[11:13] <head_victim> So anyone else here for the Asia & Oceania Region Membership Board meeting?
[11:18] <TeTeT> head_victim: I'd be here for membership application, but going to lunch now
[11:18] <head_victim> TeTeT: Ah ok, I'm an applicant as well
[11:26] <Pendulum> elky: lifeless freeflyi1g: you have people here for the membership meeting?
[11:43] <head_victim> Pendulum & TeTeT not looking likely.
[11:49] <Pendulum> head_victim: yeah, I'm sorry about that, not sure what happened (I'm not here for the meeting, just was poking board members to see if any would respond)
[11:50] <head_victim> Pendulum: it's ok there is always next month just this one happened to line up nicely with a day off from work
[11:50] <Pendulum> head_victim: I don't know what time zone you're in, but you can also put your name on the lists for the EMEA and Americas boards
[11:50] <head_victim> +10
[11:52] <Pendulum> head_victim: you might want to look and decide if you can make it to the next meeting for either https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[11:53] <Pendulum> (you're not required to go for membership to your local RMB, just usually it's easier for people to do so)
[11:55] <head_victim> Hmm I could wake up tomorrow morning for the EMEA
[11:56] <head_victim> Thanks for the options, I'll just work in whatever ends up suiting the best around my shifts.
[16:57] <zul> gday
[16:57] <smb> vning
[16:58] <jamespage> o/
[17:00] <Daviey> o/
[17:01] <kirkland> o/
[17:01] <robbiew> o/
[17:01] <SpamapS> oOoOoOo
[17:01] <jamespage> o/ (again)
[17:01] <hallyn> \o
[17:01] <jamespage> OK so lets make a start
[17:01] <jamespage> #startmeeting
[17:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:01. The chair is jamespage.
[17:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:02] <jamespage> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[17:02] <jamespage> Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred, carry over)
[17:02] <Daviey> Okay, i briefly spoke with dpm
[17:02] <jamespage> Any progress on this one Daviey?
[17:02] <smoser> o/
[17:02] <Daviey> It seems something to table for the next cycle.
[17:02] <Daviey> (until the next cycle)
[17:03] <jamespage> OK; so is that going to need a UDS topic?
[17:03] <SpamapS> Daviey: was there any mention of the greater problem of nobody actually working on the server guide this cycle? :-/
[17:03] <Daviey> jamespage, yes
[17:03] <Daviey> SpamapS, what you said + s/server guide/docs/
[17:04] <Daviey> The whole platform docs are lacking this cycle.
[17:04] <SpamapS> Daviey: *ouch*
[17:04] <Daviey> As in, there currently isn't really any activity this cycle.
[17:06] <jamespage> [ACTION] Daviey to submit UDS-O topic for translations and docs
[17:06] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Daviey to submit UDS-O topic for translations and docs
[17:06] <Daviey> Ta
[17:06] <jamespage> Next: Daviey to post another followup one euca-dhcp bug. (carry over)
[17:11] <jamespage> Daviey?
[17:11] <jamespage> Hmmm; might need to come back to that one
[17:11] <jamespage> SpamapS : to put his version of ubuntuserver-minutes in directions for writing minutes
[17:11] <SpamapS> Done 2 weeks ago, its in the comments of the meeting page.
[17:11] <jamespage> Right-oh looks like the actions might not quite be right - I'll take it off.
[17:11] <SpamapS> no I skipped last week ;)
[17:11] <SpamapS> it was a carry over
[17:14] <Daviey> jamespage, It is making it progress..
[17:15] <Daviey> It looks fixed, but requires verification
[17:15] <Daviey> ..
[17:15] <jamespage> OK - do you need any action from this team? I'm happy to have a go at testing it
[17:15] <Daviey> jamespage, testing is MUCHLY appreciated
[17:15] <Daviey> There is a known upgrade issue, which is currently being worked on
[17:15] <Daviey> but fresh install testing would be really beneficial
[17:16] <jamespage> [ACTION] jamespage to helpout with verification of euca-dhcp bug
[17:16] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jamespage to helpout with verification of euca-dhcp bug
[17:16] <Daviey> thanks!
[17:16] <jamespage> Next: ALL: Please review the current documentation (for Natty release)
[17:16] <Daviey> Euca is currently looking adequate.
[17:16] <jamespage> Anyone else managed to find some time to review docs?
[17:16] <jamespage> Well I know that I've not managed to; suggest that we carry that action
[17:16] <hallyn> jamespage: once again, for the minutes, a link?
[17:16] <SpamapS> jamespage: I did but I can't figure out how to *fix* problems.
[17:16] <SpamapS> the server guide is no longer in the ubuntu-docs package.. not sure where exactly it lives
[17:17]  * SpamapS must end this line of speaking because compiz has just eaten itself... 
[17:17] <jamespage> hallyn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting (follow link at bottom of page)
[17:17] <jamespage> So can anyone enlighten us on how to fix documentation issues?
[17:17] <zul> it got removed into a pdf didnt it/
[17:18] <SpamapS> well it has a bzr tree somewhere
[17:18] <SpamapS> zul: pdf + html
[17:18] <SpamapS> its all in docbook.. somewhere. :-P
[17:19] <zul> SpamapS: *cough* https://code.launchpad.net/~asommer/ubuntu-docs/serverguide
[17:19] <Daviey> erm
[17:19] <Daviey> that isn't the main location... is it?!
[17:19] <Daviey> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/natty
[17:19] <zul> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs maybe?
[17:20] <zul> i dunno maybe we need to fire off an email to asommer then
[17:21] <SpamapS> Daviey: where did you find that?
[17:21] <jamespage> Well it seems like there is some confusion; I'll pickup and action to try and find out...
[17:22] <jamespage> [ACTION] jamespage to discover process/location for fixing ubuntu server documentation
[17:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jamespage to discover process/location for fixing ubuntu server documentation
[17:22]  * jamespage thinks I might be a glutton for punishment but hey-ho
[17:22] <jamespage> Daviey to talk with docs team about new submissions (New documentation for cluster stack)
[17:23] <jamespage> seems to all be about documentation this week Daviey
[17:23] <Daviey> That made no progress due to lack of activity
[17:23] <SpamapS> That does look like the bit I was looking for tho, so thanks. :)
[17:23] <Daviey> This shares the same action as UDS-O session
[17:23] <jamespage> OK; so thats last weeks actions...
[17:23] <Daviey> \o/
[17:23] <jamespage> [TOPIC] Natty Development
[17:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty Development
[17:24] <robbiew> should be no "development"...just bug fixing ;)
[17:24] <zul> dang it
[17:25] <Daviey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=server-nrs
[17:26] <Daviey> Essentially, we are looking pretty good.
[17:26] <smoser> i have a probably bad question to ask . bug 726572 and bug 727200
[17:26] <hallyn> zul: isn't bug 742770 fixed as of your upload yesterday?
[17:26] <smoser> are both MIR
[17:27] <zul> hallyn: it should
[17:28] <Daviey> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html
[17:28] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html
[17:36] <jamespage> OK; next topic is...
[17:36] <jamespage> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events
[17:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Server Team Events
[17:36] <SpamapS> Apr. 13,14 I will be at the MySQL Users' Conference in Santa Clara, CA
[17:36] <SpamapS> Speaking on the 13th about how Natty is the best platform for trying out Drizzle. :)
[17:37] <jamespage> Good luch SpamapS - hope if goes well :-)
[17:37] <jamespage> I'll be attending puppet camp europe on the 28/29 April in Amsterdam
[17:37] <SpamapS> Yeah I should probably start on my slides. :)
[17:37] <jamespage> zul: are you attending the openstack summit?
[17:37] <SpamapS> I wonder if I should pop up and crash the openstack summit for 1 day. :)
[17:37] <smoser> jamespage, at previous puppet camp, we ran an awstrial for them
[17:37] <zul> Apr 25 - 29 I will be at the Openstack summit i santa clara, CA
[17:37] <smoser> it went over pretty well, and we're more mature in some respects.. we may want to offer that to them again.
[17:38] <SpamapS> Definitely get in contact with puppetlabs now so we can be more prepared.
[17:38] <jamespage> smoser: OK suggest we pick that up separately - I'll ping you directly and we can take it from there
[17:38] <SpamapS> Would be extremely cool if it were an awstrial backed by UEC. :)
[17:38] <SpamapS> then again, that might require 4 or 5 NC's ;)
[17:38] <jamespage> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[17:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[17:39] <jamespage> hggdh: over to you
[17:39] <hggdh> k
[17:39] <hggdh> still trying to find the culprit on bug 746751
[17:39] <smoser> for what its worth, awstrial could be backed by UEC. but its not useful.
[17:39] <hggdh> pretty much all my time has been dedicated to this and kernel sru testing this week
[17:40] <hggdh> and it is not helping much that I am getting extremely weird results on local KVM testing
[17:40] <hggdh> ..
[17:41] <hallyn> hggdh: weird?
[17:41] <hallyn> hggdh: the bug report suggests that kvm by hand is fine?
[17:42] <hggdh> hallyn: on the kernel SRU tests -- I get security failures, compiler stracktraces, the whole 9 yards
[17:42] <jjohansen> hggdh: ?
[17:42] <jjohansen> oh right
[17:42] <hallyn> hggdh: jinkeys!  I've not seen any of that
[17:42] <hggdh> hallyn: I am currently running a lucid image copied over, and no issues so far
[17:42] <hggdh> the same lucid image barfs in many different and instructive ways on my laptop
[17:43] <jjohansen> hggdh: faulty hardware?
[17:43] <hallyn> well jdstrand had some bad kvm results too, but we never were able to figure it out
[17:43] <hggdh> jjohansen: it might -- I am also seeing now what seems to be wireless errors
[17:43] <hallyn> hggdh: is htere an open bug for that?
[17:44] <hallyn> (so we can take this out of the meeting :)
[17:44] <jamespage> OK so we do need to push on;
[17:44] <jamespage> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[17:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[17:44] <hggdh> hallyn: we can talk after the meeting
[17:44] <smb> Hi
[17:44] <hallyn> hggdh: ok
[17:45] <smb> So some time was spend on bug 634487
[17:45]  * jdstrand needs to bisect that still...
[17:45] <smb> Though unfortunately or fortunately all is good with latest natty on my centos 5.5 + xen 3.4.3
[17:46] <smb> but not on ec2 which is centos 5.0 + xen 3.1.something.
[17:46] <Daviey> smb, is 634487 likely to be resolved this cycle?
[17:46] <smb> Tried a centos 5.0 install this week but was set back by the slight difference of yum upgrade to apt-get upgrade
[17:47] <smb> Daviey, If amazon upgrade... yes
[17:47] <smb> Otherwise I still have no clue what happens because I cannot look outside
[17:48] <smb> Daviey, The bug seems to be some interaction between xen hypervisor and the kernel. And it looks like newer Xen works
[17:48] <jjohansen> right, I find it unlikely this one can be resolved
[17:49] <smb> I guess the interesting part of natty failing is that this contains the 3 patches fiddling around with the interrrupt types used
[17:50] <smb> Which is iirc the changes we get asked to get for that problem...
[17:51] <jamespage> smb: anything else from the kernel team? or any questions for smb?
[17:51] <smb> On a sidenote I would have a patch now to make Hardy move to edge interrupts and the lucid updates just have hit the point of making them fasteoi...
[17:51] <Daviey> smb, thanks!
[17:51]  * smb waits for questions
[17:52] <smoser> no questions, but comment to others
[17:52] <smb> Oh one thing
[17:52] <smoser> jjohansen, wrote to mailing list asking for feedback
[17:52] <smoser> GIVE HIM SOME
[17:52] <jjohansen> hehe, thanks smoser
[17:52] <smb> Has anybody exxperinece with using generic kernels under RHEL HVM?
[17:52] <smoser> "generic kernels"
[17:52] <smoser> as in kernel.org ?
[17:53] <smb> IOW 10.04 but not the ec2 kernel
[17:53] <smb> So lucid-generic
[17:53] <smoser> smb, well we know it doesnt work
[17:53] <Daviey> jjohansen, How is your list of wishes coming on?
[17:53] <smb> smoser, Then who sold that to the German LVM customer?
[17:54] <smoser> and i may have a bit more info for you.
[17:54] <smb> smoser, bug 751253
[17:54] <jjohansen> Daviey: slowly, the two big ones are still xen dom0 and containers
[17:54] <Daviey> jjohansen, oh joy
[17:54] <smoser> smb, there was a thread on ubuntu-cloud about lucid hvm.  i built a daily image to just see what would happen. i reported there what was wrong
[17:55] <smb> smoser, Hm, maybe I could chicken out of looking at that bug report and let you reply...
[17:55] <jamespage> OK guys - we are running a little short on time; smoser, smb can you pick that issue up separately
[17:55] <jamespage> please :-)
[17:55] <smoser> thread at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-cloud/2011-March/000577.html
[17:55] <smb> ok ok. :)
[17:55] <jamespage> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[17:55] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[17:56] <jamespage> Guess that we have already discussed docs to death this week.
[17:56] <jamespage> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[17:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[17:56] <jamespage> So anything from the community this week?
[17:57] <jamespage> Okay so moving on...
[17:57] <jamespage> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[17:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[17:57] <jamespage> Anything else anyone wants to raise?
[17:57] <Daviey> More ideas for blueprints for next UDS please
[17:57] <Daviey> (See ubuntu-server mailing list for inspiration)
[17:58] <SpamapS> I liked the wiki page last time
[17:58] <Daviey> or ping one of us.  thanks
[17:58] <SpamapS> Should we start collecting in a wiki page or just go right to blueprint?
[17:58] <Daviey> SpamapS, I think hold fire for this week...
[17:58] <Daviey> lets collate more ideas.
[17:58] <Daviey> Although, talking of which...
[17:58] <SpamapS> Alright, I have a few that I'll be mailing about this week.
[17:58] <Daviey> considering the activity of the mysql alternatives thread, expected some more input on the comparision wikipage
[17:59] <Daviey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase/FeatureComparison/MySQL
[17:59] <Daviey> and perhaps a similar thing, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase/FeatureComparison/NetworkMonitoring
[17:59] <jamespage> And finally....
[17:59] <Daviey> Currently there seems to be no compelling reason for us to look at anything other than mysql IMO.
[18:00] <Daviey> ..
[18:00] <jamespage> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[18:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[18:00] <jamespage> Tuesday, April 12th 2011 16:00 UTC - see you all then :-)
[18:00] <jamespage> #endmeeting
[18:00] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:00.
[18:00] <bjf> #startmeeting
[18:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is bjf.
[18:00] <SpamapS> nice, right on the nose ;)
[18:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:00] <bjf> ##
[18:00] <bjf> ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.
[18:00] <bjf> ##
[18:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[18:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[18:01] <bjf> # Meeting Etiquette
[18:01] <bjf> #
[18:01] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[18:01] <bjf> #       'o/' indicates you have something you'd like to add (wait until you are recognized)
[18:01] <bjf> #
[18:01] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo)
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics (JFo)
[18:01] <JFo> Release Meeting Bugs (6 bugs, 8 Blueprints)
[18:01] <JFo> [18:01] <JFo>  * 2 linux kernel bugs (down 2)
[18:01] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[18:01] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[18:01] <JFo> [18:01] <JFo>  * 27 linux kernel bugs (up 5)
[18:01] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[18:01] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[18:01] <JFo> [18:01] <JFo>  * 6 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints)
[18:01] <JFo> [18:01] <JFo> changed to only reflect linux package bugs
[18:01] <JFo>  * 6 Linux Bugs
[18:01] <JFo> [18:01] <JFo> changed to only reflect linux package bugs
[18:01] <JFo>  * 15 Linux Bugs
[18:01] <JFo> [18:01] <JFo>  * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]]
[18:01] <JFo>  * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]]
[18:01] <JFo> ..
[18:01] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo)
[18:01] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo)
[18:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling
[18:02] <JFo> * My plan for these is to have this blueprint completed prior to the release of Beta 2.
[18:02] <JFo> As such, it is a high priority for me and I will be focusing on those items that are still
[18:02] <JFo> outstanding for this week.
[18:02] <JFo> ..
[18:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: General Natty (apw / ogasawara)
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: General Natty (apw / ogasawara)
[18:02] <ogasawara> Last week we uploaded the 2.6.38-8.40 kernel which is based on the latest upstream stable v2.6.38.2.  As Kernel Freeze is April 14, I plan to do another upload today for the patches queued in master-next and then a final upload before kernel freeze on Mon April 11 so that our builds are complete by the 14th.  After kernel freeze we will transition to our SRU policy when submitting and accepting patches.  See:
[18:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelUpdates and
[18:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/StablePatchFormat
[18:02] <ogasawara> Any uploads beyond kernel freeze will likely have to resolve a critical issue, otherwise, it'll have to wait for the first round of SRU's.
[18:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelUpdates and
[18:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/StablePatchFormat
[18:02] <ogasawara> ..
[18:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf)
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf)
[18:03] <bjf> ||
[18:03] <bjf> || Last week we completed the Verification phase of the current cycle and entered the Testing Phase.
[18:03] <bjf> || When testing is completed, the packages can be published.
[18:03] <bjf> ||
[18:03] <bjf> || This has the next upload to proposed and the start of the next cycle to be on 4/29.
[18:03] <bjf> ||
[18:03] <bjf> || Since there are a lot of changes in the Maverick kernel from upstream stable patches, and because there
[18:03] <bjf> || are people interested in verifying specific fixes, we will soon produce a kernel and upload it to -proposed
[18:03] <bjf> || for Maverick. This is not on the schedule, and is not part of a normal kernel cycle. We will replce it
[18:03] <bjf> || with a kernel containing additional fixes for th enext official cycle.
[18:03] <bjf> ..
[18:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)
[18:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)
[18:03] <bjf> || Package                                    || Upd/Sec              || Proposed             ||  TiP || Verified ||
[18:03] <bjf> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[18:03] <bjf> || dapper   linux-source-2.6.15               || 2.6.15-57.94         || 2.6.15-57.95         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[18:03] <bjf> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[18:04] <bjf> || karmic   linux-ec2                         || 2.6.31-308.28        || 2.6.31-308.29        ||    1 ||        1 ||
[18:04] <bjf> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.31-23.74         || 2.6.31-23.75         ||    1 ||        1 ||
[18:04] <bjf> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[18:04] <bjf> || lucid    linux-ec2                         || 2.6.32-314.27        || 2.6.32-315.28        ||    5 ||        5 ||
[18:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-ports-meta                  || 2.6.32.30.23         || 2.6.32.31.23         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[18:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick  || 2.6.35.25.36         || 2.6.35.28.37         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[18:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-lts-backport-maverick       || 2.6.35-25.44~lucid1  || 2.6.35-28.50~lucid1  ||   13 ||       13 ||
[18:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-backports-modules-2.6.32    || 2.6.32-30.29         || 2.6.32-31.31         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[18:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-firmware                    || 1.34.4               || 1.34.7               ||    1 ||        1 ||
[18:04] <bjf> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.32-30.59         || 2.6.32-31.60         ||    5 ||        5 ||
[18:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-meta                        || 2.6.32.30.36         || 2.6.32.31.37         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[18:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-meta-ec2                    || 2.6.32.314.15        || 2.6.32.315.16        ||    0 ||        0 ||
[18:04] <bjf> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[18:04] <bjf> || maverick linux-backports-modules-2.6.35
[18:04] <bjf> ..
[18:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:04] <JFo> Incoming Bugs
[18:04] <JFo>  574 Natty Bugs (up 121)
[18:04] <JFo>  1252 Maverick Bugs (up 14)
[18:04] <JFo>  1061 Lucid Bugs (up 8)
[18:04] <JFo> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[18:04] <JFo> [18:04] <JFo>   * 46 maverick bugs (up 4)
[18:04] <JFo>   * 77 lucid bugs (up 1)
[18:04] <JFo>   * 6 karmic bugs (down 1)
[18:05] <JFo>   * 0 hardy bugs (no change)
[18:05] <JFo> [18:05] <JFo>   * 287 natty bugs (up 70)
[18:05] <JFo>   * 246 maverick bugs (up 7)
[18:05] <JFo>   * 222 lucid bugs (no change)
[18:05] <JFo>   * 38 karmic bugs (no change)
[18:05] <JFo>   * 2 hardy bugs (no change)
[18:05] <JFo> [18:05] <JFo>   * 15 natty bugs (up 5)
[18:05] <JFo>   * 0 maverick bugs (no change)
[18:05] <JFo>   * 0 lucid bugs (no change)
[18:05] <JFo>   * 0 karmic bug (no change)
[18:05] <JFo> ..
[18:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:05] <JFo> My effort last week was a bit different as I did not advertise the bug day in the same way I normally do. In this last case,
[18:05] <JFo> I directly pinged those parties that have provided the majority of the bug triage during our normally advertised bug days.
[18:05] <JFo> I also pressed those who continually ask me to review bugs (other than through the normal channels) to asist us in triaging
[18:05] <JFo> those bugs that they are bringing to my attention. It doesn't seem to have had the desired effect, so I'll be going back to
[18:05] <JFo> the e-mail and blog/tweet for advertisement of our bug days. The next bug day will be next Tuesday. We will be focusing on
[18:05] <JFo> regression-release bugs in all status starting with the new state.
[18:05] <JFo> ..
[18:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo)
[18:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Triage Status (JFo)
[18:06] <JFo> I didn't do much in the way of triage for the past week, nor did I interact heavily with our triagers due to the need to plan
[18:06] <JFo> for UDS a bit and to get my schedule in order for all of the tasks yet to do in this cycle. This week will likely be the same
[18:06] <JFo> as I will be working ot implement the plan and close out my remaining tasks while drafting blueprint information for the O UDS.
[18:06] <JFo> ..
[18:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[18:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[18:06] <kamal> o/
[18:06] <bjf> kamal, go
[18:07] <kamal> thanks ogasawara for the ubuntu-oneiric.git repo ... the Oneiric 2.6.39 kernel builds and works great on Natty!
[18:07] <kamal> ..
[18:07] <ogasawara> \o/
[18:07] <ogasawara> I'll send an official email to the mailing list once I get the armel builds going
[18:07] <ogasawara> ..
[18:07] <bjf> anything else ?
[18:07] <JFo> Thank you for attending the JFo and bjf show... we hope you had a good time. Please tip your server.    :-P
[18:08]  * JFo giggles
[18:08] <bjf> thanks everyone
[18:08] <bjf> #endmeeting
[18:08] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:08.
[18:08] <JFo> thanks bjf
[18:08] <ppisati> :)
[18:08]  * smb tries to purge input queue
[18:08] <kamal> thanks bjf and JFo ... always a good show!
[18:08]  * ogasawara wonders what bjf's record time is for these meetings
[18:08] <JFo> 5 minutes
[18:08] <kamal> yeah, this one just dragged on and on by comparison to some of our recent meetings ;-)
[18:09] <ogasawara> heh
[18:09] <JFo> it was because I was a bit long winded in my responses :-P
[18:10] <cking> can you get the meeting down to 5 mins next time?
[18:11] <kamal> I will only be impressed if bjf somehow figures out how to #startmeeting and #endmeeting in the same chat line
[18:12] <jjohansen> ouch kamal I can see you are hard to please :)
[18:14] <JFo> cking, I will do my best
[18:14] <JFo> :)
[18:37] <__rayray__> hello
[18:38] <StefandeVries> hi
[18:38] <__rayray__> testing out my vm box on Ubuntu through PC-BSD
[18:39] <StefandeVries> I'm not sure this is the right channel for that, but I could well be mistaking
[20:06] <rafaellaguna> Barry, are you there?
[20:07] <UndiFineD> hey rafaellaguna it is in an hour
[20:07] <rafaellaguna> hi, Undie ;)
[20:07] <rafaellaguna> not now?
[20:08] <UndiFineD> next hour
[20:08] <UndiFineD> google messed up times again
[20:09] <rafaellaguna> LOL so I'll dinner a bit until that
[20:59] <leoquant> zo
[21:01] <leoquant> EMEA is 20:00 UTC?
[21:01] <highvoltage> yep
[21:02] <leoquant> hi highvoltage
[21:02]  * stgraber waves
[21:02] <highvoltage> good evening leoquant
[21:02] <ogra_> moop
[21:02] <popey> o/
[21:02] <serfus> hello everybody
[21:02] <UndiFineD> o/
[21:02] <barrydrake> hi
[21:02] <RawChid> Goed evening
[21:02] <rafaellaguna> hi there, guys!
[21:03] <highvoltage> who's chairing today?
[21:03] <czajkowski> Aloha
[21:03] <popey> I'd rather not, I'm doing CC directly after this
[21:03] <highvoltage> I think that there's a rule somewhere that says that people who say "Aloha" has to chair
[21:03] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[21:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:03. The chair is czajkowski.
[21:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:03] <czajkowski> who's here for the meeting :)
[21:03]  * iulian waves.
[21:03] <popey> o/
[21:03]  * highvoltage o/
[21:03] <popey> Welcome iulian !
[21:03] <stgraber> o/
[21:03] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA  tonights agenda
[21:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA  tonights agenda
[21:04] <czajkowski> we'll work our way though the list from top to bottom
[21:04] <serfus> o/
[21:04] <charlie-tca__> o/
[21:04] <iulian> Cheers popey.
[21:04] <aquarius> o/
[21:04] <czajkowski> [topic] rafaellaguna
[21:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  rafaellaguna
[21:04] <highvoltage> for those who aren't following the news, we welcome iulian today as a new EMEA RMB board member
[21:04] <rafaellaguna> me :)
[21:04] <ogra_> welcome iulian !
[21:04] <czajkowski> rafaellaguna: care to tell us about yourself so please
[21:04] <czajkowski> iulian: aloha
[21:04] <UndiFineD> \o/
[21:04] <serfus> good luck with the board iulian
[21:04] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rafaellaguna
[21:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rafaellaguna
[21:04] <leoquant> \o/ iulian
[21:05] <iulian> Thanks. :)
[21:05] <czajkowski> rafaellaguna: are you here?
[21:05] <rafaellaguna> well, just a designe, but evolved with Ubuntu and Lubuntu
[21:05] <rafaellaguna> designer
[21:05] <rafaellaguna> can you read me?
[21:05] <stgraber> yep
[21:05] <popey> rafaellaguna: are all your contributions to lubuntu?
[21:06] <rafaellaguna> part. a bit was for the Catalan loco team (translating, advertising, public "exposure")
[21:06] <highvoltage> rafaellaguna: your wiki page doesn't seem to mention much ubuntu-specific work outside of lubuntu. which ubuntu work have you been involved in?
[21:06] <rafaellaguna> that was for Ubuntu
[21:06] <highvoltage> (sorry my IRC session was a bit slow there for a bit)
[21:07] <rafaellaguna> Oh, and distributing and installing at children schools, musical masterclasses, etc
[21:07] <rafaellaguna> ...spreading a bit...
[21:07] <highvoltage> rafaellaguna: you mention that you did the graphics work for the lubuntu website, but I notice that it still uses the old-style ubuntu theming: http://lubuntu.net/ - have you done any work on it recently?
[21:07] <popey> rafaellaguna: I'm not seeing much documentation of what you've done specifically for Ubuntu?
[21:08] <rafaellaguna> In Spain, Linux is not very known
[21:08] <rafaellaguna> We're currently redesigning the site (not just the icons you can see)
[21:08] <czajkowski> really? The catalan team is rather active
[21:08] <highvoltage> rafaellaguna: spreading ubuntu at schools is a great thing to do, that's something you should document on your wiki page for sure, and with details
[21:09] <rafaellaguna> sure, I'll do, but I think it's what we all must do
[21:09] <UndiFineD> rafaellaguna, also is involved with #ubuntu-adverts
[21:09] <rafaellaguna> thanks, UndiDineD, yes, I'm collaborating
[21:09] <czajkowski> rafaellaguna: just the work isn't documented clearly on the wiki, do you have anyone else here to vouch for you fro the advertising team or the catalan loco ?
[21:09] <highvoltage> in Andalusia Linux is quite big too
[21:09] <rafaellaguna> We're planning to lauch flyers in Valencia for Installing Parties
[21:10] <popey> i have no more questions
[21:10] <czajkowski> I've no more questions
[21:10]  * highvoltage neither
[21:10] <iulian> rafaellaguna: Sounds great.  I reckon you should probably get in touch with the ubuntu-es team for that.
[21:11] <rafaellaguna> great!
[21:11] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the membership of rafaellaguna . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE.
[21:11] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the membership of rafaellaguna . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE..
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[21:11] <highvoltage> +0 [ Not enough documented contributions or feedback from known contributors ]
[21:11] <MootBot> Abstention received from highvoltage. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[21:11] <popey> -1 I'd like to see more evidence of contributions to Ubuntu. if there are more contributions but they're not on the wiki, then the wiki page should be updated
[21:11] <MootBot> -1 received from popey. 0 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -1
[21:11] <czajkowski> -1 not seeing enough work documented.
[21:11] <MootBot> -1 received from czajkowski. 0 for, 2 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -2
[21:12]  * popey pokes stgraber iulian 
[21:12]  * popey pokes ogra_ also :D
[21:12] <ogra_> +1  [ running the whole artwork for a distro alone and even making it look good is agood contribution even if its not directly to ubuntu ]
[21:12] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_. 1 for, 2 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -1
[21:12] <stgraber> -1
[21:12] <MootBot> -1 received from stgraber. 1 for, 3 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -2
[21:12] <iulian> -1 from me at the moment.  I would like to see more work done.
[21:12] <MootBot> -1 received from iulian. 1 for, 4 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -3
[21:12] <czajkowski> #endvote
[21:12] <czajkowski> grrr
[21:12] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:12] <MootBot> Final result is 1 for, 4 against. 1 abstained. Total: -3
[21:12] <ogra_> seems i stand alone with my opinion :)
[21:13] <popey> always the maverick ogra_
[21:13] <ogra_> heh
[21:13] <popey> rafaellaguna: bad luck this time, keep going!
[21:13] <czajkowski> rafaellaguna: sorry at this time it appears you are not successful, please don't take this badly adn we look forward to seeing you back again with more of your work documented.
[21:13] <czajkowski> [topic] RawChid
[21:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  RawChid
[21:13] <rafaellaguna> ok, thank you very much
[21:14] <highvoltage> rafaellaguna: I suggest you document your non-artwork contributions on your wiki page. It would also be great to see some testimonials from the Lubuntu crowd.
[21:14] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RachidBM
[21:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RachidBM
[21:14] <czajkowski> RawChid: aloha, can you tell us about yourself please?
[21:14] <RawChid> Hi there
[21:14] <Cees> hi RawChid
[21:14] <RawChid> My name is Rachid and I live in the Netherlands. I've used linux now and then from 2004, but since 2007 I'm really enthusiastic about Ubuntu.
[21:14] <RawChid> At the moment I'm finalizing my Master thesis in Computer Science and work part time as Java and php programmer.
[21:15] <RawChid> My plan is to continue my current activities for Ubuntu NL which you can find on my wiki.
[21:15] <RawChid> And in the long run I want to become more active in international teams. Most likely something with programming or packaging.
[21:16]  * highvoltage has no questions
[21:16] <czajkowski> RawChid: impressive wiki :D
[21:16] <UndiFineD> \o/
[21:16] <RawChid> Thank you
[21:16] <iulian> No questions from me either.
[21:17] <czajkowski> RawChid: so can you tell me, how are you involved in your loco ?
[21:17] <popey> oooo
[21:17] <RawChid> Sorry, what do you mean czajkowski?
[21:17] <RawChid> I'm doing some stuff with different teams of the loco...
[21:17] <czajkowski> RawChid: the dutch loco ? are you involved in it ?
[21:17] <RawChid> Yes,
[21:18] <czajkowski> in what way ?
[21:18] <highvoltage> RawChid: the Log section on your wiki page mentions that you organised a local Jam before. I think czajkowski wants to hear more about those kind of things
[21:18] <leoquant> ツ great guy +1 from me he one of the members who  activates loco initiatives
[21:18] <RawChid> Well, currently my focus is on finishing the last translations for NAtty with the Dutch Translators
[21:19] <czajkowski> good translations are a great way to get ubuntu out there :)
[21:19] <RawChid> highvoltage, sorry, me and Ronnie are organising a local Jam on April 16th
[21:19] <czajkowski> RawChid: great to hear
[21:19] <czajkowski> I've no more questions,.
[21:19] <RawChid> That is a bit confusing
[21:20] <czajkowski> popey: ogra_ highvoltage stgraber iulian any more questions?
[21:20] <ogra_> nope
[21:20] <popey> no
[21:20] <stgraber> nope
[21:20] <iulian> No.
[21:20] <Ronnie> RawChid: is a great loco member, he is active in different parts of the loco (translating, documtation, forum and wiki), he also helped me with the forum thema
[21:20] <popey> thanks for the feedback Ronnie
[21:21] <popey> and leoquant :)
[21:21] <popey> er ツ
[21:21] <leoquant> http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/community/mwanzo/Workshop
[21:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/community/mwanzo/Workshop
[21:21] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the membership of RawChid. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE.
[21:21] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the membership of RawChid. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE..
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[21:21] <czajkowski> +1 great work keep it up and welcome
[21:21] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:21] <highvoltage> +1 [ Significant and sustained LoCo and translations involvement ]
[21:21] <ogra_> +1
[21:21] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:21] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:21] <popey> +1 great work, keep on contributing!
[21:21] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:21] <iulian> +1 nice work.  Well done.
[21:21] <MootBot> +1 received from iulian. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:21] <stgraber> +1 [great work]
[21:21] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[21:21] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:21] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[21:22] <czajkowski> well done and welcome to RawChid
[21:22] <charlie-tca__> Congratulations, RawChid
[21:22] <highvoltage> RawChid: congratulations and welcome
[21:22] <leoquant> \o/
[21:22] <RawChid> Wow, great thanks
[21:22] <czajkowski> [topic] serfus
[21:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  serfus
[21:22] <Cees> \o/
[21:22] <Ronnie> \o/
[21:22] <RawChid> I want to thank you, and especially my dear fellow Ubuntu NL members
[21:22] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/serfus
[21:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/serfus
[21:22] <serfus> howdy people
[21:22] <UndiFineD> \o/
[21:22] <czajkowski> wow that;s a lot of colour on the wiki
[21:22] <serfus> :D
[21:22] <popey> added RawChid to ~ubuntumembers
[21:22] <highvoltage> serfus: is ICQ still big in Israel?
[21:23] <serfus> highvoltage, heh ya, it is
[21:23] <highvoltage> I thought it pretty much died everywhere already :)
[21:23] <serfus> mainly with younger people
[21:23] <hajour_> \o/ RawChid
[21:24] <highvoltage> ah, and here I thought that young people today only use facebook chat. just shows you how out of touch I am already :)
[21:24] <ogra_> you old fart :P
[21:24] <ogra_> :)
[21:24] <czajkowski> ogra_: hello pot
[21:24] <ogra_> thats a lot of nice loco work on that wiki i'd say
[21:24] <czajkowski> serfus: so you've involved in the loco, well done on the translations
[21:25] <highvoltage> serfus: tell me more about the beginners team. we have so many people from that team applying for membership and yet it's quite a mystery to me
[21:25] <czajkowski> serfus: how if you got membership would you help your team , future plans??
[21:25] <serfus> yup, since i have been elected as the loco contact i haven't got much for translation but i am currently working on the LD
[21:26] <czajkowski> LD ++  :d
[21:26] <serfus> highvoltage, i am not a part of the team, i only support on the IRC room
[21:26] <czajkowski> serfus: why are you not part of the loco ?
[21:26] <czajkowski> sorry nm
[21:26] <czajkowski> misread
[21:27] <highvoltage> serfus: what kind of work does the ubuntu-youth-council do?
[21:27] <serfus> at the ubuntu-youth team we try to make it easier for youths like us to start contribute to ubuntu
[21:28] <serfus> we are acting as a social place for the younger crowd
[21:28] <serfus> and currently, we are starting a mentoring project
[21:29] <iulian> Oh ubuntu-youth.  How is it doing?  There used to be a channel called #ubuntu-youth if I recall correctly.  Is it still active?
[21:29] <serfus> iulian, you are right. the project has died and revived a couple of times
[21:29] <serfus> we are getting it moving again
[21:30] <iulian> Alrighty.  Sounds like a nice plan indeed.
[21:30] <serfus> i think we did well with getting the youths around, now we need to move froward and get more productive
[21:31] <serfus> besides from being elected as the PoC of the Israeli loco, i am acting as sort of the leader
[21:31] <highvoltage> I'd like to see more about the ubuntu-youth team on the fridge and in general ubuntu news
[21:31] <popey> i have no questions
[21:31] <czajkowski> I have no further questions.
[21:31]  * ogra_ neither
[21:31] <highvoltage> but I also have no further questions
[21:32] <serfus> highvoltage, will do :-)
[21:32] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the membership of serfus. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE.
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[21:32] <czajkowski> +0
[21:32] <MootBot> Abstention received from czajkowski. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[21:33] <stgraber> +0
[21:33] <MootBot> Abstention received from stgraber. 0 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 0
[21:33] <ogra_> +0
[21:33] <MootBot> Abstention received from ogra_. 0 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 0
[21:33] <popey> +0 I'd like to see a longer period of activity before a plus one. I would say come back in 3 months.
[21:33] <MootBot> Abstention received from popey. 0 for, 0 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 0
[21:33] <iulian> +0
[21:33] <MootBot> Abstention received from iulian. 0 for, 0 against. 5 have abstained. Count is now 0
[21:33] <highvoltage> (one moment)
[21:34] <highvoltage> +0 [ good involvement, but need to see a bit more depth with contributions ]
[21:34] <MootBot> Abstention received from highvoltage. 0 for, 0 against. 6 have abstained. Count is now 0
[21:34] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:34] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 0 against. 6 abstained. Total: 0
[21:34] <popey> serfus: keep contributing! would love to see you come back to us in a few months!
[21:34] <czajkowski> serfus: at this time you've not been sucessful, please do come back but with more work documented.
[21:34] <czajkowski> keep up the good work
[21:34] <czajkowski> [topic] UndiFineD
[21:34] <highvoltage> serfus: I was very tempted to give you a +1, but I think you just need to keep doing good things for a bit more, and be slightly more specific about your contributions on your wiki page
[21:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  UndiFineD
[21:34] <serfus> okay, thanks folks
[21:35] <UndiFineD> hey hello everyone
[21:35] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UndiFineD
[21:35] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UndiFineD
[21:35] <highvoltage> serfus: and thanks for your good work so far!
[21:35] <RawChid> \o/
[21:35] <Ronnie> \o/
[21:35] <ogra_> geez, thats a lot of testimonials
[21:35] <czajkowski> UndiFineD: you're up next,
[21:35] <UndiFineD> I am back again after 6 months like you told me to
[21:35] <Thomas_de_Graaff> \o/
[21:36] <hajour_> \o/
[21:36] <highvoltage> what is iana-etc?
[21:36] <popey> lots of very nice testimonials there
[21:36] <UndiFineD> I am not an etc
[21:36] <UndiFineD> it is in /etc
[21:36] <UndiFineD> and handles mime types
[21:37] <czajkowski> that's an impressive wiki
[21:37] <UndiFineD> yeah wiki work I do that a lot
[21:37] <czajkowski> UndiFineD: what have you found to be any barriers to your work in Ubuntu ?
[21:38] <highvoltage> yeah with testimonials from udienz, cprofitt, AlanBell, charlie-tca__ and Pendulum I'm fine on going on testimonials alone here
[21:38] <UndiFineD> hmmm, not many just finding people and knowledge
[21:38] <hajour_> mm i not new or i  was allowed to set a testimonial .because i am his girlfriend.but of the record he have helped a real lot whit speechcontrol
[21:39] <popey> I have no questions.
[21:39] <nikyr0x> UndiFineD, why you use Windows 7 with KDE?
[21:39] <czajkowski> ogra_: stgraber iulian any questions ?
[21:39] <stgraber> nope
[21:39]  * charlie-tca__ just wanted to say UndiFineD has done really good work with accessibility and beginners team both. We look forward to continuing to work with him.
[21:39] <ogra_> none at all
[21:40] <Pendulum> I definitely support him based on his work with accessibility :)
[21:40] <UndiFineD> I dont understand nikyr0x comment I have now win7 nor kde
[21:40] <popey> thanks charlie-tca__ hajour_ Thomas_de_Graaff Ronnie RawChid and Pendulum for your cheers
[21:40] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the membership of UndiFineD . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE
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[21:40] <AlanBell> o/ UndiFineD
[21:40] <iulian> czajkowski: No questions from me.
[21:40] <highvoltage> +1 [ great feedback from well-known community members who have worked with him ]
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[21:40] <popey> +1
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[21:40] <stgraber> +1
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[21:40] <iulian> +1
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[21:40] <czajkowski> +1 easy well done :)
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[21:40] <ogra_> +1
[21:40]  * czajkowski prods ogra_ 
[21:40] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[21:40] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:40] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[21:40] <czajkowski> UndiFineD: well done and welcome
[21:40] <barrydrake> Congratulations!!!
[21:40] <charlie-tca__> Congratulations, UndiFineD! You earned it.
[21:41] <Pendulum> UndiFineD: congrats!
[21:41]  * popey adds UndiFineD to ~ubuntumembers
[21:41] <iulian> Welcome UndiFineD.
[21:41] <UndiFineD> Thanks to all whom I work with !
[21:41] <Ronnie> |o|
[21:41] <highvoltage> UndiFineD: congratulations and welcome
[21:41] <rafaellaguna> great, UndiFineD! I'm happy for this
[21:41] <paultag> 'grats UndiFineD !
[21:41] <Thomas_de_Graaff> Gefeliciteerd!
[21:41] <czajkowski> [topic] barrydrake
[21:41] <hajour_> congratulations UndiFineD
[21:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  barrydrake
[21:41] <JFo> cheers UndiFineD
[21:41] <head_victim> wd UndiFineD
[21:41] <barrydrake> Hi guys
[21:41] <popey> nice one UndiFineD, keep up the great work
[21:41] <highvoltage> hey there barrydrake
[21:41] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/b-drake
[21:41] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/b-drake
[21:41] <highvoltage> barrydrake: is that you in the photo?
[21:41] <barrydrake> Yep
[21:41] <czajkowski> barrydrake: aloha and welcome, can you tell us about yourself
[21:42] <barrydrake> not a lot other than I've put in the wiki and profile
[21:42] <barrydrake> just to say that I'm passionate about Ubuntu
[21:42] <czajkowski> barrydrake: so how did you get involved in Ubuntu ?
[21:42] <popey> I have no questions.
[21:43] <barrydrake> Started using it for everything about a year ago, and began to get involved.  Love working on Ubuntu Adverts
[21:43] <UndiFineD> Ubuntu-Adverts would not be where it is today without barry
[21:43] <rafaellaguna> Fully agree
[21:43] <rafaellaguna> Not only graphically, but organizing the people
[21:44] <highvoltage> barrydrake: I'm sorry to admit, but I've never heard or the ubuntu-adverts team before reading your wiki page. Could you tell me a bit more about it?
[21:44] <barrydrake> Yes - it's a fairly new team but we are all determined to tell the world (some of it anyway) about Ubuntu
[21:45] <UndiFineD> it is like a revival of the dead marketing team
[21:46] <barrydrake> highvoltage - hey - come join us and find out for yourself
[21:47] <czajkowski> ogra_: stgraber highvoltage iulian popey any questions ?
[21:48] <highvoltage> I'm good czajkowski
[21:48] <popey> 21:42:38 < popey> I have no questions.
[21:48] <stgraber> nope, was just looking at the very very long list of ubuntu-advertising team members on LP :)
[21:48]  * ogra_ neither
[21:48] <iulian> Sorry, I was reading some of the ubuntu-adverts meeting logs.
[21:48] <iulian> No questions.
[21:48] <stgraber> 136 members, that's a lot of people
[21:48] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the membership of barrydrake . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE.
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[21:49] <ogra_> stgraber, for a team that successfully hides from highvoltage !
[21:49] <highvoltage> heh
[21:49] <popey> -1 - I appreciate the work you do in UK and -adverts, but I'd like to see a more significant sustained set of work to measure, maybe in 3 months or so.
[21:49] <MootBot> -1 received from popey. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
[21:50] <iulian> +0
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[21:50] <ogra_> +0
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[21:50] <stgraber> +0
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[21:50] <czajkowski> -1 I'd like to see you come back in a few more months time with more work documented.
[21:50] <MootBot> -1 received from czajkowski. 0 for, 2 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now -2
[21:50] <highvoltage> +0 [ good work and half-way there, just need to work on the 'sustained' part ]
[21:50] <MootBot> Abstention received from highvoltage. 0 for, 2 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now -2
[21:50] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:50] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 2 against. 4 abstained. Total: -2
[21:50] <czajkowski> barrydrake: at this time you've been unsucessful, please do come back again though
[21:50] <barrydrake> That's OK - I'll come back in a while - thanks
[21:51] <popey> thanks barrydrake !
[21:51] <czajkowski> [topic] Claudinux
[21:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Claudinux
[21:51] <Claudinux> hi there
[21:51] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClaudioArseni
[21:51] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClaudioArseni
[21:51] <czajkowski> Claudinux: aloha
[21:51] <Claudinux> hi czajkowski
[21:51] <popey> nice testimonials there, from Luca and Paolo
[21:52] <Claudinux> popey,  :-)
[21:52] <czajkowski> nice page :)
[21:52] <Claudinux> thank you czajkowski
[21:52] <czajkowski> Claudinux: how did you get involved in the Ubuntu it loco ?
[21:53] <popey> https://translations.launchpad.net/~claudio.arseni/+activity  nice chunk of translations there
[21:53] <highvoltage> Claudinux: what does the italian testing team do? iso testing and stuff with the QA team?
[21:53] <Claudinux> czajkowski, ezpaecially in translations
[21:54] <popey> highvoltage: I've met the guys from the italian testing team at UDS, they do amazing work.
[21:54] <Claudinux> highvoltage, yes
[21:54] <czajkowski> I've no more questions
[21:54] <popey> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoTest
[21:54] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoTest
[21:54] <charlie-tca__> Italian testing team does track most of the laptop testing, I believe.
[21:54] <highvoltage> No further questions
[21:54] <Claudinux> yes charlie-tca__ it's true
[21:55] <popey> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoTest/Casi/Svolti   <--
[21:55] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoTest/Casi/Svolti   <--
[21:55] <popey> i have no further questions
[21:55]  * iulian has no questions.
[21:55]  * ogra_ has no questions either
[21:55] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the membership of Claudinux. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE.
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[21:55] <czajkowski> +1 EXCELLENT WORK
[21:55] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:56] <highvoltage> +1 [ doing much-needed testing, translations and otherwise LoCo involvement ]
[21:56] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:56] <popey> +1 for great translations and awesome work with ISO testing!
[21:56] <ogra_> +1
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[21:56] <iulian> +1 great work!
[21:56] <MootBot> +1 received from iulian. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:56] <stgraber> +1 It's for QA, translations and loco involvment
[21:56] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[21:56] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:56] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[21:56] <popey> \o/ nice one Claudinux
[21:56] <Claudinux> uh, thanks all
[21:56] <czajkowski> Claudinux: welcome aboard!
[21:56] <Claudinux> :-D
[21:56] <charlie-tca__> Congratulations, Claudinux. Keep up the great work!
[21:56]  * warp10 hugs Claudinux
[21:56] <highvoltage> congratulations and welcome Claudinux
[21:56] <czajkowski> [topic] aquarius
[21:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  aquarius
[21:56]  * popey adds Claudinux to ~ubuntumembers
[21:56] <iulian> Congratulations Claudinux and welcome aboard.
[21:56] <warp10> Claudinux: Bella zio! \o/
[21:56] <popey> time is running out
[21:56] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StuartLangridge
[21:56] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StuartLangridge
[21:57] <Claudinux> warp10, \o/
[21:57] <JFo> \o/ I didn't have the time necessary to give aquarius a proper recommendation, but I'd like to heartily endorse his candidacy here. :-)
[21:57] <popey> CC meeting coming up, no time for this aquarius chancer
[21:57] <popey> ;)
[21:57] <czajkowski> lol
[21:57] <Claudinux> thanks folks :-)
[21:57] <czajkowski> aquarius: up fast
[21:57] <JFo> congrats Claudinux
[21:57] <cjwatson> reload aquarius' page; I just added another late-breaking testimonial :-)
[21:57] <czajkowski> aquarius: oi oi
[21:57] <Claudinux> thanks JFo
[21:57] <JFo> ah hah! you had it locked cjwatson ;-)
[21:57] <aquarius> Hi, I'm Stuart, and I'm in the UK. I've been an Ubuntu user since the first warty release, and I've frequently given talks about Ubuntu and cool things that can be done with it, as well as hacking myself!
[21:57] <aquarius> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StuartLangridge lists some talks that I gave for Ubuntu-specific developer weeks and open weeks about rhythmbox, desktopcouch, and other things)
[21:57] <popey> I have no questions for aquarius
[21:57] <Pendulum> cjwatson: because he didn't already have enough awesome testimonials? ;-)
[21:58] <aquarius> thanks JFo and cjwatson ;)
[21:58] <ogra_> wow, so many cheerleaders here
[21:58] <iulian> No questions from me either.  Ready to vote.
[21:58] <cjwatson> I've rarely found additional ones to hurt
[21:58] <aquarius> kenvandine is also prepared to testify, I believe, if required
[21:58]  * stgraber is ready to vote
[21:58] <JFo> very welcome aquarius
[21:58]  * kenvandine can't say enough cool stuff about aquarius
[21:58] <czajkowski> I think based on the testimonials and the cheering folks here, I've no questions.
[21:58]  * popey is ready to vote
[21:58]  * ogra_ is ready to vote 
[21:58] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the membership of aquarius . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE.
[21:58] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the membership of aquarius . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE..
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[21:58] <popey> +1
[21:58] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:58] <stgraber> +1
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[21:59] <ogra_> +1
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[21:59] <czajkowski> +1 EXCELLENT WORK
[21:59] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:59] <iulian> +1 definitely
[21:59] <MootBot> +1 received from iulian. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:59] <highvoltage> I didn't even have a chance to finish typing my questions, I'm abstaining
[21:59] <highvoltage> +0
[21:59] <MootBot> Abstention received from highvoltage. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:59] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:59] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5
[21:59] <czajkowski> aquarius: well done and welcome aboard
[21:59] <charlie-tca__> Congratulations, aquarius
[21:59] <Pendulum> aquarius: congrats!
[21:59] <ogra_> congrats aquarius
[21:59] <iulian> Congrats aquarius.
[21:59] <JFo> congrats aquarius !!
[21:59] <JFo> \o\  /o/  \o\  /o/
[21:59] <popey> sorry highvoltage
[21:59] <aquarius> highvoltage, I'm happy to have a private conversation to help fill in some details?
[21:59] <czajkowski> popey: do we have time for the last one or is the CC ready to go this second ?
[22:00] <highvoltage> aquarius: congratulations and welcome anyway :)
[22:00] <aquarius> You are all most kind. Thank you. I hope I do you justice.
[22:00] <kenvandine> aquarius, thanks for being awesome, proud to have you as a member :)
[22:00]  * popey adds an extra ginger to ~ubuntumembers
[22:00] <aquarius> :-)
[22:00] <m4n1sh> aquarius: congrats!
[22:00] <iulian> Heh.
[22:00] <popey> czajkowski: go for it
[22:00] <sabdfl> congrats aquarius
[22:00] <czajkowski> [topic] TeTeT
[22:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  TeTeT
[22:01] <jderose> woot! aquarius!
[22:01] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TorstenSpindler
[22:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TorstenSpindler
[22:01] <aquarius> thanks, sabdfl, jderose, m4n1sh. I appreciate your support :)
[22:01] <sabdfl> i just showed up in time for the applause :-)
[22:01] <TeTeT> Hi all, unlike my well prepared colleague aquarius I don't have any fancy testimonials on my wiki page
[22:01] <JFo> sabdfl, better late than never ;)
[22:02] <sabdfl> a familiar refrain :-)
[22:02] <JFo> indeed
[22:02] <highvoltage> TeTeT: what's your Launchpad ID?
[22:02] <czajkowski> TeTeT: so can you tell us a bit about your work please?
[22:02] <TeTeT> I added myself late to the EMEA wiki as I intended to apply during the Asian meeting, but there was noone there this morning
[22:02] <JFo> usually said to me though :-P
[22:02] <popey> TeTeT: if you want to postpone and come back at the next meeting when you have more testimonials, we'd be happy with that :D
[22:03] <czajkowski> TeTeT: sorry about that, welcome to our meeting :)n
[22:03] <TeTeT> highvoltage: tspindler
[22:03] <iulian> highvoltage: https://launchpad.net/~tspindler
[22:03] <TeTeT> I support Ubuntu since 2006 and work for Canonical since then
[22:03] <popey> I am aware of TeTeT's work, so have no questions.
[22:03]  * ogra_ knows TeTeT since years and also knows his countelss hours he put into promoting ubuntu professionally
[22:03] <TeTeT> I filed quite a number of bugs, triaged some (mostly apt related lately) and fixed a few
[22:03] <ogra_> no questions from me
[22:03] <nikyr0x> TeTeT: What do you think about this new Windows 8's ribbon thing?
[22:03] <TeTeT> for the community the biggest chunk was probably the ubuntu desktop course
[22:04] <TeTeT> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-course
[22:04] <TeTeT> nikyr0x: I don't know anything about it I fear
[22:04] <TeTeT> but as the desktop course is based on 8.04, it's a bit old by now
[22:04] <highvoltage> TeTeT: do you do any Ubuntu work outside of what's part of your Canonical job?
[22:04] <TeTeT> so I moved on to the new big things and UEC
[22:04] <czajkowski> stgraber: iulian comments?
[22:04] <TeTeT> highvoltage: yes, I do a fair bit of apt bug triaging during weekends
[22:04] <stgraber> nope
[22:05] <iulian> No, good to go.
[22:05] <TeTeT> also I tend to work on UEC stuff like the uec scheduler for testing, https://code.launchpad.net/~tspindler/junk/uec-scheduler
[22:05] <TeTeT> and with smoser we recently started uec persistency, which I presented during the ubuntu cloud days
[22:06] <highvoltage> I have no other questions
[22:06] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the membership of TeTeT. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE.
[22:06] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the membership of TeTeT. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE..
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[22:06] <ogra_> +1
[22:06] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[22:06] <iulian> +0
[22:06] <MootBot> Abstention received from iulian. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[22:06] <czajkowski> +0
[22:06] <MootBot> Abstention received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 1
[22:06] <popey> +1
[22:06] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 2 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 2
[22:06] <stgraber> +0
[22:06] <MootBot> Abstention received from stgraber. 2 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 2
[22:06] <highvoltage> +1 [ Training, support and bug triagins efforts ]
[22:06] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 3 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 3
[22:06] <czajkowski> hmm we have a tie
[22:07] <popey> hrm.
[22:07] <czajkowski> and we're missing drubin
[22:07] <highvoltage> that's not a tie, that's a+3
[22:07] <highvoltage> a +3, even
[22:07] <ogra_> yeah
[22:07] <czajkowski> we need a 3 +1 as we now have 7 on the board.
[22:07] <IdleOne> I motion for sabdfl to be a deciding vote
[22:07] <ogra_> heh
[22:07] <popey> hah
[22:07] <popey> was wondering who would be first to suggest that :)
[22:07]  * highvoltage looks up our charter just to be sure if we have something written about this
[22:07] <sabdfl> well
[22:08] <iulian> Hmm.
[22:08] <IdleOne> don't know if that is allowed or not but seems like a good idea to me
[22:08] <sabdfl> torsten has done a huge amount of amazing work getting ubuntu to star in some surprising places
[22:08] <ogra_> ++
[22:08] <popey> let down by a hastily prepped wiki page?
[22:08] <sabdfl> we are very clear with canonical folks, that they should aspire to ubuntu membership, but it's about participation and contribution to ubuntu, not canonical
[22:09] <TeTeT> if you need an updated wiki page I can come back in a month or two and try again, no big issue for me
[22:09] <sabdfl> in this case, i would happily +1 TeTeT, but i think if he came back with a better wiki page documenting what he's already done
[22:09] <sabdfl> it wouldn't need a bdfl
[22:09] <popey> great
[22:09] <sabdfl> TeTeT: that ok by you?
[22:09] <highvoltage> sabdfl: so would that be a +1 or +0 from you?
[22:09] <stgraber> If it was possible I'd have voted +0.5 because of the wiki page, I'm fine switching it to a +1 if that helps
[22:09] <popey> i dont think sabdfl is suggesting he votes
[22:09] <sabdfl> definitely +1 but i think TeTeT might want to come back and take care of this himself?
[22:10] <popey> TeTeT has offered to edit the page, come back next month, should be a breeze.
[22:10] <TeTeT> sabdfl: fine for me
[22:10] <popey> sounds like a plan to me
[22:10] <highvoltage> ok, that sounds good
[22:10] <czajkowski> I think if he comes back with a more detailed wiki page with testiminoals like other wiki pages I'd change my vote
[22:10] <sabdfl> awesome, and from me, thanks for all you've done
[22:10] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[22:10] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 3 abstained. Total: 3
[22:10] <sabdfl> majic!
[22:10] <TeTeT> fair enough, thanks
[22:10] <popey> we have one last late entrant
[22:10] <czajkowski> TeTeT: please do come back again with testimonals on your wiki page :)
[22:10] <TeTeT> sabdfl: thanks :)
[22:10] <popey> who arrived on the list because the AsiaPac board failed to meet
[22:11]  * iulian refreshes the page.
[22:11]  * head_victim did
[22:11] <popey> I realise we're already eating into cc time, can we still continue?
[22:11] <czajkowski> popey: sabdfl do we have time for one last one ??
[22:11] <head_victim> Sorry for that :/ Wasn't sure I'd be awake in time for this meeting so only added at last minute.
[22:11]  * sabdfl checks the CC agenda
[22:11] <popey> mind the tumbleweed
[22:12] <sabdfl> go for it :-)
[22:12] <czajkowski> [topic] head_victim
[22:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  head_victim
[22:12] <pleia2> the agenda hasn't been updated with the items dholbach suggested this morning
[22:12] <paultag> o/
[22:12] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris
[22:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris
[22:12] <head_victim> Thank you for considering me
[22:12] <highvoltage> head_victim: I find your local self-supported shipit interesting, how did you do it?
[22:12] <czajkowski> head_victim: aloha care to tell us about yourself
[22:12] <ogra_> wow, a local shipit !
[22:12] <popey> pleia2: do you have a moment to add them as we deal with head_victim ?
[22:12] <head_victim> highvoltage: posted burnt copies to people free of charge.
[22:12] <pleia2> popey: working through the list now
[22:13] <popey> thanks pleia2
[22:13] <head_victim> I asked for volunteers to help post and I ask for recipients to request them.
[22:13] <highvoltage> head_victim: there's more responsibilies on loco teams now for distributing CD's, so it would be great if you could share information about it
[22:13] <czajkowski> impressive wiki page and lots of testimonials :D
[22:13] <head_victim> highvoltage: I lined up people and organised it that way so the cost of postage wasn't all on one persons head
[22:13] <iulian> Hm, indeed.
[22:13] <paultag> I cheer for head_victim -- I'd like to advocate head_victim in every way I can. I feel that he is everything and Ubuntu Member should be, and really raises the bar in a way I don't often see. head_victim is outstandingly nice and overly helpful. His work in the Ubuntu Beginners Team is commendable, and very consistent. I have zero qualms with changing head_victim's email in my contact book to @ubuntu.com, that's for sure. Please consider his
[22:13] <head_victim> I'm a wiki nerd sorry.
[22:13] <popey> thanks paultag !
[22:14] <paultag> providing he posts up some info about the AU CD program, of course :)
[22:14] <czajkowski> head_victim: no it's great!
[22:14] <czajkowski> I've no questions, all the info is there :D
[22:14] <ogra_> ++
[22:14] <head_victim> I try to be prepared for all occasions.
[22:14]  * charlie-tca__ will say head_victim has done outstanding helping new people in #ubuntu-beginners and working on the wiki. 
[22:14] <highvoltage> paultag: :)
[22:14]  * stgraber is ready
[22:14] <highvoltage> I have no further questions
[22:14] <highvoltage> (and my lift is poking me)
[22:14]  * iulian is ready to vote too.
[22:14]  * popey is ready
[22:14] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the membership of head_victim . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE.
[22:14] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the membership of head_victim . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE..
[22:14] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[22:14] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[22:15] <ogra_> +1
[22:15] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[22:15] <czajkowski> +1 EASY
[22:15] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[22:15] <head_victim> I'm more than happy to be contacted for details on a local shipit from anyone wanting more details.
[22:15] <iulian> +1
[22:15] <MootBot> +1 received from iulian. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[22:15] <czajkowski> well done and welcome aboard
[22:15] <highvoltage> +1 [ great work and very good feedback from everyone he has worked with ]
[22:15] <popey> +1 awesome work and great testimonials. keep it up, and I want to see blog posts about the CD program on planet Ubuntu!
[22:15] <stgraber> +1
[22:15] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[22:15] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[22:15] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[22:15] <paultag> Thank ya'll so much for adding in head_victim to the docket so late :)
[22:15] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[22:15] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[22:15] <head_victim> czajkowski: thank you, next approval I'm hoping to get is for the loco
[22:15] <ogra_> paultag, thank the CC
[22:15] <highvoltage> head_victim: congratulations and welcome
[22:15] <paultag> 'grats head_victim :)
[22:15] <charlie-tca__> Congratulations, head_victim. Keep up the great work for the community!
[22:15] <czajkowski> head_victim: thanks well done !
[22:15] <iulian> Congratulations head_victim.
[22:15] <UndiFineD> congratualtions head_victim
[22:15] <paultag> ogra_: truth :)
[22:15] <head_victim> Thank you all, sorry for the late notice
[22:15] <czajkowski> [endmeeting]
[22:15] <czajkowski> grrrr
[22:15] <czajkowski> one day I'll remember!
[22:15] <iulian> :)
[22:15]  * popey adds head_victim to ~ubuntumembers
[22:15] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[22:15] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:15.
[22:15] <popey> \o/
[22:15] <highvoltage> and thanks for the CC for letting us step into their time
[22:16] <ogra_> yeah
[22:16] <popey> thanks everyone!
[22:16] <paultag> thanks CC :)
[22:16] <highvoltage> s/for the CC/to the CC/g
[22:16] <iulian> Yup, appreciate it.
[22:16] <sabdfl> well done all
[22:16] <czajkowski> thank you to all that came! and the CC for being patient
[22:16] <Pendulum> head_victim: congrats!
[22:16] <czajkowski> not I'm going to have my dinner!
[22:16] <czajkowski> *now
[22:16] <hajour> wel deserved head_victim  you have helped me also often
[22:16] <hajour> sorry was a moment away
[22:16] <popey> #startmeeting
[22:16] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:16. The chair is popey.
[22:16] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[22:16] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[22:17] <popey> Who's here for the CC meeting?
[22:17]  * JFo lurks
[22:17] <popey> I hear Technoviking is on flaky wifi
[22:17] <sabdfl> o/
[22:17] <pleia2> o/
[22:17] <pleia2> work is going to drag me off in a few minutes though
[22:17] <Technoviking> I'm on ethernet now, should be good
[22:17] <popey> we're missing dholbach, mako, persia, mdke
[22:18] <popey> [TOPIC] Governance Boards (staffing, feedback/reports)
[22:18] <sabdfl> ethernet. sounds like medication ;-)
[22:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Governance Boards (staffing, feedback/reports)
[22:18] <popey> over to you pleia2
[22:18] <pleia2> so the first concern is the low number of nominees for our latest restaffing call for the regional boards
[22:19] <pleia2> any thoughts on how we can improve this? (anyone can reply, we need ideas!)
[22:19] <popey> press gang people into doing it
[22:19] <pleia2> currently it's announced to a few mailing lists and posted to ubuntu-news
[22:19] <pleia2> hehe
[22:19] <czajkowski> perhaps more info on what board people do? what it entails, kinda like a mini interview and get it translated
[22:19] <ajmitch> popey: that certainly won't help with getting quorum for meetings :)
[22:19] <popey> make it an obligation of membership :)
[22:19] <czajkowski> I got a few pms asking what was needed and the times it is on at
[22:19] <pleia2> for reference, this is what our last call looked like: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2011-January/001245.html
[22:20] <paultag> I think encouraging "younger" ubuntu members to apply for these spots, a lot of people are fearful of applying to something they can full well handle
[22:20] <paultag> it's tough to keep picking from the oldest few percent
[22:21] <ajmitch> some of it will be due to people unsure if they can commit to a time for ~2 years
[22:21] <pleia2> czajkowski: suggestions on what to add to such an announcement are quite welcome (it includes time and obligations, filling in what is missing would be great)
[22:21] <czajkowski> pleia2: time is a big issue, and perhaps it should be noted, that the time slot could be changed as well in order to get more people to take part.
[22:21] <sabdfl> it's true, the equivalent responsibility fell on very young shoulders the first years of the project, there's only a requirement for good judgement and a commitment to the project, matched with a willingness to say know when it doesn't feel right
[22:22] <sabdfl> should we consider splitting the timezones differently?
[22:22] <popey> I still think we should have one board
[22:22] <popey> and replace people who don't turn up
[22:22] <pleia2> I think both the EMEA and Americas boards do ok time zone wise, I think APAC is a problem because it covers half the world
[22:22] <czajkowski> I'm for replacing pepole who dont turn up
[22:22] <czajkowski> but not one board
[22:23] <pleia2> I suggested to dholbach that we have a session to discuss this at UDS
[22:23] <popey> if we can't find enough people to staff the three boards we currently have, I can't see us finding enough people to staff more boards (assuming APAC was split)
[22:24] <popey> maybe we should give up on doing this over irc?
[22:24] <pleia2> we've tried doing this over mailing list and that thread got long and didn't go anywhere
[22:24] <UndiFineD> is this an invitation to apply ?
[22:24] <pleia2> oh, I mean this discussion :)
[22:24] <czajkowski> pleia2: we;ve found doing it via a bug for the LC re approvals and them making it public after it
[22:24] <czajkowski> so we can poke people to vote and hurry up
[22:25] <pleia2> czajkowski: I hadn't even thought about that
[22:25] <ajmitch> mailing list decisions need to have a defined time - saying that there will be a vote X days after an application is submitted
[22:25] <Pendulum> the bug idea is interesting
[22:25] <popey> would it not be easier to have people just fill in a google form, and each of the board members reads at their leisure and ticks the boxes.
[22:25] <Pendulum> I do think anything on a mailing list or not on IRC needs a time-frame
[22:25] <czajkowski> pleia2: IRC doesn';t always work, but a bug does and you can track it and then kick people to go vote when they need to do so
[22:25] <pleia2> czajkowski: *nod*
[22:25] <sabdfl> UndiFineD: no, we're trying to understand how to shape this, not seeking applicants right now, but an email to the cc would be appreciated!
[22:25] <czajkowski> why not try it with one board as a test case and see how it goes?>
[22:25] <head_victim> As a *very* recent applicant the bug idea sounds great to me.
[22:26] <paultag> +1 to bugs, the LC uses it really well
[22:26] <paultag> I have the code in lp:locolint
[22:26] <sabdfl> what about contentious cases?
[22:27] <sabdfl> if we're brainstorming, what about a SAAS solution like Taleo
[22:27] <popey> do we have many of those?
[22:27] <sabdfl> we use it for hiring, but essentially, it supports a gated interview / review / decision process
[22:27] <sabdfl> it's SAAS and not afaik FLOSS
[22:28] <sabdfl> but it might work very well, and serve as an inspiration to someone to knock up a FLOSS version
[22:28] <czajkowski> sabdfl: we open all the LC bugs after we;ve voted just keep ir private so we can poke the others to vote and hurry people up
[22:28] <sabdfl> right, but if you're going to open it up, you can't speak very frankly about downsides to the application
[22:29] <sabdfl> i suppose IRC has the same issue :-)
[22:29] <paultag> sabdfl: it's no different then IRC
[22:29] <paultag> aye :)
[22:29] <czajkowski> exactly
[22:29] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from me
[22:29] <ajmitch> irc is quite public at the moment, so closing it may not be a good idea
[22:29] <czajkowski> and everyone is respectful either way on irc or on a bug
[22:29] <popey> i dont mind what tool is used, just something less synchronous
[22:29] <sabdfl> can we agree to try it?
[22:29] <popey> something easy to use that people don't feel is too onerous would be good
[22:29] <popey> something where people can fill in answers to specific questions we always ask might be beneficial
[22:30] <sabdfl> is this a proposal for APAC specifically, because of TZ's, if it works we could encourage other DMB's to do so?
[22:30] <pleia2> yeah
[22:30] <sabdfl> +1
[22:30] <Technoviking> I fine with trying this idea, +1
[22:30] <sabdfl> again :-)
[22:30] <pleia2> ok, maybe we brainstorm this more, bring it to the councils list and revisit at the next meeting?
[22:30] <ajmitch> with that, you wouldn't need to have people from the APAC region on the board
[22:31] <czajkowski> if you like the EMEA can be a test board...
[22:31] <czajkowski> and we can report next month ?
[22:32] <popey> yup
[22:32] <popey> sorry, I appear to be lagging
[22:33] <pleia2> EMEA as test board sounds good
[22:33] <czajkowski> if you like I cna blog about this tomorrow and explain what wil happen to next months meeting and then we can re blog and let people know again closer to the time
[22:34] <popey> czajkowski: hold off the blogging until we have talked to the rmb about it :)
[22:34] <czajkowski> okie dokie
[22:35] <pleia2> the other portion of this regional boards this is feedback/reports, popey brought up a concern about boards having different standards and it was suggested to go back to reporting a list of new members to -news and -CC (Dev board and Americas still do this, but the other RMBs don't) so there is further review by more eyes than those who just watch lp additoins to ~ubuntumembers
[22:35] <popey> +1
[22:35] <pleia2> plus it gets their names in UWN :) (once UWN comes back...)
[22:35] <pleia2> their == new members
[22:35] <paultag> I loved having my name in UWN way back then :)
[22:35] <popey> we (EMEA) can certainly start doing that.
[22:35] <ajmitch> oh, for the days when new developers were announced to ubuntu-devel :)
[22:36] <pleia2> Americas also copies the emails we send out to the monthly TeamReports, so it shows up there too along other councils
[22:36] <popey> ok, so is that two agreed items for EMEA? trialling bugs for membership, and sending out notifications of new members?
[22:37] <pleia2> that's all from me (and I need to run back to work anyway :))
[22:37] <sabdfl> if we use an async mechanism, do we need tz-specific RMB's?
[22:37] <popey> well, exactly
[22:38] <pleia2> probably not
[22:38] <ajmitch> no, though I think there'd be some time trialling it before you merge them all into one
[22:38] <sabdfl> ok, sounds like a rough guide, let's trial it and see
[22:38] <sabdfl> that a wrap?
[22:39] <popey> Anyone got anything else?
[22:39] <popey> (I dont)
[22:40] <popey> ok, lets end it there then.
[22:40] <popey> #endmeeting
[22:40] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:40.
[22:40] <Technoviking> thanks all
[22:40] <popey> thanks!
[22:44] <sabdfl> phew
[22:44] <sabdfl> thanks all
[22:44] <sabdfl> CC, i think we should setup a phone call
[22:45] <sabdfl> we have a lot to discuss, and it's been a very long time since we spoke by voice
[22:45] <pleia2> I'm on vacation 8-16, but otherwise my schedule is pretty flexible for a call
[22:47] <sabdfl> ok, i'll send out a mail