflit wouldn't need a bdfl22:09
popeygreat22:09
sabdflTeTeT: that ok by you?22:09
highvoltagesabdfl: so would that be a +1 or +0 from you?22:09
stgraberIf it was possible I'd have voted +0.5 because of the wiki page, I'm fine switching it to a +1 if that helps22:09
popeyi dont think sabdfl is suggesting he votes22:09
sabdfldefinitely +1 but i think TeTeT might want to come back and take care of this himself?22:09
popeyTeTeT has offered to edit the page, come back next month, should be a breeze.22:10
TeTeTsabdfl: fine for me22:10
popeysounds like a plan to me22:10
highvoltageok, that sounds good22:10
czajkowskiI think if he comes back with a more detailed wiki page with testiminoals like other wiki pages I'd change my vote22:10
sabdflawesome, and from me, thanks for all you've done22:10
czajkowski[endvote]22:10
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sabdflmajic!22:10
TeTeTfair enough, thanks22:10
popeywe have one last late entrant22:10
czajkowskiTeTeT: please do come back again with testimonals on your wiki page :)22:10
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TeTeTsabdfl: thanks :)22:10
popeywho arrived on the list because the AsiaPac board failed to meet22:10
* iulian refreshes the page.22:11
* head_victim did22:11
popeyI realise we're already eating into cc time, can we still continue?22:11
czajkowskipopey: sabdfl do we have time for one last one ??22:11
head_victimSorry for that :/ Wasn't sure I'd be awake in time for this meeting so only added at last minute.22:11
* sabdfl checks the CC agenda22:11
popeymind the tumbleweed22:11
sabdflgo for it :-)22:12
czajkowski[topic] head_victim22:12
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pleia2the agenda hasn't been updated with the items dholbach suggested this morning22:12
paultago/22:12
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris22:12
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head_victimThank you for considering me22:12
highvoltagehead_victim: I find your local self-supported shipit interesting, how did you do it?22:12
czajkowskihead_victim: aloha care to tell us about yourself22:12
ogra_wow, a local shipit !22:12
popeypleia2: do you have a moment to add them as we deal with head_victim ?22:12
head_victimhighvoltage: posted burnt copies to people free of charge.22:12
pleia2popey: working through the list now22:12
popeythanks pleia222:13
head_victimI asked for volunteers to help post and I ask for recipients to request them.22:13
highvoltagehead_victim: there's more responsibilies on loco teams now for distributing CD's, so it would be great if you could share information about it22:13
czajkowskiimpressive wiki page and lots of testimonials :D22:13
head_victimhighvoltage: I lined up people and organised it that way so the cost of postage wasn't all on one persons head22:13
iulianHm, indeed.22:13
paultagI cheer for head_victim -- I'd like to advocate head_victim in every way I can. I feel that he is everything and Ubuntu Member should be, and really raises the bar in a way I don't often see. head_victim is outstandingly nice and overly helpful. His work in the Ubuntu Beginners Team is commendable, and very consistent. I have zero qualms with changing head_victim's email in my contact book to @ubuntu.com, that's for sure. Please consider his22:13
head_victimI'm a wiki nerd sorry.22:13
popeythanks paultag !22:13
paultagproviding he posts up some info about the AU CD program, of course :)22:14
czajkowskihead_victim: no it's great!22:14
czajkowskiI've no questions, all the info is there :D22:14
ogra_++22:14
head_victimI try to be prepared for all occasions.22:14
* charlie-tca__ will say head_victim has done outstanding helping new people in #ubuntu-beginners and working on the wiki. 22:14
highvoltagepaultag: :)22:14
* stgraber is ready22:14
highvoltageI have no further questions22:14
highvoltage(and my lift is poking me)22:14
* iulian is ready to vote too.22:14
* popey is ready22:14
czajkowski[vote] please vote on the membership of head_victim . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE.22:14
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czajkowski+1 EASY22:15
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head_victimI'm more than happy to be contacted for details on a local shipit from anyone wanting more details.22:15
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czajkowskiwell done and welcome aboard22:15
highvoltage+1 [ great work and very good feedback from everyone he has worked with ]22:15
popey+1 awesome work and great testimonials. keep it up, and I want to see blog posts about the CD program on planet Ubuntu!22:15
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paultagThank ya'll so much for adding in head_victim to the docket so late :)22:15
czajkowski[endvote]22:15
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head_victimczajkowski: thank you, next approval I'm hoping to get is for the loco22:15
ogra_paultag, thank the CC22:15
highvoltagehead_victim: congratulations and welcome22:15
paultag'grats head_victim :)22:15
charlie-tca__Congratulations, head_victim. Keep up the great work for the community!22:15
czajkowskihead_victim: thanks well done !22:15
iulianCongratulations head_victim.22:15
UndiFineDcongratualtions head_victim22:15
paultagogra_: truth :)22:15
head_victimThank you all, sorry for the late notice22:15
czajkowski[endmeeting]22:15
czajkowskigrrrr22:15
czajkowskione day I'll remember!22:15
iulian:)22:15
* popey adds head_victim to ~ubuntumembers22:15
czajkowski#endmeeting22:15
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popey\o/22:15
highvoltageand thanks for the CC for letting us step into their time22:15
ogra_yeah22:16
popeythanks everyone!22:16
paultagthanks CC :)22:16
highvoltages/for the CC/to the CC/g22:16
iulianYup, appreciate it.22:16
sabdflwell done all22:16
czajkowskithank you to all that came! and the CC for being patient22:16
Pendulumhead_victim: congrats!22:16
czajkowskinot I'm going to have my dinner!22:16
czajkowski*now22:16
hajourwel deserved head_victim  you have helped me also often22:16
hajoursorry was a moment away22:16
popey#startmeeting22:16
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popeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda22:16
popeyWho's here for the CC meeting?22:17
* JFo lurks22:17
popeyI hear Technoviking is on flaky wifi22:17
sabdflo/22:17
pleia2o/22:17
pleia2work is going to drag me off in a few minutes though22:17
TechnovikingI'm on ethernet now, should be good22:17
popeywe're missing dholbach, mako, persia, mdke22:17
popey[TOPIC] Governance Boards (staffing, feedback/reports)22:18
sabdflethernet. sounds like medication ;-)22:18
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popeyover to you pleia222:18
pleia2so the first concern is the low number of nominees for our latest restaffing call for the regional boards22:18
pleia2any thoughts on how we can improve this? (anyone can reply, we need ideas!)22:19
popeypress gang people into doing it22:19
pleia2currently it's announced to a few mailing lists and posted to ubuntu-news22:19
pleia2hehe22:19
czajkowskiperhaps more info on what board people do? what it entails, kinda like a mini interview and get it translated22:19
ajmitchpopey: that certainly won't help with getting quorum for meetings :)22:19
popeymake it an obligation of membership :)22:19
czajkowskiI got a few pms asking what was needed and the times it is on at22:19
pleia2for reference, this is what our last call looked like: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2011-January/001245.html22:19
paultagI think encouraging "younger" ubuntu members to apply for these spots, a lot of people are fearful of applying to something they can full well handle22:20
paultagit's tough to keep picking from the oldest few percent22:20
ajmitchsome of it will be due to people unsure if they can commit to a time for ~2 years22:21
pleia2czajkowski: suggestions on what to add to such an announcement are quite welcome (it includes time and obligations, filling in what is missing would be great)22:21
czajkowskipleia2: time is a big issue, and perhaps it should be noted, that the time slot could be changed as well in order to get more people to take part.22:21
sabdflit's true, the equivalent responsibility fell on very young shoulders the first years of the project, there's only a requirement for good judgement and a commitment to the project, matched with a willingness to say know when it doesn't feel right22:21
sabdflshould we consider splitting the timezones differently?22:22
popeyI still think we should have one board22:22
popeyand replace people who don't turn up22:22
pleia2I think both the EMEA and Americas boards do ok time zone wise, I think APAC is a problem because it covers half the world22:22
czajkowskiI'm for replacing pepole who dont turn up22:22
czajkowskibut not one board22:22
pleia2I suggested to dholbach that we have a session to discuss this at UDS22:23
popeyif we can't find enough people to staff the three boards we currently have, I can't see us finding enough people to staff more boards (assuming APAC was split)22:23
popeymaybe we should give up on doing this over irc?22:24
pleia2we've tried doing this over mailing list and that thread got long and didn't go anywhere22:24
UndiFineDis this an invitation to apply ?22:24
pleia2oh, I mean this discussion :)22:24
czajkowskipleia2: we;ve found doing it via a bug for the LC re approvals and them making it public after it22:24
czajkowskiso we can poke people to vote and hurry up22:24
pleia2czajkowski: I hadn't even thought about that22:25
ajmitchmailing list decisions need to have a defined time - saying that there will be a vote X days after an application is submitted22:25
Pendulumthe bug idea is interesting22:25
popeywould it not be easier to have people just fill in a google form, and each of the board members reads at their leisure and ticks the boxes.22:25
PendulumI do think anything on a mailing list or not on IRC needs a time-frame22:25
czajkowskipleia2: IRC doesn';t always work, but a bug does and you can track it and then kick people to go vote when they need to do so22:25
pleia2czajkowski: *nod*22:25
sabdflUndiFineD: no, we're trying to understand how to shape this, not seeking applicants right now, but an email to the cc would be appreciated!22:25
czajkowskiwhy not try it with one board as a test case and see how it goes?>22:25
head_victimAs a *very* recent applicant the bug idea sounds great to me.22:25
paultag+1 to bugs, the LC uses it really well22:26
paultagI have the code in lp:locolint22:26
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sabdflwhat about contentious cases?22:26
sabdflif we're brainstorming, what about a SAAS solution like Taleo22:27
popeydo we have many of those?22:27
sabdflwe use it for hiring, but essentially, it supports a gated interview / review / decision process22:27
sabdflit's SAAS and not afaik FLOSS22:27
sabdflbut it might work very well, and serve as an inspiration to someone to knock up a FLOSS version22:28
czajkowskisabdfl: we open all the LC bugs after we;ve voted just keep ir private so we can poke the others to vote and hurry people up22:28
sabdflright, but if you're going to open it up, you can't speak very frankly about downsides to the application22:28
sabdfli suppose IRC has the same issue :-)22:29
paultagsabdfl: it's no different then IRC22:29
paultagaye :)22:29
czajkowskiexactly22:29
sabdflok, +1 from me22:29
ajmitchirc is quite public at the moment, so closing it may not be a good idea22:29
czajkowskiand everyone is respectful either way on irc or on a bug22:29
popeyi dont mind what tool is used, just something less synchronous22:29
sabdflcan we agree to try it?22:29
popeysomething easy to use that people don't feel is too onerous would be good22:29
popeysomething where people can fill in answers to specific questions we always ask might be beneficial22:29
sabdflis this a proposal for APAC specifically, because of TZ's, if it works we could encourage other DMB's to do so?22:30
pleia2yeah22:30
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sabdfl+122:30
TechnovikingI fine with trying this idea, +122:30
sabdflagain :-)22:30
pleia2ok, maybe we brainstorm this more, bring it to the councils list and revisit at the next meeting?22:30
ajmitchwith that, you wouldn't need to have people from the APAC region on the board22:30
czajkowskiif you like the EMEA can be a test board...22:31
czajkowskiand we can report next month ?22:31
popeyyup22:32
popeysorry, I appear to be lagging22:32
pleia2EMEA as test board sounds good22:33
czajkowskiif you like I cna blog about this tomorrow and explain what wil happen to next months meeting and then we can re blog and let people know again closer to the time22:33
popeyczajkowski: hold off the blogging until we have talked to the rmb about it :)22:34
czajkowskiokie dokie22:34
pleia2the other portion of this regional boards this is feedback/reports, popey brought up a concern about boards having different standards and it was suggested to go back to reporting a list of new members to -news and -CC (Dev board and Americas still do this, but the other RMBs don't) so there is further review by more eyes than those who just watch lp additoins to ~ubuntumembers22:35
popey+122:35
pleia2plus it gets their names in UWN :) (once UWN comes back...)22:35
pleia2their == new members22:35
paultagI loved having my name in UWN way back then :)22:35
popeywe (EMEA) can certainly start doing that.22:35
ajmitchoh, for the days when new developers were announced to ubuntu-devel :)22:35
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pleia2Americas also copies the emails we send out to the monthly TeamReports, so it shows up there too along other councils22:36
popeyok, so is that two agreed items for EMEA? trialling bugs for membership, and sending out notifications of new members?22:36
pleia2that's all from me (and I need to run back to work anyway :))22:37
sabdflif we use an async mechanism, do we need tz-specific RMB's?22:37
popeywell, exactly22:37
pleia2probably not22:38
ajmitchno, though I think there'd be some time trialling it before you merge them all into one22:38
sabdflok, sounds like a rough guide, let's trial it and see22:38
sabdflthat a wrap?22:38
popeyAnyone got anything else?22:39
popey(I dont)22:39
popeyok, lets end it there then.22:40
popey#endmeeting22:40
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Technovikingthanks all22:40
popeythanks!22:40
sabdflphew22:44
sabdflthanks all22:44
sabdflCC, i think we should setup a phone call22:44
sabdflwe have a lot to discuss, and it's been a very long time since we spoke by voice22:45
pleia2I'm on vacation 8-16, but otherwise my schedule is pretty flexible for a call22:45
sabdflok, i'll send out a mail22:47

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