| === Hornet- is now known as Hornet | ||
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Natty In The Final Stretch: A Retrospective - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/05/natty-in-the-final-stretch-a-retrospective/ | 02:24 |
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| HazRPG | \o | 05:09 |
| Severian | Howdy. In the last show, I think you were confused about the name of the distro you were talking about. Did you just not want to say oneiric? | 05:38 |
| HazRPG | might just be because there is a narwals song form weebl stuff lol | 05:39 |
| HazRPG | notice how omgubuntu have the narwals narwals swimming through the ocean on their home page | 05:39 |
| Severian | No, my mistake. 11.04 is Natty. They were right. | 05:44 |
| HazRPG | Severian: hehe, you were thinking a release ahead Oneiric Ocelot :P | 05:52 |
| Severian | I was. I like that Oneiric name. | 05:52 |
| HazRPG | Ocelot's look cute too! | 05:53 |
| Severian | I am getting more concerned that the Natty release may fail big. | 05:54 |
| HazRPG | I know what you mean | 05:54 |
| HazRPG | the next one Oneiric Ocelot has already been confirmed by Shuttleworth that its not going to contain gnome-classic on it too :( | 05:55 |
| Severian | That seems like it is designed to keep Ubuntu off a lot of computers. There are a lot of machines that can't handle 3D. Unity may be usable by then, so I am not panicking yet. | 05:57 |
| Severian | Unity looks nice now. But, I don't consider something that crashes multiple times per day usable for the average person. | 05:57 |
| HazRPG | agreed | 06:09 |
| HazRPG | Mmm... coffee and cheese sandwiches, breakfast meal for kings right :P | 06:25 |
| MartijnVdS | morning | 06:38 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: morning dude | 06:39 |
| MartijnVdS | Dentist time.. *urgh* | 06:43 |
| HazRPG | :( | 06:44 |
| MartijnVdS | just a check-up, but still | 06:44 |
| === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski | ||
| ivanka | matti: AlanBell: morning | 07:25 |
| ivanka | matti: AlanBell: better? http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-logo-and-circle-of-friends/ | 07:26 |
| czajkowski | morning | 07:31 |
| ivanka | czajkowski: morning :-) | 07:31 |
| HazRPG | morning guys \o | 07:32 |
| czajkowski | ivanka: you're on here very early | 07:32 |
| ivanka | czajkowski: fancy retweeting my logo thing? | 07:32 |
| ivanka | czajkowski: lots to do :-) | 07:32 |
| czajkowski | can do | 07:32 |
| czajkowski | ahh I remember iain gave out over my twiiter pic as I was using the old one | 07:33 |
| czajkowski | http://twibbon.com/Search?searchQuery=ubuntu | 07:33 |
| czajkowski | we need to upload the new one there | 07:33 |
| ivanka | czajkowski: can anyone do that? | 07:34 |
| ivanka | what needs to be done? | 07:34 |
| czajkowski | ivanka: aye anyone can see my twitter pic twitter.com/czajkowski I've the twibbon ubuntu circle of friends on there, if the new one is uploaded I can change mine | 07:35 |
| czajkowski | ivanka: tweet done | 07:35 |
| * popey does as ivanka asks an retweets her :p | 07:36 | |
| czajkowski | ivanka: if you want any more done just hollar | 07:40 |
| ivanka | thank you popey :-) | 07:43 |
| ivanka | thank you czajkowski | 07:44 |
| czajkowski | really dislike it when folks pick on the oss/foss rants. | 07:44 |
| czajkowski | ivanka: no bother | 07:44 |
| daubers | Morning | 07:48 |
| czajkowski | ivanka: whooooo | 07:49 |
| czajkowski | @D | 07:49 |
| ivanka | czajkowski: what we whoooo-ing? | 07:49 |
| * ivanka lost the thread | 07:50 | |
| czajkowski | ivanka: I now have the new logo on my twitter pic | 07:52 |
| ivanka | czajkowski: yay!!!! | 07:52 |
| xwx | oh？ | 07:53 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 07:54 |
| daubers | MooDoo: o/ | 07:54 |
| MooDoo | :) | 07:54 |
| ivanka | czajkowski: you have cleverly managed to have both :-) | 07:55 |
| czajkowski | I jnow... | 07:56 |
| czajkowski | trying to fix that now | 07:56 |
| czajkowski | cant find that pic so need to upload a new pic | 07:56 |
| ivanka | czajkowski: oh no! all this work before 8am - I opened a can of worms! | 07:58 |
| czajkowski | done | 07:59 |
| czajkowski | new pic added and new twibbon | 07:59 |
| czajkowski | :D | 07:59 |
| czajkowski | http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/04/04/why-being-an-approved-loco-team-doesnt-actually-matter-a-jot/ some comments and thoughts have been left | 08:01 |
| czajkowski | always shocked when people read the blog | 08:02 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: why? | 08:02 |
| czajkowski | my blog posts tend to not be exciting more references for myself tbh | 08:03 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: people read them becase they are interesting and inciteful | 08:03 |
| directhex | blarg | 08:04 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: that and your famous now ;) lol | 08:05 |
| czajkowski | famous ? | 08:05 |
| daubers | How come I always end up playing around with partitions at 8am :( | 08:06 |
| czajkowski | angry birds on the ipad is addictive | 08:06 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: rio?~ | 08:06 |
| MooDoo | the new angry birds rio rocks | 08:06 |
| czajkowski | rio? | 08:06 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: yeah it's a new angry birds | 08:07 |
| czajkowski | no the angry birds HD on ipad2 | 08:07 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: ah! yes that's brill too.... | 08:07 |
| * MooDoo plays AB on his android, looses hours. | 08:07 | |
| * daubers hopes his package arrives today | 08:10 | |
| daubers | Urgh... this USB stick is getting slow :( | 08:10 |
| HazRPG | hmm, wouldn't it be random if someone interfaced facebook with irc | 08:11 |
| * MooDoo closed down his FB account for a month, and to be honest isn't missing it. | 08:11 | |
| HazRPG | MooDoo: not an awful lot goes on in facebook in all honesty | 08:12 |
| HazRPG | mainly just a drama fest. | 08:12 |
| MooDoo | HazRPG: i know, i was just uding it too much | 08:15 |
| HazRPG | uding? | 08:18 |
| MooDoo | HazRPG: typo | 08:18 |
| HazRPG | ah | 08:18 |
| HazRPG | yeah | 08:18 |
| HazRPG | I barely use mine in all fairness - people think I use it a lot because I constantly have youtube streams on it, but that's just because I set youtube to send in links whenever I click "like" on a video | 08:19 |
| HazRPG | so I pick videos I think others might want to see and click like on them | 08:20 |
| HazRPG | how do I upgrade the kernel stuff with command line? | 08:23 |
| HazRPG | typing in sudo apt-get upgrade doesn't seem to do it, it just lists that they're there | 08:23 |
| MooDoo | apt-get dist-upgrade? | 08:23 |
| * MooDoo isn't thinking right this morning, so ignore that if it doesn't work lol | 08:24 | |
| directhex | upgrade does not install new unseen packages. | 08:24 |
| directhex | dist-upgrade does. | 08:24 |
| HazRPG | I always thought dist-upgrade was from going between release to release (e.g. 10.10 -> 11.04) | 08:26 |
| MooDoo | isn't that upgrade-manager? | 08:27 |
| MooDoo | update manager even | 08:27 |
| directhex | HazRPG, well, it does that too | 08:27 |
| directhex | HazRPG, but any case where upgrading a package on your system would involve installing a new package or removing an old one, "upgrade" will skip | 08:28 |
| HazRPG | ah ok | 08:29 |
| HazRPG | (Y) | 08:29 |
| * daubers head desks | 08:34 | |
| MooDoo | :) | 08:34 |
| daubers | I've just seen someone use a URL shortening service to make a URL longer.... | 08:34 |
| MooDoo | lol | 08:34 |
| daubers | http://bit.ly/the_oatmeal_com | 08:34 |
| === chalced is now known as chalcedony | ||
| hoover | mornin all | 08:42 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 08:45 |
| DJones | Morning folks | 08:45 |
| === ivanka is now known as ivanka-train | ||
| MooDoo | AlanBell: DJones morning | 08:46 |
| DJones | Hi MooDoo | 08:47 |
| directhex | broad bands! | 08:52 |
| MooDoo | directhex: wide elastic bands ? ;) | 08:52 |
| AlanBell | ivanka-train: o/ | 08:59 |
| AlanBell | ivanka-train: the top two are not #dd4814 but overall much more suitable for web use | 08:59 |
| Compacthack | Morning all | 08:59 |
| HazRPG | :o! | 09:00 |
| HazRPG | http://store.neurosky.com/products/myndplay | 09:00 |
| HazRPG | its a media player that alters things as and when your thinking them! | 09:00 |
| ivanka-train | AlanBell: I noticed the colour discrepancy, was going to pick up with Marcus this morning | 09:00 |
| gord | i have so many fans on this damn computer it sometimes feels like i'm in the crystal maze dome | 09:02 |
| daubers | CAN YOU START THE FANS.. PLEASE! | 09:02 |
| daubers | What happened to the Crystal Maze? | 09:03 |
| HazRPG | daubers: \o/ | 09:03 |
| HazRPG | daubers: people became stupider? | 09:03 |
| HazRPG | daubers: reality TV took over sadly :( | 09:03 |
| daubers | HazRPG: thought that was what happened to the Krypton Factor? | 09:03 |
| gord | ran out of crystals :( | 09:05 |
| MooDoo | gord: dylithium? | 09:06 |
| wintellect | Mornin peeps | 09:06 |
| daubers | gord: But did you get enough gold and silver things to win a holiday in Dartmoor? | 09:06 |
| directhex | gord, use quieter fans? | 09:08 |
| gord | directhex, these are quiet fans :) its the air moving sound not the fan sound | 09:09 |
| gord | just that i move quite a lot of air | 09:09 |
| popey | morning | 09:11 |
| popey | hello Paul2 | 09:12 |
| Paul2 | hello popey | 09:12 |
| Paul2 | why is this in irssi autojoin, I definately saved my config more recently than I was in here | 09:12 |
| DJones | daubers: Indiana Jones got to the end of the Crystal maze and found the crystal skull | 09:14 |
| daubers | DJones: Thought they where aliens | 09:24 |
| DJones | daubers: Harrison Ford...... | 09:24 |
| oimon | i almost walked out of the cinema at the end of crystal skull | 09:25 |
| oimon | in disgust. one of the last films i watched at the cinema | 09:25 |
| * MooDoo walked out on the exorcist once | 09:26 | |
| oimon | not surprised | 09:26 |
| oimon | when you don't go to the cinema often, you notice how much has changed. suddenly you have to sit through 20 mins of adverts (not even trailers) - can't be bothered with that, i'll wait for the dvd - then they start putting ads on dvds! | 09:28 |
| directhex | oimon, you don't remember the trailers at the start of videotapes? | 09:31 |
| oimon | directhex: they were trailers for films, and were quite fun if i correctly recall. now they are ads for chocolates and perfume | 09:32 |
| diplo | that's why the first thing I do when I buy my kids DVD's is to rip them to film only | 09:33 |
| diplo | And either reburn them or stick on my media centre | 09:34 |
| oimon | not to mention the "if you torrent this film then you won't be forced to watch this piracy advert" advert | 09:34 |
| diplo | Some of my kids films have got 10+ mins of trailers | 09:34 |
| oimon | diplo: time consuming though to rip and convert, i guess? | 09:34 |
| diplo | nah, as soon as i get home rip off the selophane and chuck in pc, 20 mins later or so it's done | 09:35 |
| oimon | wow | 09:35 |
| diplo | Taken a while to go through what I already had, just got to be on the ball when you first get it | 09:35 |
| diplo | need more disc space now though :) | 09:36 |
| oimon | how do you rip film only? | 09:36 |
| oimon | special app? | 09:36 |
| diplo | Handbrake or windows apps if i can't get to rip under linux | 09:36 |
| diplo | Did write a bash script to go through lot's of iso's | 09:36 |
| diplo | sorta worked ok | 09:36 |
| diplo | So basically ripped 20-30 dvd's and it basically looped through and ripped them to mkv's | 09:37 |
| MooDoo | diplo: dvdshrink? | 09:37 |
| oimon | is mkv the best futureproof format? | 09:37 |
| AlanBell | diplo: quite agree, it is crazy the non-skippable stuff on kids films | 09:37 |
| diplo | yeah some times, or DVDFab | 09:37 |
| diplo | Well mkv allows chapters oimon | 09:37 |
| diplo | So you can skip etc | 09:38 |
| diplo | Where as mp4 doesn't afaik | 09:38 |
| oimon | i have some digital video footage of my sisters kids when they were babies, i was thinking about archiving them properly | 09:38 |
| TheAshMan | Is there a way to shorten the path when in a terminal window? so instead of me@mycomp:~/Some/Really/Long/Path/Here/Taking/Up/Lots/Of/Screen/Real/Estate$, it shows me@mycomp:~/Something$ | 09:38 |
| directhex | mp4 has a very high compatibility, so if you want your files to work everywhere, use that | 09:39 |
| MartijnVdS | TheAshMan: there is. | 09:39 |
| MartijnVdS | TheAshMan: let me find it | 09:39 |
| popey | \o/ just ordered two hdmi cables from amazon. £1.45 each | 09:39 |
| oimon | "Just under a half of iPhone users earn less than £20,000 a year, compared with 38 per cent who own a BlackBerry and 27 per cent of Android users." | 09:39 |
| TheAshMan | MartijnVdS, That would be great! Thanks | 09:39 |
| diplo | yeah i agree directhex, mp4 works on PS3 where as mkv doesn't | 09:39 |
| popey | they have some that are 34p + 99p P&P | 09:39 |
| directhex | oimon, [cite]? | 09:40 |
| MartijnVdS | TheAshMan: check for PROMPT_DIRTRIM in the bash manual ("man bash") | 09:40 |
| TheAshMan | Awesome, cheers | 09:40 |
| oimon | directhex: a study for digital banking provider Intelligent Environments [lots of hits on google news, and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1373055/Why-iPhone-users-look-rich-usually-poor.html ] | 09:41 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 09:43 |
| AlanBell | oimon: http://flowingdata.com/2010/08/11/iphone-users-are-more-promiscuous/ | 09:45 |
| oimon | hehe | 09:45 |
| DJones | Heh, http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Prototype.aspx Due for release in June 2010, I doubt they're going to make June 2011 if the prototypes are anything to go by | 09:53 |
| directhex | why? | 09:55 |
| DJones | It still looks to be a fair way from being complete | 09:55 |
| directhex | seems a silly product | 09:55 |
| oimon | "Our new Commodore operating system, will be a unique Commodore and AMIGA centric Linux distribution, that will grow over time into something far greater. " | 09:55 |
| directhex | oimon, wait, they're not using amigaos? o_o | 09:56 |
| oimon | "Units come with the Ubuntu 10.04 LTS operating system. Commodore OS 1.0, along with emulation functionality, will be mailed to purchasers when available" | 09:56 |
| directhex | oh, of course, amigaos 4 is for PPC, and they're using a crap-end x86 | 09:57 |
| oimon | nostalgia is fun and powerful enough to expend hard earned cash on , but $600 worth? | 09:57 |
| directhex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AmigaOS_4.1_Update_2.png | 09:58 |
| oimon | Dual Core 525 Atom processor and the latest Nvidia Ion2 graphics chipset | 09:58 |
| oimon | does anyone know what microsoft campus agreement is? | 10:04 |
| directhex | oimon, yes. | 10:05 |
| oimon | is it where a university sells its soul for free use of MS software across campus? | 10:06 |
| directhex | more or less, yes. it's a site license for stuff on uni computers (but explicitly not for home machines) | 10:06 |
| oimon | is it expensive? | 10:07 |
| directhex | yes. | 10:07 |
| oimon | :( | 10:07 |
| directhex | but cheaper than a separate license for every box. | 10:07 |
| oimon | our dept don't use MS software on 90% of our machines, so we are effectively contributing to something we don't use as part of our topslice | 10:08 |
| directhex | yes, that's correct | 10:09 |
| directhex | you may also have other site licenses covered via your topslicing | 10:09 |
| directhex | e.g. matlab | 10:09 |
| oimon | stage 1 of the microsftisation (against 99% of the staff's wishes) is complete | 10:09 |
| directhex | hummingbird exceed | 10:10 |
| directhex | mathematica | 10:10 |
| directhex | etc | 10:10 |
| oimon | directhex: no we pay for the mathematica etc stuff ourselves | 10:10 |
| oimon | we are getting stitched up basically | 10:10 |
| oimon | stage 2= get AD, stage 3= exchange srever, stage 4= office 365 for students | 10:10 |
| oimon | stage 5 = oimon gets a different job | 10:10 |
| oimon | If you do not submit an extension order (one-year option) or anniversary order (three-year option), sign a new subscription enrollment, or exercise the Buy-out option, you are required to remove all products from every computer | 10:11 |
| directhex | oimon, stage 5, free xboxes for all! | 10:12 |
| MartijnVdS | stage 6 = oimon's old workplace crashes & burns because he's not there anymore to maintain it? | 10:12 |
| directhex | oimon, oh, yes, it's a lease, not a purchase. | 10:12 |
| oimon | all this makes oimon very sad | 10:13 |
| directhex | oimon, yes, it punishes those who aren't using CA products. but the same goes for any site license | 10:14 |
| oimon | i stopped caring about my workplace after getting made redundant too many times. then i started again, by actually thinking i could make systems run nicely and make a difference to people. | 10:14 |
| oimon | here's an email i received today "Thanks a lot, and thanks too for all the help you've given me over the last few years. I think you guys do a cracking job in IT support and I hope the people at my next uni are as good as you." | 10:14 |
| directhex | appreciative users? what is this madness? | 10:15 |
| oimon | i got sucked in, got emotionally involved :( now they want to rip out all the good we've done :'( | 10:15 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Stuart Langridge] Ubuntu and Android, sitting in a tree (nearly) - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/04/05/ubuntu-and-android-sitting-in-a-tree-nearly- | 10:27 |
| bigcalm | There must an easier way of doing this in PHP? if (in_array($i, array(10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190))) { ... } | 10:31 |
| soneill | if($i %10 == 0) {} | 10:32 |
| bigcalm | Thank you! | 10:32 |
| bigcalm | I knew it was to do with % but I couldn't work out how to google it :) | 10:32 |
| soneill | http://uk.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.arithmetic.php | 10:33 |
| jonny | it is called a modulo operation | 10:33 |
| bigcalm | I should put it on a post-it really ;) | 10:33 |
| bigcalm | My monitors are littered with post-its | 10:34 |
| oimon | bigcalm: you mean tomboy :P | 10:35 |
| bigcalm | oimon: I'm using windows and that's another application to keep running and a window to hunt for :) | 10:35 |
| Laney | i heard the maintainer of tomboy is sexy | 10:36 |
| * Laney runs | 10:36 | |
| bigcalm | Laney: who might that be? | 10:36 |
| Laney | jus' some guy | 10:37 |
| bigcalm | I'm guessing somebody in here | 10:37 |
| Laney | lookin' for a break | 10:37 |
| Laney | depends if you mean upstream or debian maintainer | 10:37 |
| popey | :) | 10:37 |
| * bigcalm shrugs | 10:38 | |
| oimon | the great thing about tomboy is that i am on v1.2.2 and had never thought of upgrading version until i saw popey's tweet about 1.6 today. in terms of bugs etc, i have no issues | 10:38 |
| bigcalm | Morning popey :) | 10:38 |
| Laney | anyway, he's very sexy | 10:38 |
| Laney | all the girls love him | 10:38 |
| bigcalm | Laney: lucky him. I'm happy with the love of my fiancee :) | 10:38 |
| Laney | :-) | 10:39 |
| Pendulum | I'm glad that I'm old enough to be considered a woman not a girl since otherwise I'd apparently be obligated to love a guy I have no interest in :-/ | 10:42 |
| Laney | all the men also want to be him | 10:43 |
| Laney | nobody gets off scot free | 10:43 |
| MooDoo | i don't, i'm me :D and that's good enough :) | 10:43 |
| MooDoo | lol | 10:43 |
| Pendulum | Laney: I'm female. I also really don't have any interest in loving men. So, yeah, I think I'm outside this circle. | 10:44 |
| MooDoo | i love me, myself and i :) | 10:44 |
| * bigcalm hugs Pendulum | 10:45 | |
| directhex | i love cake. shame about the diet | 10:46 |
| * Pendulum hugs bigcalm | 10:46 | |
| * MooDoo holds up a sign "free hugs" | 10:47 | |
| BigRedS | Hah. Just had a discussion about ubuntu being 'hippyware', come in here and MooDoo's going round offering free hugs | 10:47 |
| BigRedS | :) | 10:47 |
| MooDoo | BigRedS: yeah baby ;) want some mint tea? | 10:48 |
| oimon | :( sent some funds from my current account to my savings account for the ISA deadline and they haven't turned up yet :( | 10:48 |
| bigcalm | oimon: that's because you sent them to my ISA, ta very much :D | 10:51 |
| oimon | starting to worry about that. HBOS said the funds would be there on 4 april.. today is 5 april | 10:51 |
| === tim__ is now known as mistertim | ||
| mistertim | Hey all - got a quick question - I seem to have consistently high load average on my laptop at the moment, but low CPU usage. In the course of investigating, I found a few processes that have a high major page fault rate (200 - 300 nFLT in top - does this qualify as 'high'?), but I've got bags of RAM free and no swap space is being used. Any pointers about what might be going wrong? | 11:00 |
| mistertim | aah hang on - is nFLT cumulative? if so that might not be the problem at all | 11:00 |
| popey | mistertim: pastebin the output from "top"? | 11:02 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 11:02 |
| popey | lo | 11:02 |
| brobostigon | hey popey | 11:03 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 11:03 |
| * davmor2 gives czajkowski a back brace | 11:03 | |
| mistertim | popey: http://pastebin.com/a2LZ5QxQ - thanks! | 11:04 |
| BigRedS | mistertim: if load is high but cpu and mem aren't, it's probably I/O | 11:04 |
| oimon | mistertim: do you have iowait? check iostat 60 for iowait % , | 11:04 |
| mistertim | oimon: Iowait is very low - less than 1% | 11:05 |
| mistertim | actually i'm a bit confused about swap space | 11:05 |
| mistertim | says the total is 0k but several processes claim to be using some in their columns | 11:05 |
| oimon | mistertim: something doesn't add up - load average is high but i don't see any running processes. try vmstat 1 for a minute or so and check the first column | 11:07 |
| popey | mistertim: how many cores ? | 11:07 |
| popey | what cpu is it? | 11:07 |
| directhex | boo, iowait | 11:08 |
| mistertim | popey: 2 cores, will double check the exact model now | 11:09 |
| popey | cat /proc/cpuinfo | 11:09 |
| brobostigon | some final(v.3) gnome3 updates from the gnome3-team, no breakeage. :) | 11:09 |
| popey | that load average doesn't look high to me | 11:09 |
| mistertim | popey: intel core 2 duo 2.4ghz | 11:10 |
| popey | you have a fair few chrome windows open | 11:10 |
| mistertim | popey: aah, interesting. it might be nothing then - | 11:11 |
| popey | whats the problem you're experiencing? | 11:11 |
| oimon | popey: what's your load aver? mine is <1 | 11:11 |
| popey | oimon: depends which box I look at | 11:11 |
| mistertim | it just seemed higher than usual is all | 11:11 |
| popey | may well be higher than normal | 11:11 |
| mistertim | mine is typically <1 too - and gnome system monitor consistently reports 5-6 at the mo | 11:11 |
| ging | is there a command to reset gnome panels to the ubuntu default ? | 11:12 |
| oimon | max load = number of cores | 11:12 |
| oimon | is a good rule | 11:12 |
| mistertim | may well be all the chrome tabs, but that hasn't been a problem in the past | 11:12 |
| mistertim | oimon: aah that's useful | 11:12 |
| oimon | mistertim: i was thinking that you have a lot of chrome processes | 11:12 |
| popey | is there a lot of flash in those tabs? | 11:12 |
| mistertim | popey: I've got flashblock installed, so noen | 11:12 |
| mistertim | none | 11:12 |
| popey | heh | 11:12 |
| mistertim | may be an extension though | 11:13 |
| mistertim | will disable some and have a look | 11:13 |
| oimon | the problem could be cyclical, that's why i suggest running system monitor GUI and vmstat 1 for a few mins | 11:13 |
| brobostigon | oimon: i have one cpu, with a single core, and regulaerly during updates get load average above 3, so that rule doesnt apply. | 11:13 |
| mistertim | oimon: i have vmstat running now, number of running procs is all over the place | 11:13 |
| popey | brobostigon: it wasnt a rule | 11:13 |
| popey | it was a guideline for "normal" operation | 11:14 |
| brobostigon | popey: well, ok, my misinterpretation. | 11:14 |
| brobostigon | sorry, | 11:14 |
| mistertim | seems to leap between <10 and ~40 fairly freuently | 11:14 |
| popey | we have boxes here that go to 40-50 load average | 11:14 |
| popey | mistertim: what does? | 11:14 |
| brobostigon | popey: oimon called it a rule. if you look back. | 11:14 |
| mistertim | popey: column 'r' from vmstat | 11:14 |
| oimon | it's a rule of thumb, the 15 min load ave is 5.50, which to me means overload | 11:14 |
| popey | rule of thumb == guideline | 11:15 |
| popey | mistertim: isnt that your chromium processes all waking up? | 11:15 |
| brobostigon | ok, fine, i seemed to have misinterpretated oimon's words, sorry. | 11:15 |
| popey | mistertim: mine is 0 :) | 11:15 |
| oimon | if your processor jumps to 50 momentarily, it's ok. but if it can't sort out that stuff quickly, then it is overloaded. that's why the 1,5, 15 min averages are useful | 11:16 |
| oimon | mistertim: i bet if you do "ps -ef | grep chromium-browser | wc -l" you will get 40 | 11:16 |
| mistertim | popey: hah! that would be likely | 11:16 |
| mistertim | popey: 45. Mystery solved i think | 11:17 |
| mistertim | thanks a lot chaps - it may have been nothing, but i've certainly learnt a fair bit! :-) | 11:18 |
| oimon | mistertim: do you have a current version of chrome? | 11:18 |
| mistertim | oimon: nightly builds - possibly not today's though | 11:18 |
| mistertim | it can be a bit flaky tbh | 11:18 |
| mistertim | hah, killed chrome and the load av dropped like a stone | 11:19 |
| mistertim | only 1 running proc now | 11:19 |
| mistertim | i think that clears it up | 11:19 |
| dwatkins | magic | 11:19 |
| dwatkins | chrome has its own task manager, as you may know - shift+escape | 11:20 |
| dwatkins | (it sometimes doesn't display and you have to choose "view background pages" in the manu) | 11:20 |
| dwatkins | *menu | 11:20 |
| mistertim | dwatkins: ooh, that's very useful | 11:20 |
| dwatkins | it's a lot easier than running strace on the process ;) | 11:21 |
| popey | nice one | 11:21 |
| mistertim | brb reboot | 11:23 |
| === tim_ is now known as mistertim | ||
| === andylock1an is now known as andylockran | ||
| * TheOpenSourcerer wonders how on earth Gwibber made it into the default Ubuntu install - it's very unreliable and a process hog. | 11:34 | |
| davmor2 | popey: I'm wondering how accurate google latitude is are you really stood in the carpark? | 11:34 |
| directhex | TheOpenSourcerer, because there's no good mono-based twitter client to force on people! | 11:37 |
| dwatkins | I'm glad it's not just me that had problems with Gwibber. I thought I'd done something wrong on my install, as people seemed to be raving about it. | 11:37 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I think hotot could be a decent replacement. It's still a bit rough around the edges but pretty good from my initial experiences. | 11:38 |
| oimon | gwibber is probably the buggiest software ever included on a default install | 11:38 |
| oimon | TheOpenSourcerer: it's QT thought i think.. | 11:38 |
| oimon | TheOpenSourcerer: actually it's gtk2 | 11:39 |
| popey | davmor2: on my phone it shows me inside the building, just | 11:39 |
| oimon | it just looks a bit out of place on my desktop! | 11:39 |
| Severian | Are ther any decent mono apps? There are not any I use. Partially, that is by design, but no mono app ever seemed like worth trying. | 11:39 |
| oimon | Severian: tomboy | 11:39 |
| popey | Tomboy, Banshee | 11:39 |
| oimon | docky | 11:39 |
| oimon | all my faves :) | 11:40 |
| popey | :) | 11:40 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Yeah - styling isn't the best, and I don't like the way it floods libnotify every time you start it with old mentions but otherwise it seems reliable and lightweight. | 11:40 |
| sagaci | Severian: banshee | 11:40 |
| Laney | all of these http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-cli-apps-team@lists.alioth.debian.org | 11:40 |
| oimon | TheOpenSourcerer: yeah, especially when the old mentions were just truncated tweets that converted oimon**** into oimon | 11:40 |
| popey | ooo, giver still exists? | 11:41 |
| Severian | I don't know docky. I'll go read about that. I like VLC, and I have not seen any advantage to banshee. | 11:41 |
| popey | banshee is a music player/manager | 11:41 |
| popey | vlc is (mostly) a video player | 11:41 |
| oimon | banshee is the only music app i've stayed with for more than 3 months after the demise of amarok 1.x | 11:41 |
| directhex | jesus christ, how frequently does this come up? | 11:41 |
| davmor2 | popey: http://ubuntuone.com/p/kyW/ nope that'll be the edge of the loading bay that will :P | 11:42 |
| popey | banshee has some very sweet features | 11:42 |
| directhex | VLC AND BANSHEE ARE NOT THE SAME TYPE OF APP | 11:42 |
| directhex | it's like comparing EOG and GIMP | 11:42 |
| popey | heh | 11:42 |
| Severian | I use VLC for music all the time. It is nice and simple. | 11:42 |
| oimon | Severian: but do you have a library of music files? | 11:42 |
| popey | vlc is missing great swathes of functionality that banshee has | 11:42 |
| directhex | vlc is a file player! | 11:42 |
| Severian | sure. I have a few hundred CDs converted to ogg files. | 11:43 |
| oimon | does anyone know how to get banshee to view the music as a file tree, like amarok's file view? | 11:43 |
| popey | davmor2: maybe I like sitting in the loading bay ;D | 11:43 |
| Severian | directhex, right, that is one of it's best features. | 11:43 |
| directhex | oimon, banshee doesn't have a file approach. it runs everything from the library. | 11:43 |
| directhex | oimon, if you want a file tree, it's not the app for you | 11:43 |
| davmor2 | popey: that's your story and your sticking to it right :D | 11:43 |
| directhex | Severian, it's a very powerful file player, but it's just a file player, and it's not the same type of app as a library player | 11:44 |
| oimon | directhex: was hoping for an extension .. i still catch mrs oimon using amarok 1 | 11:44 |
| Severian | directhex, I think I agree and that is why I use VLC. It does the important stuff and stay out of the way with the stuff that is just distracting. | 11:45 |
| oimon | Severian: how do you manage playlists, and play whole albums ? | 11:45 |
| oimon | or find a song on a compilation somewhere | 11:46 |
| Severian | Each album is in a directory. I just play the directory to play the album. | 11:46 |
| diplo | yeah i use VLC for that sometimes on my windows box | 11:46 |
| Severian | I don't have any colpilation albums. I lump those into a various folder where the files are named by artist and song. It seems quite simple and easy to use. | 11:47 |
| Severian | colpilation -> compiliation | 11:47 |
| davmor2 | popey: you want hope you boss doesn't have latitude he'll dock you money while you're out in the carpark not working :D | 11:47 |
| * popey runs inside | 11:48 | |
| directhex | Severian, and to play a specific song, rather than an album? | 11:48 |
| Severian | I also have an icecast server running playing a random assortment of songs. Sometimes, I tune VLC to that. | 11:48 |
| Severian | To play a song, I select the song. | 11:48 |
| directhex | Severian, select from where? | 11:48 |
| oimon | Severian: we're not saying that you are doing it wrong..but there are now music library apps that take the effort out of choosing songs etc | 11:49 |
| Severian | I select it from the album it is in. | 11:49 |
| oimon | using nautilus/file browser? | 11:49 |
| directhex | Severian, so you need to have the track listings for indivdual albums memorised? | 11:49 |
| * daubers notes city link has 10 minutes to deliver stuff after failing to deliver it on saturday, and failing to have it in the depot when I arranged to collect it yesterday | 11:49 | |
| davmor2 | Severian: different people have different need I listen to music all day I don't want to have to pick the next track I want it to just play, I have podcasts I listen to I don't want to have to go off and download each one when I have a music/podcast library tool do that for me etc etc etc | 11:50 |
| Severian | I am not saying I am doing it the only way. I am just trying to understand why the "library" approach would make my life any easier or do a better job. | 11:50 |
| directhex | Severian, then i repeat my question. in order to play a given track you're in the mood for, you need to memorize which album it's from, to open the right folder for that file? | 11:51 |
| Severian | I don't listen to music all day. Maybe, if I listened more, I would see a difference. I mostly listen to podcasts or from one of my icecast feeds. I have another one that streams Melvin Bragg. | 11:51 |
| oimon | Severian: a music library app such as banshee can present songs which are your favourites/unheard/recently added, all songs by a particular artist across all albums, song search, etc | 11:52 |
| Severian | directhex, yes. But, I always know the album, anyway. | 11:52 |
| oimon | i still tend to listen to whole albums too | 11:52 |
| popey | i dont have a music collection anymore | 11:52 |
| popey | i use spotify | 11:52 |
| directhex | Severian, so you're doing the computer's job for it, then? mentally searching a mental index for arbitrary metadata? | 11:52 |
| directhex | wag the dog! | 11:53 |
| oimon | popey: what happened to the old collection? | 11:53 |
| popey | sat on a disk somewhere | 11:53 |
| davmor2 | popey: yes but you're sad and loney ;) I listen a lot to absolute 80's fantastic channel :) | 11:53 |
| popey | :( | 11:53 |
| popey | http://www.last.fm/user/popeydc | 11:54 |
| oimon | i would like banshee to offer additional categories such as Sermons, Conferences, Lectures etc - it currently only offers Audiobooks which is non-editable name | 11:54 |
| popey | sermons!? | 11:54 |
| Laney | Your musical compatibility with popeydc is Medium | 11:54 |
| Severian | directhex, maybe so, but I always know the album. Am I supposed to try to forget it, so I can let a computer do it. That seems harder to do than the system I have now. | 11:54 |
| Laney | Music you have in common includes … Sugababes | 11:54 |
| Laney | \o/ | 11:54 |
| popey | \o/ | 11:54 |
| oimon | yes, sermons are some of the highest use of podcasting | 11:54 |
| * popey pushes the button | 11:54 | |
| Severian | nothing happened, that I can see. Push it again. | 11:55 |
| * oimon notes that popey listened to blue monday on a monday | 11:55 | |
| Laney | popey was indicating that he's ready for me (boy) | 11:56 |
| Laney | he pushed the button to let me know | 11:56 |
| Laney | before i got the wrong idea and went (and he missed the freak that i control) | 11:56 |
| * popey did | 11:56 | |
| Severian | Ahh. Y'all have fun. | 11:56 |
| gord | is spotify in such a state yet that those of us on linux can try it without paying for it? | 11:56 |
| Laney | using wine, yes | 11:57 |
| popey | yes | 11:57 |
| popey | has been for ages | 11:57 |
| oimon | gord: ads have increased in annoyance and frequency though | 11:57 |
| gord | eh, don't want to rely on wine for my music listening | 11:57 |
| oimon | i often turn down the vol for the ads and forget to turn it up for 2 hours | 11:57 |
| Laney | wine or a fiver per month are your spotify options | 11:57 |
| popey | oimon: i have never seen/heard a sermon podcast | 11:57 |
| popey | woudln't want to either tbh :) | 11:57 |
| directhex | yay tangerine! | 11:58 |
| gord | i'll continue not using it then - i'm not sure what their logic is behind keeping the linux client behind a paywall | 11:58 |
| diplo | Laney, is the fiver a limited amount of listening still though ? | 11:58 |
| * directhex plays music from his desktop | 11:58 | |
| Laney | diplo: no, a fiver is for no ads | 11:58 |
| Laney | "Spotify Unlimited" | 11:58 |
| diplo | gord, last i read up on it was they we're having issues getting the ads to work correctly in linux | 11:59 |
| gord | i have a hard time believing that | 11:59 |
| diplo | Not looked in a while but i thought they had a higher one that was unlimited and the fiver was a certain time of listening | 11:59 |
| * diplo reinvestigates | 11:59 | |
| Laney | premium gives you other features | 11:59 |
| diplo | So do i, but that's the last thing i read about it | 11:59 |
| Laney | like offline and mobile | 11:59 |
| oimon | popey: itunes has a chart : http://www.itunescharts.net/us/charts/podcasts/2011/03/23 mars hill church is in the top 100 US podcasts | 11:59 |
| popey | \o/ mobile | 11:59 |
| popey | \o/ nice that mars hill church is well behind Ricky Gervais. That makes me happy | 12:00 |
| daubers | I got a spotify premium subscription, as I can now play it through the bluetooth thing in my car \o/ | 12:00 |
| oimon | ricky is in 79th place | 12:00 |
| AlanBell | ivanka: o/ can you join #ubuntu-accessibility for a bit | 12:00 |
| popey | 9th place | 12:00 |
| Laney | ♥ Pilkington ♥ | 12:01 |
| popey | ♥ Merchant ♥ | 12:01 |
| Laney | have you listened to their old xfm shows? | 12:01 |
| Laney | if not, do | 12:01 |
| gord | ♥ banana milkshakes ♥ | 12:01 |
| gord | why does record my desktop hate me today >:( | 12:02 |
| MartijnVdS | ♡ Unicode ♥ | 12:02 |
| popey | i have an archive of them Laney | 12:02 |
| Laney | good man | 12:02 |
| * oimon notices there is a podcast called All about Android | 12:02 | |
| MartijnVdS | popey: did you find any good podcasts? | 12:03 |
| davmor2 | gord: you confused it hates you everyday just more than normal today ;) what's up with it? | 12:03 |
| gord | its making 0 byte files | 12:03 |
| davmor2 | gord: Man it really hates you | 12:03 |
| gord | i can see it encoding though, so that's annoying | 12:04 |
| gord | oh wait no, i see why. hrm. yes that would be a problem | 12:05 |
| gord | *deletes files so that he has more than 1byte free on his home drive* | 12:05 |
| davmor2 | gord: I just tried it's working fine here :( | 12:05 |
| diplo | ah so I can't use on my mobile with unlimited | 12:06 |
| oimon | if i get some work done at the dentist and it gives me gip, do i get free follow up within 2 months of the work being done? | 12:06 |
| davmor2 | oimon: is it a good podcast though? | 12:06 |
| oimon | davmor2: hope to find out | 12:07 |
| shauno | The Bugle has to be my favourite podcast. even if it is from the times. funny stuff :) | 12:08 |
| DJones | oimon: I think you do | 12:08 |
| oimon | \o/ | 12:08 |
| oimon | although i always get the feeling my dentist is out for ways to earn $££ from me | 12:08 |
| oimon | longs for a day when his teeth aren't hurting at some point :S | 12:09 |
| Pendulum | oimon: I thought that's what all dentists wanted | 12:11 |
| AlanBell | oimon: tell the dentist about openmolar | 12:11 |
| oimon | AlanBell: most dentists use access on win95 | 12:13 |
| oimon | in my experience | 12:13 |
| * brobostigon has ham toasties and ginger beer, :) | 12:13 | |
| AlanBell | about time they changed then | 12:13 |
| DJones | oimon: But may depend how much you've paid, normally you pay about £16 for the 1st visit & another £30 for the follow up, but I think once you've paid the £46 most normal treatment within 2 months is covered | 12:15 |
| oimon | paid £16 + £80 for a filling | 12:16 |
| DJones | oimon: Gold filling? | 12:16 |
| oimon | no :( the gold one cost £500 on my other tooth | 12:16 |
| oimon | well that was a crown. | 12:17 |
| oimon | old age makes oimon sad | 12:17 |
| * DJones gets the pliers out, a £500 crown might be worth something at www.webuyyouroldgold.co.uk | 12:17 | |
| oimon | deffo | 12:17 |
| oimon | she dropped it into the back of my throat when applying it. i almost swallowed as a reflex | 12:18 |
| oimon | not sure what would have happened then | 12:18 |
| DJones | Nature would take its course :) | 12:18 |
| oimon | but would they want to apply the same crown or get a new one? | 12:18 |
| oimon | i wouldn't like the idea of having a poo tooth | 12:19 |
| oimon | in my mouth | 12:19 |
| * brobostigon tunes out, as he is having lunch, | 12:19 | |
| davmor2 | oimon: £1000 for a crown :D | 12:19 |
| * oimon checks the CoC | 12:19 | |
| oimon | davmor2: on the website? | 12:19 |
| oimon | beautiful pics http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1373277/London-s-secret-wildlife-wonderland-revealed-photographer-rose-dawn-day-capture-stunning-images.html | 12:20 |
| * oimon isn't a daily mail reader, but even if he was, wouldn't apologise for it | 12:21 | |
| MartijnVdS | daily fail ;) | 12:23 |
| shauno | sigh. | 12:23 |
| davmor2 | hey gord that'll be one for you. open up idle in natty now it crashes compiz :D | 12:35 |
| davmor2 | gord: any tcl/tk app will do idle was just the one I had installed | 12:35 |
| gord | davmor2, i hear that yeah | 12:36 |
| davmor2 | gord: I think the bulk of the bugs have been pointed at unity incorrectly however :( | 12:37 |
| gord | thats usually the way :) | 12:37 |
| gord | davmor2, fixed in compiz trunk apparently | 12:37 |
| dwatkins | wow, X just completely hung just after logging in on 10.10, that's wierd | 12:38 |
| davmor2 | gord: that's normally the way too :D | 12:38 |
| cbx33 | hey all | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | quickie for yas | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | I want to take an ubuntu install on a laptop and put it on a desktop | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | easiest way to do it? | 12:45 |
| DJones | cbx33: I would probably do a fresh install on the desktop & copy the home parition over | 12:46 |
| DJones | !cloning | 12:46 |
| lubotu3 | To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate | 12:46 |
| DJones | And use that to replicate the packages onto the 2nd machine | 12:47 |
| cbx33 | i need "this" install | 12:47 |
| shauno | do you keep backups? just restore your latest backup onto the new machine :) | 12:50 |
| diplo | Shameless pimp : http://askubuntu.com/questions/33460/hp-probook-4720s-fans-running-constantly-at-full | 12:50 |
| cbx33 | there is some very specific setup on this machine - I just want to copy the whole machine - I'll probably just format the drive - rsync the data over and reinstall grub | 12:55 |
| oimon | cbx33: have you ever used dd before? | 12:55 |
| oimon | dd will clone a drive to another one of the same size or larger. | 12:55 |
| cbx33 | yeh - dd is an option but the drive I am copying onto is smaller | 12:56 |
| cbx33 | which is an ass | 12:56 |
| cbx33 | I could just resize the original | 12:56 |
| shauno | I'd just use tar. tar --xattrs --selinux --one-file-system -cf - /dir | (cd /new/path; tar -xf -) then boot the new box from a livecd to set grup up | 12:56 |
| cbx33 | but don't really want to futz with it | 12:56 |
| cbx33 | ahh yeh could use grub for recovering | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | i mean live cd | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | didn't think of that | 12:57 |
| shauno | assuming you've got a sensible way to mount the target drive on the current machine. if not, you can wedge netcat in the middle of that pipeline to do it across a network | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | tar --xattrs --selinux --one-file-system -cf - /dir | (cd /new/path; tar -xf -) | 12:58 |
| cbx33 | is that complete? | 12:58 |
| shauno | should be (you'll want / for /dir tho) | 12:58 |
| cbx33 | yah | 12:58 |
| cbx33 | I'll need an exclude though right | 12:59 |
| cbx33 | to exclude the mouted dest | 12:59 |
| shauno | --one-file-system stops it wandering off the current device (stops it picking up devfs, proc, etc too) | 12:59 |
| cbx33 | ahhh | 12:59 |
| cbx33 | cool | 12:59 |
| cbx33 | ty | 12:59 |
| cbx33 | yeh of course | 13:00 |
| cbx33 | forgot that one | 13:00 |
| shauno | or that's my understanding of --one-file-system atleast. if you spot it trying to tar up /dev or /proc, may need to rethink ;) | 13:00 |
| oimon | diplo: does windows show the fan speeds? | 13:01 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 13:01 |
| diplo | Nope, but it does control them | 13:01 |
| diplo | occasionally comes on with flash vids etc | 13:01 |
| shauno | cbx33: if you can mount the laptop drive on the new machine, I'd be tempted to do the whole operation from a livecd. so you're copying /mnt/oldsystem to /mnt/newsystem, instead of picking up 'running state' cruft | 13:02 |
| oimon | diplo: have you run sensors-detect and also tried fancontrol? | 13:02 |
| cbx33 | that was my intention | 13:02 |
| cbx33 | shauno: good plan | 13:02 |
| diplo | Yep and yep, all it does is detect temps | 13:03 |
| oimon | diplo: one more, do you have stuff in /sys/class/hwmon/ | 13:07 |
| diplo | not sure, give me a sec in win7 atm :) | 13:09 |
| diplo | will reboot once svn import has finished | 13:09 |
| diplo | :) | 13:09 |
| popey | with ls, is there a way to supress "ls: No match. | 13:09 |
| oimon | diplo: or when you have time, look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fan_Speed_Control - you mighht be able to turn off/on fans based upon self-defined criteria | 13:09 |
| popey | when there are no files found? | 13:09 |
| daubers | \o/ City Link fails again | 13:10 |
| diplo | rebooting | 13:12 |
| oimon | popey: you could redirect stderr to a file or /dev/null | 13:12 |
| oimon | ls missingfile 2> /dev/null | 13:13 |
| popey | > ls -1 *.car 2> /dev/null | 13:14 |
| popey | ls: No match. | 13:14 |
| popey | doesn't work | 13:14 |
| diplo | oimon, hwmon has lot's of temp<number> files in there with name, uevent and a power/subsystem folder | 13:14 |
| oimon | popey: which OS? | 13:14 |
| popey | rhel5 | 13:14 |
| popey | oh, wrong shell, sory | 13:15 |
| oimon | csh is evil | 13:15 |
| hoover | agreed | 13:15 |
| * hoover hacked away on tcsh for a long time | 13:16 | |
| hoover | slightly less evil | 13:16 |
| hoover | but once bash got tab completion... ;-) | 13:16 |
| oimon | i think even csh got file completion on solaris eventually. would have saved me years of pain | 13:16 |
| hoover | yep, I think so too | 13:17 |
| oimon | by default, solaris used to ship with a bourne shell for root with minimal features, to discourage admins from staying logged in as root too long | 13:17 |
| directhex | because if root could tab complete, THE WORLD WOULD END | 13:18 |
| oimon | or allowed history | 13:18 |
| directhex | make the experience miserable. punish that sysadmin! | 13:18 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: or anyone</freebsd> | 13:18 |
| oimon | or even had $PATH | 13:18 |
| directhex | oimon, solaris has always been retarded by default. | 13:19 |
| xwx | iphone？ | 13:19 |
| diplo | oimon, it seems that arch page is good if it detects your fan but i get nowt/nada | 13:19 |
| xwx | what‘s that？ | 13:19 |
| popey | o_O | 13:20 |
| oimon | diplo: ok, sorry to get the hopes up. i thought maybe you could at least siwtch it on and off manually using device control :( | 13:20 |
| oimon | solaris was good to learn a disciplined way before experiencing linux. although i used vim for years on linux without realising the extra stuff it could do, because i was used to years of solaris vi | 13:20 |
| hazrpg1 | \o | 13:22 |
| oimon | achieved over 1000 days uptime on my solaris boxes on various occasions | 13:22 |
| === hazrpg1 is now known as Hazmaster | ||
| Hazmaster | how's everyone doing :) | 13:23 |
| brobostigon | good afternoon Hazmaster :) | 13:24 |
| diplo | heh, I've close to given up anyway oimon | 13:25 |
| oimon | diplo: do you boot with any special kernel options? acpi ones | 13:26 |
| diplo | Nope, started looking into it but couldn't find anything useful at the time | 13:27 |
| andylockran | howdy | 13:28 |
| andylockran | :s | 13:28 |
| popey | howdy howdy howdy | 13:30 |
| oimon | diplo: found this comment, looks scary though http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8962178&postcount=9 | 13:31 |
| diplo | just ffound acpi_hp in manpages on ubuntu site | 13:31 |
| diplo | so may try both | 13:31 |
| diplo | ta | 13:32 |
| === denny- is now known as denny | ||
| oimon | popey: how do i learn about volunteering for packaging for ubuntu? got lots of exp on rhel packaging for local repos | 13:35 |
| X3N | oimon: have you looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide | 13:40 |
| oimon | X3N: cheers will take a look | 13:41 |
| X3N | and possibly https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | 13:43 |
| X3N | ^ which is more about the actual package contribution process rather than creating packages | 13:44 |
| oimon | ta | 13:47 |
| smittix | Afternoon All | 13:47 |
| smittix | I really need to stop trying to access the old app menu in natty | 13:48 |
| smittix | It's doing my nut in now | 13:48 |
| X3N | It's doing your nat in ;) | 13:50 |
| smittix | heh | 13:57 |
| Hazmaster | brobostigon: good afternoon :) | 13:58 |
| brobostigon | Hazmaster: good afternoon, :) | 14:00 |
| Hazmaster | man this keyboard is soooo tiny! | 14:03 |
| Hazmaster | someone remind me why netbooks are so popular again :/ | 14:03 |
| Hazmaster | i barely use mine | 14:03 |
| Hazmaster | if i was ever going to use this properly i would probably have to carry a wireless/wired keyboard && mouse! | 14:04 |
| Pendulum | I use mine when I'm going somewhere and don't want to bring my laptop | 14:04 |
| gord | some of us don't want to carry a laptop around with us and don't want to use a phone | 14:04 |
| Pendulum | but I have small hands and don't have issues with the smaller keyboard | 14:04 |
| gord | you get used to netbook keyboards anyway, they are fine | 14:05 |
| Hazmaster | I guess but my fingers keep tring to press two keys at once >_< | 14:05 |
| Hazmaster | either i've got big hands, or the keys are way too tiny and too close for my likeing | 14:05 |
| directhex | get a stylus, use to press keys! | 14:05 |
| Hazmaster | directhex: sort of defeats the poitn :P | 14:06 |
| gord | typing is based on muscle memory, your bad at typing on a netbook really just because your pressing the inbetween parts, you expect the keys to be further away, all you need is practice and you'll be fine | 14:06 |
| Pendulum | My one issue with my netbook is that the trackpad is horrid | 14:07 |
| oimon | my issues with my netbook is that it is slow, has no touchscreen, and poor battery life, and low res screen ...yes i bought the eee 701 | 14:12 |
| penguin42 | my one issue with my netbook is that the linux drivers for the wireless on more recent Ubuntus are very touchy | 14:17 |
| Hazmaster | see on mine, i have the right button button as a button on the whole far right column, and left as a left column... its really weird... | 14:20 |
| Hazmaster | what happened the the standard two buttons at the top thing :S | 14:20 |
| Hazmaster | penguin42: heh, i had trouble with wireless drivers the other night when i was installing ubuntu on someone's laptop! | 14:21 |
| MartijnVdS | RTL is.. weird | 14:23 |
| MartijnVdS | at least for most of us LTR-people | 14:23 |
| Hazmaster | heh | 14:25 |
| Hazmaster | thats not quite what i mean | 14:25 |
| Hazmaster | i mean it has 3 columns on my mouse pad | 14:26 |
| Hazmaster | a wide centre-piece for moving the mouse around, and two boxes on either side thats skinny as left/right mouse buttons | 14:26 |
| Hazmaster | so you end up using your middle finger for moving the mouse, and thumb for left-clicks, and when you want to right-click, you have to sort of rearrange your hand around | 14:27 |
| shauno | you don't have a pinkie finger? | 14:28 |
| Hazmaster | its odd | 14:28 |
| MartijnVdS | four-fingered Hazmaster | 14:28 |
| Hazmaster | shauno: i do... but its numb most of the time | 14:28 |
| MartijnVdS | counts in octal :) | 14:28 |
| Hazmaster | can barely do much with it | 14:28 |
| Hazmaster | you should see me on guitar hero... i use 3 fingers for all 5 keys | 14:29 |
| MartijnVdS | Hazmaster: how did you end up like that? :) | 14:29 |
| Hazmaster | it gets insane >_< but its what i'm use to because i can't press hard enough with my pinky | 14:30 |
| Hazmaster | MartijnVdS: no idea, always been like that as far as i know :P | 14:30 |
| MartijnVdS | Hazmaster: gimpy pinky | 14:30 |
| Hazmaster | might just be simply lack of practice | 14:30 |
| smittix | Bah I am trying to add a route out on a line that has no proxy but for some reason it wont work | 14:30 |
| Hazmaster | and not enough pinky-cise | 14:30 |
| MartijnVdS | Hazmaster: http://chromercise.com/ | 14:31 |
| shauno | or http://www.thextensor.com/ :) | 14:32 |
| Hazmaster | MartijnVdS: xD | 14:32 |
| Hazmaster | shauno: heh | 14:36 |
| shauno | doesn't that thing look terrifying | 14:36 |
| shauno | oh that's fun. handbrake is apparently using about 680% of my cpu. wheeeee | 14:37 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno: octocore? | 14:40 |
| shauno | quad, but with hyperthreading. | 14:40 |
| shauno | still trying to get the hang of how activity monitor tracks that. on my old c2d, pegging one core was 100%, so 200% was the ceiling | 14:41 |
| shauno | apparently on this one, pegging one core is 200%, if you're using both threads properly. so 800% is the ceiling | 14:41 |
| directhex | it's just 100% per thread. | 14:41 |
| directhex | but hyperthreading will never hit full utilization | 14:41 |
| shauno | it's going roughly 5 times as fast as my old machine, so I'm pretty happy either way :) | 14:43 |
| oimon | shauno: converting DVDs? | 14:43 |
| shauno | (based on the fps of the actual encode. it's the results that matter) | 14:43 |
| shauno | oimon: just rescaling to fit my TV (the box I have under the TV is rather weak) | 14:43 |
| * oimon has some spare HPC clusters ..should sell out the remaining cluster time | 14:44 | |
| shauno | I think with my paltry upload, it's faster to do it myself | 14:45 |
| shauno | I've been really tempted to move to 100mbit, just to get double the upstream :/ | 14:46 |
| Hazmaster | right time to go meet peoples | 14:51 |
| Hazmaster | its someone's b-day, and i need to help her get her newly ubuntu box onto the internets (she's currently on windows because she couldn't work it out even though i showed her how :P) | 14:51 |
| Hazmaster | catch ya later guys :) | 14:52 |
| Hazmaster | o/ | 14:52 |
| brobostigon | bye Hazmaster o/ | 14:52 |
| Hazmaster | brobostigon: :) o/ | 14:52 |
| ali1234 | looks like gvfsd has a nasty memory leak | 15:23 |
| cbx33 | grr that task i wanted to do earlier is now more complicated by the presense of LVM | 15:28 |
| cbx33 | shauno: any ideas now :p | 15:28 |
| cbx33 | i can create a new pv | 15:32 |
| cbx33 | but i can't call the vg the same | 15:32 |
| oimon | reluctantly cancelling my subs to linux magazine :( | 15:32 |
| cbx33 | but i could rename it afterwards | 15:32 |
| oimon | due to no time to read it , and cost-cutting measures enforced by much higher living costs in the last year or so :( | 15:33 |
| dogmatic69 | oimon: lxf? | 15:36 |
| oimon | dogmatic69: no, the far superior (IMO) linux magazine: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Resources/Current-Issue | 15:37 |
| ali1234 | hmm looks like it is to do with gnome-system-properties that i left running all night | 15:37 |
| dogmatic69 | hmmm | 15:37 |
| dogmatic69 | oimon: cheaper too | 15:39 |
| oimon | £40 per year..but still too much for me right now | 15:39 |
| dogmatic69 | xlf is 53 | 15:39 |
| dogmatic69 | oimon: get a trial subscription, £3 for the next 3 months, use that time to save ;) | 15:40 |
| shauno | cbx33: haven't used lvm, sorry | 15:40 |
| * penguin42 starts his annual fight with gnucash | 15:41 | |
| shauno | ooh, interesting solution to the england vs ireland cricket dilema. ireland aren't being allowed in the 2015 world cup | 15:43 |
| oimon | oooer any doctors in the house? | 16:05 |
| * brobostigon goes and plays with android app inventor. | 16:07 | |
| ali1234 | ok, anyone want to try to confirm bug 751523? | 16:12 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 751523 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "gnome-system-monitor spams dbus with requests for volume information" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751523 | 16:12 |
| oimon | ali1234: i can try in natty or lucid | 16:14 |
| oimon | not meerkat | 16:14 |
| ali1234 | you might have to leaveit running for 12 hours or so... | 16:15 |
| oimon | can do that on natty then :) | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't seem to affect natty from my test | 16:17 |
| ali1234 | although it's only been running for 10 minutes | 16:17 |
| gord | bug fixed then :) | 16:21 |
| oimon | \0/ | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | only half of it | 16:22 |
| ali1234 | there's two bugs really | 16:22 |
| oimon | /0\ | 16:22 |
| ali1234 | system-monitor bug merely exposes another bug in gvfsd | 16:22 |
| ali1234 | this is very similar to the last "memory leak" i tracked down | 16:26 |
| ali1234 | where a badly written app is spamming another app with requests, causing it to use too much memory | 16:26 |
| ali1234 | everyone thinks it is a leak, but theres no evidence of such because the bug is actually in another app and the "leaky" app is just doing what it is told | 16:26 |
| oimon | mem leaks used to be few and far between in the olden days :( | 16:26 |
| ali1234 | so the bug never gets found or fixed because triagers just say "post valgrind log" which is not useful at all in these situations | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | looks like this bug has been floating about for a couple of years at least | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | i never noticed it before because i've never left gsm running over night on the filesystems page before | 16:28 |
| oimon | ali1234 do you have any extra filesystems mounted too? | 16:28 |
| ali1234 | sure, loads on maverick | 16:29 |
| oimon | e.g. mem cards | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | all kinds of stuff | 16:29 |
| oimon | usb sticks | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | but it seems to be hitting the "gphoto2" gvfs among other things | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | everyone seems to have that | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | under natty i have hardly anything cos its a vm | 16:29 |
| oimon | i wonder if it would show up on a system without non-local disks attached? | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | i'm just starting some to see | 16:30 |
| oimon | maybe attacha screenshot of the filesytem tab to show mounted filesystems | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | it probably happens faster/slower depending how many filesystems you have mounted | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | but i bet it still happens | 16:31 |
| oimon | gvfsd is using little mem on my natty box atm | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | it might not even start leaking until the xsession-errors starts filling up | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | "leaking" | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | !lts | 16:33 |
| lubotu3 | LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04) | 16:33 |
| oimon | ali1234: what does gvfs-mount -l show on your bo | 16:36 |
| oimon | x | 16:36 |
| ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/tGEPeDZL | 16:37 |
| oimon | mine was empty. have stuck in a USB stick | 16:38 |
| ali1234 | on natty mine only has the natty install iso from virtualbox | 16:38 |
| ali1234 | would be interesting to mount a ext4 filesystem or something through it like on mav | 16:39 |
| ali1234 | knotify4 is also using 1GB of swap | 16:43 |
| ali1234 | i bet that's related | 16:44 |
| oimon | ali1234: i often don't reboot for 2 months at a time and running many apps at once, plugging my phone etc, but don't see this problem | 16:44 |
| oimon | although i import photos mainly on my home laptop | 16:44 |
| ali1234 | i don't use photo import | 16:44 |
| ali1234 | i don't use any of this stuff | 16:45 |
| ali1234 | i never had this problem until i left gnome-system-monitor running over night | 16:45 |
| oimon | ping me tomorrow and i'll check my resource usage after leaving it on overnight | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | ok, i restarted gsm | 16:49 |
| ali1234 | seems it doesn't trigger the leak until it hits the dbus limit | 16:50 |
| ali1234 | sorry, my mistake, it actually does | 16:51 |
| ali1234 | you do have to be on "file systems" tab to see it though | 16:52 |
| oimon | i am ,but don't see anything amiss | 16:52 |
| ali1234 | then gvfsd memory use increases by about 1mb/second | 16:52 |
| ali1234 | gonna install lucid in a minute and see if that is affected | 16:53 |
| ali1234 | then maybe maverick | 16:53 |
| oimon | i'm on lucid now..hang on | 16:53 |
| oimon | cannot reproduce in natty | 16:53 |
| ali1234 | the effect is very obvious in fact | 16:54 |
| ali1234 | if you watch eg top | 16:54 |
| ali1234 | gvfsd memory use increases by 1mb nearly every time top refreshes | 16:54 |
| oimon | i have watch -n 1 "ps -efl | grep gvfsd" while file systems tab open (lucid and natty) | 16:55 |
| oimon | lucid going upVERY slowly | 16:56 |
| oimon | 2197kb..2232KB | 16:56 |
| ali1234 | which column am i looking at? | 16:57 |
| oimon | SZ | 16:57 |
| ali1234 | columns aren't labelled here | 16:57 |
| ali1234 | i just see this: 0 S al 31598 1 0 80 0 - 27905 poll_s 16:28 ? 00:00:02 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd | 16:57 |
| oimon | 27905 | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | top says: 31598 al 20 0 113m 43m 2044 S 0 1.1 0:02.24 gvfsd | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | that's gone up by 2mb since i pasted it | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | try: top -p `pidof gvfsd` | 17:00 |
| cbx33 | guys just managed to copy the whole information to the disk | 17:00 |
| cbx33 | but doing grub-install it's not seeming to read the config | 17:01 |
| cbx33 | just gives me a grub prompt | 17:01 |
| cbx33 | any ideas? | 17:01 |
| oimon | ali1234: res 4396 shr 1708 | 17:01 |
| ali1234 | do a pxe install | 17:01 |
| ali1234 | oimon: res and virt are the interesting ones | 17:02 |
| ali1234 | half what gets allocated never gets used again so it goes directly into virt | 17:02 |
| ali1234 | i'm now at 158m 73m | 17:03 |
| ali1234 | ps -efl still says 41005 | 17:03 |
| gord | i really don't like that some websites know who i am on facebook, anyone know how to get rid of that? | 17:19 |
| ali1234 | log out of facebook | 17:19 |
| soneill | lol | 17:19 |
| ali1234 | i thinkthere's a firefox extension to do it as well | 17:19 |
| gord | no no staying logged out seems to work, seems this machien is the only one of my machine that had "keep me logged in" checked | 17:20 |
| ali1234 | http://superuser.com/questions/144973/blocking-facebooks-like-button-in-firefox | 17:20 |
| ali1234 | i dunno if that wil actually stop websites from knowing you or just hide the box | 17:20 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: http://www.ghostery.com/ | 17:21 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: that works for me | 17:21 |
| gord | oh - i'm wearing a tshirt from a conference today, guess its time to do the laundry | 17:41 |
| MartijnVdS | gord: hah, you work like that too? :) | 17:42 |
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| ali1234 | i just noticed that natty has the screen-edge-maximise behaviour copied from windows 7 | 17:50 |
| ali1234 | so i guess it's not all bad | 17:50 |
| ali1234 | that one i actually like | 17:51 |
| ali1234 | not sure how it will work with two monitors though | 17:51 |
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| seeker | ali1234: On win 7 it only works on outside edges | 18:03 |
| Myrtti | meh | 18:48 |
| davmor2 | alright who stole cz<tab> | 18:59 |
| jacobw | evening | 19:04 |
| BigRedS | exit | 19:14 |
| BigRedS | oop. wrong pane... | 19:14 |
| jacobw | :) | 19:17 |
| jonsaint | hi all. need help or advice! got a so called netbook thingy which is my cousins. its a dell inspiron mini running crappy win 7 and its got blue screen of death. how can i put ubuntu on t and wipe off win 7? | 19:19 |
| BigRedS | jonsaint: generally, download unetbootin, use it to make a USB key installer, then boot off it | 19:20 |
| BigRedS | you'll need another computer with which to do the unetbootin bit | 19:20 |
| jonsaint | will my pc do as thats ubuntu? | 19:21 |
| BigRedS | yeah | 19:21 |
| BigRedS | unetbootin's in the repositories | 19:21 |
| BigRedS | I think there's a ubuntu tool for making the instt CDs | 19:21 |
| jonsaint | so this unetbootin, where can i get it and is that all i will need or what as ive never done this before | 19:21 |
| moreati | !unetbootin | 19:22 |
| lubotu3 | For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent | 19:22 |
| jonsaint | so i have to tell my memory stick to boot?? (however that happens!) | 19:23 |
| BigRedS | ywah, that'll be in the bios on the netbook | 19:24 |
| BigRedS | Usually, I think, F12 for a boot menu, then choose USB HDD | 19:24 |
| jonsaint | so all i need to do is put ubuntu on the stick?? do a copy/paste?? | 19:24 |
| BigRedS | no, you need to make it into an installer | 19:24 |
| BigRedS | with unetbootin, for example | 19:24 |
| jonsaint | where do i get that programme from? | 19:25 |
| jacobw | !liveusb | 19:25 |
| lubotu3 | For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent | 19:25 |
| BigRedS | ah, ignore my bit, jacobw's suggestion is a better one | 19:25 |
| jonsaint | i found it on software centre | 19:25 |
| jonsaint | so once i installed that, will that convert it into a boot file then? | 19:27 |
| BigRedS | it'll make a usb stick into an installer, yeah | 19:27 |
| BigRedS | that you can boot from, as you might an installer CD | 19:27 |
| jonsaint | il try that. many thanks folks il give it a whirl | 19:28 |
| smittix | Doesn't fglrx work in natty yet? | 19:31 |
| BigRedS | does fglrx ever work? | 19:31 |
| smittix | heh | 19:31 |
| smittix | Installed it and ended up with a garbled unusable system until i removed the package | 19:32 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I think thats what it's for | 19:32 |
| BigRedS | :) | 19:32 |
| smittix | I only use it for the power management | 19:33 |
| smittix | Otherwise my battery lasts around 2 nano seconds | 19:33 |
| gord | i have read that yes fglrx works now | 19:35 |
| jacobw | proprietary sucks :( | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | more importantly, does nvidia work in natty yet? | 19:39 |
| brobostigon | intel still gives gpu lockups/hangs. | 19:40 |
| moreati | ali1234: I've been using it a few days, seems okay | 19:40 |
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| ali1234 | i tried reproducing the gvfs bug in maverick and lucid vms and neither worked | 19:42 |
| jacobw | i've no problem with the intel card on my netbook | 19:42 |
| smittix | I can't seem to get FGLRX working at all :/ | 19:42 |
| brobostigon | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/715096 | 19:43 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 715096 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i945gm] GPU lockup (ESR: 0x00000001 IPEHR: 0x02000011)" [High,Incomplete] | 19:43 |
| brobostigon | jacobw: that bug, is my issue. | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | why is it incomplete? | 19:43 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: because i have yet to find, a kernel that actually works properly, as suggested by bryce, to test out, if it exists or is gone, or otherwise. | 19:44 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: or anyone for that matter, maybe. | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | he asked you to test with a specific kernel | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | you did it and it didn't work | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | so mark it back to new or confirmed | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | btw i have i945 i will test this | 19:46 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: ah, yes, good idea. that would help alot, getting the most information possible. | 19:46 |
| ali1234 | how long does it normally take to get a gpu lockup? | 19:49 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: mins/hours/days , it is random as far as i can see. | 19:50 |
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| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] ShipIt Discontinued, Long Live LoCo Teams - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/05/shipit-discontinued-long-live-loco-teams/ | 20:27 |
| bigcalm | What's the release date for 11.04? | 20:44 |
| popey | 24/4 iirc | 20:44 |
| bigcalm | Ta | 20:45 |
| bigcalm | Now give me your postal address :P | 20:45 |
| popey | 28/4 actually | 20:45 |
| bigcalm | 23 days left to iron out all them bugs. Fun | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | ah, i reproduced gvfsd bug on natty :) | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | and lucid | 20:53 |
| Myrtti | mmmm boiled candy with salmiakki powder heart, nomnomnom | 20:53 |
| Myrtti | also: I'm mad, I'm writing a summer job application for my nephew | 20:54 |
| matti | ;] | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | and maverick, all with clean installs | 20:55 |
| shauno | should I be trying beta-1 or nightlies? | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | i'm using nightlies | 20:57 |
| Pendulum | Myrtti: why are you writing the summer job application? | 20:57 |
| Myrtti | Pendulum: because my no good nephew doesn't know how to write one and he needs a summer job :-) | 20:59 |
| Myrtti | well, no good is an overstatement | 20:59 |
| Pendulum | lazy? | 20:59 |
| Myrtti | he's good in football and playing with PS3 | 20:59 |
| Myrtti | I guess it goes with being 15 | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | ok, i updated instructions to reproduce on bug 751523 | 21:05 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 751523 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "gnome-system-monitor spams dbus with requests for volume information" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751523 | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | now it can be reproduced on any of the 6 systems i tried it on | 21:05 |
| brobostigon | am i right in saying, AlanBell will now be managing distribution of the loco's allocated cd's? | 21:06 |
| * AlanBell distributed 18 today | 21:07 | |
| AlanBell | brobostigon: if you want CDs then put your request on the plan http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/2011plan | 21:08 |
| AlanBell | I don't know when we will get the Natty CDs | 21:08 |
| brobostigon | AlanBell: natty, will be my interest. | 21:08 |
| ali1234 | hmm gvfsd uses 4x as much memory on 64 bit... | 21:09 |
| AlanBell | looks like I can fill in the form now though | 21:09 |
| AlanBell | * Ubuntu: PC: 250 | 21:09 |
| AlanBell | * Kubuntu: PC: 50 | 21:09 |
| AlanBell | * Server PC: PC: 50 | 21:09 |
| brobostigon | ubuntu golf day, :) | 21:09 |
| brobostigon | AlanBell: i just read the post on jono's blog about it. | 21:10 |
| * AlanBell has submitted the Natty CD request | 21:11 | |
| AlanBell | I think we should do a Kubuntu installfest, whilst all wearing blue wigs | 21:12 |
| brobostigon | lol | 21:13 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: will it involve the Chickens too? | 21:13 |
| * brobostigon could get blue streaks. | 21:13 | |
| AlanBell | Pendulum: I will of course reserve one CD for the chicken's upgrade | 21:13 |
| brobostigon | hehe | 21:14 |
| * brobostigon is getting fedup with a certain discussion on the gnome-shell mailing list. | 21:15 | |
| AlanBell | if anyone is pondering being an ubuntu member you might want to go and lurk in #ubuntu-meeting where there is a membership board meeting underway now | 21:15 |
| * brobostigon graceully declines, and thanks AlanBell. | 21:16 | |
| bigcalm | AlanBell: what does it mean to be a memeber? | 21:24 |
| bigcalm | -e | 21:24 |
| AlanBell | !member | 21:24 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu Membership means recognition of a significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu and the Ubuntu community. For more info see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership | 21:24 |
| shauno | well that didn't go so well. installer couldn't find the cdrom | 21:25 |
| bigcalm | I have the feeling that I do bugger all | 21:25 |
| brobostigon | i do what i can, in the way i can. and people know my capabilties and what i have done, so at the moment, i see no need. | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | does anyone know how dbus works internally? | 21:31 |
| ali1234 | eg when you set a watch on something where is it stored and under what conditions does it get removed? | 21:32 |
| shauno | I can't figure out where I can download natty that isn't wsu.edu :/ | 21:32 |
| ali1234 | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 21:32 |
| brobostigon | shauno: cdimage.ubuntu.com | 21:32 |
| shauno | tried the daily, no go | 21:32 |
| ali1234 | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/beta-1/ | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | oh, that's a dvd | 21:33 |
| shauno | ah. wasn't expecting it to be in the releases tree | 21:33 |
| shauno | the link off ubuntu.com was giving me 22 days :/ | 21:34 |
| OO | Hey could anyone help me with some sound problems? | 21:43 |
| brobostigon | OO: good evening, could you elaborate abit more please. | 21:44 |
| OO | Well my computer has internal speakers and i can't get them to make any sounds | 21:44 |
| OO | This is the result of lspci | 21:45 |
| brobostigon | !pastebin | 21:45 |
| lubotu3 | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 21:45 |
| brobostigon | OO: please use a pastebin. | 21:46 |
| OO | Yeah i was just prepping it for paste.ubuntu.com ;P | 21:46 |
| brobostigon | :) | 21:46 |
| OO | http://paste.ubuntu.com/589845/ | 21:46 |
| brobostigon | OO: pastebinit is useful, pipe lspci etc into pastebinit, and it automaticlly pastebin's its input. | 21:47 |
| OO | That's the name of the program? | 21:48 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 21:49 |
| brobostigon | it just saves alittle time. | 21:49 |
| brobostigon | OO: what does alsamixer sayabout it? | 21:50 |
| popey | OO: what is in /proc/asound/cards ? | 21:50 |
| OO | This is from ls /proc/acards/ : http://paste.ubuntu.com/589902/ | 21:52 |
| OO | /proc/asound/cards is a text document containing the following: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589903/ | 21:53 |
| jonsaint | hi all. managed to install ubuntu on a dell inspiron mini but unable to get wifi to work. got an exclamation mark on there. entered my details from my wifi but no joy. anyone give advice? | 21:56 |
| HazRPG | \o herro | 21:56 |
| brobostigon | noswaith dda HazRPG :) | 21:58 |
| HazRPG | brobostigon: \o :) | 22:01 |
| brobostigon | o/ | 22:01 |
| bigcalm | Evening aquarius, welcome to the mad house :) | 22:14 |
| Darael | Mad house? This isn't the mad house! We can leave any time we want. Besides, only /some/ of us are mad. | 22:15 |
| aquarius | the place where you can check out any time you like but you can never leave isn't in the UK, it's in California :) | 22:16 |
| bigcalm | They have a nice hotel I hear | 22:16 |
| bigcalm | I'm surprised you didn't join sooner. Work gone a little quiet? ;) | 22:17 |
| * bigcalm moshes while coding to NIN \m/ | 22:19 | |
| Pendulum | aquarius: congrats :) | 22:20 |
| bigcalm | MySQL question: records have start and end date fields. I need a query that will select records that start, end or completely overlap a given date window. The start and end dates within the date window is easy and working. Stuck on the complete overlap, any ideas? | 22:21 |
| aquarius | Pendulum, thanks | 22:22 |
| Pendulum | aquarius: still not sure why it took you longer than it took me, though :P | 22:23 |
| aquarius | bigcalm, more that I keep meaning to and forgetting, and I was reminded and thought: I should just tick "auto-join", shouldn't I? | 22:23 |
| aquarius | Pendulum, ah, well, I've gotta prove myself | 22:23 |
| bigcalm | aquarius: aha :) | 22:23 |
| Pendulum | hah | 22:23 |
| bigcalm | aquarius: I saw jono in #lugradio the other day. He muttered something about getting the lads together in the summer. Any news? :D | 22:24 |
| * bigcalm realises that asking this is akin to asking when oggcamp will be ;) | 22:25 | |
| === s1aden is now known as sladen | ||
| popey | hah | 22:31 |
| * bigcalm tickles popey | 22:31 | |
| AlanBell | o/ aquarius | 22:33 |
| aquarius | hey AlanBell. Thanks for your testimonial! | 22:33 |
| aquarius | bigcalm, that sort of question is 3% dependent on what I think and 97% dependent on when el Baconio is actually in perfidious Albion :) | 22:34 |
| bigcalm | :) | 22:34 |
| bigcalm | Damn it, I want bacon now | 22:34 |
| bigcalm | No, not Jono :P | 22:35 |
| bigcalm | I have to say, NIN really does work nicely for coding | 22:37 |
| bigcalm | Suits my mood due to sql ticking me off | 22:37 |
| MasterComputer | Anyone alive? I've got a worrying issue here. Anyone know phillw? | 22:48 |
| Pendulum | MasterComputer: no one AFAIK knows him in person and he doesn't hang out here | 22:49 |
| Pendulum | but I also don't know anyone who has seen him around for at least a week on IRC, I think either | 22:49 |
| Pendulum | (I think my last e-mail from him was about a week ago) | 22:49 |
| MasterComputer | Pendulum: This is highly worrying, he's gone AWOL, I have no idea what's happened to him. I'm trying to find someone local to him to check up on him. | 22:50 |
| Pendulum | MasterComputer: yeah, he didn't hang out in #ubuntu-uk at all. I know generally where in the UK he is, but not specifics | 22:52 |
| MasterComputer | What was his usual hangout, Pendulum? | 22:52 |
| Pendulum | MasterComputer: I think #ubuntu-beginners for a while. and probably whatever the lubuntu channel is | 22:53 |
| MasterComputer | Thank you, Pendulum; I'll check there. | 22:53 |
| === OO is now known as Guest16945 | ||
| shauno | :/ Beta1 can't find my cdrom either | 22:56 |
| Guest | Hey brobostigon and popey, i resolved my sound problems by installing gnome's alsa mixer and unticker Master Mixer (which was ticked to mute). This was something I couldn't access from LXDE's volume control. Sound works now :) | 22:58 |
| Guest | Thanks for the help you two gave me :) | 22:58 |
| brobostigon | :) | 22:59 |
| brobostigon | Guest: you're welcome. | 22:59 |
| Guest | I was OO, btw | 23:00 |
| Guest | That nicks currently unavailable for some unknown reason lol | 23:00 |
| brobostigon | 22:56:47 -!- Guest [~OO@unaffiliated/oo] has joined #ubuntu-uk | 23:00 |
| brobostigon | i could tell, :) | 23:00 |
| bigcalm | guest: you could /msg nickserv ghost oo | 23:01 |
| bigcalm | Oh, it isn't active | 23:01 |
| brobostigon | i just checked, the nick OO is still logged in. | 23:01 |
| * bigcalm shrugs, smiles and returns to MySQL | 23:01 | |
| brobostigon | it is showing as connedted to freenode but no channels. | 23:02 |
| brobostigon | anyway, i need sleep, | 23:02 |
| brobostigon | nos da everyone, sleep well. | 23:02 |
| shauno | Is there any way to tell d-i what device the disk is on? | 23:02 |
| Guest | Night night | 23:02 |
| brobostigon | night Guest. | 23:03 |
| brobostigon | shauno: d-i ? | 23:03 |
| shauno | the installer | 23:03 |
| brobostigon | ubiquity? | 23:04 |
| brobostigon | !info ubiquity | 23:04 |
| lubotu3 | ubiquity (source: ubiquity): Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.8 (maverick), package size 4041 kB, installed size 14260 kB | 23:04 |
| AlanBell | d-i is debian installer on the alternate CD | 23:04 |
| brobostigon | i was just going to ask. | 23:04 |
| shauno | Text based, can't launch the livecd without being able to find disk either | 23:04 |
| shauno | Sorry, thumbing away at phone do not so snappy responses | 23:05 |
| brobostigon | shauno: i would go to serperate terminal and run fdisk -l and or df -h -T | 23:05 |
| AlanBell | do you have a particularly strange configuration shauno? | 23:05 |
| shauno | I can find it, it's /dev/sg0 | 23:05 |
| Guest | Ah no bos i said night night because i thought you were going to bed :P | 23:05 |
| AlanBell | or a really really old/new/odd CD drive? | 23:06 |
| brobostigon | Guest: i was, untill shauno'squestion came up. | 23:06 |
| shauno | Week-old MacBook pro. Only oddity I can tell with drive is that dvdrw is sata too | 23:06 |
| brobostigon | nos da everyone, sleep well. | 23:06 |
| brobostigon | night Guest :) | 23:07 |
| Guest | nighty | 23:07 |
| bigcalm | Good night brobostigon | 23:07 |
| brobostigon | night bigcalm | 23:07 |
| Guest | :) | 23:07 |
| brobostigon | :) | 23:07 |
| AlanBell | shauno: ah, new *and* odd | 23:10 |
| shauno | Oh that's odd. Mount /dev/sg0 says it's not a block device | 23:10 |
| AlanBell | that will be similar to an issue popey had | 23:10 |
| AlanBell | kernel bug | 23:10 |
| AlanBell | it is initialising the CD incorrectly in some way | 23:11 |
| shauno | Awesome. No mention on wiki :( | 23:11 |
| AlanBell | I think his issue was with the hard drive controller though | 23:11 |
| popey | hmm? | 23:12 |
| AlanBell | new macbook pro not recognising the CD drive when the kernel starts actually trying to drive it | 23:12 |
| popey | nope | 23:13 |
| popey | not recognising the sata controller | 23:13 |
| popey | so can't see hdd | 23:13 |
| shauno | I 'seem' to have a hdd, based on /dev/sda1 & 2 existing | 23:13 |
| shauno | no 'file' in busybox so couldn't tell much better than that | 23:13 |
| shauno | hm, no mention at all in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-1/Natty or the forum thread it points to :( | 23:19 |
| shauno | photos of screen = screenshot ftw. | 23:31 |
| Guest | Anyone had anyluck running flux? | 23:35 |
| Guest | It wont change my computers brightness | 23:36 |
| bigcalm | guest: I've tried it in Windows and Ubuntu, sadly it makes me ill | 23:36 |
| Guest | I can't do without it, my eyes are actually hurting at the moment :( | 23:37 |
| Guest | Why does it make you ill? | 23:37 |
| bigcalm | That I don't know | 23:37 |
| Guest | Nausic? | 23:37 |
| bigcalm | Make me feel sick, akin to motion sickness | 23:37 |
| bigcalm | Yep | 23:37 |
| Guest | Maybe you've got sensitive eyes | 23:37 |
| bigcalm | Every girl I've dated has said I have nice eyes ;) | 23:38 |
| Guest | :D Not to sure why flux isn't working, terminal output tells me nothing | 23:39 |
| Guest | And damn, vlc looks ugly in lxde | 23:39 |
| shauno | okay, the sata controller appears to be alive. I can mount /dev/sda1, but /dev/sg0 isn't a block device | 23:40 |
| Guest | Ah i see, vlc uses qt wheras lxde is best suited for gtk+ | 23:40 |
| shauno | so it doesn't appear to be 576601; their suggestion to use nomodeset makes no difference, and sda seems sensible | 23:42 |
| popey | shauno: mine is a 7,1 not an 8,1 | 23:44 |
| directhex | hm, kindle is debian-based. i didn't know that. | 23:45 |
| popey | it is!? | 23:45 |
| bigcalm | Isn't everything these days? | 23:45 |
| shauno | is there a way to find out what driver is attached to something in /dev/? | 23:47 |
| shauno | sg0 is 21,0 which is correct, but not answering as a block device is well funky | 23:48 |
| Guest | Strange request: Can anyone recommend a wallpaper? | 23:49 |
| directhex | Guest, this: http://sadpanda.us/images/188309-HO1SXX9.jpg | 23:50 |
| bigcalm | guest: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/sets/72057594070877691/ | 23:50 |
| bigcalm | directhex: nice | 23:51 |
| DasEi | Guest: do your own with digicam | 23:52 |
| bigcalm | Looking at those photos makes me want to get out with my camera again and add to the collection | 23:52 |
| DasEi | shauno: hwinfo -v , or look through lsmod | 23:53 |
| bigcalm | Slumber time, night all | 23:57 |
| shauno | neither appear to be in initramfs :/ | 23:57 |
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