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=== Hornet- is now known as Hornet
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Natty In The Final Stretch: A Retrospective - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/05/natty-in-the-final-stretch-a-retrospective/02:24
HazRPG\o05:09
SeverianHowdy.  In the last show, I think you were confused about the name of the distro you were talking about.  Did you just not want to say oneiric?05:38
HazRPGmight just be because there is a narwals song form weebl stuff lol05:39
HazRPGnotice how omgubuntu have the narwals narwals swimming through the ocean on their home page05:39
SeverianNo, my mistake.  11.04 is Natty.  They were right.05:44
HazRPGSeverian: hehe, you were thinking a release ahead Oneiric Ocelot :P05:52
SeverianI was.  I like that Oneiric name.05:52
HazRPGOcelot's look cute too!05:53
SeverianI am getting more concerned that the Natty release may fail big.05:54
HazRPGI know what you mean05:54
HazRPGthe next one Oneiric Ocelot has already been confirmed by Shuttleworth that its not going to contain gnome-classic on it too :(05:55
SeverianThat seems like it is designed to keep Ubuntu off a lot of computers.  There are a lot of machines that can't handle 3D.  Unity may be usable by then, so I am not panicking yet.05:57
SeverianUnity looks nice now.  But, I don't consider something that crashes multiple times per day usable for the average person.05:57
HazRPGagreed06:09
HazRPGMmm... coffee and cheese sandwiches, breakfast meal for kings right :P06:25
MartijnVdSmorning06:38
HazRPGMartijnVdS: morning dude06:39
MartijnVdSDentist time.. *urgh*06:43
HazRPG:(06:44
MartijnVdSjust a check-up, but still06:44
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ivankamatti: AlanBell: morning07:25
ivankamatti: AlanBell: better? http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-logo-and-circle-of-friends/07:26
czajkowskimorning07:31
ivankaczajkowski: morning :-)07:31
HazRPGmorning guys \o07:32
czajkowskiivanka: you're on here very early07:32
ivankaczajkowski: fancy retweeting my logo thing?07:32
ivankaczajkowski: lots to do :-)07:32
czajkowskican do07:32
czajkowskiahh I remember iain gave out over my twiiter pic as I was using the old one07:33
czajkowskihttp://twibbon.com/Search?searchQuery=ubuntu07:33
czajkowskiwe need to upload the new one there07:33
ivankaczajkowski: can anyone do that?07:34
ivankawhat needs to be done?07:34
czajkowskiivanka: aye anyone can see my twitter pic twitter.com/czajkowski I've the twibbon ubuntu circle of friends on there, if the new one is uploaded I can change mine07:35
czajkowskiivanka: tweet done07:35
* popey does as ivanka asks an retweets her :p07:36
czajkowskiivanka: if you want any more done just hollar07:40
ivankathank you popey :-)07:43
ivankathank you czajkowski07:44
czajkowskireally dislike it when folks pick on the oss/foss rants.07:44
czajkowskiivanka: no bother07:44
daubersMorning07:48
czajkowskiivanka: whooooo07:49
czajkowski@D07:49
ivankaczajkowski: what we whoooo-ing?07:49
* ivanka lost the thread07:50
czajkowskiivanka: I now have the new logo on my twitter pic07:52
ivankaczajkowski: yay!!!!07:52
xwxoh?07:53
MooDoohello all07:54
daubersMooDoo: o/07:54
MooDoo:)07:54
ivankaczajkowski: you have cleverly managed to have both :-)07:55
czajkowskiI jnow...07:56
czajkowskitrying to fix that now07:56
czajkowskicant find that pic so need to upload a new pic07:56
ivankaczajkowski: oh no! all this work before 8am - I opened a can of worms!07:58
czajkowskidone07:59
czajkowskinew pic added and new twibbon07:59
czajkowski:D07:59
czajkowskihttp://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/04/04/why-being-an-approved-loco-team-doesnt-actually-matter-a-jot/  some comments and thoughts have been left08:01
czajkowskialways shocked when people read the blog08:02
MooDooczajkowski: why?08:02
czajkowskimy blog posts tend to not be exciting more references for myself tbh08:03
MooDooczajkowski: people read them becase they are interesting and inciteful08:03
directhexblarg08:04
MooDooczajkowski: that and your famous now ;) lol08:05
czajkowskifamous ?08:05
daubersHow come I always end up playing around with partitions at 8am :(08:06
czajkowskiangry birds on the ipad is addictive08:06
MooDooczajkowski: rio?~08:06
MooDoothe new angry birds rio rocks08:06
czajkowskirio?08:06
MooDooczajkowski: yeah it's a new angry birds08:07
czajkowskino the angry birds HD on ipad208:07
MooDooczajkowski: ah!  yes that's brill too....08:07
* MooDoo plays AB on his android, looses hours.08:07
* daubers hopes his package arrives today08:10
daubersUrgh... this USB stick is getting slow :(08:10
HazRPGhmm, wouldn't it be random if someone interfaced facebook with irc08:11
* MooDoo closed down his FB account for a month, and to be honest isn't missing it.08:11
HazRPGMooDoo: not an awful lot goes on in facebook in all honesty08:12
HazRPGmainly just a drama fest.08:12
MooDooHazRPG: i know, i was just uding it too much08:15
HazRPGuding?08:18
MooDooHazRPG: typo08:18
HazRPGah08:18
HazRPGyeah08:18
HazRPGI barely use mine in all fairness - people think I use it a lot because I constantly have youtube streams on it, but that's just because I set youtube to send in links whenever I click "like" on a video08:19
HazRPGso I pick videos I think others might want to see and click like on them08:20
HazRPGhow do I upgrade the kernel stuff with command line?08:23
HazRPGtyping in sudo apt-get upgrade doesn't seem to do it, it just lists that they're there08:23
MooDooapt-get dist-upgrade?08:23
* MooDoo isn't thinking right this morning, so ignore that if it doesn't work lol08:24
directhexupgrade does not install new unseen packages.08:24
directhexdist-upgrade does.08:24
HazRPGI always thought dist-upgrade was from going between release to release (e.g. 10.10 -> 11.04)08:26
MooDooisn't that upgrade-manager?08:27
MooDooupdate manager even08:27
directhexHazRPG, well, it does that too08:27
directhexHazRPG, but any case where upgrading a package on your system would involve installing a new package or removing an old one, "upgrade" will skip08:28
HazRPGah ok08:29
HazRPG(Y)08:29
* daubers head desks08:34
MooDoo:)08:34
daubersI've just seen someone use a URL shortening service to make a URL longer....08:34
MooDoolol08:34
daubershttp://bit.ly/the_oatmeal_com08:34
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hoovermornin all08:42
AlanBellmorning all08:45
DJonesMorning folks08:45
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MooDooAlanBell: DJones morning08:46
DJonesHi MooDoo08:47
directhexbroad bands!08:52
MooDoodirecthex: wide elastic bands ? ;)08:52
AlanBellivanka-train: o/08:59
AlanBellivanka-train: the top two are not #dd4814 but overall much more suitable for web use08:59
CompacthackMorning all08:59
HazRPG:o!09:00
HazRPGhttp://store.neurosky.com/products/myndplay09:00
HazRPGits a media player that alters things as and when your thinking them!09:00
ivanka-trainAlanBell: I noticed the colour discrepancy, was going to pick up with Marcus this morning09:00
gordi have so many fans on this damn computer it sometimes feels like i'm in the crystal maze dome09:02
daubersCAN YOU START THE FANS.. PLEASE!09:02
daubersWhat happened to the Crystal Maze?09:03
HazRPGdaubers: \o/09:03
HazRPGdaubers: people became stupider?09:03
HazRPGdaubers: reality TV took over sadly :(09:03
daubersHazRPG: thought that was what happened to the Krypton Factor?09:03
gordran out of crystals :(09:05
MooDoogord: dylithium?09:06
wintellectMornin peeps09:06
daubersgord: But did you get enough gold and silver things to win a holiday in Dartmoor?09:06
directhexgord, use quieter fans?09:08
gorddirecthex, these are quiet fans :) its the air moving sound not the fan sound09:09
gordjust that i move quite a lot of air09:09
popeymorning09:11
popeyhello Paul209:12
Paul2hello popey09:12
Paul2why is this in irssi autojoin, I definately saved my config more recently than I was in here09:12
DJonesdaubers: Indiana Jones got to the end of the Crystal maze and found the crystal skull09:14
daubersDJones: Thought they where aliens09:24
DJonesdaubers: Harrison Ford......09:24
oimoni almost walked out of the cinema at the end of crystal skull09:25
oimonin disgust. one of the last films i watched at the cinema09:25
* MooDoo walked out on the exorcist once09:26
oimonnot surprised09:26
oimonwhen you don't go to the cinema often, you notice how much has changed. suddenly you have to sit through 20 mins of adverts (not even trailers) - can't be bothered with that, i'll wait for the dvd - then they start putting ads on dvds!09:28
directhexoimon, you don't remember the trailers at the start of videotapes?09:31
oimondirecthex: they were trailers for films, and were quite fun if i correctly recall. now they are ads for chocolates and perfume09:32
diplothat's why the first thing I do when I buy my kids DVD's is to rip them to film only09:33
diploAnd either reburn them or stick on my media centre09:34
oimonnot to mention the "if you torrent this film then you won't be forced to watch this piracy advert" advert09:34
diploSome of my kids films have got 10+ mins of trailers09:34
oimondiplo: time consuming though to rip and convert, i guess?09:34
diplonah, as soon as i get home rip off the selophane and chuck in pc, 20 mins later or so it's done09:35
oimonwow09:35
diploTaken a while to go through what I already had, just got to be on the ball when you first get it09:35
diploneed more disc space now though :)09:36
oimonhow do you rip film only?09:36
oimonspecial app?09:36
diploHandbrake or windows apps if i can't get to rip under linux09:36
diploDid write a bash script to go through lot's of iso's09:36
diplosorta worked ok09:36
diploSo basically ripped 20-30 dvd's and it basically looped through and ripped them to mkv's09:37
MooDoodiplo: dvdshrink?09:37
oimonis mkv the best futureproof format?09:37
AlanBelldiplo: quite agree, it is crazy the non-skippable stuff on kids films09:37
diployeah some times, or DVDFab09:37
diploWell mkv allows chapters oimon09:37
diploSo you can skip etc09:38
diploWhere as mp4 doesn't afaik09:38
oimoni have some digital video footage of my sisters kids when they were babies, i was thinking about archiving them properly09:38
TheAshManIs there a way to shorten the path when in a terminal window? so instead of me@mycomp:~/Some/Really/Long/Path/Here/Taking/Up/Lots/Of/Screen/Real/Estate$, it shows me@mycomp:~/Something$09:38
directhexmp4 has a very high compatibility, so if you want your files to work everywhere, use that09:39
MartijnVdSTheAshMan: there is.09:39
MartijnVdSTheAshMan: let me find it09:39
popey\o/ just ordered two hdmi cables from amazon. £1.45 each09:39
oimon"Just under a half of iPhone users earn less than £20,000 a year,  compared with 38 per cent who own a BlackBerry and 27 per cent of  Android users."09:39
TheAshManMartijnVdS, That would be great! Thanks09:39
diployeah i agree directhex, mp4 works on PS3 where as mkv doesn't09:39
popeythey have some that are 34p + 99p P&P09:39
directhexoimon, [cite]?09:40
MartijnVdSTheAshMan: check for PROMPT_DIRTRIM in the bash manual ("man bash")09:40
TheAshManAwesome, cheers09:40
oimondirecthex: a study for digital banking provider Intelligent Environments [lots of hits on google news, and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1373055/Why-iPhone-users-look-rich-usually-poor.html ]09:41
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:43
AlanBelloimon: http://flowingdata.com/2010/08/11/iphone-users-are-more-promiscuous/09:45
oimonhehe09:45
DJonesHeh, http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Prototype.aspx Due for release in June 2010, I doubt they're going to make June 2011 if the prototypes are anything to go by09:53
directhexwhy?09:55
DJonesIt still looks to be a fair way from being complete09:55
directhexseems a silly product09:55
oimon"Our new Commodore operating system, will be a unique Commodore and AMIGA  centric Linux distribution, that will grow over time into something far  greater. "09:55
directhexoimon, wait, they're not using amigaos? o_o09:56
oimon"Units come with the Ubuntu 10.04 LTS operating system. Commodore OS 1.0, along with  emulation functionality, will be mailed to purchasers when available"09:56
directhexoh, of course, amigaos 4 is for PPC, and they're using a crap-end x8609:57
oimonnostalgia is fun and powerful enough to expend hard earned cash on , but $600 worth?09:57
directhexhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AmigaOS_4.1_Update_2.png09:58
oimonDual Core 525 Atom processor and  the  latest Nvidia Ion2 graphics chipset09:58
oimondoes anyone know what microsoft campus agreement is?10:04
directhexoimon, yes.10:05
oimonis it where a university sells its soul for free use of MS software across campus?10:06
directhexmore or less, yes. it's a site license for stuff on uni computers (but explicitly not for home machines)10:06
oimonis it expensive?10:07
directhexyes.10:07
oimon:(10:07
directhexbut cheaper than a separate license for every box.10:07
oimonour dept don't use MS software on 90% of our machines, so we are effectively contributing to something we don't use as part of our topslice10:08
directhexyes, that's correct10:09
directhexyou may also have other site licenses covered via your topslicing10:09
directhexe.g. matlab10:09
oimonstage 1 of the microsftisation (against 99% of the staff's wishes) is complete10:09
directhexhummingbird exceed10:10
directhexmathematica10:10
directhexetc10:10
oimondirecthex: no we pay for the mathematica etc stuff ourselves10:10
oimonwe are getting stitched up basically10:10
oimonstage 2= get AD, stage 3= exchange srever, stage 4= office 365 for students10:10
oimonstage 5 = oimon gets a different job10:10
oimonIf you do not submit an extension order (one-year option) or anniversary order (three-year option), sign a new subscription enrollment, or exercise the Buy-out option, you are required to remove all products from every computer10:11
directhexoimon, stage 5, free xboxes for all!10:12
MartijnVdSstage 6 = oimon's old workplace crashes & burns because he's not there anymore to maintain it?10:12
directhexoimon, oh, yes, it's a lease, not a purchase.10:12
oimonall this makes oimon very sad10:13
directhexoimon, yes, it punishes those who aren't using CA products. but the same goes for any site license10:14
oimoni stopped caring about my workplace after getting made redundant too many times. then i started again, by actually thinking i could make systems run nicely and make a difference to people.10:14
oimonhere's an email i received today "Thanks a lot, and thanks too for all the help you've given me over  the last few years. I think you guys do a cracking job in IT support and  I hope the people at my next uni are as good as you."10:14
directhexappreciative users? what is this madness?10:15
oimoni got sucked in, got emotionally involved :( now they want to rip out all the good we've done :'(10:15
ubuntuuk-planet[Stuart Langridge] Ubuntu and Android, sitting in a tree (nearly) - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/04/05/ubuntu-and-android-sitting-in-a-tree-nearly-10:27
bigcalmThere must an easier way of doing this in PHP? if (in_array($i, array(10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190))) { ... }10:31
soneillif($i %10 == 0) {}10:32
bigcalmThank you!10:32
bigcalmI knew it was to do with % but I couldn't work out how to google it :)10:32
soneillhttp://uk.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.arithmetic.php10:33
jonnyit is called a modulo operation10:33
bigcalmI should put it on a post-it really ;)10:33
bigcalmMy monitors are littered with post-its10:34
oimonbigcalm: you mean tomboy :P10:35
bigcalmoimon: I'm using windows and that's another application to keep running and a window to hunt for :)10:35
Laneyi heard the maintainer of tomboy is sexy10:36
* Laney runs10:36
bigcalmLaney: who might that be?10:36
Laneyjus' some guy10:37
bigcalmI'm guessing somebody in here10:37
Laneylookin' for a break10:37
Laneydepends if you mean upstream or debian maintainer10:37
popey:)10:37
* bigcalm shrugs10:38
oimonthe great thing about tomboy is that i am on v1.2.2 and had never thought of upgrading version until i saw popey's tweet about 1.6 today. in terms of bugs etc, i have no issues10:38
bigcalmMorning popey :)10:38
Laneyanyway, he's very sexy10:38
Laneyall the girls love him10:38
bigcalmLaney: lucky him. I'm happy with the love of my fiancee :)10:38
Laney:-)10:39
PendulumI'm glad that I'm old enough to be considered a woman not a girl since otherwise I'd apparently be obligated to love a guy I have no interest in :-/10:42
Laneyall the men also want to be him10:43
Laneynobody gets off scot free10:43
MooDooi don't, i'm me :D and that's good enough :)10:43
MooDoolol10:43
PendulumLaney: I'm female. I also really don't have any interest in loving men. So, yeah, I think I'm outside this circle.10:44
MooDooi love me, myself and i :)10:44
* bigcalm hugs Pendulum10:45
directhexi love cake. shame about the diet10:46
* Pendulum hugs bigcalm 10:46
* MooDoo holds up a sign "free hugs"10:47
BigRedSHah. Just had a discussion about ubuntu being 'hippyware', come in here and MooDoo's going round offering free hugs10:47
BigRedS:)10:47
MooDooBigRedS: yeah baby ;)  want some mint tea?10:48
oimon:( sent some funds from my current account to my savings account for the ISA deadline and they haven't turned up yet :(10:48
bigcalmoimon: that's because you sent them to my ISA, ta very much :D10:51
oimonstarting to worry about that. HBOS said the funds would be there on 4 april.. today is 5 april10:51
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mistertimHey all - got a quick question - I seem to have consistently high load average on my laptop at the moment, but low CPU usage. In the course of investigating, I found a few processes that have a high major page fault rate (200 - 300 nFLT in top - does this qualify as 'high'?), but I've got bags of RAM free and no swap space is being used. Any pointers about what might be going wrong?11:00
mistertimaah hang on - is nFLT cumulative? if so that might not be the problem at all11:00
popeymistertim: pastebin the output from "top"?11:02
brobostigongood morning everyone.11:02
popeylo11:02
brobostigonhey popey11:03
davmor2morning all11:03
* davmor2 gives czajkowski a back brace11:03
mistertimpopey: http://pastebin.com/a2LZ5QxQ - thanks!11:04
BigRedSmistertim: if load is high but cpu and mem aren't, it's probably I/O11:04
oimonmistertim: do you have iowait?  check iostat 60 for iowait % ,11:04
mistertimoimon: Iowait is very low - less than 1%11:05
mistertimactually i'm a bit confused about swap space11:05
mistertimsays the total is 0k but several processes claim to be using some in their columns11:05
oimonmistertim: something doesn't add up - load average is high but i don't see any running processes. try vmstat 1 for a minute or so and check the first column11:07
popeymistertim: how many cores ?11:07
popeywhat cpu is it?11:07
directhexboo, iowait11:08
mistertimpopey: 2 cores, will double check the exact model now11:09
popeycat /proc/cpuinfo11:09
brobostigonsome final(v.3) gnome3 updates from the gnome3-team, no breakeage. :)11:09
popeythat load average doesn't look high to me11:09
mistertimpopey: intel core 2 duo 2.4ghz11:10
popeyyou have a fair few chrome windows open11:10
mistertimpopey: aah, interesting. it might be nothing then -11:11
popeywhats the problem you're experiencing?11:11
oimonpopey: what's your load aver? mine is <111:11
popeyoimon: depends which box I look at11:11
mistertimit just seemed higher than usual is all11:11
popeymay well be higher than normal11:11
mistertimmine is typically <1 too - and gnome system monitor consistently reports 5-6 at the mo11:11
gingis there a command to reset gnome panels to the ubuntu default ?11:12
oimonmax load = number of cores11:12
oimonis a good rule11:12
mistertimmay well be all the chrome tabs, but that hasn't been a problem in the past11:12
mistertimoimon: aah that's useful11:12
oimonmistertim: i was thinking that you have a lot of chrome processes11:12
popeyis there a lot of flash in those tabs?11:12
mistertimpopey: I've got flashblock installed, so noen11:12
mistertimnone11:12
popeyheh11:12
mistertimmay be an extension though11:13
mistertimwill disable some and have a look11:13
oimonthe problem could be cyclical, that's why i suggest running system monitor GUI and vmstat 1 for a few mins11:13
brobostigonoimon: i have one cpu, with a single core, and regulaerly during updates get load average above 3, so that rule doesnt apply.11:13
mistertimoimon: i have vmstat running now, number of running procs is all over the place11:13
popeybrobostigon: it wasnt a rule11:13
popeyit was a guideline for "normal" operation11:14
brobostigonpopey: well, ok, my misinterpretation.11:14
brobostigonsorry,11:14
mistertimseems to leap between <10 and ~40 fairly freuently11:14
popeywe have boxes here that go to 40-50 load average11:14
popeymistertim: what does?11:14
brobostigonpopey: oimon called it a rule. if you look back.11:14
mistertimpopey: column 'r' from vmstat11:14
oimonit's a rule of thumb, the 15 min load ave is  5.50, which to me means overload11:14
popeyrule of thumb == guideline11:15
popeymistertim: isnt that your chromium processes all waking up?11:15
brobostigonok, fine, i seemed to have misinterpretated oimon's words, sorry.11:15
popeymistertim: mine is 0 :)11:15
oimonif your processor jumps to 50 momentarily, it's ok. but if it can't sort out that stuff quickly, then it is overloaded. that's why the 1,5, 15 min averages are useful11:16
oimonmistertim: i bet if you do "ps -ef | grep chromium-browser | wc -l" you will get 4011:16
mistertimpopey: hah! that would be likely11:16
mistertimpopey: 45. Mystery solved i think11:17
mistertimthanks a lot chaps - it may have been nothing, but i've certainly learnt a fair bit! :-)11:18
oimonmistertim: do you have a current version of chrome?11:18
mistertimoimon: nightly builds - possibly not today's though11:18
mistertimit can be a bit flaky tbh11:18
mistertimhah, killed chrome and the load av dropped like a stone11:19
mistertimonly 1 running proc now11:19
mistertimi think that clears it up11:19
dwatkinsmagic11:19
dwatkinschrome has its own task manager, as you may know - shift+escape11:20
dwatkins(it sometimes doesn't display and you have to choose "view background pages" in the manu)11:20
dwatkins*menu11:20
mistertimdwatkins: ooh, that's very useful11:20
dwatkinsit's a lot easier than running strace on the process ;)11:21
popeynice one11:21
mistertimbrb reboot11:23
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=== andylock1an is now known as andylockran
* TheOpenSourcerer wonders how on earth Gwibber made it into the default Ubuntu install - it's very unreliable and a process hog.11:34
davmor2popey: I'm wondering how accurate google latitude is are you really stood in the carpark?11:34
directhexTheOpenSourcerer, because there's no good mono-based twitter client to force on people!11:37
dwatkinsI'm glad it's not just me that had problems with Gwibber. I thought I'd done something wrong on my install, as people seemed to be raving about it.11:37
TheOpenSourcererI think hotot could be a decent replacement. It's still a bit rough around the edges but pretty good from my initial experiences.11:38
oimongwibber is probably the buggiest software ever included on a default install11:38
oimonTheOpenSourcerer: it's QT thought i think..11:38
oimonTheOpenSourcerer: actually it's gtk211:39
popeydavmor2: on my phone it shows me inside the building, just11:39
oimonit just looks a bit out of place on my desktop!11:39
SeverianAre ther any decent mono apps?  There are not any I use.  Partially, that is by design, but no mono app ever seemed like worth trying.11:39
oimonSeverian: tomboy11:39
popeyTomboy, Banshee11:39
oimondocky11:39
oimonall my faves :)11:40
popey:)11:40
TheOpenSourcererYeah - styling isn't the best, and I don't like the way it floods libnotify every time you start it with old mentions but otherwise it seems reliable and lightweight.11:40
sagaciSeverian: banshee11:40
Laneyall of these http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-cli-apps-team@lists.alioth.debian.org11:40
oimonTheOpenSourcerer: yeah, especially when the old mentions were just truncated tweets that converted oimon**** into oimon11:40
popeyooo, giver still exists?11:41
SeverianI don't know docky.  I'll go read about that.  I like VLC, and I have not seen any advantage to banshee.11:41
popeybanshee is a music player/manager11:41
popeyvlc is (mostly) a video player11:41
oimonbanshee is the only music app i've stayed with for more than 3 months after the demise of amarok 1.x11:41
directhexjesus christ, how frequently does this come up?11:41
davmor2popey: http://ubuntuone.com/p/kyW/ nope that'll be the edge of the loading bay that will :P11:42
popeybanshee has some very sweet features11:42
directhexVLC AND BANSHEE ARE NOT THE SAME TYPE OF APP11:42
directhexit's like comparing EOG and GIMP11:42
popeyheh11:42
SeverianI use VLC for music all the time.  It is nice and simple.11:42
oimonSeverian: but do you have a library of music files?11:42
popeyvlc is missing great swathes of functionality that banshee has11:42
directhexvlc is a file player!11:42
Severiansure.  I have a few hundred CDs converted to ogg files.11:43
oimondoes anyone know how to get banshee to view the music as a file tree, like amarok's file view?11:43
popeydavmor2: maybe I like sitting in the loading bay ;D11:43
Severiandirecthex, right, that is one of it's best features.11:43
directhexoimon, banshee doesn't have a file approach. it runs everything from the library.11:43
directhexoimon, if you want a file tree, it's not the app for you11:43
davmor2popey: that's your story and your sticking to it right :D11:43
directhexSeverian, it's a very powerful file player, but it's just a file player, and it's not the same type of app as a library player11:44
oimondirecthex: was hoping for an extension .. i still catch  mrs oimon using amarok 111:44
Severiandirecthex, I think I agree and that is why I use VLC.  It does the important stuff and stay out of the way with the stuff that is just distracting.11:45
oimonSeverian: how do you manage playlists, and play whole albums ?11:45
oimonor find a song on a compilation somewhere11:46
SeverianEach album is in a directory.  I just play the directory to play the album.11:46
diployeah i use VLC for that sometimes on my windows box11:46
SeverianI don't have any colpilation albums.  I lump those into a various folder where the files are named by artist and song.  It seems quite simple and easy to use.11:47
Severiancolpilation -> compiliation11:47
davmor2popey: you want hope you boss doesn't have latitude he'll dock you money while you're out in the carpark not working :D11:47
* popey runs inside11:48
directhexSeverian, and to play a specific song, rather than an album?11:48
SeverianI also have an icecast server running playing a random assortment of songs.  Sometimes, I tune VLC to that.11:48
SeverianTo play a song, I select the song.11:48
directhexSeverian, select from where?11:48
oimonSeverian: we're not saying that you are doing it wrong..but there are now music library apps that take the effort out of choosing songs etc11:49
SeverianI select it from the album it is in.11:49
oimonusing nautilus/file browser?11:49
directhexSeverian, so you need to have the track listings for indivdual albums memorised?11:49
* daubers notes city link has 10 minutes to deliver stuff after failing to deliver it on saturday, and failing to have it in the depot when I arranged to collect it yesterday11:49
davmor2Severian: different people have different need I listen to music all day I don't want to have to pick the next track I want it to just play,  I have podcasts I listen to I don't want to have to go off and download each one when I have a music/podcast library tool do that for me etc etc etc11:50
SeverianI am not saying I am doing it the only way.  I am just trying to understand why the "library" approach would make my life any easier or do a better job.11:50
directhexSeverian, then i repeat my question. in order to play a given track you're in the mood for, you need to memorize which album it's from, to open the right folder for that file?11:51
SeverianI don't listen to music all day.  Maybe, if I listened more, I would see a difference.  I mostly listen to podcasts or from one of my icecast feeds.  I have another one that streams Melvin Bragg.11:51
oimonSeverian: a music library app such as banshee can present songs which are your favourites/unheard/recently added, all songs by a particular artist across all albums, song search, etc11:52
Severiandirecthex, yes.  But, I always know the album, anyway.11:52
oimoni still tend to listen to whole albums too11:52
popeyi dont have a music collection anymore11:52
popeyi use spotify11:52
directhexSeverian, so you're doing the computer's job for it, then? mentally searching a mental index for arbitrary metadata?11:52
directhexwag the dog!11:53
oimonpopey: what happened to the old collection?11:53
popeysat on a disk somewhere11:53
davmor2popey: yes but you're sad and loney ;)  I listen a lot to absolute 80's  fantastic channel :)11:53
popey:(11:53
popeyhttp://www.last.fm/user/popeydc11:54
oimoni would like banshee to offer additional categories such as Sermons, Conferences, Lectures etc - it currently only offers Audiobooks which is non-editable name11:54
popeysermons!?11:54
LaneyYour musical compatibility with popeydc is Medium11:54
Severiandirecthex, maybe so, but I always know the album.  Am I supposed to try to forget it, so I can let a computer do it.  That seems harder to do than the system I have now.11:54
LaneyMusic you have in common includes … Sugababes11:54
Laney\o/11:54
popey\o/11:54
oimonyes, sermons are some of the highest use of podcasting11:54
* popey pushes the button11:54
Severiannothing happened, that I can see.  Push it again.11:55
* oimon notes that popey listened to blue monday on a monday11:55
Laneypopey was indicating that he's ready for me (boy)11:56
Laneyhe pushed the button to let me know11:56
Laneybefore i got the wrong idea and went (and he missed the freak that i control)11:56
* popey did11:56
SeverianAhh.  Y'all have fun.11:56
gordis spotify in such a state yet that those of us on linux can try it without paying for it?11:56
Laneyusing wine, yes11:57
popeyyes11:57
popeyhas been for ages11:57
oimongord: ads have increased in annoyance and frequency though11:57
gordeh, don't want to rely on wine for my music listening11:57
oimoni often turn down the vol for the ads and forget to turn it up for 2 hours11:57
Laneywine or a fiver per month are your spotify options11:57
popeyoimon: i have never seen/heard a sermon podcast11:57
popeywoudln't want to either tbh :)11:57
directhexyay tangerine!11:58
gordi'll continue not using it then - i'm not sure what their logic is behind keeping the linux client behind a paywall11:58
diploLaney, is the fiver a limited amount of listening still though ?11:58
* directhex plays music from his desktop11:58
Laneydiplo: no, a fiver is for no ads11:58
Laney"Spotify Unlimited"11:58
diplogord, last i read up on it was they we're having issues getting the ads to work correctly in linux11:59
gordi have a hard time believing that11:59
diploNot looked in a while but i thought they had a higher one that was unlimited and the fiver was a certain time of listening11:59
* diplo reinvestigates11:59
Laneypremium gives you other features11:59
diploSo do i, but that's the last thing i read about it11:59
Laneylike offline and mobile11:59
oimonpopey: itunes has a chart : http://www.itunescharts.net/us/charts/podcasts/2011/03/23 mars hill church is in the top 100 US podcasts11:59
popey\o/ mobile11:59
popey\o/ nice that mars hill church is well behind Ricky Gervais. That makes me happy12:00
daubersI got a spotify premium subscription, as I can now play it through the bluetooth thing in my car \o/12:00
oimonricky is in 79th place12:00
AlanBellivanka: o/ can you join #ubuntu-accessibility for a bit12:00
popey9th place12:00
Laney♥ Pilkington ♥12:01
popey♥ Merchant ♥12:01
Laneyhave you listened to their old xfm shows?12:01
Laneyif not, do12:01
gord♥ banana milkshakes ♥12:01
gordwhy does record my desktop hate me today >:(12:02
MartijnVdS♡ Unicode ♥12:02
popeyi have an archive of them  Laney12:02
Laneygood man12:02
* oimon notices there is a podcast called All about Android 12:02
MartijnVdSpopey: did you find any good podcasts?12:03
davmor2gord: you confused it hates you everyday just more than normal today ;)  what's up with it?12:03
gordits making 0 byte files12:03
davmor2gord: Man it really hates you12:03
gordi can see it encoding though, so that's annoying12:04
gordoh wait no, i see why. hrm. yes that would be a problem12:05
gord*deletes files so that he has more than 1byte free on his home drive*12:05
davmor2gord: I just tried it's working fine here :(12:05
diploah so I can't use on my mobile with unlimited12:06
oimonif i get some work done at the dentist and it gives me gip, do i get free follow up within 2 months of the work being done?12:06
davmor2oimon: is it a good podcast though?12:06
oimondavmor2: hope to find out12:07
shaunoThe Bugle has to be my favourite podcast.  even if it is from the times.  funny stuff :)12:08
DJonesoimon: I think you do12:08
oimon\o/12:08
oimonalthough i always get the feeling my dentist is out for ways to earn $££ from me12:08
oimonlongs for a day when his teeth aren't hurting at some point :S12:09
Pendulumoimon: I thought that's what all dentists wanted12:11
AlanBelloimon: tell the dentist about openmolar12:11
oimonAlanBell: most dentists use access on win9512:13
oimonin my experience12:13
* brobostigon has ham toasties and ginger beer, :)12:13
AlanBellabout time they changed then12:13
DJonesoimon: But may depend how much you've paid, normally you pay about £16 for the 1st visit & another £30 for the follow up, but I think once you've paid the £46 most normal treatment within 2 months is covered12:15
oimonpaid £16 + £80 for a filling12:16
DJonesoimon: Gold filling?12:16
oimonno :( the gold one cost £500 on my other tooth12:16
oimonwell that was a crown.12:17
oimonold age makes oimon sad12:17
* DJones gets the pliers out, a £500 crown might be worth something at www.webuyyouroldgold.co.uk12:17
oimondeffo12:17
oimonshe dropped it into the back of my throat when applying it. i almost swallowed as a reflex12:18
oimonnot sure what would have happened then12:18
DJonesNature would take its course :)12:18
oimonbut would they want to apply the same crown or get a new one?12:18
oimoni wouldn't like the idea of having a poo tooth12:19
oimonin my mouth12:19
* brobostigon tunes out, as he is having lunch,12:19
davmor2oimon: £1000 for a crown :D12:19
* oimon checks the CoC12:19
oimondavmor2: on the website?12:19
oimonbeautiful pics http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1373277/London-s-secret-wildlife-wonderland-revealed-photographer-rose-dawn-day-capture-stunning-images.html12:20
* oimon isn't a daily mail reader, but even if he was, wouldn't apologise for it12:21
MartijnVdSdaily fail ;)12:23
shaunosigh.12:23
davmor2hey gord that'll be one for you.  open up idle in natty now it crashes compiz :D12:35
davmor2gord: any tcl/tk app will do idle was just the one I had installed12:35
gorddavmor2, i hear that yeah12:36
davmor2gord: I think the bulk of the bugs have been pointed at unity incorrectly however :(12:37
gordthats usually the way :)12:37
gorddavmor2, fixed in compiz trunk apparently12:37
dwatkinswow, X just completely hung just after logging in on 10.10, that's wierd12:38
davmor2gord: that's normally the way too :D12:38
cbx33hey all12:45
cbx33quickie for yas12:45
cbx33I want to take an ubuntu install on a laptop and put it on a desktop12:45
cbx33easiest way to do it?12:45
DJonescbx33: I would probably do a fresh install on the desktop & copy the home parition over12:46
DJones!cloning12:46
lubotu3To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate12:46
DJonesAnd use that to replicate the packages onto the 2nd machine12:47
cbx33i need "this" install12:47
shaunodo you keep backups?  just restore your latest backup onto the new machine :)12:50
diploShameless pimp : http://askubuntu.com/questions/33460/hp-probook-4720s-fans-running-constantly-at-full12:50
cbx33there is some very specific setup on this machine - I just want to copy the whole machine - I'll probably just format the drive - rsync the data over and reinstall grub12:55
oimoncbx33: have you ever used dd before?12:55
oimondd will clone a drive to another one of the same size or larger.12:55
cbx33yeh - dd is an option but the drive I am copying onto is smaller12:56
cbx33which is an ass12:56
cbx33I could just resize the original12:56
shaunoI'd just use tar.   tar --xattrs --selinux --one-file-system -cf - /dir | (cd /new/path; tar -xf -)   then boot the new box from a livecd to set grup up12:56
cbx33but don't really want to futz with it12:56
cbx33ahh yeh could use grub for recovering12:57
cbx33i mean live cd12:57
cbx33didn't think of that12:57
shaunoassuming you've got a sensible way to mount the target drive on the current machine.  if not, you can wedge netcat in the middle of that pipeline to do it across a network12:57
cbx33yeh12:57
cbx33tar --xattrs --selinux --one-file-system -cf - /dir | (cd /new/path; tar -xf -)12:58
cbx33is that complete?12:58
shaunoshould be  (you'll want / for /dir tho)12:58
cbx33yah12:58
cbx33I'll need an exclude though right12:59
cbx33to exclude the mouted dest12:59
shauno--one-file-system stops it wandering off the current device  (stops it picking up devfs, proc, etc too)12:59
cbx33ahhh12:59
cbx33cool12:59
cbx33ty12:59
cbx33yeh of course13:00
cbx33forgot that one13:00
shaunoor that's my understanding of --one-file-system atleast.  if you spot it trying to tar up /dev or /proc, may need to rethink ;)13:00
oimondiplo: does windows show the fan speeds?13:01
cbx33hehe13:01
diploNope, but it does control them13:01
diplooccasionally comes on with flash vids etc13:01
shaunocbx33: if you can mount the laptop drive on the new machine, I'd be tempted to do the whole operation from a livecd.  so you're copying /mnt/oldsystem to /mnt/newsystem, instead of picking up 'running state' cruft13:02
oimondiplo: have you run sensors-detect and also tried fancontrol?13:02
cbx33that was my intention13:02
cbx33shauno: good plan13:02
diploYep and yep, all it does is detect temps13:03
oimondiplo: one more, do you have stuff in /sys/class/hwmon/13:07
diplonot sure, give me a sec in win7 atm :)13:09
diplowill reboot once svn import has finished13:09
diplo:)13:09
popeywith ls, is there a way to supress "ls: No match.13:09
oimondiplo: or when you have time, look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fan_Speed_Control - you mighht be able to turn off/on fans based upon self-defined criteria13:09
popeywhen there are no files found?13:09
daubers\o/ City Link fails again13:10
diplorebooting13:12
oimonpopey: you could redirect stderr to a file or /dev/null13:12
oimonls missingfile 2> /dev/null13:13
popey> ls -1 *.car 2> /dev/null13:14
popeyls: No match.13:14
popeydoesn't work13:14
diplooimon,  hwmon has lot's of temp<number> files in there with name, uevent and a power/subsystem folder13:14
oimonpopey: which OS?13:14
popeyrhel513:14
popeyoh, wrong shell, sory13:15
oimoncsh is evil13:15
hooveragreed13:15
* hoover hacked away on tcsh for a long time13:16
hooverslightly less evil13:16
hooverbut once bash got tab completion... ;-)13:16
oimoni think even csh got file completion on solaris eventually. would have saved me years of pain13:16
hooveryep, I think so too13:17
oimonby default, solaris used to ship with a bourne shell for root with minimal features, to discourage admins from staying logged in as root too long13:17
directhexbecause if root could tab complete, THE WORLD WOULD END13:18
oimonor allowed history13:18
directhexmake the experience miserable. punish that sysadmin!13:18
MartijnVdSdirecthex: or anyone</freebsd>13:18
oimonor even had $PATH13:18
directhexoimon, solaris has always been retarded by default.13:19
xwxiphone?13:19
diplooimon, it seems that arch page is good if it detects your fan but i get nowt/nada13:19
xwxwhat‘s that?13:19
popeyo_O13:20
oimondiplo: ok, sorry to get the hopes up. i thought maybe you could at least siwtch it on and off manually using device control :(13:20
oimonsolaris was good to learn a disciplined way before experiencing linux. although i used vim for years on linux without realising the extra stuff it could do, because i was used to years of solaris vi13:20
hazrpg1\o13:22
oimonachieved over 1000 days uptime on my solaris boxes on various occasions13:22
=== hazrpg1 is now known as Hazmaster
Hazmasterhow's everyone doing :)13:23
brobostigongood afternoon Hazmaster :)13:24
diploheh, I've close to given up anyway oimon13:25
oimondiplo: do you boot with any special kernel options? acpi ones13:26
diploNope, started looking into it but couldn't find anything useful at the time13:27
andylockranhowdy13:28
andylockran:s13:28
popeyhowdy howdy howdy13:30
oimondiplo: found this comment, looks scary though http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8962178&postcount=913:31
diplojust ffound acpi_hp in manpages on ubuntu site13:31
diploso may try both13:31
diplota13:32
=== denny- is now known as denny
oimonpopey: how do i learn about volunteering for packaging for ubuntu? got lots of exp on rhel packaging for local repos13:35
X3Noimon: have you looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide13:40
oimonX3N: cheers will take a look13:41
X3Nand possibly https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU13:43
X3N^ which is more about the actual package contribution process rather than creating packages13:44
oimonta13:47
smittixAfternoon All13:47
smittixI really need to stop trying to access the old app menu in natty13:48
smittixIt's doing my nut in now13:48
X3NIt's doing your nat in ;)13:50
smittixheh13:57
Hazmasterbrobostigon: good afternoon :)13:58
brobostigonHazmaster: good afternoon, :)14:00
Hazmasterman this keyboard is soooo tiny!14:03
Hazmastersomeone remind me why netbooks are so popular again :/14:03
Hazmasteri barely use mine14:03
Hazmasterif i was ever going to use this properly i would probably have to carry a wireless/wired keyboard && mouse!14:04
PendulumI use mine when I'm going somewhere and don't want to bring my laptop14:04
gordsome of us don't want to carry a laptop around with us and don't want to use a phone14:04
Pendulumbut I have small hands and don't have issues with the smaller keyboard14:04
gordyou get used to netbook keyboards anyway, they are fine14:05
HazmasterI guess but my fingers keep tring to press two keys at once >_<14:05
Hazmastereither i've got big hands, or the keys are way too tiny and too close for my likeing14:05
directhexget a stylus, use to press keys!14:05
Hazmasterdirecthex: sort of defeats the poitn :P14:06
gordtyping is based on muscle memory, your bad at typing on a netbook really just because your pressing the inbetween parts, you expect the keys to be further away, all you need is practice and you'll be fine14:06
PendulumMy one issue with my netbook is that the trackpad is horrid14:07
oimonmy issues with my netbook is that it is slow, has no touchscreen, and poor battery life, and low res screen ...yes i bought the eee 70114:12
penguin42my one issue with my netbook is that the linux drivers for the wireless on more recent Ubuntus are very touchy14:17
Hazmastersee on mine, i have the right button button as a button on the whole far right column, and left as a left column... its really weird...14:20
Hazmasterwhat happened the the standard two buttons at the top thing :S14:20
Hazmasterpenguin42: heh, i had trouble with wireless drivers the other night when i was installing ubuntu on someone's laptop!14:21
MartijnVdSRTL is.. weird14:23
MartijnVdSat least for most of us LTR-people14:23
Hazmasterheh14:25
Hazmasterthats not quite what i mean14:25
Hazmasteri mean it has 3 columns on my mouse pad14:26
Hazmastera wide centre-piece for moving the mouse around, and two boxes on either side thats skinny as left/right mouse buttons14:26
Hazmasterso you end up using your middle finger for moving the mouse, and thumb for left-clicks, and when you want to right-click, you have to sort of rearrange your hand around14:27
shaunoyou don't have a pinkie finger?14:28
Hazmasterits odd14:28
MartijnVdSfour-fingered Hazmaster14:28
Hazmastershauno: i do... but its numb most of the time14:28
MartijnVdScounts in octal :)14:28
Hazmastercan barely do much with it14:28
Hazmasteryou should see me on guitar hero... i use 3 fingers for all 5 keys14:29
MartijnVdSHazmaster: how did you end up like that? :)14:29
Hazmasterit gets insane >_< but its what i'm use to because i can't press hard enough with my pinky14:30
HazmasterMartijnVdS: no idea, always been like that as far as i know :P14:30
MartijnVdSHazmaster: gimpy pinky14:30
Hazmastermight just be simply lack of practice14:30
smittixBah I am trying to add a route out on a line that has no proxy but for some reason it wont work14:30
Hazmasterand not enough pinky-cise14:30
MartijnVdSHazmaster: http://chromercise.com/14:31
shaunoor http://www.thextensor.com/  :)14:32
HazmasterMartijnVdS: xD14:32
Hazmastershauno: heh14:36
shaunodoesn't that thing look terrifying14:36
shaunooh that's fun.  handbrake is apparently using about 680% of my cpu.  wheeeee14:37
MartijnVdSshauno: octocore?14:40
shaunoquad, but with hyperthreading.14:40
shaunostill trying to get the hang of how activity monitor tracks that.  on my old c2d, pegging one core was 100%, so 200% was the ceiling14:41
shaunoapparently on this one, pegging one core is 200%, if you're using both threads properly.  so 800% is the ceiling14:41
directhexit's just 100% per thread.14:41
directhexbut hyperthreading will never hit full utilization14:41
shaunoit's going roughly 5 times as fast as my old machine, so I'm pretty happy either way :)14:43
oimonshauno: converting DVDs?14:43
shauno(based on the fps of the actual encode.  it's the results that matter)14:43
shaunooimon: just rescaling to fit my TV (the box I have under the TV is rather weak)14:43
* oimon has some spare HPC clusters ..should sell out the remaining cluster time14:44
shaunoI think with my paltry upload, it's faster to do it myself14:45
shaunoI've been really tempted to move to 100mbit, just to get double the upstream :/14:46
Hazmasterright time to go meet peoples14:51
Hazmasterits someone's b-day, and i need to help her get her newly ubuntu box onto the internets (she's currently on windows because she couldn't work it out even though i showed her how :P)14:51
Hazmastercatch ya later guys :)14:52
Hazmastero/14:52
brobostigonbye Hazmaster o/14:52
Hazmasterbrobostigon: :) o/14:52
ali1234looks like gvfsd has a nasty memory leak15:23
cbx33grr that task i wanted to do earlier is now more complicated by the presense of LVM15:28
cbx33shauno: any ideas now :p15:28
cbx33i can create a new pv15:32
cbx33but i can't call the vg the same15:32
oimonreluctantly cancelling my subs to linux magazine :(15:32
cbx33but i could rename it afterwards15:32
oimondue to no time to read it , and cost-cutting measures enforced by much higher living costs in the last year or so :(15:33
dogmatic69oimon: lxf?15:36
oimondogmatic69: no, the far superior (IMO) linux magazine: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Resources/Current-Issue15:37
ali1234hmm looks like it is to do with gnome-system-properties that i left running all night15:37
dogmatic69hmmm15:37
dogmatic69oimon: cheaper too15:39
oimon£40 per year..but still too much for me right now15:39
dogmatic69xlf is 5315:39
dogmatic69oimon: get a trial subscription, £3 for the next 3 months, use that time to save ;)15:40
shaunocbx33: haven't used lvm, sorry15:40
* penguin42 starts his annual fight with gnucash15:41
shaunoooh, interesting solution to the england vs ireland cricket dilema.  ireland aren't being allowed in the 2015 world cup15:43
oimonoooer any doctors in the house?16:05
* brobostigon goes and plays with android app inventor.16:07
ali1234ok, anyone want to try to confirm bug 751523?16:12
lubotu3Launchpad bug 751523 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "gnome-system-monitor spams dbus with requests for volume information" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75152316:12
oimonali1234: i can try in natty or lucid16:14
oimonnot meerkat16:14
ali1234you might have to leaveit running for 12 hours or so...16:15
oimoncan do that on natty then :)16:15
ali1234it doesn't seem to affect natty from my test16:17
ali1234although it's only been running for 10 minutes16:17
gordbug fixed then :)16:21
oimon\0/16:21
ali1234only half of it16:22
ali1234there's two bugs really16:22
oimon /0\16:22
ali1234system-monitor bug merely exposes another bug in gvfsd16:22
ali1234this is very similar to the last "memory leak" i tracked down16:26
ali1234where a badly written app is spamming another app with requests, causing it to use too much memory16:26
ali1234everyone thinks it is a leak, but theres no evidence of such because the bug is actually in another app and the "leaky" app is just doing what it is told16:26
oimonmem leaks used to be few and far between in the olden days :(16:26
ali1234so the bug never gets found or fixed because triagers just say "post valgrind log" which is not useful at all in these situations16:27
ali1234looks like this bug has been floating about for a couple of years at least16:27
ali1234i never noticed it before because i've never left gsm running over night on the filesystems page before16:28
oimonali1234 do you have any extra filesystems mounted too?16:28
ali1234sure, loads on maverick16:29
oimone.g. mem cards16:29
ali1234all kinds of stuff16:29
oimonusb sticks16:29
ali1234but it seems to be hitting the "gphoto2" gvfs among other things16:29
ali1234everyone seems to have that16:29
ali1234under natty i have hardly anything cos its a vm16:29
oimoni wonder if it would show up on a system without non-local disks attached?16:30
ali1234i'm just starting some to see16:30
oimonmaybe attacha screenshot of the filesytem tab to show mounted filesystems16:30
ali1234it probably happens faster/slower depending how many filesystems you have mounted16:31
ali1234but i bet it still happens16:31
oimongvfsd is using little mem on my natty box atm16:32
ali1234it might not even start leaking until the xsession-errors starts filling up16:32
ali1234"leaking"16:32
ali1234!lts16:33
lubotu3LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04)16:33
oimonali1234: what does  gvfs-mount -l show on your bo16:36
oimonx16:36
ali1234http://pastebin.com/tGEPeDZL16:37
oimonmine was empty. have stuck in a USB stick16:38
ali1234on natty mine only has the natty install iso from virtualbox16:38
ali1234would be interesting to mount a ext4 filesystem or something through it like on mav16:39
ali1234knotify4 is also using 1GB of swap16:43
ali1234i bet that's related16:44
oimonali1234: i often don't reboot for 2 months at a time and running many apps at once, plugging my phone etc, but don't see this problem16:44
oimonalthough i import photos mainly on my home laptop16:44
ali1234i don't use photo import16:44
ali1234i don't use any of this stuff16:45
ali1234i never had this problem until i left gnome-system-monitor running over night16:45
oimonping me tomorrow and i'll check my resource usage after leaving it on overnight16:48
ali1234ok, i restarted gsm16:49
ali1234seems it doesn't trigger the leak until it hits the dbus limit16:50
ali1234sorry, my mistake, it actually does16:51
ali1234you do have to be on "file systems" tab to see it though16:52
oimoni am ,but don't see anything amiss16:52
ali1234then gvfsd memory use increases by about 1mb/second16:52
ali1234gonna install lucid in a minute and see if that is affected16:53
ali1234then maybe maverick16:53
oimoni'm on lucid now..hang on16:53
oimoncannot reproduce in natty16:53
ali1234the effect is very obvious in fact16:54
ali1234if you watch eg top16:54
ali1234gvfsd memory use increases by 1mb nearly every time top refreshes16:54
oimoni have watch -n 1 "ps -efl | grep gvfsd" while file systems tab open (lucid and natty)16:55
oimonlucid going upVERY slowly16:56
oimon2197kb..2232KB16:56
ali1234which column am i looking at?16:57
oimonSZ16:57
ali1234columns aren't labelled here16:57
ali1234i just see this: 0 S al       31598     1  0  80   0 - 27905 poll_s 16:28 ?        00:00:02 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd16:57
oimon2790516:58
ali1234top says: 31598 al        20   0  113m  43m 2044 S    0  1.1   0:02.24 gvfsd16:58
ali1234that's gone up by 2mb since i pasted it16:58
ali1234try: top -p `pidof gvfsd`17:00
cbx33guys just managed to copy the whole information to the disk17:00
cbx33but doing grub-install it's not seeming to read the config17:01
cbx33just gives me a grub prompt17:01
cbx33any ideas?17:01
oimonali1234:  res 4396 shr 170817:01
ali1234do a pxe install17:01
ali1234oimon: res and virt are the interesting ones17:02
ali1234half what gets allocated never gets used again so it goes directly into virt17:02
ali1234i'm now at 158m  73m17:03
ali1234ps -efl still says 4100517:03
gordi really don't like that some websites know who i am on facebook, anyone know how to get rid of that?17:19
ali1234log out of facebook17:19
soneilllol17:19
ali1234i thinkthere's a firefox extension to do it as well17:19
gordno no staying logged out seems to work, seems this machien is the only one of my machine that had "keep me logged in" checked17:20
ali1234http://superuser.com/questions/144973/blocking-facebooks-like-button-in-firefox17:20
ali1234i dunno if that wil actually stop websites from knowing you or just hide the box17:20
MartijnVdSali1234: http://www.ghostery.com/17:21
MartijnVdSali1234: that works for me17:21
gordoh - i'm wearing a tshirt from a conference today, guess its time to do the laundry17:41
MartijnVdSgord: hah, you work like that too? :)17:42
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ali1234i just noticed that natty has the screen-edge-maximise behaviour copied from windows 717:50
ali1234so i guess it's not all bad17:50
ali1234that one i actually like17:51
ali1234not sure how it will work with two monitors though17:51
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seekerali1234: On win 7 it only works on outside edges18:03
Myrttimeh18:48
davmor2alright who stole cz<tab>18:59
jacobwevening19:04
BigRedSexit19:14
BigRedSoop. wrong pane...19:14
jacobw:)19:17
jonsainthi all. need help or advice! got a so called netbook thingy which is my cousins. its a dell inspiron mini running crappy win 7 and its got blue screen of death. how can i put ubuntu on t and wipe off win 7?19:19
BigRedSjonsaint: generally, download unetbootin, use it to make a USB key installer, then boot off it19:20
BigRedSyou'll need another computer with which to do the unetbootin bit19:20
jonsaintwill my pc do as thats ubuntu?19:21
BigRedSyeah19:21
BigRedSunetbootin's in the repositories19:21
BigRedSI think there's a ubuntu tool for making the instt CDs19:21
jonsaintso this unetbootin, where can i get it and is that all i will need or what as ive never done this before19:21
moreati!unetbootin19:22
lubotu3For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent19:22
jonsaintso i have to tell my memory stick to boot?? (however that happens!)19:23
BigRedSywah, that'll be in the bios on the netbook19:24
BigRedSUsually, I think, F12 for a boot menu, then choose USB HDD19:24
jonsaintso all i need to do is put ubuntu on the stick?? do a copy/paste??19:24
BigRedS no, you need to make it into an installer19:24
BigRedSwith unetbootin, for example19:24
jonsaintwhere do i get that programme from?19:25
jacobw!liveusb19:25
lubotu3For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent19:25
BigRedSah, ignore my bit, jacobw's suggestion is a better one19:25
jonsainti found it on software centre19:25
jonsaintso once i installed that, will that convert it into a boot file then?19:27
BigRedSit'll make a usb stick into an installer, yeah19:27
BigRedSthat you can boot from, as you might an installer CD19:27
jonsaintil try that. many thanks folks il give it a whirl19:28
smittixDoesn't fglrx work in natty yet?19:31
BigRedSdoes fglrx ever work?19:31
smittixheh19:31
smittixInstalled it and ended up with a garbled unusable system until i removed the package19:32
BigRedSyeah, I think thats what it's for19:32
BigRedS:)19:32
smittixI only use it for the power management19:33
smittixOtherwise my battery lasts around 2 nano seconds19:33
gordi have read that yes fglrx works now19:35
jacobwproprietary sucks :(19:35
ali1234more importantly, does nvidia work in natty yet?19:39
brobostigonintel still gives gpu lockups/hangs.19:40
moreatiali1234: I've been using it a few days, seems okay19:40
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ali1234i tried reproducing the gvfs bug in maverick and lucid vms and neither worked19:42
jacobwi've no problem with the intel card on my netbook19:42
smittixI can't seem to get FGLRX working at all :/19:42
brobostigonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/71509619:43
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 715096 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i945gm] GPU lockup (ESR: 0x00000001 IPEHR: 0x02000011)" [High,Incomplete]19:43
brobostigonjacobw: that bug, is my issue.19:43
ali1234why is it incomplete?19:43
brobostigonali1234: because i have yet to find, a kernel that actually works properly, as suggested by bryce, to test out, if it exists or is gone, or otherwise.19:44
brobostigonali1234: or anyone for that matter, maybe.19:45
ali1234he asked you to test with a specific kernel19:45
ali1234you did it and it didn't work19:45
ali1234so mark it back to new or confirmed19:45
ali1234btw i have i945 i will test this19:46
brobostigonali1234: ah, yes, good idea. that would help alot, getting the most information possible.19:46
ali1234how long does it normally take to get a gpu lockup?19:49
brobostigonali1234: mins/hours/days , it is random as far as i can see.19:50
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ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] ShipIt Discontinued, Long Live LoCo Teams - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/05/shipit-discontinued-long-live-loco-teams/20:27
bigcalmWhat's the release date for 11.04?20:44
popey24/4 iirc20:44
bigcalmTa20:45
bigcalmNow give me your postal address :P20:45
popey28/4 actually20:45
bigcalm23 days left to iron out all them bugs. Fun20:46
ali1234ah, i reproduced gvfsd bug on natty :)20:52
ali1234and lucid20:53
Myrttimmmm boiled candy with salmiakki powder heart, nomnomnom20:53
Myrttialso: I'm mad, I'm writing a summer job application for my nephew20:54
matti;]20:55
ali1234and maverick, all with clean installs20:55
shaunoshould I be trying beta-1 or nightlies?20:57
ali1234i'm using nightlies20:57
PendulumMyrtti: why are you writing the summer job application?20:57
MyrttiPendulum: because my no good nephew doesn't know how to write one and he needs a summer job :-)20:59
Myrttiwell, no good is an overstatement20:59
Pendulumlazy?20:59
Myrttihe's good in football and playing with PS320:59
MyrttiI guess it goes with being 1520:59
ali1234ok, i updated instructions to reproduce on bug 75152321:05
lubotu3Launchpad bug 751523 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "gnome-system-monitor spams dbus with requests for volume information" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75152321:05
ali1234now it can be reproduced on any of the 6 systems i tried it on21:05
brobostigonam i right in saying, AlanBell will now be managing distribution of the loco's allocated cd's?21:06
* AlanBell distributed 18 today21:07
AlanBellbrobostigon: if you want CDs then put your request on the plan http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/2011plan21:08
AlanBellI don't know when we will get the Natty CDs21:08
brobostigonAlanBell: natty, will be my  interest.21:08
ali1234hmm gvfsd uses 4x as much memory on 64 bit...21:09
AlanBelllooks like I can fill in the form now though21:09
AlanBell* Ubuntu: PC: 25021:09
AlanBell* Kubuntu: PC: 5021:09
AlanBell* Server PC: PC: 5021:09
brobostigonubuntu golf day, :)21:09
brobostigonAlanBell: i just read the post on jono's blog about it.21:10
* AlanBell has submitted the Natty CD request21:11
AlanBellI think we should do a Kubuntu installfest, whilst all wearing blue wigs21:12
brobostigonlol21:13
PendulumAlanBell: will it involve the Chickens too?21:13
* brobostigon could get blue streaks.21:13
AlanBellPendulum: I will of course reserve one CD for the chicken's upgrade21:13
brobostigonhehe21:14
* brobostigon is getting fedup with a certain discussion on the gnome-shell mailing list.21:15
AlanBellif anyone is pondering being an ubuntu member you might want to go and lurk in #ubuntu-meeting where there is a membership board meeting underway now21:15
* brobostigon graceully declines, and thanks AlanBell.21:16
bigcalmAlanBell: what does it mean to be a memeber?21:24
bigcalm-e21:24
AlanBell!member21:24
lubotu3Ubuntu Membership means recognition of a significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu and the Ubuntu community.  For more info see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership21:24
shaunowell that didn't go so well.  installer couldn't find the cdrom21:25
bigcalmI have the feeling that I do bugger all21:25
brobostigoni do what i can, in the way i can. and people know my capabilties and what i have done, so at the moment, i see no need.21:26
ali1234does anyone know how dbus works internally?21:31
ali1234eg when you set a watch on something where is it stored and under what conditions does it get removed?21:32
shaunoI can't figure out where I can download natty that isn't wsu.edu  :/21:32
ali1234http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/21:32
brobostigonshauno: cdimage.ubuntu.com21:32
shaunotried the daily, no go21:32
ali1234http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/beta-1/21:33
ali1234oh, that's a dvd21:33
shaunoah.  wasn't expecting it to be in the releases tree21:33
shaunothe link off ubuntu.com was giving me 22 days :/21:34
OOHey could anyone help me with some sound problems?21:43
brobostigonOO: good evening, could you elaborate abit more please.21:44
OOWell my computer has internal speakers and i can't get them to make any sounds21:44
OOThis is the result of lspci21:45
brobostigon!pastebin21:45
lubotu3For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.21:45
brobostigonOO: please use a pastebin.21:46
OOYeah i was just prepping it for paste.ubuntu.com ;P21:46
brobostigon:)21:46
OOhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/589845/21:46
brobostigonOO: pastebinit is useful, pipe lspci etc into pastebinit, and it automaticlly pastebin's its input.21:47
OOThat's the name of the program?21:48
brobostigonyes.21:49
brobostigonit just saves alittle time.21:49
brobostigonOO: what does alsamixer sayabout it?21:50
popeyOO: what is in /proc/asound/cards ?21:50
OOThis is from ls /proc/acards/ : http://paste.ubuntu.com/589902/21:52
OO/proc/asound/cards is a text document containing the following: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589903/21:53
jonsainthi all. managed to install ubuntu on a dell inspiron mini but unable to get wifi to work. got an exclamation mark on there. entered my details from my wifi but no joy. anyone give advice?21:56
HazRPG\o herro21:56
brobostigonnoswaith dda HazRPG :)21:58
HazRPGbrobostigon: \o :)22:01
brobostigono/22:01
bigcalmEvening aquarius, welcome to the mad house :)22:14
DaraelMad house?  This isn't the mad house!  We can leave any time we want.  Besides, only /some/ of us are mad.22:15
aquariusthe place where you can check out any time you like but you can never leave isn't in the UK, it's in California :)22:16
bigcalmThey have a nice hotel I hear22:16
bigcalmI'm surprised you didn't join sooner. Work gone a little quiet? ;)22:17
* bigcalm moshes while coding to NIN \m/22:19
Pendulumaquarius: congrats :)22:20
bigcalmMySQL question: records have start and end date fields. I need a query that will select records that start, end or completely overlap a given date window. The start and end dates within the date window is easy and working. Stuck on the complete overlap, any ideas?22:21
aquariusPendulum, thanks22:22
Pendulumaquarius: still not sure why it took you longer than it took me, though :P22:23
aquariusbigcalm, more that I keep meaning to and forgetting, and I was reminded and thought: I should just tick "auto-join", shouldn't I?22:23
aquariusPendulum, ah, well, I've gotta prove myself22:23
bigcalmaquarius: aha :)22:23
Pendulumhah22:23
bigcalmaquarius: I saw jono in #lugradio the other day. He muttered something about getting the lads together in the summer. Any news? :D22:24
* bigcalm realises that asking this is akin to asking when oggcamp will be ;)22:25
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popeyhah22:31
* bigcalm tickles popey22:31
AlanBello/ aquarius22:33
aquariushey AlanBell. Thanks for your testimonial!22:33
aquariusbigcalm, that sort of question is 3% dependent on what I think and 97% dependent on when el Baconio is actually in perfidious Albion :)22:34
bigcalm:)22:34
bigcalmDamn it, I want bacon now22:34
bigcalmNo, not Jono :P22:35
bigcalmI have to say, NIN really does work nicely for coding22:37
bigcalmSuits my mood due to sql ticking me off22:37
MasterComputerAnyone alive? I've got a worrying issue here. Anyone know phillw?22:48
PendulumMasterComputer: no one AFAIK knows him in person and he doesn't hang out here22:49
Pendulumbut I also don't know anyone who has seen him around for at least a week on IRC, I think either22:49
Pendulum(I think my last e-mail from him was about a week ago)22:49
MasterComputerPendulum: This is highly worrying, he's gone AWOL, I have no idea what's happened to him. I'm trying to find someone local to him to check up on him.22:50
PendulumMasterComputer: yeah, he didn't hang out in #ubuntu-uk at all. I know generally where in the UK he is, but not specifics22:52
MasterComputerWhat was his usual hangout, Pendulum?22:52
PendulumMasterComputer: I think #ubuntu-beginners for a while. and probably whatever the lubuntu channel is22:53
MasterComputerThank you, Pendulum; I'll check there.22:53
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shauno:/ Beta1 can't find my cdrom either22:56
GuestHey brobostigon and popey, i resolved my sound problems by installing gnome's alsa mixer and unticker Master Mixer (which was ticked to mute). This was something I couldn't access from LXDE's volume control. Sound works now :)22:58
GuestThanks for the help you two gave me :)22:58
brobostigon:)22:59
brobostigonGuest: you're welcome.22:59
GuestI was OO, btw23:00
GuestThat nicks currently unavailable for some unknown reason lol23:00
brobostigon22:56:47 -!- Guest [~OO@unaffiliated/oo] has joined #ubuntu-uk23:00
brobostigoni could tell, :)23:00
bigcalmguest: you could /msg nickserv ghost oo23:01
bigcalmOh, it isn't active23:01
brobostigoni just checked, the nick OO is still logged in.23:01
* bigcalm shrugs, smiles and returns to MySQL23:01
brobostigonit is showing as connedted to freenode but no channels.23:02
brobostigonanyway, i need sleep,23:02
brobostigonnos da everyone, sleep well.23:02
shaunoIs there any way to tell d-i what device the disk is on?23:02
GuestNight night23:02
brobostigonnight Guest.23:03
brobostigonshauno: d-i ?23:03
shaunothe installer23:03
brobostigonubiquity?23:04
brobostigon!info ubiquity23:04
lubotu3ubiquity (source: ubiquity): Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.8 (maverick), package size 4041 kB, installed size 14260 kB23:04
AlanBelld-i is debian installer on the alternate CD23:04
brobostigoni was just going to ask.23:04
shaunoText based, can't launch the livecd without being able to find disk either23:04
shaunoSorry, thumbing away at phone do not so snappy responses23:05
brobostigonshauno: i would go to serperate terminal and run fdisk -l and or df -h -T23:05
AlanBelldo you have a particularly strange configuration shauno?23:05
shaunoI can find it, it's /dev/sg023:05
GuestAh no bos i said night night because i thought you were going to bed :P23:05
AlanBellor a really really old/new/odd CD drive?23:06
brobostigonGuest: i was, untill shauno'squestion came up.23:06
shaunoWeek-old MacBook pro. Only oddity I can tell with drive is that dvdrw is sata too23:06
brobostigonnos da everyone, sleep well.23:06
brobostigonnight Guest :)23:07
Guestnighty23:07
bigcalmGood night brobostigon23:07
brobostigonnight bigcalm23:07
Guest:)23:07
brobostigon:)23:07
AlanBellshauno: ah, new *and* odd23:10
shaunoOh that's odd. Mount /dev/sg0 says it's not a block device23:10
AlanBellthat will be similar to an issue popey had23:10
AlanBellkernel bug23:10
AlanBellit is initialising the CD incorrectly in some way23:11
shaunoAwesome. No mention on wiki :(23:11
AlanBellI think his issue was with the hard drive controller though23:11
popeyhmm?23:12
AlanBellnew macbook pro not recognising the CD drive when the kernel starts actually trying to drive it23:12
popeynope23:13
popeynot recognising the sata controller23:13
popeyso can't see hdd23:13
shaunoI 'seem' to have a hdd, based on /dev/sda1 & 2 existing23:13
shaunono 'file' in busybox so couldn't tell much better than that23:13
shaunohm, no mention at all in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-1/Natty or the forum thread it points to :(23:19
shaunophotos of screen = screenshot ftw.23:31
GuestAnyone had anyluck running flux?23:35
GuestIt wont change my computers brightness23:36
bigcalmguest: I've tried it in Windows and Ubuntu, sadly it makes me ill23:36
GuestI can't do without it, my eyes are actually hurting at the moment :(23:37
GuestWhy does it make you ill?23:37
bigcalmThat I don't know23:37
GuestNausic?23:37
bigcalmMake me feel sick, akin to motion sickness23:37
bigcalmYep23:37
GuestMaybe you've got sensitive eyes23:37
bigcalmEvery girl I've dated has said I have nice eyes ;)23:38
Guest:D Not to sure why flux isn't working, terminal output tells me nothing23:39
GuestAnd damn, vlc looks ugly in lxde23:39
shaunookay, the sata controller appears to be alive.  I can mount /dev/sda1, but /dev/sg0 isn't a block device23:40
GuestAh i see, vlc uses qt wheras lxde is best suited for gtk+23:40
shaunoso it doesn't appear to be 576601; their suggestion to use nomodeset makes no difference, and sda seems sensible23:42
popeyshauno: mine is a 7,1 not an 8,123:44
directhexhm, kindle is debian-based. i didn't know that.23:45
popeyit is!?23:45
bigcalmIsn't everything these days?23:45
shaunois there a way to find out what driver is attached to something in /dev/?23:47
shaunosg0 is 21,0 which is correct, but not answering as a block device is well funky23:48
GuestStrange request: Can anyone recommend a wallpaper?23:49
directhexGuest, this: http://sadpanda.us/images/188309-HO1SXX9.jpg23:50
bigcalmguest: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/sets/72057594070877691/23:50
bigcalmdirecthex: nice23:51
DasEiGuest: do your own with digicam23:52
bigcalmLooking at those photos makes me want to get out with my camera again and add to the collection23:52
DasEishauno: hwinfo -v , or look through lsmod23:53
bigcalmSlumber time, night all23:57
shaunoneither appear to be in initramfs :/23:57

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