=== Hornet- is now known as Hornet [02:24] [Jono Bacon] Natty In The Final Stretch: A Retrospective - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/05/natty-in-the-final-stretch-a-retrospective/ [05:09] \o [05:38] Howdy. In the last show, I think you were confused about the name of the distro you were talking about. Did you just not want to say oneiric? [05:39] might just be because there is a narwals song form weebl stuff lol [05:39] notice how omgubuntu have the narwals narwals swimming through the ocean on their home page [05:44] No, my mistake. 11.04 is Natty. They were right. [05:52] Severian: hehe, you were thinking a release ahead Oneiric Ocelot :P [05:52] I was. I like that Oneiric name. [05:53] Ocelot's look cute too! [05:54] I am getting more concerned that the Natty release may fail big. [05:54] I know what you mean [05:55] the next one Oneiric Ocelot has already been confirmed by Shuttleworth that its not going to contain gnome-classic on it too :( [05:57] That seems like it is designed to keep Ubuntu off a lot of computers. There are a lot of machines that can't handle 3D. Unity may be usable by then, so I am not panicking yet. [05:57] Unity looks nice now. But, I don't consider something that crashes multiple times per day usable for the average person. [06:09] agreed [06:25] Mmm... coffee and cheese sandwiches, breakfast meal for kings right :P [06:38] morning [06:39] MartijnVdS: morning dude [06:43] Dentist time.. *urgh* [06:44] :( [06:44] just a check-up, but still === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski [07:25] matti: AlanBell: morning [07:26] matti: AlanBell: better? http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-logo-and-circle-of-friends/ [07:31] morning [07:31] czajkowski: morning :-) [07:32] morning guys \o [07:32] ivanka: you're on here very early [07:32] czajkowski: fancy retweeting my logo thing? [07:32] czajkowski: lots to do :-) [07:32] can do [07:33] ahh I remember iain gave out over my twiiter pic as I was using the old one [07:33] http://twibbon.com/Search?searchQuery=ubuntu [07:33] we need to upload the new one there [07:34] czajkowski: can anyone do that? [07:34] what needs to be done? [07:35] ivanka: aye anyone can see my twitter pic twitter.com/czajkowski I've the twibbon ubuntu circle of friends on there, if the new one is uploaded I can change mine [07:35] ivanka: tweet done [07:36] * popey does as ivanka asks an retweets her :p [07:40] ivanka: if you want any more done just hollar [07:43] thank you popey :-) [07:44] thank you czajkowski [07:44] really dislike it when folks pick on the oss/foss rants. [07:44] ivanka: no bother [07:48] Morning [07:49] ivanka: whooooo [07:49] @D [07:49] czajkowski: what we whoooo-ing? [07:50] * ivanka lost the thread [07:52] ivanka: I now have the new logo on my twitter pic [07:52] czajkowski: yay!!!! [07:53] oh? [07:54] hello all [07:54] MooDoo: o/ [07:54] :) [07:55] czajkowski: you have cleverly managed to have both :-) [07:56] I jnow... [07:56] trying to fix that now [07:56] cant find that pic so need to upload a new pic [07:58] czajkowski: oh no! all this work before 8am - I opened a can of worms! [07:59] done [07:59] new pic added and new twibbon [07:59] :D [08:01] http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/04/04/why-being-an-approved-loco-team-doesnt-actually-matter-a-jot/ some comments and thoughts have been left [08:02] always shocked when people read the blog [08:02] czajkowski: why? [08:03] my blog posts tend to not be exciting more references for myself tbh [08:03] czajkowski: people read them becase they are interesting and inciteful [08:04] blarg [08:05] czajkowski: that and your famous now ;) lol [08:05] famous ? [08:06] How come I always end up playing around with partitions at 8am :( [08:06] angry birds on the ipad is addictive [08:06] czajkowski: rio?~ [08:06] the new angry birds rio rocks [08:06] rio? [08:07] czajkowski: yeah it's a new angry birds [08:07] no the angry birds HD on ipad2 [08:07] czajkowski: ah! yes that's brill too.... [08:07] * MooDoo plays AB on his android, looses hours. [08:10] * daubers hopes his package arrives today [08:10] Urgh... this USB stick is getting slow :( [08:11] hmm, wouldn't it be random if someone interfaced facebook with irc [08:11] * MooDoo closed down his FB account for a month, and to be honest isn't missing it. [08:12] MooDoo: not an awful lot goes on in facebook in all honesty [08:12] mainly just a drama fest. [08:15] HazRPG: i know, i was just uding it too much [08:18] uding? [08:18] HazRPG: typo [08:18] ah [08:18] yeah [08:19] I barely use mine in all fairness - people think I use it a lot because I constantly have youtube streams on it, but that's just because I set youtube to send in links whenever I click "like" on a video [08:20] so I pick videos I think others might want to see and click like on them [08:23] how do I upgrade the kernel stuff with command line? [08:23] typing in sudo apt-get upgrade doesn't seem to do it, it just lists that they're there [08:23] apt-get dist-upgrade? [08:24] * MooDoo isn't thinking right this morning, so ignore that if it doesn't work lol [08:24] upgrade does not install new unseen packages. [08:24] dist-upgrade does. [08:26] I always thought dist-upgrade was from going between release to release (e.g. 10.10 -> 11.04) [08:27] isn't that upgrade-manager? [08:27] update manager even [08:27] HazRPG, well, it does that too [08:28] HazRPG, but any case where upgrading a package on your system would involve installing a new package or removing an old one, "upgrade" will skip [08:29] ah ok [08:29] (Y) [08:34] * daubers head desks [08:34] :) [08:34] I've just seen someone use a URL shortening service to make a URL longer.... [08:34] lol [08:34] http://bit.ly/the_oatmeal_com === chalced is now known as chalcedony [08:42] mornin all [08:45] morning all [08:45] Morning folks === ivanka is now known as ivanka-train [08:46] AlanBell: DJones morning [08:47] Hi MooDoo [08:52] broad bands! [08:52] directhex: wide elastic bands ? ;) [08:59] ivanka-train: o/ [08:59] ivanka-train: the top two are not #dd4814 but overall much more suitable for web use [08:59] Morning all [09:00] :o! [09:00] http://store.neurosky.com/products/myndplay [09:00] its a media player that alters things as and when your thinking them! [09:00] AlanBell: I noticed the colour discrepancy, was going to pick up with Marcus this morning [09:02] i have so many fans on this damn computer it sometimes feels like i'm in the crystal maze dome [09:02] CAN YOU START THE FANS.. PLEASE! [09:03] What happened to the Crystal Maze? [09:03] daubers: \o/ [09:03] daubers: people became stupider? [09:03] daubers: reality TV took over sadly :( [09:03] HazRPG: thought that was what happened to the Krypton Factor? [09:05] ran out of crystals :( [09:06] gord: dylithium? [09:06] Mornin peeps [09:06] gord: But did you get enough gold and silver things to win a holiday in Dartmoor? [09:08] gord, use quieter fans? [09:09] directhex, these are quiet fans :) its the air moving sound not the fan sound [09:09] just that i move quite a lot of air [09:11] morning [09:12] hello Paul2 [09:12] hello popey [09:12] why is this in irssi autojoin, I definately saved my config more recently than I was in here [09:14] daubers: Indiana Jones got to the end of the Crystal maze and found the crystal skull [09:24] DJones: Thought they where aliens [09:24] daubers: Harrison Ford...... [09:25] i almost walked out of the cinema at the end of crystal skull [09:25] in disgust. one of the last films i watched at the cinema [09:26] * MooDoo walked out on the exorcist once [09:26] not surprised [09:28] when you don't go to the cinema often, you notice how much has changed. suddenly you have to sit through 20 mins of adverts (not even trailers) - can't be bothered with that, i'll wait for the dvd - then they start putting ads on dvds! [09:31] oimon, you don't remember the trailers at the start of videotapes? [09:32] directhex: they were trailers for films, and were quite fun if i correctly recall. now they are ads for chocolates and perfume [09:33] that's why the first thing I do when I buy my kids DVD's is to rip them to film only [09:34] And either reburn them or stick on my media centre [09:34] not to mention the "if you torrent this film then you won't be forced to watch this piracy advert" advert [09:34] Some of my kids films have got 10+ mins of trailers [09:34] diplo: time consuming though to rip and convert, i guess? [09:35] nah, as soon as i get home rip off the selophane and chuck in pc, 20 mins later or so it's done [09:35] wow [09:35] Taken a while to go through what I already had, just got to be on the ball when you first get it [09:36] need more disc space now though :) [09:36] how do you rip film only? [09:36] special app? [09:36] Handbrake or windows apps if i can't get to rip under linux [09:36] Did write a bash script to go through lot's of iso's [09:36] sorta worked ok [09:37] So basically ripped 20-30 dvd's and it basically looped through and ripped them to mkv's [09:37] diplo: dvdshrink? [09:37] is mkv the best futureproof format? [09:37] diplo: quite agree, it is crazy the non-skippable stuff on kids films [09:37] yeah some times, or DVDFab [09:37] Well mkv allows chapters oimon [09:38] So you can skip etc [09:38] Where as mp4 doesn't afaik [09:38] i have some digital video footage of my sisters kids when they were babies, i was thinking about archiving them properly [09:38] Is there a way to shorten the path when in a terminal window? so instead of me@mycomp:~/Some/Really/Long/Path/Here/Taking/Up/Lots/Of/Screen/Real/Estate$, it shows me@mycomp:~/Something$ [09:39] mp4 has a very high compatibility, so if you want your files to work everywhere, use that [09:39] TheAshMan: there is. [09:39] TheAshMan: let me find it [09:39] \o/ just ordered two hdmi cables from amazon. £1.45 each [09:39] "Just under a half of iPhone users earn less than £20,000 a year, compared with 38 per cent who own a BlackBerry and 27 per cent of Android users." [09:39] MartijnVdS, That would be great! Thanks [09:39] yeah i agree directhex, mp4 works on PS3 where as mkv doesn't [09:39] they have some that are 34p + 99p P&P [09:40] oimon, [cite]? [09:40] TheAshMan: check for PROMPT_DIRTRIM in the bash manual ("man bash") [09:40] Awesome, cheers [09:41] directhex: a study for digital banking provider Intelligent Environments [lots of hits on google news, and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1373055/Why-iPhone-users-look-rich-usually-poor.html ] [09:43] Good morning peeps :) [09:45] oimon: http://flowingdata.com/2010/08/11/iphone-users-are-more-promiscuous/ [09:45] hehe [09:53] Heh, http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Prototype.aspx Due for release in June 2010, I doubt they're going to make June 2011 if the prototypes are anything to go by [09:55] why? [09:55] It still looks to be a fair way from being complete [09:55] seems a silly product [09:55] "Our new Commodore operating system, will be a unique Commodore and AMIGA centric Linux distribution, that will grow over time into something far greater. " [09:56] oimon, wait, they're not using amigaos? o_o [09:56] "Units come with the Ubuntu 10.04 LTS operating system. Commodore OS 1.0, along with emulation functionality, will be mailed to purchasers when available" [09:57] oh, of course, amigaos 4 is for PPC, and they're using a crap-end x86 [09:57] nostalgia is fun and powerful enough to expend hard earned cash on , but $600 worth? [09:58] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AmigaOS_4.1_Update_2.png [09:58] Dual Core 525 Atom processor and the latest Nvidia Ion2 graphics chipset [10:04] does anyone know what microsoft campus agreement is? [10:05] oimon, yes. [10:06] is it where a university sells its soul for free use of MS software across campus? [10:06] more or less, yes. it's a site license for stuff on uni computers (but explicitly not for home machines) [10:07] is it expensive? [10:07] yes. [10:07] :( [10:07] but cheaper than a separate license for every box. [10:08] our dept don't use MS software on 90% of our machines, so we are effectively contributing to something we don't use as part of our topslice [10:09] yes, that's correct [10:09] you may also have other site licenses covered via your topslicing [10:09] e.g. matlab [10:09] stage 1 of the microsftisation (against 99% of the staff's wishes) is complete [10:10] hummingbird exceed [10:10] mathematica [10:10] etc [10:10] directhex: no we pay for the mathematica etc stuff ourselves [10:10] we are getting stitched up basically [10:10] stage 2= get AD, stage 3= exchange srever, stage 4= office 365 for students [10:10] stage 5 = oimon gets a different job [10:11] If you do not submit an extension order (one-year option) or anniversary order (three-year option), sign a new subscription enrollment, or exercise the Buy-out option, you are required to remove all products from every computer [10:12] oimon, stage 5, free xboxes for all! [10:12] stage 6 = oimon's old workplace crashes & burns because he's not there anymore to maintain it? [10:12] oimon, oh, yes, it's a lease, not a purchase. [10:13] all this makes oimon very sad [10:14] oimon, yes, it punishes those who aren't using CA products. but the same goes for any site license [10:14] i stopped caring about my workplace after getting made redundant too many times. then i started again, by actually thinking i could make systems run nicely and make a difference to people. [10:14] here's an email i received today "Thanks a lot, and thanks too for all the help you've given me over the last few years. I think you guys do a cracking job in IT support and I hope the people at my next uni are as good as you." [10:15] appreciative users? what is this madness? [10:15] i got sucked in, got emotionally involved :( now they want to rip out all the good we've done :'( [10:27] [Stuart Langridge] Ubuntu and Android, sitting in a tree (nearly) - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/04/05/ubuntu-and-android-sitting-in-a-tree-nearly- [10:31] There must an easier way of doing this in PHP? if (in_array($i, array(10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190))) { ... } [10:32] if($i %10 == 0) {} [10:32] Thank you! [10:32] I knew it was to do with % but I couldn't work out how to google it :) [10:33] http://uk.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.arithmetic.php [10:33] it is called a modulo operation [10:33] I should put it on a post-it really ;) [10:34] My monitors are littered with post-its [10:35] bigcalm: you mean tomboy :P [10:35] oimon: I'm using windows and that's another application to keep running and a window to hunt for :) [10:36] i heard the maintainer of tomboy is sexy [10:36] * Laney runs [10:36] Laney: who might that be? [10:37] jus' some guy [10:37] I'm guessing somebody in here [10:37] lookin' for a break [10:37] depends if you mean upstream or debian maintainer [10:37] :) [10:38] * bigcalm shrugs [10:38] the great thing about tomboy is that i am on v1.2.2 and had never thought of upgrading version until i saw popey's tweet about 1.6 today. in terms of bugs etc, i have no issues [10:38] Morning popey :) [10:38] anyway, he's very sexy [10:38] all the girls love him [10:38] Laney: lucky him. I'm happy with the love of my fiancee :) [10:39] :-) [10:42] I'm glad that I'm old enough to be considered a woman not a girl since otherwise I'd apparently be obligated to love a guy I have no interest in :-/ [10:43] all the men also want to be him [10:43] nobody gets off scot free [10:43] i don't, i'm me :D and that's good enough :) [10:43] lol [10:44] Laney: I'm female. I also really don't have any interest in loving men. So, yeah, I think I'm outside this circle. [10:44] i love me, myself and i :) [10:45] * bigcalm hugs Pendulum [10:46] i love cake. shame about the diet [10:46] * Pendulum hugs bigcalm [10:47] * MooDoo holds up a sign "free hugs" [10:47] Hah. Just had a discussion about ubuntu being 'hippyware', come in here and MooDoo's going round offering free hugs [10:47] :) [10:48] BigRedS: yeah baby ;) want some mint tea? [10:48] :( sent some funds from my current account to my savings account for the ISA deadline and they haven't turned up yet :( [10:51] oimon: that's because you sent them to my ISA, ta very much :D [10:51] starting to worry about that. HBOS said the funds would be there on 4 april.. today is 5 april === tim__ is now known as mistertim [11:00] Hey all - got a quick question - I seem to have consistently high load average on my laptop at the moment, but low CPU usage. In the course of investigating, I found a few processes that have a high major page fault rate (200 - 300 nFLT in top - does this qualify as 'high'?), but I've got bags of RAM free and no swap space is being used. Any pointers about what might be going wrong? [11:00] aah hang on - is nFLT cumulative? if so that might not be the problem at all [11:02] mistertim: pastebin the output from "top"? [11:02] good morning everyone. [11:02] lo [11:03] hey popey [11:03] morning all [11:03] * davmor2 gives czajkowski a back brace [11:04] popey: http://pastebin.com/a2LZ5QxQ - thanks! [11:04] mistertim: if load is high but cpu and mem aren't, it's probably I/O [11:04] mistertim: do you have iowait? check iostat 60 for iowait % , [11:05] oimon: Iowait is very low - less than 1% [11:05] actually i'm a bit confused about swap space [11:05] says the total is 0k but several processes claim to be using some in their columns [11:07] mistertim: something doesn't add up - load average is high but i don't see any running processes. try vmstat 1 for a minute or so and check the first column [11:07] mistertim: how many cores ? [11:07] what cpu is it? [11:08] boo, iowait [11:09] popey: 2 cores, will double check the exact model now [11:09] cat /proc/cpuinfo [11:09] some final(v.3) gnome3 updates from the gnome3-team, no breakeage. :) [11:09] that load average doesn't look high to me [11:10] popey: intel core 2 duo 2.4ghz [11:10] you have a fair few chrome windows open [11:11] popey: aah, interesting. it might be nothing then - [11:11] whats the problem you're experiencing? [11:11] popey: what's your load aver? mine is <1 [11:11] oimon: depends which box I look at [11:11] it just seemed higher than usual is all [11:11] may well be higher than normal [11:11] mine is typically <1 too - and gnome system monitor consistently reports 5-6 at the mo [11:12] is there a command to reset gnome panels to the ubuntu default ? [11:12] max load = number of cores [11:12] is a good rule [11:12] may well be all the chrome tabs, but that hasn't been a problem in the past [11:12] oimon: aah that's useful [11:12] mistertim: i was thinking that you have a lot of chrome processes [11:12] is there a lot of flash in those tabs? [11:12] popey: I've got flashblock installed, so noen [11:12] none [11:12] heh [11:13] may be an extension though [11:13] will disable some and have a look [11:13] the problem could be cyclical, that's why i suggest running system monitor GUI and vmstat 1 for a few mins [11:13] oimon: i have one cpu, with a single core, and regulaerly during updates get load average above 3, so that rule doesnt apply. [11:13] oimon: i have vmstat running now, number of running procs is all over the place [11:13] brobostigon: it wasnt a rule [11:14] it was a guideline for "normal" operation [11:14] popey: well, ok, my misinterpretation. [11:14] sorry, [11:14] seems to leap between <10 and ~40 fairly freuently [11:14] we have boxes here that go to 40-50 load average [11:14] mistertim: what does? [11:14] popey: oimon called it a rule. if you look back. [11:14] popey: column 'r' from vmstat [11:14] it's a rule of thumb, the 15 min load ave is 5.50, which to me means overload [11:15] rule of thumb == guideline [11:15] mistertim: isnt that your chromium processes all waking up? [11:15] ok, fine, i seemed to have misinterpretated oimon's words, sorry. [11:15] mistertim: mine is 0 :) [11:16] if your processor jumps to 50 momentarily, it's ok. but if it can't sort out that stuff quickly, then it is overloaded. that's why the 1,5, 15 min averages are useful [11:16] mistertim: i bet if you do "ps -ef | grep chromium-browser | wc -l" you will get 40 [11:16] popey: hah! that would be likely [11:17] popey: 45. Mystery solved i think [11:18] thanks a lot chaps - it may have been nothing, but i've certainly learnt a fair bit! :-) [11:18] mistertim: do you have a current version of chrome? [11:18] oimon: nightly builds - possibly not today's though [11:18] it can be a bit flaky tbh [11:19] hah, killed chrome and the load av dropped like a stone [11:19] only 1 running proc now [11:19] i think that clears it up [11:19] magic [11:20] chrome has its own task manager, as you may know - shift+escape [11:20] (it sometimes doesn't display and you have to choose "view background pages" in the manu) [11:20] *menu [11:20] dwatkins: ooh, that's very useful [11:21] it's a lot easier than running strace on the process ;) [11:21] nice one [11:23] brb reboot === tim_ is now known as mistertim === andylock1an is now known as andylockran [11:34] * TheOpenSourcerer wonders how on earth Gwibber made it into the default Ubuntu install - it's very unreliable and a process hog. [11:34] popey: I'm wondering how accurate google latitude is are you really stood in the carpark? [11:37] TheOpenSourcerer, because there's no good mono-based twitter client to force on people! [11:37] I'm glad it's not just me that had problems with Gwibber. I thought I'd done something wrong on my install, as people seemed to be raving about it. [11:38] I think hotot could be a decent replacement. It's still a bit rough around the edges but pretty good from my initial experiences. [11:38] gwibber is probably the buggiest software ever included on a default install [11:38] TheOpenSourcerer: it's QT thought i think.. [11:39] TheOpenSourcerer: actually it's gtk2 [11:39] davmor2: on my phone it shows me inside the building, just [11:39] it just looks a bit out of place on my desktop! [11:39] Are ther any decent mono apps? There are not any I use. Partially, that is by design, but no mono app ever seemed like worth trying. [11:39] Severian: tomboy [11:39] Tomboy, Banshee [11:39] docky [11:40] all my faves :) [11:40] :) [11:40] Yeah - styling isn't the best, and I don't like the way it floods libnotify every time you start it with old mentions but otherwise it seems reliable and lightweight. [11:40] Severian: banshee [11:40] all of these http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-cli-apps-team@lists.alioth.debian.org [11:40] TheOpenSourcerer: yeah, especially when the old mentions were just truncated tweets that converted oimon**** into oimon [11:41] ooo, giver still exists? [11:41] I don't know docky. I'll go read about that. I like VLC, and I have not seen any advantage to banshee. [11:41] banshee is a music player/manager [11:41] vlc is (mostly) a video player [11:41] banshee is the only music app i've stayed with for more than 3 months after the demise of amarok 1.x [11:41] jesus christ, how frequently does this come up? [11:42] popey: http://ubuntuone.com/p/kyW/ nope that'll be the edge of the loading bay that will :P [11:42] banshee has some very sweet features [11:42] VLC AND BANSHEE ARE NOT THE SAME TYPE OF APP [11:42] it's like comparing EOG and GIMP [11:42] heh [11:42] I use VLC for music all the time. It is nice and simple. [11:42] Severian: but do you have a library of music files? [11:42] vlc is missing great swathes of functionality that banshee has [11:42] vlc is a file player! [11:43] sure. I have a few hundred CDs converted to ogg files. [11:43] does anyone know how to get banshee to view the music as a file tree, like amarok's file view? [11:43] davmor2: maybe I like sitting in the loading bay ;D [11:43] directhex, right, that is one of it's best features. [11:43] oimon, banshee doesn't have a file approach. it runs everything from the library. [11:43] oimon, if you want a file tree, it's not the app for you [11:43] popey: that's your story and your sticking to it right :D [11:44] Severian, it's a very powerful file player, but it's just a file player, and it's not the same type of app as a library player [11:44] directhex: was hoping for an extension .. i still catch mrs oimon using amarok 1 [11:45] directhex, I think I agree and that is why I use VLC. It does the important stuff and stay out of the way with the stuff that is just distracting. [11:45] Severian: how do you manage playlists, and play whole albums ? [11:46] or find a song on a compilation somewhere [11:46] Each album is in a directory. I just play the directory to play the album. [11:46] yeah i use VLC for that sometimes on my windows box [11:47] I don't have any colpilation albums. I lump those into a various folder where the files are named by artist and song. It seems quite simple and easy to use. [11:47] colpilation -> compiliation [11:47] popey: you want hope you boss doesn't have latitude he'll dock you money while you're out in the carpark not working :D [11:48] * popey runs inside [11:48] Severian, and to play a specific song, rather than an album? [11:48] I also have an icecast server running playing a random assortment of songs. Sometimes, I tune VLC to that. [11:48] To play a song, I select the song. [11:48] Severian, select from where? [11:49] Severian: we're not saying that you are doing it wrong..but there are now music library apps that take the effort out of choosing songs etc [11:49] I select it from the album it is in. [11:49] using nautilus/file browser? [11:49] Severian, so you need to have the track listings for indivdual albums memorised? [11:49] * daubers notes city link has 10 minutes to deliver stuff after failing to deliver it on saturday, and failing to have it in the depot when I arranged to collect it yesterday [11:50] Severian: different people have different need I listen to music all day I don't want to have to pick the next track I want it to just play, I have podcasts I listen to I don't want to have to go off and download each one when I have a music/podcast library tool do that for me etc etc etc [11:50] I am not saying I am doing it the only way. I am just trying to understand why the "library" approach would make my life any easier or do a better job. [11:51] Severian, then i repeat my question. in order to play a given track you're in the mood for, you need to memorize which album it's from, to open the right folder for that file? [11:51] I don't listen to music all day. Maybe, if I listened more, I would see a difference. I mostly listen to podcasts or from one of my icecast feeds. I have another one that streams Melvin Bragg. [11:52] Severian: a music library app such as banshee can present songs which are your favourites/unheard/recently added, all songs by a particular artist across all albums, song search, etc [11:52] directhex, yes. But, I always know the album, anyway. [11:52] i still tend to listen to whole albums too [11:52] i dont have a music collection anymore [11:52] i use spotify [11:52] Severian, so you're doing the computer's job for it, then? mentally searching a mental index for arbitrary metadata? [11:53] wag the dog! [11:53] popey: what happened to the old collection? [11:53] sat on a disk somewhere [11:53] popey: yes but you're sad and loney ;) I listen a lot to absolute 80's fantastic channel :) [11:53] :( [11:54] http://www.last.fm/user/popeydc [11:54] i would like banshee to offer additional categories such as Sermons, Conferences, Lectures etc - it currently only offers Audiobooks which is non-editable name [11:54] sermons!? [11:54] Your musical compatibility with popeydc is Medium [11:54] directhex, maybe so, but I always know the album. Am I supposed to try to forget it, so I can let a computer do it. That seems harder to do than the system I have now. [11:54] Music you have in common includes … Sugababes [11:54] \o/ [11:54] \o/ [11:54] yes, sermons are some of the highest use of podcasting [11:54] * popey pushes the button [11:55] nothing happened, that I can see. Push it again. [11:55] * oimon notes that popey listened to blue monday on a monday [11:56] popey was indicating that he's ready for me (boy) [11:56] he pushed the button to let me know [11:56] before i got the wrong idea and went (and he missed the freak that i control) [11:56] * popey did [11:56] Ahh. Y'all have fun. [11:56] is spotify in such a state yet that those of us on linux can try it without paying for it? [11:57] using wine, yes [11:57] yes [11:57] has been for ages [11:57] gord: ads have increased in annoyance and frequency though [11:57] eh, don't want to rely on wine for my music listening [11:57] i often turn down the vol for the ads and forget to turn it up for 2 hours [11:57] wine or a fiver per month are your spotify options [11:57] oimon: i have never seen/heard a sermon podcast [11:57] woudln't want to either tbh :) [11:58] yay tangerine! [11:58] i'll continue not using it then - i'm not sure what their logic is behind keeping the linux client behind a paywall [11:58] Laney, is the fiver a limited amount of listening still though ? [11:58] * directhex plays music from his desktop [11:58] diplo: no, a fiver is for no ads [11:58] "Spotify Unlimited" [11:59] gord, last i read up on it was they we're having issues getting the ads to work correctly in linux [11:59] i have a hard time believing that [11:59] Not looked in a while but i thought they had a higher one that was unlimited and the fiver was a certain time of listening [11:59] * diplo reinvestigates [11:59] premium gives you other features [11:59] So do i, but that's the last thing i read about it [11:59] like offline and mobile [11:59] popey: itunes has a chart : http://www.itunescharts.net/us/charts/podcasts/2011/03/23 mars hill church is in the top 100 US podcasts [11:59] \o/ mobile [12:00] \o/ nice that mars hill church is well behind Ricky Gervais. That makes me happy [12:00] I got a spotify premium subscription, as I can now play it through the bluetooth thing in my car \o/ [12:00] ricky is in 79th place [12:00] ivanka: o/ can you join #ubuntu-accessibility for a bit [12:00] 9th place [12:01] ♥ Pilkington ♥ [12:01] ♥ Merchant ♥ [12:01] have you listened to their old xfm shows? [12:01] if not, do [12:01] ♥ banana milkshakes ♥ [12:02] why does record my desktop hate me today >:( [12:02] ♡ Unicode ♥ [12:02] i have an archive of them Laney [12:02] good man [12:02] * oimon notices there is a podcast called All about Android [12:03] popey: did you find any good podcasts? [12:03] gord: you confused it hates you everyday just more than normal today ;) what's up with it? [12:03] its making 0 byte files [12:03] gord: Man it really hates you [12:04] i can see it encoding though, so that's annoying [12:05] oh wait no, i see why. hrm. yes that would be a problem [12:05] *deletes files so that he has more than 1byte free on his home drive* [12:05] gord: I just tried it's working fine here :( [12:06] ah so I can't use on my mobile with unlimited [12:06] if i get some work done at the dentist and it gives me gip, do i get free follow up within 2 months of the work being done? [12:06] oimon: is it a good podcast though? [12:07] davmor2: hope to find out [12:08] The Bugle has to be my favourite podcast. even if it is from the times. funny stuff :) [12:08] oimon: I think you do [12:08] \o/ [12:08] although i always get the feeling my dentist is out for ways to earn $££ from me [12:09] longs for a day when his teeth aren't hurting at some point :S [12:11] oimon: I thought that's what all dentists wanted [12:11] oimon: tell the dentist about openmolar [12:13] AlanBell: most dentists use access on win95 [12:13] in my experience [12:13] * brobostigon has ham toasties and ginger beer, :) [12:13] about time they changed then [12:15] oimon: But may depend how much you've paid, normally you pay about £16 for the 1st visit & another £30 for the follow up, but I think once you've paid the £46 most normal treatment within 2 months is covered [12:16] paid £16 + £80 for a filling [12:16] oimon: Gold filling? [12:16] no :( the gold one cost £500 on my other tooth [12:17] well that was a crown. [12:17] old age makes oimon sad [12:17] * DJones gets the pliers out, a £500 crown might be worth something at www.webuyyouroldgold.co.uk [12:17] deffo [12:18] she dropped it into the back of my throat when applying it. i almost swallowed as a reflex [12:18] not sure what would have happened then [12:18] Nature would take its course :) [12:18] but would they want to apply the same crown or get a new one? [12:19] i wouldn't like the idea of having a poo tooth [12:19] in my mouth [12:19] * brobostigon tunes out, as he is having lunch, [12:19] oimon: £1000 for a crown :D [12:19] * oimon checks the CoC [12:19] davmor2: on the website? [12:20] beautiful pics http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1373277/London-s-secret-wildlife-wonderland-revealed-photographer-rose-dawn-day-capture-stunning-images.html [12:21] * oimon isn't a daily mail reader, but even if he was, wouldn't apologise for it [12:23] daily fail ;) [12:23] sigh. [12:35] hey gord that'll be one for you. open up idle in natty now it crashes compiz :D [12:35] gord: any tcl/tk app will do idle was just the one I had installed [12:36] davmor2, i hear that yeah [12:37] gord: I think the bulk of the bugs have been pointed at unity incorrectly however :( [12:37] thats usually the way :) [12:37] davmor2, fixed in compiz trunk apparently [12:38] wow, X just completely hung just after logging in on 10.10, that's wierd [12:38] gord: that's normally the way too :D [12:45] hey all [12:45] quickie for yas [12:45] I want to take an ubuntu install on a laptop and put it on a desktop [12:45] easiest way to do it? [12:46] cbx33: I would probably do a fresh install on the desktop & copy the home parition over [12:46] !cloning [12:46] To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate [12:47] And use that to replicate the packages onto the 2nd machine [12:47] i need "this" install [12:50] do you keep backups? just restore your latest backup onto the new machine :) [12:50] Shameless pimp : http://askubuntu.com/questions/33460/hp-probook-4720s-fans-running-constantly-at-full [12:55] there is some very specific setup on this machine - I just want to copy the whole machine - I'll probably just format the drive - rsync the data over and reinstall grub [12:55] cbx33: have you ever used dd before? [12:55] dd will clone a drive to another one of the same size or larger. [12:56] yeh - dd is an option but the drive I am copying onto is smaller [12:56] which is an ass [12:56] I could just resize the original [12:56] I'd just use tar. tar --xattrs --selinux --one-file-system -cf - /dir | (cd /new/path; tar -xf -) then boot the new box from a livecd to set grup up [12:56] but don't really want to futz with it [12:57] ahh yeh could use grub for recovering [12:57] i mean live cd [12:57] didn't think of that [12:57] assuming you've got a sensible way to mount the target drive on the current machine. if not, you can wedge netcat in the middle of that pipeline to do it across a network [12:57] yeh [12:58] tar --xattrs --selinux --one-file-system -cf - /dir | (cd /new/path; tar -xf -) [12:58] is that complete? [12:58] should be (you'll want / for /dir tho) [12:58] yah [12:59] I'll need an exclude though right [12:59] to exclude the mouted dest [12:59] --one-file-system stops it wandering off the current device (stops it picking up devfs, proc, etc too) [12:59] ahhh [12:59] cool [12:59] ty [13:00] yeh of course [13:00] forgot that one [13:00] or that's my understanding of --one-file-system atleast. if you spot it trying to tar up /dev or /proc, may need to rethink ;) [13:01] diplo: does windows show the fan speeds? [13:01] hehe [13:01] Nope, but it does control them [13:01] occasionally comes on with flash vids etc [13:02] cbx33: if you can mount the laptop drive on the new machine, I'd be tempted to do the whole operation from a livecd. so you're copying /mnt/oldsystem to /mnt/newsystem, instead of picking up 'running state' cruft [13:02] diplo: have you run sensors-detect and also tried fancontrol? [13:02] that was my intention [13:02] shauno: good plan [13:03] Yep and yep, all it does is detect temps [13:07] diplo: one more, do you have stuff in /sys/class/hwmon/ [13:09] not sure, give me a sec in win7 atm :) [13:09] will reboot once svn import has finished [13:09] :) [13:09] with ls, is there a way to supress "ls: No match. [13:09] diplo: or when you have time, look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fan_Speed_Control - you mighht be able to turn off/on fans based upon self-defined criteria [13:09] when there are no files found? [13:10] \o/ City Link fails again [13:12] rebooting [13:12] popey: you could redirect stderr to a file or /dev/null [13:13] ls missingfile 2> /dev/null [13:14] > ls -1 *.car 2> /dev/null [13:14] ls: No match. [13:14] doesn't work [13:14] oimon, hwmon has lot's of temp files in there with name, uevent and a power/subsystem folder [13:14] popey: which OS? [13:14] rhel5 [13:15] oh, wrong shell, sory [13:15] csh is evil [13:15] agreed [13:16] * hoover hacked away on tcsh for a long time [13:16] slightly less evil [13:16] but once bash got tab completion... ;-) [13:16] i think even csh got file completion on solaris eventually. would have saved me years of pain [13:17] yep, I think so too [13:17] by default, solaris used to ship with a bourne shell for root with minimal features, to discourage admins from staying logged in as root too long [13:18] because if root could tab complete, THE WORLD WOULD END [13:18] or allowed history [13:18] make the experience miserable. punish that sysadmin! [13:18] directhex: or anyone [13:18] or even had $PATH [13:19] oimon, solaris has always been retarded by default. [13:19] iphone? [13:19] oimon, it seems that arch page is good if it detects your fan but i get nowt/nada [13:19] what‘s that? [13:20] o_O [13:20] diplo: ok, sorry to get the hopes up. i thought maybe you could at least siwtch it on and off manually using device control :( [13:20] solaris was good to learn a disciplined way before experiencing linux. although i used vim for years on linux without realising the extra stuff it could do, because i was used to years of solaris vi [13:22] \o [13:22] achieved over 1000 days uptime on my solaris boxes on various occasions === hazrpg1 is now known as Hazmaster [13:23] how's everyone doing :) [13:24] good afternoon Hazmaster :) [13:25] heh, I've close to given up anyway oimon [13:26] diplo: do you boot with any special kernel options? acpi ones [13:27] Nope, started looking into it but couldn't find anything useful at the time [13:28] howdy [13:28] :s [13:30] howdy howdy howdy [13:31] diplo: found this comment, looks scary though http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8962178&postcount=9 [13:31] just ffound acpi_hp in manpages on ubuntu site [13:31] so may try both [13:32] ta === denny- is now known as denny [13:35] popey: how do i learn about volunteering for packaging for ubuntu? got lots of exp on rhel packaging for local repos [13:40] oimon: have you looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide [13:41] X3N: cheers will take a look [13:43] and possibly https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU [13:44] ^ which is more about the actual package contribution process rather than creating packages [13:47] ta [13:47] Afternoon All [13:48] I really need to stop trying to access the old app menu in natty [13:48] It's doing my nut in now [13:50] It's doing your nat in ;) [13:57] heh [13:58] brobostigon: good afternoon :) [14:00] Hazmaster: good afternoon, :) [14:03] man this keyboard is soooo tiny! [14:03] someone remind me why netbooks are so popular again :/ [14:03] i barely use mine [14:04] if i was ever going to use this properly i would probably have to carry a wireless/wired keyboard && mouse! [14:04] I use mine when I'm going somewhere and don't want to bring my laptop [14:04] some of us don't want to carry a laptop around with us and don't want to use a phone [14:04] but I have small hands and don't have issues with the smaller keyboard [14:05] you get used to netbook keyboards anyway, they are fine [14:05] I guess but my fingers keep tring to press two keys at once >_< [14:05] either i've got big hands, or the keys are way too tiny and too close for my likeing [14:05] get a stylus, use to press keys! [14:06] directhex: sort of defeats the poitn :P [14:06] typing is based on muscle memory, your bad at typing on a netbook really just because your pressing the inbetween parts, you expect the keys to be further away, all you need is practice and you'll be fine [14:07] My one issue with my netbook is that the trackpad is horrid [14:12] my issues with my netbook is that it is slow, has no touchscreen, and poor battery life, and low res screen ...yes i bought the eee 701 [14:17] my one issue with my netbook is that the linux drivers for the wireless on more recent Ubuntus are very touchy [14:20] see on mine, i have the right button button as a button on the whole far right column, and left as a left column... its really weird... [14:20] what happened the the standard two buttons at the top thing :S [14:21] penguin42: heh, i had trouble with wireless drivers the other night when i was installing ubuntu on someone's laptop! [14:23] RTL is.. weird [14:23] at least for most of us LTR-people [14:25] heh [14:25] thats not quite what i mean [14:26] i mean it has 3 columns on my mouse pad [14:26] a wide centre-piece for moving the mouse around, and two boxes on either side thats skinny as left/right mouse buttons [14:27] so you end up using your middle finger for moving the mouse, and thumb for left-clicks, and when you want to right-click, you have to sort of rearrange your hand around [14:28] you don't have a pinkie finger? [14:28] its odd [14:28] four-fingered Hazmaster [14:28] shauno: i do... but its numb most of the time [14:28] counts in octal :) [14:28] can barely do much with it [14:29] you should see me on guitar hero... i use 3 fingers for all 5 keys [14:29] Hazmaster: how did you end up like that? :) [14:30] it gets insane >_< but its what i'm use to because i can't press hard enough with my pinky [14:30] MartijnVdS: no idea, always been like that as far as i know :P [14:30] Hazmaster: gimpy pinky [14:30] might just be simply lack of practice [14:30] Bah I am trying to add a route out on a line that has no proxy but for some reason it wont work [14:30] and not enough pinky-cise [14:31] Hazmaster: http://chromercise.com/ [14:32] or http://www.thextensor.com/ :) [14:32] MartijnVdS: xD [14:36] shauno: heh [14:36] doesn't that thing look terrifying [14:37] oh that's fun. handbrake is apparently using about 680% of my cpu. wheeeee [14:40] shauno: octocore? [14:40] quad, but with hyperthreading. [14:41] still trying to get the hang of how activity monitor tracks that. on my old c2d, pegging one core was 100%, so 200% was the ceiling [14:41] apparently on this one, pegging one core is 200%, if you're using both threads properly. so 800% is the ceiling [14:41] it's just 100% per thread. [14:41] but hyperthreading will never hit full utilization [14:43] it's going roughly 5 times as fast as my old machine, so I'm pretty happy either way :) [14:43] shauno: converting DVDs? [14:43] (based on the fps of the actual encode. it's the results that matter) [14:43] oimon: just rescaling to fit my TV (the box I have under the TV is rather weak) [14:44] * oimon has some spare HPC clusters ..should sell out the remaining cluster time [14:45] I think with my paltry upload, it's faster to do it myself [14:46] I've been really tempted to move to 100mbit, just to get double the upstream :/ [14:51] right time to go meet peoples [14:51] its someone's b-day, and i need to help her get her newly ubuntu box onto the internets (she's currently on windows because she couldn't work it out even though i showed her how :P) [14:52] catch ya later guys :) [14:52] o/ [14:52] bye Hazmaster o/ [14:52] brobostigon: :) o/ [15:23] looks like gvfsd has a nasty memory leak [15:28] grr that task i wanted to do earlier is now more complicated by the presense of LVM [15:28] shauno: any ideas now :p [15:32] i can create a new pv [15:32] but i can't call the vg the same [15:32] reluctantly cancelling my subs to linux magazine :( [15:32] but i could rename it afterwards [15:33] due to no time to read it , and cost-cutting measures enforced by much higher living costs in the last year or so :( [15:36] oimon: lxf? [15:37] dogmatic69: no, the far superior (IMO) linux magazine: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Resources/Current-Issue [15:37] hmm looks like it is to do with gnome-system-properties that i left running all night [15:37] hmmm [15:39] oimon: cheaper too [15:39] £40 per year..but still too much for me right now [15:39] xlf is 53 [15:40] oimon: get a trial subscription, £3 for the next 3 months, use that time to save ;) [15:40] cbx33: haven't used lvm, sorry [15:41] * penguin42 starts his annual fight with gnucash [15:43] ooh, interesting solution to the england vs ireland cricket dilema. ireland aren't being allowed in the 2015 world cup [16:05] oooer any doctors in the house? [16:07] * brobostigon goes and plays with android app inventor. [16:12] ok, anyone want to try to confirm bug 751523? [16:12] Launchpad bug 751523 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "gnome-system-monitor spams dbus with requests for volume information" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751523 [16:14] ali1234: i can try in natty or lucid [16:14] not meerkat [16:15] you might have to leaveit running for 12 hours or so... [16:15] can do that on natty then :) [16:17] it doesn't seem to affect natty from my test [16:17] although it's only been running for 10 minutes [16:21] bug fixed then :) [16:21] \0/ [16:22] only half of it [16:22] there's two bugs really [16:22] /0\ [16:22] system-monitor bug merely exposes another bug in gvfsd [16:26] this is very similar to the last "memory leak" i tracked down [16:26] where a badly written app is spamming another app with requests, causing it to use too much memory [16:26] everyone thinks it is a leak, but theres no evidence of such because the bug is actually in another app and the "leaky" app is just doing what it is told [16:26] mem leaks used to be few and far between in the olden days :( [16:27] so the bug never gets found or fixed because triagers just say "post valgrind log" which is not useful at all in these situations [16:27] looks like this bug has been floating about for a couple of years at least [16:28] i never noticed it before because i've never left gsm running over night on the filesystems page before [16:28] ali1234 do you have any extra filesystems mounted too? [16:29] sure, loads on maverick [16:29] e.g. mem cards [16:29] all kinds of stuff [16:29] usb sticks [16:29] but it seems to be hitting the "gphoto2" gvfs among other things [16:29] everyone seems to have that [16:29] under natty i have hardly anything cos its a vm [16:30] i wonder if it would show up on a system without non-local disks attached? [16:30] i'm just starting some to see [16:30] maybe attacha screenshot of the filesytem tab to show mounted filesystems [16:31] it probably happens faster/slower depending how many filesystems you have mounted [16:31] but i bet it still happens [16:32] gvfsd is using little mem on my natty box atm [16:32] it might not even start leaking until the xsession-errors starts filling up [16:32] "leaking" [16:33] !lts [16:33] LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04) [16:36] ali1234: what does gvfs-mount -l show on your bo [16:36] x [16:37] http://pastebin.com/tGEPeDZL [16:38] mine was empty. have stuck in a USB stick [16:38] on natty mine only has the natty install iso from virtualbox [16:39] would be interesting to mount a ext4 filesystem or something through it like on mav [16:43] knotify4 is also using 1GB of swap [16:44] i bet that's related [16:44] ali1234: i often don't reboot for 2 months at a time and running many apps at once, plugging my phone etc, but don't see this problem [16:44] although i import photos mainly on my home laptop [16:44] i don't use photo import [16:45] i don't use any of this stuff [16:45] i never had this problem until i left gnome-system-monitor running over night [16:48] ping me tomorrow and i'll check my resource usage after leaving it on overnight [16:49] ok, i restarted gsm [16:50] seems it doesn't trigger the leak until it hits the dbus limit [16:51] sorry, my mistake, it actually does [16:52] you do have to be on "file systems" tab to see it though [16:52] i am ,but don't see anything amiss [16:52] then gvfsd memory use increases by about 1mb/second [16:53] gonna install lucid in a minute and see if that is affected [16:53] then maybe maverick [16:53] i'm on lucid now..hang on [16:53] cannot reproduce in natty [16:54] the effect is very obvious in fact [16:54] if you watch eg top [16:54] gvfsd memory use increases by 1mb nearly every time top refreshes [16:55] i have watch -n 1 "ps -efl | grep gvfsd" while file systems tab open (lucid and natty) [16:56] lucid going upVERY slowly [16:56] 2197kb..2232KB [16:57] which column am i looking at? [16:57] SZ [16:57] columns aren't labelled here [16:57] i just see this: 0 S al 31598 1 0 80 0 - 27905 poll_s 16:28 ? 00:00:02 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd [16:58] 27905 [16:58] top says: 31598 al 20 0 113m 43m 2044 S 0 1.1 0:02.24 gvfsd [16:58] that's gone up by 2mb since i pasted it [17:00] try: top -p `pidof gvfsd` [17:00] guys just managed to copy the whole information to the disk [17:01] but doing grub-install it's not seeming to read the config [17:01] just gives me a grub prompt [17:01] any ideas? [17:01] ali1234: res 4396 shr 1708 [17:01] do a pxe install [17:02] oimon: res and virt are the interesting ones [17:02] half what gets allocated never gets used again so it goes directly into virt [17:03] i'm now at 158m 73m [17:03] ps -efl still says 41005 [17:19] i really don't like that some websites know who i am on facebook, anyone know how to get rid of that? [17:19] log out of facebook [17:19] lol [17:19] i thinkthere's a firefox extension to do it as well [17:20] no no staying logged out seems to work, seems this machien is the only one of my machine that had "keep me logged in" checked [17:20] http://superuser.com/questions/144973/blocking-facebooks-like-button-in-firefox [17:20] i dunno if that wil actually stop websites from knowing you or just hide the box [17:21] ali1234: http://www.ghostery.com/ [17:21] ali1234: that works for me [17:41] oh - i'm wearing a tshirt from a conference today, guess its time to do the laundry [17:42] gord: hah, you work like that too? :) === Guest81911 is now known as MichealH === MichealH is now known as Guest63779 === Guest63779 is now known as MichealH [17:50] i just noticed that natty has the screen-edge-maximise behaviour copied from windows 7 [17:50] so i guess it's not all bad [17:51] that one i actually like [17:51] not sure how it will work with two monitors though === tubadaz_ is now known as tubadaz [18:03] ali1234: On win 7 it only works on outside edges [18:48] meh [18:59] alright who stole cz [19:04] evening [19:14] exit [19:14] oop. wrong pane... [19:17] :) [19:19] hi all. need help or advice! got a so called netbook thingy which is my cousins. its a dell inspiron mini running crappy win 7 and its got blue screen of death. how can i put ubuntu on t and wipe off win 7? [19:20] jonsaint: generally, download unetbootin, use it to make a USB key installer, then boot off it [19:20] you'll need another computer with which to do the unetbootin bit [19:21] will my pc do as thats ubuntu? [19:21] yeah [19:21] unetbootin's in the repositories [19:21] I think there's a ubuntu tool for making the instt CDs [19:21] so this unetbootin, where can i get it and is that all i will need or what as ive never done this before [19:22] !unetbootin [19:22] For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [19:23] so i have to tell my memory stick to boot?? (however that happens!) [19:24] ywah, that'll be in the bios on the netbook [19:24] Usually, I think, F12 for a boot menu, then choose USB HDD [19:24] so all i need to do is put ubuntu on the stick?? do a copy/paste?? [19:24] no, you need to make it into an installer [19:24] with unetbootin, for example [19:25] where do i get that programme from? [19:25] !liveusb [19:25] For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [19:25] ah, ignore my bit, jacobw's suggestion is a better one [19:25] i found it on software centre [19:27] so once i installed that, will that convert it into a boot file then? [19:27] it'll make a usb stick into an installer, yeah [19:27] that you can boot from, as you might an installer CD [19:28] il try that. many thanks folks il give it a whirl [19:31] Doesn't fglrx work in natty yet? [19:31] does fglrx ever work? [19:31] heh [19:32] Installed it and ended up with a garbled unusable system until i removed the package [19:32] yeah, I think thats what it's for [19:32] :) [19:33] I only use it for the power management [19:33] Otherwise my battery lasts around 2 nano seconds [19:35] i have read that yes fglrx works now [19:35] proprietary sucks :( [19:39] more importantly, does nvidia work in natty yet? [19:40] intel still gives gpu lockups/hangs. [19:40] ali1234: I've been using it a few days, seems okay === cypher is now known as czajkowski [19:42] i tried reproducing the gvfs bug in maverick and lucid vms and neither worked [19:42] i've no problem with the intel card on my netbook [19:42] I can't seem to get FGLRX working at all :/ [19:43] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/715096 [19:43] Ubuntu bug 715096 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i945gm] GPU lockup (ESR: 0x00000001 IPEHR: 0x02000011)" [High,Incomplete] [19:43] jacobw: that bug, is my issue. [19:43] why is it incomplete? [19:44] ali1234: because i have yet to find, a kernel that actually works properly, as suggested by bryce, to test out, if it exists or is gone, or otherwise. [19:45] ali1234: or anyone for that matter, maybe. [19:45] he asked you to test with a specific kernel [19:45] you did it and it didn't work [19:45] so mark it back to new or confirmed [19:46] btw i have i945 i will test this [19:46] ali1234: ah, yes, good idea. that would help alot, getting the most information possible. [19:49] how long does it normally take to get a gpu lockup? [19:50] ali1234: mins/hours/days , it is random as far as i can see. === earthshine__ is now known as earthshine2 [20:27] [Jono Bacon] ShipIt Discontinued, Long Live LoCo Teams - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/05/shipit-discontinued-long-live-loco-teams/ [20:44] What's the release date for 11.04? [20:44] 24/4 iirc [20:45] Ta [20:45] Now give me your postal address :P [20:45] 28/4 actually [20:46] 23 days left to iron out all them bugs. Fun [20:52] ah, i reproduced gvfsd bug on natty :) [20:53] and lucid [20:53] mmmm boiled candy with salmiakki powder heart, nomnomnom [20:54] also: I'm mad, I'm writing a summer job application for my nephew [20:55] ;] [20:55] and maverick, all with clean installs [20:57] should I be trying beta-1 or nightlies? [20:57] i'm using nightlies [20:57] Myrtti: why are you writing the summer job application? [20:59] Pendulum: because my no good nephew doesn't know how to write one and he needs a summer job :-) [20:59] well, no good is an overstatement [20:59] lazy? [20:59] he's good in football and playing with PS3 [20:59] I guess it goes with being 15 [21:05] ok, i updated instructions to reproduce on bug 751523 [21:05] Launchpad bug 751523 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "gnome-system-monitor spams dbus with requests for volume information" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751523 [21:05] now it can be reproduced on any of the 6 systems i tried it on [21:06] am i right in saying, AlanBell will now be managing distribution of the loco's allocated cd's? [21:07] * AlanBell distributed 18 today [21:08] brobostigon: if you want CDs then put your request on the plan http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/2011plan [21:08] I don't know when we will get the Natty CDs [21:08] AlanBell: natty, will be my interest. [21:09] hmm gvfsd uses 4x as much memory on 64 bit... [21:09] looks like I can fill in the form now though [21:09] * Ubuntu: PC: 250 [21:09] * Kubuntu: PC: 50 [21:09] * Server PC: PC: 50 [21:09] ubuntu golf day, :) [21:10] AlanBell: i just read the post on jono's blog about it. [21:11] * AlanBell has submitted the Natty CD request [21:12] I think we should do a Kubuntu installfest, whilst all wearing blue wigs [21:13] lol [21:13] AlanBell: will it involve the Chickens too? [21:13] * brobostigon could get blue streaks. [21:13] Pendulum: I will of course reserve one CD for the chicken's upgrade [21:14] hehe [21:15] * brobostigon is getting fedup with a certain discussion on the gnome-shell mailing list. [21:15] if anyone is pondering being an ubuntu member you might want to go and lurk in #ubuntu-meeting where there is a membership board meeting underway now [21:16] * brobostigon graceully declines, and thanks AlanBell. [21:24] AlanBell: what does it mean to be a memeber? [21:24] -e [21:24] !member [21:24] Ubuntu Membership means recognition of a significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu and the Ubuntu community. For more info see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership [21:25] well that didn't go so well. installer couldn't find the cdrom [21:25] I have the feeling that I do bugger all [21:26] i do what i can, in the way i can. and people know my capabilties and what i have done, so at the moment, i see no need. [21:31] does anyone know how dbus works internally? [21:32] eg when you set a watch on something where is it stored and under what conditions does it get removed? [21:32] I can't figure out where I can download natty that isn't wsu.edu :/ [21:32] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [21:32] shauno: cdimage.ubuntu.com [21:32] tried the daily, no go [21:33] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/beta-1/ [21:33] oh, that's a dvd [21:33] ah. wasn't expecting it to be in the releases tree [21:34] the link off ubuntu.com was giving me 22 days :/ [21:43] Hey could anyone help me with some sound problems? [21:44] OO: good evening, could you elaborate abit more please. [21:44] Well my computer has internal speakers and i can't get them to make any sounds [21:45] This is the result of lspci [21:45] !pastebin [21:45] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [21:46] OO: please use a pastebin. [21:46] Yeah i was just prepping it for paste.ubuntu.com ;P [21:46] :) [21:46] http://paste.ubuntu.com/589845/ [21:47] OO: pastebinit is useful, pipe lspci etc into pastebinit, and it automaticlly pastebin's its input. [21:48] That's the name of the program? [21:49] yes. [21:49] it just saves alittle time. [21:50] OO: what does alsamixer sayabout it? [21:50] OO: what is in /proc/asound/cards ? [21:52] This is from ls /proc/acards/ : http://paste.ubuntu.com/589902/ [21:53] /proc/asound/cards is a text document containing the following: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589903/ [21:56] hi all. managed to install ubuntu on a dell inspiron mini but unable to get wifi to work. got an exclamation mark on there. entered my details from my wifi but no joy. anyone give advice? [21:56] \o herro [21:58] noswaith dda HazRPG :) [22:01] brobostigon: \o :) [22:01] o/ [22:14] Evening aquarius, welcome to the mad house :) [22:15] Mad house? This isn't the mad house! We can leave any time we want. Besides, only /some/ of us are mad. [22:16] the place where you can check out any time you like but you can never leave isn't in the UK, it's in California :) [22:16] They have a nice hotel I hear [22:17] I'm surprised you didn't join sooner. Work gone a little quiet? ;) [22:19] * bigcalm moshes while coding to NIN \m/ [22:20] aquarius: congrats :) [22:21] MySQL question: records have start and end date fields. I need a query that will select records that start, end or completely overlap a given date window. The start and end dates within the date window is easy and working. Stuck on the complete overlap, any ideas? [22:22] Pendulum, thanks [22:23] aquarius: still not sure why it took you longer than it took me, though :P [22:23] bigcalm, more that I keep meaning to and forgetting, and I was reminded and thought: I should just tick "auto-join", shouldn't I? [22:23] Pendulum, ah, well, I've gotta prove myself [22:23] aquarius: aha :) [22:23] hah [22:24] aquarius: I saw jono in #lugradio the other day. He muttered something about getting the lads together in the summer. Any news? :D [22:25] * bigcalm realises that asking this is akin to asking when oggcamp will be ;) === s1aden is now known as sladen [22:31] hah [22:31] * bigcalm tickles popey [22:33] o/ aquarius [22:33] hey AlanBell. Thanks for your testimonial! [22:34] bigcalm, that sort of question is 3% dependent on what I think and 97% dependent on when el Baconio is actually in perfidious Albion :) [22:34] :) [22:34] Damn it, I want bacon now [22:35] No, not Jono :P [22:37] I have to say, NIN really does work nicely for coding [22:37] Suits my mood due to sql ticking me off [22:48] Anyone alive? I've got a worrying issue here. Anyone know phillw? [22:49] MasterComputer: no one AFAIK knows him in person and he doesn't hang out here [22:49] but I also don't know anyone who has seen him around for at least a week on IRC, I think either [22:49] (I think my last e-mail from him was about a week ago) [22:50] Pendulum: This is highly worrying, he's gone AWOL, I have no idea what's happened to him. I'm trying to find someone local to him to check up on him. [22:52] MasterComputer: yeah, he didn't hang out in #ubuntu-uk at all. I know generally where in the UK he is, but not specifics [22:52] What was his usual hangout, Pendulum? [22:53] MasterComputer: I think #ubuntu-beginners for a while. and probably whatever the lubuntu channel is [22:53] Thank you, Pendulum; I'll check there. === OO is now known as Guest16945 [22:56] :/ Beta1 can't find my cdrom either [22:58] Hey brobostigon and popey, i resolved my sound problems by installing gnome's alsa mixer and unticker Master Mixer (which was ticked to mute). This was something I couldn't access from LXDE's volume control. Sound works now :) [22:58] Thanks for the help you two gave me :) [22:59] :) [22:59] Guest: you're welcome. [23:00] I was OO, btw [23:00] That nicks currently unavailable for some unknown reason lol [23:00] 22:56:47 -!- Guest [~OO@unaffiliated/oo] has joined #ubuntu-uk [23:00] i could tell, :) [23:01] guest: you could /msg nickserv ghost oo [23:01] Oh, it isn't active [23:01] i just checked, the nick OO is still logged in. [23:01] * bigcalm shrugs, smiles and returns to MySQL [23:02] it is showing as connedted to freenode but no channels. [23:02] anyway, i need sleep, [23:02] nos da everyone, sleep well. [23:02] Is there any way to tell d-i what device the disk is on? [23:02] Night night [23:03] night Guest. [23:03] shauno: d-i ? [23:03] the installer [23:04] ubiquity? [23:04] !info ubiquity [23:04] ubiquity (source: ubiquity): Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.8 (maverick), package size 4041 kB, installed size 14260 kB [23:04] d-i is debian installer on the alternate CD [23:04] i was just going to ask. [23:04] Text based, can't launch the livecd without being able to find disk either [23:05] Sorry, thumbing away at phone do not so snappy responses [23:05] shauno: i would go to serperate terminal and run fdisk -l and or df -h -T [23:05] do you have a particularly strange configuration shauno? [23:05] I can find it, it's /dev/sg0 [23:05] Ah no bos i said night night because i thought you were going to bed :P [23:06] or a really really old/new/odd CD drive? [23:06] Guest: i was, untill shauno'squestion came up. [23:06] Week-old MacBook pro. Only oddity I can tell with drive is that dvdrw is sata too [23:06] nos da everyone, sleep well. [23:07] night Guest :) [23:07] nighty [23:07] Good night brobostigon [23:07] night bigcalm [23:07] :) [23:07] :) [23:10] shauno: ah, new *and* odd [23:10] Oh that's odd. Mount /dev/sg0 says it's not a block device [23:10] that will be similar to an issue popey had [23:10] kernel bug [23:11] it is initialising the CD incorrectly in some way [23:11] Awesome. No mention on wiki :( [23:11] I think his issue was with the hard drive controller though [23:12] hmm? [23:12] new macbook pro not recognising the CD drive when the kernel starts actually trying to drive it [23:13] nope [23:13] not recognising the sata controller [23:13] so can't see hdd [23:13] I 'seem' to have a hdd, based on /dev/sda1 & 2 existing [23:13] no 'file' in busybox so couldn't tell much better than that [23:19] hm, no mention at all in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-1/Natty or the forum thread it points to :( [23:31] photos of screen = screenshot ftw. [23:35] Anyone had anyluck running flux? [23:36] It wont change my computers brightness [23:36] guest: I've tried it in Windows and Ubuntu, sadly it makes me ill [23:37] I can't do without it, my eyes are actually hurting at the moment :( [23:37] Why does it make you ill? [23:37] That I don't know [23:37] Nausic? [23:37] Make me feel sick, akin to motion sickness [23:37] Yep [23:37] Maybe you've got sensitive eyes [23:38] Every girl I've dated has said I have nice eyes ;) [23:39] :D Not to sure why flux isn't working, terminal output tells me nothing [23:39] And damn, vlc looks ugly in lxde [23:40] okay, the sata controller appears to be alive. I can mount /dev/sda1, but /dev/sg0 isn't a block device [23:40] Ah i see, vlc uses qt wheras lxde is best suited for gtk+ [23:42] so it doesn't appear to be 576601; their suggestion to use nomodeset makes no difference, and sda seems sensible [23:44] shauno: mine is a 7,1 not an 8,1 [23:45] hm, kindle is debian-based. i didn't know that. [23:45] it is!? [23:45] Isn't everything these days? [23:47] is there a way to find out what driver is attached to something in /dev/? [23:48] sg0 is 21,0 which is correct, but not answering as a block device is well funky [23:49] Strange request: Can anyone recommend a wallpaper? [23:50] Guest, this: http://sadpanda.us/images/188309-HO1SXX9.jpg [23:50] guest: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/sets/72057594070877691/ [23:51] directhex: nice [23:52] Guest: do your own with digicam [23:52] Looking at those photos makes me want to get out with my camera again and add to the collection [23:53] shauno: hwinfo -v , or look through lsmod [23:57] Slumber time, night all [23:57] neither appear to be in initramfs :/