[00:06] <jcastro> hey krondor
[00:06] <jcastro> I am stuck rotating clockwise, I think I must have jarred something loose
[01:15] <greg-g> w00t, just finished install mediawiki! :)
[01:16] <greg-g> wasn't that bad, really, only like 10 minutes, after the hours of trying to get Natty running in virtualbox ;)
[01:37] <brousch> hours?
[01:42] <greg-g> brousch: well, mostly just first downloading the 64bit version of natty, remembering that virtualbox can only do 32bit guests so downloading that version, that took over an hour and a half in and of itself ;)
[01:42] <jjesse> virtual box can do 64-bit vms
[01:42] <jjesse> if you have virtualziation enabled
[01:47] <greg-g> oh well
[01:59] <snap-l> and you need to be runningg a 64bit host
[02:06] <greg-g> yeah, I am on a 64bit host
[02:09] <nixternal> http://main.diabetes.org/site/TR/TourdeCure/ChicagoNorthernILArea?px=5915330&pg=personal&fr_id=7587   -- come on geeks, donate to the fight! don't let broke cyclists show up the geeks :p
[02:09] <nixternal> frack, wrong channel
[02:09] <nixternal> ctrl+p
[02:09] <nixternal> keep forgetting i put this channel prior to chicago lug and ubuntu chicago
[02:16] <snap-l> Pthhpt
[02:16] <snap-l> AS it should be. ;)
[02:16] <greg-g> huh, "bitch" gave $25
[02:20] <nixternal> haha, my buddy jess
[02:21] <nixternal> though, it should say i have raised $100, but it only says $75 right now :/  kubuntu donated $25
[02:21] <nixternal> now it says $100
[02:22] <nixternal> rock on, frackin' all stars. i am going to show the team captain up
[02:22] <greg-g> hah
[02:48] <krondor> JCastro: my part should come in tomorrow, let me know if you find the problem
[05:13] <greg-g> guess who has two thumbs and couldn't sleep so he got up to do work?
[05:13] <greg-g> thus guy
[05:13] <greg-g> heh, "this"
[05:20] <Blazeix> woo, 12:20 party!
[05:21] <greg-g> :)
[05:23] <Blazeix> greg-g: geez, you missed it.
[05:23] <Blazeix> it was a glorious minute.
[05:30] <greg-g> Blazeix: next time ;)
[05:31] <Blazeix> Yeah, it was a somewhat disappointing turnout :/
[06:10] <nixternal> much better working this late. i work from 11pm until 4am, wake up at 10, work until noon or 1pm, then go out and ride until 6pm, shower, and start all over. far more productive that way
[13:36] <snap-l> !openmetalcast Episode 18 will rock you. No, really, that's the title of the episode. Seriously, check it out. http://ur1.ca/3s22y
[13:36] <rick_h__> woooo
[13:36] <snap-l> :)
[13:37] <brousch> all queen?
[13:38] <snap-l> If they decided to release the entire back-catalog as  CC-licensed stuff, I'd consider it.
[13:48] <rick_h__> kind of cool: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/reviews/2011/04/toshibas-mobile-lcd-monitor-a-second-screen-for-road-warriors.ars?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+Featured+Content%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
[13:48] <rick_h__> bah, sry for crap url
[14:13] <brousch> rick_h__: did you see the bookie logo i put up yesterday in #bookie?
[14:15] <snap-l> Good morning, gentle folk
[14:15] <jjesse> hello
[14:15] <snap-l> Something is not happy in chrome-town
[14:16] <brousch> on your unity system?
[14:16] <snap-l> On my normal system
[14:17] <snap-l> All of the extensions are crashing
[14:24] <snap-l> Damnit, I was afraid of that
[14:24] <snap-l> reboot fixed it
[14:25] <snap-l> which means there's something else afoot to make the machine unstable
[14:26] <rick_h__> ruh roh
[14:30] <brousch> blame windows
[14:30] <jjesse> chrome was frozen for me as well this morning, though on windows 7 64-bit
[14:32] <snap-l> Well, it wasn't even loading the extensions
[15:33] <Blazeix> rick_h__: did you know that you're in google's autocomplete suggestions now?
[15:33] <Blazeix> if you type 'mitechie' it suggests 'mitechie github'
[15:35] <brousch> daaaaaaaamn, you hit the big time!
[15:37] <snap-l> you sure it's not just your autocomplete?
[15:38] <Blazeix> pretty sure, I logged out and it still worked
[15:38] <Blazeix> I also was over a VPN, so I don't think it's location-based
[15:39] <brousch> works for me
[15:39] <snap-l> That's cool!
[15:41] <snap-l> There's still some carnigie mellon dude taking over the first result for Craig Maloney
[15:41] <jjesse> i get mitecie and mitechie github in my suggestions
[15:42] <greg-g> I get mitechie vim :)
[15:42] <greg-g> (logged in)
[15:42] <greg-g> (must have been a past search, I get the mitechie github when using another browser)
[15:46] <wolfger> I type "mitechie<space>" and it suggests "mitechie com" and "mitechie github"
[15:47] <jjesse> thats what i get
[15:49] <wolfger> when I type "snap-l" it suggests "snap-lock systems" and a bunch of other rubbish.
[15:50] <wolfger> So I guess we know which half of the lococast is famous, and which is the hanger-on. :-)
[15:50] <greg-g> yeah, and good luck with "greg"
[15:51] <snap-l> wolfger: I'm fully aware that I'll just be the pool-boy when rick_h__ gets his island nation from all of the lococast fallout. ;)
[15:53] <brousch> the poolboy gets all the chicks
[15:53] <greg-g> snap-l wearing a speedo..... *shudders*
[15:54] <snap-l> greg-g: It's as bad as it seems. ;)
[15:56] <snap-l> I wear a speedo like a whale wears an innertube
[15:57] <Blazeix> next topic
[15:58] <greg-g> lol
[15:59] <wolfger> well at least it's not "like a narwhal wears an innertube"
[16:00]  * wolfger pauses while the meaning sinks in and the mental images form...
[16:05] <brousch> perhaps the most disturbing thing is that he's actually tried wearing one
[16:23] <brousch> ug, i always forget how long it takes to type up a real blog post. twitter and buzz have spoiled me
[16:26] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[16:33] <snap-l> brousch: Rest assuered, I've not tried to wear one
[16:33] <jcastro> https://twitter.com/#!/1990sLinuxUser
[16:33] <snap-l> I've seen greater men try and fail miserably.
[16:33] <jcastro> OMG!
[16:35] <snap-l> jcastro: Too bad 1990sLinuxUser isn't on identi.ca
[16:35] <snap-l> or would it go unnoticed? ;)
[16:40] <jrwren> i love 1990s linux user.
[16:40] <jcastro> no, that guy would be like "what's wrong with .plan files?"
[16:40] <jrwren> i've resisted following becuase i see so many retweets.
[16:51] <brousch> ouch http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/01/ubuntu1004_beta_review/
[16:52] <brousch> heh, the title is the wrong version
[16:52] <brousch> it is 11.04 bashfest
[16:53] <rick_h__> Blazeix: cool thanks for the heads up. Glad I went with the non-real name now. Only took years to get it built up
[16:54] <rick_h__> snap-l: hah, on the lococast island. It's like a startup without a business plan
[16:54] <rick_h__> "someone buy me out pls!"
[16:56] <wolfger> "Eventually, come Ubuntu 13.04 or so, Unity will seem like a brilliant move, but the transition is going to be bumpy."
[16:57] <snap-l> And someone just realized what LTS really means.
[16:57] <wolfger> So does that mean KDE4 will seem like a brilliant move one of these days?
[16:57] <jcastro> so really
[16:57] <jcastro> the guy complains about not having panel applets
[16:57] <wolfger> Maybe I should try KDE4 again...
[16:57] <jcastro> and configuring the launcher
[16:57] <rick_h__> this one is my fav jcastro https://twitter.com/#!/1990sLinuxUser/status/54895458660777985
[16:57] <jcastro> surely, worst, ever.
[16:58] <snap-l> jcastro: Get ready for the backlash
[16:58] <snap-l> it's 1990 all over again. ;)
[16:58] <rick_h__> it's KDE4 all over
[16:58] <snap-l> "We demands our perfection out of the box"
[16:59] <wolfger> snap-l: Well, yeah. Shouldn't users expect/demand that?
[16:59] <snap-l> I need to be able to put wanda up in my panel, or I'm going to scream bloody murder from my parents basement
[16:59] <rick_h__> ok, this is april 1st?
[16:59] <snap-l> rick_h__: ?
[17:00] <wolfger> Linux will never conquer the desktop as long as distros release with the expectation that users will help them iron out the bugs. Which is what KDE4 (and now Unity) did.
[17:00] <snap-l> wolfger: IT'S A DEVELOPER RELEASE!
[17:01] <jjesse> wolfger kde4 is much better
[17:01] <wolfger> LOL
[17:01] <jjesse> you shhould give it a try
[17:01] <wolfger> It's a developer release that distros are putting out as a finished product.
[17:01] <snap-l> Seriously, if you decide to put Unity on your non-developer's machine, you deserve all of the pushback you'll receive
[17:01] <wolfger> Or are you arguing that all the bugs will be gone by the end of the month?
[17:02] <wolfger> 23 days
[17:02] <wolfger> In 23 days, it's no longer "a developer's release"
[17:02] <snap-l> wolfger: I'm arguing that if you're not willing to pony up and help fix or send in bug reports, you are welcome to get shit for it
[17:02] <snap-l> wolfger: Bull
[17:02] <wolfger> It's the default interface intended for Aunt Marge at that point
[17:03] <snap-l> Anything that isn't a LTS is a developers release.
[17:03] <wolfger> snap-l: bull
[17:03] <rick_h__> yea, that's a little bull there
[17:03] <wolfger> LTS is intended for businesses
[17:03] <snap-l> I need a referee over here
[17:03] <jjesse> or not developers
[17:03] <rick_h__> I'm sorry, but if you go to the homepage and it says "download this now" up front...it's not a dev release
[17:03] <rick_h__> it's a release release
[17:03] <jjesse> didn't ted gould on twitter argue this
[17:04] <jjesse> that LTS should be for users and the rolling release be for devs?
[17:04] <wolfger> would be nice to have a rolling release...
[17:04] <rick_h__> lol
[17:04] <rick_h__> let's not go there
[17:04] <jjesse> sorry 6 month release
[17:04] <rick_h__> or you'll get accused of being an arch hippie
[17:04] <rick_h__> :P brousch
[17:05] <rick_h__> or sorry, was nixternal_
[17:05] <wolfger> I vote we move to only releasing LTS every 18 months, and the ambitious can get 18 months of alpha/beta
[17:05] <wolfger> effectively rolling release at that point
[17:05] <snap-l> regardless (man, do I know how to open a can of worms)
[17:05] <snap-l> I think Unity will be baked by the end of this month
[17:06] <brousch> rick_h__: actually it was me and nixternal_ agreeing ;)
[17:06] <snap-l> and if not, I hope Canonical has the fortitude to pull back
[17:06] <wolfger> snap-l: I think you are dreaming on both counts
[17:06] <snap-l> and I really, really hope that people give it a chance
[17:06] <rick_h__> :) baked with a soft chewy not quite done center
[17:07] <snap-l> wolfger: Maybe I am
[17:07] <jjesse> wasn't there a recent post on planet.ubuntu.com on how they should be focusing on gnome classic or whatever it is called or a lot of people will move elsewhere when they can't get that to work cause they don't like unity?
[17:07] <wolfger> Canonical is really showing its bull-headedness this past year
[17:08] <brousch> i was surprised with how usable unity is right now
[17:08] <brousch> it has some annoyances, but it is usable
[17:08] <brousch> i think it will be better than gnome
[17:08] <wolfger> brousch: aside from frequent crashes, I actually don't mind it much
[17:08] <rick_h__> that's the thing to recall, it's not like gnome is treating it any better
[17:09] <brousch> wolfger: i don't think there were any crashes on sunday. it was weird
[17:09] <snap-l> I had a little oddness on my netbook, but that's about it
[17:09] <snap-l> and in a VM, it's a little wonky
[17:09] <wolfger> I haven't used Unity in about 2 weeks. I got sick of it and moved back to classic
[17:09] <snap-l> UNity2d is not quite as baked as Unity3D, imho
[17:09] <snap-l> wolfger: Don't be *that guy*
[17:10] <snap-l> Press onward!
[17:10] <wolfger> snap-l: Like I care? :-)
[17:10] <snap-l> There's a lot of development still going on
[17:10] <brousch> i predict wolfger will move to stodgy old opensuse
[17:10] <wolfger> seriously, after the release it's not like I'll use Gnome *or* Unity
[17:10] <snap-l> Well, I loved that too
[17:10] <brousch> become crusty
[17:10] <snap-l> Ryan from Ars was distro-hopping trying to get GNOME3 to work
[17:11] <wolfger> brousch: I've tried to like OpenSuse, but I always fail.
[17:11] <snap-l> wolfger: Yeah, you won't have as many clocks to run.;)
[17:11] <snap-l> wolfger: only ONE clock, and it's in the corner
[17:11] <brousch> lunch time. i predict i will come back to 300 new messages in this channel
[17:11] <wolfger> again, the obsession with clocks. Is that all you Gnome people ever think about?
[17:13] <snap-l> only when we want to really piss off the KDE folks. ;)
[17:15] <snap-l> Imperial March just came on the stero.
[17:15] <wolfger> Which radio station is that? :-)
[17:15] <jrwren> if you want to stick with LTS, stick with LTS.
[17:15] <jrwren> I love the 6mo cycle of ubuntu.
[17:16] <snap-l> wolfger: Random album shuffle w/ Banshee
[17:16] <wolfger> jrwren: why do you love it?
[17:16] <wolfger> snap-l: that's disappointing. I was hoping there was something worth tuning in to in my car. :-p
[17:17] <jcastro> oh man I missed the whole argument
[17:17] <wolfger> slacker
[17:18] <rick_h__> I love it as well, but I'm still on lucid with my 3 machines
[17:18] <nixternal_> rick_h__: arch ftl recently. the high school kids aren't doing that great of a job right now maintaining it
[17:18] <jcastro> nixternal: hahahaha
[17:18] <jrwren> i love it because I get new bits ever 6mo that follows the gtk & gnome release cycle and mono too.
[17:18] <jcastro> ok what did I miss, who hated what?
[17:19] <jrwren> jcastro: ignore them, a couple trouble makers talking nonsense
[17:19] <jcastro> I am sad, rick_h__ didn't flame me much on sunday. :(
[17:19] <wolfger> jcastro:http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[17:19] <jrwren> i'm on all natty now.
[17:19] <jrwren> in fact, i'm going to recommend moving my work server.
[17:19] <rick_h__> jcastro: hey, I think I've been very good, did the fair interview, being kind of niec :)
[17:20] <jrwren> although it might be LTS
[17:20] <nixternal> quick poll: am I the only one in here that kind of digs unity?
[17:20] <snap-l> nixternal: I like Unity
[17:20] <jrwren> jcastro: we didn't smoke either.
[17:20] <rick_h__> nixternal: yes, you're a very lonely man
[17:20] <jrwren> i love unity.
[17:20] <snap-l> I'd like some more customization, but overall I'm happy with it.
[17:20] <jrwren> i showed coworkers. i really talked it up.
[17:20] <jrwren> i do find myself saying "just like mac" a lot
[17:20] <wolfger> nixternal: I would like it except for the way it stole the menu bar off the windows and moved it to the top of the screen. That's really sucky.
[17:21] <jrwren> lack of discoverability of system prefs is the biggest deal IMO
[17:21] <jcastro> jrwren: it's in the power menu
[17:21] <jcastro> for some reason
[17:21] <rick_h__> well I think discoverability is a big thing
[17:21] <jcastro> imo it would be in the me menu, the one that says Jay Wren
[17:21] <rick_h__> a lot of the answers out of Sunday were "there's a key binding for that"
[17:21] <wolfger> jrwren: I just chalked lack of system prefs up to "it's gnome" :-p
[17:21] <jrwren> jcastro: that makes a lot of sense.
[17:22] <jcastro> rick_h__: oh so I asked around, there will indeed be videos and intro docs and stuff, I just didn't know about  that
[17:22] <rick_h__> jcastro: cool, good idea
[17:23] <jcastro> I find it funny that people whine more about prefs than you know .... getting work done
[17:23] <jcastro> "If I can't change the background of the panel then FUCK THIS."
[17:24] <jrwren> its more KB/Mouse prefs. its hard to get work done when all the prefs you alawys use aren't there.
[17:24] <snap-l> jcastro: I have to say, the "power menu" is both a blessing and a curse
[17:24] <jrwren> first thing I did was build monodevelop because that is hwo I "get work done" :)
[17:24] <rick_h__> ok jcastro, that's a bit unfair considering the whole "let's make it pretty!" vs you know...getting work done :)
[17:24] <snap-l> it's part gnome-do, and part obfuscation
[17:25] <jcastro> rick_h__: let's be pretty is a side effect
[17:26] <snap-l> Honestly, even if Unity had a "preferences" widget, that would be a huge improvement
[17:27] <jcastro> we could have made a prefs widget on sunday with a few hackers
[17:27] <jcastro> rick_h__: bookie looks sweet btw, surprised no one had ever used that name before
[17:28] <snap-l> http://www.downloadatoz.com/resources/201103/24/imgs/mac-os-x-capture_500x313.jpg
[17:28] <snap-l> jcastro: How would you change the defaults like that?
[17:28] <rick_h__> jcastro: cool, yea I did a search for it and didn't run into anything
[17:28] <snap-l> I'm thinking just something like System Settings / keep in launcher
[17:28] <jcastro> snap-l: we do it with ccsm, one just needs to make a nice UI on top of it
[17:29] <jcastro> oh do you mean for the launcher itself or for the entire system?
[17:29] <jrwren> keep in launcher is alreayd there? or are we talking different things.
[17:29] <snap-l> I mean for the launcher itself
[17:29] <snap-l> screenshot time
[17:31] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/p/l19/
[17:32] <jrwren> snap-l: EXACTLY!
[17:32] <snap-l> You've promoted the Ubuntu store, and U1; why not promote the settings?
[17:33] <wolfger> jcastro: If "let's be pretty" was really a side effect of "get work done" as you say, then I think Awesome WM would be the prettiest desktop in the world.
[17:33] <jcastro> right
[17:33] <jcastro> of course
[17:33] <wolfger> but clearly, that's an incorrect correlation
[17:33] <jcastro> tiling window managers for people
[17:34] <wolfger> contradiction in terms :-)
[17:34] <rick_h__> lol
[17:34] <snap-l> hey, hey (*snap* *snap*), I'm making an important point here
[17:34] <wolfger> also, not enough clocks. (or so snap-l says)
[17:35] <wolfger> Oh, right. Snap-l did make an important point that was lost in the banter...
[17:36] <snap-l> jcastro: http://ubuntuone.com/p/l19/
[17:37] <jcastro> snap-l: top right corner "system settings"
[17:37] <snap-l> no
[17:37] <snap-l> That's buried
[17:38] <jcastro> ok so add it there?
[17:38] <rick_h__> it should be an icon on the desktop in the middle of the wallpaper
[17:38] <rick_h__> like coming through the light beams!
[17:38] <snap-l> why would you put that under a power symbol?
[17:38] <jcastro> dunno, I think it should be in the me menu
[17:38] <jcastro> but still, it's in a top level menu
[17:38] <jcastro> the launcher is for apps
[17:39] <snap-l> And system settings is an app
[17:39] <jcastro> you really think that putting a shortcut to configure your computer is something that belongs on the launcher?
[17:39] <snap-l> You could make the same case for "Find files"
[17:39] <snap-l> Yes
[17:39] <jcastro> you know, for when you want to change your hostname!
[17:39] <snap-l> try i
[17:39] <snap-l> t
[17:40] <snap-l> I bet more people will stop bitching
[17:40] <snap-l> Even Apple puts it on the dock
[17:40] <snap-l> and on the home screen of iOS
[17:41] <snap-l> It's not discoverable until you want to power down the machine
[17:41] <snap-l> or lock the screen
[17:42] <snap-l> What's the first thing you do with a new computer? Open up Word? Start up a browser?
[17:42] <snap-l> Maybe, but I'll put money that in the top three things you do with ANY computer is personalize it
[17:44] <snap-l> "Hey, how do I change the screensaver?" "Hey, how do I change the background?" "How do I change the theme?"
[17:44] <rick_h__> first thing I do: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/276/
[17:45] <snap-l> rick_h__: Personalize.
[17:45] <jcastro> 12:42 <snap-l> What's the first thing you do with a new computer? Open up Word? Start up a browser?
[17:45] <jcastro> ^^^ Yes, I fire up the browser
[17:45] <jcastro> sure those things are nice, I just think you're overinflating it's importance
[17:46] <snap-l> jcastro: But I'll bet that the third thing you do is try to customize it
[17:46] <snap-l> jcastro: I'm not
[17:46] <snap-l> Mark my words, you'll get flamed for leaving it in the power menu
[17:46] <jcastro> right
[17:46] <jcastro> I know that
[17:46] <snap-l> and you'll have to tell EVERYONE where the settings are
[17:46] <snap-l> and it's a _simple fix_
[17:47] <jcastro> if you want
[17:47] <jcastro> we can put unity on jill's computer
[17:47] <jcastro> and then we'll blind time it
[17:47] <jcastro> and see when she asks how she can customize the launcher
[17:47] <jcastro> I'll get the spare bedroom ready
[17:47] <snap-l> If you want, we can do the same with JoDee
[17:47] <wolfger> jcastro: Seriously? It's under the power menu??!? I only go there when I'm shutting down.
[17:47] <snap-l> wolfger: ++
[17:47] <jcastro> wolfger: yeah, I don't like it there
[17:48] <wolfger> That is, if I don't simply type "sudo reboot" in my open term window, which I do most of the time
[17:48] <wolfger> because it's quicker
[17:48] <jcastro> right
[17:48] <jcastro> that's what I do
[17:49] <jcastro> or, just close the lid
[17:49] <wolfger> powering down is for chumps. :-)
[17:49] <jcastro> what should I have for lunch
[17:50] <jcastro> I'll let the channel decide for me!
[17:50] <snap-l> crow
[17:50] <snap-l> ;)
[17:50] <rick_h__> ouch
[17:50] <wolfger> LOL
[17:50] <jcastro> boooo
[17:50] <snap-l> jcastro: What are you in the mood for, and what time limits?
[17:51] <jcastro> anything
[17:51] <jcastro> I like about an hour tops
[17:51] <jcastro> carry outish
[17:51] <wolfger> where are you located?
[17:51] <snap-l> Red Coat doesn't do carryo out, do they?
[17:51] <rick_h__> the deli brings sandwhiches to work so just got one of those
[17:51] <jcastro> wolfger: Royal oak
[17:52] <wolfger> Bah. I don't know the area. Lemme google if my suggestion exists there
[17:52] <snap-l> jcastro: I'd personally do Pei Wei
[17:52] <jcastro> oooh
[17:52] <jcastro> it is right next door
[17:52] <snap-l> wolfger: Think Woodward Ave.
[17:52] <jcastro> and I can walk
[17:52] <jcastro> I will do that
[17:52] <rick_h__> really? i've seen a few of those but seemed like a bad idea
[17:52] <snap-l> Pei Wei is awesome
[17:52] <snap-l> think PFChangs without the Chang Sauce and the 40 minute wair
[17:52] <nixternal> can you guys wait 4.5 hours? I will be there, I am hungry!
[17:53] <wolfger> LOL! I went to their website (Kalamata) and they have a "Locations" (notice the "s") link, but their only location (no "s") is in Troy
[17:53] <rick_h__> future proof!
[17:54] <wolfger> Pei Wei ftw
[17:54] <wolfger> PF Changs food without PF Changs price
[17:54] <snap-l> or PF Changs wait
[17:54] <snap-l> it's pretty damn quick
[17:54] <snap-l> Can do dinner in under 20 minutes if you time it right
[17:55] <wolfger> If you're ever in Troy (say, for Penguicon) remember to try Kalamata
[17:55] <wolfger> I recommend the gyro "Detroit style"
[17:55] <wolfger> and greek fries
[17:55] <snap-l> Will have to try that
[17:55] <wolfger> or spinach pie
[17:55] <nixternal> wolfger: pf changs has the awesome lunch menu thing though that is super cheap. what is weird is you guys say you have a wait at pf changes, here there is never a wait
[17:55] <snap-l> I'm always in the mood for greek food
[17:56] <snap-l> nixternal: Lunch yes, Dinner it's nigh impossible
[17:56] <nixternal> dinner here you can walk right in, even the one at woodfield mall is never packed. i don't think we have ever had to wait
[17:56] <wolfger> nixternal: Here there is almost always a line out the door at dinnertime. Not sure about lunch
[17:56] <nixternal> wow, just find it weird that it isn't like that here at all
[17:57] <snap-l> nixternal: Could be declining over there as well
[17:57] <nixternal> you guys do know though that pf changes puts all of their recipes online so you can make it at home? they have open source recipes
[17:58] <wolfger> sweet
[17:58] <snap-l> I did not know that.
[17:58] <nixternal> my mom has been making some of them, liek the singapore street noodles....num num
[17:58] <wolfger> but does that include how to make the sauces?
[17:58] <nixternal> wolfger: yes
[17:58] <wolfger> truly awesome
[17:58] <snap-l> They have some, but not seeing them all
[17:58] <nixternal> my mom could work for pf changs, she makes the sauces to the t
[17:59] <nixternal> snap-l: they don't have them all on there anymore?
[17:59] <snap-l> I'm looking under Chef's Corner
[17:59] <snap-l> soemwhere else I should be looking?
[17:59] <nixternal> yeah, i don't know where to look, i just remember my mom telling me about that last year
[18:00] <snap-l> There's a forum that has some of them
[18:00] <snap-l> maybe they rotate them
[18:01] <nixternal> i can tell you though, the ones my mom has done, like the singapore street noodles, the lettuce wraps, and a couple of others, have been dead on
[18:01] <snap-l> lettuce wraps are dead easy. :)
[18:01] <nixternal> i think i could live off of lettuce wraps
[18:02] <snap-l> and yes, they're awesome
[18:02] <nixternal> well the chicken and the sauce
[18:02] <wolfger> lettuce wraps and sake...
[18:03] <nixternal> now i am wanting some damn sushi
[18:03] <wolfger> ew
[18:03] <nixternal> i am not a big fan of pf changes. there are just to many awesome chinese, japanese, and thai places here
[18:03] <snap-l> nixternal: That may be the other reason that PF Changs isn't packed.;)
[18:03] <nixternal> more than likely
[18:04] <wolfger> nixternal: if you ever get a chance, go to a Thai restaurant called Cabages & Condoms
[18:04] <nixternal> though if you ever been to the one in vegas, you can never get in there, you need to make a reservation like the day before
[18:04] <nixternal> wtf is that place at wolfger
[18:04] <jrwren> pfchange.. gross ;)
[18:04] <wolfger> Well, it's a chain. The one I went to was in Kumamoto, Japan
[18:04] <wolfger> not sure where else you might find one
[18:05] <wolfger> But the sign was in English
[18:05] <nixternal> I think I will wait to go back to Japan for a bit now :p  though I could always head up to vancouver for the 2nd best sushi in the world
[18:06] <nixternal> if it is a chain, they only show one location on their website
[18:06] <wolfger> Hmm. Like Kalamata. :-)
[18:07] <wolfger> I could be wrong, but the menu certainly made it sound like it was a chain.
[18:11] <_stink__> Kalamata++ for sure
[18:18] <jrwren> what is Red Coat?
[18:19] <_stink__> local tavern-type place in Royal Oak.
[18:19] <_stink__> some kind of fancy burgers, fish and chips, etc.
[18:19] <jrwren> sounds like a RedHook we have here in AA
[18:20] <jrwren> err... no that is the brewery... wtf is it on State Stree?
[18:20] <jrwren> RedHawk.
[18:20] <_stink__> jrwren: heh, was just there on Saturday.
[18:20] <_stink__> got the Cuban Hero.
[18:20] <wolfger> Red*
[18:20] <jrwren> cool.
[18:21] <jrwren> _stink__: couldn't make it on sunday?
[18:21] <_stink__> jrwren: yeah, was in AA meeting family on Sat.  Sunday was reserved for other crap, like fixing drywall and other fun things. :/
[18:21] <_stink__> we took our kids to Hash Bash.  unwittingly.
[18:22] <jrwren> lol
[18:22] <jrwren> was that on saturday? wow. its much lower key these days.
[18:22] <_stink__> jrwren: 40th anniverary, apparently.
[18:22] <_stink__> more people than we expected
[18:26] <binbrain> jrwren: RE: red coat, best hamburger joint around, haven't found anything close competition wise, even in NYC, great beer selection to
[18:27] <snap-l> http://www.gibraltartrade.com/blessingofbikes.php
[18:36] <brousch> shipit is dead. now i have to beg my free cds off of greg-g
[18:36] <jjesse> now we all have to beg greg-g
[18:36] <jrwren> binbrain: WOW!  blimpie burger in AA?
[18:37] <brousch> blimpie ftw
[18:37] <jrwren> what kind of burger?  giant pattie "gormet" like redrobin being the cheapest kind?
[18:38] <jrwren> or tiny multi pattie slop burger like blimpie ?
[18:38] <binbrain> jrwren: haven't had blimpie but would love to find out, but I'll have to rely on your judgment call if you ever get a chance to compare with red coat
[18:38] <brousch> my wife begged me to bring a blimpie burger home for her sunday, but i dared not venture to campus during hash bash
[18:38] <jrwren> I finally had a 5 guys... mmm...
[18:38] <_stink__> jrwren: more like the giant pattie kind at Red Coat.
[18:38] <jrwren> brousch: oh man, we walk to blimpie occasionally from work (where you were) you could have done it.
[18:39] <brousch> sottinis was closed
[18:39] <brousch> 20lbs of my gut is 10 year old sottini subs
[18:41] <binbrain> not gimmicky like RR, it can be as messy as you order it, my fav is with burned onions, smoked gouda, cooked med rare
[18:43] <binbrain> plus they have my favorite beer of all time, Skull Splitter, http://tinyurl.com/693k5l2
[18:43] <brousch> that's it. we're going on a family trip to AA this summer. gotta visit some old friends and stomping grounds (blimpie, museum of natural history)
[18:52] <jjesse> i ate at a place called "The Burger Joint" or BGR in Alexandria VA, best burger i've had in a long time
[18:53] <wolfger> Man, we missed our chance... We should have had a Bug Jam Hash Bash joint venture. :-D
[18:54] <wolfger> Bug Bash Jam Hash
[18:55] <brousch> smoke the bugs out
[18:56] <wolfger> brousch: did you just say "get high and Unity will look alright"? ;-)
[19:03] <snap-l> bah
[19:12] <rick_h__> jcastro: this is scary though http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/04/hard-lesson-learned-hard-way-about-ssds.html
[19:13] <jcastro> rick_h__: I was one of the ones who told him to go intel
[19:13] <jcastro> though it's nice he found a linux friendly recovery place
[19:13] <rick_h__> yea, very cool
[19:13] <rick_h__> but yea, that's why this intel not being the best sucks
[19:14] <rick_h__> it was nice to know exactly what to get, who to trust, etc
[19:14] <rick_h__> when you starting opening up to all those vendors it's hard to tell what's going to last
[19:31] <nixternal> 12:38:31 [    jrwren] I finally had a 5 guys... mmm...    -- dude, keep your nasty fetishes to yourself from now on!
[19:32] <nixternal> we have something better than 5 guys, it is called...ummm...ahhh, hrmmm. damn, i can't remember
[19:32] <nixternal> it is like 5 guys, but actually better
[19:33] <snap-l> two girls?
[19:33] <nixternal> meatheads is the name
[19:34] <nixternal> they are similar in price, maybe a touch cheaper
[19:36] <wolfger> snap-l: two girls is good
[19:39] <snap-l> Looks like Shipit is defunct
[19:39] <snap-l> (getting your own personal CD without a loco contact)
[19:39] <snap-l> I think it's about time
[19:50] <brousch> two girls one burger?
[19:52] <jrwren> i don't like sottinis
[19:52] <brousch> you suck
[19:59] <brousch> flickr is much nicer than i remember it being. easy to make groups, share, etc. i remember it being very clumsy before
[20:07] <jrwren> run-one looks cool. i didn't know about it.
[20:07] <jrwren> run-this-one I don't think I'd use.
[20:44] <snap-l> brousch: http://www.amazon.com/Panorama-Modest-Mussorgsky/dp/B00004W3IV/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
[20:44] <snap-l> That's the album that I have of Modest Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition
[20:45] <brousch> hah, a name i have only heard in a monty python song
[20:45] <brousch> decomposing composers
[20:46] <brousch> i think my son will love this daniel bautista album
[20:46] <snap-l> Yeah, it's pretty cool
[20:46] <brousch> any music i can get him to like dilutes the number of baby einstein songs on his ipod
[20:46] <snap-l> I didn't want to play anything too obvious off of that album. :)
[20:47] <snap-l> and I think he did an amazing job of translating the orchestral piece into guitar
[20:49] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qZcM4lLnOY
[20:49] <jrwren> baby einstein? seriously?
[20:49] <snap-l> jrwren: I made the mistake of listening to that shit
[20:49] <snap-l> (baby einstein)
[20:49] <jrwren> why?
[20:49] <brousch> the music without singing isn't too bad
[20:49] <snap-l> for my niece to find a song that she liked
[20:49] <jrwren> IIRC it has been scientifically proven to make kids stupider.
[20:49] <brousch> jrwren: that's the videos
[20:50] <snap-l> it's essentially all synthesized classical done poorly.
[20:50] <brousch> which are utterly and completely stupid
[20:50] <snap-l> jrwren: Totally agree
[20:50] <jrwren> http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1650352,00.html
[20:51] <snap-l> jrwren: I remember reading about that
[20:51] <brousch> the videos are just slideshows of random crap like stuffed animals
[20:51] <snap-l> The song was poulette
[20:51] <snap-l> brousch: Not random... they're designed to make the kids want whatever toy they see
[20:51] <brousch> snap-l: have you done a drummer-centric version of omc?
[20:51] <snap-l> brousch: Ummm... pretty much every show. ;)
[20:52] <brousch> a half hour of drum solos
[20:52] <Milyardo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIDHYqE0Jg4
[20:52] <snap-l> brousch: I think people would want me dead.
[20:53] <brousch> with 20 minutes of your commentary about each one afterwards
[20:53] <snap-l> Milyardo: I love the top comment on that video: "This is the music that Chuck Norris uses to make toast"
[20:54] <snap-l> brousch: I would want me dead after that
[20:54] <snap-l> surprisingly enough, I can find guitar stuff all day
[20:54] <snap-l> and keyboard stuff
[20:54] <snap-l> but few drum solos online
[20:54] <snap-l> (note: CC-licensed)
[20:54] <Milyardo> snap-l: It's probably true
[20:56] <snap-l> brousch: just for you: http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/233537
[20:56] <snap-l> This is why there's no drum-centric show
[20:56] <brousch> ut oh
[20:58] <DBO> admissions of a unity developer: when debugging compiz I talk to myself because it's that boring.
[20:58] <DBO> and I'm that crazy
[21:00] <windows_> snap-l: any idea what the MUG topic is this month?
[21:00] <brousch> snap-l: i want you dead now
[21:02] <snap-l> windows_: Byobu
[21:02] <snap-l> A screen replacement with lots of features
[21:03] <snap-l> windows_: Also a command of the month (I _think_ it's going to be "Expect")
[21:03] <snap-l> and a little presentation by the ESD on the benefits of membership
[21:03] <windows_> cool
[21:03] <snap-l> also, the usual fun-times banter that comes with any MUG meeting
[21:04] <windows_> how did the last meeting go?
[21:08] <snap-l> Pretty good. Some schoo was up there talking about podcasting
[21:08] <snap-l> s/schoo/schmoo/
[21:08] <windows_> ;)
[21:12] <jrwren> windows_: ???
[21:13] <jrwren> who is windows_ ?
[21:13] <jrwren> dave?
[21:13] <jrwren> oh, Jason.
[21:21] <snap-l> http://danmeth.com/post/4365873423/sandworms
[21:28] <jrwren> ya'll ever see this in your apache access logs? /w00tw00t.at.ISC.SANS.DFind: or /w00tw00t.at.blackhats.romanian.anti-sec: ?
[21:45] <jrwren> http://tinyurl.com/3cumuzf
[21:45] <jrwren> :)
[22:05] <jrwren> zomg, plone framework team recruiting
[22:10] <snap-l> man, we get a lot of door-to-door salesfolks in this neighborhood
[22:10] <snap-l> someone trying to sell me uverse
[22:12] <snap-l> I asked her if she could give me 5Mbps upload. :)
[22:13] <rick_h__> heh, if you get that let me know
[22:13] <rick_h__> but do <3 my uverse
[22:13] <snap-l> rick_h__: Considering that the max is 3Mbps, not happening. :)
[22:14] <snap-l> or at least AT&T's max is 3Mbps
[22:14] <snap-l> But I love the sales ploy.
[22:14] <snap-l> "Have you been out to enjoy this lovely weather?"
[22:14] <rick_h__> ??
[22:15] <snap-l> "I motioned her to cut to the chase"
[22:15] <rick_h__> that's dsl
[22:15] <rick_h__> uverse starts at 8, and goes up to 18
[22:15] <snap-l> rick_h__: Try an upload test
[22:15] <rick_h__> oh, upload yea,...1.5 :(
[22:15] <snap-l> I meant upload, not download
[22:16] <snap-l> Yeah, they're all about the download
[22:18] <snap-l> Also, they apparently put in data caps.
[22:18] <rick_h__> yea, they're big, but there are caps
[22:19] <snap-l> and my phone bill is pretty consistent.
[22:36] <snap-l> I should put up a sign above my doorbell "For sarcastic commentary about your product, press here"