[04:49] <fisch246> alright so i was thinking we just have the release party to be just about getting to know each other
[04:50] <tonyyarusso> Sounds good - that's what h00k's Superior one was - just hanging out and having fun over eats.
[04:50] <Takyoji1> Are all the installfests on ubuntu-minnesota.org or?
[04:51] <Takyoji1> I only noticed one
[04:51] <Takyoji1> And none of them are on the Google Calendar
[04:51] <fisch246> Takyoji1: well there's only 1 cause i was the only one motivated enough to post one on there :/
[04:51] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji1: um, yeah - we've kind of sucked about putting things up places.
[04:51] <tonyyarusso> but yeah, there's only one up right now.
[04:51]  * tonyyarusso wonders if the web site is properly producing an ics
[04:51] <Takyoji1> of which isn't Penguins Unbound, or?
[04:52] <fisch246> i didn't even know there was a google calender >.>
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> PU should be on there, but nobody's bothered to look up the details and enter it yet :)
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> fisch246: we used that before the new web site, but the new web site should be able to make it's own calendar
[04:52] <fisch246> ah
[04:52] <Takyoji1> Because I was just looking today, especially considering about my potential location which now isn't possible. xP
[04:53] <fisch246> well anyway... i was hoping to have at least the metro area motivated and doing something by ubuntu 12.04
[04:54] <Takyoji1> I guess I'll see if the Faribault community center would permit hosting an installfest, only issue is internet, unless if all the packages could be available on a cache server
[04:54] <Takyoji1> I suppose I'll try it tomorrow
[04:55] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji1: You can use this URL in Google Calendar or other apps:  http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/event/ical/all/all
[04:55] <tonyyarusso> I'm not sure what the /all/all part means right now.
[04:55] <tonyyarusso> fisch246: your event appears to lack a end time also
[04:55] <fisch246> yea i know
[04:55] <fisch246> doesn't have one... kind of the point...
[04:55] <tonyyarusso> looks to work without the all/all
[04:55] <fisch246> however you have to RSVP to show up...
[04:56] <Takyoji1> So yea, I went to a local computer repair store today, checked if they'd be would be able to assist any clients of mine that I'd defer to them (such as an option of basic support, or even simple hardware) and they seemed very uninterested and "there's not enough demand"
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> fisch246: it makes it look funny when people are importing it to scheduling apps.
[04:56] <fisch246> ah
[04:56] <fisch246> mmk
[04:56] <fisch246> i'll make the end time be 8 then
[04:57] <Takyoji1> Anyway; I suppose I'll start working on mnopensource.org finally, which I intend on being a directory of retailers, tech support, individuals, and so on that would be comfortable with having Linux user customers.
[04:58] <Takyoji1> I'm curious if anyone has input on such
[04:58] <fisch246> there :P
[04:58] <fisch246> o?
[04:58] <fisch246> keep me updated on that
[04:58] <fisch246> i might mention the site in my blog
[04:59] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji1: sounds useful to me
[04:59] <Takyoji1> I'll have it as something that all of us can contribute to
[04:59] <Takyoji1> So like, it wouldn't be rubber stamp of "Walmart in general can help you with Linux-supported hardware!" when it would only be specific ones. xP
[04:59] <tonyyarusso> I can put my note about who to ask for at Qwest on there.
[05:00] <fisch246> i'm tempted to grab people apart of our LoCo team and start driving around, and pitched "System 76" to all the stores
[05:00] <fisch246> s/pitched/start pitching
[05:02] <Takyoji1> What categories should I have? Printers, networking (such as wireless cards and Ethernet cards), disability support (such as helping those with getting accessibility tools working, such as text-to-speech readers, or whatever type of tools there are), peripherals, technical support, desktop/laptop retail, etc
[05:02] <Takyoji1> And then for listings I'd have types such as: retailer, support, freelancer, individual/advocate
[05:02]  * Takyoji1 shrugs
[05:03] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji1: Companies and people would be far better to list than hardware or software.
[05:03] <tonyyarusso> There are already dozens of hardware support databases.  Don't attempt to duplicate their work - you will fail.  Only list things that are specific to Minnesota.
[05:03] <Takyoji1> I think tomorrow I'll go to the local Cartridge World, and see if they'd be interested or so
[05:03] <Takyoji1> Well, I'm not listing hardware specifically
[05:03] <Takyoji1> Just components
[05:04] <Takyoji1> Like if someone wants a printer, they can find a store that knows which products of theirs work, and so on
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> Okay, that's fine, yeah
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> If it's user-edited though, be watching for the idiot that tries to say "Store X sells the HP Model 235250235, which works great"
[05:05] <Takyoji1> But yes, I'm also going to start seriously doing freelance work in the area, such as with support and so on
[05:05] <tonyyarusso> You can list my company, which ONLY supports our product running on Linux :P
[05:05] <tonyyarusso> (by my I mean where I work, not own)
[05:05] <Takyoji1> Because in all honesty, it would be on a basis of: local companies/individuals, and each would be tagged with their specialty
[05:06] <Takyoji1> So a person can say "webcams" (or perhaps not as specific), and find all areas nearby that provide webcams that are known and supported
[05:06] <Takyoji1> But not listing the brands/models
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> It would be nifty to have companies specializing in Linux/FLOSS based solutions, like Nagios and CodeWeavers.
[05:08] <Takyoji1> Just what would it be listed as then? Software, or?
[05:08] <fisch246> brb someone posted a fix to a bug, that i now need to see if it works
[05:08] <tonyyarusso> Dunno - could have a plain companies category
[05:13] <Takyoji1> And yay for postal code to GPS databases
[05:13] <Takyoji1> (for approximation, yes)
[05:14] <Takyoji1> otherwise how shall "verification" be done?
[05:14] <Takyoji1> Like, what type of trust system would be used, or something, for adding new companies/stores/people to the directory.
[05:16] <Takyoji1> just have myself as the only one able to add new entries, or?
[05:16] <tonyyarusso> Um, why would you be converting the postal code to GPS coordinates just to check if it's in Minnesota?  Postal codes don't cross state lines.
[05:17] <Takyoji1> No, I'm implying so a person can just type their postal code, to see what companies/people are closest.
[05:19] <Takyoji1> for a search
[06:00] <Takyoji1> fisch246, you're hosting an installfest, yus, or?
[06:00] <fisch246> a release party
[06:01] <fisch246> the deadline to RSVP is april 16th
[06:01] <Takyoji1> Solely a release party, or a release party that's also an installfest, or?
[06:01] <fisch246> nah just a release party
[06:01] <fisch246> since no one will be installing at the party...
[06:01] <Takyoji1> What was the Facebook event URI?
[06:02] <fisch246> unless people want an after party install fest at my house...
[06:02] <Takyoji1> Yay, nerdy socialization. :P
[06:02] <fisch246> i could put on music, and we all can use my wifi to install 11.04
[06:02] <fisch246> however i don't own this house... my parents do
[06:02] <fisch246> but my dad is for sure coming
[06:03] <fisch246> he's the most nerdy guy i know
[06:03] <fisch246> he'll fit right in XD
[06:03] <Takyoji1> Too bad in the next version, they're not allowing a choice of a standard GNOME desktop environment, rather, strictly Unity I believe.
[06:03] <Takyoji1> You're in the metro area, correct?
[06:04] <fisch246> yup
[06:04] <fisch246> and actually you'll be able to get gnome post-release
[06:04] <fisch246> in the PPA
[06:04] <Takyoji1> I'm in Faribault, but of course willing to drive
[06:05] <fisch246> the party is in hopkins
[06:05] <fisch246> if you want to be official... you'll have to give me your name and email
[06:05] <fisch246> i'll be posting stuff like my number for directions if need be
[06:05] <fisch246> but it's really easy to find
[06:06] <Takyoji1> But yes, you had a Facebook event posted, correct?
[06:06] <Takyoji1> (or at least of what I recall you referencing previously)
[06:06] <fisch246> o right
[06:06] <fisch246> let me pull it up
[06:06] <fisch246> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=149419005115119
[06:07] <Takyoji1> and no Diaspora event? D:
[06:07] <fisch246> >.<
[06:07] <fisch246> i forgot to update the event page...
[06:07] <Takyoji1> Kidding of course. :P
[06:08] <fisch246> well the email has the most up to date info
[06:08] <fisch246> i'll be sending out emails to everyone who RSVP'd
[06:08] <fisch246> after april 16th
[06:09] <Takyoji1> Directly via email or Facebook, correct?
[06:09] <fisch246> email
[06:09] <fisch246> but i need to have your name and email so i can put you on the guest list
[06:09] <fisch246> and keep you up to date
[06:10] <fisch246> but hold on
[06:10] <fisch246> i'm gonna boot into 10.10
[06:10] <fisch246> my home folder is encrypted and i need to get at a file
[06:10] <Takyoji1> or you could manually mount it. :P
[06:10] <fisch246> it'll take too long...
[06:26] <fisch246> alright... who was i just talking to?
[06:27] <Takyoji1> Your imagination? :P
[06:27] <fisch246> i assume you're caleb?
[06:27] <Takyoji1> Yes
[06:27] <fisch246> ah ok
[06:27] <fisch246> good
[06:28] <fisch246> mind emailing me your info?
[06:28] <Takyoji1> I shall
[06:28] <fisch246> thanks :)
[06:39] <Takyoji1> Just email and name, or?
[06:40] <fisch246> yup
[06:40] <Takyoji1> nothing more?
[06:40] <fisch246> first and last name please
[06:40] <fisch246> you'll need money for the party
[06:40] <fisch246> for food
[06:41] <fisch246> i'll be getting an average meal amount for everyone soon
[06:41] <fisch246> so they know how much to bring
[06:41] <fisch246> but it's cheap
[06:41] <Takyoji1> otherwise what is the location?
[06:42] <fisch246> the address is on the facebook page
[06:42] <Takyoji1> restaurant, bar, house, or?
[06:42] <fisch246> restaurant
[06:42] <fisch246> called "Boston Garden"
[06:43] <fisch246> all the info is on the facebook page
[06:43] <fisch246> i updated it before coming back on IRC
[06:44] <Takyoji1> ahh
[06:45] <Takyoji1> Yay Lawrence Lessig
[06:45] <fisch246> ?
[06:45] <fisch246> i know who he is
[06:45] <fisch246> but what of him?
[06:45] <Takyoji1> Just curiously reading your profile
[06:45] <fisch246> besides him being my hero :3
[06:45] <fisch246> ah ok haha
[06:45] <fisch246> go ahead and add me if you wish
[06:46] <Takyoji1> Aww, no nerdcore bands for music? :P
[06:46] <fisch246> the only person attending who hasn't is tonyyarusso >.<
[06:46]  * fisch246 flips off tonyyarusso
[06:46] <fisch246> i kid
[06:46] <fisch246> he's a nice guy :)
[06:47] <Takyoji1> Yay Fight Club, Princess Bride, Toy Story, Shaun of the Dead, Requiem for a Dream, Shawshank Redemption, and The Matrix
[06:48] <fisch246> yp
[06:48] <fisch246> yup*
[06:48] <fisch246> favorite movie of all time is Fight Club
[06:48] <fisch246> so how old are you?
[06:48] <Takyoji1> 18
[06:48] <fisch246> ah ok
[06:48] <fisch246> i think you'll be the youngest one in attendance haha
[06:49] <Takyoji1> Finally finished high school last year (thankfully), been doing occasional freelance web development work, etc
[06:49] <fisch246> cool
[06:49] <Takyoji1> I programs them thar innernets usin the coompoter language HTML! :D
[06:49] <fisch246> heh
[06:49] <Takyoji1> No; I do actual software development, specifically PHP
[06:50] <fisch246> cool
[06:50] <fisch246> i'm currently trying to teach myself python
[06:50] <Takyoji1> People who call HTML a programming language deserve to be drowned. xP
[06:50] <Takyoji1> I've had interest in Python, just haven't had a project yet
[06:50] <fisch246> funny thing is... i don't have time to teach myself python because of school >.<
[06:50] <Takyoji1> Specifically, something along the lines of a GUI application or similar
[06:51] <fisch246> HTML is a reference language... not a programming language...
[06:51] <fisch246> i don't see how someone could mistake that
[06:51] <fisch246> but people do :/
[06:51] <Takyoji1> Vast majority of what I know in regards of technology is all self-taught.
[06:51] <fisch246> same
[06:52] <fisch246> i'm essentially just going to school to be recognized for a degree
[06:52] <Takyoji1> When people say "I program websites in HTML", that usually well-establishes their technology comprehension. :P
[06:52] <fisch246> however most of my learning will be done by books
[06:52] <fisch246> i
[06:52] <Takyoji1> Pretty much the same case for me. xP
[06:52] <fisch246> i'm working my way up to SICP
[06:52] <Takyoji1> I even have a book or two that's practically a college textbook. xP
[06:53] <fisch246> well i'll be back...
[06:53] <fisch246> gonna purge windows :3
[06:53] <fisch246> my computer is far too slow to keep it around...
[06:53] <fisch246> only use is netlfix >.<
[06:53] <fisch246> and i have several other means available for that
[06:54] <fisch246> it can't even play oblivion... so i'm done with i
[06:54] <fisch246> it*
[06:54] <Takyoji1> alright
[06:54] <fisch246> the minimum a comp should be able to do is play Morrowind...
[06:54] <fisch246> if it can do that... i'm happy for life : D
[06:55] <fisch246> not to mention most of the other games i can't use cause it's 64 bit >.<
[06:55] <fisch246> if anything i'll replace it with 32
[06:55] <Takyoji1> I have a Nintendo Wii connected to my desktop by a TV tuner card. :P
[06:55] <fisch246> i understand why someone would want 64... but i don't need it with this peace of crap...
[06:55] <fisch246> cool
[06:55] <fisch246> i have a desktop comp i'll be power housing stuff with :3
[06:56] <fisch246> anyway... time to free up 80GB :D
[06:56] <fisch246> o crap... might want to back stuff up first >.<
[06:57] <Takyoji1> It's too bad my SimCity and The Sims can't run under WINE
[06:58] <fisch246> yea and metacity is JUST buggy enough to piss me off
[06:59] <fisch246> ha nothing to back up...
[06:59] <fisch246> shows how much i've used windows XD
[07:03] <Takyoji1> I don't even have Windows on this desktop (my primary workstation). :P
[21:22] <Takyoji> I'm still a bit leery of having average users use Unity..
[21:24] <pjman> I haven't given Unity a fair shake yet to have an opinion
[21:25] <pjman> I upgraded from 10.10 to beta last night. I made the mistake of keeping PPA's installed (including Unity2d) which caused main Unity not to work at all. At least I think that was the cause.
[21:25] <pjman> Troubleshooting tonight
[22:00] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: You've used it yourself though?
[22:00] <Takyoji> Yes, I use it completely on my laptop, which I usually beta test next releases of Ubuntu
[22:01] <Takyoji> I just think "OMG thar's no taskbar on the bottom!11!1!" is going to scare/discomfort convertees from Windows.
[22:01] <tonyyarusso> It's been suggested that somebody should give a presentation about Unity at the St. Paul release party, but I haven't even looked at it yet :S
[22:03] <Takyoji> "haven't looked at it yet" meaning you haven't seen THE completed presentation, or?
[22:05] <tonyyarusso> I haven't seen Unity.
[22:30] <Takyoji> It took me like a couple days to realize that you move the cursor full to the top-left to bring up the Unity menu, rather than having to manually click everytime
[22:30] <Takyoji> fully*
[22:31] <Takyoji> and then a couple days to figure out how to switch to another window of the same application
[22:34] <Takyoji> Unity is perfect for a casual use laptop or netbook, but I don't really take it seriously for a work-intensive desktop environment use
[22:35] <Takyoji> and to switch workspaces, you have to: move cursor to absolute top-left, go down and click the workspaces icon, then click the workspace you want to switch to
[22:35] <Takyoji> Not: click the workspace you want in the bottom left anymore.
[22:36] <Takyoji> and of course no "Places" menu
[22:37] <Takyoji> and everything in: Applications, System > Preferences, System > Administration is all in just one pile of "Applications"
[22:37] <Takyoji> whereas it's more intended to type in the name of the application, to choose it
[22:38] <Takyoji> And I don't think that'll really help old folks with slow typing rates
[22:39] <ColinHarrington> Takyoji: I haven't used it but have watched many examples of unity in action.  I'll try it when it comes out but I'm glad that old-school gnome is still available
[22:39] <ColinHarrington> I agree that it looks like Unity would be perfect for the small laptop, but not so much for the desktop or anything with some screen real-estate
[22:39] <Takyoji> ColinHarrington: They're completely removing the choice of "old-school GNOME" in 11.08 though (in a vanilla install).
[22:40] <ColinHarrington> I saw :-/
[22:40] <ColinHarrington> Bummer,
[22:40] <ColinHarrington> I think its going to be the right direction over time, but it has to mature to be as confiugurable and flexible as our gnome desktops are now
[22:41] <Takyoji> I believe the Unity desktop environment still uses gnome-panel and so on.
[22:41] <Takyoji> So I think you could just add a panel to the bottom, and the taskbar
[22:41] <ColinHarrington> I don't use a panel at the bottom
[22:41] <ColinHarrington> but I'm not a fan of the unity dock yet..
[22:42] <ColinHarrington> If its anything like the notify-osd thing, it won't be very configurable
[22:42] <ColinHarrington> and I think thats the direction that they are going.
[22:43] <ColinHarrington> Right now on my screen I have 7 windows visible on this desktop
[22:43] <ColinHarrington> I'm constantly going back and forth between windows using references, chat, im, IRC.  It will be interesting to see what unity would do to that
[22:43] <Takyoji> I don't think Unity even supports a multi-monitor setup at all yet either
[22:44] <ColinHarrington> Seriously?
[22:44] <Takyoji> Yes, last I tried with an additional monitor.
[22:45] <Takyoji> Probably might only work with each screen being a separate X screen entirely, but who knows, perhaps it still might not work on anything other than X screen 0. xP
[22:57] <ColinHarrington> If it doesn't do multi-monitor I doubt they could ship it
[22:58] <Takyoji> or they'll just expect normal users to use the GNOME desktop fallback option. :P