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DammitJimwhat can I use to compare the contents of 2 directories (recursively)?03:27
munzDammitJim,  diff?03:43
DammitJimthanks, got it!03:44
munzno prob... what did u use?03:44
DammitJimI had used diff03:45
DammitJimbut I couldn't belive my eyes when it printed so much stuff03:45
DammitJimnow I find out that cp or rsync were having problems with files in the same directory with the same name, but different case03:45
munzohhhh ok03:46
munzok, i have a weird bug... i've had it for a bit and been ignoring it.05:46
munzif i leave firefox maximized, and my computer locks the screen, when i unlock it,05:47
munzif i type in to the search it will keep highlighting the text after like 1 or 2 charters05:48
munzsooo if i type any more it replaces the text..05:48
munzif i minimize it and restore it it works right05:49
munzany ideas..05:49
munzoh.. 10.10 and ff 3.6.1505:50
munzanyone around?05:50
munzactually... this is reproduced on 4 different systems one is 10.04 others 10.1005:52
reya276Morning Everyone13:45
munz_werk_mornin reya276 13:47
DammitJimmorning14:11
reya276a very good article http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3929866/Problems-Linux-Enthusiasts-Refuse-to-Address.htm14:20
reya276and I think that guy is on to something which I myself have been trying to promote. Windows and OSX users in general are idiots (no-offense). And if we want to get those users to switch over we have to make things as easy as possible means (GUI) and Marketing(lots of it)14:23
reya276in Ubuntu repositories there is nearly an application substitute for everything that 90% of those users need and if not their is an actual Linux version if those apps, so what is the problem?14:24
reya276Its called NO MARKETING STRATEGY14:25
reya276Ubuntu is on to something now, with the way they are focusing on it. Now they are providing good tech along with good marketing, but what we need is Viral Marketing and only we can provide that14:26
reya276And we have sooooo many outlets to provide this on that it is laughable14:27
zoopsterI don't think it's that simple, reya27614:29
zoopsterA commenter basically stated the problem14:29
zoopsterit's predatory, monopolistic practices employed by microsoft14:29
zoopsterwhen linux vendors strike deals with big box companies, they are blackmailed into submission14:30
DammitJimI'd be the last one to say that it's hard to convince someone to use a linux machine when they are used to Office 200714:31
zoopsterDammitJim: what do you mean?14:32
DammitJimI say last because the first will be last and the last will be first ;)14:32
zoopsterthe reason I ask is I've never used office 200714:33
DammitJimopenoffice isn't "pretty enough" that's what my wife said14:33
reya276Ubuntu has already started this. The issue is that you have these jealous Linux users or those of whom love their CLI and now that Ubuntu has opted to provide more Windows like experience while still maintaining better security14:33
reya276and those other aspects of Linux. And all I've been hearing is all this noise on how they are going to switch, so let them who cares. They want to be stuck in the 90's and early 2000 then so be it. But it can be done and Ubuntu is trying to do it all it needs is our support14:33
DammitJimbut that's not a linux problem.. that's an openoffice problem... oh, and the fact that she can't edit pptx files14:34
reya276zoopster, to some extend you are right, but MS can't black mail you right...because you are devoted to a cause. Marking matters14:34
zoopsteragreed, but the biggest marketing problem at present is availability14:35
zoopsteraccording to that article14:35
zoopsterand I believe that to be the case14:35
reya276so yes on the Big Box level no Linux can't and probably will never get the same exposure say like on TV or radio or on Big Box vendor websites, but we can still make this thing Viral and that is what I'm talking about14:36
reya276but you are forgetting that most people live glued on to their PC's and TV has at some level become a secondary thing.14:37
DammitJimreya276, are you saying that exposure on TV can't be there because there is no funding for it? or am I missing your point?14:37
reya276We the community have to make it happen and to some extend we have, but now is the time to do it because Ubuntu has actually moved on to present day eye-candy status and believe me when I tell you most users whom are not power users love eye-candy and being able to point-click and done.14:41
reya276and 11.04 has finally gotten to that Level. Yes there will be some hardware issue along the way but in tutorials and software/HW support channels we have to make it a priority to state it, you don't go buying a Toshiba PC and spec Ubuntu to work 100% out of the box, for that you get a Dell. So what I mean is we have to look at the numbers.14:41
reya276Which brand of PCs does Ubuntu works out of the box with and with very minor issues.14:42
reya276once we figure that out, we can actually start advertising ourselves and letting the new Windows/OSX users in order for Ubutu to work out of the Box you Need XYZ period. Apple does it and their users are just fine with it right14:43
reya276forget about the existing Linux users they already know what the deal is, the focus needs to be on New and only New users14:44
reya276in fact most of these so-called Ubuntu followers are jumping ship because they don't like the existing version is too much point-click for them...trust me I've read about this junk all day yesterday.14:45
reya276sorry the upcoming version 11.0414:45
DammitJimreya276, dude, calm down... you are right, you've read too much junk yesterday14:46
DammitJim:D14:46
mhall119morning14:46
DammitJimbut after all you've typed, what are you suggesting we do? 2 or 3 specific action points14:46
DammitJimhey mhall119 14:46
reya276DammitJim, I am calm just merely making a point14:46
DammitJimreya276, I guess I meant calm the typing down LOL14:47
reya276sure....14:48
DammitJimman, I hope I didn't piss of reya27614:52
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zoopsterwell crap reya left15:46
zoopsterdammit DammitJim15:46
DammitJimyup, you got it, zoopster 15:46
DammitJimhave you guys used google cloud print?17:35
* crashsystems wants to play with cloud print for fun n' profit17:39
DammitJimLinux support coming soon? WTH?17:40
crashsystemsbtw dantalizing, zoopster and anyone else with a nexus: http://www.whispersys.com/whispercore.html17:49
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* maxolasersquad Wants to play with cloud print as soon as Google support Linux.18:10
DammitJimI guess for now It's going to be just print through VPN18:11
crashsystemsI'll be amused if someone finds a way to force other people's printers to print random stuff.18:12
crashsystemsanalog spam FTL18:12
maxolasersquadI wish there was a way I could disconnect my GMail from my other Google service, authentication-wise.18:14
maxolasersquadSo if someone hacks any of my other Google services, my GMail is not touched.18:14
crashsystemsyou could set up a google apps account for your domain, and deactivate all other services.18:15
crashsystemsI just wish there was a desktop/phone email interface I liked, along with an email server that had easy maintenance.18:15
DammitJimman, why is it so hard to get A2DP support on linux?!18:30
DammitJimdantalizing, do you have boxee on a pc?22:04

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