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bazhanglarious is still trying to install this "free internet" thing, he claims00:16
rww#ubuntu very bad english make rww brain hurt why00:26
Picirww is not smrt, smrt00:26
LjLrww: if you want i can hit you on the head so it has a reason to hurt00:27
rwwgo hit the floodbots and/or freenode on the head instead :(00:28
rwwWARNING: spurious PING reply from yourface, probably heavy lag00:28
LjLWARNING: yourmom is not replying, removing limit00:29
rwwWARNING: yourdad has lasted ten rounds, 'why' to know why00:29
* LjL snorts00:29
* rww facepalms02:36
Pici?02:36
rwwUser asks what to do when they encounter error, pastes error that tells them exactly what to do.02:36
Picithe ruby one?02:37
rwwja02:37
tonyyarussorww: hehe03:05
tonyyarussorww: Am I allowed to be infuriated when the "telling them exactly what to do" is "Consult your network administator", when the person getting the error IS the network administrator (me) still?03:06
rwwtonyyarusso: not sure, ask your network administrator03:06
tonyyarusso:P03:06
IdleOnehaha03:09
rwwLubuntu still comes with a PPA enabled by default for natty, too. I guess still not official :<04:31
IdleOneI think canonical would of announced it by now if Lubuntu was official04:32
tonyyarussoIdleOne: "would HAVE"04:43
IdleOneyes, that is what I said :P04:43
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bazhangapt-fast?08:12
bazhanghttp://www.mattparnell.com/linux/apt-fast/08:13
FlannelBesides the initial "install axel if you don't have it", it looks safe08:23
KB1JWQWhat's it do?08:42
KB1JWQhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1512866 Kinda explains it, but half of the words make me think I've suffered a stroke.08:43
Flannelit just uses axel as a "download accellerator" (multiple connections per file, yadda yadda)08:46
Flannelthen once you've got the debs in your cache, it does the normal apt-get command, which sees the file already there, and continues08:47
Tm_Tdownload accelerator... bah08:53
FlannelI always thought download accelerators went out of fashion like a decade ago08:55
ikoniathey are08:56
ikoniaubottu isn't responding to any !info commands in pm - but others are fine09:26
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)09:26
bazhangworks here09:27
ikonia09:24 <ikonia> !info yelp09:28
ikonia09:26 <ikonia> !ping09:28
ikonia09:26 <ubottu> Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to09:28
ikonia               respond to factoid requests. Call that job satisfaction?09:28
ikonia               Because I don't.09:28
ikonia09:26 <ikonia> !info yelp09:28
ikonia09:28 <ikonia> !info openssh-server09:28
ikoniaother commands respond, but no !info ones09:28
bazhangyelp (source: yelp): Help browser for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 2.30.1-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 366 kB, installed size 4568 kB09:29
bazhangperhaps try @login09:29
ikoniaI get it in the channels, just not in pm09:29
ikonia@login09:29
ubottuThe operation succeeded.09:29
bazhangI get it both places09:29
ikoniastill nothing in pm09:30
ikoniawhat's the ! for china ?09:30
Jordan_U!cn09:30
ubottuFor Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道:打字 /join #ubuntu-cn 或者 打字 /join #ubuntu-tw  或者 打字 /join #ubuntu-hk09:30
Flannelikonia: Do it in PM without the bang09:30
ikoniawhy did I not thing that was china ?09:30
ikoniaFlannel: better, thank you09:30
bazhanghe's asking if you can read chinese when he types that out09:37
bburhansIt's only one line, would you like me to paste, ikonia?10:28
ikoniahey bburhans could you explain what's going on10:28
ikoniasure10:28
ikonia(didn't want to advertise it in #ubuntu)10:28
bburhansof course.10:29
ikoniathanks for joining10:29
bburhansThe following was a PM with more horrific colors (I'll spare you that nuance): <ANADOLU>  hai friends anda menggunakan MIRC silakan ketik /server irc.AngelEyez.Net OR DOUBLE click ---> irc://irc.AngelEyez.Net/ABADIKARYA  ---> click YES ---> click OK10:29
bburhansI looked up anadolu's hostname and I found moinica, anadolu shares no channels with me but moinica shares #ubuntu with me, so I guess it's moinica's spambot.10:29
ikoniasame ident too10:30
bburhansyep.10:30
ikoniabburhans: I'll look into it with the others10:30
ikoniabburhans: thanks for letting us know, appreciated10:30
bburhansikonia, no problem. If you need anything else, feel free to PM me. My client won't autojoin this on invite, but I can join manually if I'm not away. Cheers.10:31
ikoniathanks10:32
ikoniaanyone any thoughts on that, known spammer of offensive content irc network, spamming links, same host/ident ?10:37
jussi!staff | spammer, please remove.10:37
ubottuspammer, please remove.: hey Christel, Dave2, Gary, KB1JWQ, Levia, Martinp23, SportsChick, VorTechS, jayne, jenda, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, stew or tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :)10:37
jussitheres my comment :)10:37
ikoniastaff are already dealing with it in #freenode10:37
ikoniathis is another nick on the same host/ident10:38
jussiexactly same host?10:38
ikoniayes10:38
ikonia10:29 -!- ANADOLU [~selly@114.79.52.195]10:38
ikonia10:30 -!- moinica [~selly@114.79.52.195]10:38
jussiso, if staff deal with the spammer, Im fairly sure the other user will be dealt with, no??10:39
ikoniaI don't know10:40
ikoniahence asking for opinions on the user in #ubuntu10:40
tomaware they still there?10:40
ikoniayes10:40
ikoniaahhh10:40
ikoniawrong, gone10:40
ikoniadid it while I was talking10:40
ikoniathank you10:41
knomeIdleOne, re: conversation earlier, sigue seems to have bad connection issues again (and is not replying), so i'm banforwarding him to ##fix_your_connection. let's wait for a day or so, or even wait until (s)he replies anything12:43
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from hu)13:05
ikoniaPici: what happened with that ban I set ?13:07
Pici*!hu@*.sbcglobal.net doesn't match hu!~hu@adsl-75-10-108-54.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net13:08
LjLit was dodged :P13:08
LjLah13:08
ikoniaI got that part13:08
ikoniaI don't know what the ~ is for ?13:08
LjLikonia: ~ means you didn't have an identd responding when you connected13:08
LjLif you don't have the ~, then an identd responded13:08
LjLwhich could mean everything or nothing, really. it's sort of meaningful when it comes from a shell provider13:09
LjLit means that unless the shell provider itself is cheating, the user can't change the ident13:09
PiciSince it was a rather wide ban, I felt it was better to explicitly say ~ rather than replacing it with ?13:09
ikoniaso how did he get passed the *!hu!@*.his-isp.com13:09
LjLPici: i don't think ? even works, ? doesn't match zero characters, does it?13:09
* Pici shrugs13:09
LjLPici: must use * now i believe13:10
LjLikonia: "~hu" is not "hu" as far as ban matching is concerned13:10
Piciikonia: And he was never hu!hu@*13:10
ikoniasorry, I'm missing it13:11
ikoniahe was "hu" nick and "hu" ident13:11
LjLno, the ident was "~hu"13:11
ikoniaahhh13:12
ikoniaok, I see it13:12
ikoniasorry, just clicked13:12
ikoniathank you13:12
ikoniaguys - I want to review the "non-standard-ubuntu-distro" support for things like VPS15:59
ikoniaI've just wasted time on a VPS box that's modified by the vendor to use a Redhat kernel, and the sudoers file is non standard as are other things16:00
ikoniaI feel pretty strong that we shouldn't be supporting this stuff, we don't support mint/backtrack/others which are almost identical, but we do support these man-hacked distros16:00
ikoniawhy are we giving out time to these people who hack a free distro and then charge for it16:01
macoLjL: i thought ? was specifically for 0 or 1 characters16:10
tsimpsonmaco: '?' is for any single character, but exactly one of them. like the '.' in regexp16:11
tsimpson'*' is equivalent to '.*' in regexp16:12
macothis isnt regex?16:13
tsimpsonno, it's IRC specific stuff16:13
tsimpsonIRC only has '.' and '*' for pattern matching anyway16:13
macooh16:14
tsimpsonerm, '?' not '.'16:14
tsimpsonsee, confusing... ;)16:14
tsimpsonit probably gets turned into regex on the server, but the protocol only defines the two pattern matching operators16:15
popeyikonia: how about because the official support for ubuntu server in a VPS is pretty bad16:18
popeyikonia: so people end up running oddball stuff because the stock ubuntu stuff flat out does not work16:19
popeye.g. xen.16:19
jribikonia: I think it's fine to have people ask for support as long as they disclose that their system is modified.  Especially, because there isn't an irc alternative to turn them to.  Leave it up to the helpers if they want to help16:20
popeysometimes people don't know their system is modified16:20
popeybecause it was modified by the vps vendor16:20
macoi was surprised to learn my vps runs an alternative kernel16:26
popeythe vendor I use used to use debian 2.6.18 kernels for a long time because the Ubuntu ones are broken16:28
popeyhe filed a bug16:28
popeythen16:28
popeyhttp://tumbleweed.popey.com/16:28
jribhmm, I expected it to move across my screen16:34
jrib(and rotate)16:35
jpdspopey: jrib would like that HTML5'ed.16:35
jribI dragged it with my mouse16:35
ikoniajrib: a lot of the people don't know it's modifed16:37
popeypatches welcome16:37
ikoniajrib: thes vendors can do what they want, and not have to deal with it as official ubuntu services such as community support pick up the slack16:37
ikoniapopey: fully agree ubuntu server stock is a poor option, but then that's the server team to take the feedback and make it more usable16:37
popeyyup16:37
popeymeanwhile16:38
popeyLTS still in the wild, people still asking for support.16:38
jribikonia: but if the user doesn't know its modified, then there's really nothing we can ask of the user16:38
ikoniabut these are not the LTS distros16:38
ikoniajrib: no, I appreciate that, if they don't know, they are not trying to miss-lead16:38
ikoniahowever if support stops, people would think twice about purchasing this16:38
ikoniawe are essentially supporting a comercial product for free16:39
jribhmm16:39
ikoniaplus it conflicts with the stance of things like backtrack that we don't support16:39
ikoniaas that is modified ubuntu16:39
jribmy view has always been that there is a better place on irc to get support for things like backtrack16:40
popeythat wasn't really my point ikonia16:40
ikoniathere is also the risk that offering generic ubuntu support on a modified system will do damage to his system, as the commands I just gave did16:40
ikoniapopey: apologies if I missed it16:40
popeyi was pointing out there are many broken linux installs out there16:40
popeyand they will be for some time16:40
ikoniayes, and the broken ones we can fix and support16:40
ikonia(or try to)16:40
popeywe can do what we can to support them16:40
popeyyup16:41
popeyI don't like the idea of refusing support to people just because someone else has done their best to make Ubuntu work16:41
ikoniahowever comercial services/products that have been modified I don't believe we should be picking up16:41
popeylike adding a non-ubuntu kernel, or replacing sudo config with something more applicable16:41
ikoniapopey: using a redhat kernel is not making their ubuntu work16:41
ikonianor is changing the admin group to "sudo" group16:41
ikoniamy advice broke his machine16:41
ikoniathere was no need for that change16:41
popeyuhm16:41
popeyif I'm honest, thats your fault, not his16:42
ikoniawhy ?16:42
ikoniahe said he was running ubuntu16:42
popeyyou could have asked for a pastebin of his sudoers first16:42
ikoniapopey: why would I16:42
popeyand given him the mods16:42
popeybecause you can't possibly know whats in it16:42
popeyunless you ASS U ME16:42
ikoniahe said he added it to the sudoers group - it's the wrong group on ubuntu16:42
jribI think it's fair to assume someone is using stock ubuntu unless they say otherwise16:42
popeyyes, fair to assume16:42
popeybut not fair to refuse support16:42
ikoniawhy ?16:43
popeywhich is what ikonia is suggesting16:43
ikoniathese are comercial products16:43
ikoniawe don't support other non-comercial products16:43
popeythose two sentences don't make sense together16:43
ikoniawe are picking up the slack of poor vendor hacking16:43
ikoniathey won't start doing a better job16:43
ikoniawhich ones ?16:43
popey16:43:06 <+ikonia> these are comercial products16:43
popey16:43:15 <+ikonia> we don't support other non-comercial products16:43
ikoniasorry, I'll clarify16:43
ikoniawe are supporting comercial products - that make money for businesses becuase they do a poor job16:44
ikoniawe don't support other non-ubuntu noncomercial products that are for community benifit so why should we pickup someones business support16:44
popeyuhm16:44
popeydo we help people install skype?16:45
jribI think we can accomplish the same thing and at least help the user out when it's possible by just pointing out to the user that the system has been modified and it makes it harder to support.  To that end, they should contact their vendor first.  But if someone still wants to try and help out in #ubuntu, I don't think we should disallow that16:45
ikoniainstall yes, as that is the ubuntu product that does the install16:45
popeydo we help people configure their sound settings in skype?16:45
popey(I do)16:45
ikoniaI personally just feel bad that people (I) am giving my time to support someone who is making money out of selling ubuntu16:45
ikoniapopey: that is ubuntu configuration16:46
popeywut16:46
ikoniapopey: do we help people configure their sound settings on backtrack ?16:46
popeyI'm talking about the sound settings in skype16:46
popeynot ubuntu16:46
ikoniaI certainly don't as I'm not aware of any specific settings that need to be configured16:46
popeyand network settings in skype that give better connections16:46
ikoniaplus that's running an application on ubuntu16:46
popeythese are very specific and tenuous distinctions to make IMO16:47
ikoniawould you support my install if I installed a custom redhat kernel on there ?16:47
ikonia!custom-kernel16:47
popeyof course16:47
popeyif I could16:47
ikoniaI'm sure there is a factoid16:47
ikoniareally ?16:47
popeydepends what the issue is of course16:47
IdleOne!compile16:47
ubottuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)16:47
IdleOnehmm16:47
jribikonia: would you stop popey from supporting another user with a custom redhat kernel in #ubuntu?16:47
popeywhy wouldn't I?16:47
ikoniajrib: I'd certainly ask him not to16:47
jribhmm16:48
popeywhat could I possibly achieve by refusing to support another ubuntu user?16:48
popeyo_O16:48
ikoniawhere is the factoid for the customer kernel, one moment16:48
ikonia!kernel16:48
ubottuThe core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - See also: /msg ubottu stages16:48
ikoniadarn it16:48
popeyI dont believe barking factoids at me will change my opinion tbh16:48
IdleOneikonia: I thought !compile was it16:48
popeyit just reinforces that the decision has been made to type a "fact" into a bot16:49
ikonianah, there is one that says we don't support custom kernels16:49
popeyjust because there is a factoid about it, doesn't mean I agree with it16:49
ikoniapopey: not at all, if the stance is we support modified ubuntu, then we need to change the factoids16:49
ikoniapopey: a ton of the support processes in #ubuntu I don't agree with, and I don't think the bot makes it "fact"16:49
popeyok, i misunderstood why you were poking the bot16:49
ikoniahowever if there is a break in stance eg: it's not fact, but the bot issues it as factual information we need to alighn16:49
ikoniaalign16:50
jribikonia: personally, I think that if a conversation is related to ubuntu support and there is not a better place for it, then I don't mind it in #ubuntu16:50
ikoniapersonally, most of the stuff I don't mind, however if the bots are showing things are not supported, then we need to change them, or make the helpers aware that we don't support it and be in alignment16:51
popeyMy stance is that one component installed on an Ubuntu system should not render a system completely unsupportable in #ubuntu16:51
popeyobviously it depends what the issues are, the components are and so on, it's not black and white16:52
jribsure16:52
ikoniaI think we are stretching community effort to support comercial ubuntu custom builds with redhat based kernels and modified sudo files16:52
ikoniathose are pretty much "core" to it being ubuntu16:52
popeyi.e. if someone rocked up with a "why does ls show uid's and not usernames" question and we learn they have a RHEL kernel on their Ubuntu box, we should still try to support them.16:52
ikoniaok, I disagree on that16:53
ikoniait's ubuntu support not linux support,16:53
popeyls is shipped in ubuntu16:53
ikoniabut I'm happy to fall in line if that's the consensus16:53
popeyand is not part of the kernel16:53
ikoniapopey: so is an ubuntu kernel16:53
ikoniabut what else has been changed16:53
jribwell the decision to support or not is always up to the particular person doing the support.  I don't see why we should prevent one user from helping another, ever16:53
popeyyeah, and its not a kernel question16:53
ikoniayou're starting to pull apart a custom distro16:53
popeyok, and we can alert the user that "my advice may not apply because I have never used the combination you have, but _I_ would do the following ..."16:54
popeyits a fairly standard disclaimer16:54
ikoniawe may as well start supprting mint and back track then16:54
ikoniaas it's no different for them16:54
popeyrefusing support because one component is replaced seems un-community16:54
ikonia]how do you know it's one component16:54
popeyi disagree16:54
ikoniayou'll have to start pulling apart the distro to find out what else is changed16:55
popeythat entirely depends what's gone wrong16:55
jribikonia: but if popey doesn't mind doing that, why do we care?16:55
popeyyou don't have to pull the entire distro apart16:55
jribin the past, I've said something like "on a default ubuntu install, one would ....  But your system has been modified so you should ask [whoever] for support"16:55
ikoniajrib: others in the channel who do have an ubuntu issue that is related to the ubuntu products get missed16:55
ikoniajrib: I don't see a problem with your last statment16:55
popeyoh please16:56
popeythats tantermount to telling people "don't work on firefox because then less people are working on the kernel"16:56
popeypeople answer the questions they choose to16:56
ikonianot at all16:56
popeyand the questions they feel 'qualified' to answer16:56
ikoniaok, so in that case why not make #ubuntu open to support all ubuntu based distros16:56
popeybecause mint and backtrack are known quantities16:57
popeyI am not saying accept all16:57
popeyI am saying "don't reject all"16:57
ikoniapopey: right, so we should be able to support hte known quantities16:57
jribikonia: because there exist other irc channels where people can go and get *better* support16:57
ikoniathey are %99 ubuntu so should be easier to support16:57
ikoniajrib: those channels can be quiet poor, why not help them16:57
popeyi need to go home :(16:57
jribanyone that wants to help them can go to that channel16:58
ikonia(%99 was of course a random figure, I know different derivatives vary)16:58
popeywhich is annoying because this is an interesting discussion16:58
ikoniajrib: why - I can help them in #ubuntu16:58
ikoniapopey: I'm sure it will be back ;)16:58
popeyheh16:58
jribikonia: but not everyone in the backtrack channel will be in #ubuntu, so the user won't be getting the same level of support16:59
jribgo to the backtrack channel if you want people claiming to be knowledgeable about backtrack16:59
jribgo to ubuntu channel if you want people claiming to be knowledgeable about ubuntu16:59
ikoniajrib: but I I know the answer, I can just help them now16:59
ikoniajust give them the answer there and then16:59
jribikonia: that's true for some questions, but not all17:00
ikoniayes, but if I can answer the question which should be %90 of the ubuntu questions -> convert to back track answer, I should just help them17:00
jribby informing people about the backtrack channel, even for questions that are obviously distro-agnostic, they know they of the right channel for help with their distribution17:00
jribs/know they/learn17:01
ikoniajrib: ok, so "back track support can be found in #backtrack-linux, but I'll help you with that custom kernel no, so install make"17:01
jribikonia: yeah17:01
ikoniaI can point them at backtrack support, but help them in #ubuntu17:01
ikoniaif I was using ubuntu, here is what I'd do17:01
ikoniabacktrack is pretty much the same, so you should be fine with it [disclaimer]17:01
jribikonia: sure if you want to.  They can just come in #ubuntu and claim to use ubuntu anyway (and get the same information)17:02
jribI always see pointing people to the backtrack channel as making sure they get help from people who know about the particulars of backtrack17:03
jribI don't17:03
ikoniaI do , so I could help them17:03
jribSure, that helps alleviate traffic and that's something to consider, but I don't see it as the main reason to send people to the other channel17:03
ikoniathere isn't17:04
ikoniabased on what you/popey have just said, it's fine to support them in #ubuntu, so fine17:04
macothe trouble with trying to help Backtrack users is that it uses KDE3 so the menus are totally unfamiliar to anyone but a Kubuntu KDE3 Hardy user17:04
ikoniamake them aware of #backtrack-linux but still offer them support in #ubuntu17:04
ikoniamaco: it also uses gnome, which is identical in version17:04
macoit does?17:05
ikoniait has a gnome desktop17:05
macoi thought it just booted straight into kde3 the times ive used it...17:05
jribikonia: yes, but as before, by sending them to the backtrack channel you 1) make them aware of a channel full of people like you that know about backtrack and 2) they're more likely to get better backtrack-related support in the backtrack channel (not in #ubuntu)17:05
ikoniajrib: so why is me sending someone to their VPS vendor for a Redhat kernel on ubuntu not going to get them better support17:05
jribikonia: it is17:06
ikoniaoh, cool17:06
ikoniasorry, I may have miss-understood17:06
jribikonia: you should do that.  But as there is no irc place to send people to, I think we should allow people to provide support (if they choose to do so) in #ubuntu17:06
ikoniajrib: ok, in the same way, we can support backtrack in #ubuntu if no-one is free in #backtrack17:07
ikoniaas thats the same as there being no-one to send them to, sending them to a channel with 3 core guys on that are only awake usa time17:08
macoi'm confused17:08
maco<ikonia> nor is changing the admin group to "sudo" group17:10
macomy /etc/sudoers has both      %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL     and     %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL     and this is an install from a CD, not from a VPS17:10
jribikonia: no in that case, I'd suggest you join #backtrack to help17:11
jribbecause that is an irc place for backtrack questions17:11
* jrib wonders if ikonia is creating #ubuntu-randomchanges17:11
IdleOneActually I think you and ikonia are on the same page.17:11
jribliar17:11
ikoniajrib: #ubuntu-vps-support17:11
ikonia:)17:11
ikoniaI'm kidding17:12
ikoniain seriousness though it maybe worth having a channel for the modified ones and make a wiki page for all the known mods and work arounds17:14
ikoniaeg: the sudoers file changes on whatever provider that guy had17:14
jrib(mine does too)17:15
IdleOneI think what needs to be clarified is the difference between what #ubuntu supports and if any one user wants to help with a specific issue. Sure if you feel that you can help that non-ubuntu specific issue please feel free to do so but there are better channels to do it in. using #ubuntu as a one stop shop to help everybody will not be helpful to the community.17:15
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ikoniaplus if it gets a bit long winded then it's in a quieter channel17:16
ikoniawe can also ask the vendors to throw some cash at canonical for picking up their support ;)17:16
ikoniaif we document the known big ones, linode for example which does really minor changes we could support it more realistically ?17:16
jribif someone wants to do that, it would definitely make support easier (and likely better for the end-user)17:16
jribby "that" I mainly mean the documentation of modifications.  I'm not sure a whole new channel is needed17:17
ikoniajrib: depends, would have been nice to go through the guy I was talking with's box and make him aware of all the issues he's had/going to have and how to counter them17:17
ikoniamore so if there is a reference document17:17
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jribikonia: though I definitely understand where you are coming from.  I can recall a few times where I was very confused by what the user was telling me and it turns out there was due to some non-standard configuration he wasn't aware of (because his vps vendor had done it)17:18
ikoniajrib: I've had a few nasty ones like that also, a few like the one I've just delt with where it wasn't obvious and it bit me, I gave the user bad advice17:19
macodo we even know for sure that the missing line was a vendor mod and not a user messing up with backspace?17:19
ikoniamaco: I'm pretty sure it's a vendor change, I've seen it before and the kernel backs up it's modified17:19
ikoniano way to be %100 spot on certain though17:19
ikoniathere are others ones with additions to the sudoers file for on-site support sudo access17:19
ikoniaeg: %rackspace = all(all)17:20
jribyeah my linode doesn't have "admin", just "sudo"17:20
ikoniareally, interesting,17:20
ikoniaI thought the linnode stuff was much less obvious than that17:20
ikoniathat sort of stuff would be helpful to know/document17:20
jribI agree17:22
macothere's no %rackspace in my rackspace vps17:23
macobut there is just sudo, no admin17:23
macothough my rackspace is lucid and the cd-install i'm comparing to is maverick17:23
ikoniamaco: it was an example17:24
=== cdbs_ is now known as cdbs
Pici!no shipit is <reply> Canonical is no longer sending free Ubuntu CDs through its ShipIt program.  For more information please see http://blog.canonical.com/?p=55119:09
ubottuI'll remember that Pici19:09
LjL:(19:09
charlie-tca__really?19:09
Piciyep.19:10
IdleOne:(19:10
IdleOnethat sucks19:10
PiciLoCos still get CDs though, through another channel.19:10
IdleOneWell that is good19:12
PiciAlso, I'm not spelling it 'programme' in the factoid.19:12
Picio.o20:15
macowe have someone pretending to be Nixie Pixel of OMGUbuntu20:17

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