[02:24] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Natty In The Final Stretch: A Retrospective - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/05/natty-in-the-final-stretch-a-retrospective/
[05:09] <HazRPG> \o
[05:38] <Severian> Howdy.  In the last show, I think you were confused about the name of the distro you were talking about.  Did you just not want to say oneiric?
[05:39] <HazRPG> might just be because there is a narwals song form weebl stuff lol
[05:39] <HazRPG> notice how omgubuntu have the narwals narwals swimming through the ocean on their home page
[05:44] <Severian> No, my mistake.  11.04 is Natty.  They were right.
[05:52] <HazRPG> Severian: hehe, you were thinking a release ahead Oneiric Ocelot :P
[05:52] <Severian> I was.  I like that Oneiric name.
[05:53] <HazRPG> Ocelot's look cute too!
[05:54] <Severian> I am getting more concerned that the Natty release may fail big.
[05:54] <HazRPG> I know what you mean
[05:55] <HazRPG> the next one Oneiric Ocelot has already been confirmed by Shuttleworth that its not going to contain gnome-classic on it too :(
[05:57] <Severian> That seems like it is designed to keep Ubuntu off a lot of computers.  There are a lot of machines that can't handle 3D.  Unity may be usable by then, so I am not panicking yet.
[05:57] <Severian> Unity looks nice now.  But, I don't consider something that crashes multiple times per day usable for the average person.
[06:09] <HazRPG> agreed
[06:25] <HazRPG> Mmm... coffee and cheese sandwiches, breakfast meal for kings right :P
[06:38] <MartijnVdS> morning
[06:39] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: morning dude
[06:43] <MartijnVdS> Dentist time.. *urgh*
[06:44] <HazRPG> :(
[06:44] <MartijnVdS> just a check-up, but still
[07:25] <ivanka> matti: AlanBell: morning
[07:26] <ivanka> matti: AlanBell: better? http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-logo-and-circle-of-friends/
[07:31] <czajkowski> morning
[07:31] <ivanka> czajkowski: morning :-)
[07:32] <HazRPG> morning guys \o
[07:32] <czajkowski> ivanka: you're on here very early
[07:32] <ivanka> czajkowski: fancy retweeting my logo thing?
[07:32] <ivanka> czajkowski: lots to do :-)
[07:32] <czajkowski> can do
[07:33] <czajkowski> ahh I remember iain gave out over my twiiter pic as I was using the old one
[07:33] <czajkowski> http://twibbon.com/Search?searchQuery=ubuntu
[07:33] <czajkowski> we need to upload the new one there
[07:34] <ivanka> czajkowski: can anyone do that?
[07:34] <ivanka> what needs to be done?
[07:35] <czajkowski> ivanka: aye anyone can see my twitter pic twitter.com/czajkowski I've the twibbon ubuntu circle of friends on there, if the new one is uploaded I can change mine
[07:35] <czajkowski> ivanka: tweet done
[07:36]  * popey does as ivanka asks an retweets her :p
[07:40] <czajkowski> ivanka: if you want any more done just hollar
[07:43] <ivanka> thank you popey :-)
[07:44] <ivanka> thank you czajkowski
[07:44] <czajkowski> really dislike it when folks pick on the oss/foss rants.
[07:44] <czajkowski> ivanka: no bother
[07:48] <daubers> Morning
[07:49] <czajkowski> ivanka: whooooo
[07:49] <czajkowski> @D
[07:49] <ivanka> czajkowski: what we whoooo-ing?
[07:50]  * ivanka lost the thread
[07:52] <czajkowski> ivanka: I now have the new logo on my twitter pic
[07:52] <ivanka> czajkowski: yay!!!!
[07:53] <xwx> oh？
[07:54] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:54] <daubers> MooDoo: o/
[07:54] <MooDoo> :)
[07:55] <ivanka> czajkowski: you have cleverly managed to have both :-)
[07:56] <czajkowski> I jnow...
[07:56] <czajkowski> trying to fix that now
[07:56] <czajkowski> cant find that pic so need to upload a new pic
[07:58] <ivanka> czajkowski: oh no! all this work before 8am - I opened a can of worms!
[07:59] <czajkowski> done
[07:59] <czajkowski> new pic added and new twibbon
[07:59] <czajkowski> :D
[08:01] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/04/04/why-being-an-approved-loco-team-doesnt-actually-matter-a-jot/  some comments and thoughts have been left
[08:02] <czajkowski> always shocked when people read the blog
[08:02] <MooDoo> czajkowski: why?
[08:03] <czajkowski> my blog posts tend to not be exciting more references for myself tbh
[08:03] <MooDoo> czajkowski: people read them becase they are interesting and inciteful
[08:04] <directhex> blarg
[08:05] <MooDoo> czajkowski: that and your famous now ;) lol
[08:05] <czajkowski> famous ?
[08:06] <daubers> How come I always end up playing around with partitions at 8am :(
[08:06] <czajkowski> angry birds on the ipad is addictive
[08:06] <MooDoo> czajkowski: rio?~
[08:06] <MooDoo> the new angry birds rio rocks
[08:06] <czajkowski> rio?
[08:07] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah it's a new angry birds
[08:07] <czajkowski> no the angry birds HD on ipad2
[08:07] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ah!  yes that's brill too....
[08:07]  * MooDoo plays AB on his android, looses hours.
[08:10]  * daubers hopes his package arrives today
[08:10] <daubers> Urgh... this USB stick is getting slow :(
[08:11] <HazRPG> hmm, wouldn't it be random if someone interfaced facebook with irc
[08:11]  * MooDoo closed down his FB account for a month, and to be honest isn't missing it.
[08:12] <HazRPG> MooDoo: not an awful lot goes on in facebook in all honesty
[08:12] <HazRPG> mainly just a drama fest.
[08:15] <MooDoo> HazRPG: i know, i was just uding it too much
[08:18] <HazRPG> uding?
[08:18] <MooDoo> HazRPG: typo
[08:18] <HazRPG> ah
[08:18] <HazRPG> yeah
[08:19] <HazRPG> I barely use mine in all fairness - people think I use it a lot because I constantly have youtube streams on it, but that's just because I set youtube to send in links whenever I click "like" on a video
[08:20] <HazRPG> so I pick videos I think others might want to see and click like on them
[08:23] <HazRPG> how do I upgrade the kernel stuff with command line?
[08:23] <HazRPG> typing in sudo apt-get upgrade doesn't seem to do it, it just lists that they're there
[08:23] <MooDoo> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:24]  * MooDoo isn't thinking right this morning, so ignore that if it doesn't work lol
[08:24] <directhex> upgrade does not install new unseen packages.
[08:24] <directhex> dist-upgrade does.
[08:26] <HazRPG> I always thought dist-upgrade was from going between release to release (e.g. 10.10 -> 11.04)
[08:27] <MooDoo> isn't that upgrade-manager?
[08:27] <MooDoo> update manager even
[08:27] <directhex> HazRPG, well, it does that too
[08:28] <directhex> HazRPG, but any case where upgrading a package on your system would involve installing a new package or removing an old one, "upgrade" will skip
[08:29] <HazRPG> ah ok
[08:29] <HazRPG> (Y)
[08:34]  * daubers head desks
[08:34] <MooDoo> :)
[08:34] <daubers> I've just seen someone use a URL shortening service to make a URL longer....
[08:34] <MooDoo> lol
[08:34] <daubers> http://bit.ly/the_oatmeal_com
[08:42] <hoover> mornin all
[08:45] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:45] <DJones> Morning folks
[08:46] <MooDoo> AlanBell: DJones morning
[08:47] <DJones> Hi MooDoo
[08:52] <directhex> broad bands!
[08:52] <MooDoo> directhex: wide elastic bands ? ;)
[08:59] <AlanBell> ivanka-train: o/
[08:59] <AlanBell> ivanka-train: the top two are not #dd4814 but overall much more suitable for web use
[08:59] <Compacthack> Morning all
[09:00] <HazRPG> :o!
[09:00] <HazRPG> http://store.neurosky.com/products/myndplay
[09:00] <HazRPG> its a media player that alters things as and when your thinking them!
[09:00] <ivanka-train> AlanBell: I noticed the colour discrepancy, was going to pick up with Marcus this morning
[09:02] <gord> i have so many fans on this damn computer it sometimes feels like i'm in the crystal maze dome
[09:02] <daubers> CAN YOU START THE FANS.. PLEASE!
[09:03] <daubers> What happened to the Crystal Maze?
[09:03] <HazRPG> daubers: \o/
[09:03] <HazRPG> daubers: people became stupider?
[09:03] <HazRPG> daubers: reality TV took over sadly :(
[09:03] <daubers> HazRPG: thought that was what happened to the Krypton Factor?
[09:05] <gord> ran out of crystals :(
[09:06] <MooDoo> gord: dylithium?
[09:06] <wintellect> Mornin peeps
[09:06] <daubers> gord: But did you get enough gold and silver things to win a holiday in Dartmoor?
[09:08] <directhex> gord, use quieter fans?
[09:09] <gord> directhex, these are quiet fans :) its the air moving sound not the fan sound
[09:09] <gord> just that i move quite a lot of air
[09:11] <popey> morning
[09:12] <popey> hello Paul2
[09:12] <Paul2> hello popey
[09:12] <Paul2> why is this in irssi autojoin, I definately saved my config more recently than I was in here
[09:14] <DJones> daubers: Indiana Jones got to the end of the Crystal maze and found the crystal skull
[09:24] <daubers> DJones: Thought they where aliens
[09:24] <DJones> daubers: Harrison Ford......
[09:25] <oimon> i almost walked out of the cinema at the end of crystal skull
[09:25] <oimon> in disgust. one of the last films i watched at the cinema
[09:26]  * MooDoo walked out on the exorcist once
[09:26] <oimon> not surprised
[09:28] <oimon> when you don't go to the cinema often, you notice how much has changed. suddenly you have to sit through 20 mins of adverts (not even trailers) - can't be bothered with that, i'll wait for the dvd - then they start putting ads on dvds!
[09:31] <directhex> oimon, you don't remember the trailers at the start of videotapes?
[09:32] <oimon> directhex: they were trailers for films, and were quite fun if i correctly recall. now they are ads for chocolates and perfume
[09:33] <diplo> that's why the first thing I do when I buy my kids DVD's is to rip them to film only
[09:34] <diplo> And either reburn them or stick on my media centre
[09:34] <oimon> not to mention the "if you torrent this film then you won't be forced to watch this piracy advert" advert
[09:34] <diplo> Some of my kids films have got 10+ mins of trailers
[09:34] <oimon> diplo: time consuming though to rip and convert, i guess?
[09:35] <diplo> nah, as soon as i get home rip off the selophane and chuck in pc, 20 mins later or so it's done
[09:35] <oimon> wow
[09:35] <diplo> Taken a while to go through what I already had, just got to be on the ball when you first get it
[09:36] <diplo> need more disc space now though :)
[09:36] <oimon> how do you rip film only?
[09:36] <oimon> special app?
[09:36] <diplo> Handbrake or windows apps if i can't get to rip under linux
[09:36] <diplo> Did write a bash script to go through lot's of iso's
[09:36] <diplo> sorta worked ok
[09:37] <diplo> So basically ripped 20-30 dvd's and it basically looped through and ripped them to mkv's
[09:37] <MooDoo> diplo: dvdshrink?
[09:37] <oimon> is mkv the best futureproof format?
[09:37] <AlanBell> diplo: quite agree, it is crazy the non-skippable stuff on kids films
[09:37] <diplo> yeah some times, or DVDFab
[09:37] <diplo> Well mkv allows chapters oimon
[09:38] <diplo> So you can skip etc
[09:38] <diplo> Where as mp4 doesn't afaik
[09:38] <oimon> i have some digital video footage of my sisters kids when they were babies, i was thinking about archiving them properly
[09:38] <TheAshMan> Is there a way to shorten the path when in a terminal window? so instead of me@mycomp:~/Some/Really/Long/Path/Here/Taking/Up/Lots/Of/Screen/Real/Estate$, it shows me@mycomp:~/Something$
[09:39] <directhex> mp4 has a very high compatibility, so if you want your files to work everywhere, use that
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: there is.
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: let me find it
[09:39] <popey> \o/ just ordered two hdmi cables from amazon. £1.45 each
[09:39] <oimon> "Just under a half of iPhone users earn less than £20,000 a year,  compared with 38 per cent who own a BlackBerry and 27 per cent of  Android users."
[09:39] <TheAshMan> MartijnVdS, That would be great! Thanks
[09:39] <diplo> yeah i agree directhex, mp4 works on PS3 where as mkv doesn't
[09:39] <popey> they have some that are 34p + 99p P&P
[09:40] <directhex> oimon, [cite]?
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: check for PROMPT_DIRTRIM in the bash manual ("man bash")
[09:40] <TheAshMan> Awesome, cheers
[09:41] <oimon> directhex: a study for digital banking provider Intelligent Environments [lots of hits on google news, and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1373055/Why-iPhone-users-look-rich-usually-poor.html ]
[09:43] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:45] <AlanBell> oimon: http://flowingdata.com/2010/08/11/iphone-users-are-more-promiscuous/
[09:45] <oimon> hehe
[09:53] <DJones> Heh, http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Prototype.aspx Due for release in June 2010, I doubt they're going to make June 2011 if the prototypes are anything to go by
[09:55] <directhex> why?
[09:55] <DJones> It still looks to be a fair way from being complete
[09:55] <directhex> seems a silly product
[09:55] <oimon> "Our new Commodore operating system, will be a unique Commodore and AMIGA  centric Linux distribution, that will grow over time into something far  greater. "
[09:56] <directhex> oimon, wait, they're not using amigaos? o_o
[09:56] <oimon> "Units come with the Ubuntu 10.04 LTS operating system. Commodore OS 1.0, along with  emulation functionality, will be mailed to purchasers when available"
[09:57] <directhex> oh, of course, amigaos 4 is for PPC, and they're using a crap-end x86
[09:57] <oimon> nostalgia is fun and powerful enough to expend hard earned cash on , but $600 worth?
[09:58] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AmigaOS_4.1_Update_2.png
[09:58] <oimon> Dual Core 525 Atom processor and  the  latest Nvidia Ion2 graphics chipset
[10:04] <oimon> does anyone know what microsoft campus agreement is?
[10:05] <directhex> oimon, yes.
[10:06] <oimon> is it where a university sells its soul for free use of MS software across campus?
[10:06] <directhex> more or less, yes. it's a site license for stuff on uni computers (but explicitly not for home machines)
[10:07] <oimon> is it expensive?
[10:07] <directhex> yes.
[10:07] <oimon> :(
[10:07] <directhex> but cheaper than a separate license for every box.
[10:08] <oimon> our dept don't use MS software on 90% of our machines, so we are effectively contributing to something we don't use as part of our topslice
[10:09] <directhex> yes, that's correct
[10:09] <directhex> you may also have other site licenses covered via your topslicing
[10:09] <directhex> e.g. matlab
[10:09] <oimon> stage 1 of the microsftisation (against 99% of the staff's wishes) is complete
[10:10] <directhex> hummingbird exceed
[10:10] <directhex> mathematica
[10:10] <directhex> etc
[10:10] <oimon> directhex: no we pay for the mathematica etc stuff ourselves
[10:10] <oimon> we are getting stitched up basically
[10:10] <oimon> stage 2= get AD, stage 3= exchange srever, stage 4= office 365 for students
[10:10] <oimon> stage 5 = oimon gets a different job
[10:11] <oimon> If you do not submit an extension order (one-year option) or anniversary order (three-year option), sign a new subscription enrollment, or exercise the Buy-out option, you are required to remove all products from every computer
[10:12] <directhex> oimon, stage 5, free xboxes for all!
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> stage 6 = oimon's old workplace crashes & burns because he's not there anymore to maintain it?
[10:12] <directhex> oimon, oh, yes, it's a lease, not a purchase.
[10:13] <oimon> all this makes oimon very sad
[10:14] <directhex> oimon, yes, it punishes those who aren't using CA products. but the same goes for any site license
[10:14] <oimon> i stopped caring about my workplace after getting made redundant too many times. then i started again, by actually thinking i could make systems run nicely and make a difference to people.
[10:14] <oimon> here's an email i received today "Thanks a lot, and thanks too for all the help you've given me over  the last few years. I think you guys do a cracking job in IT support and  I hope the people at my next uni are as good as you."
[10:15] <directhex> appreciative users? what is this madness?
[10:15] <oimon> i got sucked in, got emotionally involved :( now they want to rip out all the good we've done :'(
[10:27] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Ubuntu and Android, sitting in a tree (nearly) - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/04/05/ubuntu-and-android-sitting-in-a-tree-nearly-
[10:31] <bigcalm> There must an easier way of doing this in PHP? if (in_array($i, array(10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190))) { ... }
[10:32] <soneill> if($i %10 == 0) {}
[10:32] <bigcalm> Thank you!
[10:32] <bigcalm> I knew it was to do with % but I couldn't work out how to google it :)
[10:33] <soneill> http://uk.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.arithmetic.php
[10:33] <jonny> it is called a modulo operation
[10:33] <bigcalm> I should put it on a post-it really ;)
[10:34] <bigcalm> My monitors are littered with post-its
[10:35] <oimon> bigcalm: you mean tomboy :P
[10:35] <bigcalm> oimon: I'm using windows and that's another application to keep running and a window to hunt for :)
[10:36] <Laney> i heard the maintainer of tomboy is sexy
[10:36]  * Laney runs
[10:36] <bigcalm> Laney: who might that be?
[10:37] <Laney> jus' some guy
[10:37] <bigcalm> I'm guessing somebody in here
[10:37] <Laney> lookin' for a break
[10:37] <Laney> depends if you mean upstream or debian maintainer
[10:37] <popey> :)
[10:38]  * bigcalm shrugs
[10:38] <oimon> the great thing about tomboy is that i am on v1.2.2 and had never thought of upgrading version until i saw popey's tweet about 1.6 today. in terms of bugs etc, i have no issues
[10:38] <bigcalm> Morning popey :)
[10:38] <Laney> anyway, he's very sexy
[10:38] <Laney> all the girls love him
[10:38] <bigcalm> Laney: lucky him. I'm happy with the love of my fiancee :)
[10:39] <Laney> :-)
[10:42] <Pendulum> I'm glad that I'm old enough to be considered a woman not a girl since otherwise I'd apparently be obligated to love a guy I have no interest in :-/
[10:43] <Laney> all the men also want to be him
[10:43] <Laney> nobody gets off scot free
[10:43] <MooDoo> i don't, i'm me :D and that's good enough :)
[10:43] <MooDoo> lol
[10:44] <Pendulum> Laney: I'm female. I also really don't have any interest in loving men. So, yeah, I think I'm outside this circle.
[10:44] <MooDoo> i love me, myself and i :)
[10:45]  * bigcalm hugs Pendulum
[10:46] <directhex> i love cake. shame about the diet
[10:46]  * Pendulum hugs bigcalm 
[10:47]  * MooDoo holds up a sign "free hugs"
[10:47] <BigRedS> Hah. Just had a discussion about ubuntu being 'hippyware', come in here and MooDoo's going round offering free hugs
[10:47] <BigRedS> :)
[10:48] <MooDoo> BigRedS: yeah baby ;)  want some mint tea?
[10:48] <oimon> :( sent some funds from my current account to my savings account for the ISA deadline and they haven't turned up yet :(
[10:51] <bigcalm> oimon: that's because you sent them to my ISA, ta very much :D
[10:51] <oimon> starting to worry about that. HBOS said the funds would be there on 4 april.. today is 5 april
[11:00] <mistertim> Hey all - got a quick question - I seem to have consistently high load average on my laptop at the moment, but low CPU usage. In the course of investigating, I found a few processes that have a high major page fault rate (200 - 300 nFLT in top - does this qualify as 'high'?), but I've got bags of RAM free and no swap space is being used. Any pointers about what might be going wrong?
[11:00] <mistertim> aah hang on - is nFLT cumulative? if so that might not be the problem at all
[11:02] <popey> mistertim: pastebin the output from "top"?
[11:02] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:02] <popey> lo
[11:03] <brobostigon> hey popey
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all
[11:03]  * davmor2 gives czajkowski a back brace
[11:04] <mistertim> popey: http://pastebin.com/a2LZ5QxQ - thanks!
[11:04] <BigRedS> mistertim: if load is high but cpu and mem aren't, it's probably I/O
[11:04] <oimon> mistertim: do you have iowait?  check iostat 60 for iowait % ,
[11:05] <mistertim> oimon: Iowait is very low - less than 1%
[11:05] <mistertim> actually i'm a bit confused about swap space
[11:05] <mistertim> says the total is 0k but several processes claim to be using some in their columns
[11:07] <oimon> mistertim: something doesn't add up - load average is high but i don't see any running processes. try vmstat 1 for a minute or so and check the first column
[11:07] <popey> mistertim: how many cores ?
[11:07] <popey> what cpu is it?
[11:08] <directhex> boo, iowait
[11:09] <mistertim> popey: 2 cores, will double check the exact model now
[11:09] <popey> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[11:09] <brobostigon> some final(v.3) gnome3 updates from the gnome3-team, no breakeage. :)
[11:09] <popey> that load average doesn't look high to me
[11:10] <mistertim> popey: intel core 2 duo 2.4ghz
[11:10] <popey> you have a fair few chrome windows open
[11:11] <mistertim> popey: aah, interesting. it might be nothing then -
[11:11] <popey> whats the problem you're experiencing?
[11:11] <oimon> popey: what's your load aver? mine is <1
[11:11] <popey> oimon: depends which box I look at
[11:11] <mistertim> it just seemed higher than usual is all
[11:11] <popey> may well be higher than normal
[11:11] <mistertim> mine is typically <1 too - and gnome system monitor consistently reports 5-6 at the mo
[11:12] <ging> is there a command to reset gnome panels to the ubuntu default ?
[11:12] <oimon> max load = number of cores
[11:12] <oimon> is a good rule
[11:12] <mistertim> may well be all the chrome tabs, but that hasn't been a problem in the past
[11:12] <mistertim> oimon: aah that's useful
[11:12] <oimon> mistertim: i was thinking that you have a lot of chrome processes
[11:12] <popey> is there a lot of flash in those tabs?
[11:12] <mistertim> popey: I've got flashblock installed, so noen
[11:12] <mistertim> none
[11:12] <popey> heh
[11:13] <mistertim> may be an extension though
[11:13] <mistertim> will disable some and have a look
[11:13] <oimon> the problem could be cyclical, that's why i suggest running system monitor GUI and vmstat 1 for a few mins
[11:13] <brobostigon> oimon: i have one cpu, with a single core, and regulaerly during updates get load average above 3, so that rule doesnt apply.
[11:13] <mistertim> oimon: i have vmstat running now, number of running procs is all over the place
[11:13] <popey> brobostigon: it wasnt a rule
[11:14] <popey> it was a guideline for "normal" operation
[11:14] <brobostigon> popey: well, ok, my misinterpretation.
[11:14] <brobostigon> sorry,
[11:14] <mistertim> seems to leap between <10 and ~40 fairly freuently
[11:14] <popey> we have boxes here that go to 40-50 load average
[11:14] <popey> mistertim: what does?
[11:14] <brobostigon> popey: oimon called it a rule. if you look back.
[11:14] <mistertim> popey: column 'r' from vmstat
[11:14] <oimon> it's a rule of thumb, the 15 min load ave is  5.50, which to me means overload
[11:15] <popey> rule of thumb == guideline
[11:15] <popey> mistertim: isnt that your chromium processes all waking up?
[11:15] <brobostigon> ok, fine, i seemed to have misinterpretated oimon's words, sorry.
[11:15] <popey> mistertim: mine is 0 :)
[11:16] <oimon> if your processor jumps to 50 momentarily, it's ok. but if it can't sort out that stuff quickly, then it is overloaded. that's why the 1,5, 15 min averages are useful
[11:16] <oimon> mistertim: i bet if you do "ps -ef | grep chromium-browser | wc -l" you will get 40
[11:16] <mistertim> popey: hah! that would be likely
[11:17] <mistertim> popey: 45. Mystery solved i think
[11:18] <mistertim> thanks a lot chaps - it may have been nothing, but i've certainly learnt a fair bit! :-)
[11:18] <oimon> mistertim: do you have a current version of chrome?
[11:18] <mistertim> oimon: nightly builds - possibly not today's though
[11:18] <mistertim> it can be a bit flaky tbh
[11:19] <mistertim> hah, killed chrome and the load av dropped like a stone
[11:19] <mistertim> only 1 running proc now
[11:19] <mistertim> i think that clears it up
[11:19] <dwatkins> magic
[11:20] <dwatkins> chrome has its own task manager, as you may know - shift+escape
[11:20] <dwatkins> (it sometimes doesn't display and you have to choose "view background pages" in the manu)
[11:20] <dwatkins> *menu
[11:20] <mistertim> dwatkins: ooh, that's very useful
[11:21] <dwatkins> it's a lot easier than running strace on the process ;)
[11:21] <popey> nice one
[11:23] <mistertim> brb reboot
[11:34]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders how on earth Gwibber made it into the default Ubuntu install - it's very unreliable and a process hog.
[11:34] <davmor2> popey: I'm wondering how accurate google latitude is are you really stood in the carpark?
[11:37] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, because there's no good mono-based twitter client to force on people!
[11:37] <dwatkins> I'm glad it's not just me that had problems with Gwibber. I thought I'd done something wrong on my install, as people seemed to be raving about it.
[11:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think hotot could be a decent replacement. It's still a bit rough around the edges but pretty good from my initial experiences.
[11:38] <oimon> gwibber is probably the buggiest software ever included on a default install
[11:38] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: it's QT thought i think..
[11:39] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: actually it's gtk2
[11:39] <popey> davmor2: on my phone it shows me inside the building, just
[11:39] <oimon> it just looks a bit out of place on my desktop!
[11:39] <Severian> Are ther any decent mono apps?  There are not any I use.  Partially, that is by design, but no mono app ever seemed like worth trying.
[11:39] <oimon> Severian: tomboy
[11:39] <popey> Tomboy, Banshee
[11:39] <oimon> docky
[11:40] <oimon> all my faves :)
[11:40] <popey> :)
[11:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - styling isn't the best, and I don't like the way it floods libnotify every time you start it with old mentions but otherwise it seems reliable and lightweight.
[11:40] <sagaci> Severian: banshee
[11:40] <Laney> all of these http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-cli-apps-team@lists.alioth.debian.org
[11:40] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: yeah, especially when the old mentions were just truncated tweets that converted oimon**** into oimon
[11:41] <popey> ooo, giver still exists?
[11:41] <Severian> I don't know docky.  I'll go read about that.  I like VLC, and I have not seen any advantage to banshee.
[11:41] <popey> banshee is a music player/manager
[11:41] <popey> vlc is (mostly) a video player
[11:41] <oimon> banshee is the only music app i've stayed with for more than 3 months after the demise of amarok 1.x
[11:41] <directhex> jesus christ, how frequently does this come up?
[11:42] <davmor2> popey: http://ubuntuone.com/p/kyW/ nope that'll be the edge of the loading bay that will :P
[11:42] <popey> banshee has some very sweet features
[11:42] <directhex> VLC AND BANSHEE ARE NOT THE SAME TYPE OF APP
[11:42] <directhex> it's like comparing EOG and GIMP
[11:42] <popey> heh
[11:42] <Severian> I use VLC for music all the time.  It is nice and simple.
[11:42] <oimon> Severian: but do you have a library of music files?
[11:42] <popey> vlc is missing great swathes of functionality that banshee has
[11:42] <directhex> vlc is a file player!
[11:43] <Severian> sure.  I have a few hundred CDs converted to ogg files.
[11:43] <oimon> does anyone know how to get banshee to view the music as a file tree, like amarok's file view?
[11:43] <popey> davmor2: maybe I like sitting in the loading bay ;D
[11:43] <Severian> directhex, right, that is one of it's best features.
[11:43] <directhex> oimon, banshee doesn't have a file approach. it runs everything from the library.
[11:43] <directhex> oimon, if you want a file tree, it's not the app for you
[11:43] <davmor2> popey: that's your story and your sticking to it right :D
[11:44] <directhex> Severian, it's a very powerful file player, but it's just a file player, and it's not the same type of app as a library player
[11:44] <oimon> directhex: was hoping for an extension .. i still catch  mrs oimon using amarok 1
[11:45] <Severian> directhex, I think I agree and that is why I use VLC.  It does the important stuff and stay out of the way with the stuff that is just distracting.
[11:45] <oimon> Severian: how do you manage playlists, and play whole albums ?
[11:46] <oimon> or find a song on a compilation somewhere
[11:46] <Severian> Each album is in a directory.  I just play the directory to play the album.
[11:46] <diplo> yeah i use VLC for that sometimes on my windows box
[11:47] <Severian> I don't have any colpilation albums.  I lump those into a various folder where the files are named by artist and song.  It seems quite simple and easy to use.
[11:47] <Severian> colpilation -> compiliation
[11:47] <davmor2> popey: you want hope you boss doesn't have latitude he'll dock you money while you're out in the carpark not working :D
[11:48]  * popey runs inside
[11:48] <directhex> Severian, and to play a specific song, rather than an album?
[11:48] <Severian> I also have an icecast server running playing a random assortment of songs.  Sometimes, I tune VLC to that.
[11:48] <Severian> To play a song, I select the song.
[11:48] <directhex> Severian, select from where?
[11:49] <oimon> Severian: we're not saying that you are doing it wrong..but there are now music library apps that take the effort out of choosing songs etc
[11:49] <Severian> I select it from the album it is in.
[11:49] <oimon> using nautilus/file browser?
[11:49] <directhex> Severian, so you need to have the track listings for indivdual albums memorised?
[11:49]  * daubers notes city link has 10 minutes to deliver stuff after failing to deliver it on saturday, and failing to have it in the depot when I arranged to collect it yesterday
[11:50] <davmor2> Severian: different people have different need I listen to music all day I don't want to have to pick the next track I want it to just play,  I have podcasts I listen to I don't want to have to go off and download each one when I have a music/podcast library tool do that for me etc etc etc
[11:50] <Severian> I am not saying I am doing it the only way.  I am just trying to understand why the "library" approach would make my life any easier or do a better job.
[11:51] <directhex> Severian, then i repeat my question. in order to play a given track you're in the mood for, you need to memorize which album it's from, to open the right folder for that file?
[11:51] <Severian> I don't listen to music all day.  Maybe, if I listened more, I would see a difference.  I mostly listen to podcasts or from one of my icecast feeds.  I have another one that streams Melvin Bragg.
[11:52] <oimon> Severian: a music library app such as banshee can present songs which are your favourites/unheard/recently added, all songs by a particular artist across all albums, song search, etc
[11:52] <Severian> directhex, yes.  But, I always know the album, anyway.
[11:52] <oimon> i still tend to listen to whole albums too
[11:52] <popey> i dont have a music collection anymore
[11:52] <popey> i use spotify
[11:52] <directhex> Severian, so you're doing the computer's job for it, then? mentally searching a mental index for arbitrary metadata?
[11:53] <directhex> wag the dog!
[11:53] <oimon> popey: what happened to the old collection?
[11:53] <popey> sat on a disk somewhere
[11:53] <davmor2> popey: yes but you're sad and loney ;)  I listen a lot to absolute 80's  fantastic channel :)
[11:53] <popey> :(
[11:54] <popey> http://www.last.fm/user/popeydc
[11:54] <oimon> i would like banshee to offer additional categories such as Sermons, Conferences, Lectures etc - it currently only offers Audiobooks which is non-editable name
[11:54] <popey> sermons!?
[11:54] <Laney> Your musical compatibility with popeydc is Medium
[11:54] <Severian> directhex, maybe so, but I always know the album.  Am I supposed to try to forget it, so I can let a computer do it.  That seems harder to do than the system I have now.
[11:54] <Laney> Music you have in common includes … Sugababes
[11:54] <Laney> \o/
[11:54] <popey> \o/
[11:54] <oimon> yes, sermons are some of the highest use of podcasting
[11:54]  * popey pushes the button
[11:55] <Severian> nothing happened, that I can see.  Push it again.
[11:55]  * oimon notes that popey listened to blue monday on a monday
[11:56] <Laney> popey was indicating that he's ready for me (boy)
[11:56] <Laney> he pushed the button to let me know
[11:56] <Laney> before i got the wrong idea and went (and he missed the freak that i control)
[11:56]  * popey did
[11:56] <Severian> Ahh.  Y'all have fun.
[11:56] <gord> is spotify in such a state yet that those of us on linux can try it without paying for it?
[11:57] <Laney> using wine, yes
[11:57] <popey> yes
[11:57] <popey> has been for ages
[11:57] <oimon> gord: ads have increased in annoyance and frequency though
[11:57] <gord> eh, don't want to rely on wine for my music listening
[11:57] <oimon> i often turn down the vol for the ads and forget to turn it up for 2 hours
[11:57] <Laney> wine or a fiver per month are your spotify options
[11:57] <popey> oimon: i have never seen/heard a sermon podcast
[11:57] <popey> woudln't want to either tbh :)
[11:58] <directhex> yay tangerine!
[11:58] <gord> i'll continue not using it then - i'm not sure what their logic is behind keeping the linux client behind a paywall
[11:58] <diplo> Laney, is the fiver a limited amount of listening still though ?
[11:58]  * directhex plays music from his desktop
[11:58] <Laney> diplo: no, a fiver is for no ads
[11:58] <Laney> "Spotify Unlimited"
[11:59] <diplo> gord, last i read up on it was they we're having issues getting the ads to work correctly in linux
[11:59] <gord> i have a hard time believing that
[11:59] <diplo> Not looked in a while but i thought they had a higher one that was unlimited and the fiver was a certain time of listening
[11:59]  * diplo reinvestigates
[11:59] <Laney> premium gives you other features
[11:59] <diplo> So do i, but that's the last thing i read about it
[11:59] <Laney> like offline and mobile
[11:59] <oimon> popey: itunes has a chart : http://www.itunescharts.net/us/charts/podcasts/2011/03/23 mars hill church is in the top 100 US podcasts
[11:59] <popey> \o/ mobile
[12:00] <popey> \o/ nice that mars hill church is well behind Ricky Gervais. That makes me happy
[12:00] <daubers> I got a spotify premium subscription, as I can now play it through the bluetooth thing in my car \o/
[12:00] <oimon> ricky is in 79th place
[12:00] <AlanBell> ivanka: o/ can you join #ubuntu-accessibility for a bit
[12:00] <popey> 9th place
[12:01] <Laney> ♥ Pilkington ♥
[12:01] <popey> ♥ Merchant ♥
[12:01] <Laney> have you listened to their old xfm shows?
[12:01] <Laney> if not, do
[12:01] <gord> ♥ banana milkshakes ♥
[12:02] <gord> why does record my desktop hate me today >:(
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> ♡ Unicode ♥
[12:02] <popey> i have an archive of them  Laney
[12:02] <Laney> good man
[12:02]  * oimon notices there is a podcast called All about Android 
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> popey: did you find any good podcasts?
[12:03] <davmor2> gord: you confused it hates you everyday just more than normal today ;)  what's up with it?
[12:03] <gord> its making 0 byte files
[12:03] <davmor2> gord: Man it really hates you
[12:04] <gord> i can see it encoding though, so that's annoying
[12:05] <gord> oh wait no, i see why. hrm. yes that would be a problem
[12:05] <gord> *deletes files so that he has more than 1byte free on his home drive*
[12:05] <davmor2> gord: I just tried it's working fine here :(
[12:06] <diplo> ah so I can't use on my mobile with unlimited
[12:06] <oimon> if i get some work done at the dentist and it gives me gip, do i get free follow up within 2 months of the work being done?
[12:06] <davmor2> oimon: is it a good podcast though?
[12:07] <oimon> davmor2: hope to find out
[12:08] <shauno> The Bugle has to be my favourite podcast.  even if it is from the times.  funny stuff :)
[12:08] <DJones> oimon: I think you do
[12:08] <oimon> \o/
[12:08] <oimon> although i always get the feeling my dentist is out for ways to earn $££ from me
[12:09] <oimon> longs for a day when his teeth aren't hurting at some point :S
[12:11] <Pendulum> oimon: I thought that's what all dentists wanted
[12:11] <AlanBell> oimon: tell the dentist about openmolar
[12:13] <oimon> AlanBell: most dentists use access on win95
[12:13] <oimon> in my experience
[12:13]  * brobostigon has ham toasties and ginger beer, :)
[12:13] <AlanBell> about time they changed then
[12:15] <DJones> oimon: But may depend how much you've paid, normally you pay about £16 for the 1st visit & another £30 for the follow up, but I think once you've paid the £46 most normal treatment within 2 months is covered
[12:16] <oimon> paid £16 + £80 for a filling
[12:16] <DJones> oimon: Gold filling?
[12:16] <oimon> no :( the gold one cost £500 on my other tooth
[12:17] <oimon> well that was a crown.
[12:17] <oimon> old age makes oimon sad
[12:17]  * DJones gets the pliers out, a £500 crown might be worth something at www.webuyyouroldgold.co.uk
[12:17] <oimon> deffo
[12:18] <oimon> she dropped it into the back of my throat when applying it. i almost swallowed as a reflex
[12:18] <oimon> not sure what would have happened then
[12:18] <DJones> Nature would take its course :)
[12:18] <oimon> but would they want to apply the same crown or get a new one?
[12:19] <oimon> i wouldn't like the idea of having a poo tooth
[12:19] <oimon> in my mouth
[12:19]  * brobostigon tunes out, as he is having lunch,
[12:19] <davmor2> oimon: £1000 for a crown :D
[12:19]  * oimon checks the CoC
[12:19] <oimon> davmor2: on the website?
[12:20] <oimon> beautiful pics http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1373277/London-s-secret-wildlife-wonderland-revealed-photographer-rose-dawn-day-capture-stunning-images.html
[12:21]  * oimon isn't a daily mail reader, but even if he was, wouldn't apologise for it
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> daily fail ;)
[12:23] <shauno> sigh.
[12:35] <davmor2> hey gord that'll be one for you.  open up idle in natty now it crashes compiz :D
[12:35] <davmor2> gord: any tcl/tk app will do idle was just the one I had installed
[12:36] <gord> davmor2, i hear that yeah
[12:37] <davmor2> gord: I think the bulk of the bugs have been pointed at unity incorrectly however :(
[12:37] <gord> thats usually the way :)
[12:37] <gord> davmor2, fixed in compiz trunk apparently
[12:38] <dwatkins> wow, X just completely hung just after logging in on 10.10, that's wierd
[12:38] <davmor2> gord: that's normally the way too :D
[12:45] <cbx33> hey all
[12:45] <cbx33> quickie for yas
[12:45] <cbx33> I want to take an ubuntu install on a laptop and put it on a desktop
[12:45] <cbx33> easiest way to do it?
[12:46] <DJones> cbx33: I would probably do a fresh install on the desktop & copy the home parition over
[12:46] <DJones> !cloning
[12:47] <DJones> And use that to replicate the packages onto the 2nd machine
[12:47] <cbx33> i need "this" install
[12:50] <shauno> do you keep backups?  just restore your latest backup onto the new machine :)
[12:50] <diplo> Shameless pimp : http://askubuntu.com/questions/33460/hp-probook-4720s-fans-running-constantly-at-full
[12:55] <cbx33> there is some very specific setup on this machine - I just want to copy the whole machine - I'll probably just format the drive - rsync the data over and reinstall grub
[12:55] <oimon> cbx33: have you ever used dd before?
[12:55] <oimon> dd will clone a drive to another one of the same size or larger.
[12:56] <cbx33> yeh - dd is an option but the drive I am copying onto is smaller
[12:56] <cbx33> which is an ass
[12:56] <cbx33> I could just resize the original
[12:56] <shauno> I'd just use tar.   tar --xattrs --selinux --one-file-system -cf - /dir | (cd /new/path; tar -xf -)   then boot the new box from a livecd to set grup up
[12:56] <cbx33> but don't really want to futz with it
[12:57] <cbx33> ahh yeh could use grub for recovering
[12:57] <cbx33> i mean live cd
[12:57] <cbx33> didn't think of that
[12:57] <shauno> assuming you've got a sensible way to mount the target drive on the current machine.  if not, you can wedge netcat in the middle of that pipeline to do it across a network
[12:57] <cbx33> yeh
[12:58] <cbx33> tar --xattrs --selinux --one-file-system -cf - /dir | (cd /new/path; tar -xf -)
[12:58] <cbx33> is that complete?
[12:58] <shauno> should be  (you'll want / for /dir tho)
[12:58] <cbx33> yah
[12:59] <cbx33> I'll need an exclude though right
[12:59] <cbx33> to exclude the mouted dest
[12:59] <shauno> --one-file-system stops it wandering off the current device  (stops it picking up devfs, proc, etc too)
[12:59] <cbx33> ahhh
[12:59] <cbx33> cool
[12:59] <cbx33> ty
[13:00] <cbx33> yeh of course
[13:00] <cbx33> forgot that one
[13:00] <shauno> or that's my understanding of --one-file-system atleast.  if you spot it trying to tar up /dev or /proc, may need to rethink ;)
[13:01] <oimon> diplo: does windows show the fan speeds?
[13:01] <cbx33> hehe
[13:01] <diplo> Nope, but it does control them
[13:01] <diplo> occasionally comes on with flash vids etc
[13:02] <shauno> cbx33: if you can mount the laptop drive on the new machine, I'd be tempted to do the whole operation from a livecd.  so you're copying /mnt/oldsystem to /mnt/newsystem, instead of picking up 'running state' cruft
[13:02] <oimon> diplo: have you run sensors-detect and also tried fancontrol?
[13:02] <cbx33> that was my intention
[13:02] <cbx33> shauno: good plan
[13:03] <diplo> Yep and yep, all it does is detect temps
[13:07] <oimon> diplo: one more, do you have stuff in /sys/class/hwmon/
[13:09] <diplo> not sure, give me a sec in win7 atm :)
[13:09] <diplo> will reboot once svn import has finished
[13:09] <diplo> :)
[13:09] <popey> with ls, is there a way to supress "ls: No match.
[13:09] <oimon> diplo: or when you have time, look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fan_Speed_Control - you mighht be able to turn off/on fans based upon self-defined criteria
[13:09] <popey> when there are no files found?
[13:10] <daubers> \o/ City Link fails again
[13:12] <diplo> rebooting
[13:12] <oimon> popey: you could redirect stderr to a file or /dev/null
[13:13] <oimon> ls missingfile 2> /dev/null
[13:14] <popey> > ls -1 *.car 2> /dev/null
[13:14] <popey> ls: No match.
[13:14] <popey> doesn't work
[13:14] <diplo> oimon,  hwmon has lot's of temp<number> files in there with name, uevent and a power/subsystem folder
[13:14] <oimon> popey: which OS?
[13:14] <popey> rhel5
[13:15] <popey> oh, wrong shell, sory
[13:15] <oimon> csh is evil
[13:15] <hoover> agreed
[13:16]  * hoover hacked away on tcsh for a long time
[13:16] <hoover> slightly less evil
[13:16] <hoover> but once bash got tab completion... ;-)
[13:16] <oimon> i think even csh got file completion on solaris eventually. would have saved me years of pain
[13:17] <hoover> yep, I think so too
[13:17] <oimon> by default, solaris used to ship with a bourne shell for root with minimal features, to discourage admins from staying logged in as root too long
[13:18] <directhex> because if root could tab complete, THE WORLD WOULD END
[13:18] <oimon> or allowed history
[13:18] <directhex> make the experience miserable. punish that sysadmin!
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> directhex: or anyone</freebsd>
[13:18] <oimon> or even had $PATH
[13:19] <directhex> oimon, solaris has always been retarded by default.
[13:19] <xwx> iphone？
[13:19] <diplo> oimon, it seems that arch page is good if it detects your fan but i get nowt/nada
[13:19] <xwx> what‘s that？
[13:20] <popey> o_O
[13:20] <oimon> diplo: ok, sorry to get the hopes up. i thought maybe you could at least siwtch it on and off manually using device control :(
[13:20] <oimon> solaris was good to learn a disciplined way before experiencing linux. although i used vim for years on linux without realising the extra stuff it could do, because i was used to years of solaris vi
[13:22] <hazrpg1> \o
[13:22] <oimon> achieved over 1000 days uptime on my solaris boxes on various occasions
[13:23] <Hazmaster> how's everyone doing :)
[13:24] <brobostigon> good afternoon Hazmaster :)
[13:25] <diplo> heh, I've close to given up anyway oimon
[13:26] <oimon> diplo: do you boot with any special kernel options? acpi ones
[13:27] <diplo> Nope, started looking into it but couldn't find anything useful at the time
[13:28] <andylockran> howdy
[13:28] <andylockran> :s
[13:30] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[13:31] <oimon> diplo: found this comment, looks scary though http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8962178&postcount=9
[13:31] <diplo> just ffound acpi_hp in manpages on ubuntu site
[13:31] <diplo> so may try both
[13:32] <diplo> ta
[13:35] <oimon> popey: how do i learn about volunteering for packaging for ubuntu? got lots of exp on rhel packaging for local repos
[13:40] <X3N> oimon: have you looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[13:41] <oimon> X3N: cheers will take a look
[13:43] <X3N> and possibly https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[13:44] <X3N> ^ which is more about the actual package contribution process rather than creating packages
[13:47] <oimon> ta
[13:47] <smittix> Afternoon All
[13:48] <smittix> I really need to stop trying to access the old app menu in natty
[13:48] <smittix> It's doing my nut in now
[13:50] <X3N> It's doing your nat in ;)
[13:57] <smittix> heh
[13:58] <Hazmaster> brobostigon: good afternoon :)
[14:00] <brobostigon> Hazmaster: good afternoon, :)
[14:03] <Hazmaster> man this keyboard is soooo tiny!
[14:03] <Hazmaster> someone remind me why netbooks are so popular again :/
[14:03] <Hazmaster> i barely use mine
[14:04] <Hazmaster> if i was ever going to use this properly i would probably have to carry a wireless/wired keyboard && mouse!
[14:04] <Pendulum> I use mine when I'm going somewhere and don't want to bring my laptop
[14:04] <gord> some of us don't want to carry a laptop around with us and don't want to use a phone
[14:04] <Pendulum> but I have small hands and don't have issues with the smaller keyboard
[14:05] <gord> you get used to netbook keyboards anyway, they are fine
[14:05] <Hazmaster> I guess but my fingers keep tring to press two keys at once >_<
[14:05] <Hazmaster> either i've got big hands, or the keys are way too tiny and too close for my likeing
[14:05] <directhex> get a stylus, use to press keys!
[14:06] <Hazmaster> directhex: sort of defeats the poitn :P
[14:06] <gord> typing is based on muscle memory, your bad at typing on a netbook really just because your pressing the inbetween parts, you expect the keys to be further away, all you need is practice and you'll be fine
[14:07] <Pendulum> My one issue with my netbook is that the trackpad is horrid
[14:12] <oimon> my issues with my netbook is that it is slow, has no touchscreen, and poor battery life, and low res screen ...yes i bought the eee 701
[14:17] <penguin42> my one issue with my netbook is that the linux drivers for the wireless on more recent Ubuntus are very touchy
[14:20] <Hazmaster> see on mine, i have the right button button as a button on the whole far right column, and left as a left column... its really weird...
[14:20] <Hazmaster> what happened the the standard two buttons at the top thing :S
[14:21] <Hazmaster> penguin42: heh, i had trouble with wireless drivers the other night when i was installing ubuntu on someone's laptop!
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> RTL is.. weird
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> at least for most of us LTR-people
[14:25] <Hazmaster> heh
[14:25] <Hazmaster> thats not quite what i mean
[14:26] <Hazmaster> i mean it has 3 columns on my mouse pad
[14:26] <Hazmaster> a wide centre-piece for moving the mouse around, and two boxes on either side thats skinny as left/right mouse buttons
[14:27] <Hazmaster> so you end up using your middle finger for moving the mouse, and thumb for left-clicks, and when you want to right-click, you have to sort of rearrange your hand around
[14:28] <shauno> you don't have a pinkie finger?
[14:28] <Hazmaster> its odd
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> four-fingered Hazmaster
[14:28] <Hazmaster> shauno: i do... but its numb most of the time
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> counts in octal :)
[14:28] <Hazmaster> can barely do much with it
[14:29] <Hazmaster> you should see me on guitar hero... i use 3 fingers for all 5 keys
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> Hazmaster: how did you end up like that? :)
[14:30] <Hazmaster> it gets insane >_< but its what i'm use to because i can't press hard enough with my pinky
[14:30] <Hazmaster> MartijnVdS: no idea, always been like that as far as i know :P
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> Hazmaster: gimpy pinky
[14:30] <Hazmaster> might just be simply lack of practice
[14:30] <smittix> Bah I am trying to add a route out on a line that has no proxy but for some reason it wont work
[14:30] <Hazmaster> and not enough pinky-cise
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> Hazmaster: http://chromercise.com/
[14:32] <shauno> or http://www.thextensor.com/  :)
[14:32] <Hazmaster> MartijnVdS: xD
[14:36] <Hazmaster> shauno: heh
[14:36] <shauno> doesn't that thing look terrifying
[14:37] <shauno> oh that's fun.  handbrake is apparently using about 680% of my cpu.  wheeeee
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> shauno: octocore?
[14:40] <shauno> quad, but with hyperthreading.
[14:41] <shauno> still trying to get the hang of how activity monitor tracks that.  on my old c2d, pegging one core was 100%, so 200% was the ceiling
[14:41] <shauno> apparently on this one, pegging one core is 200%, if you're using both threads properly.  so 800% is the ceiling
[14:41] <directhex> it's just 100% per thread.
[14:41] <directhex> but hyperthreading will never hit full utilization
[14:43] <shauno> it's going roughly 5 times as fast as my old machine, so I'm pretty happy either way :)
[14:43] <oimon> shauno: converting DVDs?
[14:43] <shauno> (based on the fps of the actual encode.  it's the results that matter)
[14:43] <shauno> oimon: just rescaling to fit my TV (the box I have under the TV is rather weak)
[14:44]  * oimon has some spare HPC clusters ..should sell out the remaining cluster time
[14:45] <shauno> I think with my paltry upload, it's faster to do it myself
[14:46] <shauno> I've been really tempted to move to 100mbit, just to get double the upstream :/
[14:51] <Hazmaster> right time to go meet peoples
[14:51] <Hazmaster> its someone's b-day, and i need to help her get her newly ubuntu box onto the internets (she's currently on windows because she couldn't work it out even though i showed her how :P)
[14:52] <Hazmaster> catch ya later guys :)
[14:52] <Hazmaster> o/
[14:52] <brobostigon> bye Hazmaster o/
[14:52] <Hazmaster> brobostigon: :) o/
[15:23] <ali1234> looks like gvfsd has a nasty memory leak
[15:28] <cbx33> grr that task i wanted to do earlier is now more complicated by the presense of LVM
[15:28] <cbx33> shauno: any ideas now :p
[15:32] <cbx33> i can create a new pv
[15:32] <cbx33> but i can't call the vg the same
[15:32] <oimon> reluctantly cancelling my subs to linux magazine :(
[15:32] <cbx33> but i could rename it afterwards
[15:33] <oimon> due to no time to read it , and cost-cutting measures enforced by much higher living costs in the last year or so :(
[15:36] <dogmatic69> oimon: lxf?
[15:37] <oimon> dogmatic69: no, the far superior (IMO) linux magazine: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Resources/Current-Issue
[15:37] <ali1234> hmm looks like it is to do with gnome-system-properties that i left running all night
[15:37] <dogmatic69> hmmm
[15:39] <dogmatic69> oimon: cheaper too
[15:39] <oimon> £40 per year..but still too much for me right now
[15:39] <dogmatic69> xlf is 53
[15:40] <dogmatic69> oimon: get a trial subscription, £3 for the next 3 months, use that time to save ;)
[15:40] <shauno> cbx33: haven't used lvm, sorry
[15:41]  * penguin42 starts his annual fight with gnucash
[15:43] <shauno> ooh, interesting solution to the england vs ireland cricket dilema.  ireland aren't being allowed in the 2015 world cup
[16:05] <oimon> oooer any doctors in the house?
[16:07]  * brobostigon goes and plays with android app inventor.
[16:12] <ali1234> ok, anyone want to try to confirm bug 751523?
[16:14] <oimon> ali1234: i can try in natty or lucid
[16:14] <oimon> not meerkat
[16:15] <ali1234> you might have to leaveit running for 12 hours or so...
[16:15] <oimon> can do that on natty then :)
[16:17] <ali1234> it doesn't seem to affect natty from my test
[16:17] <ali1234> although it's only been running for 10 minutes
[16:21] <gord> bug fixed then :)
[16:21] <oimon> \0/
[16:22] <ali1234> only half of it
[16:22] <ali1234> there's two bugs really
[16:22] <oimon>  /0\
[16:22] <ali1234> system-monitor bug merely exposes another bug in gvfsd
[16:26] <ali1234> this is very similar to the last "memory leak" i tracked down
[16:26] <ali1234> where a badly written app is spamming another app with requests, causing it to use too much memory
[16:26] <ali1234> everyone thinks it is a leak, but theres no evidence of such because the bug is actually in another app and the "leaky" app is just doing what it is told
[16:26] <oimon> mem leaks used to be few and far between in the olden days :(
[16:27] <ali1234> so the bug never gets found or fixed because triagers just say "post valgrind log" which is not useful at all in these situations
[16:27] <ali1234> looks like this bug has been floating about for a couple of years at least
[16:28] <ali1234> i never noticed it before because i've never left gsm running over night on the filesystems page before
[16:28] <oimon> ali1234 do you have any extra filesystems mounted too?
[16:29] <ali1234> sure, loads on maverick
[16:29] <oimon> e.g. mem cards
[16:29] <ali1234> all kinds of stuff
[16:29] <oimon> usb sticks
[16:29] <ali1234> but it seems to be hitting the "gphoto2" gvfs among other things
[16:29] <ali1234> everyone seems to have that
[16:29] <ali1234> under natty i have hardly anything cos its a vm
[16:30] <oimon> i wonder if it would show up on a system without non-local disks attached?
[16:30] <ali1234> i'm just starting some to see
[16:30] <oimon> maybe attacha screenshot of the filesytem tab to show mounted filesystems
[16:31] <ali1234> it probably happens faster/slower depending how many filesystems you have mounted
[16:31] <ali1234> but i bet it still happens
[16:32] <oimon> gvfsd is using little mem on my natty box atm
[16:32] <ali1234> it might not even start leaking until the xsession-errors starts filling up
[16:32] <ali1234> "leaking"
[16:33] <ali1234> !lts
[16:36] <oimon> ali1234: what does  gvfs-mount -l show on your bo
[16:36] <oimon> x
[16:37] <ali1234> http://pastebin.com/tGEPeDZL
[16:38] <oimon> mine was empty. have stuck in a USB stick
[16:38] <ali1234> on natty mine only has the natty install iso from virtualbox
[16:39] <ali1234> would be interesting to mount a ext4 filesystem or something through it like on mav
[16:43] <ali1234> knotify4 is also using 1GB of swap
[16:44] <ali1234> i bet that's related
[16:44] <oimon> ali1234: i often don't reboot for 2 months at a time and running many apps at once, plugging my phone etc, but don't see this problem
[16:44] <oimon> although i import photos mainly on my home laptop
[16:44] <ali1234> i don't use photo import
[16:45] <ali1234> i don't use any of this stuff
[16:45] <ali1234> i never had this problem until i left gnome-system-monitor running over night
[16:48] <oimon> ping me tomorrow and i'll check my resource usage after leaving it on overnight
[16:49] <ali1234> ok, i restarted gsm
[16:50] <ali1234> seems it doesn't trigger the leak until it hits the dbus limit
[16:51] <ali1234> sorry, my mistake, it actually does
[16:52] <ali1234> you do have to be on "file systems" tab to see it though
[16:52] <oimon> i am ,but don't see anything amiss
[16:52] <ali1234> then gvfsd memory use increases by about 1mb/second
[16:53] <ali1234> gonna install lucid in a minute and see if that is affected
[16:53] <ali1234> then maybe maverick
[16:53] <oimon> i'm on lucid now..hang on
[16:53] <oimon> cannot reproduce in natty
[16:54] <ali1234> the effect is very obvious in fact
[16:54] <ali1234> if you watch eg top
[16:54] <ali1234> gvfsd memory use increases by 1mb nearly every time top refreshes
[16:55] <oimon> i have watch -n 1 "ps -efl | grep gvfsd" while file systems tab open (lucid and natty)
[16:56] <oimon> lucid going upVERY slowly
[16:56] <oimon> 2197kb..2232KB
[16:57] <ali1234> which column am i looking at?
[16:57] <oimon> SZ
[16:57] <ali1234> columns aren't labelled here
[16:57] <ali1234> i just see this: 0 S al       31598     1  0  80   0 - 27905 poll_s 16:28 ?        00:00:02 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd
[16:58] <oimon> 27905
[16:58] <ali1234> top says: 31598 al        20   0  113m  43m 2044 S    0  1.1   0:02.24 gvfsd
[16:58] <ali1234> that's gone up by 2mb since i pasted it
[17:00] <ali1234> try: top -p `pidof gvfsd`
[17:00] <cbx33> guys just managed to copy the whole information to the disk
[17:01] <cbx33> but doing grub-install it's not seeming to read the config
[17:01] <cbx33> just gives me a grub prompt
[17:01] <cbx33> any ideas?
[17:01] <oimon> ali1234:  res 4396 shr 1708
[17:01] <ali1234> do a pxe install
[17:02] <ali1234> oimon: res and virt are the interesting ones
[17:02] <ali1234> half what gets allocated never gets used again so it goes directly into virt
[17:03] <ali1234> i'm now at 158m  73m
[17:03] <ali1234> ps -efl still says 41005
[17:19] <gord> i really don't like that some websites know who i am on facebook, anyone know how to get rid of that?
[17:19] <ali1234> log out of facebook
[17:19] <soneill> lol
[17:19] <ali1234> i thinkthere's a firefox extension to do it as well
[17:20] <gord> no no staying logged out seems to work, seems this machien is the only one of my machine that had "keep me logged in" checked
[17:20] <ali1234> http://superuser.com/questions/144973/blocking-facebooks-like-button-in-firefox
[17:20] <ali1234> i dunno if that wil actually stop websites from knowing you or just hide the box
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: http://www.ghostery.com/
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: that works for me
[17:41] <gord> oh - i'm wearing a tshirt from a conference today, guess its time to do the laundry
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> gord: hah, you work like that too? :)
[17:50] <ali1234> i just noticed that natty has the screen-edge-maximise behaviour copied from windows 7
[17:50] <ali1234> so i guess it's not all bad
[17:51] <ali1234> that one i actually like
[17:51] <ali1234> not sure how it will work with two monitors though
[18:03] <seeker> ali1234: On win 7 it only works on outside edges
[18:48] <Myrtti> meh
[18:59] <davmor2> alright who stole cz<tab>
[19:04] <jacobw> evening
[19:14] <BigRedS> exit
[19:14] <BigRedS> oop. wrong pane...
[19:17] <jacobw> :)
[19:19] <jonsaint> hi all. need help or advice! got a so called netbook thingy which is my cousins. its a dell inspiron mini running crappy win 7 and its got blue screen of death. how can i put ubuntu on t and wipe off win 7?
[19:20] <BigRedS> jonsaint: generally, download unetbootin, use it to make a USB key installer, then boot off it
[19:20] <BigRedS> you'll need another computer with which to do the unetbootin bit
[19:21] <jonsaint> will my pc do as thats ubuntu?
[19:21] <BigRedS> yeah
[19:21] <BigRedS> unetbootin's in the repositories
[19:21] <BigRedS> I think there's a ubuntu tool for making the instt CDs
[19:21] <jonsaint> so this unetbootin, where can i get it and is that all i will need or what as ive never done this before
[19:22] <moreati> !unetbootin
[19:23] <jonsaint> so i have to tell my memory stick to boot?? (however that happens!)
[19:24] <BigRedS> ywah, that'll be in the bios on the netbook
[19:24] <BigRedS> Usually, I think, F12 for a boot menu, then choose USB HDD
[19:24] <jonsaint> so all i need to do is put ubuntu on the stick?? do a copy/paste??
[19:24] <BigRedS>  no, you need to make it into an installer
[19:24] <BigRedS> with unetbootin, for example
[19:25] <jonsaint> where do i get that programme from?
[19:25] <jacobw> !liveusb
[19:25] <BigRedS> ah, ignore my bit, jacobw's suggestion is a better one
[19:25] <jonsaint> i found it on software centre
[19:27] <jonsaint> so once i installed that, will that convert it into a boot file then?
[19:27] <BigRedS> it'll make a usb stick into an installer, yeah
[19:27] <BigRedS> that you can boot from, as you might an installer CD
[19:28] <jonsaint> il try that. many thanks folks il give it a whirl
[19:31] <smittix> Doesn't fglrx work in natty yet?
[19:31] <BigRedS> does fglrx ever work?
[19:31] <smittix> heh
[19:32] <smittix> Installed it and ended up with a garbled unusable system until i removed the package
[19:32] <BigRedS> yeah, I think thats what it's for
[19:32] <BigRedS> :)
[19:33] <smittix> I only use it for the power management
[19:33] <smittix> Otherwise my battery lasts around 2 nano seconds
[19:35] <gord> i have read that yes fglrx works now
[19:35] <jacobw> proprietary sucks :(
[19:39] <ali1234> more importantly, does nvidia work in natty yet?
[19:40] <brobostigon> intel still gives gpu lockups/hangs.
[19:40] <moreati> ali1234: I've been using it a few days, seems okay
[19:42] <ali1234> i tried reproducing the gvfs bug in maverick and lucid vms and neither worked
[19:42] <jacobw> i've no problem with the intel card on my netbook
[19:42] <smittix> I can't seem to get FGLRX working at all :/
[19:43] <brobostigon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/715096
[19:43] <brobostigon> jacobw: that bug, is my issue.
[19:43] <ali1234> why is it incomplete?
[19:44] <brobostigon> ali1234: because i have yet to find, a kernel that actually works properly, as suggested by bryce, to test out, if it exists or is gone, or otherwise.
[19:45] <brobostigon> ali1234: or anyone for that matter, maybe.
[19:45] <ali1234> he asked you to test with a specific kernel
[19:45] <ali1234> you did it and it didn't work
[19:45] <ali1234> so mark it back to new or confirmed
[19:46] <ali1234> btw i have i945 i will test this
[19:46] <brobostigon> ali1234: ah, yes, good idea. that would help alot, getting the most information possible.
[19:49] <ali1234> how long does it normally take to get a gpu lockup?
[19:50] <brobostigon> ali1234: mins/hours/days , it is random as far as i can see.
[20:27] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] ShipIt Discontinued, Long Live LoCo Teams - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/05/shipit-discontinued-long-live-loco-teams/
[20:44] <bigcalm> What's the release date for 11.04?
[20:44] <popey> 24/4 iirc
[20:45] <bigcalm> Ta
[20:45] <bigcalm> Now give me your postal address :P
[20:45] <popey> 28/4 actually
[20:46] <bigcalm> 23 days left to iron out all them bugs. Fun
[20:52] <ali1234> ah, i reproduced gvfsd bug on natty :)
[20:53] <ali1234> and lucid
[20:53] <Myrtti> mmmm boiled candy with salmiakki powder heart, nomnomnom
[20:54] <Myrtti> also: I'm mad, I'm writing a summer job application for my nephew
[20:55] <matti> ;]
[20:55] <ali1234> and maverick, all with clean installs
[20:57] <shauno> should I be trying beta-1 or nightlies?
[20:57] <ali1234> i'm using nightlies
[20:57] <Pendulum> Myrtti: why are you writing the summer job application?
[20:59] <Myrtti> Pendulum: because my no good nephew doesn't know how to write one and he needs a summer job :-)
[20:59] <Myrtti> well, no good is an overstatement
[20:59] <Pendulum> lazy?
[20:59] <Myrtti> he's good in football and playing with PS3
[20:59] <Myrtti> I guess it goes with being 15
[21:05] <ali1234> ok, i updated instructions to reproduce on bug 751523
[21:05] <ali1234> now it can be reproduced on any of the 6 systems i tried it on
[21:06] <brobostigon> am i right in saying, AlanBell will now be managing distribution of the loco's allocated cd's?
[21:07]  * AlanBell distributed 18 today
[21:08] <AlanBell> brobostigon: if you want CDs then put your request on the plan http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/2011plan
[21:08] <AlanBell> I don't know when we will get the Natty CDs
[21:08] <brobostigon> AlanBell: natty, will be my  interest.
[21:09] <ali1234> hmm gvfsd uses 4x as much memory on 64 bit...
[21:09] <AlanBell> looks like I can fill in the form now though
[21:09] <AlanBell> * Ubuntu: PC: 250
[21:09] <AlanBell> * Kubuntu: PC: 50
[21:09] <AlanBell> * Server PC: PC: 50
[21:09] <brobostigon> ubuntu golf day, :)
[21:10] <brobostigon> AlanBell: i just read the post on jono's blog about it.
[21:11]  * AlanBell has submitted the Natty CD request
[21:12] <AlanBell> I think we should do a Kubuntu installfest, whilst all wearing blue wigs
[21:13] <brobostigon> lol
[21:13] <Pendulum> AlanBell: will it involve the Chickens too?
[21:13]  * brobostigon could get blue streaks.
[21:13] <AlanBell> Pendulum: I will of course reserve one CD for the chicken's upgrade
[21:14] <brobostigon> hehe
[21:15]  * brobostigon is getting fedup with a certain discussion on the gnome-shell mailing list.
[21:15] <AlanBell> if anyone is pondering being an ubuntu member you might want to go and lurk in #ubuntu-meeting where there is a membership board meeting underway now
[21:16]  * brobostigon graceully declines, and thanks AlanBell.
[21:24] <bigcalm> AlanBell: what does it mean to be a memeber?
[21:24] <bigcalm> -e
[21:24] <AlanBell> !member
[21:25] <shauno> well that didn't go so well.  installer couldn't find the cdrom
[21:25] <bigcalm> I have the feeling that I do bugger all
[21:26] <brobostigon> i do what i can, in the way i can. and people know my capabilties and what i have done, so at the moment, i see no need.
[21:31] <ali1234> does anyone know how dbus works internally?
[21:32] <ali1234> eg when you set a watch on something where is it stored and under what conditions does it get removed?
[21:32] <shauno> I can't figure out where I can download natty that isn't wsu.edu  :/
[21:32] <ali1234> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:32] <brobostigon> shauno: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[21:32] <shauno> tried the daily, no go
[21:33] <ali1234> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/beta-1/
[21:33] <ali1234> oh, that's a dvd
[21:33] <shauno> ah.  wasn't expecting it to be in the releases tree
[21:34] <shauno> the link off ubuntu.com was giving me 22 days :/
[21:43] <OO> Hey could anyone help me with some sound problems?
[21:44] <brobostigon> OO: good evening, could you elaborate abit more please.
[21:44] <OO> Well my computer has internal speakers and i can't get them to make any sounds
[21:45] <OO> This is the result of lspci
[21:45] <brobostigon> !pastebin
[21:46] <brobostigon> OO: please use a pastebin.
[21:46] <OO> Yeah i was just prepping it for paste.ubuntu.com ;P
[21:46] <brobostigon> :)
[21:46] <OO> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589845/
[21:47] <brobostigon> OO: pastebinit is useful, pipe lspci etc into pastebinit, and it automaticlly pastebin's its input.
[21:48] <OO> That's the name of the program?
[21:49] <brobostigon> yes.
[21:49] <brobostigon> it just saves alittle time.
[21:50] <brobostigon> OO: what does alsamixer sayabout it?
[21:50] <popey> OO: what is in /proc/asound/cards ?
[21:52] <OO> This is from ls /proc/acards/ : http://paste.ubuntu.com/589902/
[21:53] <OO> /proc/asound/cards is a text document containing the following: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589903/
[21:56] <jonsaint> hi all. managed to install ubuntu on a dell inspiron mini but unable to get wifi to work. got an exclamation mark on there. entered my details from my wifi but no joy. anyone give advice?
[21:56] <HazRPG> \o herro
[21:58] <brobostigon> noswaith dda HazRPG :)
[22:01] <HazRPG> brobostigon: \o :)
[22:01] <brobostigon> o/
[22:14] <bigcalm> Evening aquarius, welcome to the mad house :)
[22:15] <Darael> Mad house?  This isn't the mad house!  We can leave any time we want.  Besides, only /some/ of us are mad.
[22:16] <aquarius> the place where you can check out any time you like but you can never leave isn't in the UK, it's in California :)
[22:16] <bigcalm> They have a nice hotel I hear
[22:17] <bigcalm> I'm surprised you didn't join sooner. Work gone a little quiet? ;)
[22:19]  * bigcalm moshes while coding to NIN \m/
[22:20] <Pendulum> aquarius: congrats :)
[22:21] <bigcalm> MySQL question: records have start and end date fields. I need a query that will select records that start, end or completely overlap a given date window. The start and end dates within the date window is easy and working. Stuck on the complete overlap, any ideas?
[22:22] <aquarius> Pendulum, thanks
[22:23] <Pendulum> aquarius: still not sure why it took you longer than it took me, though :P
[22:23] <aquarius> bigcalm, more that I keep meaning to and forgetting, and I was reminded and thought: I should just tick "auto-join", shouldn't I?
[22:23] <aquarius> Pendulum, ah, well, I've gotta prove myself
[22:23] <bigcalm> aquarius: aha :)
[22:23] <Pendulum> hah
[22:24] <bigcalm> aquarius: I saw jono in #lugradio the other day. He muttered something about getting the lads together in the summer. Any news? :D
[22:25]  * bigcalm realises that asking this is akin to asking when oggcamp will be ;)
[22:31] <popey> hah
[22:31]  * bigcalm tickles popey
[22:33] <AlanBell> o/ aquarius
[22:33] <aquarius> hey AlanBell. Thanks for your testimonial!
[22:34] <aquarius> bigcalm, that sort of question is 3% dependent on what I think and 97% dependent on when el Baconio is actually in perfidious Albion :)
[22:34] <bigcalm> :)
[22:34] <bigcalm> Damn it, I want bacon now
[22:35] <bigcalm> No, not Jono :P
[22:37] <bigcalm> I have to say, NIN really does work nicely for coding
[22:37] <bigcalm> Suits my mood due to sql ticking me off
[22:48] <MasterComputer> Anyone alive? I've got a worrying issue here. Anyone know phillw?
[22:49] <Pendulum> MasterComputer: no one AFAIK knows him in person and he doesn't hang out here
[22:49] <Pendulum> but I also don't know anyone who has seen him around for at least a week on IRC, I think either
[22:49] <Pendulum> (I think my last e-mail from him was about a week ago)
[22:50] <MasterComputer> Pendulum: This is highly worrying, he's gone AWOL, I have no idea what's happened to him. I'm trying to find someone local to him to check up on him.
[22:52] <Pendulum> MasterComputer: yeah, he didn't hang out in #ubuntu-uk at all. I know generally where in the UK he is, but not specifics
[22:52] <MasterComputer> What was his usual hangout, Pendulum?
[22:53] <Pendulum> MasterComputer: I think #ubuntu-beginners for a while. and probably whatever the lubuntu channel is
[22:53] <MasterComputer> Thank you, Pendulum; I'll check there.
[22:56] <shauno> :/ Beta1 can't find my cdrom either
[22:58] <Guest> Hey brobostigon and popey, i resolved my sound problems by installing gnome's alsa mixer and unticker Master Mixer (which was ticked to mute). This was something I couldn't access from LXDE's volume control. Sound works now :)
[22:58] <Guest> Thanks for the help you two gave me :)
[22:59] <brobostigon> :)
[22:59] <brobostigon> Guest: you're welcome.
[23:00] <Guest> I was OO, btw
[23:00] <Guest> That nicks currently unavailable for some unknown reason lol
[23:00] <brobostigon> 22:56:47 -!- Guest [~OO@unaffiliated/oo] has joined #ubuntu-uk
[23:00] <brobostigon> i could tell, :)
[23:01] <bigcalm> guest: you could /msg nickserv ghost oo
[23:01] <bigcalm> Oh, it isn't active
[23:01] <brobostigon> i just checked, the nick OO is still logged in.
[23:01]  * bigcalm shrugs, smiles and returns to MySQL
[23:02] <brobostigon> it is showing as connedted to freenode but no channels.
[23:02] <brobostigon> anyway, i need sleep,
[23:02] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[23:02] <shauno> Is there any way to tell d-i what device the disk is on?
[23:02] <Guest> Night night
[23:03] <brobostigon> night Guest.
[23:03] <brobostigon> shauno: d-i ?
[23:03] <shauno> the installer
[23:04] <brobostigon> ubiquity?
[23:04] <brobostigon> !info ubiquity
[23:04] <AlanBell> d-i is debian installer on the alternate CD
[23:04] <brobostigon> i was just going to ask.
[23:04] <shauno> Text based, can't launch the livecd without being able to find disk either
[23:05] <shauno> Sorry, thumbing away at phone do not so snappy responses
[23:05] <brobostigon> shauno: i would go to serperate terminal and run fdisk -l and or df -h -T
[23:05] <AlanBell> do you have a particularly strange configuration shauno?
[23:05] <shauno> I can find it, it's /dev/sg0
[23:05] <Guest> Ah no bos i said night night because i thought you were going to bed :P
[23:06] <AlanBell> or a really really old/new/odd CD drive?
[23:06] <brobostigon> Guest: i was, untill shauno'squestion came up.
[23:06] <shauno> Week-old MacBook pro. Only oddity I can tell with drive is that dvdrw is sata too
[23:06] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[23:07] <brobostigon> night Guest :)
[23:07] <Guest> nighty
[23:07] <bigcalm> Good night brobostigon
[23:07] <brobostigon> night bigcalm
[23:07] <Guest> :)
[23:07] <brobostigon> :)
[23:10] <AlanBell> shauno: ah, new *and* odd
[23:10] <shauno> Oh that's odd. Mount /dev/sg0 says it's not a block device
[23:10] <AlanBell> that will be similar to an issue popey had
[23:10] <AlanBell> kernel bug
[23:11] <AlanBell> it is initialising the CD incorrectly in some way
[23:11] <shauno> Awesome. No mention on wiki :(
[23:11] <AlanBell> I think his issue was with the hard drive controller though
[23:12] <popey> hmm?
[23:12] <AlanBell> new macbook pro not recognising the CD drive when the kernel starts actually trying to drive it
[23:13] <popey> nope
[23:13] <popey> not recognising the sata controller
[23:13] <popey> so can't see hdd
[23:13] <shauno> I 'seem' to have a hdd, based on /dev/sda1 & 2 existing
[23:13] <shauno> no 'file' in busybox so couldn't tell much better than that
[23:19] <shauno> hm, no mention at all in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-1/Natty or the forum thread it points to :(
[23:31] <shauno> photos of screen = screenshot ftw.
[23:35] <Guest> Anyone had anyluck running flux?
[23:36] <Guest> It wont change my computers brightness
[23:36] <bigcalm> guest: I've tried it in Windows and Ubuntu, sadly it makes me ill
[23:37] <Guest> I can't do without it, my eyes are actually hurting at the moment :(
[23:37] <Guest> Why does it make you ill?
[23:37] <bigcalm> That I don't know
[23:37] <Guest> Nausic?
[23:37] <bigcalm> Make me feel sick, akin to motion sickness
[23:37] <bigcalm> Yep
[23:37] <Guest> Maybe you've got sensitive eyes
[23:38] <bigcalm> Every girl I've dated has said I have nice eyes ;)
[23:39] <Guest> :D Not to sure why flux isn't working, terminal output tells me nothing
[23:39] <Guest> And damn, vlc looks ugly in lxde
[23:40] <shauno> okay, the sata controller appears to be alive.  I can mount /dev/sda1, but /dev/sg0 isn't a block device
[23:40] <Guest> Ah i see, vlc uses qt wheras lxde is best suited for gtk+
[23:42] <shauno> so it doesn't appear to be 576601; their suggestion to use nomodeset makes no difference, and sda seems sensible
[23:44] <popey> shauno: mine is a 7,1 not an 8,1
[23:45] <directhex> hm, kindle is debian-based. i didn't know that.
[23:45] <popey> it is!?
[23:45] <bigcalm> Isn't everything these days?
[23:47] <shauno> is there a way to find out what driver is attached to something in /dev/?
[23:48] <shauno> sg0 is 21,0 which is correct, but not answering as a block device is well funky
[23:49] <Guest> Strange request: Can anyone recommend a wallpaper?
[23:50] <directhex> Guest, this: http://sadpanda.us/images/188309-HO1SXX9.jpg
[23:50] <bigcalm> guest: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/sets/72057594070877691/
[23:51] <bigcalm> directhex: nice
[23:52] <DasEi> Guest: do your own with digicam
[23:52] <bigcalm> Looking at those photos makes me want to get out with my camera again and add to the collection
[23:53] <DasEi> shauno: hwinfo -v , or look through lsmod
[23:57] <bigcalm> Slumber time, night all
[23:57] <shauno> neither appear to be in initramfs :/