/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/05/#ubuntu-us-mi.txt

jcastrohey krondor00:06
jcastroI am stuck rotating clockwise, I think I must have jarred something loose00:06
greg-gw00t, just finished install mediawiki! :)01:15
greg-gwasn't that bad, really, only like 10 minutes, after the hours of trying to get Natty running in virtualbox ;)01:16
brouschhours?01:37
greg-gbrousch: well, mostly just first downloading the 64bit version of natty, remembering that virtualbox can only do 32bit guests so downloading that version, that took over an hour and a half in and of itself ;)01:42
jjessevirtual box can do 64-bit vms01:42
jjesseif you have virtualziation enabled01:42
greg-goh well01:47
snap-land you need to be runningg a 64bit host01:59
greg-gyeah, I am on a 64bit host02:06
nixternalhttp://main.diabetes.org/site/TR/TourdeCure/ChicagoNorthernILArea?px=5915330&pg=personal&fr_id=7587   -- come on geeks, donate to the fight! don't let broke cyclists show up the geeks :p02:09
nixternalfrack, wrong channel02:09
nixternalctrl+p02:09
nixternalkeep forgetting i put this channel prior to chicago lug and ubuntu chicago02:09
snap-lPthhpt02:16
snap-lAS it should be. ;)02:16
greg-ghuh, "bitch" gave $2502:16
nixternalhaha, my buddy jess02:20
nixternalthough, it should say i have raised $100, but it only says $75 right now :/  kubuntu donated $2502:21
nixternalnow it says $10002:21
nixternalrock on, frackin' all stars. i am going to show the team captain up02:22
greg-ghah02:22
krondorJCastro: my part should come in tomorrow, let me know if you find the problem02:48
greg-gguess who has two thumbs and couldn't sleep so he got up to do work?05:13
greg-gthus guy05:13
greg-gheh, "this"05:13
Blazeixwoo, 12:20 party!05:20
greg-g:)05:21
Blazeixgreg-g: geez, you missed it.05:23
Blazeixit was a glorious minute.05:23
greg-gBlazeix: next time ;)05:30
BlazeixYeah, it was a somewhat disappointing turnout :/05:31
nixternalmuch better working this late. i work from 11pm until 4am, wake up at 10, work until noon or 1pm, then go out and ride until 6pm, shower, and start all over. far more productive that way06:10
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snap-l!openmetalcast Episode 18 will rock you. No, really, that's the title of the episode. Seriously, check it out. http://ur1.ca/3s22y13:36
rick_h__woooo13:36
snap-l:)13:36
brouschall queen?13:37
snap-lIf they decided to release the entire back-catalog as  CC-licensed stuff, I'd consider it.13:38
rick_h__kind of cool: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/reviews/2011/04/toshibas-mobile-lcd-monitor-a-second-screen-for-road-warriors.ars?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+Featured+Content%29&utm_content=Google+Reader13:48
rick_h__bah, sry for crap url13:48
brouschrick_h__: did you see the bookie logo i put up yesterday in #bookie?14:13
snap-lGood morning, gentle folk14:15
jjessehello14:15
snap-lSomething is not happy in chrome-town14:15
brouschon your unity system?14:16
snap-lOn my normal system14:16
snap-lAll of the extensions are crashing14:17
snap-lDamnit, I was afraid of that14:24
snap-lreboot fixed it14:24
snap-lwhich means there's something else afoot to make the machine unstable14:25
rick_h__ruh roh14:26
brouschblame windows14:30
jjessechrome was frozen for me as well this morning, though on windows 7 64-bit14:30
snap-lWell, it wasn't even loading the extensions14:32
Blazeixrick_h__: did you know that you're in google's autocomplete suggestions now?15:33
Blazeixif you type 'mitechie' it suggests 'mitechie github'15:33
brouschdaaaaaaaamn, you hit the big time!15:35
snap-lyou sure it's not just your autocomplete?15:37
Blazeixpretty sure, I logged out and it still worked15:38
BlazeixI also was over a VPN, so I don't think it's location-based15:38
brouschworks for me15:39
snap-lThat's cool!15:39
snap-lThere's still some carnigie mellon dude taking over the first result for Craig Maloney15:41
jjessei get mitecie and mitechie github in my suggestions15:41
greg-gI get mitechie vim :)15:42
greg-g(logged in)15:42
greg-g(must have been a past search, I get the mitechie github when using another browser)15:42
wolfgerI type "mitechie<space>" and it suggests "mitechie com" and "mitechie github"15:46
jjessethats what i get15:47
wolfgerwhen I type "snap-l" it suggests "snap-lock systems" and a bunch of other rubbish.15:49
wolfgerSo I guess we know which half of the lococast is famous, and which is the hanger-on. :-)15:50
greg-gyeah, and good luck with "greg"15:50
snap-lwolfger: I'm fully aware that I'll just be the pool-boy when rick_h__ gets his island nation from all of the lococast fallout. ;)15:51
brouschthe poolboy gets all the chicks15:53
greg-gsnap-l wearing a speedo..... *shudders*15:53
snap-lgreg-g: It's as bad as it seems. ;)15:54
snap-lI wear a speedo like a whale wears an innertube15:56
Blazeixnext topic15:57
greg-glol15:58
wolfgerwell at least it's not "like a narwhal wears an innertube"15:59
* wolfger pauses while the meaning sinks in and the mental images form...16:00
brouschperhaps the most disturbing thing is that he's actually tried wearing one16:05
brouschug, i always forget how long it takes to type up a real blog post. twitter and buzz have spoiled me16:23
ColonelPanic001heh16:26
snap-lbrousch: Rest assuered, I've not tried to wear one16:33
jcastrohttps://twitter.com/#!/1990sLinuxUser16:33
snap-lI've seen greater men try and fail miserably.16:33
jcastroOMG!16:33
snap-ljcastro: Too bad 1990sLinuxUser isn't on identi.ca16:35
snap-lor would it go unnoticed? ;)16:35
jrwreni love 1990s linux user.16:40
jcastrono, that guy would be like "what's wrong with .plan files?"16:40
jrwreni've resisted following becuase i see so many retweets.16:40
brouschouch http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/01/ubuntu1004_beta_review/16:51
brouschheh, the title is the wrong version16:52
brouschit is 11.04 bashfest16:52
rick_h__Blazeix: cool thanks for the heads up. Glad I went with the non-real name now. Only took years to get it built up16:53
rick_h__snap-l: hah, on the lococast island. It's like a startup without a business plan16:54
rick_h__"someone buy me out pls!"16:54
wolfger"Eventually, come Ubuntu 13.04 or so, Unity will seem like a brilliant move, but the transition is going to be bumpy."16:56
snap-lAnd someone just realized what LTS really means.16:57
wolfgerSo does that mean KDE4 will seem like a brilliant move one of these days?16:57
jcastroso really16:57
jcastrothe guy complains about not having panel applets16:57
wolfgerMaybe I should try KDE4 again...16:57
jcastroand configuring the launcher16:57
rick_h__this one is my fav jcastro https://twitter.com/#!/1990sLinuxUser/status/5489545866077798516:57
jcastrosurely, worst, ever.16:57
snap-ljcastro: Get ready for the backlash16:58
snap-lit's 1990 all over again. ;)16:58
rick_h__it's KDE4 all over16:58
snap-l"We demands our perfection out of the box"16:58
wolfgersnap-l: Well, yeah. Shouldn't users expect/demand that?16:59
snap-lI need to be able to put wanda up in my panel, or I'm going to scream bloody murder from my parents basement16:59
rick_h__ok, this is april 1st?16:59
snap-lrick_h__: ?16:59
wolfgerLinux will never conquer the desktop as long as distros release with the expectation that users will help them iron out the bugs. Which is what KDE4 (and now Unity) did.17:00
snap-lwolfger: IT'S A DEVELOPER RELEASE!17:00
jjessewolfger kde4 is much better17:01
wolfgerLOL17:01
jjesseyou shhould give it a try17:01
wolfgerIt's a developer release that distros are putting out as a finished product.17:01
snap-lSeriously, if you decide to put Unity on your non-developer's machine, you deserve all of the pushback you'll receive17:01
wolfgerOr are you arguing that all the bugs will be gone by the end of the month?17:01
wolfger23 days17:02
wolfgerIn 23 days, it's no longer "a developer's release"17:02
snap-lwolfger: I'm arguing that if you're not willing to pony up and help fix or send in bug reports, you are welcome to get shit for it17:02
snap-lwolfger: Bull17:02
wolfgerIt's the default interface intended for Aunt Marge at that point17:02
snap-lAnything that isn't a LTS is a developers release.17:03
wolfgersnap-l: bull17:03
rick_h__yea, that's a little bull there17:03
wolfgerLTS is intended for businesses17:03
snap-lI need a referee over here17:03
jjesseor not developers17:03
rick_h__I'm sorry, but if you go to the homepage and it says "download this now" up front...it's not a dev release17:03
rick_h__it's a release release17:03
jjessedidn't ted gould on twitter argue this17:03
jjessethat LTS should be for users and the rolling release be for devs?17:04
wolfgerwould be nice to have a rolling release...17:04
rick_h__lol17:04
rick_h__let's not go there17:04
jjessesorry 6 month release17:04
rick_h__or you'll get accused of being an arch hippie17:04
rick_h__:P brousch17:04
rick_h__or sorry, was nixternal_17:05
wolfgerI vote we move to only releasing LTS every 18 months, and the ambitious can get 18 months of alpha/beta17:05
wolfgereffectively rolling release at that point17:05
snap-lregardless (man, do I know how to open a can of worms)17:05
snap-lI think Unity will be baked by the end of this month17:05
brouschrick_h__: actually it was me and nixternal_ agreeing ;)17:06
snap-land if not, I hope Canonical has the fortitude to pull back17:06
wolfgersnap-l: I think you are dreaming on both counts17:06
snap-land I really, really hope that people give it a chance17:06
rick_h__:) baked with a soft chewy not quite done center17:06
snap-lwolfger: Maybe I am17:07
jjessewasn't there a recent post on planet.ubuntu.com on how they should be focusing on gnome classic or whatever it is called or a lot of people will move elsewhere when they can't get that to work cause they don't like unity?17:07
wolfgerCanonical is really showing its bull-headedness this past year17:07
brouschi was surprised with how usable unity is right now17:08
brouschit has some annoyances, but it is usable17:08
brouschi think it will be better than gnome17:08
wolfgerbrousch: aside from frequent crashes, I actually don't mind it much17:08
rick_h__that's the thing to recall, it's not like gnome is treating it any better17:08
brouschwolfger: i don't think there were any crashes on sunday. it was weird17:09
snap-lI had a little oddness on my netbook, but that's about it17:09
snap-land in a VM, it's a little wonky17:09
wolfgerI haven't used Unity in about 2 weeks. I got sick of it and moved back to classic17:09
snap-lUNity2d is not quite as baked as Unity3D, imho17:09
snap-lwolfger: Don't be *that guy*17:09
snap-lPress onward!17:10
wolfgersnap-l: Like I care? :-)17:10
snap-lThere's a lot of development still going on17:10
brouschi predict wolfger will move to stodgy old opensuse17:10
wolfgerseriously, after the release it's not like I'll use Gnome *or* Unity17:10
snap-lWell, I loved that too17:10
brouschbecome crusty17:10
snap-lRyan from Ars was distro-hopping trying to get GNOME3 to work17:10
wolfgerbrousch: I've tried to like OpenSuse, but I always fail.17:11
snap-lwolfger: Yeah, you won't have as many clocks to run.;)17:11
snap-lwolfger: only ONE clock, and it's in the corner17:11
brouschlunch time. i predict i will come back to 300 new messages in this channel17:11
wolfgeragain, the obsession with clocks. Is that all you Gnome people ever think about?17:11
snap-lonly when we want to really piss off the KDE folks. ;)17:13
snap-lImperial March just came on the stero.17:15
wolfgerWhich radio station is that? :-)17:15
jrwrenif you want to stick with LTS, stick with LTS.17:15
jrwrenI love the 6mo cycle of ubuntu.17:15
snap-lwolfger: Random album shuffle w/ Banshee17:16
wolfgerjrwren: why do you love it?17:16
wolfgersnap-l: that's disappointing. I was hoping there was something worth tuning in to in my car. :-p17:16
jcastrooh man I missed the whole argument17:17
wolfgerslacker17:17
rick_h__I love it as well, but I'm still on lucid with my 3 machines17:18
nixternal_rick_h__: arch ftl recently. the high school kids aren't doing that great of a job right now maintaining it17:18
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jcastronixternal: hahahaha17:18
jrwreni love it because I get new bits ever 6mo that follows the gtk & gnome release cycle and mono too.17:18
jcastrook what did I miss, who hated what?17:18
jrwrenjcastro: ignore them, a couple trouble makers talking nonsense17:19
jcastroI am sad, rick_h__ didn't flame me much on sunday. :(17:19
wolfgerjcastro:http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/17:19
jrwreni'm on all natty now.17:19
jrwrenin fact, i'm going to recommend moving my work server.17:19
rick_h__jcastro: hey, I think I've been very good, did the fair interview, being kind of niec :)17:19
jrwrenalthough it might be LTS17:20
nixternalquick poll: am I the only one in here that kind of digs unity?17:20
snap-lnixternal: I like Unity17:20
jrwrenjcastro: we didn't smoke either.17:20
rick_h__nixternal: yes, you're a very lonely man17:20
jrwreni love unity.17:20
snap-lI'd like some more customization, but overall I'm happy with it.17:20
jrwreni showed coworkers. i really talked it up.17:20
jrwreni do find myself saying "just like mac" a lot17:20
wolfgernixternal: I would like it except for the way it stole the menu bar off the windows and moved it to the top of the screen. That's really sucky.17:20
jrwrenlack of discoverability of system prefs is the biggest deal IMO17:21
jcastrojrwren: it's in the power menu17:21
jcastrofor some reason17:21
rick_h__well I think discoverability is a big thing17:21
jcastroimo it would be in the me menu, the one that says Jay Wren17:21
rick_h__a lot of the answers out of Sunday were "there's a key binding for that"17:21
wolfgerjrwren: I just chalked lack of system prefs up to "it's gnome" :-p17:21
jrwrenjcastro: that makes a lot of sense.17:21
jcastrorick_h__: oh so I asked around, there will indeed be videos and intro docs and stuff, I just didn't know about  that17:22
rick_h__jcastro: cool, good idea17:22
jcastroI find it funny that people whine more about prefs than you know .... getting work done17:23
jcastro"If I can't change the background of the panel then FUCK THIS."17:23
jrwrenits more KB/Mouse prefs. its hard to get work done when all the prefs you alawys use aren't there.17:24
snap-ljcastro: I have to say, the "power menu" is both a blessing and a curse17:24
jrwrenfirst thing I did was build monodevelop because that is hwo I "get work done" :)17:24
rick_h__ok jcastro, that's a bit unfair considering the whole "let's make it pretty!" vs you know...getting work done :)17:24
snap-lit's part gnome-do, and part obfuscation17:24
jcastrorick_h__: let's be pretty is a side effect17:25
snap-lHonestly, even if Unity had a "preferences" widget, that would be a huge improvement17:26
jcastrowe could have made a prefs widget on sunday with a few hackers17:27
jcastrorick_h__: bookie looks sweet btw, surprised no one had ever used that name before17:27
snap-lhttp://www.downloadatoz.com/resources/201103/24/imgs/mac-os-x-capture_500x313.jpg17:28
snap-ljcastro: How would you change the defaults like that?17:28
rick_h__jcastro: cool, yea I did a search for it and didn't run into anything17:28
snap-lI'm thinking just something like System Settings / keep in launcher17:28
jcastrosnap-l: we do it with ccsm, one just needs to make a nice UI on top of it17:28
jcastrooh do you mean for the launcher itself or for the entire system?17:29
jrwrenkeep in launcher is alreayd there? or are we talking different things.17:29
snap-lI mean for the launcher itself17:29
snap-lscreenshot time17:29
snap-lhttp://ubuntuone.com/p/l19/17:31
jrwrensnap-l: EXACTLY!17:32
snap-lYou've promoted the Ubuntu store, and U1; why not promote the settings?17:32
wolfgerjcastro: If "let's be pretty" was really a side effect of "get work done" as you say, then I think Awesome WM would be the prettiest desktop in the world.17:33
jcastroright17:33
jcastroof course17:33
wolfgerbut clearly, that's an incorrect correlation17:33
jcastrotiling window managers for people17:33
wolfgercontradiction in terms :-)17:34
rick_h__lol17:34
snap-lhey, hey (*snap* *snap*), I'm making an important point here17:34
wolfgeralso, not enough clocks. (or so snap-l says)17:34
wolfgerOh, right. Snap-l did make an important point that was lost in the banter...17:35
snap-ljcastro: http://ubuntuone.com/p/l19/17:36
jcastrosnap-l: top right corner "system settings"17:37
snap-lno17:37
snap-lThat's buried17:37
jcastrook so add it there?17:38
rick_h__it should be an icon on the desktop in the middle of the wallpaper17:38
rick_h__like coming through the light beams!17:38
snap-lwhy would you put that under a power symbol?17:38
jcastrodunno, I think it should be in the me menu17:38
jcastrobut still, it's in a top level menu17:38
jcastrothe launcher is for apps17:38
snap-lAnd system settings is an app17:39
jcastroyou really think that putting a shortcut to configure your computer is something that belongs on the launcher?17:39
snap-lYou could make the same case for "Find files"17:39
snap-lYes17:39
jcastroyou know, for when you want to change your hostname!17:39
snap-ltry i17:39
snap-lt17:39
snap-lI bet more people will stop bitching17:40
snap-lEven Apple puts it on the dock17:40
snap-land on the home screen of iOS17:40
snap-lIt's not discoverable until you want to power down the machine17:41
snap-lor lock the screen17:41
snap-lWhat's the first thing you do with a new computer? Open up Word? Start up a browser?17:42
snap-lMaybe, but I'll put money that in the top three things you do with ANY computer is personalize it17:42
snap-l"Hey, how do I change the screensaver?" "Hey, how do I change the background?" "How do I change the theme?"17:44
rick_h__first thing I do: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/276/17:44
snap-lrick_h__: Personalize.17:45
jcastro12:42 <snap-l> What's the first thing you do with a new computer? Open up Word? Start up a browser?17:45
jcastro^^^ Yes, I fire up the browser17:45
jcastrosure those things are nice, I just think you're overinflating it's importance17:45
snap-ljcastro: But I'll bet that the third thing you do is try to customize it17:46
snap-ljcastro: I'm not17:46
snap-lMark my words, you'll get flamed for leaving it in the power menu17:46
jcastroright17:46
jcastroI know that17:46
snap-land you'll have to tell EVERYONE where the settings are17:46
snap-land it's a _simple fix_17:46
jcastroif you want17:47
jcastrowe can put unity on jill's computer17:47
jcastroand then we'll blind time it17:47
jcastroand see when she asks how she can customize the launcher17:47
jcastroI'll get the spare bedroom ready17:47
snap-lIf you want, we can do the same with JoDee17:47
wolfgerjcastro: Seriously? It's under the power menu??!? I only go there when I'm shutting down.17:47
snap-lwolfger: ++17:47
jcastrowolfger: yeah, I don't like it there17:47
wolfgerThat is, if I don't simply type "sudo reboot" in my open term window, which I do most of the time17:48
wolfgerbecause it's quicker17:48
jcastroright17:48
jcastrothat's what I do17:48
jcastroor, just close the lid17:49
wolfgerpowering down is for chumps. :-)17:49
jcastrowhat should I have for lunch17:49
jcastroI'll let the channel decide for me!17:50
snap-lcrow17:50
snap-l;)17:50
rick_h__ouch17:50
wolfgerLOL17:50
jcastroboooo17:50
snap-ljcastro: What are you in the mood for, and what time limits?17:50
jcastroanything17:51
jcastroI like about an hour tops17:51
jcastrocarry outish17:51
wolfgerwhere are you located?17:51
snap-lRed Coat doesn't do carryo out, do they?17:51
rick_h__the deli brings sandwhiches to work so just got one of those17:51
jcastrowolfger: Royal oak17:51
wolfgerBah. I don't know the area. Lemme google if my suggestion exists there17:52
snap-ljcastro: I'd personally do Pei Wei17:52
jcastrooooh17:52
jcastroit is right next door17:52
snap-lwolfger: Think Woodward Ave.17:52
jcastroand I can walk17:52
jcastroI will do that17:52
rick_h__really? i've seen a few of those but seemed like a bad idea17:52
snap-lPei Wei is awesome17:52
snap-lthink PFChangs without the Chang Sauce and the 40 minute wair17:52
nixternalcan you guys wait 4.5 hours? I will be there, I am hungry!17:52
wolfgerLOL! I went to their website (Kalamata) and they have a "Locations" (notice the "s") link, but their only location (no "s") is in Troy17:53
rick_h__future proof!17:53
wolfgerPei Wei ftw17:54
wolfgerPF Changs food without PF Changs price17:54
snap-lor PF Changs wait17:54
snap-lit's pretty damn quick17:54
snap-lCan do dinner in under 20 minutes if you time it right17:54
wolfgerIf you're ever in Troy (say, for Penguicon) remember to try Kalamata17:55
wolfgerI recommend the gyro "Detroit style"17:55
wolfgerand greek fries17:55
snap-lWill have to try that17:55
wolfgeror spinach pie17:55
nixternalwolfger: pf changs has the awesome lunch menu thing though that is super cheap. what is weird is you guys say you have a wait at pf changes, here there is never a wait17:55
snap-lI'm always in the mood for greek food17:55
snap-lnixternal: Lunch yes, Dinner it's nigh impossible17:56
nixternaldinner here you can walk right in, even the one at woodfield mall is never packed. i don't think we have ever had to wait17:56
wolfgernixternal: Here there is almost always a line out the door at dinnertime. Not sure about lunch17:56
nixternalwow, just find it weird that it isn't like that here at all17:56
snap-lnixternal: Could be declining over there as well17:57
nixternalyou guys do know though that pf changes puts all of their recipes online so you can make it at home? they have open source recipes17:57
wolfgersweet17:58
snap-lI did not know that.17:58
nixternalmy mom has been making some of them, liek the singapore street noodles....num num17:58
wolfgerbut does that include how to make the sauces?17:58
nixternalwolfger: yes17:58
wolfgertruly awesome17:58
snap-lThey have some, but not seeing them all17:58
nixternalmy mom could work for pf changs, she makes the sauces to the t17:58
nixternalsnap-l: they don't have them all on there anymore?17:59
snap-lI'm looking under Chef's Corner17:59
snap-lsoemwhere else I should be looking?17:59
nixternalyeah, i don't know where to look, i just remember my mom telling me about that last year17:59
snap-lThere's a forum that has some of them18:00
snap-lmaybe they rotate them18:00
nixternali can tell you though, the ones my mom has done, like the singapore street noodles, the lettuce wraps, and a couple of others, have been dead on18:01
snap-llettuce wraps are dead easy. :)18:01
nixternali think i could live off of lettuce wraps18:01
snap-land yes, they're awesome18:02
nixternalwell the chicken and the sauce18:02
wolfgerlettuce wraps and sake...18:02
nixternalnow i am wanting some damn sushi18:03
wolfgerew18:03
nixternali am not a big fan of pf changes. there are just to many awesome chinese, japanese, and thai places here18:03
snap-lnixternal: That may be the other reason that PF Changs isn't packed.;)18:03
nixternalmore than likely18:03
wolfgernixternal: if you ever get a chance, go to a Thai restaurant called Cabages & Condoms18:04
nixternalthough if you ever been to the one in vegas, you can never get in there, you need to make a reservation like the day before18:04
nixternalwtf is that place at wolfger18:04
jrwrenpfchange.. gross ;)18:04
wolfgerWell, it's a chain. The one I went to was in Kumamoto, Japan18:04
wolfgernot sure where else you might find one18:04
wolfgerBut the sign was in English18:05
nixternalI think I will wait to go back to Japan for a bit now :p  though I could always head up to vancouver for the 2nd best sushi in the world18:05
nixternalif it is a chain, they only show one location on their website18:06
wolfgerHmm. Like Kalamata. :-)18:06
wolfgerI could be wrong, but the menu certainly made it sound like it was a chain.18:07
_stink__Kalamata++ for sure18:11
jrwrenwhat is Red Coat?18:18
_stink__local tavern-type place in Royal Oak.18:19
_stink__some kind of fancy burgers, fish and chips, etc.18:19
jrwrensounds like a RedHook we have here in AA18:19
jrwrenerr... no that is the brewery... wtf is it on State Stree?18:20
jrwrenRedHawk.18:20
_stink__jrwren: heh, was just there on Saturday.18:20
_stink__got the Cuban Hero.18:20
wolfgerRed*18:20
jrwrencool.18:20
jrwren_stink__: couldn't make it on sunday?18:21
_stink__jrwren: yeah, was in AA meeting family on Sat.  Sunday was reserved for other crap, like fixing drywall and other fun things. :/18:21
_stink__we took our kids to Hash Bash.  unwittingly.18:21
jrwrenlol18:22
jrwrenwas that on saturday? wow. its much lower key these days.18:22
_stink__jrwren: 40th anniverary, apparently.18:22
_stink__more people than we expected18:22
binbrainjrwren: RE: red coat, best hamburger joint around, haven't found anything close competition wise, even in NYC, great beer selection to18:26
snap-lhttp://www.gibraltartrade.com/blessingofbikes.php18:27
brouschshipit is dead. now i have to beg my free cds off of greg-g18:36
jjessenow we all have to beg greg-g18:36
jrwrenbinbrain: WOW!  blimpie burger in AA?18:36
brouschblimpie ftw18:37
jrwrenwhat kind of burger?  giant pattie "gormet" like redrobin being the cheapest kind?18:37
jrwrenor tiny multi pattie slop burger like blimpie ?18:38
binbrainjrwren: haven't had blimpie but would love to find out, but I'll have to rely on your judgment call if you ever get a chance to compare with red coat18:38
brouschmy wife begged me to bring a blimpie burger home for her sunday, but i dared not venture to campus during hash bash18:38
jrwrenI finally had a 5 guys... mmm...18:38
_stink__jrwren: more like the giant pattie kind at Red Coat.18:38
jrwrenbrousch: oh man, we walk to blimpie occasionally from work (where you were) you could have done it.18:38
brouschsottinis was closed18:39
brousch20lbs of my gut is 10 year old sottini subs18:39
binbrainnot gimmicky like RR, it can be as messy as you order it, my fav is with burned onions, smoked gouda, cooked med rare18:41
binbrainplus they have my favorite beer of all time, Skull Splitter, http://tinyurl.com/693k5l218:43
brouschthat's it. we're going on a family trip to AA this summer. gotta visit some old friends and stomping grounds (blimpie, museum of natural history)18:43
jjessei ate at a place called "The Burger Joint" or BGR in Alexandria VA, best burger i've had in a long time18:52
wolfgerMan, we missed our chance... We should have had a Bug Jam Hash Bash joint venture. :-D18:53
wolfgerBug Bash Jam Hash18:54
brouschsmoke the bugs out18:55
wolfgerbrousch: did you just say "get high and Unity will look alright"? ;-)18:56
snap-lbah19:03
rick_h__jcastro: this is scary though http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/04/hard-lesson-learned-hard-way-about-ssds.html19:12
jcastrorick_h__: I was one of the ones who told him to go intel19:13
jcastrothough it's nice he found a linux friendly recovery place19:13
rick_h__yea, very cool19:13
rick_h__but yea, that's why this intel not being the best sucks19:13
rick_h__it was nice to know exactly what to get, who to trust, etc19:14
rick_h__when you starting opening up to all those vendors it's hard to tell what's going to last19:14
nixternal12:38:31 [    jrwren] I finally had a 5 guys... mmm...    -- dude, keep your nasty fetishes to yourself from now on!19:31
nixternalwe have something better than 5 guys, it is called...ummm...ahhh, hrmmm. damn, i can't remember19:32
nixternalit is like 5 guys, but actually better19:32
snap-ltwo girls?19:33
nixternalmeatheads is the name19:33
nixternalthey are similar in price, maybe a touch cheaper19:34
wolfgersnap-l: two girls is good19:36
snap-lLooks like Shipit is defunct19:39
snap-l(getting your own personal CD without a loco contact)19:39
snap-lI think it's about time19:39
brouschtwo girls one burger?19:50
jrwreni don't like sottinis19:52
brouschyou suck19:52
brouschflickr is much nicer than i remember it being. easy to make groups, share, etc. i remember it being very clumsy before19:59
jrwrenrun-one looks cool. i didn't know about it.20:07
jrwrenrun-this-one I don't think I'd use.20:07
snap-lbrousch: http://www.amazon.com/Panorama-Modest-Mussorgsky/dp/B00004W3IV/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top20:44
snap-lThat's the album that I have of Modest Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition20:44
brouschhah, a name i have only heard in a monty python song20:45
brouschdecomposing composers20:45
brouschi think my son will love this daniel bautista album20:46
snap-lYeah, it's pretty cool20:46
brouschany music i can get him to like dilutes the number of baby einstein songs on his ipod20:46
snap-lI didn't want to play anything too obvious off of that album. :)20:46
snap-land I think he did an amazing job of translating the orchestral piece into guitar20:47
snap-lhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qZcM4lLnOY20:49
jrwrenbaby einstein? seriously?20:49
snap-ljrwren: I made the mistake of listening to that shit20:49
snap-l(baby einstein)20:49
jrwrenwhy?20:49
brouschthe music without singing isn't too bad20:49
snap-lfor my niece to find a song that she liked20:49
jrwrenIIRC it has been scientifically proven to make kids stupider.20:49
brouschjrwren: that's the videos20:49
snap-lit's essentially all synthesized classical done poorly.20:50
brouschwhich are utterly and completely stupid20:50
snap-ljrwren: Totally agree20:50
jrwrenhttp://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1650352,00.html20:50
snap-ljrwren: I remember reading about that20:51
brouschthe videos are just slideshows of random crap like stuffed animals20:51
snap-lThe song was poulette20:51
snap-lbrousch: Not random... they're designed to make the kids want whatever toy they see20:51
brouschsnap-l: have you done a drummer-centric version of omc?20:51
snap-lbrousch: Ummm... pretty much every show. ;)20:51
brouscha half hour of drum solos20:52
Milyardohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIDHYqE0Jg420:52
snap-lbrousch: I think people would want me dead.20:52
brouschwith 20 minutes of your commentary about each one afterwards20:53
snap-lMilyardo: I love the top comment on that video: "This is the music that Chuck Norris uses to make toast"20:53
snap-lbrousch: I would want me dead after that20:54
snap-lsurprisingly enough, I can find guitar stuff all day20:54
snap-land keyboard stuff20:54
snap-lbut few drum solos online20:54
snap-l(note: CC-licensed)20:54
Milyardosnap-l: It's probably true20:54
snap-lbrousch: just for you: http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/23353720:56
snap-lThis is why there's no drum-centric show20:56
brouschut oh20:56
DBOadmissions of a unity developer: when debugging compiz I talk to myself because it's that boring.20:58
DBOand I'm that crazy20:58
windows_snap-l: any idea what the MUG topic is this month?21:00
brouschsnap-l: i want you dead now21:00
snap-lwindows_: Byobu21:02
snap-lA screen replacement with lots of features21:02
snap-lwindows_: Also a command of the month (I _think_ it's going to be "Expect")21:03
snap-land a little presentation by the ESD on the benefits of membership21:03
windows_cool21:03
snap-lalso, the usual fun-times banter that comes with any MUG meeting21:03
windows_how did the last meeting go?21:04
snap-lPretty good. Some schoo was up there talking about podcasting21:08
snap-ls/schoo/schmoo/21:08
windows_;)21:08
jrwrenwindows_: ???21:12
jrwrenwho is windows_ ?21:13
jrwrendave?21:13
jrwrenoh, Jason.21:13
snap-lhttp://danmeth.com/post/4365873423/sandworms21:21
jrwrenya'll ever see this in your apache access logs? /w00tw00t.at.ISC.SANS.DFind: or /w00tw00t.at.blackhats.romanian.anti-sec: ?21:28
jrwrenhttp://tinyurl.com/3cumuzf21:45
jrwren:)21:45
jrwrenzomg, plone framework team recruiting22:05
snap-lman, we get a lot of door-to-door salesfolks in this neighborhood22:10
snap-lsomeone trying to sell me uverse22:10
snap-lI asked her if she could give me 5Mbps upload. :)22:12
rick_h__heh, if you get that let me know22:13
rick_h__but do <3 my uverse22:13
snap-lrick_h__: Considering that the max is 3Mbps, not happening. :)22:13
snap-lor at least AT&T's max is 3Mbps22:14
snap-lBut I love the sales ploy.22:14
snap-l"Have you been out to enjoy this lovely weather?"22:14
rick_h__??22:14
snap-l"I motioned her to cut to the chase"22:15
rick_h__that's dsl22:15
rick_h__uverse starts at 8, and goes up to 1822:15
snap-lrick_h__: Try an upload test22:15
rick_h__oh, upload yea,...1.5 :(22:15
snap-lI meant upload, not download22:15
snap-lYeah, they're all about the download22:16
snap-lAlso, they apparently put in data caps.22:18
rick_h__yea, they're big, but there are caps22:18
snap-land my phone bill is pretty consistent.22:19
snap-lI should put up a sign above my doorbell "For sarcastic commentary about your product, press here"22:36

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